Mafia of the Chosen Ones (Game Over!)

[Nachomamma8]

ANDRIUS IM SORRY I COULDNT BE THERE FOR YOU

[Nachomamma8]

UNVOTE, VOTE: MAGUA

What was the purpose of the question asked in post #46?

@Empking: I do! And he's TOWN this game!

[Nachomamma8]

I'm posting here too. Keep your pants on.

(Please. *Please* keep your pants on.)

I'll hammer once two people answer this question: Who would you be voting if Vezok wasn't in this game?

Just for you, Magua.

But why just two? And why did it matter? You were killing a guy, and usually once the killing starts happening, RVS is over.

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho: Do you feel that the single post by magua is scummier than the evidence presented against gud/mothrax/spice/kitoari? How is it that big of a deal?

Not necessarily. It needs addressing because scum were someone was able to squeeze in a last minute kill and that question by magua seemed a lot like stalling so he could decide just who he wanted to kill.

[Nachomamma8]

So, I want to make sure I understand this: the cunning plan is that I asked this question in post #46 at 8:32 CST in order to "stall" so that I could then vote in #49 at 8:33 CST, instead of simply submitting a kill and then voting?

Hooray for not looking at the timestamps!

ANDRIUS IM SORRY I COULDNT BE THERE FOR YOU

I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR YOU, SLIMY KENNEDY.

YOUR NOBLE SACRIFICE FOR AMERICA HAS BEEN NOTED, AS HAS YOUR WEAK AND INEFFECTUAL LEADING SKILLS.

NACHO YOURE IN THSI GAME? WAT? (I then look at your posts and see this STREEEEEEEETCH of a tell: "Magua was stalling to send in a kill." MY GOD THATS A BAD POINT AND NOT A TOWNNACHO: SCUMMMMMMMM)

I didn't fuck up THAT bad >.>

Andy, post here when you see this. I don't think Guderian is scum.

EQUINOX YOU NEVER SAID HI TO ME ((

[Nachomamma8]

UNVOTE, VOTE: KITORI

[Nachomamma8]

No. I need you to help me figure out if Guderian IS scum.

[Nachomamma8]

Why, though?

[Nachomamma8]

Because he's scum.

Andy, Baby Spice is TOWN. Glorious, glorious, town.

[Nachomamma8]

Yeah, Guderian is scum.

AND SORRY ANDY BUT ITS THE TRUTH.

When Baby Spice says the quicklynch "was pushed by scum", he means "there were scum on the quicklynch wagon". I also can never ever never see scum Baby Spice bringing up the "quicklynch is scum benefit" and then acting on it.

[Nachomamma8]

Guderian though, dropped his lil newspaper act when PEOPLE STARTED CALLING HIM OUT ON IT, and then voted Jack for an "lol" slip.

MMHMM

Case closed. Guderian and BS are scum. That'll hold us until D4, where we lynch KitKat and other scumz0rs.

NO WHY IS BS TOWN NACHO YOU ARE BREAKING MY HEART.

Fate/Andy, Gud didn't vote Jack for a "lol" slip. It's pretty legitimate to think that was an "oh shit" mistake. It's how he reacted after that makes him look scummy (i.e. trying to set Fate up to look bad just because you post in all caps and may or may not play a liiiiittle bit more aggressively than people are used to on this site).

Why do you care as long as scum is getting lynched...?

[Nachomamma8]

HERE?

I think Andy could be scummy for calling for the quick lynch for mana, but then as a scum move it's a bit of a "look at me" move too.

HE'S SAYING THAT IT WOULDN'T WORK AS A SCUM MOVE BECAUSE IT'S TOO MUCH OF A "LOOK AT ME" MOVE.

[Nachomamma8]

Yes.

[Nachomamma8]

Then explain it to me.

[Nachomamma8]

Why? If someone I think is town is lynching someone I think is scum with me, it's okay if we disagree on reasons. The important part is getting scum lynched, so it's okay to leave people in their own delusions a while if it advances THE ULTIMATE GOAL.

[Nachomamma8]

@Andrius: What scum fencesits on their read on a player declared town by everyone else? She wasn't trying to throw suspicion on you, or the fencesitting would look more like: "Don't you think that Andy could be scum who just wanted more mana? Probably not though."

[Nachomamma8]

I've already agreed with Andy that Guderian is scum. And it's far more efficent to ask my strongest townread to tell me why he thinks Guderian is scum then go through and counter everyone's cases on him.

[Nachomamma8]

No.

[Nachomamma8]

AGar 2 | AGM 0 | Andrius 0 | BS 0 | Emp 0 | Equi 0 | Fate 0 | Furc 2 | Gud 1 | inHim 0 | Jack 0 | Kat 0 | Kito 1 | Magua 0 | moth 0 | Nacho 0 | Ray 0 | sinsig 0 | Vas 0

Mod, can you make this a little bigger?

Mmm... no. Thanks for asking! ~Vi

[Nachomamma8]

Also

@Everyone

: I'm very strongly of the belief that we should end the day by a week from today (that is, next Friday, January 21st), if not sooner.

Do you think that your vote on AGar is pushing us in the right direction for that?

YES I DID.

Also, hi. Are you scum?

It was highly depersonalized though

Nope!

I am seeing nothing but bad things on Katsuki. Katsuki vs. Magua, katsuki seemed extra slow and seemed like she was avoiding to answer by feigning ignorance. I don't remember her being that dull. She was also thickheaded when I was questioning her in LOTR Mafia.

Vote: Katsuki

SCUMSUKI, WE MEET AGAIN. HAVE AT THEE.

You SAY you agree with Magua, but...
1) You vote Katsuki, who no one else is voting.
2) You don't address anyone else's cases on anyone else, so you're not making a move to acknowledge the other wagons and prove while yours is the best.
3) You don't really make much of a case.
So what are you trying to accomplish with this?

[Nachomamma8]

AGar 0 | AGM 1 | Andrius 0 | BS 1 | Emp 0 | Equi 0 | Fate 0 | Furc 3 PROD1 0 | Gud 2 | inHim 1 | Jack 1 | Kat 0 | Kito 2 | Magua 0 | moth 1 | Nacho 0 | Ray 0 | sinsig 1 | Vas 0

It looks like a prod list. Probably made larger due to Vi's OCD.

Also, we're using about 10% of battery a day. Waiting a week is now an absolutely terrible decision.

Jack (L-9) ~ Guderian,

Magua

AGar (L-9) ~ Magua
Katsuki (L-9) ~ VasudeVa

Not Voting:

AGar,

AlmasterGM,

Fate,

Furcolow,

Katsuki,

singersigner

All of these people are leeches on American Society.

As for Kitori being gone until Monday, I wouldn't mind lynching him now. Not at all.

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: Magua

[Nachomamma8]

Hay Jack, since you're here... how about you tell us your

top four

for scum?

kit
magua
gud
baby

@Jack:

Do you think both Kitoari and Guderian are scum?

[Nachomamma8]

FATE TELL ME WHY WE WOULD LYNCH GUDERIAN BEFORE MAGUA

MAGUA COULD ACTUALLY BE USEFUL IN A SCUM QT.

[Nachomamma8]

Okay, I will give Magua time to slip more.

Unvote, Vote: Gud

[Nachomamma8]

Kitoari scum was almost certainly bussed. I'm currently unsure as to who would've done the bussing at this time, but I'll get back to you guys on that.

Vote Count VII:

The fight is on! ...even if you're not

Kitoari (LYNCH) ~ Equinox, Jack, Nachomamma8, Fate, Katsuki, Furcolow, singersigner, inHimshallibe, Magua, Empking

Vote Count VII:

The fight is on! ...even if you're not

Kitoari (LYNCH) ~ Equnox, Jack, Nachomamma8, Fate,

Katsuki

, Furcolow,

singersinger

, inHimshallibe,

Magua

, Empking

[Nachomamma8]

I don't want a furc lynch, I want a scum lynch.

But I'll actually have to do some reading for one of those

[Nachomamma8]

TOWN:
Andrius
Baby Spice
Fate
Furcolow
inHimshallibe
Jack
mothrax
RayFrost

LEFT:
AGM
Kat
Magua
Singersinger
VasudeVa

AGM- AGM would push that vezok lynch regardless of alignment, I know this much. There's also this:

AND ANDRIUS STOP STEALING ALL THE FUCKING GLOY VEZOK LYNCHAGE. MY RAGE WAS KEY AND I DESERVE THE GLORY BECAUSE I WAS THE ONE WHO ACTUALLY SUFFERED AT THE MISERABLE HANDS OF VEZOK'S MISERABLENESS. Although you can have credit for the faith thing, that was pretty protown.

which, when read with AGM calling Andrius scum and all that, seems like AGM trying to usurp the towncred from the vezok quicklynch. There's also the whole LIVING IN CATCHUP MODE, which makes Nacho angry. I still find it active lurking if you're commenting on things that happened ten pages ago. Oooh! There's all the GUDERIAN IS TOWN stuff before Guderian's lynch which makes my paranoid button start a beeping. I was expecting to see a lot more of AGM this game since he's gotten his vezok policy lynch, but I expect that he's just been busy and he's actually been catching up kind of quickly lately, but probably SCUM on account of how many townreads I have atm.

Kat-

TBQH ID REALLY APPRECIATE IF THIS DAY LASTED AT LEAST A DAY

LETTING SCUM GET FREE NKS WITHOUT THE BENEFIT OF US ESTABLISHING ANY READS "D1" IS NOT GOOD FOR TOWN. WE CANT BE JUST THROWING AWAY THE LIVES OF PLAYERS WHO SCUM DO NOT WANT TO PLAY WITH.

This alone makes me call Katsuki scum. I mean, I've played with Katsuki a few times now and he never ever has hesitated on pushing through a quicklynch. ON TOP OF THAT, this is blatant hypocrisy when the rest of his play is added in (voting with no reasons and not allowing anyone to get a read on him), and I think that the M-M-META BREAKER was just an attempt to look protown that fell through when Katsuki realized how much he hated being scum.

Magua-
Magua is good at setup speculation regardless of alignment so all of that stuff should be taken out of consideration. He's probably town, though, due to Seraph stuff and the AGar kill.

singersinger-
I HAD TO LOOK ON THE PLAYERLIST TO REALIZE SHE WAS IN THE GAME SO SCUM. As to her actual play, USELESSUSELESS"Iknowimuseless"USELESSUSELESS. She comments on Jack's page 1 "slip" ON PAGE 16, "caught up" but never caught up, "worked on ISOs" but never worked on them, etc. And "why are you voting for me when I have the least amount of votes?" SCUMMY SCUM SCUM.

VasudeVa-
VV votes when there's no chance of a lynch going through, which is bad. But he votes in the right places, which is good. He's also doing this SOMEWHERE ELSE, so my read on him is a little incomplete. We'll just take care of him after Katsuki and singersinger, I think.

Furcolow-
Sharing a wagon with Katsuki AND singersinger does not bode well, not even a little.
Not even Fate can save from company that bad.

UNVOTE, VOTE: KATSUKI

[Nachomamma8]

<333333333333333

[Nachomamma8]

ONE MORE AND ALL WILL BE GLORIOUS

JUST ONE

[Nachomamma8]

@Ray:
Baby Spice is TOWNNNN

[Nachomamma8]

V/LA for a day

[Nachomamma8]

V/LA lasting longer than expected, but I will make a post in here tomorrow.

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: singersinger

I still trust most of my reads, but I'm thinking I might be wrong about Jack and inHim being town.
I'll try to get something up on BS tomorrow... I'm still thinking he's town, and I would much rather have a singersinger lynch than anything else.
The smoke on Andy makes me paranoid twitch. I can't help but think that Plum, DDD, and VPB would realize how obvious a tactic that is, meaning that A) hito & co are scum, or B) Baby Spice is town and they could care less about him being lynched.
I would like a response from the other Seraphs, though.

(yes he's back, now rejoice)

[Nachomamma8]

Ray why is Baby Spice scum?

[Nachomamma8]

--- Baby Spice ---

Righteous

--- Rejected Day 5.

@Ray:
Baby Spice is TOWNNNN

Vote: singersinger

[Nachomamma8]

the next cycle will be lylo

Explain your reasoning for thinking this is the case.

There were 17 players in MoHo. There were 4 scum in MoHo.
There are 21 players in MoCo. There are _ scum in MoCo.

[Nachomamma8]

Singer, inHim, and VV are probably all mafia.
One of AGM or mothrax is SK.

It could also be singer inhim and AGM, with mothrax as the SK.

[Nachomamma8]

AGM could be town.
You're scum, regardless of how I look at things.

[Nachomamma8]

I'ma ISO you, inHim, and Jack, cuz there's bound to be some scum there.

I thought you thought Jack was town.

[Nachomamma8]

I'ma ISO you, inHim, and Jack, cuz there's bound to be some scum there.

I thought you thought Jack was town.

ISOing people isn't indicative of alignment. Jack could show connections in a different way than just ISOing who I think is scum. He's in the three I haven't seen/heard a whole lot from, therefore I think it's worth looking over what he has to say.

You said there was bound to be some scum there. If you weren't referring to the group of {me, inHim, Jack}, then what there are you referring to?

[Nachomamma8]

SS, you're blaming EVERYTHING on too many people sheeping the Seraphs, right?

Then explain this.
Yesterday:

VOTE: BabySpice cuz she's being crazy.

Today"
This was Seraph-approved.

VOTE: AlamasterGM

[Nachomamma8]

I had been suspicious of/voting Baby Spice long before the Seraphs said anything, so that's null. And would be a pretty easy misrep of scum.

Ray had been suspicious of voting Baby Spice before then, too! So I guess he wasn't sheeping the Seraphs, now was he?

And you're right. The ONE person who I was chalking up to just being an idiot before the Seraph's laid out a case on anyone, I believed.

Okay, then you shouldn't be so paranoid about the Seraphs influencing a case...
And it's not like Ray hasn't provided a case on you, a case which you haven't responded to.

I DON'T THINK VV IS SCUM AND NEVER DID.

Why?

PEDIT: HELL YEAH

[Nachomamma8]

Unvote, Vote: AlamasterGM

[Nachomamma8]

And I don't care WHAT AGM flips we're lynching singersinger.

WHAT FATE SAID ABOUT SINGERSINGER:

Singersinger: View User's Posts: Understands said insult reference. OH I SEE. Apology accepted, now start posting more because if you coast like you did LAST GAME we were in you get a solid scumread. SCUMMY

Translation: HEY SCUMBUDDY POST MORE OR I'LL HAVE TO BUS

mothrax, singersinger is pretty town at the moment.

Please go back(?) to voting Gude.

Pretty self-explanatory considering singersinger WAS STILL LURKING

[Nachomamma8]

HITO I SEE YOU

I WANT REASONING WHY SS IS TOWN.

FROM ALL OF YOU OR ONE OF YOU I DON'T CARE.

BUT I WANT REASONING BETTER THAN "wagon's giving me bad vibes, man".

I WILL PROVIDE A CASE ON WHY SS IS SCUM WHEN I RETURN.

[Nachomamma8]

HEY SINGERSINGER

GUESS WHAT

VOTE: SINGERSINGER

[Nachomamma8]

HITO I EXPECT AN APOLOGY FOR YOU DERAILING MY BEAUTIFUL SS WAGON

[Nachomamma8]

SHUT UP SINGERSCUM

SORRY RAY, BUT I PEGGED HER FIRST. AND YOU WEREN'T EVEN VOTING HER ANYWAY, SO.
<3 YOU THOUGH

[Nachomamma8]

GIVE ME A MOMENT. I HAVE TO SETTLE BUSINESS ELSEWHERE, THEN CHOOSE PROPER MOOD MUSIC.

[Nachomamma8]

ACTUALLY WAIT A MINUTE.

WHY ARE YOU RUSHING A SS LYNCH?

THERE'S NO RUSH, ONLY BLOODLUST.

I AM SHUDDERING IN ANTICIPATION.

REVENGE IS OH SO SWEET.

[Nachomamma8]

ran out of time, will be back

[Nachomamma8]

VV... no obvscum? VV, you're missing someone. So, I have something I want you to do.

First, get some candles out, dim the lights. You know, set the mood for what you are about to witness. I am about to make those prophetic words in singersinger's #78 come true...

Singersinger enters the game twelve pages in takes about a day to read, then announces that she finally has a post to make and thoughts to share. Three hours later, we get a post responding to Baby Spice's "Who benefitted more from the vezok quicklynch post?". A post which was, of course, already attacked here, here, here... And, of course, she doesn't take a interesting position on it, she just agrees with everyone else. It's scum pretending to contribute while really doing absolutely nothing; any townie at this point should've gotten something more out of a read than this crap. The next few posts find her fencesitting hard on the Andrius-Baby Spice debate, not giving any hints to her suspicion whatsoever and not making any effort whatsoever to get suspects out of that group (well, unless you count her calling one of Ray's actions "mildly suspicious").

Next, she gives a few reads out on people I think is worthy of quoting.

I've never played with RayFrost, but I disagree with Fate's assessment of him bringing up the possibility that there might be two scum teams reading as genuine town-RF. I need to see him post more before I feel comfortable with that read.
FATE, DO YOU THINK EMPKING IS SCUM?
I agree with Andrius about Baby Spice. I knew she made me think she thought he was scummy for a reason. YOU ALMOST DODGED THAT ONE BS.
Where is AGar?
Gud being stupid=/=scum. Gud disappears=scum.
Furc=idiot so probably best he's not here.
Jack's "scum slip" is not a scum slip, IMO. It's all how you read it. He was talking to town and used the word "you"...though he's been fairly unhelpful since=/=pro-town.
I've heard nothing but good things about VV but have yet to see any of those things be accurate in this game.
Nacho...why are you voting Kit now?

Her reads are just calling a whole bunch of people scummy yet STILL refusing to put down anything definitive.
The bottom part is v cool too. She questions my unexplained vote on the at the time THREE STRONG Kitoari wagon, but she never ever ever questions any of the questions on the Guderian wagon which was at L-4 at the time. I don't know how big of a scumtell this is because I'm not exactly clear whether scum knew all of their buddies at that point but it's still nice to point out.

Singersinger fluffcoasts for a little while, then finally chooses something and votes Kitoari over Guderian when both wagons were tied. This is a towntell if scum knew who their buddies were, although at this point, I'm guessing they didn't. From my experience with Fate, he busses with impunity, and this would've been a surprisingly weak bus from him. So if that's the case, it's a terrible vote considering that it's a late vote, there are no previous mentions of Kit, and there is no reasoning for the vote whatsoever.

Furc doesn’t really have much useful analysis, but posting a lot and taking weird risks like voting for a no lynch kind of makes him town.

I’m ready to see a flip to get answers once and for all VOTE: Fucolow.

I THINK RAY ALREADY BROUGHT THIS UP BUT SAME POST. TRUE STORY.

She attacks AGM for voting her because AGM has other suspects, and his other suspects have more votes than her. Despite the fact that deadline is nowhere close. Her justification? "It just feels like he's not going for scum targets that are legitimate." Now if that's not a crap scum excuse, I'll upload a video to Youtube of me tapdancing and singing opera in a clown suit...

Next, another gem.

ITS SAYING I DONT WANT ANY OF THE QUICKLYNCHING BIZNESS BEFORE I GET THE TIME TO THROW SOME LAST THOUGHTS IN

WRITING ESSAY NOW, MEETING+DRINKING TMR, SO GIVE ME SATURDAY TO DO SOME DIGGIN'

You realize you're asking us to prolong your lynch for TWO DAYS, which inevitably drains the faith we could be giving town-Seraph, right?

What about that is pro-town?

She's acting like waiting a little bit before lynching is incredibly and horribly anti-town. Which is odd, considering...

Nacho...why does it matter so much to you that we don't use up a little more battery before a lynch?

Her vote on Baby Spice comes after a long time of not commenting on her at all, and has the wonderful thought out reasoning of "she's acting crazy" tacked on it. And despite her assertions that she had been suspicious of Baby Spice a really really long time ago, she only really calls her scummy once, and never followed anything up after that.

Next, comes the singer phase where all she really says is "YOU'RE SHEEPING THE SERAPHS!!" Notice how she doesn't ask for the case on her, or defend the case on her, or even make any effort whatsoever to scumhunt. It's just "You think I'm scum? You're sheeping the Seraphs, then! I knew this would happen!"

Then, there's a couple >.> moments.
For one,

I'ma ISO you, inHim, and Jack, cuz there's bound to be some scum there.

Which, according to singersinger, meant that there was scum in inHim and I and she was ISOing Jack to see his opinions.

For two,

GAWDFUCKINGDAMNIT I FORGOT SCUM HAS/HAD DAYTALK.

>.>
This had absolutely nothing to do with ANYTHING SS had posted, and did not affect any of her points at all. Hello, scum trying desperately to clear herself!

...so yeah, we're not lynching anyone else today.

[Nachomamma8]

And, because I know you guys are lazy...

SINGERSINGER, ABRIDGED:
Only thing she gets out of her reread is that the quicklynch was town-motivated, a fact that was already covered.
Massive fencesitting on Baby Spice v Andy.
Votes to lynch someone she thought was town just for a flip.
Calls Katsuki horribly anti-town for wanting us to wait to lynch so we wouldn't use battery up although she held the same opinion earlier.
Screams about how sheeping the Seraphs is destroying the world, then sheeps the Seraphs.
Calls a vote on her invalid because her wagon wasn't big enough for it to be valid.

[Nachomamma8]

It's me and SS left and since I KNOW I AM TOWN and I think SS is Town, I don't like the SS lynch at all.

If I were in your position, I'd think just the opposite. After all, hito and Zach and Sotty are capable enough where I think they'd be able to hit at least one scum when they have FOUR TRIES, don't you?

[Nachomamma8]

GOOD DEFENSE SINGERSINGER

As an aside, no one else should vote her since she will self-hammer at the first opportunity.

[Nachomamma8]

It's me and SS left and since I KNOW I AM TOWN and I think SS is Town, I don't like the SS lynch at all.

If I were in your position, I'd think just the opposite. After all, hito and Zach and Sotty are capable enough where I think they'd be able to hit at least one scum when they have FOUR TRIES, don't you?

No response, VV?

Hmm... SS has been in L-2 for a loong time now, huh? No quickhammers? We have daytalking scum right?

FWIW, I strongly dislike that last Nacho post. It screams scum hungry for the mislynch. We have been discussing multiple people over the course of these pages. And the only one he pays attention to is the one with the most votes.

FoS: Nacho, mothrax(again for the second time).

Are you kidding me?
I've been pushing singersinger for THIRTEEN PAGES NOW. I started the wagon.
And you'd think you'd give me the decency of responding to the singersinger case, since in your eyes I'm mislynch-hungry scum and singersinger is poor, vunerable town.

I've read up on Nacho. The only bad thing I'm seeing is his recent SS tunnel which is horrible, All his posts today are focused on one thing and one thing only: lynching SS. I fully expect Townies to be scrambling for reads right about now(like the cool dudes: Vas, inHim and RF). He isn't. And I know he's a more capable player than this.

Pushing one scum is a GREAT way to find the identity of that scum's buddies, wouldn't you agree?
Take you for example. You have offered absolutely nothing in the way of proof that singersinger is town aside from "too scummy to be scum" crap. You've ignored my case on her. And yet you're holding her on the same town level as RF, inHim... Townies scrambling for reads don't have such confidence in town reads built on absolutely nothing, sorry.

And SS reads a lot like a LyLo mislynch. THIS IS WHAT MY HEART TELLS ME. If there is something I have learned in LyLo, there is always this one scummy person who just screaming to be lynched. Scum have chosen this very special person to be the person to lump their votes into. Then they will lure gullible townies with long ass cases and logic.

So you're calling mothrax and I scum and RayFrost that gullible townie?
And if #1367 is a "long ass case", you're in the wrong place.

Nacho is saved for tommorow. But it will take something INCREDIBLE for me to vote for RF, inHim, SS and myself. (Like..catching them in a quickhammer attempt or something.)

No. Rev up that chainsaw and put out that case on me today.

[Nachomamma8]

VV, Nacho's taking on AGM's town-tunneling of me. I think he's just become opportunistic that now that AGM's confirmed town, he can switch to me. Isn't that what everyone's been doing with the Seraph's reads?

Addressed in the response to VV.

[Nachomamma8]

My read on her doesn't have much with what she said, it's more about what she's doing. The argument is that she's not acting like scum, she's acting like a mislynch waiting to happen.

Be specific, then. I certainly have. HOW is she acting like a mislynch waiting to happen? HOW is she acting like town? All you've said is "you're tunneling, she's town." Do you honestly expect me to be convinced by that?

I have stated over and over that if she had scum buddies, they would have coached her ass up big time.

Can you provide examples of games where scumplay dramatically improves because they have daytalk?

I don't care when you have started tunneling on her. What I care about is AT THIS VERY MOMENT, AT LYLO IN A GAME WHERE THE ONE SCUM LYNCH WE HAVE IS SCUM DRIVEN, you are still tunneling even with the other alternatives I have shown, and with all the discussions that have been going around.

Your two alternatives are likelier SK than scum, and I'm not interested in lynching the SK right now.

I have to thank you for telling me that. The fact that you are still on your shitty tunnel proves my point even more. You don't care about lynching correctly, you only care about lynching.

How can say something like this when you've given a grand total of ONE reason why singersinger is town and disregarded my case completely?

Nacho/Jack/mothrax. I don't care who we lynch first.(Although lynching Jack and moth has a higher chance of sucess.)

And how the hell is THIS caring about lynching correctly?

[Nachomamma8]

V/LA for a day

[Nachomamma8]

badbadbad.

In MoHo, Quick Change was a scum ability that gave scum faith for recharging the battery.
I'm sure Hito will reaffirm this, though.

I'm also RECALIBRATING after town-VV...

[Nachomamma8]

RAYFROST WAIT.

1 MAFIA
1 SK
2 TOWN

LYNCH MAFIA SK WINS
LYNCH SK MAFIA WINS

[Nachomamma8]

If the Seraphs can't save our asses, we'll have to no-lynch...

[Nachomamma8]

Mafia will no-kill since thay have virtually no chance of killing the SK, and if they hit a different town then the SK does, it's game over for them.
SK shoots mafia because killing mafia removes the threat of a scum-judgement kill, which I'm sure goes through whatever the perks the SK has.

Thus, tomorrow it'll either be two of us versus the SK, or we get rid of a scummy townie and rev up that prisoner's dilemma.

[Nachomamma8]

What part are you missing?

[Nachomamma8]

WHY DIDN'T THEY KILL INHIM WHO HAS COMMUNICATION WITH THE SERAPHS. (Does he still have it??)

VV was confirmed town, sweetie.

[Nachomamma8]

Mafia MIGHT be able to get the SK, but SK's most likely BP.
Yes, but SK would win if it ever came down to SK v Mafia in endgame, so he doesn't care if 2 townies are hit during the night.
Yes.
Singer, if we lynched the SK today, then it goes to night. 3 people left: 2 townies, one mafia. Mafia shoots one of the townies. Mafia wins. Doctor's dead, so we can't count on anything stopping kills.

Yes. I'm guessing hito gave inHim the message after he posted. No, Seraphs never confirmed him to my knowledge. Yes, VV was the only confirmed townie.

[Nachomamma8]

Seraphs: Bring down thy judgment upon this madman that has sought the slaughter of us all?

Uh, Ray... Why are you calling for the Seraphs to use Judgement on someone you think is an SK, which means that mafia will use their Judgement on a townie and mafia will win? The only way we have any change of winning if we don't follow SS's or my plans is if Town Seraphs kill mafia by judgement and then we lynch SK. Meaning that we should be looking for MAFIA right now.

[Nachomamma8]

HITOOOO

I'll be preparing a reads post of my own soon, I just have to post in a couple other games first.

[Nachomamma8]

Like a Jigsaw Puzzle With a Couple of Pieces Gone:
[...]

That Shape is My Shade, There Where I Used to Stand:
[...]

Hito, your answer to whether the scum have a bolt or not should lie there.
If you have grant vig + a bolt of your own, we should be good.
If you're lacking one or the other, then they probably do.

[Nachomamma8]

Ah yes, I spoiled this one already. Yo Nacho. You're the serial killer, right? It's important in case a bolt strikes me down that town helps you out. I supppppose I can write out all my reasons if you insist, but come on, just say it so that if I die the town keeps you alive for that victory you earned shooting scum.

No, I'm not.

And if inHim is the last scum, guess that means I'm SK-hunting, huh?

[Nachomamma8]

There wasn't a spot for modkills in MoHo, so I doubt there will be one now.

And I don't think your vig and their vig will be in the same slot, considering "Inquisited" is pretty sinister flavor, and "Like a Jigsaw Puzzle With a Couple of Pieces Gone" is a reference to the song "Leroy Brown" when Leroy was finally killed.

I'm not so sure about bolts, but I have hope about them being seperated if vigs are. It would make the last section the only section where multiple factions could use the kill, which doesn't seem right to me.

[Nachomamma8]

Hi Ray <3

[Nachomamma8]

I didn't kill you because Equinox protected you.

[Nachomamma8]

Oh yeah.

Vote: inHimshallibe

Let's kill Nixon before scum unleash some ridiculous game-changer orders since hito and Sotty and Zach are gone.

[Nachomamma8]

I needed scum to die at that point just as much as you did, you were higher profile than me, and then I got too busy shooting scum.

[Nachomamma8]

As for benefits, they took out the town Seraphs, meaning that they wouldn't be able to use orders anymore. Did you miss this?

Like a Jigsaw Puzzle With a Couple of Pieces Gone:
23. sottyrulez - Loyal Seraph - Abandoned Day 7...

[Nachomamma8]

Hmmm... Rayfrost, you've betrayed me.

[Nachomamma8]

rayyy </3

[Nachomamma8]

I'm guessing you're not afraid that scum will use their bolt tomorrow morning and instantly endgame you guys?

Since they haven't used it yet...

[Nachomamma8]

Wait.

Tomorrow will be SS-You-inHim.
Plum ascends from hell, game over...

[Nachomamma8]

They used quick change for 66 Faith AFTER Furcolow was killed, and then they got 94 Faith from the Jack-inHim quickhammer.

And how much did decision cost in MoHo?

[Nachomamma8]

How in the hell did YOU get a message from Hito when he already used his one-shot sending?

[Nachomamma8]

**Quick Change (40) - You will gain (100 - current battery %) Faith. The battery will then be refilled to 100%.

[Nachomamma8]

Then how did Andrius know to neighborize inHim?

[Nachomamma8]

Guess you're right

[Nachomamma8]

SS, I'm sorry

[Nachomamma8]

Mafia isn't doomed to lose.

[Nachomamma8]

I'm willing to bet that he'll let us have the win here by virtue of the fact nacho did most of the killing on his buddies (think about this: jack lived, nacho killed town. Scum would've won then with jack vigging town and then combo-lynching nacho).

Or he can go with the presidential alliance.

[Nachomamma8]

Holy crap that activity overview feature is really, REALLY convenient.

[Nachomamma8]

And sorry Ray. I figured I'd do this with more style, but Vi is taking waay too long to respond.

It ain't over until the thread is locked and Vi is yelling at all of us to stop soiling the endgame...

[Nachomamma8]

I'm willing to bet that he'll let us have the win here by virtue of the fact nacho did most of the killing on his buddies (think about this: jack lived, nacho killed town. Scum would've won then with jack vigging town and then combo-lynching nacho).

Or he can go with the presidential alliance.

There is no possibility of him winning 1 v 1 with you, so why would he take you up on such an offer?

I'll explain after you're dead.

[Nachomamma8]

Your BLASHPHEMY, Ray.
It undid you.

[Nachomamma8]

Nixon.
I want you to be honest with me for a second.
Scum/town?

[Nachomamma8]

inhim, what exactly is your win condition?

[Nachomamma8]

If he's a neutral survivor, that means that he could win with either of us.
We could also win with each other if I granted you a doctor tonight so you knew I wouldn't kill you, and then granted you a vig in the morning and we both shot each other at the same time.

SO BASICALLY EVERYONE WINS TOGETHER.

[Nachomamma8]

Singer i am on a phone. I used a holy order that will tell me how much faith the demon seraphs have. If it goes through, inhim is lying. I will explain when im at a computer. Wait to vote until then.

[Nachomamma8]

My order proves that the Demon Seraphs are still in this game.
And, we can't forget their win condition:

You win when it is no longer possible to prevent Demons from being the only living players.

Thus, even IF inhim is telling the truth about his win condition, you still have to worry about the Demon Seraphs. You won't be able to stop them from gaining faith alone, and eventually they will be able to use their trump card holy order, Plum will come down to earth and endgame you. And you won't be able to win until the Demon faction is completely destroyed, and they WON'T be destroyed until inhim is dead.

As for inHim being a survivor now...

We KNOW Hito would not of said this if he had anything to do with inHim's survivor status:

And if I die, you all become friends of the sk. Remember all that.

ESPECIALLY since the only scum he was pushing was inHim. If he made inHim a stripped demon, then he would be pushing my lynch through and through, and would allow inHim to win with the town. OR, he would push a scumlynch that wasn't inHim. But he didn't.

In other words, the only possibility for him being Survivored is me. Now, inHim claimed that he was stripped of his powers when hito used Communion on him. Meaning that I would have to use my survivor power before I knew that inHim was scum, and I would have to somehow make him a survivor at the exact same time that hito opened his communion QT with him, which is a little too coincidental for my tastes. In addition, I would have to have to power SOMEHOW, and it would make no sense to use it anywhere near endgame. And if I could use it more than once, it wouldn't make sense for me not to use it on you for an automatic victory...

[Nachomamma8]

Now for my proposal...

Currently on its way is a Doctor role, tailored specifically for you. Protect yourself, and lynch inHim with me. Tomorrow, I will grant you a dayvig and we will shoot each other as soon as you receive it. We both will die since I only have nightkill immunity, and both of our win conditions will be fulfilled simultaneously. I win when all demons and righteous have died, and you win when everyone who's role PM requires Righteous to die is dead.

I'll vote as soon as you confirm you've gotten it.

[Nachomamma8]

Mod, request votecount.

[Nachomamma8]

Did you get it singer?

[Nachomamma8]

I'm going to grant you a dayvig tomorrow, just like I granted you a doctor.
We shoot each other at the same time, and we die at the same time. Both win conditions are fulfilled at the same time and so we win together.

Vote: inHimshallibe

[Nachomamma8]

Actions don't resolve simultaneously. Actions resolve at votecounts, as demonstrated by you getting the grant doctor as soon as the votecount was posted. Sometimes Vi will post votecounts because things happen, but as long as we submit the actions at around the same time, we should be fine.

[Nachomamma8]

Yes. I'm getting confirmation on how close together we have to submit our kills for it to work.

[Nachomamma8]

If we submit them in the same rollover period, it will work.
I have confirmation on this.

[Nachomamma8]

Ok, so with the doctor ability, unless I can be roleblocked, there is no tomorrow and I endgame with whoever doesn't die today.

What?

I'm thinking...this vig ability tomorrow deal? Crap. There won't be a tomorrow no matter what happens. So do you want to try explaining this to me again?

Why do you think there wouldn't be tomorrow?
People don't get endgamed when there are multiple endings to be had.

[Nachomamma8]

I'll refute inHim's stuff tomorrow...

[Nachomamma8]

SINGER.

DOCTOR PROTECTS FROM END OF THE DAY ACTIONS.

IT DOES NOT PROTECT FROM DAY VIG.

I GRANT YOU DAY VIG TOMORROW MORNING. WE SHOOT EACH OTHER. WE BOTH

IF YOU LYNCH ME.
THE SCUM SERAPHS WILL KILL YOU WITH A LIGHTNING BOLT SINCE THEY CAN GAIN ALL THE FAITH THEY WANT.
OR THEY WILL COME DOWN TO EARTH AND QUICKLYNCH YOU WITH INHIM.
SINCE THERE'S NOTHING ANYONE CAN DO BUT LET THE SERAPHS GAIN FAITH.

[Nachomamma8]

1662:

First of all, I will make rebuttals to what has been said in regards to my role, but for now I only have the time to convince you NOT to follow this plan.

What happened to this, Nixon?

The SK is making the plan, not the town member and

SCUM

. But, the MOST concerning thing is that you have to make damned sure it's not a trick, and that, you know, don't kill me.

Don't let him get away with claiming survivor when he is still a claimed and confirmed demon.

b)You're trusting the Doc protect to save you when we've already seen that Unstoppable is a grantable order. c)If he's not Unstoppable... Reflector.

Okay, so I thought it would be apparent that I can only copy holy orders that have already been used, and I can only do that once a day. If it wasn't so, why would I wait so long to take a dayvig shot? Why wouldn't I just copy Decision and end the game now? Why don't I scum bolt one of you? You know I have plenty of faith, enough to grant a doctor and look at the scum's faith level. Why don't I break out all those game-breaking orders that hito was talking about?

e)Specially-tailored? That's a crock line imo.

Of course it is. It was a joke.

)Players in the first edition of this game could not be targeted by the same player granting Orders more than once. So you'd get the doc, not the vig and you're still dead.

Players in the first game couldn't use the same order twice.
I obviously have that ability, since I granted a doctor to singersinger (surely you didn't think i was automatically nightkill-immune. you gotta work for them, baby).
I don't have the same limits the town and demon seraphs do, in other words.

h)Simultaneously winning? BULLSHIT. He's just trying to get to 1-1 with town and win.

...
...
this is EXACTLY what inHim is trying to pull...

[Nachomamma8]

#1675:

singer, do you have a dayvig yet? Why do you think you'll get one? I'm still pretty convinced Nacho has given himself Unstoppable, which would seal the deal on your protect. Would be more dependable if he had given you a roleblock. There's too many holes in this.

Note how he HASNT EVEN POINTED OUT THE HOLES YET.

As for my role, what does Scum Seraph faith prove? I guess if we stall enough they could come back to the game, but it'd be pretty obv... What condemnation is there? Wild speculation?

Well let's see.
The Scum Seraphs are players too, remember. Their wincondition in MoHo was "You win when it is no longer possible to prevent Demons from being the only living players". The Righteous win condition hasn't changed, so I doubt the demon win condition has. Meaning that as long as inHim remains in the game, the Scum Seraphs still have a chance of winning, meaning that the game won't end until they are gone. And the only way we can get rid of them is by making their win condition impossible and getting rid of inHim.

Read Nacho. He's desperate. He has placed his vote, he's getting worried. Just think things through for a second.

I've placed my vote because I've found an opportunity for a joint win, and because I don't believe you at all. YOU'RE the one who's desperate. YOU'RE the one who is just sitting in the background, mumbling "don't trust Nacho". YOU'RE the one who's still sitting the fence, NOT VOTING, and yet clearly pushing one lynch over the other. YOU'RE the desperate one.

singer, I don't envy your position one bit. I won't be angry, as from your viewpoint it's a matter of PMs and role mechanics. I WILL be disappointed in my loss. If you wish to look back and see if I was acting like I knew Ray, Fate, and/or Kitoari were my partners, I'll answer any questions you have.

RAY FATE AND KITOARI WERE YOUR PARTNERS.
WHAT EVEN IS THIS?

Bravo on deciding this Today! I'll tell you something else, if Nacho had the Faith to dayvig someone like the scum did, one of us would already be dead. He's going to spend all that faith on killing you, not granting you a dayvig, ya think?

I don't even understand this. You already know I have the means to kill people during the day. Unless you're denying that I shot RayFrost? So all I have to spend my remaining faith on is granting singersinger a dayvig...

[Nachomamma8]

It doesn't apply to me.

I have granted myself two orders (doctor + dayvig), so I'm sure I can grant you two orders as well.

[Nachomamma8]

I can't use the same order once per day, and I already granted the dayvig on myself.

[Nachomamma8]

Because my ability is to quote evidence of non-VT activity posted by the mod, and I can copy orders based on that. Evidence of the dayvig only happened today.

[Nachomamma8]

Okay. Basically, my ability is to steal one Holy order from the Seraphs per day.
I steal by quoting evidence OF holy orders; for example, I quoted Jack's flip to get the dayvig.
I have no limit on number of holy orders per day, or who I use it on.
I cannot use the same order once per day.

Does that clarify things?

[Nachomamma8]

Because an SK with two kills is a hell of a lot better than an SK with one.

[Nachomamma8]

My plan was to not get lynched, and daykill whoever remained.

[Nachomamma8]

I found a loophole that let me win with town.

[Nachomamma8]

Us both killing each other at the same time = simultaneous victory.

Because it's a tradeoff. You take a leap of faith and trust me, I give you a win for your effort.
I also have much <3 for Hito and his posting as Seraph.

[Nachomamma8]

inHim.
The Scum Seraphs don't count as demons for their win condition. Otherwise, we could lynch everyone except for Righteous and still not win until Scum Seraphs used Trump Card.
So try again.

[Nachomamma8]

<3 HITO

I was going to appoint myself a doublevoter for the doublevoting, daykilling, self-protecting SK win, but I wanted to feel like a townie again...

[Nachomamma8]

Magua, I could use orders as many times as I'd like.
I couldn't use the same order more than once per day, though.

[Nachomamma8]

This is a bit late, but needed to be said anyways.

First off, I really enjoyed the game, all things said and done. I thought that Kennedy beating Nixon by gaining the trust of the people was a pretty badass endgame even if singer DID draw things out a lot. Also, Athiest winning with the town after the town's gods were gone fit pretty well too .

Sorry Vi for the unintended ending... I don't think that you made a mistake in allowing it to happen at all. It would've reflected on you terribly as a moderator had you just said "well, I didn't want this ending so let me fix the rules so it's not possible anymore." The loophole in win conditions was based on a pretty much impossible situation, so I don't think that was really a significant oversight. I mean, what were the chances of the SK surviving until endgame with one scum, one town, and himself after already using his shot out of necessity to make MyLo into LyLo while sitting on a shitload of faith to use, where all three alignments are outed and thus he's forced to find a way to help the town win with him, and is willing to let the town win with him? I seriously don't think anyone could've predicted that >.>

As far as Seraph play goes, I was really, really disappointed about the halos. I was excited about getting the Halos because I thought they would be used more, and I could inspire a bit of a halo arms race between Town and Scum by spamming the things. But then, no one used any halos, and my ability became useless...

Rhinox kill was because I was planning on lurking and his LW2 comment made him seem like he was going to be on guard for that.
Fate kill was for self-preservation the first time, and then I had to kill him because he was too townie to be living on D4.

[Nachomamma8]

You were getting into the swing of things at the end of day and I didn't want to have to deal with an aggressive town AGar.