Square Enix IV (GAME OVER)

[Battousai]

Unless there are 3 janitors, I'm betting there is a role that blocks kill results.

I haven't finished reading yet, or started, so I'll get on that.

[Battousai]

bv, that will become clear when I claim my role. As for the other -- I might change my vote soon idk. The reaction was scummy (I thought) cuz Fate had just voted himself and Chrono was attacking someone else for thinking Fate claiming Xemnas was scummy. Not a natural reaction IMO. Fate's counter-point that at least Chrono posted during that time whereas others avoided the thread is totally valid, though I still think it's a weird place to go mentally after seeing Fate do something so weird.

Chrono-scum. I agree with this post, and the fact he turned up dead is of no surprise.

Vote: Chrono

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Vote Count:

vezokpiraka: 1

(Riceballtail)

BunnyLover: 1

(KDub)

Chronopie: 1

(Battousai)

Not Voting:

BunnyLover
bv310
Chronopie
Fate
Katsuki
Midnight's Sorrow
Nero Cain
PranaDevil
Reckamonic
Starbuck
vezokpiraka

Lynch:

8 votes.

Deadline:

February 17th - 2:00 AM EST

[Battousai]

Chrono-scum. I agree with this post, and the fact he turned up dead is of no surprise.

Being that we are yet to learn Iec's alignment, are likely to have more than a single scum team (as per Kise's previous Large SE games), and therefore know there's a chance of crosskill (I still say MoI is scum, and hope that itself was a scum kill, or at least a well placed vig). You're awfully sure that the only explanation is Iec is town and Chrono is scum.

Which means the only explanation I can come up with for you to be so positive of it is that you're scum and know Iec wasn't on your team.

vote: Battousai

Just like how Chrono attacked people for attacking a scum slip? Please tell me how Chrono could have known that Fate wasn't scum? He couldn't. Therefore he either knows that he is not or that they are scum together.

Also, yeah for sheeping!!!

[Battousai]

Ehh, fuck meta??? Damn, need to go back and finish reading then.

unvote

[Battousai]

Next time, maybe I won't replace into games like this then. Looks like I'm off to a bad start.

[Battousai]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH BOIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

HEHAEHHAEHHAEAEHGAHARHAHHAHAERFWEFVBHTEGFB

WHAT IS THI--

OH I SEE

FATE BABY THIS IS WHY I LOVES YA

VOTE: BATT

OKAY SERIOUSLY IF THIS GAME IS NO REVEAL THOUGH IMMA RAGE MORE

Actually, I'm pretty sure there is a role in place. No reveal is revealed pregame in signups.

[Battousai]

Better watch your votes, I'm at L-2

[Battousai]

Looks like everyone is sheeping or something. I only see maybe 2 of my votes with based reasoning with everyone else being implied. You are making this game too easy for scum.


Also, sorry for triple post. Being at L-2 so fast is a bit shaky.

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Vote Count:

Battousai: 6

(Fate, PranaDevil, Katsuki, vezokpiraka, Reckamonic, Midnight's Sorrow)

vezokpiraka: 1

(Riceballtail)

BunnyLover: 1

(KDub)

Midnight's Sorrow: 1

(Nero Cain)

Not Voting:

Battousai
BunnyLover
bv310
Chronopie
Starbuck

Lynch:

8 votes.

Deadline:

February 17th - 2:00 AM EST

[Battousai]

Better hurry up with that catch-up post

Even Rome wasn't built in a day. I have to get off now, but I won't have much time to do it tomorrow until late. My car is acting up and I have to leave school early (thus less internet access). Hopefully, it's just ice in the gas tank.

[Battousai]

Don't claim, just post content.

Really? I would have thought that posting content would be bad based on the postings lately.

[Battousai]

Woah, no one is posting? I figured by the time I got back there would be a page or so. This is a FYI post. I just got back from the repair place and have about 10 minutes of free time before I have to leave for work. I'm going to spend that reading the thread make a note or two, but I won't be able to finish and compile anything until tomorrow.

[Battousai]

Fuck you fate, and your words....


I just woke up and ate about an hour ago. Worked late last night, so haven't been on the computer. I'm finishing up now.

Also---- chrono, wtf? Calling me out for not posting a catchup post today when your first post of today is calling me out for not posting a catchup post. Maybe you should post more? Also, I don't like you saying that I have been trying to catch up the entire day so far. Guess what, the day started three and a half days ago. Makes it sound like I'm lurking in the background while everyone else is posting. When in actuality I'm the forefront of the day (since my vote on you) and no one has really started discussing anything until, well a few posts ago. Definitly keeping an even closer look on you as I read.

[Battousai]

Any early distancing, I will find scummy. This does not include distancing because of a threat of a lynch. Of course, this will not come into factoring until we get a scum flip.

Nero Cain <-> Prana
Rewq -> Fate
MoI -> Vezok
Midnight -> kdub
Reck/dram -> Midnight
Rice ball -> MoI
Fate -> Iec

19 Vezok- Don’t see the point of this post but to tell the town that he just recently opened his role PM (“I’m not scum cause the mod opened the thread and didn’t allow me to talk pregame”).

44 MoI- 2 people on a wagon is not really something that is weird to ignore. Not seeing the point here

59 MoI- Voting Prana for voting him because he feels the wagon is terrible -scummy

86/88 Chrono- He obviously seen the self vote and the “no fake claims?” but when he says it is flimsy reasoning to vote Fate and then when he is attacked calls the attacker scum with Zodiark. The fact that he didn‘t vote Fate could be that he thought he could stay off the wagon and the town will quick lynch Fate -scummy

Of note, Fate later claims this as Chrono attacking Zodiark for a BS reason. In actuality Chrono IGNORED the fake claim post and the self vote post. Instead he focused on the picture post and Zodiark’s vote on that. He was IGNORING THE REST OF THE SITUATION.

91 Fate- Calling Zodiark’s post here as information. I don’t see it. Zodiark was already voting you and said something like “scum slip?”, what information did you get? Also not liking the fact that Prana online but not posting in game = scum. This is a BS reason for voting Prana here. The whole thing played out in 30 minutes. Is it possible, nah probable, that Prana was online in another forum reading, maybe in scum chat and just didn’t check the game right before he logged off? Note at this time it is unknown what Prana was doing except that he was online and not posting on site.

116 Prana- More apt to believe Prana’s version. If he was scum lurking he could have said the above. Yet he flat out said he read it. -town points

124 Vezok- claims VT to a daykill. Based on their being fake daykills in the day and that vezok isn’t a newbie, seems like “oops I thought I was daykilled so I claimed. I must be telling the truth here guyz”

WHY DID NO ONE ELSE REACT TO THE FAKE DAYKILL AND A CLAIM?

157 Vezok- Still working that “I thought I was daykilled” angle, eh?

197 Vezok- Starts sheeping Fate on what leads to a mislynch- scummy

That's my D1 reading. D2 is just everyone else basically sheeping Fate.

The long and hard of it all is:

Vezok-scum
MoI- scum
Chrono- scum

Vote: Vezok

[Battousai]

No one going to answer my question? Why did you not react to MoI's fake daykill of vezo, nor of vezo's VT claim?

[Battousai]

So, you count it as vezo being an idiot town? I consider it as vezo being scum trying to look like he got caught out claiming his role.

[Battousai]

Fate- Why did you ignore the MoI fake daykill and Vezo's response?

[Battousai]

It was not in the RVS bullshit. It was halfway into the game day. FATE you're an idiot for not reading a player's posts.

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Vote Count:

Battousai: 4

(Katsuki, vezokpiraka, Reckamonic, Midnight's Sorrow)

Midnight's Sorrow: 2

(Nero Cain, KDub)

vezokpiraka: 2

(Riceballtail, Battousai)

Reckamonic: 1

(Fate)

Fate: 1

(PranaDevil)

Not Voting:

BunnyLover
bv310
Chronopie
Starbuck

Lynch:

8 votes.

Deadline:

February 17th - 2:00 AM EST

[Battousai]

My list is:

Town: Myself
Scum: Vezok, MoI, Chrono
Scum if Fate doesn't want null results: Everyone not listed above.

I see nothing wrong with posting this, since I don't have any town reads yet. Besides, all this Fate hate is looking a bit opportunistic for scum to say FUCK YOU FATE and continue to go lurk.

BV: Why did you not mention anything about the MoI fake daykill or Vezok's reaction?

[Battousai]

Fate: I don't know what you want... I gave you a scum list. I have no town reads so everyone goes in the scum list (but I point out who I find actually scummy and not really null).

PranaDevil- Ok, you refuse to post your list. Why not try scumhunting instead of fighting Fate with mafia theory and logic. If Fate is scum, then he should have a scumpartner. Why not try and find him/her?

Also I'm noticing people posting, but ignoring what I brought up about Vezok. This question is to everyone who hasn't answered (not Fate/Prana/MoI). Why did you ignore Vezok's claim of VT and MoI's fake daykill?

[Battousai]

Do you always ignore questions?

[Battousai]

Ok, that's Bunny's answer. Now for others...

[Battousai]

Why leaning town?

[Battousai]

Kdub- Well?

[Battousai]

I did that... ok for clarification only the first two on my scum list I feel are scum, the others have not proven their towniness yet.

Town: Battousai
Scum:. vezokpiraka, Chronopie, KDub, Nero Cain, Reckamonic, PranaDevil, Midnight's Sorrow, Fate, Starbuck, bv310, Riceballtail, Katsuki, Bunnylover

[Battousai]

Yesterday, I didn't see anything that said a player was obv town. So no, I do not have any town reads.

[Battousai]

RBT- What about you? I'm asking the same question to everyone. Why did you ignore vezok's claim to MoI's fake daykill?

[Battousai]

Prana- Just put everyone as scum, except yourself. At least this way we can get Fate to stop overreacting.

[Battousai]

What about it is scummy?

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Vote Count:

Battousai: 4

(Katsuki, vezokpiraka, Reckamonic, Midnight's Sorrow)

Midnight's Sorrow: 2

(Nero Cain, KDub)

vezokpiraka: 2

(Riceballtail, Battousai)

Reckamonic: 1

(Fate)

Fate: 1

(PranaDevil)

Not Voting:

BunnyLover
bv310
Chronopie
Starbuck

Lynch:

8 votes.

Deadline:

February 17th - 2:00 AM EST

[Battousai]

lol Fate. I'm sure you have that as an ability . Ehh... getting lieing results on calling yourself town is breaking the game but two scum calling each other town (which would result in the same net outted scum) is not. Do you think we are idiots? Besides, lists are GUESSES. So, if anyone did not put all of and only the scum into their scum list, they would be lieing. Stop wasting the game day on these idiotic gambits that you use because you probably just can't seem to scumhunt.


Kdub- vezok brought it up multiple times, and when the mod said vezok was still alive, Vezok claimed that he thought he was killed. This proves that he wasn't joking around, but actually thought or pretended to think that he died. Now take that into consideration and tell me if that is scummy.

[Battousai]

FATE STOP ACTING LIKE A TOOL. YOU HAVE NO ROLE. THERE IS NO ROLE. JUST FUCKING STOP WASTING THE ENTIRE FUCKING DAY ON THIS CHARADE.

unvote, vote: Fate

you are using this to waste an entire day. You haven't even tried to scumhunt.

My read on Prana is null leaning scum- from the Zodiark vote. But to satisfy you, I think Prana is town. There, if we are a scumteam that would be a lie, or not I could have forgotten who is my scumpartner. AKA SAYING THINK IS AN OPINION AND AN OPINION CAN NOT BE FALSE. STUPID. BUT NOT FALSE.

I'm not calling it a gambit baselessly.

[Battousai]

oops. Hit enter by mistake. Continuing-

It's as baseless as claiming NK/lynch-immune miller. Yes, it can be proven but it is just not a role that would be used as it is broken.

On his refusal, I see it as NULL. JUST LIKE ALL REACTIONS TO IT. IT IS FUCKING NULL.

[Battousai]

WHERE WOULD WE BE BUNNY? Well, I dunno we did have a lynch yesterday, maybe we can pick up from where that left off.

I also gave my list, durh, I just haven't said anyone was town (cause they aint).

I've been scumhunting since I finished rereading. Yet no one even mentioned my catchup post because of this shtick by Fate. I've also found Vezo scummy and am trying to garner support and whatnot.

[Battousai]

Why don't you ask everyone to call everyone town? That would have been much simpler...

Also, yes reaction = null. You are only guessing at how scum would react, as you have nothing to back it up, unless you've caught scum before fake claiming ultra lie detector...

[Battousai]

No, but you are basing a reaction without any data stating that they would react in that way.

It's like saying only scum would say yellow when you ask them what is their favorite color.

[Battousai]

lol. I have scumhunted. Yet, you still haven't gone back and read my posts. Neither has Fate I see.

[Battousai]

Unvote
Vote: Bunny

Reaction to failing lie detector was not a town reaction. Town would have reacted as if Fate was lying and calling for his lynch. Scum would try to convince Fate that they are town.

I'm still not even sure Fate has a role, he's lied so much that I much prefer my own reads than basing it on him.

[Battousai]

FTR, I did give my list. I just don't find anyone town yet to put them on the list. It's only D1 with only 1 flip for fucks sake.

[Battousai]

<_< The reason I didn't call Fate lieing about me is because I didn't see that Fate had lied about me until he said he vote Reck on this page.
I missed his 2 post where he said me and Reck lied and where he voted.
When I noticed them, I called BS.

Caught scum in a lie!

Post 464, Bunny's first post after Fate's "result" post.

@All: Fate if you aren't lying about your role, then I have nothing to fear.

If you believe I am scum with Reck

+ MS/RBT, then your power should say that I am lieing about my list. I know I'm not lieing about anything, because I don't know anyone alignment.

But, if you were to choice between me and Reck to lynch

, who would you choice first?
On the people I am sure about I would lower my list to this:
Scum: Reck (Flip of DTM could change this), Prana, Vezo, Batt
Town: Fate, Kdub, DTM,
The rest of the list was just, "Well I don't find this guys scum/scummy so I guess town."

You did read Fate calling you scum and you REACTED TO IT in this post.

[Battousai]

Why should I deal with it tomorrow? I think it is possible if not probable that you lied about having said role (you've lied, gambitted, or whatever a few times already) and I don't put it past you to do this as town to get someone lynched. Though, thinking about it, picking both Reck and Bunny instead of me and Prana would not be what Fate-town/gambiting would do. That leaves you telling the truth or you being scum. I should vote you for earlier, but if we leave you alive it at least lets scum waste their NK on you (one faction does not know if you are scum or town).

I may vote reck once he gets on and defends himself.

Also, I'm not being hypocritical. You were all about reactions to not posting a list. That is all null. 100 percent. I didn't think ahead to the "result"

Also also, once you got reads on everyone posting or refusing to post a scum/town list and "outted" your role as a universal lie detector, why didn't you just ask everyone to call all the players in the game town?

TOWN:

1. KDub
2. Nero Cain
3. Reckamonic
4. PranaDevil
5. Chronopie
6. Midnight's Sorrow
7. vezokpiraka
8. Fate
10. Starbuck
11. bv310
12. Battousai Dutch one
13. Riceballtail
14. Katsuki rewq455
18. Bunnylover

SCUM:

No one

[Battousai]

Fate, why not an all town list?

[Battousai]

Also, it's L-2. No quick lynch please.

[Battousai]

THIS IS YOUR FINAL FUCKING WARNING PRANA

Lol, you say that like it's a threat.

[Battousai]

I'd rather not quicklynch for the information.

[Battousai]

PRANA IS THE LYNCH TOMORROW. HE REFUSES TO POST A POST THAT WOULD OUT HIMSELF AS SCUM.

I ALREADY SAID IF I LIE DETECT WHAT YOU HAVE POSTED THE RESULTS WILL BE INCONCLUSIVE. IF YOU WANT TO BE CLEARED AS TOWN IF YOU ARE TOWN, YOU WILL POST A TOWN/SCUM LIST.

I'd rather lynch bunnylove for, you know, actually being scum and not because someone makes you upset.

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Vote Count:

Reckamonic: 6

(Fate, Chronopie, BunnyLover, KDub, vezokpiraka, Midnight's Sorrow)

Battousai: 2

(Katsuki, Reckamonic)

BunnyLover: 2

(bv310, Battousai)

Midnight's Sorrow: 1

(Nero Cain)

Fate: 1

(PranaDevil)

vezokpiraka: 1

(Riceballtail)

Not Voting:

Starbuck

Lynch:

8 votes.

Deadline:

February 17th - 2:00 AM EST

[Battousai]

KAT- Because you arent really paying attention, are you? I think you get distracted by the caps lock. Maybe this will reach you:

1) WE ARE EITHER VOTING RECK OR FATE TODAY.
2) BUNNY IS SCUM FOR LIEING AND REACTIONS TO BEING CALLED A LIAR BY FATE
3) PRANA WILL NOT BE LYNCHED FOR REFUSING TO POST A LIST BECAUSE HE DOESN'T NEED TO ANYMORE. FATE IS NOT GOING TO BE AROUND TO D4.

[Battousai]

Bunnylove- On closer inspection, it appears you are reacting to Fate calling you scum but not Fate calling you a liar. However, before you realized Fate called you a liar, you said

"If your power doesn't make a difference between a town scum/town list and a scum town/scum list, it would be impossible for you to find scum as you are trying to do with that role."

This seems like you are trying to defend against being called a liar as discrediting it. Why would you now, of the entire process, decide to bring this up?

And your later- Fate is a BSing liar is undercutted by Fate calling your reaction out.

I still find you scummy, but it has dropped from what it was. Also, my post to Kat was ninja'd (at the time Kat's post was the most recent).

Kat- read the fucking thread already. He's at L-2. I just posted that not one page ago.

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Vote Count:

Reckamonic: 6

(Fate, Chronopie, BunnyLover, KDub, vezokpiraka, Midnight's Sorrow)

BunnyLover: 2

(bv310, Battousai)

Battousai: 1

(Reckamonic)

Midnight's Sorrow: 1

(Nero Cain)

Fate: 1

(PranaDevil)

vezokpiraka: 1

(Riceballtail)

PranaDevil: 1

(Katsuki)

Not Voting:

Starbuck

Lynch:

8 votes.

Deadline:

February 17th - 2:00 AM EST

[Battousai]

Also, I give Reck 24 hrs to claim and whatnot before I vote. No need to draw it out much longer than that

[Battousai]

Nice... well I'm definitly not protecting Fate tonight.

[Battousai]

Nice... well I'm definitly not protecting Fate tonight.

WHAT IN THE HELL KIND OF STATEMENT IS THIS?


OK.


HAVE FUN DANCING AROUND IN THE DARK WITHOUT A COMPETENT TOWNIE+POWERFUL ROLE.

*SHRUG*

It could be a bluff to get them to target you, or a double bluff to get them to target me.. who knows? I knows, but I is not telling you.

[Battousai]

Kat- Shut up. You haven't even played the game. You've just agreed with Fate and that's it. You have no right to call someone out for being anti-town. NONE.

[Battousai]

Ok, based on the town reads of the two dead scum these players are the most likely scum:

MS, Fate, RBT, Vezok, Prana, Kdub, Nero Cain, Chronopie, Katsuki

With these players being mentioned in both lists: Fate, Midnight's Sorrow, Riceballtail

The following players are very anti-town: Katsuki, vezok and they get a boost.

Concerning night actions. Vig + 2 scum kills. Since there wasn't a distinction with the Reck flip, I assume that there is one multi player scum faction. Now there could be a SK or the mafia has an additional kill. No need to labor over this.

Vote: Katsuki

[Battousai]

Nero- Ok, if Bunny isn't scum that would mean Fate lied and bussed Reck...

[Battousai]

Edit: BV? B fucking V? WHere was I when Fate said he lied on his scumlist?

[Battousai]

Edit Edit: townlist, not scumlist

[Battousai]

Fine but you just fucked up town. I'm sorry I assumed Bunny was scum. It made NO FUCKIGN SENSE WHY HE/SHE IS NOT SCUM WHEN RECK FLIPPED SCUM. NONE. I'm only really upset that Prana voted me for it. Out of everyone he is not 1) useless or 2) sheeping fate constantly


Before I die, vezok is scum or really anti town, Fate is town, Kat is scummy, MS is scummy.


I am Schala, an enabler. When I die,

1) The player I am linked to with a killing ability (alignment unknown)'s results will no longer be janitored.
2) No town PR will be successful

GG town, go be slaughtered like the sheep that you are...

[Battousai]

Well that's lynch...

And I wasn't lieing.

[Battousai]

I was looking at Nero's post and I thought I was lynched...

But, I'm still not lying. And Kat is definitly scum. THe last vote looks like she/he believes my claim but at the same time votes me.

[Battousai]

I'm also not sure if Prana is scum or town. I think I am/was biased towards town as he stood up against Fate.

We haven't proven what Bunny lied about in the town list. Guaranteed 1 scum there.

[Battousai]

To Kdub- I do not know who that player was so no need to analyze my posts for a connection. I don't think the second part is too swingy if the scum have low or little extra abilities. This points to a SK more than the scum having 2 killing abilities.

[Battousai]

I don't know about that. Everyone has been destroyed (even after Reck's death) except the bodyguard. I don't think the kill name is that significant to alignment of the killer.

[Battousai]

Minus lynches

[Battousai]

Nero.... Lie detector doesn't tell you what is a lie just that the poster lied.

That means at least 1 of:

Town: Kdub,

Midnight's Sorrow

, Nero Cain, Chronopie,

Riceballtail

, Katsuki

And at least 1 of:

Town:

MS

,

RBT

, Vezok, Prana

*bolded for appearing on both lists.




Prana- No it's 3 N1 and 3 N2. The protector only blocked the kill. You would have to look up Phoenix and see the leave flavor (I tried but couldn't find a character named Phoenix).

[Battousai]

^No.

And yes I did look, though after I was lynched so I didn't look too hard (just a simple bing search- Pheonix Square Enix). Though the leave flavor does go well with a summon.

[Battousai]

OH YEAH. ITS ALL FATES FAULTY. BIG BAD FATE.

YOU FUCKING CLOWNS WOULD'VE NEVER CAUGHT RECKAMONIC. I NAILED HALF THE SCUMTEAM.

COULDN'T CATCH CHRONO WITH FUCKIN SURVIVORS HAMMERING BATT AND MISLYNCH FODDER LIKE ZORDIAK TAKING XEMNAS CLAIMS AS REALCLAIMS.

FUCK THAT NOISE.

OH AND GUESS THE FUCK WHAT, CHRONO DIDN'T MAKE A LIST D2 DID HE?

IF EVERYONE HAD FUCKIN DONE AS I ASKED I WOULDN'T HAVE HAD TO MISLYNCH MS, WHO DESERVED HIS LYNCH.


OH AND FUCK YOU KATSUKI. OBV SUUPERSAINT CLAIM IS OBV.

NO REVEAL IS TOWN FAVORED? WELL NEWS TO ME.

Shut the fuck up. Seriously. You helped town lose the fucking game. You lied the entire game, guiding town into focusing on you and your lie detector ability instead of scum hunting. You allowed scum to sheep you. Stop being a douche and blaming the town loss on everyone else.

[Battousai]

I still don't understand why I was lynched. I mean seriously, if you thought Fate was telling the truth due to catching Reck, why wouldn't it be possible for you to think that he was telling the truth about bunny lying which would mean bunny was scum? Also, bunny wasn't even flipped then, so lynching me for knowing that bunny was scum doesn't make sense.

The last day, I had scum as either Chrono or NC (going with NC as scum); MS and Kat.

I'd say the game was swingy much more than it was town powered. Janitored + 3 kills/night + 2/15 chance of catching scum is much more powerful for scum than considered. That's a lot of misinformation for town, and then not to mention that scum were given fake claims of the major roles in the game was a bit swingy (if they had to claim before figuring it out, they'd get countered easily; otherwise they can preemptively claim and be believed and can act accordingly around the roles). Instead of trying to make 2 scum balanced, it would have been easier to just add a scum, scum team, or SK.