Convict's Revenge!! Game Over (Convict Wins!)

[Leiskyrie]

/confirm

I'm still going through the thread...

[Leiskyrie]

I will be V/LA for the next two days.

But before that,

Unvote:PoisonIvy

[Leiskyrie]

my brain is still really out of it but i just want to answer kat's question
I unvoted because that was my predecesor's vote and I wanted to first formulate my own scum reads before voting.

[Leiskyrie]

my brain is still really out of it but i just want to answer kat's question
I unvoted because that was my predecesor's vote and I wanted to first formulate my own scum reads before voting.

And how does that in any way answer my question?

You asked me why I unvoted. I explained why.

Unless you're asking me why i need to V/LA which YOU KNOW THE ANSWER TO.

[Leiskyrie]

(Looks like the surgery wasn't too bad, so I don't really need V/LA anymore)

@TL: All killing roles gain 1-3 notoriety (from the rules.) It is highly unlikely that Gud could have killed all those people before reaching 6.

[Leiskyrie]

There is pretty clearly one scum faction. The flips are red/green fashion, bad/good, and the "leader is dead". This leaves no ambiguity. He lead the scum group.

Guderian, you are defending yourself using Mod-WIFOM. We do not know whether or not there is only one scum team. What you are saying is, regardless of how certain you are that there is 'no ambiguity', only speculation.

[Leiskyrie]

Yes, I will be caught up today.

And Kat, I am frustrated that you are calling me out for being V/LA when you know exactly what has been up RL these past few days and that I haven't had time to put together a case.

Anyways.

At this point, I think instead of just gunning down people, we actually need to achieve a lynch, so we can draw conclusions based on peoples actions and reactions to one another.

This was said before he made any kills. Afterwards, however:

those are the only people who have reported being in that room. I assume it is eminently possible for people to have not gone into every room they are capable of going into.

For example, you claimed you could go into a room but were restricted somehow. So there are probably more people under the same circumstance or who chose not to.

But if he was the only other person in that room, I recommend vigging him immediately.

Guderian, what changed your mind? You have gone from saying that lynching is better to vigging two people (granted, you were successful in killing one scum). However, after that, you seem to still be indirectly encouraging more vig-kills. Moreover, you are recommending killing somebody based on the theory that there's one scum per room rather than actual scumtells.

Vote: Guderian.

vezok, I'm not quite sure what exactly you are doing, but the fact that it outs people who are strong-willed is...not comforting.

[Leiskyrie]

By the way, type "Lei or Leis" instead of my full name if that's too difficult. Otherwise, I doubt the mod would understand either when tabulating votes.

As for Gud being town, for the reasons above, I have lingering doubts.

[Leiskyrie]

And Kat, I am frustrated that you are calling me out for being V/LA when you know exactly what has been up RL these past few days and that I haven't had time to put together a case.

Nice AtE. Thank you for claiming scum.

Unvote, Vote: Lei

Side note, RL is not part of this game.

I'm also not liking Katsuki's push on Guderian and leiskyrie, especially considering how she apparently knew why leiskyrie would have a reason for not posting but cast suspicion there anyways.

This is quite the opposite.
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p.s. Town lei does not play like this. Not to mention, along with dafish play, and lei play thus far, I am fairly confident about lei being scum.

Kat, stop spewing bullshit. I will not bring in RL stuff, but I have been V/LA. I have you pegged as town so I'll stop at that. If you could post an actual case on me rather than saying something like "town lei does not play like this", I will respond.

Like I said, I feel iffy about Gud, based partially on gut and what he's said about vigging. But if he can explain what he meant (or why he had a complete change in opinion), I will re-evaluate.

P.S. Kat is town. Midnight is a hell lot more scummy for making noise and not actually having any content.

[Leiskyrie]

Kat, stop spewing bullshit. I will not bring in RL stuff, but I have been V/LA. I have you pegged as town so I'll stop at that. If you could post an actual case on me rather than saying something like "town lei does not play like this", I will respond.

Where do get a town read on Kat, especially since you seem to think Kat is pushing a "bullshit" case?

I usually read/skim through a lot of games that Kat plays in and can read him quite well. The fact that he has also been misreading posts and not dedicating that much of his time to this game is, in my opinion, a town tendency.

[Leiskyrie]

I am back and will have more tonight after some re-reading and re-evaluation of my notes.

[Leiskyrie]

Town Reads

:
TL- town (based on his interactions with Almaster and TSQ/kitoari)

Faraday- Leaning Town. Unless he is lying about the rivalry with Alm, it pretty much confirms him as town (that is, if there is only one scum team).

DGB- Leaning town for the push on TSQ/kito.

Kat- already explained why. Contrary to what Kat says, those were pretty much the reasons why I think Kat is town. Not quite sure what is meant by 'those would not be lei's reasons.' I trust my gut when it comes to Kat. Can it be wrong? Perhaps. But I will go by instincts when it comes to Kat unless convinced otherwise.

Questionable:

Chess- a lot of softclaiming and hinting about his item. I'm not really seeing the purpose of it or how it contributes.
PoisonIvy- Have not yet had time to read through all her posts in detail, but damn, asking kito if she was town? I do not see how that could have possibly contributed to anything, unless she expected kito to claim scum. Plus, ISO 30 (she says it's a rhetorical question, but there was no reason to have made that post unless she was looking for some sort of response.) More to come on her when I look at her and Flame's giant post war. Prob Scum based on what I've read so far.

Flame- like I said have not looked at the huge posts. So far, nothing about him has screamed town to me and after those long posts on PoisonIvy, why no vote?

Midnight- makes noise. And if I may ask- what was the significance of the question you asked Flame/mike (about the ER?) Prob Scum.

Some people are not in the lists yet because I need to sleep, but I will post about them and go into more depth tomorrow.
VOTE: MS

@Gud: For meta, I've only got one newbie game (1016) if you want to look at that...

[Leiskyrie]

Well, guess it doesn't matter much anyways since I'll be lynched regardless.
I am

The Guard

, can monitor and see every room and one of my abilities is Final Breath, so when I die I can choose somebody and cause them to reach 6 notoriety, thus revealing their role and preventing them from killing anymore.

Whoever you guys want me to use my ability on, just say. Otherwise, I'll just choose who I think is scummiest in my opinion.

[Leiskyrie]

It's not a huge town loss, with 2 scum down already.

[Leiskyrie]

Yes, that's fine.

And if you guys want to know, this is why I was suspicious of Guderian and his theory of there being only one scum team with one scum accessing each room. There are only four other rooms apart from the lobby (and no, I can't access them. Or at least, I tried and was not allowed in. I can only view all the QTs.)

[Leiskyrie]

We'll see when your role is revealed, MS~

[Leiskyrie]

Leis you can see my qt? Anything notable happen in it? (This'd help confirm your abillity at least)

You are the last person (and only person apart from the mod) to have posted in your QT.

[Leiskyrie]

I still think Kat is a bad lynch. MS is much more scummy than Kat.

@Faraday: I cannot quote or discuss what you said in there (mod rules) but you started in there, Almaster entered and then you re-entered + posted. Nobody else has gone in.

[Leiskyrie]

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Unvote; Vote: vezok

[Leiskyrie]

Ah...I understand it now. Thank you PoisonIvy.

The ability to monitor the rooms had a cost (that was not specified) and dafish chose to use it anyways. He left his position to monitor all the rooms, but “wandering around in the chaos may have certain repercussions”. It seems that while going around the ship, I managed to lose something. I now can access all the rooms instead of just viewing the QTs since I have realized that my identification has gone missing, and am able to search for it.

And yes, I could see all the conversations happening in the QTs yesterday.

About MS- I don’t understand how you thought Seraphim was scum since he pretty much hasn’t been here the entire game AND was being replaced. However, given that nobody has counterclaimed the AGM kill, I think he may be town. (Mr. Flay was an interesting choice to investigate though, of all people.)

[Leiskyrie]

Sorry, I think I forgot to say that I would be exploring other rooms.

DGB, I think you're town and awesome and would love to sheep you, but there has been something else that's been bothering me. PoisonIvy, I hope you don't mind if I ask you a question. Are you positive that checking ID gives notoriety?
Anyways, what has been bugging me is that IDs can be lost or stolen, which makes it somewhat confusing as to why there is an ID checker. Additionally, if not everybody (crew) begins with an ID, how does checking for it do anything?

Katsuki (not kitoari, MS) claimed roleblocker, and I highly doubt she would lie about that. Being the Lady, I'm guessing her ability was Seduce (which strong-willed people are unaffected by). Thus, Kat was likely not a 100% guaranteed roleblocker. This makes the existence of two town roleblockers, both of which are not guaranteed, possible, assuming that vezok is telling the truth. That being said, I have to agree with MS about vezok jumping all over the place with regards to his hinting at his ability (or abilities).

Wait, tajo, you're saying that because I can access all the rooms, I am more scummy for 'lurking' (I wasn't in the lobby) than other people? How does that make sense?

More later.

[Leiskyrie]

@MS: What I meant was that neither roleblocker seems to be able to 100% guarantee that their roleblock will be successful because Kat, if her ability was to Seduce, wouldn't know if the target was strong-willed or not while vezok claims to be 50%. Does that clear vezok? Of course not. I'm just pointing out that just because vezok was counter-claimed doesn't automatically make him scum.

After D1, I had both Flame and tajo as more or less neutral, with Flame leaning more scummy and tajo more town. D2 and my opinions on tajo are getting more and more sour. Horrible reasons (I'm sorry I'm not living up to what you think I "should" be doing) and weak defenses. For the record, there really has not been that much going on in the rooms, as since about halfway through D1 it seems they've been quite dead. And also, I'm not the only person with access to more than one room.

tajo's WIFOM screams of scum bussing and attempting to convince everyone that "See? I be town because he's scum because no scum would bus with two scum down."

Unless you know how many scum are left,

how can you be certain of this?

Both a tajo or a bri lynch would be good today and I'll gladly vote for either. But based on his play, I'll

vote: tajo

Willing to switch to bri at anytime though. And no, I am not convinced that if one is scum, it clears the other.

[Leiskyrie]

Vote: townie, FOS: Scumpartner scumtell.

We have our scum people.

Funny tajo. I was going to say the same thing about you.

I bet xvart was killed by scum backed into a corner.

What's the plan? Wait for bri to claim, lynch him and then deal with tajo tomorrow?

[Leiskyrie]

Holy crap people, stop shooting randomly.

Vote: bristep

[Leiskyrie]

Hgroth, 0 notoriety.

[Leiskyrie]

That is my full name.

[Leiskyrie]

I will make a list tomorrow of the claimed kills and whatnot. Too late tonight to do so.

[Leiskyrie]

As a Biggorat, Hgroth is strong and massive, capable of holding his ground against the most powerful of opponents. This makes him perfect as a military guard for the ship to enforce the rules. The only problem is, there is more going on in this ship than just a hijack. My job is to keep an eye out for any suspicious activity.

Here's the list

Kills:

IS

- MS

AGM

(scum)-MS

kitoari

(scum)- Guderian/ender

Mr. Flay

- ???

ckd

-??? Presumably TheLonging or bri, given that ckd supposedly had the AI originally (according to modscene) and it was released when bri and TL died.

mikeburnfire

- Gud

Seraphim

- MS

xvart

- ???

Faraday

- ???

PoisonIvy

- ???

TheLonging

- ???

[Leiskyrie]

Really, really sorry guys for not being on. I will definitely be back later today with more to post.

Gud entered more than one room. He did not just "'look" at multiple QT.

vote: ender

[Leiskyrie]

First of all, I have entered two out of four QTs, and I can list everybody who has been in QTs if you guys would like. Since the second day, there has not been much going on in the QTs as most people have opted to stay in the lobby, so there really is not anything interesting to report today, with one exception (to be posted below). On the other hand, the fact that ender has not answered DGB's question about what has gone on in the rooms, or at least mention anything to that effect or respond with something other than "OMGUS", is indicative of a fakeclaim. At the same time, I think I misread what ender posted (I thought he said he could only view QTs, but I suppose he means he can access all of them seeing as Gud did begin in another room) so ender, please explain.

As for MS, I am inclined to say that he has been avoiding going to the QTs despite having mentioned one earlier this game. For what reason, I do not know. Though I am not entirely convinced he's town, he certainly is more town in my opinion than say tajo, who seems convinced that I am hiding all kinds of QT information from town. Some rooms haven't even been accessed since mid december. However, there is a modscene that appeared which is relevant and makes me doubt tajo's flavor now that he has nameclaimed.

@Mod, may I post the modscene here?

~You may paraphrase.~

[Leiskyrie]

Thread explosion. Give me a moment to read.

Here's the modscene that took place after I had gone into the Cargo Hold. I noticed that most of the cargo is from the brand Lonathon Industries with the majority of it being something called Magistar. The purpose of the cargo is unknown.

My father is Terrance

Lonathon

, a well known senator. I disagree a lot with his methods so Im traveling to meet him at a convention in Vaabi.

[Leiskyrie]

Unvote; vote: vezok

Lurking in this game while posting in others, jumping on ender bandwagon, had been CC'ed roleblocker by Kat, WIFOM regarding his flavor ("scum wouldn't claim such stupid flavor"), says we should lynch "some of the 6 notoriety people" without specifying anything or giving reasons, and if tajo is to be believed, killer of DGB.

I am willing to lynch either tajo or vezok.

[Leiskyrie]

Scratching out the "killer of DGB", I still have reasons to believe that vezok is scummy.

[Leiskyrie]

I am currently debating between vezok and tajo being my first choice actually, but he's at L-1 and I don't want him hammered until I see his explanation for the cargo.

My active ability is confirmable by my death. At this point, if town does not win today, it could be helpful in that I can reveal somebody and if there are discrepancies, town lynches them.

[Leiskyrie]

I have already claimed my abilities and I have 0 notoriety.

To further elaborate on my thoughts regarding the modscene, I noticed that the brand of the cargo is the same as tajo's name. However, nothing in the flavor he posted has anything to do with a company- he's meeting his father, a senator, for a convention? ender, if you are indeed telling the truth, you should be able to see the scene as well. And well, you (Gud) started in that room.

[Leiskyrie]

NLing is not really an option. It does absolutely nothing, as we end up in the same situation as today.

Unvote; vote: tajo

1) I don't think the mod just happened to make the brand of the cargo the same as your name by coincidence.
2) You claimed to have a guilty on me, and then voted ender. In fact, you only claimed the guilty on me AFTER you were at L-1, and AFTER you tried to get ender lynched. Your reasoning? You wanted to lynch somebody who had killed scum, thinking he was scummy rather than "confirmed scum." If people don't see what is wrong with this, seriously...

Guderian got force replaced for something :/

this is exactly the kind of stuff that would really help getting a better decision/better reads and for some reason both of leys and ender have forgotten to mention on their reports.

Though I am not entirely convinced he's town, he certainly is more town in my opinion than say tajo, who seems convinced that I am hiding all kinds of QT information from town.

lolwat, dude i somehow doubt the ONLY piece of relevant information in the quicktopics is something that involves my flavor, wow im surprised it involves ME.

and if you say "Since the second day, there has not been much going on in the QTs " why did you wait until NOW to bring that flavor sutff?

DN wrote in thread that Gud was force-replaced, not in the QTs. Why would you need us to report something that everyone can see?

RE: flavor stuff. If I brought up the modscene (which had no significance beforehand because nothing happened in it) before the nameclaim, it would have been completely pointless. I was hoping to catch discrepancies and/or get more information when we did have a flavorclaim. It sure would have been convenient for you if I had posted it before that.

[Leiskyrie]

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Good luck guys...

Will be revealing tajo. Lynch him.

[Leiskyrie]

I think I could've done a lot better if I was on the last bit...I already apologized to my scumteam, but if they didn't see it, I'm really sorry guys >.<

I had 0 notoriety, so I still could've killed twice and then stopped someone from voting me (vezok) so that I couldn't be lynched.

Good game though!