Mafia of the Chosen Ones (Game Over!)

inHimshallibe · Post Post #87 (isolation #0) » Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:13 pm

Wait what the hell.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #100 (isolation #1) » Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:21 pm

Andrius wrote:Inhim/Nixon.
We quicklynched vezok as a half-policy lynch and half-get 100 faith for the seraphs.

EVERYONE ON THE LYNCH GETS A MINIMUM TWO-DAY PASS.

TOWN
FATE
AGM
ANDRIUS
THE GUY THAT VOTED JACK FOR 22

EXCOMMUNICATE THESE BASTARDS
MAGUA
MOTHRAX

inHimshallibe · Post Post #105 (isolation #2) » Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:24 pm

Agreed.

VOTE: MAGUA

inHimshallibe · Post Post #109 (isolation #3) » Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:25 pm

NIXONFACE DEMANDS THIS OF MAGUA:

Why no vote in that first post?

inHimshallibe · Post Post #118 (isolation #4) » Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:32 pm

SCUM ABSOLUTELY DO PROOFREAD

inHimshallibe · Post Post #119 (isolation #5) » Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:33 pm

Magua wrote:
inHimshallibe wrote:Agreed.

VOTE: MAGUA
Your "EVERYONE ON THE LYNCH GETS A MINIMUM TWO-DAY PASS." does not appear to have lasted two days.

I'm sorry.

EVERYONE ON THE LYNCH BUT MAGUA GETS A MINIMUM TWO-DAY PASS.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #123 (isolation #6) » Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:35 pm

Equinox wrote:Guderian: I was referring to your blanket statement of "ridiculous/scummy," which was an
oversimplification
of the scenario I presented in the first quote there. Neither of those actions can be described as ridiculous.

Kitoari: Yeah, I probably should go back to logical-Equinox mode at some point.

Guderian oversimplified? EXCOMMUNICATION

inHimshallibe · Post Post #124 (isolation #7) » Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:35 pm

Magua wrote:
inHimshallibe wrote:I'm sorry.

EVERYONE ON THE LYNCH BUT MAGUA GETS A MINIMUM TWO-DAY PASS.
Apology accepted.

inHimshallibe wrote:NIXONFACE DEMANDS THIS OF MAGUA:

Why no vote in that first post?
I had a vote in my first post. It was for Jack. Do you wish to adjust your question?

DO YOU WISH TO ACTUALLY ADMIT YOU KNOW WHAT THE HELL I'M TALKING ABOUT?

inHimshallibe · Post Post #126 (isolation #8) » Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:37 pm

ITG Nixon shows why he sweated in that debate with JFK. Rage.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #128 (isolation #9) » Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:40 pm

Magua wrote:
Equinox wrote:Dessert:

Why go back to random/arbitrary voting?
Who said anything about random/arbitrary?

inHimshallibe wrote:DO YOU WISH TO ACTUALLY ADMIT YOU KNOW WHAT THE HELL I'M TALKING ABOUT?
No. I want you to explain what you're talking about so that I don't have to make (possibly erroneous) judgments about what you might be talking about.

Right.

In your first post after coming back to the thread FUCK THIS LET'S RAGE.

WHAT ERRONEOUS JUDGMENTS COULD YOU POSSIBLY MAKE

inHimshallibe · Post Post #132 (isolation #10) » Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:43 pm

Waste will be lain in the name of NIXON.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #134 (isolation #11) » Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:47 pm

Kitoari wrote:
Vi wrote:I'm doing this thing called "going to sleep"
BLASPHEMY

inHim vs. magua is interesting.

What is interesting about it. Don't just say things.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #140 (isolation #12) » Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:55 pm

Magua wrote:
inHimshallibe wrote:In your first post after coming back to the thread FUCK THIS LET'S RAGE.

inHimshallibe wrote:WHAT ERRONEOUS JUDGMENTS COULD YOU POSSIBLY MAKE
Well, obviously I could assume you meant my first post,

Why in God's name would you assume this? DON'T YOU DARE SAY IT WAS A HOLY ORDER.

rather than the first post after there were already 12 people voting for vezok, which, after all, was my second post.

OK, if you weren't just trying to act like a smartass you might CORRECTLY DEDUCE (as opposed to asininely say you assume) that I was talking about the post in which you did not vote, which would be why I asked why you did not vote.

I could also assume that there's a problem with your caps lock key. Perhaps you're using Andrius' keyboard?

Nixon wasn't much for laffs.

Footnote for town seraphs: Assuming you're full on faith right now, Neighborizer would be a great power to bestow at this point. Used correctly, incredibly useful, but not a huge loss if the target is lynched or dies.

Don't like this much at all either. Not a cop?

inHimshallibe · Post Post #154 (isolation #13) » Wed Jan 12, 2011 5:10 pm

Magua wrote:
Equinox wrote:
Magua wrote:Who said anything about random/arbitrary?
You went back to your original vote of Jack with the same reason you used for your page 1 RVS vote, so I wondered why you chose to go back to that when Day 2 started.
Who said my first vote was random or arbitrary?

inHimshallibe wrote:Why in God's name would you assume this? DON'T YOU DARE SAY IT WAS A HOLY ORDER.
Because that is how I read it the first time.

OK, if you weren't just trying to act like a smartass you might CORRECTLY DEDUCE (as opposed to asininely say you assume) that I was talking about the post in which you did not vote, which would be why I asked why you did not vote.
At that point, I figured if you couldn't be bothered to ask me a full question, you weren't too interested.

inHimshallibe wrote:
Magua wrote:Footnote for town seraphs: Assuming you're full on faith right now, Neighborizer would be a great power to bestow at this point. Used correctly, incredibly useful, but not a huge loss if the target is lynched or dies.
Don't like this much at all either. Not a cop?
1) In MoHO, cop cost 135 faith, which would take almost two weeks to build back up to. Neighborizer was 70, which is rebuilt in 5 days.
2) Given that each order can be used once, and assuming that the seraphs do not have any strong townreads, too much of a risk that you give the only cop to a scum.
3) Better to give out doctor first, then cop, then tell doctor who cop is via one of the communication orders.

unvote
VOTE: GUDERIAN

inHimshallibe · Post Post #156 (isolation #14) » Wed Jan 12, 2011 5:11 pm

MAGUA HAS APPEASED NIXON.

I particularly liked that you spelled out your setup advice. The other stuff is just as easily town/scum.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #157 (isolation #15) » Wed Jan 12, 2011 5:12 pm

Guderian wrote:Anyways, back to game material.
Fos
Kitoari

Half his posts/ reads have been entirely non-committal.

Have no fear if you want to bus a buddy go ahead.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #161 (isolation #16) » Wed Jan 12, 2011 5:16 pm

Guderian wrote:Have no fear to start making sense.

Qualify this statement.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #170 (isolation #17) » Wed Jan 12, 2011 5:22 pm

Kitoari wrote:
Guderian wrote:Anyways, back to game material.
Fos
Kitoari

Half his posts/ reads have been entirely non-committal.
I want to vote gude so bad for this post.

But then he shall accuse me of omgus. But if I don't vote then I'm being noncommittal.
Hmm.

VOTE: Guderian

Dear Satan,

I know you're a right clever bastard and would be a fair challenge in a battle against this Town. I mildly regret your chosen minions wear neon spandex and stick out like Reckamonic at an Tea Party meeting.

If you ever want to try again, we've done told you once, you son of a bitch, we're the best there's ever been.

In Him,
inHim

inHimshallibe · Post Post #173 (isolation #18) » Wed Jan 12, 2011 5:24 pm

Guderian wrote:inhim, explain your inconsistency.

NOT ENOUGH FIBER. IT ISN'T ALL RAGE ALL THE TIME.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #176 (isolation #19) » Wed Jan 12, 2011 5:29 pm

Equinox wrote:Did I just see a slip on page 1? Coolio.

Equinox was the first to point this out, and so he is the only one that gets the credit for it. Sorry Guderian, day late and a dollar short and all.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #179 (isolation #20) » Wed Jan 12, 2011 5:33 pm

Andrius wrote:inHim isn't guaranteed town, Gud.
He is, however, not much of a threat, because of his massive love of Fate and I. /no offense inHimske.

I missed the guarandamnteed town list by about three hours, methinks.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #181 (isolation #21) » Wed Jan 12, 2011 5:35 pm

Equinox wrote:
inHimshallibe wrote:
Equinox wrote:Did I just see a slip on page 1? Coolio.
Equinox was the first to point this out, and so he is the only one that gets the credit for it. Sorry Guderian, day late and a dollar short and all.
You called Guderian town for his move earlier today, though; what changed?

I meant you.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #184 (isolation #22) » Wed Jan 12, 2011 5:45 pm

Equinox wrote:Apparently, I'm misunderstanding something here, then. Clarify/correct it for me, please?

As I understand post 100, you believe Guderian's vote for Jack in post 69 to be a town move, since you put him under your town list. In post 176, you say Guderian doesn't get the credit for calling out Jack because I did it first; however, you gave him that credit in post 100. What changed?

I could not remember who the first person to call out what they believed to be a slip by Jack and my left pinky was getting a little itchy. As a placeholder I put the person who voted for Jack instead of Equinox. Should've been you from the start.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #185 (isolation #23) » Wed Jan 12, 2011 5:47 pm

inHimshallibe wrote:
Equinox wrote:Apparently, I'm misunderstanding something here, then. Clarify/correct it for me, please?

As I understand post 100, you believe Guderian's vote for Jack in post 69 to be a town move, since you put him under your town list. In post 176, you say Guderian doesn't get the credit for calling out Jack because I did it first; however, you gave him that credit in post 100. What changed?
I could not remember who the first person to call out what they believed to be a slip by Jack and my left pinky was getting a little itchy. As a placeholder I put the person who voted for Jack instead of Equinox. Should've been you from the start.

I blame whoever didn't correct me immediately so I could go "Guderian? Fuck no. The one who said something first."

inHimshallibe · Post Post #191 (isolation #24) » Wed Jan 12, 2011 6:04 pm

omg slip

inHimshallibe · Post Post #202 (isolation #25) » Wed Jan 12, 2011 6:14 pm

mothrax wrote:@Kat: are you kidding? You arent goign to read an 8 page game?

@andy: lol, srs bzns.

Forced.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #204 (isolation #26) » Wed Jan 12, 2011 6:16 pm

Andrius wrote:Kat I'll do it later.
Read Fate's posts though. You should get the reference.

VASUDEVA IS IN THIS GAME.

@ mothrax: It is srs bsns. We be lynchin scum.

Wasn't lynched D1. Town win amirite?

inHimshallibe · Post Post #214 (isolation #27) » Wed Jan 12, 2011 6:20 pm

mothrax wrote:@Equi: he goes from "everyone on the vezok wagon gets a two day pass" to naming two players as scum, both of whom were on the vezok wagon.

dude

inHimshallibe · Post Post #223 (isolation #28) » Wed Jan 12, 2011 6:25 pm

mothrax wrote:
Equinox wrote:
mothrax wrote:@Equi: he goes from "everyone on the vezok wagon gets a two day pass" to naming two players as scum, both of whom were on the vezok wagon.
Well, yeah. I guess I should've have phrased it better:

Who do you think is more likely to make that kind of inconsistency, town or scum, and why?
scum. I have little experience with Magua but I know part of my reputation onsite is as an easy mislynch. With no evidence or reason he lists me as scum, excluding me from a group he just called town. ~Thats a scum move to me.

Oh bullshit. I didn't call the entire vezok lynch Town. I was expressing my pleasure with the result.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #226 (isolation #29) » Wed Jan 12, 2011 6:29 pm

mothrax wrote:
inHimshallibe wrote:
Andrius wrote:Inhim/Nixon.
We quicklynched vezok as a half-policy lynch and half-get 100 faith for the seraphs.

EVERYONE ON THE LYNCH GETS A MINIMUM TWO-DAY PASS.

TOWN
FATE
AGM
ANDRIUS
THE GUY THAT VOTED JACK FOR 22

EXCOMMUNICATE THESE BASTARDS
MAGUA
MOTHRAX
bolded for emphasis. Forgive me, you didn't say they were town, it was just heavily implied.

I've certainly garnered enough snark out of you to make some conclusions.

Now someone tell me if mothrax is snarky town.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #228 (isolation #30) » Wed Jan 12, 2011 6:31 pm

VasudeVa wrote:Best 9 pages I have ever read.

*thumbs up on the Vezok PL*.
---

Scum: Mothrax and Guderian.

Vote: Guderian

I am fine with killing both.

Praise be.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #232 (isolation #31) » Wed Jan 12, 2011 6:35 pm

"Mothrax is snarky when he is enjoying himself, regardless of allignment."

inHimshallibe · Post Post #235 (isolation #32) » Wed Jan 12, 2011 6:39 pm

mothrax wrote:*grudgingly gives inhim + points then goes to bed.*

Yesssssssssss.

OK. Now that mothrax doesn't think his talk with me was indicative of him being Town, I've decided I'm comfortable of his death.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #239 (isolation #33) » Wed Jan 12, 2011 6:46 pm

Fate wrote:OH HAI KATSUKI AND VV.

LOOK AT ALL THE DELICIOUS CONTENT.

KITOARI IS BASICALLY CONFIRMED SCUM WITH GUDERIAN.

MOTHRAX IS INDEED MUCH TOWNIER THAN WHEN HE WAS A SCUMBAG THREE GAMES IN A ROW.

Should I have included your name in my letter? We can send a postcard with your name on it.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #243 (isolation #34) » Wed Jan 12, 2011 6:49 pm

Fate wrote:
inHimshallibe wrote:
Fate wrote:OH HAI KATSUKI AND VV.

LOOK AT ALL THE DELICIOUS CONTENT.

KITOARI IS BASICALLY CONFIRMED SCUM WITH GUDERIAN.

MOTHRAX IS INDEED MUCH TOWNIER THAN WHEN HE WAS A SCUMBAG THREE GAMES IN A ROW.
Should I have included your name in my letter? We can send a postcard with your name on it.
ok so you don't want to touch Kitoari for two days blah blah blah.

THAT SAID WHO I WOULDN;T BE SURPRISED IF HE WAS DEAD TONIGHT *HINT FUCKING HINT*

I'm all for positive stimuli (living because you lynched vezok in epic quickness) but Nixon is a bloodthirsty motherfucker imo.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #247 (isolation #35) » Wed Jan 12, 2011 6:52 pm

Andrius wrote:Fate didn't lynch vezok.
He arrived AFTER the wagon was led and the charge made.

I agree. I give AGM credit for stimulus and you credit for impetus.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #249 (isolation #36) » Wed Jan 12, 2011 6:57 pm

Andrius wrote:Huh. Fate makes a good point though; scum would have to be here to submit a kill and unless they EXPECTED a quicklynch D1 then someone on the lynch later on (probably around the time I got there and whipped it into something fatal) sent in a proxy NK. (on a shitty target too)

Impetus. Nice word.

The next question is do you expect this person to be in-thread or staying as far as bloody hell away?

inHimshallibe · Post Post #251 (isolation #37) » Wed Jan 12, 2011 7:00 pm

Guderian, mothrax, Baby Spice, Magua

Voters after Andriysteria.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #253 (isolation #38) » Wed Jan 12, 2011 7:30 pm

Active since start of game, yet to post here:
AGar
Nachomamma8

Not around at all:
Furcolow
singersigner
Empking

Milling about during the push:
Andrius
Kitoari
AGM
Equinox
those voters

WELL LOOK AT THE TIMING OF THIS MOFO:
RayFrost

All in all, nothing stands out besides my thinking that we can possibly clear a big chunk of people if we find a scum in the "milling about" section.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #271 (isolation #39) » Thu Jan 13, 2011 3:06 am

gg Rhinox

inHimshallibe · Post Post #274 (isolation #40) » Thu Jan 13, 2011 4:28 am

gg vezok

inHimshallibe · Post Post #285 (isolation #41) » Thu Jan 13, 2011 9:05 am

Andrius wrote:Feeling no remorse for vezok though. XD
*high-5's inHim*

@ Magua: Based on the last game, if there ARE multiple scum factions that CAN fuse then they already have. First thing I would've done as SS. So yeah. All scum are probably one big group.

^5, but don't go playing mind games with me, Andy. You know what you've done.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #287 (isolation #42) » Thu Jan 13, 2011 9:38 am

Andrius wrote:
inHimshallibe wrote:^5, but don't go playing mind games with me, Andy. You know what you've done.

I'm confused.

There's no need to be giving certain suggestions. Hush-hush.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #339 (isolation #43) » Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:40 am

Nachomamma8 wrote:ANDRIUS IM SORRY I COULDNT BE THERE FOR YOU

I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR YOU, SLIMY KENNEDY.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #343 (isolation #44) » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:04 am

VasudeVa wrote:
Magua wrote:@VasudeVa: Do you think they're partners?
Right now I do. Why do you ask? Are we against 2 scumteams or something?

PS: RF is FoS worthy right about now.
Also, I'm not used to seeing an active inHim.
o.O

New job.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #344 (isolation #45) » Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:28 am

inHimshallibe wrote:
Nachomamma8 wrote:ANDRIUS IM SORRY I COULDNT BE THERE FOR YOU
I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR YOU, SLIMY KENNEDY.

And by this I mean you're a dirty Catholic from New England, but also Town.

RayFrost seems fine, I like my townies concerned, brows furrowed. BROWS FURROWED, I SAID.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #378 (isolation #46) » Fri Jan 14, 2011 11:11 am

Limited Access over the weekend. Should be able to check, just less so.

GAWD PEOPLE POST. I HAVE TOWNREADS AND I HAVE SCUMREADS AND THEN I HAVE PUKEREADS.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #494 (isolation #47) » Sat Jan 15, 2011 6:29 pm

...

inHimshallibe · Post Post #496 (isolation #48) » Sat Jan 15, 2011 6:35 pm

DEAL.

vote: Kitoari

inHimshallibe · Post Post #502 (isolation #49) » Sat Jan 15, 2011 7:30 pm

Jack wrote:Page 20, kit was supposed to be lynched by now.

I tried.

._.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #505 (isolation #50) » Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:49 pm

I've seen nothing indicating an "easy Katsuki-lynch" per se.

Maybe I'm just misremembering. Help me out a bit.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #514 (isolation #51) » Sat Jan 15, 2011 9:03 pm

nocaps threw me.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #536 (isolation #52) » Sun Jan 16, 2011 4:48 am

gg Equinox

inHimshallibe · Post Post #539 (isolation #53) » Sun Jan 16, 2011 4:53 am

inHimshallibe wrote:
Kitoari wrote:
Guderian wrote:Anyways, back to game material.
Fos
Kitoari

Half his posts/ reads have been entirely non-committal.
I want to vote gude so bad for this post.

But then he shall accuse me of omgus. But if I don't vote then I'm being noncommittal.
Hmm.

VOTE: Guderian
Dear Satan,

I know you're a right clever bastard and would be a fair challenge in a battle against this Town. I mildly regret your chosen minions wear neon spandex and stick out like Reckamonic at an Tea Party meeting.

If you ever want to try again, we've done told you once, you son of a bitch, we're the best there's ever been.

In Him,
inHim

Just to let you guys know, I got a letter in the mail this morning.

Satan wrote: Dear inHim,

<3,
Satan

THE USPS DOESN'T RUN ON SUNDAYS SO I KNOW A DEMON DELIVERED IT TO ME.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #541 (isolation #54) » Sun Jan 16, 2011 4:57 am

VasudeVa wrote:Hmmm. Kito's lynch definitely brings some stuff on the table.

What do you guys think of the smoke on Magua's #526? I'm thinking that ye gods are telling us something.

The first stuff brought to the table would be why you weren't on the lynch.

I guess if Magua turns out to be scum, you have a sorta good reason. I GUESS. As for the smoke, was that determined to be a form of communication from the Good Gods in MOHO? I'm not going to go back and read it today, so it'd be cool if someone just said Yes/No.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #544 (isolation #55) » Sun Jan 16, 2011 5:18 am

Alright, I'm going to take that as a Town Seraph deal. Don't disagree with it.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #573 (isolation #56) » Sun Jan 16, 2011 1:26 pm

didn't vote earlier. my b.

vote: guderian

[/nixon in a car, nixon voting from afar]

inHimshallibe · Post Post #709 (isolation #57) » Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:15 am

AlmasterGM wrote:
CATCHUP PART I

Kitoari calling inHimshallibe vs Magua "interesting" with no comment is a great way to appear involved but not do anything. Since he later flipped scum instead of pushing a side, I'd bet one of inHim and Magua is scum.

No points for me bringing this up?

I don't like the inHim backs off Magua in #156...maybe they are both scum?

He said what he needed to say, ie answer me with words and not cries of anguish, along with explaining his ideas for the setup in a very obvious, clear way. I've been really bad about tunneling, trying to fix that.

In fact, this whole page is just a giant buddying circlejerk between Katsuki, Andrius, and inhim.

Very strongly disagree with this.

mothrax bring's up inHim's "townlist" again. inHim says it was just an expression of pleasure with the lynch result. The more I think about this, the lest I like it. First, the list of people selected appears totally random. Why are the first people on the wagon any more likely to be town? Second, the "expressing pleasure" excuse seems like it was made up afterwards. If you want to express pleasure, you could just YELL IN ALL CAPS LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE. You don't need to buddy up with a townlist.

Totally random? No, they're townreads. The first people on the wagon are more likely to be town in quicklynch scenarios. Scum are gonna spread out and try to avoid getting caught in some awkward back-down if the wagon loses steam. When you've got people screaming for the policy lynch, it then becomes much easier to jump on.

Fate/Jack calling the Kitoari scum right now gives them massive town points, because they could have just gone straightup for Guderian.

Oof, and me calling Kitoari scum three pages earlier isn't worth something? Work with me just a little bit.

inHim shows up and does nothing, sup scum.

Come on now, stop looking through the wrong lenses. I gave my thoughts on RayFrost (town because of his concern re: quicklynches and getting enough information out of days) and you agree with them. No comment from you disappoints me.

I'll finish later, but right now...

TOWN
AlmasterGM
Fate
Jack

PROBTOWN
RayFrost
mothrax
Guderian

NULL
AGar
Nachomamma8
VasudeVa
SingerSinger
Furcolow

QUESTIONABLE INDIVIDUALS
Andrius
Baby Spice
Katsuki

SCUM
Empking
inHimshallibe
Magua

I have no clue how you get Andrius as QI, and def disagreed with all three of your scumpicks. I'd like current reads, please and thanks.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #710 (isolation #58) » Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:19 am

THIS inHim vote is OFF. You quote as Magua/Kitoari and then vote GuderiaN? HRMMMM

Porque no? I guess I could've voted Kitoari there, but I made it pretty clear I thought they were scumpeas in a scumpod, and Guderian was there to push my buttons. He drew the wrath.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #721 (isolation #59) » Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:28 am

Magua's take on VV is Town, caught him trying to have his cake and eat it, too.

vote: VasudeVa

inHimshallibe · Post Post #742 (isolation #60) » Tue Jan 18, 2011 6:41 pm

LIFE LIST AKA IT TAKES NINE TO TANGO:
Magua
Fate
Andrius
AlmasterGM
RayFrost
Furcolow
Jack
mothrax

DEATH LIST AKA LET GOD SORT 'EM OUT:
VasudeVa
Katsuki
Baby Spice
singersigner
Nachomamma8

The DEATH LIST is the collection of players that I can't remember have said anything of town worth. Regrettably, this may mean I have to vote for Kennedy.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #750 (isolation #61) » Tue Jan 18, 2011 6:58 pm

THE FINE PRINT:
Magua - he and I have chatted a lot and I feel confident his answers to me are Town.
Fate - picking up a lot of steam. Eagerly awaiting Katsuki komments. Need more Fate-cases imo.
Andrius - major driving force D1, been giving a lot of reread and rehash effort.
AlmasterGM - I disagree with a lot of his reads, but his game-opening posts screamed Town to the highest of heights. Would like full caught-up thoughts from him.
RayFrost - playing concerned, doesn't read forced, reads as Town combing through the thread. Really like his "Andrius on the slippery slope" comments.
Furcolow - That wall he gave us as his entrance to the game is not scum behavior. Scum behavior is "hurhur will catch up" ad infinitum.
Jack - Suggested the Faith boost from quicklynches. Liked his comments on mothrax and Kitoari. Disagree with his Magua read, but not letting Magua off easily, so Town.
mothrax - Definitely agree this is much different from his scum games. Would like more from him.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #754 (isolation #62) » Tue Jan 18, 2011 7:00 pm

Andrius wrote:I agree with this list. But Nacho should be higher than 5 i think.

I typed them as I remembered them, so maybe that's more damning.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #764 (isolation #63) » Tue Jan 18, 2011 7:09 pm

Fate wrote:INHIM I RARELY MAKE CASES AND WHEN I DO YOU SHOULD SHEEP THEM.

WHERE THE HELL IS YOUR VOTE AT?

LOL THEY'RE NOT MY GRANDDADDY'S CASES, BUT I KNOW 'EM WHEN I SEE 'EM. THEY'RE WHAT MAKE YOU WHO YOU ARE.

YOUR FURC-GF == ANDY SCUM IS ICONIC OF YOUR TOWN PLAY.

MY VOTE IS ON VV.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #775 (isolation #64) » Tue Jan 18, 2011 7:16 pm

Fate wrote:WELL IT BETTER GODDAMN BE ON FURC+ANDY COMBOTOMBO HERE.

I SWEAR ANYONE WHO READS THESE PAGES AND DOESN'T MOVE THEIR VOTE TO FURC IS LOSING THEIR TOWN READ.

INHIM YOURS IS GONE.

ESPECIALLY SINCE YOU SAID "LOL FATE LOOK HOW TOWN YOU ARE" AND NOT "WELL THIS IS WHAT I THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU SAID"

INHIM DIES THIRD.

Welp. Let me try what you suggested.

What you said about Furcolow and making connections with living players and not dead ones is what I've come to expect from your gunslinging, game-saving attitude. You don't care about finding one scum at a time, you want the whole damn enchilada.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #777 (isolation #65) » Tue Jan 18, 2011 7:17 pm

inHimshallibe wrote:
Fate wrote:WELL IT BETTER GODDAMN BE ON FURC+ANDY COMBOTOMBO HERE.

I SWEAR ANYONE WHO READS THESE PAGES AND DOESN'T MOVE THEIR VOTE TO FURC IS LOSING THEIR TOWN READ.

INHIM YOURS IS GONE.

ESPECIALLY SINCE YOU SAID "LOL FATE LOOK HOW TOWN YOU ARE" AND NOT "WELL THIS IS WHAT I THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU SAID"

INHIM DIES THIRD.
Welp. Let me try what you suggested.

What you said about Furcolow and making connections with living players and not dead ones is what I've come to expect from your gunslinging, game-saving attitude. You don't care about finding one scum at a time, you want the whole damn enchilada.

This is to say, you made just as much a deal about Furcolow and Andrius (and me) as you did with Furcolow, Kitoari, and Guderian.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #783 (isolation #66) » Tue Jan 18, 2011 7:22 pm

Fate wrote:
inHimshallibe wrote:
Fate wrote:WELL IT BETTER GODDAMN BE ON FURC+ANDY COMBOTOMBO HERE.

I SWEAR ANYONE WHO READS THESE PAGES AND DOESN'T MOVE THEIR VOTE TO FURC IS LOSING THEIR TOWN READ.

INHIM YOURS IS GONE.

ESPECIALLY SINCE YOU SAID "LOL FATE LOOK HOW TOWN YOU ARE" AND NOT "WELL THIS IS WHAT I THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU SAID"

INHIM DIES THIRD.
Welp. Let me try what you suggested.

What you said about Furcolow and making connections with living players and not dead ones is what I've come to expect from your gunslinging, game-saving attitude. You don't care about finding one scum at a time, you want the whole damn enchilada.
THATS WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT ME.

YOU ALREADY KNOW IM TOWN YOU SCUMBAG.

TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THE IMPLICATIONS OF WHAT I'VE FUCKING SAID.

BUT NO YOU'RE TAKING NO STANCE.

ANDRIUS WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WITH INHIM IN YOUR FUCKIN SCUM QT?

Welp. Let me try what you suggested.

What you have implied toward Andrius I will fully endorse, IF Furcolow flips as scum. I don't think the Andrius-hate is deserved, I think his play mimics a lot of other Townies to have walked through your crosshairs. I wouldn't classify Andrius' behavior as fence-sitting.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #786 (isolation #67) » Tue Jan 18, 2011 7:48 pm

My main issue with Fate's wall on Furc is the issue Fate has with Furc changing his mind, which I find to be a refreshing and transparent Town approach. If you're going to pin it on abusing his meta, you have to call this a policy lynch, and I think a vig shot is more satisfying. A policy lynch in the middle of Day Four will only encourage lazy scum (LOOKING AT YOU VV AND KATSUKI) to continue being lazy and for active scum to not have to be responsible for anything but Furc's own VI/troll behavior.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #787 (isolation #68) » Tue Jan 18, 2011 7:50 pm

inHimshallibe wrote:which I find to be a refreshing and transparent Town approach.

In reference to Furc.

And now LIGHT BULB, I understand what you all are getting at. Furc changing reads might not be because of Town that isn't afraid of what he's doing, but could be a direct result of his previous behavior. OK, I see what you're saying, but it still goes back to the policy lynch vs. just have him vigged if you're so concerned about him.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #800 (isolation #69) » Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:24 am

Actually, I need a quick revision - if Furcolow is GF, I'll gladly lynch Andrius. If Furcolow is scum but NOT GF, one of Andrius/Fate is most certainly scum, and I think it's Fate, as he's using the meta/policy-case as a bus.

That said, I still don't think Furcolow is anything but Incorrect Town.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #802 (isolation #70) » Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:09 am

ss is certainly making up for me not remembering her earlier.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #804 (isolation #71) » Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:33 am

FTR, I'd rather not push the hypothetical much further. Might be Fate's cup-o-tea, not mine. Right now I read them both as Town, and that is what is important.

I want to read some interactions with Kitoari. I also have some work to do and other games, so this could very well have to wait until tonight.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #823 (isolation #72) » Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:25 pm

No movement to VV whatsoever. Disconcerting. Katsuki doesn't seem any better or any worse of a wagon if they're both town.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #825 (isolation #73) » Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:38 pm

Magua wrote:
inHimshallibe wrote:No movement to VV whatsoever. Disconcerting.
Why is it disconcerting? Wouldn't it be more disconcerting if there was a lot of movement towards it?

"This stall is telling..." is more along the lines of what I was meaning. Disconcerting because I have VV as scum.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #835 (isolation #74) » Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:56 am

This game is slowing down. DO NOT LIKE.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #836 (isolation #75) » Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:57 am

Baby Spice wrote:
Katsuki wrote: I better not have chosen the wrong game to piggyback on you, Fate.
Didn't you piggyback Fate in a recent game? Ironically as it turned out.

What does finding out the answer to this question tell you about Katsuki?

inHimshallibe · Post Post #842 (isolation #76) » Thu Jan 20, 2011 7:57 am

unvote: VasudeVa

Coming around on VV. In retrospect, his reasons for voting/pushing Magua are solid. Also don't like that Andy qualified his vote with "Of the top candidates..."

I MAY SEE THE LIGHT YET, INSTEAD OF RESTING ON MY LAURELS OF OUTDATED READS.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #849 (isolation #77) » Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:40 pm

Katsuki is a good lynch. We're getting close to optimal Day-length as well.

unvote
vote: Katsuki

Fate - I don't think Magua was ever calling you scum. This is a much worse thing overall for Magua, what with the discrediting but no scumread.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #886 (isolation #78) » Fri Jan 21, 2011 8:57 am

Hammertime.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #979 (isolation #79) » Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:28 am

Andrius is pretty much :confirmed: at this point.

Work is kicking my ass at the moment. WILL BE BACK SHORTLY.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #1038 (isolation #80) » Tue Jan 25, 2011 5:07 am

THE GODS HAVE HEARD OUR PRAYERS, AND ANDRIUS IS A WORTHY VESSEL FOR THE CAUSE.

I'll catch up today. Swearz.

inHimshallibe · Tue Jan 25, 2011 10:00 am

Baby Spice wrote:So we have still split groups and a scum vig

You're the SK, aren't you?

Coming around on this very possibility.

inHimshallibe · Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:38 am

Here's how I break down things from my POV:

From Town to Scum, in their various tiers:
inHim - ohai guize
Andrius - A WONDERFUL AND GLORIOUS SERVANT AND VESSEL
----
mothrax - Very Town looking over things between him and Fate.
RayFrost - His chatting with the Seraphs is A+++
----
Furcolow - I'd have him in the second tier with mothrax and RayFrost, but I have this slightest bit of paranoia about a Fate-bus.
Jack - Most recent posts read more like Jacktown, especially the bizarro stance on BabySpice.
Nachomamma8 - I had something to say about you but I forgot what it was. Will dig this up.
AlmasterGM - reads somewhat panicked and nervous after being called the most likely to be a Serial Killer by the Seraphs.

This leaves the following candidates I most want to lynch, from top to bottom:
singersigner
Baby Spice
VasudeVa

I'll be back sometime to fill in what I left out on Nacho and to tell you about the scum. Cheers.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #1156 (isolation #83) » Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:24 am

Well, hell. I guess I'll let VV off the chain for now. Really liked the last post.

I need to post more. I've been really busy.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #1158 (isolation #84) » Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:28 am

AlmasterGM wrote:
inHimshallibe wrote:Well, hell. I guess I'll let VV off the chain for now. Really liked the last post.

I need to post more. I've been really busy.
the fuck? are you serious? It didn't say anything that everybody didn't already know.

The part about my unvote. I liked that part.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #1257 (isolation #85) » Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:24 am

Vi wrote:
--- Andrius ---
Righteous

Neighborizer
--- Incinerated Day 5...

My brother! My... brother...

inHimshallibe · Post Post #1258 (isolation #86) » Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:26 am

Jack wrote:
vote:Almaster

I think he's actually mafia not sk. That hammer had all the looks of a "sacrifice myself to take out a townie" move and upon reread his complaining about being called the SK sounds people sound when they are accused of something completely false, but are nevertheless guilty (like the "Are joking? I'm CLEARLY not Chinese scum!" you get in multiscum games sometimes).

Him and singer are trying to distance too. Badly.

Woo Jack is town all hail Jack.

AAA+++ with the thoughts on AGM's hammer.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #1259 (isolation #87) » Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:26 am

Jack wrote:That makes Nacho the most likely SK I think. And he's the most likely to have missed sending in a kill.

^^^

inHimshallibe · Post Post #1260 (isolation #88) » Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:29 am

mothrax wrote:Was that a scumslip I read?!

vote furc

mothrax, I'mma let you finish, but no.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #1261 (isolation #89) » Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:30 am

singersigner wrote:Which reminds me, inHim, I don't recall you ever explaining why you thought Jack was town after I had asked you.

I probably didn't.

I rarely answer scum.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #1262 (isolation #90) » Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:32 am

singersigner wrote:
Nachomamma8 wrote:
singersinger wrote:I'ma ISO you, inHim, and Jack, cuz there's bound to be some scum there.
I thought you thought Jack was town.
ISOing people isn't indicative of alignment. Jack could show connections in a different way than just ISOing who I think is scum. He's in the three I haven't seen/heard a whole lot from, therefore I think it's worth looking over what he has to say.

Jack wrote:
singersigner wrote:Then I don't understand why we aren't more concerned with the SK.
You don't?
No I don't. The SK takes another target, and we can't count on them to target the common enemy (mafia). It seems as though there have been cases or allusions to AGM being either one of the SK or mafia...so my question is why wouldn't we take care of someone who's most like to benefit us one way or another, rather than a hit or miss target? Does anyone care to enlighten me on what I'm missing?

So, uh... your team is close to LyLo, eh.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #1263 (isolation #91) » Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:35 am

RayFrost wrote:
singersigner wrote:RF, vote on Furc was to get answers, not because I thought he was scummy.

There's probably more to respond to, but that'll have to wait.
I know. That's my issue. You voted
someone you thought was town
for information rather than
attempting to convince people to vote who you thought was scum
.

Was gonna answer the same but strong town Ray is bringing it home.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #1264 (isolation #92) » Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:37 am

VasudeVa wrote:I think we have 2 Mafia left, probably linked together now. 1SK, 2Shadow, 2Dark, 16 Town + 4 Seraphs sound about right.
We have to lynch correctly at least once today for us to have a fighting chance. Since we are probably at 6/2/1.

---

I have taken every lynch votal we have on Town and checked for opportunistic scum. I have deleted all of the dead people because...well who cares about dead people?

All ze Town Lynches.
Guderian (LYNCH) ~ Nachomamma8, mothrax, inHimshallibe, Jack, Furcolow
vezokpiraka (LYNCH) ~ AlmasterGM, Jack, mothrax,
Katsuki (LYNCH) ~ Jack, Nachomamma8, inHimshallibe, mothrax, Furcolow, RayFrost, VasudeVa
Baby Spice (LYNCH) ~ RayFrost, singersigner, VasudeVa, mothrax, AlmasterGM

mothrax appears on all four.
Jack is on three.
Nacho, inHim, Alm, Furc, Ray are on two.
Me and singersigner is on one.

There is also this on the VC VII:
Kitoari (LYNCH) ~ Jack, Nachomamma8, Furcolow, singersigner, inHimshallibe,
Guderian (L-6) ~ mothrax

Conclusion: Mothrax is 100% scum. Jack might be scum. singersigner could be Town, unfortunately.

Vote: Mothrax

X

inHimshallibe · Post Post #1265 (isolation #93) » Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:39 am

VasudeVa wrote:
It's pretty damnning if I do say so myself. He's the only one alive who was on a CLEAR counterwagon against Kitoscum.
AND he's damn oppurtinistic. I have already stated that his posts read like he's always positioning for the next mislynch. And I was right, he has always found a way to get on EVERY LYNCH WAGON we have on Town(Which is.....80% of them.)

I, on the other hand, was voting for Magua then. I also tunneled the fuck out of Magua for the majority of the game. Don't you think my buddies, especially with daytalk, would dissuade me from that?

I am only scum if I was scum with Fate. And Fate would 100% bus the hell out of me if I was scumbuddies with him. Read: DefconMafia.

This is a relevant point, though with a wrong conclusion imo. VV looking more town but less right by the minute.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #1267 (isolation #94) » Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:58 am

RayFrost wrote:Inhim. If you had to vote right now, who would you vote?

Not you, mothrax, Furc, or myself. These are my current "very town" reads.

So that leaves AGM, ss, Nacho, or VV. Not feeling VV or Jack right now due to major agreement/townness with their recent postings. Probably not Nacho if we didn't have an SK. I don't think he's mafia, none of his stuff looks like buddying, distancing, or bussing all that much.

So that leaves our top two candidates. Convenient.

I'd go with singersigner. I'm more convinced that she is Mafia and that AGM/Nacho are our SKs - which if it is AGM, he poorly attempted to frame someone else, likely Nacho, as Jack said.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #1270 (isolation #95) » Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:06 am

Hi Ray.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #1271 (isolation #96) » Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:06 am

The Word of Hito

Rayfrost wrote: Not voting SS at this time due to omfgL-1 if I do. I want to get some posties in this shiznizzle from the lot of you. Perhaps the seraphs can give us a sign.

A sign? Oh baby, I can do much better than that. <3

Honestly, I'm a little disappointed no one figured it out. (Well, presumably the scum, but no townies in thread.) I mentioned the one-order per person limit. We used appoint neighborizer on Andrius...so how could we commune him?

The answer is, we didn't commune him. We communed inHim (after confirming via other means that Andrius had neighborized him). Then we posted our message in our QT with inhim...who posted it in the quicktopic with Andrius...who posted it in thread.

Anyway, it seems Zach was on the money with his dissenting view on BS. We have to dance very carefully now, but we still have some tricks up our sleeves.

We've jus used a holy order called "Second Chance." It gives us two lynches today. Two glorious lynches before scum gets to night-kill inhim. As you can imagine, I am *excited*.

As a side note, this *would have* confirmed us as town, if inHim had showed up. We wrote this post about 5 and a half hours before the VC. Sadly inHim did not post it...however, we're leaving it unedited in the QT, to prove to him we're the town seraphs. So, on an inHim townflip, we're town, but until then, we're not confirmed. C'est la vie...

Here is another important thing to know. We get +battery from *both* lynches.

So, the first lynch is AGM. No debates, no waiting, do it now.

His hammer is covered in slime, his "O LOL WIFOM LOOK HOW BAD IM PLAYIN" comments are unfitting, and Jacks' 1177 raises a very pertinent point that AGM stands a strong choice of being scum as well as sk.

There's also our increasing concern that ss is town. The wagon just feels...off. We also can't help but notice that we suspected AGM, BS, SS, and VV - and BS was lynched and flipped town, and now SS has a wagon brewing. Perhaps our list was a little too big and gave scum room to maneuver in it?

Also, trust me: there are

all sorts

of shenanigans we can pull with 100 faith.

From there, it looks like something like this:

AGM is scum:

This is what we're really, really hoping for. SS and Jack become very likely non-scum, and with them, RF, and inhim, we can hunt down the last scum (my money would be on VV in this case) before turning our eyes on the sk. (I wonder if there are still scum seraphs in the sky if all the scum are dead...?)

AGM is sk:

This is still cool, not *quite* as awesome though. Doesn't tell us too much on who the scum are and aren't, but taking out the sk makes this awesome all the same. I still like VV scum but I like that in all scenarios. :p

AGM is town:

"OH MAN GUYZ, LOOK HOW SCUMMMMMMY THAT HAMMER IS AGM IS SOOOOOOO SCUMMY." I suppose it's too much to hope that's not a thing townies won't petulantly fart on to the thread...

Okay, if AGM is town, ss comes off as scummier. Lends weight to ss/vv scum, though not CAST IRON weight obviously. I dunno. Even if he's town that 100 faith will let us do something to guide our second lynch along.

To summarize, since our inHim secret no longer needs to remain secret:

Strong town: Rayfrost

Town: Mothrax (especially his interactions with Fate), inHim (we didn't confirm inHim as town before communing, though if he's scum he has still passed all of our messages to Andrius without interference)

Null: Furcolow, Nacho, Jack, ss

Scum: AGM, VV

Think that's it for now. Powerlynch AGM ASAP, before a single battery decay if possible, and we'll do something spectacular for our second lynch today.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #1301 (isolation #97) » Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:30 pm

The Word of HitoSame deal as before. Hunt scum, but no lynching until we get to use our holy orders. We don't want battery decay, so please, be earnest and

active

in your scumhunting. It'll be probably three days.

Also, I'd like to remind people that even if your role PM says "Righteous", that doesn't automatically make all of your actions pro-town actions. A quote I've been often repeating in QT is, "not all of these scummy motherfuckers can be scum and it makes me sad." If we can have one townie (besides RF; he's already looking super obvtown) psuedo-confirm by simply GIVING A SHIT ABOUT THIS GAME, that might be enough to lock all of the pieces together.

We still have powerful seraphy tools at our disposal, but we can't do it alone. If you're a townie, please, engage with the game. We need you.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #1302 (isolation #98) » Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:30 pm

Alright, dammit, let's find these f'n demons.

inHimshallibe · Post Post #1305 (isolation #99) » Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:38 pm

VV, I like the intensity. Gonna work with you for now. Gonna work with RayFrost, too. Probably mothrax as well, still don't see him as a partner with Fate.

That leaves:
Furc - still leaning town here, but my reads have been absolutely crappy of late
ss
Nacho
Jack

As for SK, yeah I don't have a clue. My top two for that honor would Nacho and Jack I guess, though I seriously doubt Jack would ever intentionally throw away a kill.

inHimshallibe · Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:42 pm

The Word of Hito

VasudeVa wrote:@Seraphs:
Explain why Mothrax is Town. I NEED TO KNOW. HE'S SO SCUM, LIKE THAT LAST POST. IT IS PURE POSTURING 100%.

His interactions with Fate would have had to be an incredibly intricate bus. As well, he provided some pretty good insight on the kill flavors.

He's not town on the same level as Ray, but he's townier than most in my eyes.

inHimshallibe · Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:44 pm

Looks like our Seraphs are around. I will be the gateway.

inHimshallibe · Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:45 pm

VasudeVa wrote:
singersigner wrote:
Jack wrote:Seraphs receive a boost from quicklynches, so lynching vezok as fast as possible could work well for those of you that are town.

vote:Vezok

Hey. What do you think of mothrax? You are 1/2 of what's left of my Town reads. Please say something awesome. We need to bind together and catch these heathens.

VV, I like the intensity. Gonna work with you for now. Gonna work with RayFrost, too. Probably mothrax as well, still don't see him as a partner with Fate.

inHim wrote:That leaves:
Furc - still leaning town here, but my reads have been absolutely crappy of late
ss
Nacho
Jack

As for SK, yeah I don't have a clue. My top two for that honor would Nacho and Jack I guess, though I seriously doubt Jack would ever intentionally throw away a kill.
Furc reads scum like in Holographica. His 'tommorow will be LyLo' was similar to something he said when he was scum with me.
SS is STILL TOWN. I do not think for a second scum won't posture into those lynches. She probably started lazy like me.
Nacho is being weirdly agressive, but I liked his place in the Kito lynch. I'll have to review a little though.

Why not mothrax? Are you people blind? He's been posturing for lynches THE ENTIRE GAME EXCEPT FOR THAT ONE SCUM LYNCH WHERE HE WAS IN THE OPPOSING WAGON.

I'm probably very biased by out of thread talks, many of which were with Andrius.

inHimshallibe · Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:13 am

The Word of HitoFurcolow, please describe the PR you were teased to us (paraphrasing of course). Don't leave out any defining features.

Also, no, we absolutely don't need a quicklynch right now. We're waiting a few days.

inHimshallibe · Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:00 am

The Word of HitoFurc. I never gave you a Vig ability.

How exactly was your vig ability "taken away"?

Jack unvoted because SS was at L-1, and as stated previously, no matter HOW scummy you think someone is we're waiting for holy order goodness.

VV, your vezok survivors theory seems surprisingly solid on first read. Give us a bit of time to dig in to it.

inHimshallibe · Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:00 am

Lol at me making this up.

inHimshallibe · Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:09 am

That was an odd little whirlwind.

inHimshallibe · Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:36 am

The Word of HitoThat kill wasn't ours. Anyone care to claim it?

(If you received a killing role, it came from scum, and most likely has a secret "will not work if targets scum" clause you don't know about).

inHimshallibe · Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:46 am

Nacho, ss, or Jack imo. If we start running up the SK I think we have to stop and try again.

inHimshallibe · Thu Feb 03, 2011 6:01 am

The Word of Hito

Jack wrote:@seraphs: What do you think of mothrax as sk?

It does have a certain appeal to it. Most of our town-read on mothrax is, upon reflection, a not-scum read. Coasting sk is something that isn't too hard to accept.

Regardless, our focus this moment is on the war in the heavens. That furcolow kill was completely unexpected, and we're planning what the new optimal move is. We're mostly counting on you guys for the scumhunting at this point in time.

I'd like to re-iterate - if a townie took that shot, CLAIM IT NOW. The optimal town move from here is strikingly different depending on if that was a scum bolt or a scum-appointed Vigilante.

inHimshallibe · Thu Feb 03, 2011 6:03 am

singersigner wrote:
inHimshallibe wrote:If we start running up the SK I think we have to stop and try again.
inHim, what do you mean by this?

I'm not taking any numbers for granted. If there are three scum left, we pretty much HAVE to hit a scum. I'm not confident re: 2 or 3 left so I think lynching the SK is definitely NOT as good as lynching mafia.

inHimshallibe · Mon Feb 07, 2011 3:32 am

Completely gone for the weekend. Happy Super Bowl indeed... :money:

inHimshallibe · Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:55 am

The Word of HitoWe've just used a Holy Order, "Piercing Eye." VV is a townie.

Now please, try to get in gear, eh?

inHimshallibe · Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:55 am

The Word of HitoAnother note: (and don't let the concurrence of these posts from your timeframe fool you - I'm writing this more than 24 hours after my post with the PE result.)

Go ahead and lynch soon. Clearly it's the only way to get you guys in the goddamn thread. :/

As a reminder, the likely distrubtion of baddies is two scum + 1 sk. That means out of [Jack, ss, Nacho, Mothrax] (with a small chance of RF/inhim), TWO of them are scumbuddies, and ONE of them is an unconnected SK.

Good luck. Guess right. I'm not going to give my personal suspicions this time because I want you guys to think critically, not swallow my thoughts whole. Remember: VV is confirmed town. Rf and inhim are very likely townies. Start with those facts, and build around them.

inHimshallibe · Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:56 am

The Word of HitoJust for posterity, I'd like to note that it's currently been 72 hours since we reported our Piercing Eye result to inhim. That's why it's taken so long for our approval to start the lynchin' to go through.

inHimshallibe · Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:56 am

Sorry for my absence, my lords.

inHimshallibe · Mon Feb 07, 2011 6:21 am

Well, with Piercing Eye out there, I'm giving a lot more credence to what VV is saying about singersigner. Makes Nacho/Jack so much more likely now and moves mothrax in a worse direction.

The question is which way gives us the best path to victory. Going to do some work on this Today, just not right now. Probably after lunch.

inHimshallibe · Mon Feb 07, 2011 9:38 am

mothrax wrote: Also, I am still not sold on the presence of an SK but without a vig flip as of yet, and without knowing where the extra kills come from, I am at a loss for any other explanation. Someone who isn't scum killed fate, but who was it?

Wow, you're the SK.

inHimshallibe · Mon Feb 07, 2011 9:49 am

I thought there were less players in MoHo.

inHimshallibe · Tue Feb 08, 2011 2:47 pm

VV, let's do this.

vote: mothrax

inHimshallibe · Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:21 pm

You dirty sons of whores. And singersigner.

inHimshallibe · Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:31 pm

You know what.

inHimshallibe · Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:32 pm

NIXON IS BACK.

inHimshallibe · Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:34 pm

YOU WILL ONLY AND EVER SEE PERSECUTION, YOU LYING PILE OF SNOW.

NOW...

WHERE'S KENNEDY.

inHimshallibe · Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:56 pm

KENNEDY YOU SLIMY SLEAZY IMPOSSIBLE DREAMER.

singer certainly isn't mafia imo, and I don't think she's SK.

RAYFROST HOW DAREST THOU.

inHimshallibe · Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:57 pm

THE SERAPHS HAVE PUSHED AND PUSHED NACHO/JACK/MOTHRAX AS THE WINNING COMBINATION OF DEATH.

inHimshallibe · Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:58 pm

The Word of HitoSK is catching more scum than town. Good on you, sk.

Hold your horses and don't lynch until we give the word. Deliberating on a mountaintop and all that.

inHimshallibe · Tue Feb 08, 2011 8:06 pm

I have been a loyal vessel for the seraphs. No mod-confirmation, just my actions to speak for themselves.

inHimshallibe · Thu Feb 10, 2011 7:38 am

I'm not scum.

inHimshallibe · Thu Feb 10, 2011 4:34 pm

Well, don't look at me.

inHimshallibe · Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:24 pm

But Kennedy's my friend.

I can't do that to him.

inHimshallibe · Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:28 pm

LOL YOU THINK YOU'VE GOT NIXON CORNERED.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

inHimshallibe · Thu Feb 10, 2011 9:41 pm

Bah.

Soooo. If I can't win...

:/

I'll hear pleas from both sides of the courtroom. I do admit I'd grown fond of my time in the QuickTopic with the Seraphs.

inHimshallibe · Fri Feb 11, 2011 1:18 pm

Kennedy sure hasn't done anything to change my mind... point town.

inHimshallibe · Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:32 pm

Well, that's certainly interesting.

inHimshallibe · Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:34 pm

So, tea, anyone? Let's have a nice chat.

inHimshallibe · Fri Feb 11, 2011 6:05 pm

Let me begin by saying this whole matter of Ray being scum comes as much as a surprise to me as it does anyone. I thought it would be ss, though in hindsight, Ray's verbiage toward me does indicate he got info from Jack.

Aside from a message last week from who I can only presume to be the Scum Seraphs, I have been an island in this game since hito so generously took me under his wing.

Well, I shouldn't say an island. I did know Jack. I thought I was just picking a side back there and surviving to a victory, though little did I know all three factions were still in the hunt.

So when Jack went down I figured the "bad guys" were gone for good. And then came the Incineration and I realized there was still a demon out there. Fascinating, really.

Typing on a phone is painful. I will say that my vote is still the deciding factor in who wins, but will wait til I am behind an actual keyboard before chatting any more with you folks.

Fascinating.

inHimshallibe · Sat Feb 12, 2011 2:55 am

I started the game as a demon with Jack. Then came my life as a vessel for the Seraphs. I was stripped of my powers. I assumed this was some function of what the Town Seraphs did. I became a mere mortal in the constant presence of holiness, as the description said. I was also told my mortality had become my win condition.

It was a big reason why I pretty much shut things down after Communion. I had a lot of QT fun, not game thread activity.

Then I received a message from, like I said, the Scum Seraphs indicating that if I participated in the mothrax lynch, I would be a winner. So I hammered without a second thought of posting any more thoughts from hito.

They apparently miscalculated a little bit.

I am not Righteous. I am a stripped demon, no kill, no communication, just trying to leave these events alive trying to figure out how to live as a mortal.

inHimshallibe · Sat Feb 12, 2011 3:16 am

Quickvote instead of hammer I guess.

inHimshallibe · Sat Feb 12, 2011 6:03 am

I'm just a Survivor, yes.

I have to be in it to win it.

inHimshallibe · Sat Feb 12, 2011 10:55 am

If I read a bit noncommittal, well ya got me. I clearly was in no hurry to vote anyone before Ray died (it's humorous to go back and read the urgency in his posts after nacho started talking), and nothing has changed. I am just making sure I have the best shot at winning.

I will vote with you singer, I feel more partial to Town anyway. If you want me to go first, let me know. Now that I know what lies ahead for me, I am ready.

inHimshallibe · Sat Feb 12, 2011 11:35 am

Well, I have been assuming this whole time that it was an effect of Communion, because it certainly would be way too coincidental that the Scum Seraphs would target me on the same Night with something that would be so damning for their team.

hito seemed to hint at my plight, though he never mentioned anything explicitly,

inHimshallibe · Sat Feb 12, 2011 11:52 am

hitogoroshi wrote:
inHimshallibe wrote:I'm not scum.

Who is?

This certainly seemed mocking at the time, though it could just be some cruel irony.

Other option would be Nacho did this to me. Again, big coincidence, and he hasn't mentioned it yet, so I doubt he will ever.

Not all that valid to bring up Ray's behavior, though it did look like genuine outright pleading.

inHimshallibe · Sat Feb 12, 2011 12:01 pm

Guess it could have been Nacho, he didn't seem to doubt me.

inHimshallibe · Sat Feb 12, 2011 12:09 pm

WHERE this was explained to me would have been a PM and a post in the shadow QuickTopic that I was not to post anymore.

inHimshallibe · Sat Feb 12, 2011 12:12 pm

Also, Nacho, I hope you can appreciate that I am nervous about a scenario that allows you and I to win, probably similar to what ss feels toward me.

inHimshallibe · Sat Feb 12, 2011 2:40 pm

That's nifty, though I am certainly curious how it proves I am lying.

I suppose because they would have no reason to gain faith?

I have a bad feeling you're just going to take another shot and win :/

inHimshallibe · Sat Feb 12, 2011 3:20 pm

Well, there's your order. What does it prove?

inHimshallibe · Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:32 pm

First of all, I will make rebuttals to what has been said in regards to my role, but for now I only have the time to convince you NOT to follow this plan.

The SK is making the plan, not the town member and survivor. But, the MOST concerning thing is that you have to make damned sure it's not a trick, and that, you know, don't kill me.

What concerns me the most is that a)You're going to lynch me. BAD. b)You're trusting the Doc protect to save you when we've already seen that Unstoppable is a grantable order. c)If he's not Unstoppable... Reflector. d)If you somehow make it to the next Day... what's to guarantee you'll get the dayvig? Nothing. e)Specially-tailored? That's a crock line imo. f)Players in the first edition of this game could not be targeted by the same player granting Orders more than once. So you'd get the doc, not the vig and you're still dead. g)YOU'RE LYNCHING ME. NONONO. h)Simultaneously winning? BULLSHIT. He's just trying to get to 1-1 with town and win.

I DIDN'T GET DEMOTED TO MORTAL STATUS JUST TO DIE NOW.

That said, if singer is going to go through with this, I might as well chance that I can win by lynching her. I'D RATHER NOT TRUST MY WIN TO AN SK.

inHimshallibe · Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:17 am

singer, do you have a dayvig yet? Why do you think you'll get one? I'm still pretty convinced Nacho has given himself Unstoppable, which would seal the deal on your protect. Would be more dependable if he had given you a roleblock. There's too many holes in this.

As for my role, what does Scum Seraph faith prove? I guess if we stall enough they could come back to the game, but it'd be pretty obv... What condemnation is there? Wild speculation?

Read Nacho. He's desperate. He has placed his vote, he's getting worried. Just think things through for a second.

Now that you have the Doctor, your position is very favorable and you have the luxury to think things through! Please don't kill me. Let's rid ourselves of this menace and let me continue life while you mourn/praise your Seraphs.

inHimshallibe · Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:17 am

singer, I don't envy your position one bit. I won't be angry, as from your viewpoint it's a matter of PMs and role mechanics. I WILL be disappointed in my loss. If you wish to look back and see if I was acting like I knew Ray, Fate, and/or Kitoari were my partners, I'll answer any questions you have.

Bravo on deciding this Today! I'll tell you something else, if Nacho had the Faith to dayvig someone like the scum did, one of us would already be dead. He's going to spend all that faith on killing you, not granting you a dayvig, ya think?

inHimshallibe · Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:10 pm

vote: Nachomamma8

I'm just taking orders from you, singer.

Why wouldn't the Scum Seraphs be alive?

inHimshallibe · Thu Feb 17, 2011 5:13 am

I'm no longer aligned with them, I'm a mortal, not a minion. I share no wincon with them, they would share none with me... I'm not seeing your reason for concern about the Seraphs.

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Now, let's take a stroll down MoHo lane.

There's absolutely no way Nacho is able both to grant to a player more than once (well, fair chance of him granting to himself more than once, but that only) AND being able to grant the same Order, in general, more than once.

Nacho may or may not have an exception for himself because he's the SK, but there's no reason to believe that he's allowed to Grant multiple Orders on anyone else or that he even will have enough Faith to do so tomorrow.

So basically, Nacho's lying through his teeth saying he can't grant the same order more than once per Day - FORCE HIM TO GIVE YOU THE DAYVIG NOW. There's nothing remotely like that restriction in MoHO - just limits on granting the same thing more than once AT ALL.

Last of all, Nacho's "I've got to quote evidence of the ability" is the biggest bunch of BS ever. EVER.
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LET'S WIN THIS TOGETHER SINGER. VOTE NACHO FOR GREAT JUSTITUDE.

inHimshallibe · Thu Feb 17, 2011 5:16 am

singersigner wrote:I just need to hear from inHim again.

I mean, it sounds like you'd win either way, so...just double checking
.

You versus him tomorrow is a guaranteed win for him. A Doctor versus an SK in endgame, even one that can self-protect, will result in a dead Doctor and a winning SK.

MOST OF ALL, I'LL LOSE AND WILL BE SUPER-BUMMED. DON'T LET THIS HAPPEN, SINGER. JUST THINK ABOUT THE LOGIC OF THE ACTIONS, WHAT NACHO HAS BEEN SPEWING, AND WHAT HIS PLAN REALLY IS.

inHimshallibe · Thu Feb 17, 2011 5:17 am

OH, MY GODS MY GODS, YOU HAVE FORSAKEN ME.

I WILL LIVE MY LIFE IN DEFIANCE. A LIFE ABUNDANT AND HUMANISTIC.

inHimshallibe · Thu Feb 17, 2011 5:17 am

BUT MOST OF ALL, I WILL

LIVE

.

inHimshallibe · Thu Feb 17, 2011 5:44 am

OH BUT SINGER. HERE IT COMES.

HE'S NOT TELLING US EVERYTHING, OR MUCH MORE LIKELY IT'S ALL LIES. LIGHT BULB, MAY THY EARTHLY LIGHT SHINE AND ENLIGHTEN US. HERE WE GO:

TELL ME, WHY DID EQUINOX DIE IF ABLE TO SELF-PROTECT? HE CLAIMS TO HAVE GIVEN YOU A SELF-PROTECT DOCTOR, BUT THERE'S BEEN NO EVIDENCE THAT 1) EQUINOX'S GRANTED DOCTOR ORDER WAS ABLE TO SELF-PROTECT AND 2) EQUINOX DIED THE NIGHT IT WAS GIVEN HIM.

WHAT SELF-RESPECTING DOCTOR DOESN'T KEEP THEMSELVES ALIVE WHEN THEY KNOW THEY'RE PRESUMABLY THE ONLY TOWN POWER ROLE IN THE GAME?

Specially-tailored? GARBAGE AND LIES.

inHimshallibe · Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:08 pm

They're the demons that could be alive and well in this situation, not any of us.

inHimshallibe · Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:32 pm

Don't look at me, I've been asking "Huh?" for a long time too. From my vantage point, if the Scum Seraphs serve any purpose in this game, it is for the opportunity for them to play Trump Card and descend. So, this possibility is what keeps them still in the game.

inHimshallibe · Thu Feb 17, 2011 8:19 pm

OH.

I get it, and that'd be a pretty legit concern, though all we have to do to stop them is limit their faith so they can't descend. You and I just need to meet our win condition so we can eliminate theirs.

You can't honestly be thinking of going along with Nacho's plan, can you? So many holes.

inHimshallibe · Fri Feb 18, 2011 4:01 am

Shits and giggles?

I don't know the answer to that question, singer. I can take guesses... If they hadn't sent me the message, they may have been able to reinstate me? But now they've used up an Order on me, and they can't target me again. Vi is allowing me to choose whether or not I want to stall and maybe let them back in the game? That certainly won't be able to if we keep their faith way low.

inHimshallibe · Fri Feb 18, 2011 4:02 am

That*

*They

inHimshallibe · Fri Feb 18, 2011 5:27 am

I got a message informing me that if I voted for mothrax, there'd be numbers there for the demons to win. It's an Order to speak directly with someone. On the points of me "being a winner" the Seraphs were saying they would have the numbers to overpower the Town and that I'd win. This obviously wasn't the case, as Nacho was the SK and then hito descended.

inHimshallibe wrote:Let me begin by saying this whole matter of Ray being scum comes as much as a surprise to me as it does anyone. I thought it would be ss, though in hindsight, Ray's verbiage toward me does indicate he got info from Jack.

Aside from a message last week from who I can only presume to be the Scum Seraphs,
I have been an island in this game since hito so generously took me under his wing.

Well, I shouldn't say an island. I did know Jack. I thought I was just picking a side back there and surviving to a victory, though little did I know all three factions were still in the hunt.

So when Jack went down I figured the "bad guys" were gone for good. And then came the Incineration and I realized there was still a demon out there. Fascinating, really.

Typing on a phone is painful. I will say that my vote is still the deciding factor in who wins, but will wait til I am behind an actual keyboard before chatting any more with you folks.

Fascinating.

inHimshallibe wrote:I started the game as a demon with Jack. Then came my life as a vessel for the Seraphs. I was stripped of my powers. I assumed this was some function of what the Town Seraphs did. I became a mere mortal in the constant presence of holiness, as the description said. I was also told my mortality had become my win condition.

It was a big reason why I pretty much shut things down after Communion. I had a lot of QT fun, not game thread activity.

Then I received a message from, like I said, the Scum Seraphs indicating that if I participated in the mothrax lynch, I would be a winner.
So I hammered without a second thought of posting any more thoughts from hito.

They apparently miscalculated a little bit.

I am not Righteous. I am a stripped demon, no kill, no communication, just trying to leave these events alive trying to figure out how to live as a mortal.

inHimshallibe · Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:04 am

I also think you're making a fairly large (and crucial to me winning/losing) incorrect assumption. Let's take a look at the end of the last game:

Vi wrote:
Vote Count LXXII
~ The last gambit

Iecerint (LYNCH) ~ AGar, Furcolow, Chronopie

Not Voting:

Chronopie,
Iecerint

AGar 1 | Chronopie 0 | Furc 0 | Iece 0

-The smell of smoke surrounds Iecerint as of post 975...
--With 4 alive, it takes 3 to lynch or 2 to No Lynch.

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(79%)

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--- Iecerint ---
Righteous

Neighborizer
--- Lost his MoHO Day 6...

-The remaining battery power was converted!

--- Furcolow ---
Righteous

Brother

Firebolt

Neighbor
--- Corrupted Day 6...

-It is no longer possible to prevent a Win Condition from being fulfilled!

--- Chronopie ---
Righteous

Roleblocker
--- Corrupted Day 6...

--- AGar ---
Shadowed

Dark Demon

Roleblocker
--- Survived Day 6!!!

- ...???

--- MafiaSSK and Gammagooey ---
Seraphs
--- Bowed out in Endgame...

--- sottyrulez ---
Tarhalindur, Emperor Dogbert over Mafia
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Demon Seraph
--- Took over the world in Endgame!!!

-Game Over!

Result:

Righteous
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Loses...

Demons
......
Win!

---Mod commentary, etc. will follow in a moment. Please wait until my megapost of mod notes come in before posting; it shouldn't be long.

No longer possible to prevent a Win Condition from being fulfilled... So I think it's possible that the Seraphs still have a shot at coming down Today since Ray just now died during this time period and Nacho still has a chance at winning. So, if Town or SK can't win yet, then the Scum Seraph Win Condition still has the possibility of being fulfilled by virtue of them playing Trump Card.

Looking at MoHo, it looks like Dark Conscience was what was used to talk with me.

inHimshallibe · Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:05 am

So that would explain why they still have Faith. Woot, this makes me feel good.

Suck it, Kennedy.

inHimshallibe · Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:43 pm

Lol, like I really have to answer to someone who needs what I say to be wrong.

Go over to the corner and wait for death.

Seriously, Nacho trying to butt into this is funny.

inHimshallibe · Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:46 pm

Also, go back and look at my play and tell me I knew any of the dark demons were my partners.

inHimshallibe · Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:30 am

singersigner wrote:
inHimshallibe wrote:Also, go back and look at my play and tell me I knew any of the dark demons were my partners.
What is this even supposed to mean? What are you getting at?

I lost all my scumhood before the dark demons and the shadow demons were brought together.

Also, Nacho isn't trying to figure anything out, he's trying to keep you from figuring the right thing out (that I'm telling the truth). You seem to be enamored with the SK, which is boggling.

inHimshallibe · Mon Feb 21, 2011 5:29 am

Totes sorry for not being there for the Nacho-hammer.

I thought Reflector would have been an immensely better choice, but again work picked an unfortunate time to keep me busy.

Thanks for the game, Vi! And the rest! Really enjoyed it.

Yeah, yeah, shoulda woulda coulda voted Nacho immediately after my claim. Meh.