Simpsons Mafia (Game Over)

[jasonT1981]

vote:Zang

It's got to be Kang in disguise!!

[jasonT1981]

SottyRulez is the only Hydra I know in this game and it is Sotty and ZachRulez. I maybe wrong I have not looked at signups thread since the game filled last night.

[jasonT1981]

vote:Zang

It's got to be Kang in disguise!!

Voting for Kang will make us all be slaves! Is that what you want?

Vote: jason

but he offered me mini American flags! Besides, I have a board with a nail in it!

[jasonT1981]

but he offered me mini American flags! Besides, I have a board with a nail in it!

Well okay...but only if some of us can get abortions.

Something about that makes me chuckle lol.

[jasonT1981]

HAHA why yes, yes I have. I would recommend a healthy diet as opposed to ribwhiches though.

[jasonT1981]

hmmm the problem with meta on a hydra account is the two proper accounts could have completely contrasting Metas on the opposite side of each other and therefor makes it harder to get a read I believe.

[jasonT1981]

im not sureyour right Nero, I think Meta can be an excellent tool to pin down scum or find out if someone is town. but its harder to use with a hydra account.

[jasonT1981]

EBWOP: - The Pouting Beaver.

PS @Jason
So you should be voting me yes? How come you're not voting me if you think meta is important JASON. Why isn't there a vote on me? This is soooo ridiclious!

ummm I don't think you exactly read what I asid. I said meta can be useful in finding scum or determining if someone is playing to their town self... since I have no meta for you as either scum or town then why should I be voting you? your logic is slightly flawed there. I can only Meta someone if I have meta on them.

[jasonT1981]

catching up on the rest ASAP had a busy day so far and only got a chance to glance over things and saw that sticking out. more to follow soon.

[jasonT1981]

Sotty, when I posted that in reply to Beavers question, you will see that the question was at a point

BEFORE beaver was revealed as DTM

so therefor no, I did not know who he was or had any meta on him. And at that time my point stands.

I even said at the time I had not read everything and was trying to catch up but just wanted to address that point.

your vote is weak.

[jasonT1981]

Can I make a request to all hydras in this game... post who it is posting at the bottom of the post.

Sottyrulez... was that post and vote on me by Sotty or Zach?

[jasonT1981]

but thats the point of Random voting stage.

[jasonT1981]

whats the vote for sens, I don't think its scummy to not vote in RVS.. I have seen quite a few say they don't like RVS

[jasonT1981]

unvote

right now I am getting a town read on Ben, his voting is similar to what it was in Zachs large game that recently finished. SottyRulez I am completly unsure on as it is hard for me to get a read on them. Zach and Sotty have two completly contrasting metas which is why I asked them to sign each post so I can get a better read for them. right now I am completly unsure.

Darla is kinda high on my scumlist... the Massclaim idea from DH I think I have seen him do this before as town hthough i might be wrong but I think he did as town in a game we played together a while back, will have to look more into it later.

Don't see the points of the votes on FB earlier due to him not revealing at that time who he was... silly votes I think. Guderian is due back later so would be interested in his views. Boberz not voting in RVS is weird but not a scumtell as I have seen a few in the past refuse to participate in RVS both town and scum.

Darla has made 4 posts, kinda wishy washing voting in them... vote unvote vote kinda seems like trying to find a wagon to be on.

Nero is also up there on my scumlist due to his huge contridiction pointed out by Kage I believe it was.

Tragedy though in ISO looks bad due to the RVS comment and the hydra talk post that seems to be diverting away from scumhuntign and back to the hydra. in fact most of his posts have been talking about the hydra accounts in some way or another.

voteTragedy

[jasonT1981]

heh simpost with Sleepless there.

[jasonT1981]

really? i could have sworn it was you, my mistake then sorry. I know I have seen this before and really thought it was you.

[jasonT1981]

just a quick note, my posting is going to be slow over the next few days. I fractured my left wrist so it is quite hard to type atm. frackin black ice on the driveway. it is interesting to note that Nacho has been posting activly on the site on a consistant basis since this game opened yet has not made a post here at all.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/search.p ... 8&sr=posts

Anything to say Nacho? where are you?

[jasonT1981]

Guderian, when you quote, could you please quote the names in the quotepost.. it makes it easier to follow.

[jasonT1981]

it was the bottom bit that got me... sorry, got a little confused reading it the first time

[jasonT1981]

Alright, fair enough but whats your defence for whats been pointed out against you? another fluff post from Tragedy/.

Tragedy, do you have any suspects?
have you seen anything that the rest of us might have missed?
what is your take on what has gone on so far?

[jasonT1981]

Tragedy. is there any reasons why you have

1) avoided my questions
2) not made any contribution to the game except for your fluff posts.

and to add to those, and my earlier questions I shall post again, just in case you missed them

Alright, fair enough but whats your defence for whats been pointed out against you? another fluff post from Tragedy/.

Tragedy, do you have any suspects?
have you seen anything that the rest of us might have missed?
what is your take on what has gone on so far?

Also, you have been lynched in RVS? can we see that please?

[jasonT1981]

I'll give you a lollypop if you come answer my questions, Tragedy.

Fonzy... I don't usually let people fly by just because they are new,... he is now blatently avoiding questions and failing to make any contribution to the game, thats scummy.

further question.

Tragedy, have you any off site experience in mafia?

[jasonT1981]

Tragedy though in ISO looks bad due to the RVS comment and the hydra talk post that seems to be diverting away from scumhuntign and back to the hydra. in fact most of his posts have been talking about the hydra accounts in some way or another.

voteTragedy

This is worthy of a vote huh? You do realize this was our basis for voting you yes?

Hydrameta
Hydrameta
HYDRAMETA
HYDRAMETA

Remember that?

that and not giving any content apart from fluff posting, yes.

[jasonT1981]

I'll give you a lollypop if you come answer my questions, Tragedy.

Fonzy... I don't usually let people fly by just because they are new,... he is now blatently avoiding questions and failing to make any contribution to the game, thats scummy.

Dear Lord, ok this procedure is going to be tricky to explain

I'm not letting it go, I genuinely don't think I've seen anything scummy from her. She (yes, she's female, see how easy it is to look) seems to be making an effort in a muddled, newbish kinda way.

Fonzy, I never like giving anyone the pass for being new. I don't like others when they defend someone with the Newbie card also (not saying your scummy) I just feel that the newbie card gets played far too much in mafia and it often lets people coast without actually answering for their actions as it all gets put down to 'being new'

As for fence sitting on Darla, I can only have one vote at a time, but have more than one suspect.. the same could be said for anyone who is voting one person but also suspects another... we only get one vote and one lynch, if we had more my other vote would go on Darla

but I am afraid I can only vote one person at a time.

Right now, this game makes me feel like a a Ford urinating on a Chevrolet..

I also didn't realize she was a girl I should have looked closer, I guess the umbilical cord had not been cut or something.. urgh i'm heading off to bed I should really try and sleep but I feel like ive downed a box of pixie sticks.

[jasonT1981]

What I think we have here is a problem with genders. I am a woman. Women are bound to be more emotional over things and clearly that's been miscontrewed in my posts as taking this too seriously. I assure I ain't bovvered one bit, and any perceived irritation or hostility from me is, again, sarcasm. mmkay?

and please don't hurt me guys. Would it help if I overshared and said PMS was involved? =D and I hereby solemnly swear to devote myself fully to this game from here on out and stop acting like such a n00bfail.

bloody hell what type of defence is this?

Im a woman so go easy on me, i'm emotional
I have PMS

unvote
vote:Darla

It sounds like the canary is not going to die of natural causes

[jasonT1981]

If sottyrulez survives the night, they're scum.

how do you come to this conclusion? I have seen Sotty/Zach live through the night many times as town. Hell of a lot of WIFOM you are introducing there.

[jasonT1981]

Nacho, who have you declared V/LA for being ill yet are actively posting in other games?

http://mafiascum.net/forum/search.php?a ... 8&sr=posts

[jasonT1981]

what of her defence for things? PMS and emotional woman?

I don't get it (chuckles) I get accused of fence sitting on Darla which is scummy, then I take a stance on her and move my vote its scummy.... "worst prognosis ever!" Hee hee hee. But between Darla, Tragedy and Nero at least one of them has the evil gene.

[jasonT1981]

umm ive also commented on

Nacho
Nero
SottyRulez
Tragedy
Darla

as well as interacting with you all in my most recent posts...

thats hardly commenting on NOTHING but her.. would you like me to quote myself on mentions of the above?

[jasonT1981]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 8#p2715038

That post is the only one I really see as being content from Jason, and the highlight of it is him voting for Tragedy using a point he himself was also guilty of in early game.

What is lacking is a response to this particular made point.

So Jason, do you admit that you find a particular action that you are also guilty of scummy, which also means that you are in turn scummy, or is it a crap point?

I admit yes, my early postings were not much content however I like to feel I have been making good contributions to the game. Something Tragedy has yet to do I still feel. Its like he has to be coaxed into giving thoughts and it does not seem natural.

[jasonT1981]

unvote
vote: Nacho

I was going to bring this forward yesterday, but he had only made a few posts on the site since declaring V/LA so left it, but today it is completely clear he is avoiding this game, he has declared V/LA for being ill but is actively posting on the site in other games.

[jasonT1981]

you can check out his posts.

http://mafiascum.net/forum/search.php?a ... 8&sr=posts

[jasonT1981]

hmmm Tragedy, is there ANY reason you are yet to put a vote anywhere in this game? just ISO'd you, despite cases against quite a few people... you are not taking a stance on anyone. fence sitting almost.

[jasonT1981]

hmmm interesting link, Sotty. I touched on it earlier, I notice he accuses me of fence sitting on Darla yet I had already said she was one of my top scum suspects.

How is naming Darla as one of my top suspects fence sitting?

[jasonT1981]

@Mod: Can I request another prod on Nacho? it is quite clear that he is posting elsewhere on this site and has been posting more, elsewhere since I mentioned it a few hours ago.

Yeah I can mention something.

[jasonT1981]

Hmm i forgot about that game.. there is one glaring difference though in that game and this, if you look at his ISO in that game.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... lect=11658

your linked post is dated June 19th, you will see that before he went missing he was making contributions to the game, and started to again when returning to game. something he has not done here at all.

My vote stays until I see content from him.

[jasonT1981]

So basically, your vote stays untill he realizes the error in his ways in voting you?

At least thats how i see it... pretty much OMGUS

[jasonT1981]

hmm noticeing the language used in that post..

NEED

him to get his vote off and realize his wrong doings...

apart from voting you what else is his wrong doings?
why does he NEED to get his vote off you?

[jasonT1981]

Im not saying its a slip.. im just very curious about the choice of words and wanting him to explain what he means.

I am not saying that I see how saying 'Needs' is slipping though I do want to know why he 'needs' the vote of him.

EBYOP: Nero, he is not saying I am the easy target, he is saying I am picking on an easy target. I had actually typed the same thing asking why i am an easy target with the 'needs' slip until I realized what he had said, re-reading it before posting.

[jasonT1981]

hmmm want to address this before bedtime.

Diddin, you accuse me of being on the fence with Darla even though I had her as one of my top suspects at the time of your post.
the only other thing you have presented on me is my flip will determine others.. so what is this scum read you have on me?

Oh hold on...

@sottyrulez: Care for me to rephrase it? I have a scumread on Jason and Tragedy.

However, since Jason being scum makes Tragedy look town, my scumread on Tragedy is less so than my scumread on Jason.

Speaking of Tragedy, I really don't know what the heck he's doing anymore.

this is interesting....

However, since Jason being scum makes tragedy look town..

If I am scum, would that not mean you are bussing me as you seem to be indicating you already know I am scum .

Infact your whole case on me is my flip will determine others allignments... you have yet to actually present any other reasons apart from the super duper scum read you now have on me... what is that scum read btw? So yea, that and how was I fence sitting on Darla when I had made her one of my top suspects in the game

[jasonT1981]

Why is it so important to get him off of voting for you? Seems odd to be using your vote to essentially scare someone into not voting for you, especially since you're currently in no danger of being lynched.

This was never fully answered.

confused by this

Needs-> Be more active. He should realize that it's meaningless to lynch me now after the elaborated town read.
In any other cases, people got easily lured by the bait.
I'd explain tomorrow anyways.

your vote is on SA and we now have you saying that he has a town read on you but it was not SA that said it, it was Diddin that said it

@sottyrulez: Care for me to rephrase it?

I have a scumread on Jason and Tragedy. However, since Jason being scum makes Tragedy look town, my scumread on Tragedy is less so than my scumread on Jason.

Speaking of Tragedy, I really don't know what the heck he's doing anymore.

SA makes no mention of a town read at all....??

I do find it interesting, very interesting that SA removed the vote with his very next post after Tragedy's post of 'needing' SA to take the vote off.

[jasonT1981]

Actually, on the very next post of Tragedy reiterating it...(post 309/310)

[jasonT1981]

@SottyRulez: What do you think of Nachos claim that you are scum if you live through the night?

[jasonT1981]

Unvote: Sleepless Assassin

Is this unvote on the basis he has now unvoted you..

Also, why did you avoid my points and questions?

[jasonT1981]

SA Votes Tragedy
Tragedy votes SA and says you need to un-vote me to SA
SA comes on and un-votes in his next post
Tragedy in his next posts un-votes SA all while ignoring everything else....

WTF?

[jasonT1981]

im confused by it... there is no actual reasoning to any of it! I want them to explain it.

[jasonT1981]

I find the timing and way it happened suspect

You vote me so I vote you until you unvote
ok i'll unvote
Alright, I'll unvote because you unvoted.

I would like to see how SA feels Tragedy is using off site reasons for his vote.

[jasonT1981]

Both scum? Just one?

Come on, out with it!

Also, did you read SA's unvote post?

Its not that, I just find the entire thing bizarre.. OK, SA had reasoning but its Tragedy's actions that are the more suspect. why i'm questioning it is because as soon as Tragedy asked for SA to unvote, SA found a reason to unvote and right away Tragedy then unvoted.

Tragedy, you never answered... was your vote for SA just because he voted you or is there any other reason.. also could you adress my post about his town read that was not him but wad actually said by Diddim

to me its bizarre play

as for Fonz voting for Wraith, I did a quick ISO and Wraith after his vote and he really has posted nothing but one or two liners. Fonz, why do you not want to give your reason?

[jasonT1981]

ok...

Tragedy responds to SAs vote saying it made no sense for SA to go after a lynch if SA had a town read on Tragedy. I am pointing out that no where did SA say anything about a town read and pointing out it was Diddum that said he was leaning towards a more town read on Tragedy.

Also, Sotty you should know well by now that when I am just skimming and see my name I will address that point right away for the most part.

[jasonT1981]

Sotty, that post was a page beforehand on page 3 with DTM reveal on page 4 and I didn't realize it until after I had caught up fully????

I fail to see what your point is. At that time, it was not clear to ANYONE who the hydra was and I was saying its hard to have Meta on unknown hydras. I didn't realize that DTM was part of the hydra until my full catch up. I briefly skimmed and saw a post askign a question directly at me and I replied with my knowledge at that time. Which was I didn't have any meta on the hydra as I did not know at the time of posting my reply that it was DTM.

[jasonT1981]

Jason, I hadn't seen Tragedy's "need" post when I unvoted. I was only up through Page 8 on my read. If Tragedy's post right before mine had mentioned my name, it probably would have caught my eye if I looked at my post after I made it (can't remember if I did or not), but she referred to me as "he", so it wasn't really noticable.

Sotty... oh Sotty, whats your take on this one?

[jasonT1981]

@Mod: can we get a prod on Fuzzy Beavers? he aint posted since Monday.
Nacho - If you were not going to use it against Sotty, why even bring it up?
Ben needs moe content when he gets back online.

Wonder where Sens has gotten to.. he promised content and nothing yet

I haven't had time to keep up with this game the last couple days. I'm putting aside some time tonight to catch up and contribute.

[jasonT1981]

Sotty.. your 346.. I have already explained everything and you keep pushing for answers I have already given you.

Also, I don't buy this from you that me and SA not seeing something are different, we both didn't see something however you push me on it but let SA off with it. thats double standards from you regardless. Situations are identical, we had not fully caught up and posted without seeing something yet its scummy for me, but not for SA.

V/LA for the weekend. Ive had a shit week and I am going now to get VERY drunk

[jasonT1981]

first off

unvote

Also, there's a third party role around here, I wonder. prepare to suffer, Sideshow Bob.

Care to elaborate?

.

Jason, the off site reasoning from Tragedy was the lynching in RVS thing, which was really the only thing that stood out in the first few pages. It looked like scum playing the cautious card for town points. I conceded that point as soon as we learned that Tragedy has seen that happen off site. However, the lack of stances, OMGUS vote followed by the unvote after mine, and survivalist mentality are just too much to ignore.

I have seen a RVS lynch in a recent game on site I have modded. I guess it is a concern but a very slight one. I have only ever seen it once in 3 years of Maifa both on and off site.

Ben:
Weird. A lot of early content. Unexplained Hiraki vote. Disappears. +Scumpoints.

I had a town read on Ben at the start of this game due to how he was voting without explination, I saw him to it as town in a previous game, and before we won as town I had it out with him thinking he was scum for his voting style. Not sure on him now, he seems to have disappeared at the minute.

at this point (page 15, post 373) Wraith is catching my attention with his seemingly active lurking. by this point a lot of his posts were fluff or filler

@Jason
This post
1. Except I've been withholding meta information from you to do your analysis. You were in a position where YOU COULD META ME but YOU COULDN'T. Because you have the possibility of ANALYZING ME FROM THE META ANGLE that you STRESS SO MUUUUUUCCH ABOUT I'd expect some attacks. or Votes.

But now you have 1 head. Your read sir. Or are you going to spout theory all day like fluffy scum.

2. Why are you arguing about the fact that you didn't know the meta before the half of the head claim. You know, you could do something and actually meta read me now. K? K.

You do make a good point, yes I could not at that time have meta on you because you were with-holding. Did you ever give a reason for with-holding it? I can;t remember now. While I could not meta you at that time, I believed there were other people I or others could focus on, and explore the actions off as at that time everyone was on at you. I do need to re-look at the games we played though to refresh my memory of how you play.

I'll discuss with Nikanor but at the moment i'm confused by his Kage vote :S. I'm more inclined to pressure Tradgy, or Hidikei since my mind is there based on page 7. Fonz's original idea was good but I haven't had a lot of explosure to more of his posts about boberz. So his argument is kind of falling behind as new posts are being made. (at least the argument about intentions with votes).

that can be a problem with Hydras, two opposing views on things. I have never hydra'd for this reason.

Also, don't get me wrong. That wasn't a defense of Wraith, however, I wanted to give you food for thought when it comes to him. That's his natural playstyle and he HAS been town when he's played like that.

I personally find Wraith extremely hard to read, so I'm unsure of him.

at this point, there is very little to actually read from him. Does anyone know if this is town or scum play from Wraith? I don't think I have played with him before.

I also dislike the Hideki vote because it falls under the same logic as The Fonz's vote analysis. A vote without an explanation (i.e. You did not attack the player's logic, but you just called him scummy)

Yeah, I called Hiraki scummy because he was, well, scummy.

Scummy player is scummy... nice.. what reasons though is he scummy, did you even give any? I can't actually remember...let me look..

oh, no you didn't spent an entire post focusing on others,

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p2712811

only to say

I don't like Hiraki.

VOTE: Hiraki

Damn........

Nacho - If you were not going to use it against Sotty, why even bring it up?

To warn the people. They must know.

you have now essentailly nulled this tell though.

now things get interesting with this...

Remember children,

lurking =/= scum.

Have you not been lurking mostly so far? I don't think this is enough to warrent a vote right now but deserves more explination. DH and Nacho pick up on this and vote though. I can understand.

Llama, how do you not see Hiraki as scummy? I may be biased, but I think most people find him at least somewhat scummy.

hmmm, see this is now the 2nd time you have called him scummy but truthfully in ISO you have said very little about him. In fact you still have your vote on him at this point, despite voting early on for him yet have made very little mention of someone you keep saying is so scummy.

Hey guys. Can we do a test? Everyone go to the ISO of Darla.

Get the Search out on the Page.

Type in my name.

Press Enter.

That's damn right. Darla has only mentioned me once. Apparently I'm scum though. You can check of Darla spelled my name wrong, still nothing shows up. That's 2. Other than that, Darla doesn't look too bad, like I said before. Just being an idiot. While sure, you could reason that Darla is just being an idiot by voting me, I don't really want to think that. This is more of a BW, rather than a lolthatswhereiputmyvote excuse. Still for safety, this is why Guderian needs to die first.

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Distancign anyone? or at least trying to create the illusion of distancing by not mentioning Hik?

this I find weird though.

In my re-read of Tragedy, he came up as mainly town. Sleepless looks town too. It's more of a town/town argument then anything.

how so though? these, aside from yourself seem to be the most scummy looking players, how do you feel they are town?

Also this I do not like.

First off, I'd like to apologize for being inactive for awhile.
Second.

Unvote, Vote: Gudierian

Your vote looks a bit too opportunistic to me.

you make a huge post, this is how you open it.. you do not show how the vote is opertunistic. then fail to mention Gudierian again. Why?

This person needs to die to, before DH. That makes me sigh.

Unvote, Vote: tvellalot

Hardly.
The content is coming, it's still ridiculously early in the game.

Early on making excuses not to have to scumhunt. If no one ever decided to scumhunt we would never progress beyond RVS. There are even a few small wagons going at this point that tvelll is ignoring.

very nice find I missed this earlier in the game but you are spot on. Never too early for content. going to look more at Tvell in ISO now as he was off my radar before this.

hmmm quick read of ISO he produced little content at all before hand. tvellalott is now starting to post more in my catch up now (page 16 post 395) he does make a point on Darla though. Someone I do find scummy right now still. I don';t buy her I am a woman and her I have PMS defences.

Jason. You've been still jumping on me forever. I look scum because of my posts, good for you.

Off-site experience doesn't completely have to do what's going on in-game, since it wasn't really information and uses from mafiascum. Ignoring you for the previous posts were completely worth it since you keep blabbing and focusing on me with your damn posts to know why I did this and that, uh-uh, don't focus on that. No-one really wanted to buy my 'needs' anyways.

Either jason's being a noob-hating, aggressive town or some scum. Either way, makes him look noob-hating in some way too.

And yes, the comic guy's worth it.

Wraith: Attention is being shifted towards tvellalot?? Seems more suspicious of tvellalot now because of the attention shift.
Hiraki:

"I'd like to lastly(I think) take another look at tvella and DH. Both have come up as scum reads at one point, but I think DH's was misguided, and tvella still looks a little weird."

This is another sense of scumread which I just picked up recently while reading tvellalot's posts.

Bloody hell, Newb card if ever... I was pushing you because I find you scummy. I rarely allow the newb card to be played (see my games with Andrew or CK) or do not by the newb defence. If its scummy, its scummy and new or experienced need to explain their actions regardless.. how long do we allow scummy behaviour to equate to Newbish?

Worst rant EVER... your in a widow-maker profession, well if you ever got married that is!

Aggression on the part of town is a good thing, no?

Guys, can I haz comments on Wraith? Do people think his actions are not scummy at all, not scummy given meta, null, scummy, what?

on the fence on this, I do not know him or his playstyle. He has picked up my attention though. He could be considered a suspect but not a high up one right this minute.

OK scum suspects.

Hiraki - especially with the below making me think a connection between the two. Maybe bussing.
Mariyta - spends too much time saying Hir is scummy but little to back it up.
tvellalott - seemed content to lurk it out for a while and use excuses for no content. only really when pressured more he posts more.
Darla - Already outlined my reasons.
Ben - Early town read on Ben due to Zachtown mountains game but not been seen in a while making me rethink.


Middle of the road

Beaver - need to look more at past games with the two
Nero - needs far more content, don't like how he accuses me of scum going after less experienced player though in ISO 10.
Deer - needs more content.

Town

Sotty/Zach - typical pressure on me from both as expected. However town read on them, Zachs posts seem to be pressuring me which he does a lot and a Sottyscum usually pushes false meta on me and is a lot more ruthless in attacking me.

The Fonz - not really a meta read but like his posts so far.

Its 2am so I am now going to go to bed, the above lists are mearly my strongest reads/feelings on people. if you are not in that list, it means you are flying under my radar for now. With that said.

vote:Mariyta

I was considering Hirika, however I would like Mar to explain her Hirika tunnelling more, she keeps saying he is scummy and is scum but really fails to produce content as to why.

[jasonT1981]

Hiraki though getting town reads on two suspected scum really flags my attention. I want to pressure Mariyta more though. I believe there could be a connection between the two.

[jasonT1981]

Tragedy is also on the scummy side of the fence on my reads/feelings. I forgot to include him in my scum list when summing up at the end of my post. Urgh. 2.20am bed time!

[jasonT1981]

Urgh, i'll re-look at that tomorrow then. even if you did, 16 pages to explain your vote and yet very little focus on who you have had your vote on from the start is weird. for someone so convinced he was scum, you did very little to prove it.

[jasonT1981]

Emergency V/LA - Some issues have been brewing for the last month and come to a head today that have resulted in me having stacks of paperwork to do, as well as having to explore legal options and am stressed to hell with the situation.

Will reply to Sotty quickly though.

Sotty, yes I have played DTM before, but without going looking through past games I do not actually have a meta on him.. Sorry, but I just don't remember everything people have done in past games that I have played with as town or scum. So if your asking do I have meta on DTM, no sorry I don't...just because I have played before with them does not mean I have a meta read.. especially with it being two people on the account also and not only DTM..

the only people in this game I actually have any sort of Meta on is yourself and Zach as I have played you both so much. I still do say you are town

Anyway, I do agree on Darla. I have had my say on her and my reasons are clear.

unvote
vote: Darla

[jasonT1981]

Boberz, again, what gives you the impression that Tragedy plays for survival regardless of alignment?

I have done this already. Tragedy has no incentive to deliberately look to want to survive. Tragedy is clearly attempting to appear this way (the shameless OMGUS for example) therefore I conclude that tragedy wants to look like somebody who is a survivalist. Therefore tragedy must have survivalist tendancies. Do not ask again, it is distracting and pointless.

---

On the Darla stuff. A few things:

Firstly that wagon cleared so quickly that if Darla is scum then I am betting that somebody who came off the wagon is bussing scum looking for an excuse to jump off it.

Secondly I do not think it should be treated as a pre L-1 vote, I believe Darla thought it was L-1 and his lack of awareness ingame is evidence to support this theory.

Thirdly Groundskeeper Willy is 'bad' in several episodes (if I remember correctly, my simpsons is a bit rusty) and certainly does not fit what I would imagine as a VT in this game.

Fourthly, for those of us not enlightened, what is so town like about DBE according to those fleeing his wagon?

Emergency V/LA - Some issues have been brewing for the last month and come to a head today that have resulted in me having stacks of paperwork to do, as well as having to explore legal options and am stressed to hell with the situation.

Will reply to Sotty quickly though.

Sotty, yes I have played DTM before, but without going looking through past games I do not actually have a meta on him.. Sorry, but I just don't remember everything people have done in past games that I have played with as town or scum. So if your asking do I have meta on DTM, no sorry I don't...just because I have played before with them does not mean I have a meta read.. especially with it being two people on the account also and not only DTM..

the only people in this game I actually have any sort of Meta on is yourself and Zach as I have played you both so much. I still do say you are town

Anyway, I do agree on Darla. I have had my say on her and my reasons are clear.

unvote
vote: Darla

^proof the Darla wagon is stinking of scum.

Boberz's wagonvote based on Meta is awful. Jason's is an obvsheep. I'm ok with a lynch on either of them.

Really? oh really? how is it OBVSheep? considering I have had Darla pegged as scum from early on in the game

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 9#p2721169
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 7#p2721667
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 1#p2721671
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 8#p2715038

And I love this one, from DH, right after me talking about Darla in one of the above linked posts which kinda proves your point is invalid.

Jason, you commented on NOTHING but her AtE. Lets be real.

Also, Didden had tried to make me look bad earlier again on Dalra saying I was fence sitting when I had already said I could see her as scum. Didden is trying to push things on me that are not true, I am getting some heat from Sotty and Steven and I see him as being opertunistic trying to join but make it look like he has reasoning.

So no, I am not Obvsheeping... I have been on Darla from early on in the game, I had a vote on her too earlier on in the game. So why is it OBVSheeping when I put my vote back on her with my reasons being clear from early on?

Also to SottyRulez which I find highly ironic and funny

And where the hell is Jason? Usually by now he'd be eager to get his vote on Kagelord for that rolefishing post.

considering only

FIVE posts before

I had posted this.

Emergency V/LA - Some issues have been brewing for the last month and come to a head today that have resulted in me having stacks of paperwork to do, as well as having to explore legal options and am stressed to hell with the situation.

Will reply to Sotty quickly though.

Sotty, yes I have played DTM before, but without going looking through past games I do not actually have a meta on him.. Sorry, but I just don't remember everything people have done in past games that I have played with as town or scum. So if your asking do I have meta on DTM, no sorry I don't...just because I have played before with them does not mean I have a meta read.. especially with it being two people on the account also and not only DTM..

the only people in this game I actually have any sort of Meta on is yourself and Zach as I have played you both so much. I still do say you are town

Anyway, I do agree on Darla. I have had my say on her and my reasons are clear.

unvote
vote: Darla

Oh dear, was that Zach (Yes, I assume Zach posted this as Sotty knew what my RL issues were at time of me making my V/LA post as I was talking to her about them at the time) missing a post... Something SottyRulez has been bent out of shape on me about?

Will hopefully be back on this evening, still got limited access due to on going issues. Looking at the claim in more detail, but Darla said she was breadcrumbing Willy with her first post, it is similar to what he said in the Xfiles ep.. however alot of me feels it could be a fake claim with fake breadcrumbs.

Kage wanting a claim so early is also quite interesting. More thoughts on both this evening I hope.

Sorry, everyone. I will explain my situation in full at the end of the game, some major shit has gone down here that needs legal options explored and my head is everywhere at the minute with it.

[jasonT1981]

OK, Checking in. I think everything that has gone on this past week has been sorted. Going to catch up at some point before tomorrow afternoon. been skimming before the game kicks off and seen some rather weird behaviour from quite a few that is alarming. but will comment more on that when I get fully caught up

[jasonT1981]

quick notes

Sensfans catch up - will see what delivers (updated as of 512 with BBE vote)

Kage seems interested in taking away from scum hunting and going into hypo flavor post 485

Re:Sotty487 - I had noticed his calling for a claim, at that time I think it was more premeture asking rather than fishing, Darla was a high lynch possibility and would have been asked for a claim sooner or later... however yes, the fact it was so early was scummy.

LlamaFluff 493 is correct, everyone in Simpsons can be seen as evil or good in some way.

Sotty497 makes a very good point, Kage does seem to be trying to deflect blame from the claim of darla 498 is also good. I am confident in my town read on SottyRulez right now. Both seem to be playing to their town selves as far as I can see.

Diddin 505 - What was wrong with the timing of my vote? I had plenty of times expressed my views on DarlaScum

Didden seems to avoid questions on the bear... interesting

Mist comes in with 2 very weird votes.... says the vote on DBE is random despite DBE being the big wagon.... very very interesting.

Okay TO MANY PAGES. Can someone just give a quick summary of what has happened so far?? Ask me questions trial me if you like. Also I have no past games on tis site so no meta for you. Please do this as quick as you can. That would be reall helpful.

WTF? why replace into a game then not want to read... mafia is about your own thoughts, not others telling you what to do or whats happened. you need to make up your own mind

Tragedy 523 is interesting - seems to implicate Tvel but votes Kage

Mist 524 - Is mist even bothering to play?

Benmage 528 calls Sens on promised content but has been rather lacking himself

Mist 540 seems fluff

Mist 546 - promises catch up tomorrow, lets see,,,,

Wraith 562/563 is WTF? I am assuming drunken posts as it is making no sense

Tragedy 564 is also WTF

Boberz in 565 is correct, Kage did goad for a claim then tries to claim innocent

Mist 568 another fluff post

Mariyta still calling for Hiraki votes, seems to almost be tunnelling

Mist with a vote with no explination after asking for reasons earlier on Hak... don't like this

Is Wraith Rolefishing here?

Darla's good vigbait. I think Hiraki's good for today, and since this game has slowed to a snail's pace I think it's about time we wrapped the day up.

Mist 578 - No lynch? we have a few good wagons and your also creeping up peoples scum suspicions... to call for no lynch is crazy!

I fail to see how Mariyta failes to see the case on Kage (583) protecting a buddy?

Senas makes a nice point... Mist is alt?

Mist 594 - WTF again, OK its obivious it is an ALT, he knows how to play mafia and is admitting to trolling... I don't get it, why play like this?

Mist 602... I think I know what mist is doing here... he wants lynched, Anyone care to gues why?

Mist is just a distraction and not worth the lynch. TBH I don't like that Hiraki is trying to divert the wagon on him to Mist.

well said, I think I have mist figured out now... we should not lynch him. I still would be happy with a DBE lynch right now.. Mist is being annoying on purpose, put 2+2 together and you will know why!

[jasonT1981]

These competing wagons are a joke. The kage one is composed of at worst all slight town reads

. The hikari one has two leaning town reads and all the others scum/leaning scum. I really am having a hard time seeing the Hikari case here

unvote
Vote Kage

Wagon winner! Tvell can just be bullet winner.

KageLord(5)-Fuzzy Beavers, The Fonz, sottyrulez, LlamaFluff, Tragedy,

If the wagon is a joke.. why are you on it?

[jasonT1981]

ohhhhh ok I see now. my mistake.

[jasonT1981]

Guys the reason it may seem like I'm trolling is because this is how I usually play offsite. Maybe because I have been there longer and the people know me they don't get frustrated by it. Since I'm new here you guys don't enjoy it.

I'm sorry I'm not giving Any clues if I'm town sided or not but I don't play like that. I always play the same s

o you will never catch me

. I hope you guys can just take me for who I am and just deal with it. I'm playing this game my way like you guys. We all have our own ways of playing.

But if you are town, you would want to make sure to play to help the town... would you not?

[jasonT1981]

hmm, I did an ISO on Guderian and it seems like my initial thoughts on Mist are well off, given Guderian didn't play that way. Mist, who do you see as scum and why?

[jasonT1981]

You all are idiots. Mist is Guiderian. Hint hint. I can't be scummy for reciting someone.

umm wha??

Mist7676 replaces Guderian effective immediately.

why would Gud replace out only to replace in with an Alt account? that makes no sense at all to me... Gud wasnt really scummy and Mist is.. the two play styles in ISO are completely different, why would he replace into his own slot on a diff account and behave like this when no suspicion was on the account in first place... It looks like you are trying to dirty him more to secure a lynch.

Also holy rolefishing for a doc mist.. your tryin to get a doc claim and counter-claim all while trying to say its not what you want... why even bring it up? your playstyle, though maybe funny for you, has for once not got me chuckling.

unvote
vote:Mist

[jasonT1981]

oh... it made it seem like you were saying Mist was Gud.

[jasonT1981]

^^^^

Scum-Slip, anyone in the last line?

[jasonT1981]

If you think so where's your vote Jason?

ummm it has been on Mist for a day now... oh my, did you MISS something? hmmm.

You all are idiots. Mist is Guiderian. Hint hint. I can't be scummy for reciting someone.

umm wha??

Mist7676 replaces Guderian effective immediately.

why would Gud replace out only to replace in with an Alt account? that makes no sense at all to me... Gud wasnt really scummy and Mist is.. the two play styles in ISO are completely different, why would he replace into his own slot on a diff account and behave like this when no suspicion was on the account in first place... It looks like you are trying to dirty him more to secure a lynch.

Also holy rolefishing for a doc mist.. your tryin to get a doc claim and counter-claim all while trying to say its not what you want... why even bring it up? your playstyle, though maybe funny for you, has for once not got me chuckling.

unvote
vote:Mist

[jasonT1981]

oh blagh, getting people mixed up again, I have been doing that recently. I still feel Mist is best lynch for today.

[jasonT1981]

If you think so where's your vote Jason?

ummm it has been on Mist for a day now... oh my, did you MISS something? hmmm.

defensive scum is defensive.

no, I got mist and Tragedy confused. I was saying my vote was already on Mist, I got the two completely mixed up and was trying to make a now completely invalid point against Sotty who had gone after me earlier for missing the DTM reveal even though I had not seen it.

I thought Sotty had missed my vote.. but bah. wrong people!

[jasonT1981]

bloody hell, i come on and am the popular wagon with Sotty leading the charge by the looks of it. I thought you would have picked up my hints by now I have been dropping them all day 1. I am

Doctor

Julius Hibbert.

[jasonT1981]

bloody hell, i come on and am the popular wagon with Sotty leading the charge by the looks of it. I thought you would have picked up my hints by now I have been dropping them all day 1. I am

Doctor

Julius Hibbert.

If you're town you're almost as dumb as Mist.

bite me asshole

[jasonT1981]

but I would like these hints referenced.

Something about that makes me chuckle lol.

HAHA why yes, yes I have. I would recommend a healthy diet as opposed to ribwhiches though.

I'll give you a lollypop if you come answer my questions, Tragedy.

[/b][/i]

Right now, this game makes me feel like a a Ford urinating on a Chevrolet..

I also didn't realize she was a girl I should have looked closer, I guess the umbilical cord had not been cut or something.. urgh i'm heading off to bed I should really try and sleep but I feel like ive downed a box of pixie sticks.

It sounds like the canary is not going to die of natural causes

what of her defence for things? PMS and emotional woman?

I don't get it (chuckles) I get accused of fence sitting on Darla which is scummy, then I take a stance on her and move my vote its scummy.... "worst prognosis ever!" Hee hee hee. But between Darla, Tragedy and Nero at least one of them has the evil gene.

Worst rant EVER... your in a widow-maker profession, well if you ever got married that is!

Also, note this, my reaction to the doc talk that has a Hibbert reference too

Also holy rolefishing for a doc mist.. your tryin to get a doc claim and counter-claim all while trying to say its not what you want... why even bring it up? your playstyle, though maybe funny for you, has for once not got me chuckling.

unvote
vote:Mist

[jasonT1981]

Also, please show me exactly where the heck I have been sheeping.

I apologize to the mod for my outburst but this game is getting to personal with the name calling by both Diddin and Hirika

[jasonT1981]

You all are idiots. Mist is Guiderian. Hint hint. I can't be scummy for reciting someone.

[jasonT1981]

Last night I protected the Fonz, he was my other town read yesterday. I had considered protecting Sotty as that was also a town read however with the WIFOM introduced by Nacho about if Sotty lives they are town I felt scum would not target them last night.

[jasonT1981]

Mariyta, Tragedys vote is shameless hoping on the badwagon as I spent a lot of the day yesterday considering him as scum and is still borderline OMGUS from him. His entire reasons for thinking I am scum are that I thought he was scum and pushing him alot I believe. Right now my scum list would be

Hiraki
DarlaBlueEyes
Tragedy
Diddin

However, Hiraki today has gotten even worse and I feel is the most likely to be scum out of the list

vote: Hiraki

[jasonT1981]

Hir... please stop with the attitude, swearing and name calling. It was not an insult at you by Mar, it was an observation of exactly what you have been doing. Your attitude in this game is terrible and you are producing NOTHING that is helping the town. THAT is why my vote is on you!

[jasonT1981]

Also, if you need a place to start defending yourself... the points made against you by quite a few in day one and 2 would be a good start.

Don't act like there is nothing against you and playing the 'oh, me?' act as if nothing has been brought forth against you

[jasonT1981]

Hiraki I am talking about today, how you seem to be doing nothing. One big post hardly changes that stance

[jasonT1981]

Last night I protected the Fonz, he was my other town read yesterday. I had considered protecting Sotty as that was also a town read however with the WIFOM introduced by Nacho about if Sotty lives they are town I felt scum would not target them last night.

correction, I meant if Sotty lives they are scum introduced by Nacho

[jasonT1981]

Did you miss yesterday?

[jasonT1981]

The Flavour of the night kill write-up also matched to that character. (Barney being a drunk)

[jasonT1981]

I really don't like Hiraki is playing the no case on me thing acting as if he has been as good as gold and nothing to answer for and then playing the 'who, me?' card when pressed.

Nothing towards scum hunting today and shows no actual interest in doing so still.
Add to that yesterday.

I think its a pretty solid bet for scum right there!

[jasonT1981]

But seriously, it's the perfect opportune time to get in a mislynch. This does NOT include the claim and hammer; I don't think scum would be as dumb as to be vocal towards her lynch after the claim.

Playing as scum before, even as a moderately seasoned player, I find myself shutting up and letting the mislynch just happen

, and I expect the same out of others. It's normal human psychology.

Interesting you say you shut up and let the mislynch happen... almost as if you knew it would be a

mislynch

.

[jasonT1981]

I know your talking about how as scum that is what you would do and what scum might do in this situation... just something doesn't sit right with that post in my head at least. It feels forced.

edit: No, I mean you said it almost as if you knew it WOULD be a mislynch. as in before the flip happened.

[jasonT1981]

Are you being for real, jason? DH said

"as scum"

.

Is there a time, in a game without 2 scum groups, that you are scum and don't know when a lynch is a mislynch?

>.>

I am aware he said as scum. I already said that... read next post.I still am a bit suspect of the post though.

interesting in the bold... are you saying there is two scum teams here, or you know there is not two scum teams?

EDIT: Damn, nice point by Fonz on Sens at the top. Sens?

[jasonT1981]

I fail to see anything remotely scummy about Fonz TBH

[jasonT1981]

the fact Hiraki seems to be slinking back into the background and making himself un-noticed when a new wagon takes attention of him makes me even more sure he is scum. Keep low when a new wagon forms away from you.... known scum trick I think.

[jasonT1981]

Again, completely nothing from Hiraki. Only coming out when called out, making a statement about lurking and return to where he came from.

Seriously.. nothing to this game at all day 2.. can we hang him now please?

[jasonT1981]

DH, being town because you are on the site longer or whatever is the stupidest thing I have EVER heard. You are reaching bigtime there.

What does length of time on site got to do with alignment?

[jasonT1981]

How about you make a convincing case that people agree with. Sound fair?


If I'm a lurker, then why haven't I been prodded. Here's a good question. Jason, who's your scumteam? I want reasoning.
.

Already said that today, pay attention please.

Mariyta, Tragedys vote is shameless hoping on the badwagon as I spent a lot of the day yesterday considering him as scum and is still borderline OMGUS from him. His entire reasons for thinking I am scum are that I thought he was scum and pushing him alot I believe. Right now my scum list would be

Hiraki
DarlaBlueEyes
Tragedy
Diddin

However, Hiraki today has gotten even worse and I feel is the most likely to be scum out of the list

vote: Hiraki

For cases, just read me in ISO and you will see several points against them

[jasonT1981]

I'm still pretty confident that Hiraki is scum, but there's much better odds in going after one of the non voters. I'm going to look at each one more closely first before putting in a vote.

How is this supposed to make sense?

Fuck Ribwich. You're bing opportunistic.

Yea, still failure to do anythign just coming in making short posts, and slinking back into the background.

this guy needs to han

[jasonT1981]

because, you are still to this moment not adding anything to this game

[jasonT1981]

And I still find Tragedy to be scum.

Who are your scum suspects, Hiraki?

[jasonT1981]

Bob do you have any evedience towards what you are saying about Simpsons with strong PRs... or are you actually playing outguess the mod?

[jasonT1981]

Okay, lets show Fonz how much of an idiot he's being this game.

You may lynch me now. Regret later.

I hope you guys take off your votes I wanna use my power.

So when do votes come off.

Lets take a vote. Who here thinks that this is not AtE?

DH, I REALLY am not sure what you are trying to get at here... because you were also on the wagon that saw Mist lynched.

Mist7676 - 13 -

hiraki, SensFan, jasonT1981, The Fonz, sottyrulez, DarlaBlueEyes, LlamaFluff, KageLord, DemonHybrid, Nero Cain, Mariyta, boberz, ribwich

Unless I am completely misreading this whole thing.

[jasonT1981]

Actually, disregard that. I see the arguement is about town motives of hammering sorry.

Mists posts did look big time like Appeal to Emotion.

[jasonT1981]

I was not rolefishing. I was pointing out his entire theory is based on outguessing the mod which is a game I do not want to play. He was introducing WIFOM based on nothing at all. The fact he would introduce WIFOM is scummy in itself.

[jasonT1981]

Hiraki, it wasn't that I was defending you and saying you were town day 1. I was pushing Maryita to actually explain WHY you were scum as she spent most of the day saying you were scum but not really backing up why.

[jasonT1981]

But the point is that you found me to be town yesterday, except for a few facts, and now see me to be confirmed scum because I haven't added as much in comparison.

Jason. You didn't ask Maryita anything. That's a flat out lie.

The above two posts are lies, all while accusing me of lies. I will outline below

Actually I did ask things of Mar about you, I was pressuring her many times to explain her vote and stance on you. I didn't say you were town at all day 1. In fact day 1 I had you pegged as scum also. This is it.

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p2732324


As for finding you town yesterday, that again is a flat out LIE. you will notice I call you on many scummy things as well as at the bottom.. this bit quoting right here...

Hiraki - especially with the below making me think a connection between the two. Maybe bussing.

Mariyta - spends too much time saying Hir is scummy but little to back it up.
tvellalott - seemed content to lurk it out for a while and use excuses for no content. only really when pressured more he posts more.
Darla - Already outlined my reasons.
Ben - Early town read on Ben due to Zachtown mountains game but not been seen in a while making me rethink.

Now for the questioning of Mar that you say I didn't

Hiraki though getting town reads on two suspected scum really flags my attention. I want to pressure Mariyta more though. I believe there could be a connection between the two.

Hell, I even link the two of you as SCUM in day 1

Urgh, i'll re-look at that tomorrow then. even if you did, 16 pages to explain your vote and yet very little focus on who you have had your vote on from the start is weird. for someone so convinced he was scum, you did very little to prove it.

here is more questioning and pressure on Mar above, and below more

Mariyta still calling for Hiraki votes, seems to almost be tunnelling

So yes, you are flat out lying... I did NOT have you as town on day 1 like you say, nor am I lying over my posts on Mar. 2 lies from you Hikari to make me look bad

[jasonT1981]

I am dosed with flu, so doubt I will be about today much more. going back to my bed to relax.

[jasonT1981]

actually no, at the time of the first post I was thinking Mist was a jester. then looking back at his predecessors' play suggested he was not.. I even noted that in a post. Nice of you to leave THAT out though.

hmm, I did an ISO on Guderian and it seems like my initial thoughts on Mist are well off, given Guderian didn't play that way. Mist, who do you see as scum and why?

nice selective quoting though... your arrow down misses out my post...

suspicious?

[jasonT1981]

.

Jason

Can you lay out, in detail, your case on Hiraki? Don't reply with “look at my ISO” I don't recall you ever laying out all the points against him in one post. Can you do that ASAP please? It might help us understand where you are coming from better than numerous posts about how he needs to hang.

Also, if you find Tragedy to be scum, why aren't you voting for him when you consider Sens info? Hiraki was on wagon, Tragedy was not.

Yes sure... I already did here. No point recitign, I will link to it.

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p2732324

and here

Hiraki though getting town reads on two suspected scum really flags my attention. I want to pressure Mariyta more though. I believe there could be a connection between the two.

Also then his play today which you already know I am suspicious of.

Why not voting tragedy? I feel we will get more info and connections with a Hiraki lynch.

[jasonT1981]

Fonz, he conveniently missed out a post in-between his two quotes of mine where I ISOd the person he replaced and seen nothing resembling what I was thinking.

Its a cheep attempt to dirty me because I have him as a suspect. He has been OMGUS on me the entire game so far.

[jasonT1981]

Consigliere, Sotty is currently restricted in their posts. Silenced if you will to only 10 posts today. I don't see that happening to Nacho also TBH.

Sotty provided Meta on Nacho doing this sort of thing earlier when I had a vote on him for his lurking on day 1. However, this is alot more extreme than it was on Day 1.

[jasonT1981]

to be honest, I am not sure. He has been known to lurk as town as posted by Sotty earlier in this game but I don't think I have much experience with a scum Nacho doing this. But I have seen him disappear for days on end in games.

[jasonT1981]

I looked at the game that I was in that nacho uber lurked....the linked post is from Sotty, Nacho was avoiding that game while being active all over the site also

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 4#p2325254

So, town to me at the minute if I am to go of that game. However

@Mod: Can we get a prod on Nacho and anyone else not posting atm?

[jasonT1981]

bloody hell, that is TWO important things Tragedy has missed that he posted about on the last page alone.

[jasonT1981]

It is almost like Tragedy is going out of his way to dirty me in whatever way he can. Really, thats two things he has called me on to make me look scummy that have already been explained clearly and easily.

[jasonT1981]

I do agree, Tragedy is bad. And trying to make me look bad with his ignoring posts to make me look bad with selective quoting. His whole reason for pushing at me is because I suspect him. I'm down for a Tragedy lynch. Its like paranoid scum trying to push anything at his accusor

unvote
vote: Tragedy

[jasonT1981]

Also, there's probably a slight chance we have a Watcher.

Lovely rolefishing...

6/22 scums.

If we reduce, you'd get 3/11 in a special case.

hmmm, how do you know there is 6 scum????? seems like inside info

[jasonT1981]

@Tragedy, yea but I fail to see were your getting 6 scum from unless you know exactly.

[jasonT1981]

Why did you bold "Maggie" in one of your first posts?

I hate the bold thing....cuz I always see it as some sort of soft or fake claim deal....Just for emphasis I presume? I'll say this much, you doing that gives a player like me a reason to pause before voting you.

Also, you adding "fuuu" to your claim makes me wonder just what the hell you are doing as well. It is confusing as hell...IE: Are you playing the "Nah I was just jokin' guize!" deal?

Soup to nuts story on you (thus far): Confusing is not cool...especially intentional confusion creation....and my take is I wouldn't shed a tear at your lynching.

#1: Maggie was just a simple thought of a flavor role in this game. Of course, I did think she would be a killer because of that episode of when Mr.Burns was

accidentally

shot by Maggie, or was it not...

#2: Had to claim immediately since I

knew

there would be a large wagon against me, and it was during the night, though... The

Fuuu

part was just for quick boredom, mhm. Thus far, yes, I am a

Vanilla Townie

. As the Comic Book Guy, I don't really

do

anything during the night. Doesn't seem scum, but any scum would claim him since no one would've really thought of claiming him anyways. I state no lies for being a VT. Phoo.

rolefishing again!

[jasonT1981]

Kk. Thanks for lynching a VT then!
I hope Town wins miraculously, then.

Enjoy your luck tonight <3, but you wouldn't really care for an idiot to be lynched anyways. Satisfied, JASON?

Why just single me out there? lol

[jasonT1981]

Short V/LA - Got a few Job interviews tomorrow and Friday. Including one I really want.

[jasonT1981]

Its like paranoid scum trying to push anything at his accusor

lololololol funny because I've noticed you doing that a lot too. In fact you do it in the post right after this one. I don't think you're scum for it, but it amuses me that it's what you seem to find a major scumtell.

Go back and read this game please, Kage. I have been saying Tragedy is scum long before he started saying I was scum. He was one of my earliest suspects in this game I believe, I had been saying I thought he was scum since Day 1. In-fact.. his reasons for voting me and suspecting me are nothing but OMGUS with no actual facts behind them.

So now, I am not doing that a lot too. I have posted my reasons as to why he is scum in my book. Tragedy only started saying I was scum when I started pushing him

[jasonT1981]

sure, humor me

[jasonT1981]

Alright first and foremost Steven Hacking is scum.

I tracked him to Llamaluff…here’s the kicker…. I also tracked him to the Fonz….This is why I was like w.t.f!! But how many town roles visit two people in one night? And Llama’s dead…nonono.

I once again protected Fonz last night....

[jasonT1981]

Wanted to try and WIFOM the scum. Would I risk protecting the same person twice in a row or would I try and protect someone else who I was saying was town?

Yes, it lacks a vote.... For a reason.

I really want to see SH explanation.

[jasonT1981]

Guys, don't lynch either until we've heard both claims. There is a protown explanation. It isn't likely and it almost certainly doesn't apply to both of them, but it exists.

hence why I have not voted yet.

[jasonT1981]

I find it very interesting given whats come about today Wraith is very focused on trying to push me as scum.. protecting a buddy maybe? Hell,

Also the whole Jason is alive today so cant be doctor... do you know how much WIFOM is involved there... something scum would push heavy on a claimed doc I feel.. let him live, therefor the fact he is alive makes it look like the claim is a lie.

Also the HE WAS NOT EVEN ROLEBLOCKED...

How do you know that?

SCUMSLIP!

As said before only investigation roles would get informed and they are not usually even told they are roleblocked....they get a message from mod saying investigation unsucessful. not that they were roleblocked

Interesting also, Wraith has focused VERY LITTLE on the info out there today... only voting and then completely turning to hypos and WIFOM. Surely the info that has came out today would be a lot more town would want to talk about instead of the why/why nots of someone being alive a day after a claim.

[jasonT1981]

Don't go getting all pissed off and defensive. You're not going to be lynched today. But we need to think through all the options. Based on your "Let's kill the doc" comments, you're more likely to be scum than diddin at this point, but as I already said, I need to re-read. So cool your jets.

Meh, maybe that's your point of view.

Probably my main beef with him is that he's been trying to get me lynched for quite a while now

, plus I made a bigger post outlining my suspicions on him earlier. While I can't see why people suspect me for the most part, I can see the whole "He's trying to kill the claimed doc" part of it. So here's the explanation: I believed a (obviously bogus) doc claim in a LyLo, and it lost me a game. Meta

OK your main beef with me is that I suspect you as scum and have perused that avenue... so you are now pushing WIFOM to show me as scum all because really.... I suspect you?

Awesome!

[jasonT1981]

fair enough on that last point

[jasonT1981]

Actually Wraith, you declared with seeming certainty that Jason wasn't roleblocked.

Of course there would have to be a scum roleblocker to even roleblock him to begin with. (A condition that hasn't even been established)

Also whether or not there is a roleblocker and whether or not he would be roleblocked is something Jason himself wouldn't actually have any control over, and thus is a non point in discussing whether or not he's town or scum.

Fine, it's a scumslip. Lynch me, because I'm scum.

I hope I don't have to add the html tags. Some people might actually take this post seriously.

oh boy... lots more WIFOM.

[jasonT1981]

Might be worth taking seriously with all the scrambling you are doing.

I have come to realize, quite a lot of scum claims are designed to make people think they are being sarcastic so it would not be taken seriously... on a small related note.

@Zach specifically... remember the game you claimed SK and ended up being true!

[jasonT1981]

Just brought back memories..

[jasonT1981]

But why would I scramble to defend myself here? I am in no danger of being lynched for at least two days. What this does get me, though, is t

wo days extended life due to the scumteams keeping me around as an easy mislynch target

.

funny.... yet your calling me scum because I am still alive, then use the scum keep me alive for a mislynch defense?

you see the irony?

[jasonT1981]

This is hilarious to watch. It'll be even more hilarious to watch when I'm dead.

in what way?

[jasonT1981]

you are completely misrepping him there.

He is not saying or implying you ARE lying.... he is saying that upon your flip it is revealed you are lying and are town claiming scum he is going to blacklist you.

[jasonT1981]

bloody hell... are you really tryin to get us drunk on WIFOM tonight?

As for classification.. A scum claim is a scum claim. It is taken at face value.

[jasonT1981]

Goddammit, Wraith.

I vote anyone who claims they are scum.

If they are town and they claim scum/flip town, then I blacklist them.

It's not rocket science.

I don't know about you, but I don't classify sarcasm as lying. I knew I should have included the tags.

And nacho, if I'm such obvious scum, why not the pressure? I mean,

obviously

I'll start "flailing" and give up my scum partners.

Sarcasm can also be used by the guilty as a self defense mechanism

[jasonT1981]

The Doc is alive so he must be scum
Scum will keep me alive to mislynch
I am scum
I am being sarcastic about my claim
I would out my buddies as scum
I am not using WIFOM as WIFOM

No WIFOM you say?

[jasonT1981]

The thing is... it has REALLY deflected away from the SH and Rib info and got everyone forgetting about it to focus on him.

[jasonT1981]

@nacho: Yeah, well I'm damned if I do and damned it don't. So excuse me for having a little fun before I go.

@Jason: Obviously all part of my cunning plan to get myself lynched in place of the confirmed scum.[/sarcasm]

so, you wanna have fun... by really messing with the town before you go?

please stop the sarcasm, it really adds more WIFOM and is not helping you any... you have not defended yourself in a manner that you really should be.. instead you seemingly are having fun playing the town for your own amusement.

And if you really are town and are lying, you will be blacklisted from my games to.

Screw this, its 4am, I have a headache and I am going to bed.

[jasonT1981]

in all this mess, who are the 'scumbags'

[jasonT1981]

SH is also at L-2 in all this mess. He has yet to check in, as has Rib and a few others.

[jasonT1981]

Wraith STOP WITH THE FUCKING WIFOM... JESUS FUCKING CHRIST!

I'm done.

[jasonT1981]

I protected Ben last night.

[jasonT1981]

hmm interesting you claim skinner... known for handing out disciple

LlamaFluff, Otto Mann (Springfield One-Shot Bus Driver) - Discliplined Night Two

vote:Wraith

[jasonT1981]

Also, yea... how is Diddin confirmed town? or is this in his head?

[jasonT1981]

JasonT1981: Benmage has CONFIRMED the presence of a roleblocker. The claimed doctor has not yet been killed or roleblocked. Save for last in case of new evidence, but DO NOT ALLOW HIM TO LIVE TO LYLO

Again, we all have to ask... how do you know i have NOT been role-blocked?

[jasonT1981]

Also, with scum killing differently than who I have so far protected... how exactly do you KNOW I have not been role blocked. I protected Fonz night 1 and there was only one kill...

[jasonT1981]

I protected Ben last night.. given the info he produced and caught 2 scum I thought he would be a highly likely target.

Also on your scum can only kill on even nights..I can sorta understand were you are coming from... there was only 1 kill night 1 & 3 and 2 kills Night 2 & 4.

Also, defensive? well you keep calling on about me so off course I am going to respond.

[jasonT1981]

Wraith. Wouldn't it be more sensible, upon your observations, that we lynch Jason today?

I mean, we can't assume that you're scum and just kill Lowell and Diddin. I mean, I'd much rather kill Diddin and you, but Jason looks like a better dude.

So, you would rather lynch a claimed Doctor than hunt scum...

noted

[jasonT1981]

hmm interesting you claim skinner... known for handing out disciple

LlamaFluff, Otto Mann (Springfield One-Shot Bus Driver) - Discliplined Night Two

vote:Wraith

^^^^^^
Wraith needs to be todays lynch

[jasonT1981]

When I'm dead and flip exactly what I told you all I was, please do not subtract me from Sens' scan count. As I've said, I DID NOT SHOW UP AS A THREAT IN HIS SCAN.

Didn't someone say that there are kids who are scum? If that's the case, look closely at Consig.

Look...I'm sorry...but I can't find that any feasible moderator would consider a role that has the goal of killing a springfield member as having the "best interests of springfield" in mind while that player was alive and in their crosshairs.

It's really that simple and common sense.

If you are actually telling the truth, then be prepared for fireworks in the endgame...cuz me and Brosius are gonna tango.

Given the fact two scum flips on each side have had flips from Springfield Mafia, and 2 flips have been from Nuclear plant I very much doubt this right now, also, if you want to talk about Sens cencus count in this case, you have to look and see Sens flipped Lisa Simpson, Bob, Bart Simpson so that theory is completely out the window anyway.

My bet is the final scums are tied to Mafia and the Nuclear Plant in some way.

Mariyta post is nothing but an attempt to spread fear and confusion on the town.

vote:Mariyta

nothing about her posting there seemed town

[jasonT1981]

Look...I'm sorry...but I can't find that any feasible moderator would consider a role that has the goal of killing a springfield member as having the "best interests of springfield" in mind while that player was alive and in their crosshairs.

.

^^ Very much, this

[jasonT1981]

I was talking about the bit about the kids being scum. And how that is not possible at all given both kids flipped town and not understanding why we should look at you.

Didn't someone say that there are kids who are scum? If that's the case, look closely at Consig.

She said about someone mentioning the kids were scum.. and if thats the case look at you.. I feel she was intentionally trying to dirty you to save face herself and make it look like she is trying to help town given that there is now no chance of the kids flipping scum given the scum flip flavors so far, ( Springfield Mafia and Nuclear pant staff.. why would kids be scum with them as it makes more sense that the remaining scum are also of those flavor. )and only Maggie remaining if she is in the game.

Oh and also, Bart and Lisa being dead and all as well, and Millhouse also being town.. Kids can't be scum.

[jasonT1981]

oh yes I agree, but the fact it was brought up when its confirmed they can't be is weird to me.

[jasonT1981]

And the fact that she tries to push it on Con as if it is still possible..

Didn't someone say that there are kids who are scum? If that's the case, look closely at Consig.

read: If the kids are scum, look at Con.

[jasonT1981]

When I'm dead and flip exactly what I told you all I was, please do not subtract me from Sens' scan count. As I've said, I DID NOT SHOW UP AS A THREAT IN HIS SCAN.

interesting thing I have dug up..

Pay the hell attention, this is like the third time someone has asked me. There is absolutely no wiggle-room, exactly two anti-town roles exist on the Mist wagon; no false positives, nor false negatives.

no wiggle room, two anti-town roles on Mist. You would have shown up on the scan I believe....also this

I lied yesterday; I needed a way to get my info out there and not be killed, since I'm actually a 2-shot Sensor.
5 threats to the Town on the lynchwagon yesterday.

[1/10]

threats to town, yea... you would have shown up I believe. Im so frackin confused right now.

[jasonT1981]

^^ quote fail! but you get the jist

[jasonT1981]

Mari's claim was just too shit to ignore. Either she's being as dumb as Mist was or she's scum. I doubt she's dumb, so...

Either way she would have been shown as anti-town on census so she is lying.

I get what you are saying DH and I am tending to agree, its Mar that is confusing me now... I don't buy the claim.. I am thinking one scum team could be completely gone and a SK is active. Sens did say Anti-town and threats to town... not just scum. I think he did that on purpose.

there are still 2 kills in the night...and she has claimed she was at least at one time a SK....

Also upon re-reading... Fonz and Mar had some back and forth in day 1, she did a lot of buddying to Fonz, declared him town.. I protected Fonz Night one and there was only one kill..... this is what is getting me, the whole Mar situation.

But yes, I think the diddin thing is solid with how DH puts it,.. I will

unvote

but urge no one to lynch yet until SA comes into play. I still think Mar is an anti-town/threat to town role that Sens talked about. But Diddin is confirmed scum by all logical play.

[jasonT1981]

exactly, scum 1st and foremost then 3rd party after.. I like that thinking it is town thinking.

[jasonT1981]

I agree with his lynch.. looking over it, it seems solid and I am in agreement but please, let SA come in with his say before we lynch. He aint been active since his last post on the site and only made 21 posts in this game... He needs input ASAP especially in this late stage of the game.

[jasonT1981]

I think Diddin push on you right now further shows how he needs to go today. It seems like desperate scum clambering to anything he can to survive and not really believing his own words but want us to listen to them anyway.

[jasonT1981]

SA has two posts since Day 2. Just lynch me already, I've given up convincing DH and everyone mindlessly sheeping him.

Scum admission? conceding defeat

[jasonT1981]

oh yes I agree, but the fact it was brought up when its confirmed they can't be is weird to me.

Please explain to me how it's confirmed that they can't be scum/scum can't have kid fakeclaims.

Bart, Lisa and Milhouse are dead already

[jasonT1981]

But at that time, you were a threat to town.. Bart was town... you were a threat to him.. and therefor a threat to town also if you had a hit on a town member.

Also, was Ribwich not meaning Bart & Lisa when he first talked about kids as scum though? thats what I am getting at.

[jasonT1981]

Meh, im tired.. going to bed. 1am night all.

[jasonT1981]

I can't help the way the mod casted the roles yo. TBH I wouldn't be surprised if Bart or Lisa were the scum roles. The less obvious would be more obvious. The closer we are to danger the farther we are from harm. etc etc. take your pick.

I am what I am regardless, can't change that. Believe it or don't.

Hmm...interesting choice of characters you just put there. I have role related info that suggests that either there are kids in the mafia or that there's a second scum group made up entirely of kids. I find it very interesting that you chose two kids that you're surprised would have scum roles, almost as if you know one of them is a scum role.

EBWOP: two kids that you're

not

surprised would have scum roles

Yes, I am right... the convo about Kids being scum was Bart/Lisa as scum and info relating to a group of kids being scum which is now proven to not be.

We were not talking about fakeclaims, Mar.... we were talking about kids being scum.. something you said yourself TODAY when the kids have been confirmed not scum.

Didn't someone say that there are kids who are scum? If that's the case, look closely at Consig.

NOTHING ABOUT SCUM HAVING KID FAKE CLAIMS.

So yes, how does that mean we should look closely at Con?

[jasonT1981]

I'm pretty surprised jason wasn't killed yet, actually. So...hell, I don't know. I'm not going to break open the pinot noir quite yet.

I find Consig more genuine, so I want a SA lynch. Lurky player is lurky.

Me too. I can only assume WIFOM purposes because it had been talked about making sure I was lynched if I was alive day 5/6 and look.. i survived that long.

Ok, now I am really going to bed. Night ya all

[jasonT1981]

Aaaannndd...Jason leaves.

Wassup wit dat?

Sorry, I was only on MS to check my messages quickly earlier had to run into town for a docs appointment related to the below.

Night 5: I submitted no action, this was an oversight, I had been taken into hospital briefly with a concussion, this was why I had been so quiet the past few days(game days), when I got on to make a post... the day had ended again

Night 6: I protected Con, I have been getting probably the most town vibes from her lately. DH slightly behind her.

[jasonT1981]

DH & Con, please don't go down this route of arguing and letting scum slip through. right now I see this argument as town vs town. You disagree, yes..I am actually trying to work out who is right.. but a vote on Con right now is far from productive. It is in my opinion letting scum get away.

Now, with the Diddin thing back in the air.. I am interested as to his concession a few pages earlier.

[jasonT1981]

SA has two posts since Day 2. Just lynch me already, I've given up convincing DH and everyone mindlessly sheeping him.

Scum admission? conceding defeat

[jasonT1981]

that was in the height of Diddin confirmed scum discussion

[jasonT1981]

vote:Jason

I fucked up.. well done.

[jasonT1981]

I actually was concerned you were the real doc, Con.. you dropped hints on day 2 of being Dr Nick. I was expecting you to counter towards the end. Its why I didn't kill you because I thought killing myself would out me.

well played

[jasonT1981]

You are

Louie

(Mafia Jailkeeper)



You serve in the mafia under Fat Tony. You say that tear gas is your only weakness.

Abilities: Your partners are Benmage (Fat Tony) and Fuzzy Beavers (Johnny Tightlips). Each night, you may talk in the following QT http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/q9JBAcJTS7W. You or your partners may PM me the name of a player you want killed. The person who sends the PM will be able to take other actions that night.

Each night you may PM me the name of a player. If successful, you will threaten that player into not leaving the house that night, preventing them from using any night actions or having night actions performed on them.

Your kill flavor is "squeaked". Your safe fakeclaim is Dr. Julius Hibbert.

You win when all non-Mafia players are dead and at least one Mafia player is alive, or when nothing can prevent the same.

Confirm by PM. The game thread is here http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... =3&t=15987