PYP 4: New Homes, Same Problems (Day 5)

[Guderian]

Finally started!

[Guderian]

#1 and dont you forget it.

[Guderian]

@ Jack, I got to pick from among 3 secret roles reserved for the number one pick. Unlynchable bulletproof serial killer sounded just like my cup of tea.

1) Did you fully understand how the draft system operated?
2) Why did you choose the numbers you chose?
3) Do you think it is likelier that scum chose unique X numbers, or doubled up on at least one of their choices?

1. Yes
2. Human tendency to avoid the obvious
3. Unique. Probably 5 midrange numbers followed by a 1.

(Doubling up numbers looks like a one way trip to the bottom of the draft)

Sajin, you reference the fact you 'are not scum' about ten times in your previous post. It looks like you're trying to hard to get the fact you are a town member out there. Why did you feel the need to do that?

[Guderian]

I don't see his name on the playerlist, so quite frankly I don't know why you are calling for votes on someone not in the game.

bwuh?

Vote Andrius Kitoari's replacement. This is a real vote.

I agree, more wagoning.

(by the way, what was the point of the fruit vendor? it seems to do nothing)

[Guderian]

Happy thanksgiving all! Great day with the family.

Fate, im not sure what you're trying to pull, and you can drop the aggressive act. Do you think you appear town by trying to be aggressive and getting your name out there a lot? Its annoying.

parama, that's quite a list you've got there.

hoopla, what was the point of the questions? More importantly, why was it paramount that only people who haven't played this setup answer them?

[Guderian]

bwuh?

are you always this abrasive? I cant tell if youre kidding or not.

If youre trying to get scum lynched, maybe you should vote yourself, instead of me? Just a thought.

How about a FATE case on you?

1. the second letter of your name is an a
2. the second letter of mafia is an a
3. YOUR SCUM SPAM SPAM SPAM

[Guderian]

Not much time quick post.

Why did I change numbers to 1,1? Because I believed that no one else would pick them, thus I could choose the role I wanted. Why Did I comment on it, because I had outsmarted a whole other 23 people who had believed they were on a 'higher level' by picking numbers that were NOT 1.

This is frustrating, because instead of being voted for scumminess, I am being voted for what NUMBERS I have picked, plus random fate accusations.

[Guderian]

Question, why did no one else pick 1,1?

hooplas massive analysis has a high chance of leading town down a road full of mislynches.

What if scum all picked 6?

[Guderian]

In response to people who doubt why would scum would pick similar numbers, to avoid exactly what is going on now. They are, essentially, given a free pass for several days.

I ask again, if picking higher benefits the town, why did no one else pick 1,1? You either get a powerful role for the town, and knock off any scum that would also choose 1,1. (or any other subsequent high number)

Some sense finally:

No Ben, either you're being exceptionally niave about things here, or you're trying to lead the weak doc into killing themselves, AND finding out the role of Gude, both of which only benefit scum.

Ben, the point of this game is to choose role you would LIKE, thats the point of a draft with multiple roles. What role did you pick?

Pom:

You're being voted for your numbers- correct. But they point to you being scum, with all the technicalities of the game. Why shouldn't you be voted for your numbers?

Good reasoning here. Just make sure you lynch down the numbers one at a time. Hopefully you hit some scum along the way, otherwise town will lose. But maybe you're not concerned about that?

And yes I changed my numbers. Maybe you should have too?

Also, what made the transition from slowsilver to me so easy? Looks like a not so subtle attempt to give steam to the wagon.

Gandalf and SS are both scumm though

Bwuh?

Change vote off someone you still think is scum, for some incredibly weak reasoning?

[Guderian]

To show the ridiculousness of his question.

[Guderian]

ok, I checked the other pick your power games

#3 3/5 unique numbers scum
#2 1/2 unique numbers scum
#1 2/4 unique numbers scum (keep in mind there were two mafia groups here)

So I take back my previous point, it is HIGHLY likely that in the four unique numbers we have in this game, two are scum. (The actual percentage is over 50%) But, I can make this a lot easier. I know I am town, so 2/3 of these people are more than likely to be scum:

1. volkan
2. chkflip
3. gandalf

It might even be more benficial to force all four of us to claim, and examine the picks. Some roles will definitely make more sence from a scum side v. a town side. In this way, we could potentially wipe out 40% of the scum team over day 1 and 2. (or potentially day 1/ night)

With these numbers in mind, I reread the other three people.

I have ordered them in order of scumminess:
Gandalf
chk
volk

Why?

Gandalf:

Oh, and Hoopla had such sound reasoning behind most of her post up until then. Why exactly are we voting for me?

nervous?

Oh wow. Pretty much what Pom said.

VOTE: slowsilver

sheeping.

I had a big post responding to the case against me and agreeing with the case against Guderian

there was a case against you and me? I think it was based more off number selection. Look defensive.
You then proceed to answer WHY you dont have the case instead of posting the case!

chk:

Retry:
- 3] I think it's likelier for scum to double up on a choice that they think is more sound than others.

looks like diversion tactics

- (9,5) were the first numbers that popped into my head. Completely random

were they really?

volk:

With the other two above him, he falls to the bottom. His posts look sound so far, I cant see anything that would push him too heavily one way or the other.

with all this in mind

Vote: Gandalf5166

[Guderian]

Yeah... so many things wrong here. You're not voting... anyone... yet you call for a bandwagon. On a stupid BM vote. For no reason.

I was calling for the bandwagon on myself because it seemed thats where everyones mind lay. All those people voting me, well to me, it is quite funny.

You seem quite dead set on my scumminess, which is also quite funny, and misguided. If you turned all your brain power somewhere else, actual scum will be found a lot sooner.

And whats with all the quotes of people voting. You are implying something there, but not really saying it. Make it direct, so people can see what the heck youre saying.

WIFOM time:
If I was scum, and I had four other scum in quick chat to bounce this idea off of, do you really think I would announce to the world "Hey, I changed numbers because my buddies told me to do so, hahahahah?" Really?

Parama - He is just bad town

Mind explaining?

[Guderian]

Also, it looks like #231 went unnoticed. Thoughts?

[Guderian]

@Guderian: Why did you choose 1,1. Was it because you wanted first pick? And if so, why?

The point of the draft was to pick numbers to get high to pick a role you wanted, to actually get a role instead of being a vanilla as I have been and usually are in most games.

So I wanted first pick so I could pick a role I wanted. I did, and I did.

also le, go to #231. looking at the previous games definitely gives weight to the theory.

[Guderian]

thinking about it more

@Guderian: Why did you choose 1,1. Was it because you wanted first pick? And if so, why?

What was the point in you choosing your numbers? Surely you were aiming for first pick as well?

[Guderian]

cliffs: I amalgamated bits of everyones thoughts so far
1. it is likely that 2/3 of gandalf, chk and volkan are scum.
2. we should be lynching among them today, not other people unless the do something egregious.
3. we may also need to use claims

[Guderian]

I hardly pushed for claims on everyone, only the four people with unique numbers, and if worst came to worst, sacrificing 2 town for 2 scum in a 17 town v 5 scum game is a fantastic ratio.

Of course, just nailing scum without claiming is better all round.

[Guderian]

also of note, considering we are on this numerological path:

pyp2: (1,1), (3,7), (6,4), (7,2), (12,1)

pyp3: (2,12), (4,8), (5,4), (12,3), (13,7)

note the number of times the scum pick and x number not followed by a 1. it happens 8/10 times for the last two games. 80%. It would seem that not picking a one in the y value is an attempt to take suspicion away from the scum.

preview: hoopla, 0%.

[Guderian]

Does having a brain count, or is that privilege only reserved for a select few?

Its not like town and scum couldn't come to that same conclusion.

This game has 10/22 people picking one as y, just a shade under 50%, which is where the analysis of one came from.

[Guderian]

alert, i voted gandalf.

[Guderian]

Fate, its not to hard to look at the y numbers.

I have written papers about game theory. Use I understand it. You can shut up now.

@Guderian: What was the point of saying "that's quite a list"?

It is quite a list, composed entirely out of the blue with nothing to back it up.

I think a wagon on xvart is a terribly dumb idea, when there are people we should consider lynching way above him.

Either gandalf or ben need to die today.

And what happened to ben; he makes a few points and disappears like smoke.

[Guderian]

I didn't pick gunsmith.

(I assume this would be obvious? Being first, I had the option of a much more powerful gunsmith in cop)

Also, whats was the point/meaning/necessity to unvote/vote while you think?

[Guderian]

I would think of the two gunsmith pickers, one has to be scum drafting it to protect themselves and buddies from the gunsmiths investigations, and acting under the assumption that cop was already gone.

It will be interesting which of volk/chk picked gunsmith.

preview: what do you mean by, 'If I am town that is?' You really think I would pick gunsmith with number one pick? Does that make sense from either side?

[Guderian]

Are you saying you couldn't come up with that on your own if you weren't in PYP1-3 jack?

Jack +10

volkan +4!

xvart:
I'm not suggesting it, i'm saying its a possible course of action. And it would appear only 3 (out of 4) people have 'powerful roles', and one is a gunsmith.

Also to that 'wagoning', I was responding to DrippingGoofball, as you can see about my comment about the fruit vendor. Maybe its not at first obvious, but its what I was saying. The two quotes were jutxaposed to show Fate the error of his ways.

Now, knowing this, Do you think I am blatantly lying about what I was saying, or are you deliberately trying to paint me in a way that you hope others will find scummy to force a mislynch?

[Guderian]

Do you consider the points valid or not?

I'm sure no one cares you think that it is insincere. Explain how it is insincere, and why that translates into concrete arguments for being scum.

Your five posts are also hardly setting the world on fire.

preview: volk, thats four factorial. so actually 24. don't worry, you're way ahead. The points system is pretty fun I must say.

[Guderian]

Yes, I changed my mind since looking at the data. You must have a low estimation of many people on this board to not figure that out fate.

If anything, what you pointed out helps me fate. I changed my mind after looking at the data of previous games, not just going off what I thought would be optimal. Is changing your mind scummy?

What are my baseless ideas fate? I think I explained my case on gandalf before.

Lalalafluff, what is the point of that post?

[Guderian]

1. yes. you didn't?
2. I wasn't isoing the scums y numbers at the point, no.
3. it was more like 2-3 days. It was only when jack compiled all the data in his little spoiler that I could look at it an notice the scum numbers. It isn't obvious at first, which is why i didn't notice it.

also, fate did you miss the part where benmage specifically asked me to claim. Do you consider that scummy?

I dont see a scum motivated drive right now behind hoopla trying to confirm whether there actually is a gunsmith in the top 3. Theres already a 33% base chance of anyone of us being it, actually 50% now.

Wouldn't it be just as easy for gandalf to claim a random role that he wasn't actually vt too. Lets say hes actually VT to cop? He, as scum would already know that there was a cop in the top three, so he wouldn't worry about that. He would say vt to gunsmith to try and out the gunsmith, knowing full well they have a 33% chance of hitting cop in the night. So it can be played both ways.

[Guderian]

Is it possible for you to call me by my actually name Llama? Its not that hard.

fate, at times you seem really protown, but at times (aka when launched into a caps rage) its hard to say. I'd say more townish though.

inhim,

First:

2/3 chance of gandalf, vollkan, chkflip being scum


Then:

gandalf or ben need to die today

If you look at the odds, thats what the percentages tell us. over 50% of the unique numbers are scum. And ben has said some really strange things and then evaporated. This screams scum to me. Thats why I said those two statements.

I am also liking the number of phantom threats I am getting. It seems no matter what happens today people are going to try and say I am scum. I have no doubt that I am trying to be slated for the mislynch tomorrow If i make it there.

Ok more numbers. Some new thoughts on the numbers. I would like your thoughts on my thoughts.

Spoiler: Draft Numbers

Guderian 1,1
Volkan 2,6
chkflip 9,5
Zodiark13 Gandalf5166 12,1
Benmage 3,4
slowsilver 3,5
Ellibereth 5,1
Rabies 5,7
Hoopla 10,1
Le Cupcake 10,6
Jack 11,1
xvart 11,7
Fate 13,1
PranaDevil 13,10
llamafluff 8,1
Parama 8,5
inHimshallibe 8,7
Drippinggoofball 6,10
iamausername 6,11
Andrius 6,1 <--- Random WINNER
Sajin 6,1 <--- Random Loser
Pomegranate 6,1 <--- Random Double Loser!

First off, there is no x = 4,7,14,15
I know I am not scum (YES YOU ARE BLAH BLAH BLAH ok whatever), so I know scum do not exist in the 1 neighborhood.
so 1,4,7,14,15 are out. Now this list is unique, we have 10/22 46% numbers with x followed by a 1. In previous games, scum have only followed their x followed by a 1 20% of the time.

so If we assume a random spread, with no doubling up, (which almost everyone agrees is undeniably dumb (my all picking six kidding aside)) scum have the following numbers to pick from

2,3,5,6,8,9,10,11,12,13

Now bear with me. Something about gandalfs 'three adhd's or whatever' seemed to ring through. *cue calls of buddying.* Something about his posts seemed sincere. So for now I am going to eliminate 12 from this list.

Now, in previous games, scum have ALWAYS gone for 1,2. I see no reason this game would be different. Ergo, volkan is one of the scum. It also bodes well for this case that his y numbers is not a one.

so now we have 3,5,6,8,9,10,11,13

In my mind, benmage has been acting scummy. The numbers fit So, ben is in as well. thats two scum. Now, scum want to space out a bit, to ensure optimal placement.

So we go to the top end. Who has been acting scummy up there? If I would guess, the scum would pick higher numbers on this spectrum, as they know most townies would try and pick low but not too low. In the top we have a few gems, chk at 9 solo, with no y=1, and one of these six:
Hoopla 10,1
Le Cupcake 10,6
Jack 11,1
xvart 11,7
Fate 13,1
PranaDevil 13,10

Not too sure about this one. Will need more time, but my best guess would be from the 10 'neighborhood'.

so we have two low numbers (2,3 volkan and ben) two high (chk and someone in 10) and probably one in the middle, at five or six. rabies and iam spring to mind. this list has even spacing, no repeats, and 80% of y values not being one.

with this, here is my scum team
volkan
benmage
chk
hoopla/le cupcake
rabies/iam

I will happily join a bandwagon on any of these people. I will not join a bandwagon, or support in the slightest, one on anyone else. And the fact chk has done nothing but come in and randomly vote me is pretty scumtastic from my point of view.

unvote

vote: chkflip

[Guderian]

at least go with G or Gud please, It may not be much to you but It does mean something to me.

[Guderian]

I have identified 3 people I reasonably sure am scum. I placed my vote on one of them. Why is this scummy? I dont have five votes.

By the way, you ad hom argument that i'm a newbie, i.e. too dumb to figure anything out, is noted. Not sure why you put that in there other to debase my argument not on its merits but on 'me'.

It's funny that he is not completely sure who is scum in the top numbers, has a guess,

I told you who they were. Which part of my post is not completely sure.

then decides he will not support any other bandwagon than the ones he chose.

Why would I support a bandwagon on someone i dont think is scum?

I think I will the slash now and put you in there with the scum. Those two posts are horrific, really strange, wishy washy and passive aggressive. thanks for making it obvious though.

[Guderian]

@ jack :Calls of "buddying"? Buddying is scum-to-town.

what word would you of liked me to use there?

[Guderian]

Wait just a second. You responding to DGB in which called for a wagon on yourself by referencing Benmage's vote on Andy? Please explain this timeline and thought process in greater detail, because it makes no sense to me..

there are two parts to that post. THE FIRST is the two quotes juxtaposed. THE SECOND is in response to DGB bwing me, and I believe I said this could be seen by the fact I was also asking her what in gods name the fruit vendor was. It was a sarcastic comment because at that time everyone and their grandmother was hoping on my wagon.

[Guderian]

prana If I am so scummy why are you on somebody else's wagon? What changed your tune? Half way through this game you went from gudetown to gudemegascum.

chk what do you think of volkan?

[Guderian]

I had this nice long post typed, but my computer crashed and now I'm sure no one would want to read it anyways based of past reception. (plus reading all this http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/ is sapping my time.)

Basically, voll, if you really are town (which atm I dont believe), then you should definitely consider someone in the 3's scum, because if not, then the lowest number scum picked would be 5. Does that make sense to you?

I'm not sure why you're voting xvart either, when there are several (if not all) other wagons that are better.

I also think ben is scum, but note how easy chk got off his 'obvious scum' read of me. Personally, I would like more votes on both.

[Guderian]

Guderian, 3 wrote:

FIRST PART.

Notice the two arrows referring to the quotes.

fate wrote:I don't see his

[BENMAGE]

name on the playerlist, so quite frankly I don't know why you are calling for votes on someone not in the game.





bwuh?

benmage

wrote:Vote Andrius Kitoari's replacement. This is a real vote.

SECOND PART

Two things.

One, I agree with Fate, Guderian is scum.

VOTE: Guderian

Two, I really, really, really like fruit. I recall, withholding tears, that receiving a midnight gooseberry was a sentimental and strategic highlight in the last game.

This following bit is in response to that quote above because my bandwagon was careening out of control.

I agree, more wagoning. [ON ME]

(by the way, what was the point of the fruit vendor? it seems to do nothing)

Are you happy? I dont even see what the scum motivation in that post was at all. Now I have explained it to you xvart. If you cant understand it now, I dont know what will.

I see chk getting passive, then aggressive, then passive for no reason, check scumpoints.

I see prana trying to get my wagon going again.

Interesting :

I've explained why I'm on Hoopla's wagon, she's more dangerous than you to town even if she doesn't have a role.

Very next post:

So Hoopla is town,

Not sure which is more important to lynch... most likely Guderian as he's top of the list and thus will have the best role for the scum.

vote: Guderian

What are you trying to pull here?

[Guderian]

volk: Which wagon do you like the most? Why is that wagonee scummy?

Ben or chk.

Since Ben posted his big post earlier, he has lurked. Actually, he has posted a few things with one line answers. In response to anything made against him, he has been quiet. It would look like he is hoping it will all wash over and he can move on to day 2 pretty easy. I would outline the points again, but Llama already did a good job of that.

vote: Benmage

I'm not sure why its so hard to get votes on either of these two. These last couple of days have dissolved into lots of semi-posts and appearances. Im not sure what to make of it all.

[Guderian]

It wasn't that there was scum motivation to your comment

VOTE: Guderian

so its not scummy but it is? Please try not to make your 'case' sound so forced. 'multiple leaps of logic' etc etc

[Guderian]

Because I thought the point was moot. I explained it to you, you didnt understand it and asked for a response, I further clarified, and now you are saying my response is dodgy because you couldn't understand it. Also, all your points would make sense on page 3 (no voting, no clarification, whatever else your points are) but I have since explained them

Do you have any other reason for considering besides that one posts you waited 20 pages on to consider me scum?

[Guderian]

These three people are xVart (the predominant one?), Jack (active (or not so active) lurker?) and Pomegranate who just sheeps (not an awful thing in itself, but sheeping wagons is unnecessary)...

So I conclude that these three are scum together.

I have become less convinced that xvart is scum - but I still don't know where that puts me.

So Hoopla looks fairly scummy

Benmage..... Scum

inHimshallibe..... Scum

Players not voting: slowsilver

??

The problem is I highly doubt its BEN and SLOW. But the three slot looks very scummy.

FOS: SLOWSILVER

[Guderian]

I'm really not sure how the speculation on the number 1 pick (in this case mine) role is really moving this game along. It seems incredibly arbitrary. Why not talk about 2,3,4,5 etc etc?

We have multiple scummy players in this game, and I'm not sure why more people aren't in here voting them.

also, what do people make of slowsilvers multiple FOS but no vote?

[Guderian]

Andrius Post #6 » Mon Nov 29, 2010 2:14 pm
Ok, sorry for the inactivity.
I'll catchup tonight.

Prod or replace? This seems a little much.

With the deadline approaching (tuesday) I think we need to seriously begin talking about a benmage (or hoopla or etc...) lynch here. With time running out it will give people an opportunity to slip under the radar and put a few votes on people under the pretense that "deadline was approaching hehehe!"

It would be better to have thoughts formulated and solidified by today or at the latest tomorrow.

[Guderian]

wait.... did you ever talk about wanting a Guderian lynch?

[Guderian]

I feel like that was the deadline lynch a day early. Looks like people just jumped onto an easy wagon, and I dont like the way the votes leading up to the hammer went.

Also, because this is instant night, is it basically a brief closure of the thread by the mod for a few minutes and then a reopen? How does this sort of night work on this site?

[Guderian]

Darn Gandalf, that triple a.d.d. business had me convinced

I cant believe chk picked supersaint with the number 3 pick. Not sure what he was trying to do there. Not sure why he was night killed because he was looking pretty sketchy at end of day. Not being groundbreaking here, but I figured he was vigged, and scum got hosed on their night kill.

Short points.

1. Didn't like the end od day play by slowsilver.

2. Didn't like volkans play. The fact that he parked his vote on xvart all day is really strange in my mind, especially when considering xvart didn't really throw off big scum vibes, and he had the opportunity to contribute or lend weight to any existing wagon. He had well written long winded posts that didn't accomplish much.

3. hoopla has been giving conflicting reads, some like this seem to be trying to pigeon hole the town

So, that's one scum down from the top four. Who's the other? Vollkan or Guderian?

while others seek to try and confirm town

His self-implosion the last few pages has been bizarre, and ordinarilly I would find it scummy, but this behaviour can be exhibited by inexperienced/immature town and scum, no matter how much like scum it looks like. If anything, it more illustrates how detached and unfamiliar he is with MS culture, which makes his posts in the queue thread seem even more town.

though I do agree this should be examined:

Investigating the momentum (especially the collapse and swing to Ben's wagon) of Gandalf's wagon should be our key focus today.

4. I would theorize that at this point, after ben emerged as the clear counter wagon to gandalf at days end, the fact scum have day talk, and the fact gandalf flipped town that ben is town. Much as I hate to admit that.

well that leaves me with slowsilver and volkan as the top two for me. I guess I will reread up on the end of the day, but for now

Vote: Volkan

Will re-read the end of the days play. Also the time around when gandalf claimed and then goofed, around halfway through.

[Guderian]

also, not sure what inhim was doing here:

Benmage wrote:Anywhose TL/DR...I'm a VT..if someone worthwild not voting me wants to know what I went for, I'll claim it.


Um, duh? Or is this not correct PYP theory?

No, I dont think this would be correct at all.

Also, his iso 15-end is pretty sketchy. It doesn't read as pro-town as all.

preview: fate: take a few deep breaths.

[Guderian]

are you drunk right now?

also: #719

[Guderian]

Since your role is now know to all, would it now be prudent to claim your result as well?

All right, gandalf was your highest, who is your second highest/ scum suspicion/ etc.. etc...

[Guderian]

unvote

vote: inhim

[Guderian]

I too entertained the thought of a massive scum gambit, but it seems a little risky to put into motion day 1 which could net 2-3 scum and not much profit. The only reason I would entertain this idea is that I do find vollkan lack of sending in a night action and minor actions d1 slightly scummy. I guess for now it wait and see on the town side of the fence.

I did ask vollkan the same question as hoopla pointed out today and he had a rather strange reply:

Guderian wrote:Basically, voll, if you really are town (which atm I dont believe), then you should definitely consider someone in the 3's scum, because if not, then the lowest number scum picked would be 5. Does that make sense to you?

This may be a "me not liking big picture play" thing, but I don't see why I should assume one of them to be scum. There are good reasons for town to pick 3, and there are obvious reasons (both strategic and WIFOM) why aiming for middling numbers might be a feasible scum play. I really don't think it helps to apply, based on a precedent of three games with different people, rules as to where scum most likely are that ride roughshod over individual behaviour.

To repeat: on radar still.

Inhim wagon looks to be abandoned because he is weak doc. Not trying to start it again, but isn't it possible scum could pick weak doc? Nothing says it has to be town, although it doesn't look like the smartest scum pick. Worth considering.

For now, however, I would like to resume on slowsilver. I already outilned a few posts back why slowsilver looks scummy.

But to repeat,

1. strange votings. (end of day 1)

slowsilver wrote:These three people are xVart (the predominant one?), Jack (active (or not so active) lurker?) and Pomegranate who just sheeps (not an awful thing in itself, but sheeping wagons is unnecessary)...

So I conclude that these three are scum together.

I have become less convinced that xvart is scum - but I still don't know where that puts me.

So Hoopla looks fairly scummy

Benmage..... Scum

inHimshallibe..... Scum

SpyreX wrote:Players not voting: slowsilver

2. The 3 slot. with the benmage counterwagon at end of day gaining steam, it is highly possible he is town. The fact that he is VT also helps ben town case, because it is highly unlikely the top two scum picks would of hit roles already picked by others. So that leaves slowsilver as the low number person I guess you could say of the scum team.

3. real wishy washy posting. look at his iso. 1-10 is meaningless.

At this point, if slowsilver flips scum, I am almost positive these people would be town. Based on the way he has gone after them for very little reasons. I encourage a slowsilver wagon now.
a. inhim
b. xvart
c. benmage
d. hoopla (already but extra)
e. andrius

unvote

vote: slowsilver

[Guderian]

fate, just because you type in all caps doesn't make your points any more valid.

Fear mongering? Hardly, I present logical situation that most people may or may not of thought of in an interest to provide discussion. Inhim is all the way at the bottom of the draft, weak doc could be a possible pic. Note that I said to keep it in mind, not that I think he is scum.

Scum picked all six? Have you heard of sarcasm?

If you can provide me with a few concrete reasons why claiming would be beneficial to town, I will consider it. I dont really see any way my claim could help thing if not to let the scum know exactly what I am.

Also, completely ignoring the case. Random raging this entire game. Not really any cases. I've read a few of your other games. You're usually on point. Not sure what you're doing here. Change of opinions on you. Its high time I :

FOS: FATE

also, hoopla, If i am not scum as you say, why would I constantly be suspected? If you believe I am town, wouldn't it be your duty to try and argue away from my lynch. I know I would do the same to the little town list I provided. To do anything less would be to allow yourself to become a bystander.

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le, fate

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Why do you need fate to think for you? Make your own case. Instead of simply

GUT!

post something.

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I'm not asking anyone to defend me. What Im saying is if person A thinks other person B is town then person A should take it upon themselves to try and stop a mislynch or what they view as unjust. I can't believe you would disagree with this.

(in this case it pertains to me)

For example, I now think benmage is town. I will argue against lynching benmage.

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To what do you refer LL?

pom, I highly doubt after picking weak doc that you can say with certainty that inhim is scum, or even put him close to the top of your list.

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Did inhim claim who he was visiting?

vote: Le cupcake

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agreed ^^^

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The only reason I would assume vollkan can't be scum is that he picked Gunsmith, which gandalf also picked. So if they were scum together, they just shot themselves in the foot for no reason to give their second scum pick and fourth overall as vanilla.

I mean its possible, but unlikely. The only thing that still tugs me in that way is his lack of action n1. volk, n2 action?

did anyone reread and notice anyone gandalf and slow were both calling scum? could clear some town.

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For now, we obliterate the cupcake. Tomorrow, we go after the prosecutor.

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Le Cupcake-town

Benmage-scum

Le Cupcake.... Town

Benmage..... Scum
slowsilver - well... if I were allowed... TOWN
inHimshallibe..... Scum

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So you think benmage is scum?

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Damage control instantaneous response....check
Dodges questions....................................check
irrelevant deflection questions of own........check

(earlier inquiry?)

@ben: agreed.

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Can we get some more votes going here. I agree with llama, if you are the town roleblocker and didn't block vollkan, speak up now.

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I was thinking about this game in the shower this morning

Fate is Role-cop and Elli is Neighborizer

when be this happening?

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1. Cupcake looks to still remain scum.

2. xvart is more interesting. If he's scum, hes been bussing/is bussing three of his scum mates.

3. Looks like the scum went for some blocking scenario. jail keeper, rb maybe Vanillaizer.

4. because gandalf went for gunsmith, I doubt prana would be scum. If scum, gandalf would of gone for it, because there were so many less people in the way. And at pran's position as scum, they would want to be sure he got a role.

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With so many role in the open/ people already claiming, I would have to agree. In this format, it looks like bottom up could work best.

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What is the benefit of waiting until tomorrow over today?

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xvart did juxtapose the two quotes that were one of the primary things that resulted in gandalf's lynch.

anyway, xvart, are you the roleblocker.

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Drippinggoofball, why aren't you voting le cupcake?

Are modkills only on a lynch? If so, why?

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Did you ever say who you intended to target n2?

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Jack I dont understand how, you think prana is the best lynch when about every conceivable sign I could think of points to prana being town, or at very least not the BEST LYNCH today.

Whats your reasoning behind not liking the cupcake wagon?

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I couldn't care less what cupcake claimed. She is scum. We lynch scum.

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EBWOP: that*

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Can't believe Im taking jack's side here, but

Fate, roleblocker wasn't taken at all in the last game and I haven't seen anything scummy from xvart so if you have some info as to why you think the roleblocker is not in the lower regions say so.

There isn't a concrete reason to suspect that the RB might be in jack/xvart group. Cop fell all the way to prana. Who knows about the RB?

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My action failed n1.

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Well, Cupcake pretty much HAS to be scum. A Jack claim might be good at this point.

Sounds good.

VOTE: Jack

FOS: DGB

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Well in my mind, le cupcake is an auto scum lynch, and jack and xvart are 50-50 (I guess?). I could switch over if we need to, but for now I'm pretty confident on le cupcake.

Thoughts are DGB rounds out the scum team.

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If andrius needs a prod, can we prod him.

vollkan, why aren't you voting.

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Who, in your opinion, is scum then?

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unvote

vote : jack

Game stalled?

If anyone want to get back on the cupcake wagon, please tell me.

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We have a very nice DGB to thank for that. Thanks DGB!

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All right, actions in, lynch jack, tomorrow lynch cupcake, hopefully guilty by then.

I assume my action being sent to spyreX is alright, and I dont have to send it to VI.

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Lets get this game moving guys. This is slow, even by mafiascum.net standards.

Jack has little defense, seemingly vanished, and all signs point to a good lynch.

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Get them in!

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Listen, I don't think scum can win this game at all. It has gone flat because most have zoned out, knowing their impeding death.

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I dont really understand what you're saying, but if it involves lynching scum and happiness, I approve!

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That was such a needlessly long day.

While I speculate why they would kill the gunsmith over the cop, I inquire into the cop's result.

Mass claiming time methinks.

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Guderian 1,1

Benmage 3,4 TOWN
Ellibereth 5,1 TOWN
Hoopla 10,1 TOWN
Le Cupcake 10,6 TOWN

xvart 11,7
Fate 13,1

PranaDevil 13,10 TOWN
llamafluff 8,1 TOWN

Drippinggoofball 6,10
iamausername 6,11
Andrius 6,1
Pomegranate 6,1

Someone reread Jack. With him being mafia, we know he was trying to spin the numbers. Unless Fate is mafia, it looks definite that scum double picked a number. Claim starting bottom up is the way to go.

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eh, I did it. His last numerological post:

ellibereth 5,1
le cupcake 10,6
fate 13,1
prana 13,10

Should be 2 scum in here and 1 in the sixes. The sixes are a horrible wasteland though.

Two scum in the sixes it is then.

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Correct. If anyone has any incriminating reports, out them now. Then we begin.

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Does anyone need prods?

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Me either .

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Why aren't people claiming?

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Hello all,

My name is Conrad. For the last week and a half, I have been on vacation. During that time, my little brother saw fit to start using this account to play some game.

If at any time, you felt offended by may play in this game, I would like to apologize to you. Losing is one thing, being courteous is another. I haven't had time to reread this whole game, but I suspect this may be the case. If there was anything so egregious and offending to you, I will happily replace out to lessen any affect that may of had.

Thank you,

Conrad

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If anything happened that offended you LlamaFluff, you have my sincere apologies.

Anyways. I have reread the last 10 pages or so, and checked my inbox for the results of my power.

Night 1: Action Fail
Night 2: PranaDevil visits LlamaFluff
Night 3: Nobody Visits PranaDevil

1 shot left.

I have read Andrius contributions, as that seems to be who the people are talking about today. Or maybe lack thereof. He doesn't come across as Town much as all. If you would like a longer case, I would be happy to provide one.

Vote Andrius

Also, because scum have day talk, it is a litter easier for scum to try and bus each other when word comes down from the doomed scum body. Thats what seemed to happy yesterday with pomegranate and jack.

FOS: pomegranate

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No. Mod was asked about this too. Because the action failed night one, I got to keep it and use it again.

Also, quote from sign ups.

What happens if a limited shot role:
-Are themselves roleblocked/jailkeeped?
a.) Shot is NOT used up.

Thank you.

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Anywhose I'm VT to watcher. Making Gude the watcher.

I'm not sure exactly why pranadevil and llamafluff were watched.

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I haven't been playing on my account for the last two weeks. You can check some other threads to confirm that.

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I'll send in watch report now then.

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Andrius, by insinuating cupcake is scum, you imply pranadevil is scum, which would be the whole scum team, which would mean we would no longer have to examine the sixes anymore. Thoughts?

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Fate who was the person you said you tracked on n2.

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(xvart, No, I left on vacation in a rather hurry and told my brother to post V/LA across my games. He didn't. He played in those games. )

Anyways, is that everybodies claim in?

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who did fate track down in the sixes though? pom?

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Did you just replace in?

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~first week of December.

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around the third to the fifth. (why may I ask?)

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I don't think by any stretch of the imagination i'm confirmed town, but I could give you a bunch of reasons that make sense why i'm more town then anyone not confirmed by the cop.

anyway, I guess we're waiting for spyrex now.

(btw hoopla, are you an aussie too? If so, yay!)

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Misdirection! arghhhhhhhhhhh

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Because the people BELOW Prana are confirmed town/SOMEONE I TRACKED N1.

There I fuckin said it.

I tracked someone N1 below Prana, it WASNT Ellie. I just used Ellie's neighborization claim that he gave me in his QT so I could fake a result and keep my real one hidden.

Need to be explained ASAP then, knowing everyone below prana has claimed vanilla.

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Vote: Nacho

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no scum night kill? oh well they were doomed anyways.

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No that was the hammer. Rejoice!

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I'd like to see the scum QT. Wonder what was going on in there.

interesting scum numbers.

3,5
5,1
6,10
11,1
12,1

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I wonder why they picked so many y=1 numbers.

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No. 11 people = 6 to hammer. did you miss benmages post?

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Its ok I like cupcakes anyway!

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Next game, we need to split fruit vendor into two. One odd night fruit vendor, one even night cake vendor! YAY

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And no odd night too. I guess people expect me or vollkan or someone else to take it. And what was up with the two gunsmiths in the top four! And supersaint too!!

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Cop is such a usual ordinary role. I guess people wanted to choose otherthings. I know i did, thats why I choose watcher.

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I guess scum assumed someone would pick the cop first, seeing as how powerful it was.

Yeah, 1,1 was the way to go. My original numbers were 2,6 if anyone was interested in knowing. I just suspected that everyone would be fearful of one. Plus, in PYP3, no one picked x=1.

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I lied. It was 2,7.

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Maybe a potential mislynch?

They blocked me night 1, maybe assuming I was vig/cop, and went after vollkan/chk, which they knew contained the gunsmith. Then the weak doc n2, and then the real gunsmith because cop was out.

I guess the WIFOM factor also considering they thought the watcher was who knows who also prevented them from trying it.

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Where be spyrex? I want to see all that nice scum/neighbor quick topics.

I don't think you messing around with tracker/tracker claims really threw the scum off their game. It was more the fact about inside knowledge of roleblocker.

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Woo!

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I'm not sure why this game blew apart after D1, but it did.

Good on Llama.

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spyrex, Did you have thoughts on the game, watching from your modseat?

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Having five days and five scum dead is pretty sweep-tastic.

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Well, hopefully scum open up their QT because I would be highly interested in reading it.

I was tempted to go for odd night vig just so I couldn't shoot people I didn't like. MUAHAHAHAHAA

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It seems that every game town wins in PYP, they are nominated for a scummy. 1,3 already nominated. Must be something about the setup...

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QT?

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If gandalf hadn't played abysmally d1, i think you guys had more of a chance.

And scum getting 2 VT really hurt them. Not too much power to counter the massive conglomerate that was the town.

Not sure what right scum number picking strategy would be. Cross the bridge when you come to it I guess.

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What was all this business with hoopla busing?

(DGB!!!)

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No worries xvart. Didnt know what you were aiming at, but you seem like a really nice guy.

Make a PYP5 soon spyrex! This was fun, but another could be even more fun!