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Baby Spice shouldn't have the belt. As for the rest, I suppose VP has taken the "fun" out of it all, but I would rather a possible asset get the BP than whoever wins the random pile on.
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I'd like Thor on the approved list for pretty much the same reasons as Baby, Jason piling on him after the mountainous game is suspect to me.-
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We did a couple of moves on Triple D just to knock his health down a little in case he wasn't picked to be the winner. I thought that was the whole point of all this right now, get it done as quick as possible.
However, it's real close to the end and there are a lot of moves to go around so I think we need to work out who we do want to win. I want Kise out ASAP but then I think I want to support Triple D to win it all. I don't get all the hate around him so some explanation would be nice. Erratus Apathos hasn't made much of an impression on me so far so I'm not excited about him winning. Other than those two, I like the other potential champs.
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Sorry for the lack of posting. Sotty has been pretty seriously sick and it has effected both members of the hydra. Things should get better over the next week, if they don't we will replace out.
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Hoppster is scummy. His attacks on Chesskid just look opportunistic and his play beyond that looks IIOAy.
AV's reaction to “coasting gate” with VP was really overally paranoid and scummy.
Jason is coasting way more than I'm comfortable with to call him town.
Thor's town read on Baby Spice is just bizarre. I want that explained. That just reeks of him attaching himself to a player for town cred. Compared to the pressure she is receiving, he is really over defending her.
Bristep's RVS vote was ridiculous and I see no content past that. I wouldn't mind pressuring him.
Biggest scum read as of right now is Thor.
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Thor now that you mention it, I do remember that particular post you made regarding Baby Spice. It if was noteworthy of explaining particularly well why you have a town read on Baby Spice, we wouldn't now be asking your for an explanation of your town read on her.
Seeing the explanation only bothers me more, because I see you latching onto a single action which looks pretty null to me and using it as an entire foundation for calling someone town, to the point where you are actively defending that player while seemingly discarding subsequent actions because you found Baby Spice town based on a single action.
I can recall approaching Haylen in particular the same way in a few games as scum.-
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Thor, the point is that just because Baby thinks you are a worthy end game player if you are town isn't a town tell on her behalf. The fact you are using this as a basis to defend her pretty heavily against AV is flawed this early in the game. Why are you so confident? Why not let Baby defend herself before you leap into the breach?
We think it is because you are buddying up to her and positioning yourself for “I told you so” town cred if we do ever lynch Baby. Simply because the defence is disproportional to the attacks on her. It doesn't make sense.-
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ISO is reading all the players post in isolation. You can do this by clicking a players name in the drop down bar at the bottom of this post.
And Jedi, I'm not sure how you expected people to react considering you made no mention of how far along you were or weren't in your read. We're not mind readers.
Also furc's guaranteed scum tell is BS and I'm not talking about Baby Spice.-
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If we're lynching/pressuring lurkers I'm more interested in a Bristep vote than any of the others. Although post 774 by Trendall was terribad and amounts to him having zero suspects as well as appeasing his wagoners by calling them town.
Still I think Thor is a better case.
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Scott: We're voting for Thor for his heavy Baby Spice defence. Unless you want to claim Thor does this in all his games, this isn't a playstyle thing. I believe it was IS that spoke about Thor's tendency to instigate. See the last few posts in our ISO for details.
Baby, what do you think about Thor?
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Thor if anyone is missing the point it is you. It is one thing to call someone town but to out right defend a case that was put up against them on day one no less doesn't add up. Why wouldn't you let Baby defend herself first before cutting down AV's case? Surely her reactions would enable you to strengthen your read of her no?-
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VP what's your Thor read then? I don't think we're uninvolved at all, not lately. We had a slow start for reasons that aren't game related. I get it will take awhile to wipe that away but we're working at it. If you think we're barking up the wrong tree with Thor then open up the discussion as to why at least.
Thor, when have we said you are terribad scum player? I don't like how you quickly twist to this strange selfmeta defense (this is the second time). I don't buy the fact that you don't need more of a read when the game has barely even started.-
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We are voting you.
We are pushing you.
We have listed you in our scum reads.
How can you not see that we find you SCUMMY?
Why are you deflecting with language crap? We find you scummy, we don't think you're a bad player in fact the reverse is true as I stated in one of my early posts. You are just playing scummy in this game and we think you are scum.-
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Jedi when I say we I mean "we as in Sottyrulez" We're a hydra, two players playing under one account, sorry for the confusion. I will try and talk in single person since we're not signing posts and are pretty much one mind in these games anyway. It's just a hydra habit I have gotten into.
Thor, I'm really lost at what you are getting at then. I have said that I think you're a good player who is just playing scummy. You are trying to force words into my mouth by saying I am suggesting you are a bad player as well. I will go back and re-read our exchange later on tonight after letting it settle a little, but right now I feel like you are just trying to spin me in a circle to confuse me, rather than taking the time to explain your choices better. I don't know why TownThor would ever want to do that.-
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I'm not even sure what the wagon on Scott was about. Was it lurking? I'd appreciate being pointed in the general direction of an explanation (ISO or post number works)
Trendall's worst post is still 774. He did give reads later but only after we pushed him and he didn't even vote at the time. It's like he doesn't believe his own scum hunting. I still prefer our Thor vote though, even more after his little melt down with IS. He really came out looking even worse after that exchange.
Snake has also jumped up in our reads. His ISO is extremely lacking in content. His Scott vote amounts to "pressure" and slight OMGUS. Then after that he just starts coasting. His read on Thor is pretty confusing. Stating he isn't a viable lynch despite him being the number two wagon is strange. He then waffles on Tendall before talking about switching his vote. I have no idea if he thinks he is scummy or what.-
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Bella, (AKA IzzyB) has a history of flaking out of games like this. I'm inclined to believe it is a null tell.
There is still something pinging me about Jason. Just his tone seems off, his posting did improve somewhat so he has been downgraded a little.
Snake is still ridiculous scummy and right now, is the only player I'd want to vote over Thor. No one else seems to have commented on him though which is pretty frustrating. His latest unvote is just more of the same content-less posting from that slot.
In fact, screw it.
Inverted atomic drop: Snake
I get deadline is coming but this guys needs serious pressure, if not an actual lynch. Case highlights:
Weak wagonjump
Crazy rolefishing
Question, question, question, question but no thought of his own until I ask.
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Snake, sarcasm? Really? I don't buy it and from the reactions of other people they didn't either. You were caught rolefishing. As for your "opinions", you didn't give any outside Thor not being scum, which came with no justification and even looked like you didn't want to lynch him because he is a good player. Your post was as waffley as they come, I still have no idea if you think Tendall is scum. That is the third time that I have made that statement and you haven't bothered to clarify your thinking.
So Tendall, is he scum? Answering yes or no would be a good place to start.
@Jedi: furc is talking about Snake voting for Scott in a OMGUS fashion:
”Erratus Apathos points on Mr Brosius make sense(Obv. the lame vote on me too), I like the idea of a pressure vote on Mr.Brosius currently”-
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Primate, is Snake a good wagon or irrelevant? You seem to make both statements in the above post.
We post everyday and will be here well in advance of any deadline situation, I see no problem highlighting a scummy player and pushing them. Restricting us like that is freaking ridiculous and I don't see the need. I take it Triple D, you think our case is crap? Right now I am much more convinced about Snakescum than I am about ThorScum or Tendrallscum. Why can't I follow it up?-
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It shines a light on a probable scum. That's the key. As far as day one cases go, I really think the Snake case is pretty damn good. I'm not going to sit back and let him coast out the rest of the day when we have time to case him down. Since we made the case there has been a couple of people who have agreed with us on his scumminess (Scott, Primate I think) but chose not to vote him because he wasn't a viable orapprovedwagon. We debated not putting our vote out, but we wanted to see people make hard commitments in his direction. We got some of that.
Before that, we brought Snake up a couple of times and everyone ignored us, the vote has at least drawn some attention in his direction. I'd say that's a win.-
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Standing dropkick: Snake
This guy is still scum.
I'm not sure what to make of Kise calling for a watcher/tracker claim right at the start of the day. His reaction and proceeding posts does look authentic and I personally canbuya Thor vig kill. Still it is all just speculation at this point. The town was pretty spilt on Thor, also Kise lurked a lot of day one, he would have also have been a likely vig target.
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We never said you claimed Triple D is stalling VP, that's our opinion. We just agree with your assessment RE: claiming because he can't be killed over night. At the very least he should name claim here, why hasn't he? The longer he goes without doing at least that, the scummier he looks. I don't know how you can defend Triple D here even if the Vezo investigation isn't as clean as I first thought. First townie reaction would be to claim in this situation and vote Vezo, neither happened.
As for unvoting, are you kidding? Triple D is squirming around like crazy here. We aren't unvoting him-
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ITT: Vezok doesn't know how to claim a result. With the information you had, you should have asked for a full name claim with the pertenent info, (Name, Height, Weight, Hometown.) and used that to check against the information you claimed to have gained.
I have no idea how Vezok leaps from Minneapolis to Davari, but I don't think he's scum because it would be an insanely stupid scum gambit to pull this early.
I still want DDD to name claim. I don't like the reaction to Vezok, and not name claiming now allows the pool of potential Minneapolis wrestlers to be narrowed down through night phases to make fake claiming more potent and less likely to backfire as the game goes on.
As far as full claim, that is unnecessary, we don't need to know anything else about DDD beyond his name claim. (I'm looking at you VP.)
If we get a name claim, I'm willing to pursue elsewhere for now.
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It pains me to say it, but I agree with Chess RE: The Triple D name claim. This post in particular. However, there is zero traction to a Triple D lynch today, or any real pressure his way. His refusal to name claim despite being UNK is suspect and we just don't like it.
Of the three current wagons I like IS the best. His hammer deflection post his just all kinds of scummy, pointing fingers at Chess while not taking any responsibility himself is probably the biggest scum tell out of the whole case.
Figure four leg lock: IS
IS, who is Triple D white knighting and why do you hate it so much?
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We liked Kise's initial reaction to being “targeted” and we agree with his Triple D suspicions. Leaning town right now.
I think we have been clear about Triple D. Probscum.
Initially I thought Nero was tunnelling on IS, but he is making some good points on him today. So probtown. Would be nice to get some reads from him outside his IS case though.
Gman is lurky and a little reactionary. I have played with him several times and he isn't as obv town that I would expect. Looking though his ISO I do see some pandering for towncred and Vas' case is semi decent.
Vas has done nothing but tunnel hard on Gman and I don't remember him saying much of anything else. This is what was initially putting me off the GMan case. I want to see more from Vas than this lock on he has. The GMan case does have legs however.
This sudden shift over to ES looks terrible, VP's vote in particular stood out to me. VP has hit all the hot wagons today apart from Triple D. I don't like that at all.-
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”So because I voted Internet stranger and Erratus you think that's scummy Sottyrulez? Especially after you call IS scummy?”
Try again, that was not what I said. You have been jumping from wagon to wagon to wagon. Care to actually explain your ES vote or you just want to deflect some more?
As for the GMan case, honestly we were ignoring Vas a little because he wasn't actually doing anything outside saying GMan is scum and not in a particularly compelling way. It wasn't until Snake flipped that we took the time to read both ISOs. Review showed us Vas is more likely town than GMan, but we're not excusing his activity.
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You voted Snake for no stated reason, same with ES, Jedi Knight and IS. This is not protown VP play I have come to know and love. In fact you voted for Snake while soft attacking us, which at the time struck me as strange. We were the main reason Snake was thrust into the light and kamikaze'd outta here. I can at least understand your Kise vote even if I don't agree, the other votes are very opportunistic and lack any reasoning. Why is this?
Regarding DDD, it's mostly the way he reacted to Vezo's claim feeling wrong... like... unnatural. I'm not sure how many times we can say this.
More recently your adamant defense in DDD has kept us interested in him... but come to think of it, whyareyou going out of your way to defend DDD. You seem more concerned with our vote on him than he does.
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You're assuming we'd know how DDD would react, but I know if I was in that situation as town, my first reaction to someone claiming I was a wrestler I wasn't would be like wtf, and I would find the claim suspicious for obvious reasons.
Maybe DDD would react differently, but basically what happened was that he sat back and provided as little information as possible until it became more apparent that Vezo's info was hometown and not wrestler name, and then all of the sudden, "oh that's what happened."
FTR, his presumption of Vezo town twangs all kinds of wrong.
How you get obv town from that, I have no fucking clue.
Also, we're not asking you to "make huge cases" on these players, but the fact you failed to explain any of your votes outside the Kise one, is suspect. No matter how you try to spin it.-
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VP, I currently have a town read on Vezo also based on reactions, like our Triple D read. He came to the thread and just info dumped with little real thought, I don't see scum gambiting in this fashion.
Nero I appreciate the SB and furc break down. Not agreeing with you though, Scott is a known lurker and furc is well... furc. What's your opinion of Vas v GMan?
KK, like Chess I want to lock Triple D in place with a name. His refusal to comply makes zero sense. The fact no one can come up with a compelling reason why he shouldn't just makes his reaction look worse and worse. His reaction + role cop result + UNK are all excellent reasons why he should name claim. But at this rate, it's feeling like we're beating a dead horse with all this. Triple D isn't going to claim his name and there isn't enough support for his lynch.
IS, I don't see Nero making excuses. You're stretching there. Your case on EA amounts to he is posting no content. What makes him worth a vote over Emp at this point?-
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IS,the fact that you turn to Erratus only after you start catching heat is extremely suspicious to me. People start to wagon you and then you throw out two names who are playing badly according to you. Statements like:
“Anyways, I went through and ISO'ed some people. Are you all trying to tell me that the play of Erratus and Empking is somehow better?”
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“So why are Erratus and EMpking getting passes and im getting the whipping stick?”
Don't strike me as genuine scum hunting attempts, more like you scrambling to point the horde in a direction that isn't you.
Do you think Nero is scum, if so why did you not push a case on him? I'm starting to think this act with Erratus is a really poor attempt at distancing.
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“hmm, is there a reason why YOU wont vote for Erratus Sotty? Whats stopping you?”
You're scummier, we have detailed why. This wagon on EA seems like a poor scramble organized by you that other players are jumping all over for whatever reason. EA didn't help himself with initial defense, but I'm not sold by this case at all. It's all too convenient.
I was under the impression you found Nero scummy but you said you don't. I will have to look back and see where I got that from. I felt that you were opting for the easier wagon when you plucked EA out of nowhere when you were sparring with Nero.
Triple D,it's the lack of reaction feels wrong, probably the best way to say it. The explanation and the logic you have given are satisfactory even if we don't agree. We still don't like the refusal to name claim, but the pressure's not there, and you're not going to change your so there's little point continuing to push it for now. You no sold everything then refused to name claim when there was no good reason not too, considering your situation. These little things add up.-
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First things first
Armbar: GMan
I'm seeing no scum hunting from you. You come back make a one liner post that is admonishing another player for playing the sheep. You have a vote on IS but have nothing to say about our discourse with him? The longer this day goes on with you trying to melt into the background the much more likely scum you become. Basically, I am very much in agreement with Vas 1479
IS,we weren't finding EA scummy until his reactionary defense to you and then it was a small tweak. We have bigger scum reads right now and plus, like I have said a few times, the formation of the wagon on EA looks horrible. I'm not touching that with a ten foot barge pole.
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RE: GMan. We have meta on him in a similar vein as we have on Jason. GMan came to these boards though us and we have played with him several times off site. He is normally way more proactive than this when he is town. I'm not even getting the genuine sense that he is lost or overwhelmed, he is just lurking and avoiding major issues in the hopes of laying low. It jumps him to the top of my list easily.
Fair enough VP, I just saw you picking at Vas a little when IS really only turned to EA on lurking to start with. Not commenting on the later gives me pause.-
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As for people saying we're jumping on wagons that are only gaining steam, it's BS. We have spoken out about the EA wagon today for one example. Right now I'd like to lynch either GMan or IS. I'm not seeing the furc case, nor the Jedi case. Jedi in particular looks to be trying and furc is just furc. I'm not going to apologise for voting our top suspects, but to say were hopping around like that is just false. If you have a problem with our reasoning then point it out.
Vas: We have had a weak scum read on VP and have ever since he came out strongly defending Triple D. I didn't agree with his Kise case, it feels like a reach.-
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