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1 Decently enoughHoopla wrote:
2 I just chose two numbers around the midway point, got around the area in the draft I wanted actually
3 About equal chance. I would be surprised if they double both numbers, or have three people pick the same starting number, but draft numbers arent enough to clear on. I would hedge a bet on no more then two scum have the same X number, but again thats going to just be a WIFOM battle.
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No Ben vote, again????Fate wrote:
Bad play, again????DrippingGoofball wrote:Vanilla, again????-
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Ben is the only one who starts with ben. For those who do not wish to look at the playerlist - Benmage.
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Yes.xvart wrote:
YouLlamaFluff, 45 wrote:2 I just chose two numbers around the midway point, got around the area in the draft I wanted actuallywantedto be towards the bottom?
Why is that a problem?
This is why we should wagon BenBenmage wrote:Vote AndriusKitoari's replacement. This is a real vote.-
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He isnt role fishing. Check your defninitons. If anyone is fishing its you for the "maybe he took vanilla" statement.slowsilver wrote:Hmm
VOTE: iamausername
Role-fishing isn't good, role-jesting is fine in my books. You're just trying to pass it off as something else.
So are you trying to say its a tell or not? If you see it as null why are you even commenting on it. This is just allowing you to call it a tell or not as you see it fit later in the game.
He probably just didn't want to be a target which he would be if he was higher up - unless he is scum in which case he is trying to cover up his mistake with LIES and even worse ACCEPTANCE.xvart wrote:You wanted to be towards the bottom?
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Again, is that a scumtell voting him? You again have it set up both ways.slowsilver wrote:Oh and quick statistics: Guderian has the largest bandwagon (obvious really), but as far as I can tell two of those votes have only jealously behind them (or just as likely scum trying to get rid of a powerful role).
One more time, is it a tell or not and why? If not why ever comment on it?xvart and Fate are the most active vote-wise - with 2 votes each, which isn't really enough to tell anything yet seeing as we are only just coming out of RVS.
I see that you belive that we are out of the RVS so what are your reads on people? IAU is rolefishing is not a read as I already showed you that its not rolefishing. Who is next most scummy?
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So gamblers fallacy?slowsilver wrote:I think that it IS a scum tell voting Guderian
Sure there is, you said the RVS stage is over, so there has to be something to go on.But as I say, there just isn't enough to go on yet.-
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Its gamblers fallacy unless you are saying youslowsilver wrote:Not Gambler's Fallacy so much as trying to eliminate the oppositionknowthat he is town. You are assuming completely ignoring the chance of him being scum defaulting that he picked first so has to be scum.-
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Yeah Pom just jumped the gun to what I was getting to. His one case is the vote on IAU for the "joke-fishing" thing, everything else is too early to tell except for that people voting for Guardian must be scum because for whatever reason Guard must be town as he picked first. He just is on a weak point, a logical fallacy and possibly even a slip, and fence sitting everything else he can find. Also the fence on me, and when I challenged it he suddenly came to the conclusion that I was town.-
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So because I like weak roles/VT more than roles like vigs, cops... vigs... then other stuff I am scum?xvart wrote:
Well... the game is called Pick you Power. The novelty of this game is that you get to... wait for it... pick your power. Someone who signed up for pick your power andiamausername, 60 wrote:What makes that worthy of a vote?wantedto be at the bottom of the list signed up for the wrong game. Either that, or has other motives; and by other motives I meanscummotives. Seriously, did anyone in this game want to be the last to pick their role?
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I HATE being strong power roles. Anyone who has ever played with me before knows this fact, I would rather draw vanilla then cop, vig, doctor, etc. Having night actions to in depth consider messes with my ability to play a good game, almost every time I am unhappy with my play, I was non-vanilla. I hoped for the bottom 1/3 of the list, so I could take a role that I can still use, but also enjoy a bit more. If I was at the top of the list, I might be able to take a decent role out of scum handsxvart wrote:Okay. Let me try this again. This is PICK YOUR POWER. A game where we all get to PICK OUR POWER. Even if someone wanted to be at the bottom of the list, that means he/she wanted to pick after scum, allowing scum to pick some power roles before him/her. And my concern is not that someone might prefer VT to PRs but it is such an interesting statement about landing in the list where llama wanted to be. - can you go into more detail about why you picked the numbers and the decision making process to land you where you wanted to be? Did you want to be dead last? Or somewhere near the bottom? Why specifically did you want to be located where you are?
but I also would not really have much fun. I know this game is pick your power, but what if I dont like many powers available?
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If I had gotten a high role thats what I would have done. Hard to for sure get high or low. Also I never said I wanted to draw vanilla, there are a handful of roles in this game I would like to be. Compared to most though, yes I would prefer vanilla.PranaDevil wrote:Llama, why not get high in the order and pick a scum based role and then never use it? Wouldn't that be better than deliberately trying to get a low draw to avoid a role? I'm not liking the whole "I wanted to be vanilla" stuff, smells fishy to me.-
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shutupshutupshutupshutupshutupshutup
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my original thought was correct.
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I did so by voting Ben.DrippingGoofball wrote:There is no weak doc.
The weak doc is scum.
Discuss.
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I just picked a mid range number with high kicker. Figured most people would pick 1-3, 7-9 or 13-15, so went for the dead middle of it all.xvart wrote:
But how did you strategically pick your numbers so you would be at the bottom?LlamaFluff, 166 wrote:I HATE being strong power roles. Anyone who has ever played with me before knows this fact, I would rather draw vanilla then cop, vig, doctor, etc. Having night actions to in depth consider messes with my ability to play a good game, almost every time I am unhappy with my play, I was non-vanilla. I hoped for the bottom 1/3 of the list, so I could take a role that I can still use, but also enjoy a bit more. If I was at the top of the list, I might be able to take a decent role out of scum hands
but I also would not really have much fun. I know this game is pick your power, but what if I dont like many powers available?
Because if I got a top few draft pick, I would be obligated to take a strong role out of scum hands, not a role that I would like to be. Out of the list, there were only a few roles that I went "ooh that would be fun". Most were along the lines of "thats a stupid role".
But this is a direct contradiction. Why not go for a high number and pick one of the roles you would like to be, and if already selected, then win for the VT assignment?LlamaFluff, 177 wrote:
If I had gotten a high role thats what I would have done. Hard to for sure get high or low. Also I never said I wanted to draw vanilla, there are a handful of roles in this game I would like to be. Compared to most though, yes I would prefer vanilla.PranaDevil wrote:Llama, why not get high in the order and pick a scum based role and then never use it? Wouldn't that be better than deliberately trying to get a low draw to avoid a role? I'm not liking the whole "I wanted to be vanilla" stuff, smells fishy to me.
Thats why he is my vote. Your weak bus of ben is noted...Benmage - you whole premise is based on the weak doc being in town's hands, which is something we don't necessarily know.
Do you want game threads or MD threads? Multiple of both exist. Especially for the vig hate. I even adhere to the like for vanilla games to an extent as a mod, you were in that last mountainous-esq theme I ranvollkan wrote:@llamafluffDo you have any meta evidence for your professed preference for vanilla?
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Dear me who has not been driven to alchohol by family issues,
INhim is also probably scum
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Fate, vote Ben.
DONT MAKE ME CAP LOCK TO CONVINCE YOU
Guardian is probably VVI town, Ben is scum, for multiple reasons. The most recent already outlined, the most previous from before the game started.-
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Unlce Fate needs to realize that the next generation at times knows what they are talking about. Like Ben is scum. He is not being "retarded" like Parama is saying. He is not just being aggressive. He is scum. He 100% assumes that a role is town, that according to his theory of what a winning combination should be, is the second role that should be chosen, and he sure isnt second on the list as far as I see. Now scum should know if what alignment that role is... they should indeed. Note he also is overlooking that the best solution for the cop would be to have the a "town" WATCHER on them since thats a 1-1 trade that can also deal with the threat of a scum vanilla-izer or scum roleblock.Fate wrote:Prana listen, you NEED to come back to us. You're not the same as you were as a child. You argue with yourself over the best strategies and theories, and then you ask Uncle Fate to help you in your arguments? We're worried about you, we really are.
Tah-dah!
Ben is suggesting sub-par ideas to deal with a role that also makes a lot of assumptions about alignments. Also he is suggesting a policy lynch of a slot if they did not pick cop, if you look at him, he is setting up to turn that into his core arguemnt depending on what happens next. I think Guardian NOT-cop is more of a town tell since scum want that gone just as much if not more then town. Ben is hoping to tack on a null if even that tell to a wagon in hopes of powering through the lynch at this point
That and his first vote is ultra-scummy.
Ben needs lynching Uncle Fate, just join the wagon already. We can all be wrong at times, its just about how quickly we can remedy it. Here is your chance.-
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Last game I remember with him was a long time ago where I was a wierd third party-ish role who had to help scum but only knew who one scum was, and he was town, looked really pro-town, and then got himself modkilled. May have played with him more recently though, although if I did he was far less memorable there.Ellibereth wrote:llama have you played with ben before.-
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Parama - He is just bad town who is arrogent because he got top pick and now has loud people yelling at him making him act like an ass. Almost positive he is town here. I wont vote him outside of him explicitly claiming to be scum.-
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I dont have a problem with you, I know you are arrogent as well, I am too to an extent at least. That doesnt stop me from trying to not have people I think are town lynched, or stop me from getting people to agree with me that they are town. I dont hink that changing numbers is a big tell if someone is playing a WIFOM game, I think most of the people voting him are leaning town, but I just have a mislynch feeling here.Parama wrote:That's because I'm posting. Don't worry, I don't have anything worth posting atm unless someone asks.
@Llama - That's not the problem I have with him. I am arrogant as hell always. That doesn't stop me from scumhunting while also getting people to side with me. And claiming to change numbers is in fact explicitly claiming to be scum. But whatever. We don't NEED your vote to lynch him.
But whatever, I dont NEED you to vote someone else to stop him from getting lynched. Im going to fight this as long as it is there I think. Also I thought I removed that from my sig, so will do that now, although im rerunning it with a different theme and ranking system axed.-
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I know, I just am replying in the same style of post for the irony.Parama wrote:I don't care about convincing you in particular to vote for him. I'm following what I believe too, y'know.
Also im thinking scum team looks like this:
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Really? Not much you are doing suggest anything contrary, you are managing to hit emotional town tells though.Guderian wrote:Parama - He is just bad town
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Meh, most of your secondary reads look good but your vote is in the wrong spot. Ben is still scum. The number thing is a little confusing to me since I see it, but I dont think we should base a D1 lynch on it.Parama wrote:I see several people who say they feel I'm scum, and none of them are voting me.
This is gonna be a fun game :>
I could easily see gandalf being the "lurker" part of my scum list though, and if it came down to him or Guard it would be no contest where my vote would be. The loud one I have an idea but I want to see them dig themselves a bit of a hole before biting.-
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Most recent game I have some PR hate commentary in (was a mountainous one)vollkan wrote:
1 town game, and 1 md please.llamafluff wrote: Do you want game threads or MD threads? Multiple of both exist. Especially for the vig hate. I even adhere to the like for vanilla games to an extent as a mod, you were in that last mountainous-esq theme I ran
LOT more MD ones though with recent things, this one is probably the best since it was about three months ago and even refrences a game where I talked about the same stuff
If I had the ability between getting any known role or getting VT to take a role away from scum, I would be VT every game. I hate getting roles that much. They damage my play almost on the level of hostility in the thread.-
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There are many types of loud/dominant players. This may or may not be you in this case.Fate wrote:
Do I get to be the loud one? That spot better be reserved for me!LlamaFluff wrote: The loud one I have an idea but I want to see them dig themselves a bit of a hole before biting.
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I agree to disagree with you about Guider. I would be fine with a Gandalf lynch, but Ben needs a rapid death, so does inhim. That magic trio I put my stamp of approval of having at least two scum in.-
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Can I compramise and say the "predominant one"
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Cool. Then scum is
Ben
Inhim
xvart
The Lurkergandalf
The Predominant One-
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xvart would be #4 to lynch, but yes they are on my list.Fate wrote:You still have xvart as scum?
Derp.
Inhimscum called Parama scum who is in the same group (8) as him? Maybe. He's not as much of a threat as Guderian is.
Gandalf is obv, but I have secret reasons why wagonning Guderian will be more beneficial to town.
Inhim I would be ok with lynching right now. If you look at the same post from him you are talking about, he goes onto talk about how we are all voting G simply because he was the only one who had a X1 number and that if someone else had picked that, then there would be no real case on him. Reads as a very passive deflection from the wagon that he is currently sitting on. Tie in appeal to athority, and if my G read is wrong, Inhim needs insta-death.-
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If G is scum there is no doubt that Inhim needs death, he would be my #1 pick instantly. If G is town Inhim is still probably scum to me. That read is independent of what Gs alignment is, but G being scum strengthens it.
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G the person who starts with G who I cant ever spell due to thinking of Guardian and Giardia when I try to spell his annoying name. Can I start calling him Giardia? I have used that term about 100 times in my wastewater treatment design paper. Gandalf is Gandalf.
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Fate, want to compramise and wagon up Inhim?-
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Ben and Inhim are still going to need lynching.-
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What about giving Ben or Inhim a nice rope necklace?DrippingGoofball wrote:I do have a vague recollection of a game I replaced in, was town, and when pressured I unconsciously made up motivations for my predecessor's night actions, as if I made the decisions myself. I do believe there was great skepticism. I might have been lynched, I don't remember. So I can understand this sort of making up of memories.UNLESSthere is reason to believe that the explanation can pretty much only come from a QT read.
If one of those two or gandalf arent going to get lynched today im going to lose it unless something major happens. I would be happy with rope going to any of those guys.-
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Cue fate meltdown in -1, -2, -3.... go!
Cue Giardia meltdown in 3, 2, 1.... go!-
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I feel an impending meltdown. Sort of a *le sigh* move since I really dont want one but feel it coming. Fun, fun, fun....Guderian wrote:Lalalafluff, what is the point of that post?
Lets change pace though
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He is scum for serious. My daycop ability said he is, was deciding when to claim that result but I think this is time enough....-
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It was, that upon lots of other stuff. Its why Ben is one of the people that needs a nice new necklace.Guderian wrote:also, fate did you miss the part where benmage specifically asked me to claim. Do you consider that scummy?-
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Few things that I am thinking about, too lazy/tired to look them up though so someone else should
1) Who was bringing up some "Giardia or vollkan" thing? I think someone was talking about that at one point.
2) Did Hoopla do this neighborhood thing in PPY3?
There may have been a three but I got distracted by the TV. If I remember it I will ask.
This week is going to be busy for me, I have a term project due Tuesday and two more Friday. Then next week is finals. That means my posting is probably going to be short and fast, thats what she said, but it still will be.-
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Psst... people
Hoopla and Giardia are not scum together. This is really serious.-
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I still say that Giardia is town and just the resident mislynch bait for this game.
Just got a slight whiff of a town read from inhim, so going back to Ben. Ben is definantly scum, someone read him in iso and tell me how you can think otherwise.
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Updated scum list for those who are interested, which should be all yall:
Ben
Cupcake
Sajin
Inhim
Eli or Rabies
Also: Giardia is town, Hoopla is town, IAU is town, Pom is town, Jack, Parama and Fate are probably town.
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Ben, the one im voting for, by a mile. Its basically in order although LC/Sajin are pretty close together, I would not have any problem with Sajin then LC.inHimshallibe wrote:Llama, of the four uniques, which do you find scummiest?-
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I took it like Parama said.inHimshallibe wrote:Well, he's not actually one of those four, but he is pretty high up on the draft order.
Out of those four probably Gandalf, but I really dont think any of them are anything more then slightly leaning scum. If it was up to me none of them would be getting lynched today. However we have a lot of people pigeonholing the lynch into one of those four for reasons I cant really understand much.-
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People are so locked into them though that no one is paying attention to anyone else and are trying to force any type of scumtell possible onto the slots. Giardia really is town, if I have to claim Mason with him I will to get that point accross. Chck and vollkan are null at this point, cant really think of much either have done, Gandalf is the only one I can really see as scum, but even then there are quite a few who are much scummier then he is.inHimshallibe wrote:To me, we're looking at those four because two of them are acting pretty damned scummy, the numbers favor us hitting scum among the uniques, and lynching scum higher up on the draft order takes away scum power.
If you have a confirmation bias to at least one of the four being scum, you will try and force any possible tell you can find into supporting this evidence. Why arent we concentrating on the (6,1) people? There is what, about a 60% chance that one of them is scum?
Look at any attempt to start a wagon on anyone outside of the top four, it gets shut down every time. I think xvart at 4/5 has got the most and that was a very early wagon. People outside of the top four are just getting to do whatever they want but everyone is refusing to pay attention to them. Like Ben. Have you isoed him yet?-
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Was kind of a frustration/sarcasam thing of saying how stupid this all seems to me. I dont think that we should lynch one of the (6,1) people because their number, or that we should lynch one of the first four because of their number. We should lynch someone who is acting really scummy and people are using odds to avoid paying attention to.Parama wrote:Yeah Llama the issue is I don't really think any of those three are scum. Yet. Andy hasn't really fulfilled his posting quota this game though which is making me rethink my town read on him. Sajin lost his town read... Pome's kept it though. I'd be most willing to lynch Sajin out of the three, but there are 6 scum in a game with 5 scum and we need to take care of them all first.-
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Nah Giardia is town. He is my pseudo-mason buddy.-
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Its not a horrible list, and its more evidence as to why he is town.Hoopla wrote:Holy shit, I think Gundian just nailed the scumteam!
Also im sorry but I will probably keep calling you Giardia. My spelling is atrocious, and my normal name remembering tricks are not working with your name, I cant make it shorter, and I cant even pronounce it. Im sticking to something that is close, people will know, and that I will be able to use consistancy.-
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Will go with Gud then, although if I post while really tired or have been drinking no promises. Given what these next few weeks hold that may happen a few times.-
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Thats what im reading, but I still have it coming from town who is just really confused about what is going on and trying to figure out how to stop getting attacked. The fact that he is not really going for all the hot topics reads as slight town as well. I just cant get my head around how his early posts didnt come from town, they read as new town who figured people would like him due to having first pick, realized it wasnt going to help him and freaked out.Hoopla wrote:Although, it looks more like a newbie under pressure trying to figure out what the right thing to say is, and then say it, even if he doesn't get it.-
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Benmage for probably about the zillionth time. HAVE YOU READ HIM IN ISO? You are not voting him so I can only assume and hope the answer is no given that you are not voting him. Correct your flaws vote scum/bus your buddy, we can all move on.inHimshallibe wrote:
Names. I don't give too much care to the "serious scumtells" - we'll need an explicit list of names.We have people committing some serious scumtells and they are just getting a pass because all of this number nonsense with no substance to give it any girth.
Gud is beyond obvious town, no one else in the top four is really that scummy. Others are, they get lynched, we move on. SERIOUSLY PEOPLE!
Quite a few people, enough to start a noticeable wagon at least have agreed with me over time that he is scum. Lets actually start this wagon and lynch scum instead of just wandering around aimlessly like we are now only to end up with a deadline VI lynch.-
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So you consider Benmage a VI lynch? So you think he is town?inHimshallibe wrote:
As opposed to other Benmage lynches?deadline VI lynch.-
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Ode to Guderian
They all think youre scum
For reasons unknown
Yet here I scream town
But sadly alone
It "numbers" this
and "come on already" that
As no one still listens
To this African cat
They should look at others
Like possibly ben
Only at that point
Will we finally win
If I have to write poems
to get my point across
I will continue to do so
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He is town because he not able to figure out exactly what is going on here. Look at his play, people get mad at his, he tried something. People get mad at that, he tries doing something else people seem to be suggesting. The pattern of trying to please his attackers and right what they are yelling at him for being wrong about is all there. He realizes that numbers are big, he goes for the other high ranks. People talk about neighborhoods, he makes a scum list based on them. This is the sign on town trying to fix what people are saying he is scummy for by scumhunting on that instead of what I think he would otherwise. If Gud was scum, he would be able to adjust a whole lot quicker then he is, and probably please people a whole lot faster. He seems to be flying solo, he thinks he finds a solution, sticks hard on it for five pages or so, gives up and tries something else. This man is not getting coached.vollkan wrote:
I don't see why it is evidence of towniness. Number-heavy play is not a towntell, especially when the statistical method is just garbage. While I am not accusing Guderian of being scummy for it (I want to see how he responds), number-heavy play is an easy way that scum can make their arguments appear objective and complex, thus avoiding a lot of debate.llama wrote: Its not a horrible list, and its more evidence as to why he is town.
Stupid real vote to start...Parama wrote:Can you post the major points of your BM case? (3 is fine, I don't want to see a wall tbh.)
Not wanting to be in an abrasive game is not a tell of anything but sanity, but moving on to more serious things.Benmage wrote:Vote AndriusKitoari's replacement. This is a real vote.
We have these two quotes in short time from eachother
Anywhose I agree about the increased likelyhood of a scum in the top 4. I like hooplas reasoning to exclude chk. I'd also want to rule out Guideran. I while I see scum going for top picks I don't see them desiring cop. And going 1,1 seems like and all or nothing move.Sure scum could go for this. And I drink a lot of wine when I look at G-man and what he’s done/said/is. Scum could go for it, and go for broke, only to nullify the single most powerful town role. But they’d have to be pretending to be a cop, giving a few results on whomever..Maybe even Nking a townie they confirmed or something, but they’d have to eventually give over a scum. Either bussing, or lying themselves. Moreover when/if the weak doctor was ever NK’d the cop would have to die the next night. And if they didn’t they’d be lynch fodder. Therefore (wine) sacrificing a weak scum to knock out the most powerful town role, doesn’t appear to be a bad idea. That is G-man, and I say this only because of his join-date.
Let’s just say if he didn’t pick cop, I’d like to lynch him right now relentlessly.
Ben is setting up a possible policy lynch here on Gud if he did not choose cop. This goes against a whole lot of logic. Already Ben openly has called Gandalf scum, and says for a (1,1) pick that Gud is probably town. At the same time though, he is willing to throw that read out on a WIFOM call for his lynch, as anyone who did NOT pick cop with their first pick must be scum as only town would want to have the biggest threat to scum. This is a personal preference thing.
For refrence looking at past games
PYP1 - First pick (town) - Vig
PYP2 - First pick (scum) - Cop
PYP3 - First pick (scum) - Vig
So town has never picked cop first... and scum has half the time. Makes perfect sense to policy lynch non-cop off this data...
Stupid again... not a tell... radda raddaAlso based on what hooplas saying I think it very likely to have scum in the bottom 2 neighbors and like my initial andrius vote even more.
Hah, love this scum tell. Ok Ben just outright admitted that what he wants to policy lynch Gud for is NOT a scumtell. He calls it anti-town, which is *drumroll* NOT INDICATIVE OF ALIGNMENT!!!!Benmage wrote:Not picking 1 as cop is the single most anti-town thing therefore if Gude didn't pick cop He committed the most anti-town thing and deserves to be hung.
If it was it would be a scum tell, or a town tell, not an anti-town null tell. This is the entire case on Gud from Ben. If he didnt pick cop he is anti-town and must die.
As we move on, we have Ben trying to control the doctor, another really awesome thing right there. I would rather keep a midstrenght strong player with a PR alive over a weaker player with a better PR.
Another wierd thing that he is doing is assuming that the doctor MUST be town. There is only one way Ben can possibly know this (and of course he cant be the doctor because thats the second best role apparently and therefore second pick MUST have it), and that is Ben is scum.
Look at his attempts to set up a policy lynch on Gud. He makes the statemtent that if Gud picked ANYTHING but cop he must die, and what does past game show? Town has never picked cop first, scum picked cop first half the time. His "policy" does not support this games meta in the least bit. On top of that, he admits that it is only an anti-town tell and has nothing to do with alignment.
On top of that he is making some assumptions on alignments of roles, and is jumping all over Andrius for a very impressive null tell, attempting to set him up to get piled on if anyone decides to talk about lynching from that "neighborhood"
Ben is scum. Please someone else see this already. We arent lynching Town-Gud, we arent lynching Gandalf, we arent lynching chick or vollkan. We are lynching the SCUMMIEST PLAYER. That is Ben.-
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unvote
Vote Gandalf
Anyone over Gud and deadline is coming
Finals week is next week, biggest ones are tuesday and then a pair friday, access will chance respectively.-
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Fine.Le Cupcake wrote:
Anyone over Gud? So you pretty much don't care who we lynch...townie points there. /sarcasmLlamaFluff wrote:unvote
Vote Gandalf
Anyone over Gud and deadline is coming
Finals week is next week, biggest ones are tuesday and then a pair friday, access will chance respectively.
Anyone but a handful of people none of who are in danger of being lynched over Gud leaving Gandalf as the only viable non-Gud lynch in this situation. Shall I include indepth definitions of "anyone" like that in the future when I am making a point to avoid "/sarcasam" responses? (/sarcasam)-
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Actually the far more interesting point is why you are so concerned about me jumping on the Gandalf wagon when you have been pushing it on tells AND meta for a week.Le Cupcake wrote:
Anyone over Gud? So you pretty much don't care who we lynch...townie points there. /sarcasmLlamaFluff wrote:unvote
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Well, whats your other heads point then?Le Cupcake wrote:I don't think that was my other head's point. (as in, you jumping onto gandalf)
You apparently are fine with me joining Gandalf wagon, you have been completely ignoring Gud so I doubt you think he is scum if its been the entire game without you saying anything. Was it just a comment to make me look bad when apparently you are fine with the move?
Can someone vig cupcake tonight? Please.-
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I would be completely willing to lynch Cupcake, or Ben.
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Wagon isnt going anywhere but people who want to update their actions should be able to. Also we may have preferable wagons available to us.
FATE WANT TO LYNCH A CUPCAKE WITH RED-SCUM FROSTING?
I like most of Paramas list, and I friggen told you Gud was town.-
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You seem to be saying the best thing for the town is to pick cop and then weak doctor, anything else is SURELY anti-town and policy-lynchable. Given that that is the case, you should not have picked weak doc, so the only way you can know the alignment of the weak doc would to be scum with no WD on it.Benmage wrote:
I don't understand the underlined.LlamaFluff wrote: Like Ben is scum. He is not being "retarded" like Parama is saying. He is not just being aggressive. He is scum. He 100% assumes that a role is town,that according to his theory of what a winning combination should be, is the second role that should be chosen, and he sure isnt second on the list as far as I see.Now scum should know if what alignment that role is... they should indeed.
1. Look at what I dug up, town has never picked cop first, scum does half the time, that makes it a crappy policy lynch.
1. So?LlamaFluff wrote: Ben is suggesting sub-par ideas to deal with a role that also makes a lot of assumptions about alignments.1.Also he is suggesting a policy lynch of a slot if they did not pick cop, if you look at him, he is setting up to turn that into his core arguemnt depending on what happens next.2.I think Guardian NOT-cop is more of a town tell since scum want that gone just as much if not more then town. Ben is hoping to tack on a null if even that tell to a wagon in hopes of powering through the lynch at this point
That and his first vote is ultra-scummy.
2. Couldn't disagree more. Why would town want the cop gone?
My first vote was solid. Nor did I waste time with a rvs. And my belief on that slot remains true.
2. Want it gone from others hands. Scum have cop and thats one less role to hunt them down, perfectly fine move for scum to take that role early on.
First, im a he. Its a dude lion. Second, I have a few of my town/null reads saying that you are probably town so taking that into effect. If it came down to you or Gandalf though, you would be getting a nice new rope for the holidays.Benmage wrote:I like llama's unvote but doesn't vote me, especially after Parama's vote. Cause her case is smoke and mirrors, crap and nonexistent.
I would like to see Cupcake or Ben swing today, going to put a little trust in the reads of my town reads, assume Ben might just be applying the "I am the world" theory to his reads, so will try and kickstart something new.
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1. So you are back to policy lynching anyone that does not make what YOU decide is the optimal decision? People all think differently, some people would rather not be cop, stop with these stupid policy lynches.Benmage wrote:
1. Again different games. Different total roles. Different players. Nor do I care if people played sub-optimally in past games.Me wrote:1. Look at what I dug up, town has never picked cop first, scum does half the time, that makes it a crappy policy lynch.
2. Want it gone from others hands. Scum have cop and thats one less role to hunt them down, perfectly fine move for scum to take that role early on.
2. How does the #1 pick not taking cop make it more of a town tell? I don't understand what you're saying...."want it gone from other hands" Okay town wants it in town hands...therefore they should take it #1.....I agree that scum taking cop #1 to lead town on a wild goos chase is viable. It also denies them having to look for it if a town slot later in the pickings covered over cop. I don't see why town wouldn't want cop, and why thats a towntell for #1 pick.
2. Town wants it in town hands, scum wants it in scum hands. Scum are more threatened by cop so want it out of the way more then town would want it on their sides I would think. Town is more likely to take things they like then take thing that are "correct", so a non-cop choice would be a slight town tell to me.
I also would like to present you with this evidence I just dug up for cupcake scum. I did a little sleuthing with my camera and managed to take this picture real quickly, and think that its evidence enough.
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If I had to bet he doesnt know this himself.Fate wrote:Andrius is in this game? Seriously?
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