DEFCON Mafia 2.0 - Over, American Victory!

[Jack]

confirm

[Jack]

nuke:bobsnoxious

for advertising in sig.

[Jack]

Am I right in thinking that it's vital the town get submarine? Can't the scum just kill someone each day with impunity if they have it?

[Jack]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPsL2WVhFCc

Some patriotic music for the confirmation stage.

[Jack]

IGMOMGUSEOY

[Jack]

What the hell? how did that get there? I posted this, let's see if it works this time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znEePD1nJxo

[Jack]

"AMERICA: FUCK YEAH" is more appropriate in this case.

Isn't that song anti-american?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rnHpNWy ... re=related

[Jack]

I played in a game where anyone could vig at any time during the day. I wanted to vig someone but caved to town pressure. He was scum and won

The only rule about nuking should be "don't be stupid".

[Jack]

X flips russion
Y looks like his scumbuddy
Y has been investigated non russian

All russians dead
XYZ are non chinese

X is investigated as chinese, guilty result
Lynch X

^^all good things

[Jack]

Scum is chatting in their qt about what to take and is less bored than we are.

[Jack]

Let's lynch gandalf day 1.

[Jack]

Jed I will nuke you if you keep up the "any townies who nuke without my permission will get lynched" stuff.

[Jack]

I keep checking this thread thinking I should make a post, but you people keep rehashing the same silly arguments over and over.

Yes.

But I think Jed is town.

[Jack]

@Jack: Can we have some substantive analysis from you too? I mean nothing personal but you are one of my scum reads from today.

Also, even though I appreciate your appraisal of me as town, once again substance/content is required.

Based on your content so far I have the following questions if you would like to answer them:

Why did you fluff nuke Bobs in your confirm post?
What is your opinion of the sub role?
You said that we were bored in DEFCON 1 but that didn't ring with me. Everything seemed pretty exciting up to that point. Can you explain further?

Can't have any substantive analysis. I think it's been mostly garbage time posts.

1. his sig
2. great for scum
3. in pyp2 we had 200 qt posts before the draft talking about roles. As town you pretty much just make up your mind. We were posting music links and goofing around, I guess some people weren't bored though.

[Jack]

fos:toogeloo

based on skim

[Jack]

Why don't you be honest with yourself and just say you are upset because

I'll give you a hint Fate...

Hay, Fate... I'm just calling it as I see it. If anything, you reacted poorly to my comment, since I was asking you if you felt your activity could be seen as scummy, but I suppose that would be pretty scummy of me to point out, right?

So let me ask, why do you want to know my stance on dana's alignment when you seem to already have me figured out?

etc

[Jack]

I can't believe we're at 25 pages already.

[Jack]

That reminds me, as a compromise on the nuke thing we could institute the two man rule like in "the sum of all fears".

So nuking someone doesn't require town approval, but you have to get approval from two other people. Or one other maybe.

[Jack]

fos:SpyreX

For starting a crappy bandwagon.

Sure, why not.

unvote vote: Jed

I haven't seen much real contribution from him.

SAGRCUDSRCDOSRDGCSOEDU

vote:dana

[Jack]

fos:toog

again

[Jack]

fos:bunnylover

His iso is bad too.

[Jack]

I.E. Jed's list is as useful as he is town.

His list is fine and he said he was coming with more when he has time and I believe him because he has like 150 posts, your suspicion sucks which makes you more likely scum.

[Jack]

I was ignoring the thread mostly although I think I said he seemed town. Also "dance" and "I refute it thus: you didn't say it earlier when you could have" are cheap rhetoric.

It's not unreasonable to say IS has been lurking.

[Jack]

I'm not saying you're lurking, I just think all players should unite in providing shared content so that we can all prosper equally. Everyone has a responsibility to post according to his ability to, because we have a right to get as much material as we need to get a read from.

[Jack]

"Could you all please post your analysis of DEFCON 5 & 4 because

we have very little in the way of content

to judge your play on..."--Jed cooper

"BUT INTERNET STRANGER HAS 35 POSTS, HE'S THE 6TH HIGHEST IN THE GAME"--spyrex

[Jack]

But, if you're determined to defend that list as 'good' and not 'junk':

His list is fine

It's not unreasonable

You are grasping in trying to make that post scummy. That means you are calling it worse than it is.

[Jack]

Read between the lines. I have 35 posts of good American content. Jed has 155 posts of mostly fluff and dick waving with the Panda guy.
All youre doing is making yourself a communist nuke target Jack. Keep on going. Please. Save your buddy Jed by creating a crapwagon towards me.

I want dana lynched and then spyrex. Toog and bunny are next on my list but I would have to do some more work reading them.

[Jack]

I am saying that list is arbitrary and not actually a list with any real value or meaning.

Further, I am saying this is true because Jed is scum.

Jed is not scum because of the list. Jed is scum, again, because of the 180.

He threw in all his dice on the vig's and when that didn't float it became abundantly clear his 150+ posts were NOT actually a stance he cared about.

This is nonsense. He got pissed when people weren't going to follow the plan he cared about and said "well **** you then". That's evidence that he DID care.

Additionally, while I think IS is town he is serving as an

example

of why said list is arbitrary. Much like how the K's not being there again showcases how it is arbitrary.

Personal isn't arbitrary. When I call people out it's because something they did struck me, not because I did an exhaustive review. THIS HAPPENS IN LIKE EVERY LURKER CALL OUT EVER

I want dana lynched and then spyrex. Toog and bunny are next on my list but I would have to do some more work reading them.

So, you're basing this off the 'list' and not anything else, because as you said you hadn't been keeping up?

Woooosh.

My basis for reads is the same as it always is.

[Jack]

FOS:aurorus

745 is scummy

fos:bobsnox

756

smack:bunnylover[/b[

799

[Jack]

unvote, vote:Aurorus

[Jack]

According to Fate, we have 8 Scum in this game:

dana
Toog
IS
Jed
bunny
bob
av
Kat

That's almost half the game... Even if 7 of the 8 flip town, if that 8th flips scum, I guarantee Fate will be like, "I told you so, my reads are awesome!"

What on earth are you trying to say here?

[Jack]

No it isn't. You have to make up **** about 8 people, and scum are scumhunting the other team this game so the point is irrelevant from the start.

[Jack]

dana, explain your jed vote.

[Jack]

@percy: yessssss

@AV: die soon

[Jack]

What a surprise that Jack's now piggybacking off of Percy's argument. That's a direct avoidance of my question twice now, on top of hypocrisy about someone else not providing reasons. If you agree with everything Percy said, then you can answer my question to him in my previous post as well.

So how do you feel about piggybacking, avoidance, and hypocrisy?

[Jack]

How do you feel about people ignoring things?

[Jack]

I need not explain my Jed vote in the least. Care to look at the other votes on the same page? I think you'll find that none of them appear very serious even after the most rudimentary scrutiny.

Fair enough actually.

[Jack]

In fact I appreciate IS's play suddenly.

[Jack]

FOS:BOBSNOX

for fos'ing me.

[Jack]

That's nice, I fos you and you turn around and cast suspicion on me for it in response.

[Jack]

unvote, vote:toog

[Jack]

toog is just trying to pull a hit job on fate instead of approaching it in an is-he-scum way. Toog is scum.

Evidence:

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 8&start=50

[Jack]

Oh? So is this another,

"you aren't saying what I want you to, so you must be scum,"

thing?

GRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. IM GOING TO BED AFTER THIS BEFORE I CAN'T SLEEP.

TWIST TWISTTWIST DO THE TWISTERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

IT WAS NEVER THAT. IT WAS NEVER ANYTHING OTHER THAN ME KNOWING YOUR META, KNOWING WHAT TOWN WOULD SAY IN SAID SITUATION BASED ON PSYCHOLOGY, KNOWING WHAT YOU AS TOWN WOULD SAY, ETC.

Its not "you fail to live up to my expectations Baku. BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW YOU IS SCUM? YELL YELLYELL"

Its

"why the fuck AREN'T you doing these town things that townyou would be commenting on and seeing?

YOU ARE SCUM. YELLYTELLYELELLYELLLL"

Seems the same thing to me.

Let's try.

Oh? So is this another,

"you aren't saying town things that town you would be commenting on and seeing, so you must be scum,"

thing?

Somehow it lacks the air of assured dismissal now.

[Jack]

We need to have lynched toog already, and then we can lynch AV.

[Jack]

I could make a case
Would be easier to just nuke him

It's defcon 2 tomorrow
You can't nuke people in defcon 2

What makes you think you're going to make it to defcon 1?

[Jack]

When i flip town, can I get a revengelynch?

Have you ever seen or heard of that happening?

[Jack]

Your acting like this is a giant mega slip of some sorts, when all it is me forgetting.

"You're acting like this is a giant slip, when really it's just a little slip!"

unvote, vote:bunnylover

[Jack]

unvote, vote:AV

Moving my vote off bunny until I get back to speed on this game.

[Jack]

Have to say I was getting an annoying bunny-is-town feeling before my absence.

AV is still scum however.

vote:av

[Jack]

Jack: Why not say that

before

you left?

I wanted to look over it more thoroughly, ended up not having time.

Why vote Bunny in the first place?

I thought he was scummy. What's the point of this question?

Your unvote was only because you weren't up to speed on the game, not because you had a townie feeling (you can't have that feeling if you're not up to speed on the game) so don't try to retroactively give a reason of how you "knew better" than everyone else.

Why did I bother unvoting then, genius? I became uncomfortable and wanted to be thorough.

Not even a little comment on Spy's nuke either?

by SpyreX » Mon Jan 03, 2011 2:31 am
by Jack » Mon Jan 03, 2011 2:31 am

Don't particularly like the nuke.

He's trying to gain town-cred for (claiming) having had a townie read on Bunny. I proved that according to his posts, he can't have had that read. Therefore he is lying and claiming reasons retroactively. I'd have said the same if he wasn't voting me.

You're attempt to make a case out of this is pretty obvscum.

[Jack]

- So now you're saying that you became uncomfortable with the Bunny wagon before you unvoted? Okay, but why was this not in your unvote post then? Would it have been hard to say "I think he's town, I'm gonna look more thoroughly at it" rather than some weak placeholder vote and "I need to catch up"? Could it have been because you knew it was a mislynch, and saw that you could slip off it and it would still go through?

What do you mean "now I'm saying"? Are you really trying to act like I'm backtracking?

I was uncomfortable about nothing specific, and wasn't going to call him town until I had more. You made a big complaining post about me not giving reasons earlier, why would you see this as significant?

Multiple scumteams obviously means no one knows what's a mislynch and what isn't.

- Doesn't the existence of previews mean you'd have seen SpyreX's nuke launch when you tried to post?

I saw it after I was done writing my post. Your attempts at gotcha questions are pretty bad.

[Jack]

I think it's likely IS was killed because someone thought he would nuke them right off the bat.

[Jack]

Kats's caps posts sound a bit scummy.

/gargantuan face-palm

Embarrassingly, I forgot this. I thought I'd caught you in a slip because I assumed there were nefarious reasons behind your unvote that were compounded by your first post today. But...since Bunny could have been the opposite scum to you, you'd have had no reason to conceal the reason for your unvote at the time, and you'd have no reason to lie about it now either.

Unvote

You said that I was lying about having a bad feeling about the wagon, and that you'd proved it. If you'd proved it, then it would be true that I was just unvoting to get up to speed, not because I thought bunny was town. So how does multi scum groups affect your claim that my post today was lying to gain townie cred? Couldn't scum who had just unvoted to get back to speed later claim it was because they thought he was town for town cred?

[Jack]

So fate got carrierd?

(If that was directed at me, yes. --AGM)

[Jack]

Vote: danakillsu

Seriously?

IS flips town, and all you do is join a bandwagon that was formed pre-claim, whatever that effect has?

[Jack]

Bobs needs to die soon too. He pretended to find IS scummy and stuck with that and only that (plus fos'ing people in relation to IS) and drops it just to join bandwagons. Also he's scummy.

[Jack]

I'm very readable.

[Jack]

I don't mind lynching Dizzy but we should get her to nuke Dana if Dizzy is going to be our lynch.

Oh my god, scum optimism much?

It's a crying shame that av is still alive.

[Jack]

Um.

*is AV*
*rubs hands together gleefully*

[Jack]

Whatevs

People calling me scum bothers me so little I don't even finish typing my words.

[Jack]

Can't say I feel bad about that.

But the continued AV and bobs aliveness is awful.

[Jack]

Now I feel bad

[Jack]

Yeahhh.

[Jack]

You could have nuked bobs, why didn't you?

[Jack]

Because I don't think he is scum.

You on the otherhand probably are. Which would then imply kit-town.

Ahhh, how would one person being scum imply that someone else is town in a multi scum game?

[Jack]

I think the inhim nuke should be canceled.

kats will flip scum, and jeds flip could be very interesting.

17 alive, 4 dying, new lynch majority will be 7. So don't wagon recklessly.

[Jack]

sorry fate it just slipped out somehow i dont know why

[Jack]

GOD WHAT HAPPENED IN HERE

Jesus thats a pair of bad nukes. Real bad.

And nuking fate when he can't retaliate? BAD FORM.

COWARDLY FORM.

Bad? Cowardly?

[Jack]

So, lack of a nuke cancel on fate is even more of a scumclaim.

Nuke on inhim should obv be cancelled.

Nuke on snake, eh I'd give spy a higher chance of being scum.

More AV votes please.

[Jack]

Mr. Path, would you kahndly recall your weapon of destruction. It is headed to the most undesahrable of conclusions.

I'm sorry sir, I cannot do that.

Why on earth not? He can be nuked or lynched later if he's scummy.

Do you think fate is scum? If not, why do you think scum would protect someone other than a buddy with battleship?

[Jack]

Socio why is bob "not worth the time"?

[Jack]

hmm those leaks sound like snake scum if genuine.

[Jack]

(EBWOPreview: Wait, where did inHim claim doctor? Am I missing something?)

He's the battleship.

hmm those leaks sound like snake scum if genuine.

Well

.

Could you explain to me why you think

Snake

is more likely to be scum--and not, say, Katsuki or danakillsu? Here's what you said about the nukees before:

Why are you quoting what I said about the nukes when my comment was about the leaks? The 2nd and third quotes sound like someone frustrated with their scumbuddy. And snake had a bungled claim (fate said, I didn't check) about using the rolecop on chesskid after he'd already claimed. The leak is "what are you doing claim" end cut off.

I doubt the leaks are that useful but fun.

So, lack of a nuke cancel on fate is even more of a scumclaim.

Nuke on inhim should obv be cancelled.

Nuke on snake, eh I'd give spy a higher chance of being scum.

More AV votes please.

So if anything, your first assumption should be, "Hmm, it must be about Katsuki." I need to check if you were for or against the Jed Cooper wagon on D1. But what really bugs me about this quote is that you try to plant a seed of doubt against SpyreX for doing something that was entirely consistent with his suspicions. Why doesn't, say, the nuke on inHim (which you think should obviously be cancelled) make Sociopath a higher chance of being scum? IIRC, Sociopath never so much as looked at inHim/VV before InHim (the HORROR) posted town reads.

I keep going back and forth on whether this is a scumslip betraying extra information, because you originally seemed to be tarring SpyreX in the event of a Snake townflip--which doesn't fit if you're Snake's

scumbuddy

. But your thought process makes no sense.

1) against jed wagon
2) I don't plant seeds
3) sociopath is scummy
4) multi scum game, scum don't know that anyone is going to flip town

[Jack]

AurorusVox, Sociopath, Spyrex, dana, fate

Also that thing Mina said to dana is pretty bad and scummy.

[Jack]

Praise the lord. An AV lynch actually looks possible.

[Jack]

percy claimed because of what he's going to put in his next post evidently.

Feel free to post guilty results on the other scum team.

[Jack]

As for our actions tonight.

Tai Chi-Target i or v or V with yours. It would be very helpful.

Rogue-Target e with your action. Targeting anyone else either outs you as scum or is needlessly pro-town for no reason. You can say e is playing to his townmeta so you figured he was the easiest town read during your skim.

This is the most interesting part, considering that a lot of the active abilities are already out.

I would very much like to crack the letter code.

I guess inhim will flip soon in any case.

[Jack]

LATER

I'VE ALMOST CRACKED THE LETTER CODE

[Jack]

"C is very spot on with his scum reads. He should be our first NK."

HYPOTHESIS--> C is internet stranger

"im voting C. or should i vote I or E?"
Danakillsu - 5 (Fate, Jack, Faraday, Fate, SpyreX, gandalf)
Jed Cooper - 3 (SpyreX, Fate, gandalf, Sociopath, danakillsu, AurorusVox)
Internet Stranger - 1 (bobsnox)
Fate - 1 (chesskid3)
Toogeloo - 0 (chesskid3)
Katsuki - 0 (Faraday)

Therefore bobsnox is scum and dana and jed are one of I and E

1) Percy
2) SpyreX
3) SocioPath
4) AurorusVox
5) Fate*
6) VasudeVa
7) Faraday
8) RedCoyote
9) Toogeloo*
10) chesskid3
11) bobsnox
12) Jed Cooper* --> I
13) Katsuki*-->H
14) gandalf5166-->G
15) Jack-->F
16) danakillsu* --> E
17) bunnylover--D
18) Internet Stranger* --> C
19) Baby Spice--> B
20) Kitoari -->A

AWESOME

[Jack]

That fits very well, especially with bobsnox wanting to kill IS.

However it doesn't explain the lower case or the V.

[Jack]

I think the code is more complicated than that, I'm fiddling with it now. But those letters fit perfectly and match in thread things and bobs is scum.

[Jack]

It's possible they used one code one day, and another the next.

27 is almost definitely a red herring...several others seem likely to be as well.

anyway,

unvote, vote:bobsnox

[Jack]

rogue is snake/jed I think. More in a bit.

[Jack]

im voting C. or should i vote I or E?

We can discuss who to nuke later. Right now we need to focus on what mislynch we should get, because Fate's wagon might actually be viable and then we can save Rogue's role for someone else.

Tai Chi, go for the dana one. Rogue join me on the Fate wagon. I think we can make a lot of flips happen if Rogue ever gets lynched connection wise, but lets try to steer far away from his lynch right now.

taking this at face value, we have:

Tai Chi = bobsnox, he asked the question and the second quote is the answer
rogue = "lots of flips if he gets lynched connection wise" who else but jed? if fate was lynched they were going to save rogues role. Snake said he's used fighter on fate. They obviously wanted to check what he had.
"I" = the person addressing it. Asks jed to join him on the wagon. I'm figuring this is katsuki because he's scummy, this was the vote += votecount:

Fate worries me. I have seen quite a few fate reactions when I have called him scum/voted him in the past, but this game, he seems to be going overboard. As if he thinks noise can drown out what panda is saying. Considering how well panda and fate supposedly know each other...

Vote: Fate

danakillsu (5) - Faraday, Fate, SpyreX, gandalf5166, Internet Stranger
Faraday (0)
Fate (5) - Toogeloo, chesskid3, bunnylover, danakillsu, Katsuki
gandalf5166 (0)
Internet Stranger (1) - bobsnox
Jack (0)
Jed Cooper (3) - SocioPath, AurorusVox, RedCoyote

Later:

So essentially you have no reason for voting IS aside from his post style.

Unvote, Vote: Bob

He had several posts questioning bob.

msum vtldkj poping vps trvvm xbox music isle jingle mnuips tglaw mtrre lmao bely
stop bussing me

This code user is bobsnox.

******

Which means we are WIPING THIS SCUM TEAM THE **** OUT

[Jack]

I think socio is scum, but you guys realize that SUNSET quote was from the middle of day 1. You should look back there for partners. Got to kats's iso and find his vote for bobs and then read on from there.

I think I got a little closer on getting the whole code.

Rogue-Target e with your action. Targeting anyone else either outs you as scum or is needlessly pro-town for no reason. You can say e is playing to his townmeta so you figured he was the easiest town read during your skim.

This makes fate "e" I believe. And if you do the lowercase letters in the opposite direction of the uppercase ones, fate is at e.

I'm not sure how the wraparound for the capital letters works though. i would be toogeloo, and V or v could be spyrex, or...eh...babyspice.

bobsnox is probably espeonage, hey bobs you mind telling us your results?

AV may be town...hmm.

The other scum team besides the about-to-die one I would call the "smart" scumteam.

[Jack]

I forgot, with the lower case letters going the opposite, this:

c on the other hand is easily lynched, even though he is also accurate. They should be the first targets we look at, and it will look like cross-killing.

Is them talking about sociopath.

If Rogue is danakillsu and I"m e and their "code" involves opposite words (aka, say "town" when you mean "SCUM") then THAT would explain Danakillsu action on me as directed by XXXsmart scumbuddy.

rogue is jed/snake. bobsnox is tai chi. Kats is the "xxxsmart scumbuddy". Remember that snake fighter'd you?

[Jack]

The SUNSET quote has nothing to do with any ACTUAL bussing or any ACTUAL scum communication at that time.

If it was made by Sociopath it was made for the sole purpose of dropping a rain of destruction and WIFOM into the Eavesdroppers lap/Public Postingz lap.

Oh yes I see. He posted it during the toog/fate fight.

[Jack]

Dizzy had better be scum with that post.

[Jack]

We should be wagoning bobsnox. Since it's in our interest to knock one scum team out completely.

[Jack]

I didn't know there was a link.

But we have bobs as confirmed scum from the leaks, and him telling katsuki to stop bussing him.

I was wrong about rogue but that was a different sort of speculation.

[Jack]

If someone nukes bobs we can lynch socio.

hmm, bobs won't nuke himself, dizzy is probably scum, kitoari is absent. Mina? Nuke bobsnox?

[Jack]

I'm seeing a lot of people all thinking they're right even though their ideas conflict with others and very little reasoning backing up any of it. Surely we aren't going to let this game be random, are we?

Surely not! Dana is here to sort it all out!

[Jack]

AV's jumping on me with the "town cred" thing makes a lot more sense to me now.

[Jack]

bobsnox nuke is awesome.

Pretty sure inhim scum DOES NOT mean fate scum and that this is obvious. Just a sec.

[Jack]

We can discuss who to nuke later. Right now we need to focus on what mislynch we should get, because Fate's wagon might actually be viable and then we can save Rogue's role for someone else.

I screwed up and misinterpreted this as meaning rogue couldn't be inhim. "saving his role for someone else" sounded like it was an investigation or block or something. But if you think about it it can easily be battleship.

"Rogue-Target e with your action. Targeting anyone else either outs you as scum or is needlessly pro-town for no reason. You can say e is playing to his townmeta so you figured he was the easiest town read during your skim."

e is fate, we determined. So rogue is either

snake

, dana, or inhim.

"targeting anyone else either outs you as scum" --> aka, protecting a scumbuddy
"playing to town meta"-->fate, obv
"reading during skim" --> inhim obv

So we have scum telling scum to protect someone who isn't a buddy. So obviously fate isn't a buddy.


WITH THAT SAID

AV IS NOW OBVIOUS SCUM AGAIN

I just got a bit confused with something else.

[Jack]

We can discuss who to nuke later. Right now we need to focus on what mislynch we should get, because Fate's wagon might actually be viable and then we can save Rogue's role for someone else.

Tai Chi, go for the dana one. Rogue join me on the Fate wagon. I think we can make a lot of flips happen if Rogue ever gets lynched connection wise, but lets try to steer far away from his lynch right now.

danakillsu (5) - Faraday, Fate, SpyreX, gandalf5166, Internet Stranger
Faraday (0)
Fate (4) - Toogeloo, chesskid3, danakillsu, Katsuki
gandalf5166 (0)
Internet Stranger (1) - bobsnox
Jack (0)
Jed Cooper (3) - SocioPath, AurorusVox, RedCoyote

2 of them are supposed to go on the fate wagon, and 1 is supposed to go on the dana wagon. The sentence about lots of flips happening is a red herring if inhim is rogue. It sounds though like they are not scumbuddies with fate. Fate's wagon might be viable, aka we can lynch fate and use the battleship on someone else.

Or, alternatively, dana is rogue, and they were telling bobs to vote him. And because of connections they thought they could get other people lynched if dana was lynched, and the wanted him to aircraft carrier fate.

I think that has to be the case just because this has to be katsuki talking. katsuki flipped chinese and inhim flipped russian.

So this is katsuki, dana and bobs's scum qt.

That means inhim could indeed be protecting fate scumbuddy. In that case I wonder about fate/socio/inhim. That would be funny.

WORK IN PROGRESS

[Jack]

nah, socio wouldn't really nuke his own battleship.

I do think inhim would protect a scumbuddy. Maybe not.

unvote, vote:dana

I'm not sure who inhim's scumbuddies would be really. I'll think on it.

[Jack]

Well, we aren't lynching anybody until the nuke hits anyway.

I'm confused right now.

[Jack]

ok. bobsnox is the one who we KNOW is in the taichi/rogue mafia group. So if he flips russian, then inhim is rogue (targetting fate, etc). If he flips chinese, then rogue is dana. I think he will flip chinese.

Conveniently, toog claimed chinese...

I'll hammer, since it's going to happen anyway, but before I do, I should say that I did not take Toog's scumclaim to be serious. But others seem to believe it is, and there's no way I'm convincing a group this dumb that it's not before midnight tomorrow. Well, here goes nothing. unvote vote: Toogeloo

I would be surprised if dana could pick up on a fake scum claim. Although it was pretty obvious.

lol at follow up:

vote: Fate I told you not to lynch Toog, you kept after him anyway, and he eventually just claimed scum because he knew lynching him would be best for us even though he was town. It's time for you to pay up for your "scumhunting" methods.

[Jack]

Then we have to get the 2 russians left. I'm tempted to just ignore wifom there and go after AV, and then dizzy. I think that'll be game.

CHINESE--BOBS, KATS, DANA

RUSSIANS--INHIM, AV, DIZZY

[Jack]

Mina, all the roles have been revealed in the thread, except bobs who hasn't claimed his espeonage role yet.

[Jack]

Oh yes. I was confused about something earlier and forgot to update my list of who had what. You claimed radar in the scumqt too which is nice.

[Jack]

8 seems to be a direct reply to 7.

dana is the aicraft carrier and targetted fate, rogue targetted "e" which is fate. fate needed to be blocked because he was going to nuke dana. so they wanted to lynch fate instead to save the roleblock. There's no similar kind of "need" for doctor on fate who isn't even on the team! And if he was, lynching him wouldn't help.

a dana lynch would lead to lots of connections. an inhim wouldn't.

There's only 2 unclaimed PR's and there were heavy hints given.

[Jack]

i has radar lol

FITS WITH SCUM KNOWING INHIM'S ROLE AND NUKING AS SUCH AND SOCIO+BOBS+KATSUKI TEAM?

YESYEYSYEYSEYES

YAUSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Leak 19
trad maoer iderk mater qruer
radar

lol.

but socio can't be on their team.

[Jack]

I CANT WAIT TO HEAR YOUR RESULTS BOBS.


BWHHAHAHAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

WHY CANT SOCIO BE ON THEIR TEAM??

tai chi is bobs who asked who to vote, and who asked kats to stop bussing him. That leaves rogue who targetted you. The comments fit only with dana.

[Jack]

We can discuss who to nuke later. Right now we need to focus on what mislynch we should get, because Fate's wagon might actually be viable and then we can save Rogue's role for someone else.

Tai Chi, go for the dana one. Rogue join me on the Fate wagon. I think we can make a lot of flips happen if Rogue ever gets lynched connection wise, but lets try to steer far away from his lynch right now.

Sorry, Jack, but this makes no sense if I'm "Rogue". Not only am I already mentioned in this post by name, but they specifically say they want to save Rogue's role for someone OTHER than Fate, who was the ONE PERSON I TARGETED. Nice try, though. You had me worried that the scumteam had pulled off an elaborate frame on me.

Sure it does. They were going to HAVE to use rogue's power on fate if he lived (which does NOT work for anything but carrier) and since he wasn't lynched they did have to use it.

What's your point about being mentioned by name? The wagon was on you, why not say "go for the dana wagon" even though you were the scumbuddy?

I'm glad people have come to more of a consensus. As I already said, I agree that bob is scum, and am happy about the incoming nuke on him. When he flips, I may very well have more important things to say.

You pretty much always kill confirmed scum. They have a vote, and their flip will show players who do not believe that they are scum their alignment.

Then why do you have to wait for the flip to say these more important things?

[Jack]

early comments:
The comments about saving rogues role for someone else
the comments about a lot of connections if rogue is lynched

Later comments:
The comment about easiest town read during skim does seem to point to inhim. But inhim WAS NOT IN THE GAME. He didn't replace in until day 2, after those comments. So that is misdirection. Later comments are obvious misdirection as well:

So C and U are the two people below Rogue on the playerlist, respectively.

If that is the case, I'm still not understanding him right.

That said I think U should be nuked by Vox tonight

First quote is especially silly because no way would they just reveal who rogue is for no particular reason.


So I trust the early comments which seem to be before they thought of misdirection.

[Jack]

@ Jack
That seems like very shaky ground for trying to get other to lynch me. It assumes you're NOT scum, which not everyone is sure of, because if you were scum, you could have posted that yourself. Then you could have just set up that first part to try to get me lynched in the first place. Certain abilities would have told the scum what role I had and they could have used it to their advantage.

Do you think I'm scum?

In addition, does the fact that inhim hadn't replaced in really change anything? If so, how?

The part about "after your skim" implies that it is addressed to someone who has just replaced in. But inhim hadn't replaced in yet. So the conclusion is that this is misdirection.

[Jack]

Not everything in the qt is misdirection.

kats flipped scum, and bobs has confessed. So we can judge what parts are misdirection.

[Jack]

Everyone's role has been revealed.

If I understood how this game worked I would have picked very differently.

[Jack]

prolong:nuke

[Jack]

Not radar. I can explain what I meant by it but it'd be a fullclaim at that point.

I don't get it!!!! There are only 3 unknown roles. I said bob was espeonage, and then I said he was radar. You say you aren't radar. So it's a full claim already!

Nuke: Jack

Kidding, of course.

MODKILL MODKILL MODKILL

Well not really. We can just lynch you.

JACK I FUCKIN LYNCHED YOU FOR THAT LAST TIME WHY ARE YOU CROSSING ME AGAIN

AND LOOK HOW WELL THAT WORKED

[Jack]

It's fine.

[Jack]

Eww.

The "just kidding" and double standard talk makes no sense if that was intended to be a nuke. Sounds more like a tactic to avoid saying anything about why the nuke was launched.

What we know about dana partly depends on bobs flip. Do you understand that part dizzy?

[Jack]

Yes.

unvote, vote:dizzy

[Jack]

dana nuked and made it clear he didn't intend to imply he had a nuke which is obvious what with carrier claim etc. Dizzy nuked and said some stupid stuff but explicitly said that he meant it.

[Jack]

I think mina is town don't see why anyone thinks otherwise.

Spyrex is scum.

chinese--kats, bobs dana
russians--inhim, spyrex, dizzy

I don't know who will go for a spyrex lynch/nuke, but espeonage can investigate him tonight.

[Jack]

What about dizzy's nuke?

(Oops, I thought I had already posted the launch sequence for Dizzy, but I see I missed it. That's been corrected. --AGM)

[Jack]

faaate, what are you talking about? bobs being chinese means that dana is the last chinese. So that scumteam is already being eliminated.

So we should be working on the last two russians, spyrex and dizzy.

[Jack]

Oh, dana.

[Jack]

Fate why are you bothering to ask Spy about his reads? He obviously isn't even paying attention.

[Jack]

Spyrex. 3 scum left. Name your top three suspects and why.

[Jack]

6 scum left:

AurorusVox
bobsnox

chesskid3

danakillsu
DizzyIzzyB13
Faraday
Fate

Jack

Kitoari
Mina

Percy

SocioPath

SpyreX

That I'm pretty confident about now. Of the remainder I dont even know. Mina / Faraday/Dizzy for the last towns?

Yea I just said Mina may be scum but if bobs IS scum then doubtful.

If thats not a joke and it better not be Dizzy just put on the shades.

Now its cruise control for cool time.

Jesus.

Kit is F--. Town.

Kito was out of this game for a full month+, pops up and nukes someone, and youre like "F--- TOWN" no.
NO.

Not nukes. Nukes DANA.

No matter WHAT that flip is the net is good.

DizzyIzzyB13 - Scum. Thought process and elimination would say Chinese but in the case of a dana flip it could go either way.

Where did your dizzy scum read come from?

Russian - inHim, Fate, Dana.

Inhim protects fate, dana blocks fate, fate nukes dana? What exactly??

[Jack]

After his first 6 posts, you put him on a town list with mina and faraday .

His next three posts are the nuking of dana, after which you said:

If thats not a joke and it better not be Dizzy just put on the shades.

Now its cruise control for cool time.

Which sounds positive.

Kit was F--Town partly because:

Not nukes. Nukes DANA.

No matter WHAT that flip is the net is good.

You had a town read on gandalf, but wanted kit to die:

Kit had almost nothing D1 and needs to die post haste.

So why the giant difference?

Also,

Mina may be scum.

Yea I just said Mina may be scum but if bobs IS scum then doubtful.

Mina had nuked bobs, so they probably aren't scumbuddies--makes sense. But she could still be other scum, yes? But if you know that mina isn't on your scumteam than a bobs scumflip did mean she was innocent.

Also,

There is high reward if inHim flips Russian battleship, sure.

I don't feel like rereading or parsing the thread back there, so can you say why you referred to inhim as a Russian battleship specifically?

[Jack]

-I think dana will flip scum. But if he flips scum, he'll be Russian scum, not Chinese, as otherwise there would be no need for scum to make a deal like this one. Since the scum seem to be talking one-on-one, I'd say a dana Russian flip is almost a certainty now.
-Scum got both Eavesdrop and Battleship, ftl.
-Claiming lists to try and figure out who got Eavesdrop will be pointless, so don't bother.

You mean espionage here.

AV has already claimed espionage, and to have used it on me last night. So the qt leak saying "I have espionage and used it on you last night" would mean that the two of us are scum if it was true

Those things just seem to be mafia having fun.

If dana was russian scum, then the only other pr for rogue to have would be espionage, used on fate. But AV gave good evidence that he has espionage and used it on me.

So really to me, dana is chinese and spyrex is russian, with only one open slot left which I am putting as dizzy just because he's the one left. Not entirely happy with that of coures, which reminds me

unvote, vote:SpyreX

[Jack]

Eww, my only issue is the scumpost from qt above really doesn't sound like dana or dizzy or spyrex for that matter.

And I have a sudden strong suspicion that it's really just AV talking to himself.

[Jack]

Dizzy: Be clear. Have you just nuked Dana?

DON'T GET YOURSELF MODKILLED, SCUMBUDDY? or, MAKE SURE THE NUKE GOES THROUGH, SCUMBUDDY?

Very noncommittal on dizzy overall.

That would be HILARIOUS if he is scum and thus Jack is.

But that doesn't make sense.

If you're town, I swear to god...

unvote

[Jack]

Very noncommittal on dizzy overall.

Which is funny given:

Not buying ignorance. This is a desperate attempt to scramble for towncred when Dana flips scum.

Vote: Kitoari

[Jack]

hmm, maybe:

chinese: bobs, kats, dana

Russian: inhim, AV, spyreX

[Jack]

You think dizzy is russian scum, I just posted AV-dizzy quotes, what did you think of them?

[Jack]

dana, fate, dizzy --> your scum list.

Who wrote the scumqt post at the top of the page?

You and AV are pretty much the only ones who tried to pin inhim's flip on fate-scum.

I think knowing InHim's alignment will be useful; if the nuke on Fate fails and inhim flips scum, we know Fate is likely scum. Either we go cautious, recall the nuke, and hope that we can successfully Espionage him.* (Preferably this option. I'll explain why in the alternative...)

...Or we just let him get nuked and risk losing a town-doctor. Now he's outed he's pretty screwed anyway, but letting scum kill him would work out better for us, I think, as there are two scum teams, and both might target him, which lowers the NKs. AND he'd get another protect off. Granted, he could still get roleblocked, but even this forces scum to decide whether to direct their attention at him or not. Espionage will help out in the event of neither scumteam killing him and ease the WIFOMspiral.

*Sociopath would obviously have to agree.

Also, lol at AV trying to get the nuke canceled so he could investigate his buddy.

[Jack]

Yea, I thought it was pretty straight: inHim-town pointed REAL hard at socio being scum. inHim-scum pointed REAL hard at Fate being scum.

I even said as much somewhere?

And dropped at as soon as it became obvious none of the town agreed, lol.

vote:AV

We'll get you tomorrow, although I suppose you'll get one more nuke off.

[Jack]

If Dizzy nukes you and your FailSafe nukes her back, you still die right?

I don't really want to see Chess go at this point, since he seems fully prepared to 1-for-1 trade, which is not scummy. I don't mind lynching Dizzy but we should get her to nuke Dana if Dizzy is going to be our lynch. I don't particularly like that Dana took the Air Craft Carrier, since it looks far more scum suited than town suited. Dana, where on your list was the Carrier placed?

Um.

Oh yes, I remember this post now. Don't think dizzy is scum with AV. However inhim's muted response her is scumbuddy-esque.

[Jack]

@AV--who do you think wrote the scumqt posts? What was the point of your wifom defense? What's your scumlist?

Dizzy is just too out there to be a top suspect.

Also, I'll repeat my regret at taking air base in a game which is basically over after 2 scumkills. Should have gone nuke or eavesdrop.

[Jack]

Pushing for the "kill percy to eat his powers" isn't awesome.

Ohhh and I remembered the logic behind Russian if you care wooo

I do.

[Jack]

The claim to have checked inhim for chinese scum is pretty hilarious coming from russian scum. Your day play doesn't support it and it fits right in with the scum plan I suggested earlier.

[Jack]

My day play was trying to get him not nuked so I could check him again without saying "OHAY GAISE COP HERE."

I fully accept it looks bad.

And the day before?

But tell me where this "clear scum" that I've supposedly investigated is?

I don't know what you mean.

[Jack]

dizzy is at like l-2.

[Jack]

kitoari, hmm. I can see that.

Spyrex could just be playing terribly sloppy.

[Jack]

And the day before?

How would you expect me to act towards him? He wasn't confirmed town or scum.

WHY did you investigate him, instead of someone else?

Also, why does lynching the Espionage help town more than lynching a nuke? Sounds like you don't want to have the scumWIFOM of who's killing Percy and who's killing me in case I get an investigation off on you or your buddy, eh?

[Jack]

Fate, don't you think dana will flip chinese scum? Well we are waiting for that anyway.

[Jack]

Waiting for a dana flip.

Not much else to say regarding my nuke. It was me being a total idiot, and if you're not going to take it there's nothing more I can do to change your mind.

Standing by my previous read list.

Write 100 words about AV.

[Jack]

It's really obvious that AV is the lynch.

I suppose spy and kit are the other two then.

Mina has an interesting post coming up she said.

[Jack]

Fate's nuke makes him scum:

1) I'm american and will flip as such. 3 days wait is not long.
2) The leaks which were reliable guides to bobs and kats as chinese scum pick out Rogue as having a usable PR, which I do not.
3) He has the opinion that people like kitoari and chesskid are dumb and bad at mafia, but does not consider it possible that they wouldn't kill AV.
4) Not killing av is a perfectly decent move for scum.
5) chesskid doesn't need to die unless you're scum desperately trying to knock off all the townies
6) nukes can go out one by one unless [see 5]
7) If mina is confirmed town, it's obvious she should hold her nuke, and the less trustworthy people should nuke the scummy people.

AV is still scum.

Who the last one is is bugging me now. But,

1) wait for me to die
2) scummy person nuke AV
3) other scummy person nuke Fate

Sets us on the path to success.

[Jack]

Don't need to argue. I expected to be nuked by scum at some point today. I will flip town.

[Jack]

Only explanation is if he and Faraday are scumbuddies (which is why he'd want Faraday to be last to nuke)...but that only works if AurorusVox is Chinese.

That was my initial thought when I saw that endgame scenario. I'd be interested to see your problems with faraday.

AV as chinese works, surely? Rogue was supposed to have an active role.

[Jack]

I can't read this without being paranoid about bussing. That terrible quickhammer yesterday too.

Fate, my obvious town-ness is off the charts. And you've played with scum me.

[Jack]

We should wait for fates flip before posting anything. Because I think he will flip russian, which knocks out a faraday/av team. I'm still leaning AV as chinese and can't decide between spy and faraday for russian.

[Jack]

Basically just ignore them and chill for three days.

[Jack]

It's probably just fate, Kit, and AV.

[Jack]

I actually am chinese scum fate.

YOU BLEW YOUR CHANCE AT GLORY

[Jack]

No nukings until fate's flip...

I like sharks posts so far.

With the abort, I'd think fate is chinese mafia (I refuse to believe you're town with that nuke to start).

That would make spyrex and AV the russian scum.

[Jack]

Ohhh yeah, the katsuki nuke.

[Jack]

Well, I don't know why you would abort as russian scum, but I can't see you nuking me as town.

[Jack]

One of sharkfinns recent posts is terrible rereading it. "if fate flips russian, mina is scum" buzzawah?

[Jack]

WHY? WHY THE RECALL?

I was 100% on fate scum, and the abort had me with these goofy chinese-fate scum theories.

He has to have thought it would benefit his partner in some way.

Anyway, next up: figuring out who nukes AV.

Also, AWESOME <--SpyreX

[Jack]

About mina I have the regular healthy "but no one suspects her, it's always who you least suspect!". And my apparent trust for her could be a reason to let her live. But that can sit until AV has died and we've gone and looked at everyone else.

[Jack]

FYI: if Fate flips Soviet, Im still not sure that automatically means Mina is Soviet buddy. just my opinion.

Mina-replaced into a game and every single post is filled to the brim with stuff. Im getting town vibes here.
Fate-but he’s dying soon, but i bet you he flips American. If Russian, suspect Mina.
AurorusVox-What are you exactly? You have a guilty on Fate?(pending, but apparently is mega scummy)

Actually, rethinking, if Fate is Russian, then Mina scum partner and Faraday Chinese??? Maybe that works?


Btw, atm, I'd use my nuke on Faraday.

Its a possiblility. I mentioned earlier that I would suspect her at the very least if Fate is Russian, BUT mina's posts are pro-town atm imo, so I dont think I would nuke her.

Explain this to me shark, I don't understand any of it. What's the connection between mina and fate?

[Jack]

I don't find faraday scummy, and his ISO 39 is just what I was thinking, and at that point I thought fate was town. Not as natural a reaction if you know your buddy fate is scum.

[Jack]

I don't at all understand your concern about mina having a nuke in defensive mode. Offensive seems just as useful and she said in bold caps yesterday that defensive was a scum claim.

I'm comfortable with mina as town.

[Jack]

Reading Kit's ISO is very strong on fate scumbuddy...

[Jack]

The great attempted read list:

AurorusVox - Good stuff during D5, hasn't posted much D4.
Baby Spice - Town!
bobsnox - ... Who? He has 5 posts back from RFVS. Mod, can has prods?
bunnylover - Slight scum, 8 posts.
chesskid3 - chesskid is chesskid, aka attempting to annoy people for his own amusement. Can't be sure of his alignment.
danakillsu - Scum per Fate.
Faraday - Slight town.
Fate - Manufactured in Obvtownville.
gandalf5166 - Null. Gut's scum, but his posts are townish. Le sigh.
Internet Stranger - Trying WAAAY too hard to look town. It may or may not be genuine.
Jack - Null.
Jed Cooper - "WOE IS ME" scum.
Katsuki - Null, like the fact he came in with a read list.
Kitoari - Town, of course!
Percy - V/LA, move along.
RedCoyote - Town! (But I was wrong the last time I played with him.)
SocioPath - Null
SpyreX - Town if Jed is scum.
Toogeloo - Null.
VasudeVa - Null.

I really can not see what PANDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA* is trying to do other than piss off fate at this point.
Percy upgraded to "Town!". I may not agree with everything he said but I do think he's town.
Gandalf5166 downgraded to slight scum. I missed the blatant AtE earlier (thanks, Percy!)

*Yes.

Fate and Dana are playing to their Fate/Dana meta, respectively.

Surprising no one.

Are you guys serious? Look at what just happened! We put some pressure on Fate for his ridiculous "scumhunting" and what does he do? HE SWITCHES HIS VOTE! And people follow him again for some reason. This is exactly what a pressure wagon hopes to accomplish, and most of you are missing it. Fate is confirmed scum in my book.

PANDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA has been aggravating Fate since Defcon 5, and I think he was trying to engineer that on purpose. Personally I think Fate just snapped and PANDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA is gonna try to make himself look like "oh poor me I call out fate and he tunnels me. i are sad panda" even though that's at the best a half-truth.

Well I think everyone knows where I stand in this confrontation, so it's pretty much just a matter of waiting to see just how many people are blind enough to vote for Toogeloo instead of Fate.

I have two options:
- Vote for the person who's been intentionally aggravating a player all game to set up a lynch.
OR
- Vote for a player who ended up getting aggravated because of the first player and because of that I can't get a read on him.

Also if both SpyreX and Fate are mafia I will eat a thousand hats.

Skimming today, it was mostly Fate catching bunnylover which I am inclined to agree with him. Chesskid wagon died, which I think is good for now. Small counterwagon formed on Fate, which seemed more like a "We don't like you" wagon than an actual scumread driven one.

Fate puts me on a need to die list.

Yeah, it's obvious no one is going to believe me. I highly doubt that if I were watching someone else pull shit like this I would either.

FINAL READS LIST BEFORE I DIE DUE TO MY STUPIDITY:
AurorusVox
Word twisting. Dana fakenukes, I was implying izzy did the same thing (which I found out shortly afterwards was

not

the case.)

Not sure I like, but I've been reading him as town otherwise.

bobsnox
He's getting nuked, I think? I remember not liking him a while ago.

chesskid3
Leaning town. He has failsafe though, which bugs me.

danakillsu
Scum, probably.

DizzyIzzyB13
Def. Scum. Saying it was a fakenuke and then JUST KIDDING IT'S FOR REALS doesn't sit well with me.

Faraday
I remember having a read on him but I seem to have lost it.

Fate
My opinion of fate is going to be based mostly on how dana flips, but considering in all likelihood I'm not going to be AROUND when dana flips, null.

Jack
Leaning scum.

Kitoari
Stupid town.

Mina
Her reaction to me seems genuine. Town.

Percy
Town per leaks above me and eavesdrop.

SocioPath
Leaning town.

SpyreX
Leaning town.

So taking my scum reads and nulls to fill in the gaps, MY FINALSCUMLIST IS:
dizzy (Just because dana fakenuked doesn't mean you can claim to fakenuke and it turns out to be real.)
dana (Why would I have nuked him otherwise?)
Jack (interactions with bobsnox earlier seal the deal)
And finally I have three null, Fate/Faraday/bobsnox

This has probably been brought up already BUT:

inHimshallibe VasudeVa (Russian, Battleship) - Nuked Day 3

Fate was protected by a battleship.

Not sure I like this..

Mina says:

Fate's quickhammer made me paranoid, but I'm still leaning town on him.

Mina is making sense. The dizzy quickhammer looks really bad, especially after fate had been tunneling me so hard.

First set of quotes:

Fate is town, fate is town, following fates lead.

Second set:

His read is now based on how dana will flip, he thinks dana is scum, but fate is null anyway...

"Not sure I like this..." about the inhim/fate combo.

He has dizzy on his scumlist, and Mina said she was still leaning town on fate so the last quote is weird. Sounds like he knows dizzy is town.

[Jack]

I'll sleep on it, but I think we're going to end up having shark/kit nuke AV. We'll see though.

[Jack]

He could easily have gotten confused about the nuke, thinking it was fake, and then seeing all of fates posts in the qt yelling at him to nuke dana he did it, resulting in:

KITOARI WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING?

Remember what just happened over at coney island

yeah I haven't exactly been competent as of late

[Jack]

@Mina: nuking your partner and then aborting seems like a bad strategy. Fate was very aggressive on kit but fate can buss very hard as scum. And he hammered dizzy after a couple of pages of it.

Sharkfinn is obviously fate's buddy, what with the random references to fate as russian scum. Why russian??

And that was supposed to make mina a scumbuddy, but now she's one of the people he's waiting to give the ok.

[Jack]

OH GOOD LORD

This is what I get for sleeping on things.

SpyreX, I cracked the letter code right after percy posted the leaks (most of it anyway)

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p2709780

The shift one letter thing doesn't work. We know it was bobs and katsuki in there, and that C was IS, etc.

There's a fair amount of misdirection in there as well so most of the later stuff isn't that useful.

AV's latest posts are hilarious.


Also, theorizing, AV implied he had a guilty on fate, right? And the leaked messages yesterday said that espionage had a guilty on fate, and proposed a deal which was carried out, scum choosing to cooperate instead. And then Fate tried to pin the fact that AV lived on me.

[Jack]

MINA, DON'T LAUNCH




SHARKFINN, NUKE AV

[Jack]

Thats right thats what you get.

I didn't like the ABC code because it fell apart down the road with what we've seen.

I don't think it did, we just never figured out the >t letters, especially since we didn't have a reference point. And there is a bunch of later stuff that is obvious misdirection using the letters.

[Jack]

Well, hopefully this happens:

1) sharkfinn nukes AV
2) we wait till AV dies
3) faraday nukes sharkfinn
4) we wait until sharkfinn dies

And the game should be over. If not, you'll still have a nuke.

[Jack]

For me to be scum FYPOV I have to be Russian. Or do you admit that those leaks COULD BE misinformation LIKE I'VE BEEN SAYING all along?

^That had quite a bit of info in it, makes me think its not a misdirection. The only power that makes sense to use on someone who you have a town meta on is Battleship. It'd be a wickedawesome frame if its not legit. But yeah I doubt its misdirection. With this, I think SP's nuke will hit scum. And then I'm just waiting for the nuke to land at your feet and see what happens from there.

[Jack]

Arrg, and sometimes Shark sounds innocent.

Let's just wait for the AV flip before any more nukes.

Patience is a virtue.

[Jack]

lol, AV knows how to go down well.

[Jack]

Sigh, does anyone have mina scum-meta?

[Jack]

me

Link?

[Jack]

[NORAD SYSTEM] Missile tracked to facility XR-752 currently commanded by SharkFinn.
[NORAD SYSTEM] Analyzing flight trajectory…
[NORAD SYSTEM] Missile is currently targeting coordinates registered to AurorusVox.

Hallelujah.

But I admit I'm stumped on the last scum.

I suppose we can ignore shark's intermittent townieness and think back to kit's play (once this nuke lands obv).

[Jack]

I WAITED SO LONG FOR THAT YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Now that we are looking for the last chinese we can eliminate faraday.

But, lol at my "kit and fate connections" case.

Spyrex is not fates buddy was my read on him, but now we have to relook at that because the chinese scum isn't fate's buddy...

Mina's nuke of bobsnox, eh he was going to die but it still seemed pretty good to me.

Will think about it.

[Jack]

Someone nuke shark?

Is that the right next move?

No. Right now I think you getting nuked is best.

I remember this gem now:

GOD WHAT HAPPENED IN HERE

Jesus thats a pair of bad nukes. Real bad.

And nuking fate when he can't retaliate? BAD FORM.

COWARDLY FORM.

Yes, bad and cowardly being nice adjectives to describe scummy.

Although Socio STILL makes me feel town and thus just scummy town (not to be confused with Kat who might as well have just claimed)

Kat needs to be 3 craters for trying to turn THAT into Fate being scum.

Which really looks like you manufacturing a scumread on kat when you realized people knew he was scum.

[Jack]

Actually I'm thinking mina is the chinese scum now.

[Jack]

Well if you think about it, she replaced in when kats was already down. Then bobs got outed by percy and me, and was pretty obvscum anyway. So since then she's just been like a townie going after the russian scum.

The scum chat yesterday sounds like fate team (caps) vs...thought it was AV, but mina is the only other person with that writing style. And then fate's plan involves her as obv town today.

Her first post is pretty bad.

She does a weird thing in here nuking bobsnox post where she emphasizes that she nuked him before reading all the analysis of the leaks.

Some of the stuff she says post leak sounds like she knew stuff she shouldn't.


P-edit:

@far: I asked Mina to nuke bobs in the thread.

[Jack]

I don't want to read that again, so, can you guys tell me what on earth you are talking about?

chesskid3
Faraday
Jack
Mina
SharkFinn
SpyreX

I get lynched
scum kill faraday

chesskid
mina
shark
spyrex

left over???? aka, the 4 scummiest people? Who is this mysterious "townpick"?

[Jack]

I'm not willing to gamble anything on chesskid.

Mina nukes chess, wait for game over, if not, faraday nukes spyrex/shark depending on who he finds scummier. That leaves us with a lynch in 3p, with me and faraday still alive.

[Jack]

We should probably just off shark. The faraday vote I was thinking was town but the attempt at caps was bad. But nuking seems better than lynching.

I think it has to be faraday that nukes him, because that leaves it open for the mina nukes chesskid if shark doesn't flip scum. And then jack and faraday lynch spy.

[Jack]

Thats if we want to end it today.

No reason to - you can't be killed tonight and tomorrow is a guaranteed Jack-faction win.

All doing it today AS MUCH AS I LIKE FAST does is open a shot for faraday scum to win.

If we lynched shark and someone other than faraday was killed would you want to lynch faraday?

[Jack]

Yeah, now I don't think shark is scum either. Some crazy back and forth on that.

[Jack]

Well at the moment, we can have either you nuke spyrex, or mina nukes chesskid. And if we have to do both and the game isn't over, it's you me and shark in endgame which I am perfectly comfortable with.

Mina is the most probable scum I think, but we have to have her nuke chesskid to keep our options open.

[Jack]

@mina: it's obvious from context cues, e.g. them talking about the votecount, bussing, who to kill.

But it seems pretty clear that you're scum anyway, soooo.

[Jack]

I think we should just lynch mina.

vote:Mina

[Jack]

Excellent.

I take back what I said about air base being crappy.

Reading the dead thread, the toog lynch was horrrrrible.

!@#$%^%%& at both scum teams using a similar looking letter code, extremely confusing.

[Jack]

Also, everything about this game was awesome Alm.

[Jack]

Mod: Selection.
Battleship
Radar
Silo

I don't know if I ever posted it, but several times I started a post about how town-baby-spice shouldn't have ended up with silo based on her early game posts, since so many scum were going to put it 1st-4th position. Damn.

[Jack]

You should have nuked him ASAP.