Convict's Revenge!! Game Over (Convict Wins!)

[Mr. Flay]

Sens has been busted for cheating in the past. I think TSQ is saying he won't play with Sens under any name.

Also, /confirm presence, if not complete understanding.

[Mr. Flay]

So DGB, what's your methodical madness for this game?

chesskid, why should we keep you alive?

vezok, same question.

[Mr. Flay]

Please replace out before Thursday, then. You are not playing to your win condition.

[Mr. Flay]

You can't see who is browsing a thread, only a forum. IIRC. Since it's one of our biggest, it's probably a nulltell.

chesskid, at least you're thinking, now. I still you'll need to prove you're an asses to the game, though.

[Mr. Flay]

chesskid, at least you're thinking, now. I still you'll need to prove you're an asses to the game, though.

That (probably) ought to say asset.

For everyone else: fast kills or draw the lynch out for information? I wasn't quite expecting this level of unique game mechanics, and want us on the same page as much as possible. See: WiH 1, Succession, etc.

Stop. Ninjaing. Me. Dafish: Several people threatened to daykill chesskid in the signup thread.

[Mr. Flay]

I won't daykill vezok if he doesn't fuck around. But if he starts making off the wall claims or distracting the game, then he's acting antitown and becomes a fair target.

I just don't want "lol VI" to become an excuse for scum/triggerhappy vigilantes to decimate the town.

Game links: War in Heaven I, Succession Mafia - warning they're long!

Faraday, I have to wonder what makes you think running the clock is a good idea?

[Mr. Flay]

So flay, why does this strike you as the most important thing to talk about right now? Don't you think by bringing up the subject of day kills right away you might make one more likely?

That's not been my experience at all. EBHOBANOHAR, Angel Nightless, Mutually Assured Destruction, Texas Justice... people WANT to be vigs. They think they can do well at it. And if everyone* gets vig power, they want to use it before they get vigged themselves.

I'm concerned that people might feel "well, this person is useless anyway, might as well off them early" and boom, we're down as many as two or three roles before we really discuss it. I think I prefer directing daykills as a way to get extra lynches (though I need to reread the rules on that part). Speaking of which...

Forgot that movement is publicly declared

Is it? I don't see that in the rules, but I might be missing something. DeathNote said that the player had to tell

him

when they wanted to move..

[Mr. Flay]

Somebody kill PosionIvy please, thanks.

Why won't you??

I mean, I'm against random and constant daykills, but this is a really scummy thing to ask for.

[Mr. Flay]

~DGB is now daykill Immune~

Mod:

Is this accurate or a joke?

No vote yet. I want to learn a few things first... like are we still en route to our destination?

~Joke sorry for lack of sarcasm quotes~

[Mr. Flay]

Sorry, thought I'd replied to this.

Somebody kill PosionIvy please, thanks.

Why won't you??

I mean, I'm against random and constant daykills, but this is a really scummy thing to ask for.

Why is it scummy minus the random and constant daykills part?

Huh? Asking someone to daykill somebody else takes the direct heat off of you. It's similar to allowing somebody else to make your case, then jumping on and citing them. If they're wrong, hey, it was their case, not yours...

[Mr. Flay]

This game needs a whole hell of a lot less softclaiming.

I'm thinking the tajo thing is a red herring - he didn't post anywhere on site for the 16th, until after DN locked the thread.

[Mr. Flay]

So, Notoriety makes me think it might be useful for everyone to claim Role Name now (is that allowed by the no-paraphrase rule?). Maybe I'm missing something, but having the ability to pick a different name after your real one is exposed is a big advantage for scum.

Also, everybody who thinks IS's killer was a dayvig needs to

have their head examined

be strung up. VOTE: Midnight's Sorrow.

Almaster's reaction looks fake as hell. DGB's reaction, I'm torn on, but I don't trust myself so early. tajo's sudden appearance stinks.

[Mr. Flay]

I misread your initial post after returning to the room too, Guderian. No harm done.

Faraday's idea to No Lynch repeatedly to beat scum to it looks worse in hindsight now, though... did you not know we could have our direction changed?? What did you see in the rules that made you think it's "not the best idea"?

[Mr. Flay]

Also, Guderian, read my post again. Dayvig = protown role. I'm saying there's no way somebody protown killed IS, therefore scum did it.

[Mr. Flay]

I don't understand the downsides of claiming role names, but whatever. I don't want to get distracted.

Speaking of distractions, it becomes pretty clear to me now that the town destination is Vaabi. The loss of the Pilot is probably not as bad as losing control of the Ship A.I. would be, going on the opening post information. Question is, did the pilot have that or does a (forex) Navigator?

Agree that whoever killed IS should claim, if they think it was a protown move. Anybody else killing should announce a duel first! This Secret Squirrel shit will just get us all killed.

[Mr. Flay]

forgot something on my reread, @flay, what on my sudden appearance stunk?

Just the proximity to IS' death. Circumstantial evidence FTW.

Another death? At this rate, we wont make it out of day one.

Whoever shot Almaster should come forward. They are pretty much confirmed town at this point, baring 2 scum groups or more. (which seems unlikely)

Sad to see your scumbuddy down so soon?

Without losing any real suspicion on MS, UNVOTE: Midnight's Sorrow, VOTE: Guderian - seems off as hell.

Also, Almaster's flip makes me think we might be dealing with a Smalltown setup. In which case, claims are going to be even more suspect than usual. Hunt on scumminess, not role, folks.

SHEEEEEaaaaaaaaaaa.... where you at, bro?

[Mr. Flay]

I'm liking Ivy. She displays a certain recklessness I tend to associate with townie behavior.

For once, we are in agreement. Still, it's a tendency, not clearing.

Bah, UNVOTE: Guderian. Forgot he was the first to out our destination (I was speedreading yesterday). Still somewhat scummy, but that facet makes me not want to lynch him today. Also, his play seems very focused on mechanics, but in an inquisitive way, not a scummy way (mostly).

VOTE: Midnight Sorrow - iso7 REEKS. That'd be his first post-IS-death post, for those playing along at home. Why would you possibly think that somebody killed IS because they thought he was SCUM?

I don't see why anyone would think there's multiple scum factions. The Technician (corrupt crew) seems to be working with the Convict (who I originally thought was going to be some sort of superSK). Unless "terrorist group" is separate, but I doubt it, given the flavor.

[Mr. Flay]

Oh, Merciful Rao. I think I just learned something I didn't want to about the setup. Not sure how to explain it without making things worse, though... Suffice to say, I'm no longer quite so surprised neither vezok or chesskid has died to a daykill yet. More later, don't ask now.

Anyway, while I don't like CKD's laziness in asking me to search, Midnight's Sorrow is the first person to mention "scums" though he

might

be talking about a single multimember group, as opposed to a single SK in a game of 20 players. After that, Guderian's post 264 mentions the possibility, though he thinks it's low. xvart's post 292 argues with 264, implying he thinks it

is

possible/probable.

Ivy: Why do you think xvart has a weapon? Reread Guderian's post again; he said the scanner detects items, whether they are killing weapons or not.

Speaking of distractions, it becomes pretty clear to me now that the town destination is Vaabi.

Is yours not?

Of course it is. I just didn't want another several pages of dragging out the obvious... even if scum didn't know the Town Destination originally, they did by the time two players said "Vaabi", so further inquiry is silly.

Guderian: What made you decide to reveal the scanner's entire description, when earlier you talked about hiding items as much as possible??

xvart: Smalltown just means 'roles' and 'alignments' are disassociated. Almaster was a Technician, but scum regardless, and strongly implied to be working with the convict/terrorists.

Sarcasm apparently flies over your head, doesn't Mr. Flay?

Uh huh. Not buying that that was sarcasm, sorry.

Interesting on reread that AlmasterGM was one of the people objecting to a mass nameclaim. DGB will laugh at me for saying it, but I think it might be worth revisiting that. At the least, we can start to look for patterns. Nobody does it until at least a majority of living players agree, though...

[Mr. Flay]

What did Almaster say that made you think he had legit reasons, when it turns out he probably didn't (i.e. his name looks much like mine)? That doesn't make any sense...

[Mr. Flay]

So, 'Miller' claim then. Interesting... if you are indeed forbidden to kill, we should be able to avoid wasting a lynch and just daykill you tomorrow. We need to know who that killer will be ahead of time, though, so that if for some reason you're lying it will be crystal clear.

[Mr. Flay]

WHY AM I YOUR ISO MONKEY? Do your own reads, people.

CKD: Why isn't it laziness to ask me to find a post for you??

[Mr. Flay]

Interesting that Kitoari's first response was to attack it as libel, not reveal his/her millerness.

[Mr. Flay]

CKD: Why isn't it laziness to ask me to find a post for you??

not having time to find a post and laziness are two separate things.

Pray tell, explain how they are different.

Ivy:

Did you have the tape when the game started, or did you pick it up in "your" room later?

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Alright, the standings for personal introductions seem to be as follows:

• FOR
  
  
• Mr. Flay
  (proposed it)
  
  
• Chesskid3
  
• Kitoari
  Thestatusquo
  (forced to claim, may not actually support it)
  
  
• Faraday
  
• Guderian
  
• DrippingGoofball
  
• Katsuki
  
  
  AGAINST:
  
  
• AlmasterGM
  
• curiouskarmadog
  
  
  NOT WEIGHING IN YET:
  
  
• Dafish
  (asked a question instead of responding)
  
  
• Midnight's Sorrow
  
• xvart
  
• PoisonIvy
  (this post sorta went "meh" about the idea, but might have confused roles for role names, like chesskid did)
  
  
• populartajo
  (lurking, or V/LA)
  
  
• Seraphim
  (lurking, or V/LA)
  
  
• mikeburnfire
  (V/LA)
  
  
• Vezokpiraka
  (V/LA)
  
  
• Flameaxe
  (lurking, or V/LA)
  
  
  
  ABSTAINING, I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU SAY:
  
  
• TheLonging

[Mr. Flay]

Wait, I assumed scum killed me?