Cyclic Experimentation Set x01 - [Game Over]

[Lateralus22]

Hey, I'm TheLonging 2.0

Will catch up tomorrow.

[Lateralus22]

I lied, I decided to catch up now. Note, votes are way too spread it. Majority of the game feels like it's drifted off purely into how we're dealiong with the cycle actions so I'd like for some competing wagons to form.

Now there is talk of Day-Vigging me. That's a bit hastey. I guess I'll address the Scumday thing. I saw that Diddin (I think that was who, I'll double check) had put up a lame pointless vote on me (for Unvoting a RVS Vote) and figured he was baiting me into OMGUS voting him to drive his case further. I wasn't going to let him have that satisfaction, so I just refrained from voting him at the moment. I think it was Diddin trying to fish around for someone's overreaction. Normally I'd take that as a Null-Tell, but when trying to get "The New Guy" with this seems to tip the scales a bit on the scummy side.

Now that I've explained the Scumday comment, I also find Parama's attack on me rather scummy and baseless for the most part. Take a minute and look at his attack, "Oh Well Muh was town... Let's get the real scum! VOTE: Wrath" followed by the scumday case, which basically states, "Come on guys! Don't you see it? Scum like to do things like that!"

Doesn't feel genuine at all. Here's the thing, Wrath is spending more time on how others see him rather than hunting down scum. The town motivation would be to go after diddin right off the bat because that's who he suspects, but instead he let him off the hook based on a weak reason (It's his scum Day). Course once questioned upon he tried to paint didden as some major villain out to get newbies with the whole baiting me into overreacting nonsense.

Vote: WrathChild

Alternately Wrath & Helghast are fantastic vig candidates for the day.

Need more content from several people, and I seriously want to see more votes placed down.

Can I have the top three suspects from each of the following people please,

{Helghast, WrathChild, themanhimself, Narsis, Nero Cain, Parama}

[Lateralus22]

Hello RC, could you give me your top three as well? Also do you feel as strongly about didden scum as you did earlier?

[Lateralus22]

I asked because I didn't know what it was since I've never heard of it before, and I dropped it since all was explained in later posts. I dont constantly vote, I dont see the need for it and I keep all the FOS in my head, I only vote until I see hard evidence against someone.

Well hello. Here's the thing, you haven't presented any evidence at all, you've made little to no effort to find scum. You have however coasted along like a good little scum. Convince me you're town, show me who's scum instead of ignoring my question. k thnx.

Unvote;
Vote: Helghast

[Lateralus22]

/agreed

[Lateralus22]

Why do

you

specifically think Wrath is the best vig candidate?

[Lateralus22]

Ok, I honestly would vote for me for the same reasons I was being voted by Lateralus.

Bwah...? You're admitting their was no pro-town motivation for your play there... which is essentially claiming scum?

How do you feel about Parama/didden now? Do you suspect anyone else?

[Lateralus22]

chk, do you think implosion's lying about his ability?

What do you think about Wrath & helghast?

[Lateralus22]

Cuz they're both probable scum, can you please lay a vote down? It'll be easier for me to read you.

[Lateralus22]

I have no idea who EC is, what's the case against him?

Also Helghast needs to die or start scum hunting, I prefer the former even more now.

[Lateralus22]

ebwop: Ah EtherealCookie... the acronym didn't register.

Same question though.

[Lateralus22]

powerrox please lay a vote down, also themanhimself how your Iso reads going?

[Lateralus22]

Does anyone in the vig Wrath camp have any objections to switching to Helghast?

[Lateralus22]

I have no role, so I can't really role claim.

I wouldn't worry about that, didden.

[Lateralus22]

Who's lynch do you want?

What weird vibes am I giving you? Why don't you see Helghast scum, also what do you think of Wrath's latest posts?

[Lateralus22]

I'm curios as to what Nero Cain thinks of all of this.

[Lateralus22]

@IAI Helghast case

@Nero, that wasn't the WC case at all, regardless I asked you cuz you were online. What do you think of tmh?

[Lateralus22]

WrathChild:

Parama, The man himself, Diddin, Lateralus22, popsofclown, powerrox93, I am Innocent

(7)

EC:

RedCoyote, Saint, curiouskarmadog, I Am Innocent

(4)

Helghast:

Lateralus22, pops

(2)

Nero Cain:

chkflip

(1)

Narsis:

Saint

(1)

Current hit list for didden, note there

may be some errors so please point them out.

I've got your name there if you've expressed some interest in the vig candidate even if they weren't your first choice but you were willing to compromise but haven't got your name next to someone unless I thought you said exactly that you would be cool with switching to them.

[Lateralus22]

Mod: When's the deadline?

[Lateralus22]

themanhimself, do you think WC is scum?

[Lateralus22]

ebwop: nvm I read what you said wrong.

[Lateralus22]

Vig Count 1.1

WrathChild:

Parama, Themanhimself, Diddin, popsofclown, powerrox93, I Am Innocent (6)

EtherealCookie:

RedCoyote, Saint, curiouskarmadog, I Am Innocent, MagnaofIllusion (5)

Helghast:

Lateralus22, popsofclown, didden, quadz08 (4)

Nero Cain:

chkflip, quadz08 (2)

Narsis:

Saint, MagnaofIllusion (2)

themanhimself:

implosion, Lateralus22 (2)

popsofclown:

MagnaofIllusion, StrangerCoug, themanhimself (3)

chkflip:

MagnaofIllusion (1)

curiouskarmadog:

StrangerCoug, themanhimself (2)

Powerrox93:

quadz08 (1)

Saint:

quadz08 (1)

*Correction on Vig Count 1, Nero Cain supported Narsis vig but retracted as of this count.
*Same deal, if theres errors point them out. Also can we please use sort of

Vig: Player A

template? It'll help keep things more accurate.

Real post coming soon, some changes in my vig choices.

[Lateralus22]

Kay. Helghast is still a useless sack. He should die. I challenge anyone who thinks Helghast is town to make a case supporting this claim. Seriously, there is nothing town about this guy

nor

have I actually seen someone try to refute the case against him.

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WrathChild has me perplexed. His posts around here feel very townie to me, I mean come on

Yeah, I vote myself for the reasons Lat is

, who the hell says that? This makes me feel like he knew there was a problem in his play and took the pro-active approach to try and fix it. Makes me feel like he legitimately cares about finding scum. The line about him saying I had a reasonable reason to vote him reminds me of a situation from a past game, the thought process just feels more like someone actually looking for scum.

Course his points suck, but hey A for effort. Dunno about the lynch but personally I'm taking my name of the vig list for now.

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Out of all the people on the WC wagon initially themanhimself was the only supporter I felt uncomfortable with. You see, saying

"oh woopty do we get info from dis lolz

is a shit reason. In this instance it doesn't look like he's trying to find scum at all but choosing a popular target because essentially, you get info from EVERY flip.

The sudden nervous energy concerning Helghast and his view of me feels off. I don't like how he's never actually explained his own direct thoughts on Helghast even when he wants him vigged, nor has he followed up when I asked him what he thought of me.

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I don't get why people think pops is scum, he feels very townie to me. He's active and constantly participates in the thread sharing his views. His thoughts are very transparent. I don't think the "fear mongering" as MoI put it is scummy and feels more like a real concern.

If there's anything super important that I missed let me know cuz I skimmed the walls but I'm not seeing it.

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curiouskarmadog is meh. I feel like the "slip" people called out isn't really so. That said I barely even remember anything he did, I'm curious as to why he isn't a Helghast hater.

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MoI is town, don't agree with everything he says though. I'd like him to summarize his views on chk-scum because I get lost in the WoT's.

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LmP & WC argument is boring. Arguments from both sides suck. Lmp gets scum points for this one.

Conclusion:

Not much has changed. WC got lower on the scum spectrum and the WoT's aren't helping anyone (yeah yeah). Helghast still needs to die and themanhimself is another point of interest.

[Lateralus22]

snake-scum hasn't caught up yet because scum doesn't have motivation to do so.

[Lateralus22]

dude, stop voting in red, im color blind (no srly thats why your vote isn' t counted I guess)

[Lateralus22]

WC vote for a vig target plz

[Lateralus22]

I vote Helghast cause he has a

better chance

of being scum than me.

You don't sound very certain about this. You're seriously making me confused as hell >.>

[Lateralus22]

screw it, changed my mind a Wrath vig is good to go. Helghast still has a higher priority though.

@didden, do you refuse to vig anyone that's not WC/Helghast? I

anyone not doing so Vig votes plz, (LynchMePls, Helghast, Nero Cain, DarlaBlueEyes, Q21, SnakePlissken, EtherealCookie)

Think we should Vig around a weekish before the deadline, vote wagons are still scattered and that'll give a decent amount of time to plan out the lynch based on the flip. Yay or Nay?

[Lateralus22]

Yay or Nay about the vig timing guys?

[Lateralus22]

Can you tell which "new" points have risen exactly? Preferably within 30 seconds.

[Lateralus22]

His unproductive play was brought up... like 2 weeks ago or something. Why didn't that strike you as scummy then?

[Lateralus22]

Why do you think he's town? There's gotta be a reason.

[Lateralus22]

What do you think of Nero Cain?
Why no real vote?

[Lateralus22]

Vig Count 1.2

WrathChild:

Parama, Themanhimself, Diddin, popsofclown, powerrox93, I Am Innocent, themanhimself, Lateralus22, q21 (9)

EtherealCookie:

RedCoyote, Saint, I Am Innocent, MagnaofIllusion, themanhimself (5)

Helghast:

Lateralus22, popsofclown, didden, quadz08, themanhimself, WrathChild, Nero Cain, DarlaBlueEyes (8)

Nero Cain:

chkflip, quadz08 (2)

Narsis:

Saint, MagnaofIllusion (2)

themanhimself:

implosion, Lateralus22 (2)

popsofclown:

MagnaofIllusion, StrangerCoug, themanhimself (3)

chkflip:

MagnaofIllusion (1)

curiouskarmadog:

StrangerCoug, themanhimself (2)

Powerrox93:

quadz08, q21, Nero Cain, RedCoyote (4)

Saint:

quadz08 (1)

Parama:

curiouskarmadog (1)

DarlaBlueEyes:

Nero Cain (1)

*Hello let's get this vig thing over with already. Unofficial deadline around a weekish before deadline, considering no one's protested yet.
*If there's any errors point them out.

Wee. Diddin, I'd like you to vig someone between Jan 5-7, considering the flexible deadline for the day is the 13. (Actually the vig should be tomorrow at latest because that's about exactly one week.)

When the time comes, I'd like you to give a FULL read on your vig choice and who his flip will affect concerning what alignment he possibly is. I'd also like you now to announce the exact vig date, along with anyone who has objections with this set time to complain now.

[Lateralus22]

Vig Count 1.3

WrathChild:

Parama, Themanhimself, Diddin, popsofclown, powerrox93, I Am Innocent, Lateralus22, q21 (8)

EtherealCookie:

RedCoyote, Saint, I Am Innocent, MagnaofIllusion, themanhimself (5)

Helghast:

Lateralus22, popsofclown, didden, quadz08, themanhimself, WrathChild, Nero Cain, DarlaBlueEyes (8)

Nero Cain:

chkflip, quadz08 (2)

Narsis:

Saint, MagnaofIllusion (2)

themanhimself:

implosion, Lateralus22 (2)

popsofclown:

MagnaofIllusion, StrangerCoug, themanhimself (3)

chkflip:

MagnaofIllusion (1)

curiouskarmadog:

StrangerCoug, themanhimself (2)

Powerrox93:

quadz08, q21, Nero Cain, RedCoyote (4)

Saint:

quadz08 (1)

Parama:

curiouskarmadog (1)

DarlaBlueEyes:

Nero Cain (1)

*Hello let's get this vig thing over with already. Unofficial deadline around a weekish before deadline, considering no one's protested yet.
*If there's any errors point them out.

Wee. Diddin, I'd like you to vig someone between Jan 5-7, considering the flexible deadline for the day is the 13. (Actually the vig should be tomorrow at latest because that's about exactly one week.)

When the time comes, I'd like you to give a FULL read on your vig choice and who his flip will affect concerning what alignment he possibly is. I'd also like you now to announce the exact vig date, along with anyone who has objections with this set time to complain now.[/quote]

[Lateralus22]

Bleh. didn't delete out the extra shit and posted it.

Basically I saw that I had the manhimself listed twice for voting WC, meaning that the two are now tied. Neat. Anyone want to tip the scale?

[Lateralus22]

I'd like SG to take some sort of stance on WC/Helghast, can't remember if you have recently.

Saint, are you in the full swing of things? It feels like you're kinda out of touch from the game since AntB's flip.

[Lateralus22]

yeah... I was expected a full read or in the very least how Helghast's flip would affect your other reads depending on what alignment he flips.

[Lateralus22]

themanhimself

Top three suspects and reasons plz.

[Lateralus22]

ewbop:

Vote: themanhimself

[Lateralus22]

Literally every one of his posts after this is "Could someone state the actual case on Helghast?" which no one ever did and we ended up with a misvig.

mhm.

I'm going to go back to my vote: Helghast. I think this is a good lynch for today, and I don't think any other wagon (sans possibly EC) is really gaining any steam. He starts off by asking Parama to expand on his ability. Frankly, it reads more defensive than anything else to me. If it's not defensive then I read it as somewhat of a silly question anyways. Later he kind of drops the Parama situation altogether, which was a weird transition for a player who had, until that point, been focused 100% on Parama's ability. The rest of his posts have mostly been one liners that have given us nothing to go on. He hasn't voted, he hasn't "FoS'd" anyone, and he hasn't really given us any decent reads at all. He's just drifting by unaccounted for. Bottom line, when I read Helghast's posts I don't see them as a townie who is genuinely trying to scumhunt.

Well hello. Here's the thing, you haven't presented any evidence at all, you've made little to no effort to find scum. You have however coasted along like a good little scum. Convince me you're town, show me who's scum instead of ignoring my question. k thnx.

Unvote;
Vote: Helghast

he even knew there was a case, never specified anything so I don't even know if he read it.

I don't agree with the case brought against him.

[Lateralus22]

/facepalm

[Lateralus22]

What page are you on now and what are your current scum reads?

[Lateralus22]

Step 1) Read Powerrox's Iso
Step 2) Read themanhimself's Iso
Step 3) ?????
Step 4) Profit!

[Lateralus22]

I'm just as confused as you are...

[Lateralus22]

Mod: Is it possible for someone to have some sort of secret vote and submit that along with a real vote?

[Lateralus22]

Unvote:
Vote: Powerrox

This is weird >.>

Mod: Vote Count plz.

[Lateralus22]

Meh. honestly doesn't matter much since they're both bussing, I'll switch back probobly. I just wanna figure out if I have some sort of secret vote >.>

[Lateralus22]

holy shittttttt that's cool.

Unvote:
Vote: themanhimself

[Lateralus22]

1) SC is secret double voter hiding among us.
2) Someone else here screwing with the vote counts and wants to see tmh die.
3) Kunk is fucking with with us.

Pre-Edit: Ninja'ed

The weird thing is, his vote wasn't always like that I think.

[Lateralus22]

:: VoteCount 1x12 ::

Powerrox93 (6) -

q21, Nero Cain, MagnaofIllusion, StrangerCoug, quadz08, popsofctown

Yeah, it wasn't like that before.

[Lateralus22]

I'll be V/LA for most of Friday and Saturday too.

[Lateralus22]

I did a quick skim, I take it bunnylover claimed that MoI passed his VT ability to her? Is this the same VT ability on the front page?

Cuz.. I asked the Mod during the night if I was allowed to and I was told that no one was allowed to transer their VT status as it wasn't technically an ability, but rather a distinct lack of abilites.

Meaning, she told a really stupid lie and is Scum or the Mod lied/There's an error from the Mod. I'm assuming the former.

Will vote and have a full post later, but yeah she's scum.

[Lateralus22]

Are you just a pure normal VT?

[Lateralus22]

It is about 2 AM. I have a lot of shit going on and I won't get ANY sleep today, I don't care if you have to repeat yourself.

Ok You're a VT like the one on the front page,

Did you get a role pm from the Mod saying MoI passed his ability to you?

[Lateralus22]

I already claimed, read my posts.

[Lateralus22]

Who'd you pass it to?

[Lateralus22]

Mhmk catch up time,

First off TMH is pretty much semi-confirmed scum. His argument for doing this is very bad, I mean come on there's really no vi left alive and why the hell would anyone internally pass it off to scum or a bad player? You are depriving of us of the info we would have gotten from the switch. This wasn't even a case of you having superior judgement… you're just taking orders.

Note, I don't fully understand the Bus Driver role but I take it tmh switched himself and didden? Does this mean that ridden got the Bus Driver role? … Anyway my point is that considering this was a stolen role I think this transition wasn't purely bound to the cycle rules… meaning this is the perfect opportunity for scum to keep this ability to themselves for two days meaning didden/tmh scum is actually a viable combo.

Also the Bus Driver role has got to be destroyed if this is true.

curiouskarmadog & Implosion is town on town, please settle down you two. ckd's frustration towards his lack of vote feels very townie to me especially considering on the flip side that he has lynch impunity. I could kinda see scum frustration to being put on the spot due to being a vig target but his post just doesn't read that way to me. Though he needs to stop being pissy about it and implosion is obv town from yesterday.

K now onto WC. Leading isn't scummy, I always try to push my suspects lynch as opposed to blindly following.

I actually don't think Bunny's comment is scummy anymore. I think he's a moron. I'm stunned when I try to think about this, at first I thought she wanted to gain from sort of cred by claiming she had a powerful ability but now it just seems she was being stupid and thought MoI passed her his ability for no reason. I figured there was no pro-town motivation for lying about this… but I think she's just horribly confused.

Darla is scum btw, might give an explanation later.

Why the hell didn't she say who she protected? This isn't going t hurt the town in any way at all.

Vote: Darla

[Lateralus22]

Clarification: This & This, it's not, You guys suck and my reads rock, it's hai guys... lets be democratic citizens and I'll totally kill the dude you guys want.

What about the other evidence against Wrath? In fact, what is this leading thing?

WC said he thought I was scum because of leading. Meaning I'm just a leader... I guess. Which evidence are you talking about?

[Lateralus22]

I ask questions to read peoples alignments, communicating with people directly helps greatly with that. I have no idea why you think I've only purely asked questions When I've supplied cases for just about

every

lynch/vig

I

pushed

(no Darla doesn't count now!)

so the the getting others to do my dirty work accusation goes down the crapper.

[Lateralus22]

This is why you read in context, Iso reads take that away and distort the meanings of posts to a certain extent.

[Lateralus22]

2 things,

1. Should I consistently post cases EVERY post I make when people are already agreeing with me/debating about the point at hand?
2. Should I sit silently instead of trying to read other people?