Stars Aligned III - The Tenth Day

[Benmage]

The brave man inattentive to his duty, is worth little more to his country than the coward who deserts in the hour of danger.

[Benmage]

No man is more than another unless he does more than another.

[Benmage]

The coward calls the brave man rash, the rash man calls him a coward.

[Benmage]

People who quote instead of scum hunt piss me me off -

- Seacore, 2010

Benmage in particular, I'd like to see some scum reads please.

Yawn.....just pretend I paraphrased someone else's ideas...but be sure to note some added spiffy-ness.

Hell, who are your scum reads?

[Benmage]

Sea, breathe. I'm working on it.

[Benmage]

[Benmage]

Benmage will not rob two graves. However I'd be happy with him gaining extra insanities to make it harder for him to go murderer.

This is correct. I am robbing one grave, because I am also killing tonight. And I'd like to rob Fate. Although I'll rob whomever.

[Benmage]

Well yeah, if I don't have to Rob thats all good. But If I do, I will only do it once, and I'd like to rob Fate. (Although thats not an absolute)

[Benmage]

^ Is he really gonna read the whole thread.

[Benmage]

I'm confused....why does Fate having an insanity make people more eager to dispatch him? It makes me believe him to have been an investigator who lied, and sought to become a murderer.

[Benmage]

It's not proven, just pretty likely. It's possible the cult no killed, but I doubt it in a game this large on the first night. He's like 99% town.

What if cult never killed...and just sought to out play the town. They could do all town-like night actions, and pass fetishes to cause in sanities and never come up bloody or have to lie about night actions, meanwhile looking quite townie and causing mislynches..... HRmmmmm

[Benmage]

But them getting bloody and insanities is how we catch them and lying about night actions is how we catch them...no?

[Benmage]

Last words if Night goes ZOOM:

Another Ward on myself

would be much appreciated!

I'm killing tonight. And then laundering tomorrow night....So if there's any personal doubts on me, go get an investigator kit tonight and check me for blood tomorrow night.

I'm grave robbing Fate.

[Benmage]

Getting the kit tonight, and using it on me tomorrow night, after I kill tonight (ie N3)...would show me as not bloody, since launder actions goes before invest, proving I laundered, proving I have no interest in going murderer.

[Benmage]

Dying to the murderer never crossed my mind, its being cult immuned that I was after.

[Benmage]

Mod: As currently written, players with 9 insanities may murder 2 players in one night. Is this intentional, or is the intent just to give insane Murders twice the flexibility with regard to kill targets?

You'd have to be a murder before being a serial killer. The lack of a second kill by me nullifies the worry of my insanity build up.

[Benmage]

Another Ward on myself

would be much appreciated!

I'll consider it, like I said earlier.

Well I'd be grateful, but others are capable too.

[Benmage]

Ice, stalking and murdering occur on different nights. You must already be a murder...ie. 2 kills before you can use the serial killer aspect of double stalking.

So yes I'm town, not going murderer.

And I didn't hear noise N0 and heard noise last night after Andrius warded me. Sooo I should still be fetish free. Therefore another Ward tonight, by anyone, would keep me fetish free/cult immune.

[Benmage]

I believe you are mistaken wicked. Pyschopathy can't be chosen. It is attained automatically as the insanity for your 2nd murder....but feel free to mod confirm.

[Benmage]

I think they should launder, so A is my pick as well. Plus I like the 4 town representatives in A.

[Benmage]

Question...from phone, but still. Necrophilia would be a no no for me. That seems fine for tonight, but if I am to grave rob in the future it might be a needed pick....can't choose taboo without gear, correct?

[Benmage]

Mmmm never mind

[Benmage]

There's that many players known to not have fetishes.....

[Benmage]

Zero. I was just baffled that that many people did not hear noise n1, nor n2, or were warded...Guess I haven't been following that close enough.

[Benmage]

I'd rather E L G grave rob.

[Benmage]

*twitches*

CD3

Username:

Benmage

Did you Hear Noise?

It didn't say no, like N0, nor did it say yes like N1...so assuming No. Hoooorah!

Did you Ward? If so, who?

Hell no

Did you gain Insanities, and if so, which ones and from what actions?

Taboo, Twitchy. Robgraving Fate. Attempting to Kill Obv-cult SpyreX

List all of the insanities you currently have:

Obsession, Suicidal, Twitchy, Taboo

Did you

successfully

resuscitate? If so, who?

No

Were you murdered?

No

Did you Commune or Investigate? If so, who, and what result? (Note that these are both poor N1 choices.)

No

Twitch?

*twitches*

Yes, I am Bloody. I owe an apology towards Fate. I got occult books last night and used Taboo on them.

vote SpyreX

[Benmage]

First of all, why did MoI, investigator, have 2 insanties? Was he going murderer?

Same question about why LB and Fate had insanities. But with Fate I can confirm he got occult books, and yet still had an insanity....O.o

I differ with Feysal and say we can't rule out our murderer wannabe/soontobe.

[Benmage]

If they did, that means they might have gotten corpse dust N1. If they got it N2 they wouldn't have been able to use Greater Ritual.

Wait...there was noone to grave robe N1 to get dust.

It must've been murder and ritual?

[Benmage]

Yes, I failed to protect. No, I am not bloody. I also didn't get an Insanity.

Oh, so someone rezzed you.

Let's find out who(m)

[Benmage]

Notes: If more killing actions target the player than there are players Resuscitating them, then the kill is not prevented, though you still become Bloody when the killing action resolves.

Though THAT part does appear to be a mod error.

Why is it implied that someone rezzed me?

Because you weren't bloody.

Actually, I think the problem is that Furpants Tom used a rezz kit and couldn't be protected....right?

No, wouldn't that only mean Tom's rez failed, but the rezz on him would've worked?

Ben, they can do the Greater Ritual without any dust as long as at least 2/3'rds do it.

Got ya. Seems illogical, but okay.

Also, Fate's insanity is probably because he was passed a fetish of himself. Don't know why the cult would waste an action on that, but I'm fairly sure it's the only way he could have gotten it.

Again, illogical. A soulles person? But okay.

[Benmage]

Nvm, i got it.

[Benmage]

Wicked also had a insanity infraction if what he says is truth.

[Benmage]

First of all, why did MoI, investigator, have 2 insanties? Was he going murderer?

Same question about why LB and Fate had insanities. But with Fate I can confirm he got occult books, and yet still had an insanity....O.o

I differ with Feysal and say we can't rule out our murderer wannabe/soontobe.

I don't know if I'm missing something, but how could Fate have an insanity and have searched for occult books? Is it possible for cult to pass fetishes on night 0 or something?

It's Mind Bottling, I know.

They could've passed him a fetish the night he was made soulless...Although I fail to see the reason to do this.

[Benmage]

Wickedestjr

without naming what. Did you get anything from LB's corpse?

[Benmage]

It has to be that he Stalked someone N0 intending to go Murderer. Not very mysterious.

Hmmm... True.

[Benmage]

17 v 7
i can't believe they were all investigators

Well, we (I) just caught one, and his name is SpyreX. Vote accordingly.

[Benmage]

Ben, why exactly is Spy cult?

He didn't die last night.

[Benmage]

And? Spy would have been on my rez-list if I had a kit. That argument only really works for someone that has zero chance of being rezzed by a townie. Unless I'm missing something...?

He would've been on your rez list? Or had you had a kit you would've rezzed him?

And why him?

[Benmage]

Noone here has the bad feeling ElG is the easiest mislynch fodder?

I'm by no means excusing the atrocious behavior/play. But I think its to easy, and could be dealt with...even tomorrow.

Spy should die.

But you know what. It'll be good to hear who rezzed him and why. 2 cult for the price of 1 sounds a-o-k to me.

[Benmage]

Furc claimed to have warded Ice.

You could've been recrafted or stalked by Xvart.

[Benmage]

But now you can't ward me tonight! *sad panda*

[Benmage]

But now you can't ward me tonight! *sad panda*

You are going Murderer, so I can't protect you past like, D4. You do realize that, yes?

Oh right ...you shoulda got an invest kit...so when I launder tonight.....

[Benmage]

I'll go confirm. But N0 it said nothing. N1 said yes to noise. and N2 nothing again.

Let me go confirm.

[Benmage]

OR, get this, Benmage is, like he's always been, going for murderer and making stuff up.

What am I making up? I'm bloody. You're bloody. I tried to kill you. I'm going to launder tonight. When Am I gonna be murderer? D20?

Noone is claiming rezz on you.

Why has SpyreX not be strung up yet?

Yo Benmage - you never answered why you specifically wanted to rob Fate's grave.

xvart.

Pretty sure I did. Pretty sure I wanted to see if he had cult books. But I never made it mandatory for me to do so. Just that if possible I would've liked to. I didn't think it a major, because if the night actions went correctly, noone would've gotten gear.

Benmage. Since we're still waiting for all the claims, why did you suspect Spyre of being a cultist?

Do I have to? It's obvious I'm town playing towards the town WC. But his play didn't resemble town SpyreX. Moreover he wanted me dead. Plus all D1 despite ignoring me when I said I was killing Fate no questions he asked, he never bothered with me until the very end where there appeared some support to kill me. And he called for my death despite thinking me town. But again, his play really doesn't remind me of the strong town SpyreX i know... I don't feel like he's sunk his teeth into this game to get town to do the rights things. I think hes coating a bit too much.

I've had a brief readthrough,
El G should probably not be the lynch today. Instead, we should commission somebody to murder them. All three should be absolutely ashamed of their play, but I think they're less likely scum at this point.

I concur.

We should nominate a nonlikely murder, likely cult to do the job.

Actually, Spyrex, fair call. Put me on board with the El G lynch. I just can't shake this feeling that they aren't scum, just a three headed village idiot.
One who's parents are siblings.

But logically, you're right, we shouldn't give them a walk for this.
Give me a day or two, (life days, not game days) I'll vote for them when I get back home.

Uhm... SpyreX is a way better lynch. Plus we can confirm someone and get em killed with the murder plan.

Yes. I remember. My blood lust overcame me. But now I'm in a pickle after all the investigator flips because I don't think it is the town's best interest for me to kill my target.

I really hate this frankly. It's the perfect cult claim for gaining an insanity. "I stalked, but now I've come to my senses and won't be killing tonight. Sorry about the mess up guys." Perfect way to hide the ritual.

This resonates with me.

El G should probably not be the lynch today. Instead, we should commission somebody to murder them. All three should be absolutely ashamed of their play, but I think they're less likely scum at this point.

Depending on what happens with Spyrex here, El G definitely should be the lynch today. Publically declaring they should be murdered is not going to work for a number of reasons. 1) you need to assign a murderer to them, which the cult can just kill. If you don't do this, you'll either have no one stalking or you'll have multiple targets stalking. 2) The cult can just ward El G to prevent the stalk tonight 3) The cult can just rezz El G even if they do let the stalk go through.

So you're talking like two nights of actions wasted and a number of insanities gained just so we can be in the same spot in a few days regarding El G and have to lynch them anyhow. I don't know if they are cult either really, but you don't get to blow your night actions two nights in a row and go 'whoopsee daisy, Is insane now!'

Grrrrrr, logic! VPB is right.

Also, you're missing the point on suicidal. If you really are a townie, you make LYLO happen a day earlier because the scum can daytalk gang-up and all vote you at once.

I think that having a nearly confirmed townie in the game until the end is a much greater benefit than what could POTENTIALLY bring the town to LyLo a day earlier. Potentially, because if we were in MyLo and not LyLo, this wouldn't be a problem.

Yeah but there are several insanities that don't really affect your ability to play this game. I fubar'd and got suicidal prior to the forbidden list. I don't like, nor advocate others getting it.

@VP: It'll be bad in the future, if cult start outnumbering townies, but not right now. Why would we ever be voting our only really confirmed townie?

/kills self

What VPB you think it'll be good if cult start outnumbering townies??

Well, Benmage, too, maybe, but I meant how ElG used Investigate even though it was a useless decision.

Me too what?

Furc, please stop with the VP hate. VP's been doing a shitload to get the town together. If he's scum, he's playing the long game, "be so helpful no one believes I'm scum", and that's looking increasingly less likely.

Yeah VPB is one of the better town reads.

Killing Furcolow off before we get too near lylo is a definate pro-town move.

He's randomness in action thought and voting, and his tendency to knee jerk vote whoever even looks at him funny is a detriment to the town in the long run.

Couldn't agree more. I fear he could be whimsical enough to even vote someone like VPB. But he’s been pretty townish, and it would be way too irresponsible for us to be voting him today.

[Benmage]

Noise check is correct.

N0-none
N1-yes (andrius ward)
N2-none

[Benmage]

OHH NO WIFOM SHUT UP.

Come to grips and get on ElG.

Spy, I love you buddy. You just got the wrong role PM this game.

But, the biggest one, the BIGGEST one is the fact you're rolling with I'm not town enough over 'I cowered'.

Absolutely. What cult comes out and says "I cowered"...Its a WIFOM sandwhich sure...but what is he aiming at a Day or 2 max to live by, whereas there really was no immediate threat on his life.

Nope.

This is the easy mislynch. This is the wagon protecting the scum buddy SpyreX.

Hate to say it but Ben, I hate meta cases like that. It's not like argueing about what constitutes a scum tell or if something is a scumtell or not, but somethng that seems personal to you. Which means it's a trust issue. After FateHate I can't do that.

^Cult buddy.

We're waiting on Spyrex until tomorrow at least. His wagon smells so counter-wagon it hurts. Scum would have known Spy was stalked (every other noise is claimed in-thread or cult I believe) and ElG's 'cower' could have been a deliberate plan, which means scum would have anticipated needing a counter-wagon today. Now if ElG flips TOWN then full steam ahead on Spywagon2010 (unless Nico claims the rez obviously.)

!!!!Omg simple answer = right. ELG is the counter wagon it hurts!

Why isn't Spy's rezzer comming forward? Why would Cult not let a kill go through on a Townie? Why would a cult ever claim "cower"....way easier to lie in any scenario.

ELG is the horrible potent counter wagon that is burning my nostrils.

[Benmage]

We're not playing the "too scummy to be scum" game. No, no, no.

No. We're doing the lynched the confirmed scum. Not policy lynch the Village Idiot.

Here is how the game works. If we don't lynch ElG today, ElG's not getting lynched. That's just how it happens. There will always be new scumtells and new cases and ElG will just sit in the back continuing to do fuck all.

Bullshit. Total pessimistic, AtE. El G can definitely be lynched tomorrow. Moreover we can try and have him do some sort of forced town move tonight. Like Warding.

However we can't make SpyreX do anything because there is 0 chance he ins't cult.

In what strange world is not lynching confirmed cult over massive VI a good idea?

You see how quickly and the type of people, and the willingness to vote El G and you're gonna sit there and them me the SpyreX wagon is the scum led counter one...WOW.

If the gambit fails, scum only lose ElG which isn't exactly a terrible loss, but if they win, they WIN. I'm not playing. I don't leave WIFOM daggers pointed at my back.

Lol no. Noone. AGAIN. NO ONE. Is saying not to kill El G today and therefore never kill him. No ONE is saying that. That is some absurd fabrication you have created. Everyone is saying they want him gone.

Today is just logically a worse move to make.

I'm especially unhappy with multiple people calling Spy "confirmed cult" or the ilk before all the CD3's rolled in - strikes me as scum who were just

so eager

to put their plan into motion. Costs a rez kit, sure, but gets a townie lynched and gets ElG pusedoconfirmed on the big lie/sunk costs trick.

Malarkey. You're talking about some farfetched plan thats heavily complicated with little reward. I'm going for the easier answer. If anything you may have eager scum looking to bus for town cred. Thats about it.

Vote: El Goosuki.

Great wagon you got there hito

[Benmage]

I am very frustrated and surprised at hito's play today.

He was one of my better town reads.

Maybe Fate was onto something (need to relook).

[Benmage]

SpyreX: warrants a longer paragraph because I'm a bit confused. I did not like the non-claimed Rez, until Furpants rez was mentioned. Hmm.

Let me see though. Icerint claimed to have been notified of the failure.

But, in the Res action info in the OP...
"Any Resuscitate action targeting you tonight will fail, and

the player who targeted you will

not be

notified of the failure.

"

Hrmmmm

The wording in my PM specifically indicates that I was not able to prevent FT from passing on. In other words, the fact that he did not survive is implicit in the wording of the PM itself. I doubt it was a mod error, though that would be lovely.

I am assuming Greater Ritual. Murder target is also a possibility, but much less likely.

From the original post:“Effect: You protect your target against one of either Murder or The Ritual.”
Doesn’t say Greater Ritual. Therefore the only way for Iecerint to have received that message from the mod would be if Greater Ritual occurred.

Which itself doesn’t necessarily rule out Fur using the rez kit, but****** It certainly rules out the excuse that Fur used a rez kit and that’s why he died.

[Benmage]

I was still processing. I looked at FurTom's iso and SpyreX's.

It appears as if Fur only asks Spy 1 question--what he thinks of xvart.

Spy never answers this, and barely contributes for the remainder or the day. Meanwhile Fur is very active for the remainder of the day.

I find it incredibly unlikely that Tom rezzed SpyreX, and I repeat again I would much rather lynch him who is much more likely to flip cult.

[Benmage]

I vote Let xvart go through with the kill.

[Benmage]

If El G isn't bloody....then he didn't participate in the ritual, and this cower isnt a fakeclaim but this lynch is a huge policy lynch/mislynch.

[Benmage]

Did we want me to rob grave one of them? Or am I excused from tonight?

[Benmage]

If El G isn't bloody....then he didn't participate in the ritual, and this cower isnt a fakeclaim but this lynch is a huge policy lynch/mislynch.

What? Scum only need one person a day to do the ritual. Even a Greater Ritual doesn't take

everyone

.

So what was the purpose of cult claiming they performed "cower" last night again?

[Benmage]

If El G isn't bloody....then he didn't participate in the ritual, and this cower isnt a fakeclaim but this lynch is a huge policy lynch/mislynch.

This is a very valid point. What other insanity would they be covering up? Crafting three fetishes?

xvart.

*headdesk**headdesk**headdesk**headdesk*

This is such a bad lynch. The way it was so easily strung up = obv mislynch

I can't wait till tomorrow with 7 dead investigators and 0 dead cult. (sarcasm)

You know who wished they went murder. Me.

This is so fucking dumb.

We're going with caskets of wine and tall tale to lynch El G....which magically was instantly accepted by many.

Over SpyreX obv cult....Oh wait, the dead guy must've saved him....omfg.

Whose willing to proxy their vote to me if El G flips investigator and SpyreX flips cult. Because I'll proxy my vote to anyone else if it flips the reverse.

[Benmage]

Actually, investigating resolves before the ritual.

Investigating only finds blood from the previous night's actions, and only on those who haven't laundered yet.

So El G could have performed the ritual and I still wouldn't have found any blood, assuming they were clean the night before, or they laundered and ritualled, given that ritual is a free action.

Wait...cult can ritual and launder every night and never be found bloody....

[Benmage]

You want to talk about magic, how about ElG's (and anothers!) precognizance halfway through the CD3's that Spy would have no claimed rezzer and be "confirmed cult"?

And Seacore has it right, we absolutely need to hold night actions accountable.

Yeah I was one of them...Whatup, but fine. What Sea says is right about upholding the grave robbers.

I'll hammer when ready.

[Benmage]

I like it. I'd rather not rob grave myself...excess insanities.

I like Seacore on Tom with SpyreX.

I am bloody. I am going to launder. It is pretty much accepted I killed/attempted a kill last night. An investigate on me would show I did launder tonight..... Murder WC requires 3 SUCCESSFUL kills...who still thinks I am going that path??

I am a good Wardee.

[Benmage]

Benmage... it'll take longer for him... a day longer IIRC

You do realize that the murderer WC is 3 successful murders...I have 0. I already said I am laundering tonight and desire to be investigated.

Meaning D10, D9 if I don't launder tonight would be the earliest I could be murderer and win. So the D5 estimate is way off....If anyone believes I am going for the D10/9 impossible win......

[Benmage]

if i'm a bad player, make suggestions.

Stop playing?

2nd.

[Benmage]

twitch

CD4

Username:

Benmage

Did you Hear Noise?

Yes, if I wasn't warded you fail.

Did you Ward? If so, who?

No

Did you gain Insanities, and if so, which ones and from what actions?

No

List all of the insanities you currently have:

obsession suicidal twitchy taboo

Did you

successfully

resuscitate? If so, who?

no

Were you murdered?

no

Did you Commune or Investigate? If so, who, and what result?

no

Are you bloody?

Not any more

Twitch?

twitch

I laundered last night. I really dislike the Furc kill.

[Benmage]

So cult warded EL G?

Can we kill 1 cult this game? Please...I know being swept would be hilarious, but I'd be on the wrong side of the joke.

vote SpyreX

[Benmage]

For anyone who doesn't think SpyreX is cult.. and thinks FurTop saved him is logical reasoning why he isn't cult. You sir(mam) are a fool.

Like I said Furs and Spys interaction was minimal at best. No way Fur rezzed him, that stretch is ridiculous. Whats more logical is SpyreX was ressed. By a cult buddy. Why wasn't LB or Furc saved? Because they're investigators. Thats the difference.

I swear this game. 1 cult. Thats it. And I'll say my part was a success. 1 town for 1 cult. The rest of you can run around headless.

[Benmage]

I KNOW that Benmage will attempt Murderer. xvart might.

So. Seacore. How do you want to test the voting insanities?

Benmage, would you rather be warded or Resusitated?

You mean, you know that I wont?

I'd rather be resuscitated tonight if its an option.

[Benmage]

Benmage

How the hell do you

know

that the cult warded El G's grave when neither of the people actually tasked with robbing it have actually posted yet?

I have intelligence greater than that of a child.

The man in the sky told me.

[Benmage]

No, if I wanted murderer I'd have kept my mouth shut. But even if you think otherwise that ship would've sailed long ago:

A. I launder tonight.

B. I have 0 of my needed 3 kills.

[Benmage]

Youre missing that there is 0 cult dead, 0 leads, and mounting evidence that Spy is cult. Why do you want to keep a cult alive. Its mind bottling. They can use Spy to totally fuck with us knowing he's gonna eventually die. Not killing him now would be the dumbest thing ever.

The only reason he lives is some farfetched theory that our dead Guy ressed him. Ridiculous.

Anyone who can't see that he needs to die really needs to reassess their Mafia play (if town).

[Benmage]

UNVOTE: SpyreX
VOTE: Benmage
UNVOTE: Benmage
VOTE: hitogoroshi
UNVOTE: hitogoroshi
VOTE: Benmage
UNVOTE: Benmage
VOTE: hitogoroshi
UNVOTE: hitogoroshi
VOTE: SpyreX

I'd be willing to rob grave. (SpryeX?)

[Benmage]

Seacore or Xvart we gonna get an updated bracket of noise/insanities/night actions?

[Benmage]

What makes me and xvart obvious grave robbers?

Shouldn't xvart launder tonight?

[Benmage]

Also 1 more insanity...fine...2...ehhh I'm getting up there.

[Benmage]

I don't know why I'd still be classified as someone to "dislike"...In my opinion I'm the only one whose caught cult so far.

Also me and Spy are boys and I'm pushing his lynch the most. (I'll eat more hats than imaginable if he flips town)

I'm down for nom-ing a town and nom-ing a scum.

My town nomination right now is Andrius. My scum is AV....I guess both are subject to change, but I want this down...(following hito's plan)...so theres no excuses in the event of a quicklynch.

[Benmage]

I'm iffy about the kill...hes was very town, but also a horrendous player...so this might be for the best.

Anywhose plan sounds good.

[Benmage]

Not a huge chance of sucess yet, but soon the cult will rack up enough insanities to be forced to take voting insanities, also possibly murderers, and then we'll nail them.
Which is why I've been watching for them from D1, just in case.

Mmm I thought someone said it only needs one to perform the ritual.....so scum could be piling insanities on one individual.

[Benmage]

I'm sick

[Benmage]

Yawn, can we kill our first cult yet?

I read nico as genuine as El g.....not that it excuses the behavior, I'm leaning town, but a stalk tonight on him sounds fine to me

[Benmage]

Yes, AV, you and I will rob grave the same person.

[Benmage]

Benmage hate v spyrex?? I love spyrex.

[Benmage]

I'm fine with wraith killing Nico....let them waste a Ward.

[Benmage]

Why are there so many people not voting?

[Benmage]

Yeah thats fine. Remove AV, and insert Baby Spice.

Andrius will remain my town-nom, cool?

[Benmage]

To clarify (even for my own sake)....Baby Spice will rob grave both with myself and my town-nom (andrius)...Correct?

[Benmage]

Why do you find Andrius so town? he's approaching the top of my scum list personally.

I like his night actions ...Who are your 7 cult reads? It tough trying to pick 7 out from the remianing playerbody.

But fineeeeee...switch my town-nom to VPB.

[Benmage]

I wouldn't mind a rough outline of who people think are the remaining scum.

Here's mine....and its real rough. Descends from most town to most scum:

TOWN:
Benmage
xvart
Wraith
hitorogoshi
VP Baltar
Seacore
Andrius
Plum
totallynotmafia


Confused:
AurorusVox
Triglav
Trilobite
VasudeVa


SCUM:
Feysal
Nicodemus
nopointinactingup
Iecerint
kunkstar7
Baby Spice
SpyreX<<<<Most Scum

In my opinion, we have yet to nail a cult.

[Benmage]

Its a rough rough rough outline...When I clicked submit I actually wanted you below TNM..cause you could arguable be interchanged with TNM or Plum. Like I said its a descending list.

Plum gave me an early town read...that why shes town, but near the bottom of the list...I forget what stuck out for TNM.

Feysal ehh hes only the top of the scum list, so not the strongest read.

Nopoint lurking too much.

Pick out 7 cult.....its tough.

[Benmage]

Yep AV is cult. AV YOU ARE DOUBLE ROBGRAVING TONIGHT ON MY TARGET AND ON VPBs. BABY SPICE YOU'RE FREE.

[Benmage]

I'm graverobbing?

Ya, you're my town nomination

[Benmage]

Post 3407, to oh I don't have books..yep, cult.

[Benmage]

Whatever you're on the night shift...i.e. grave robbing

[Benmage]

Why would nacho not listen to seacore....no reason not to. I've jumped at replacements before to get them to claim info and have only been met with resistance by scum.

[Benmage]

I've jumped at replacements before to get them to claim info and have only been met with resistance by scum.

Damn. That sounds like a pretty definite meta point. You should lynch me or murder me or something.

Or, you could explain why.
Or, you could live with me doing my reading first and my claiming second.

I have full intentions of lynching you after spyrex.

1 reason to not give the information now?

[Benmage]

Lazy, useless town are the types that follow immediately when something is asked of them. By waiting, I was actually able to read the rules and make sure that there wasn't a benefit to me keeping my insanity count to myself. In other words, there might be no reason NOT to, but there's also no reason to just take him for his word.

Do you think a player would ask you to do something negative? If this was the case, wouldn't the rest of us town call out that player? Throw the book at them? Scum with something to hide and make sure they don't slip are the only ones to delay yielding information. And I am voting you on that premise alone tomorrow. GL, if I didn't already attempt to kill one cult, I'd be killing you another cult.

And to counter. The reason to take him for his word, other than there being no reason not to, is the reason that scum would want to make sure they aren't slipping up in a town trap. Like I said, I've setup scum like this before. It may be a sketchy method of catching scum but its damn effective and after you fall for it once, you bet your ass you check your role pm the QT and anything pertinent before checking into a thread the next time you replace in as scum.

Meanwhile; Wraith you looking for something to do, stalk and kill Nacho.

[Benmage]

Xvart,

you must also rob grave tonight along with....(laundering). But pick one scum-nom.

Seacore is a good town-nom.

[Benmage]

Seacore, VPB is my town nom...and I'd rather put your duo on Wicked and Xvarts duo on spyreX

[Benmage]

Its suppose to be:

ELG: Benmage, AV
Furc: VPB, AV
Wicked: Seacore, Plum
SpyreX: Xvart, Plum

[Benmage]

I didn't know if he was asking me to do the smartest thing. If you think things out instead of simply complying, you might find something that everyone else missed; that's the fun of this setup.

Nope not buying it.

All other players have done this.

There was no town reason for you not to comply. You will be hung for this. Hopefully you will learn and be a better player if you are indeed town. Although this will also be a lesson learned for you as scum.

Percy sent the PM 50 minutes before I checked in at the thread. That's plenty of time for pertinent reading; all attempts to confirm me either way were null and void when I didn't check in after, oh, five minutes.

No, not 5 minutes....6 minutes. You responded whimsically to Seacore 6 minutes after his demand.

[Benmage]

Yeah hito, thats legit...Let's just have all the participants agree so there's no "oops".

I obviously agree.

[Benmage]

Yeah Plum can't kill if Plum is double rob graving...

[Benmage]

Okay we only need to sort out this Plum thing...I say let her be the double rob graver instead of the killer.

[Benmage]

Omg hito, you just gave a kid on Christmas Eve the key to the toy factory, I'm gonna have fun sleeping on this.

[Benmage]

Boys its saturday. I'll get crackin on that list tomorrow...We pretty much waiting on me? I'll make sure to get her done....I was out and about all day today. And I've got to get ready for a christmas party.

I'm salivating.

Scum you're doomed.

Sneak preview. My top 3 stalkers/killers are Seacore/Hito/VPB. (So I might amend the rob graving plan or even rob grave twice myself if need be, we mislynched too much, its time to start killing)

[Benmage]

They're gonna be the ones stalking and killing....duh. The list of those to die will come.

[Benmage]

I'll drop the plan and the graverob deal tonight. Thanks for being patient.

[Benmage]

Ben, why don't you just edit the list from your ISO #283 a bit instead of going and making an entirely new one?

That is essentially the base. But I want to give this a little more effort. I'm going to be sending out the gastapo. And locking down the scum with grave robbing. We gotta do this correctly. This is probably our best shot at turning this game around and winning.

I had a busy weekend. There's no reason to rush this.

[Benmage]

I'm gonna be double rob graving and making Plum double rob grave. I can either put her on both my targets or not, or split with yourself. I was gonna look at that whole deal later as well.

[Benmage]

Our Killers for tonight:
hitorogoshi
VP Baltar
Seacore
Iecerint
Wraith?


Those who need to die, descending from biggest threat to least:
kunkstar7
Baby Spice
Feysal
Plum
Triglav
AurorusVox
totallynotmafia
Nicodemus(lurker)



Rob Grave Plan:
El G: Benmage, Plum
Furclow: Xvart, Plum
Wickedstjr: VPB, AV
SpyreX: Benmage, AV



Let’s see where we stand:
84-Andrius
167-AurorusVox
81-Baby Spice
304-Benmage
50-Feysal
121-hitorogoshi
(116)85-28-3-Iecerint replacing manho replacing Wingless
56-kunkstar7
(54)11-35-8-Nachomamma8 replacing nopointinactingup replacing Super Smash Bros. Fan
(16)11-5-Nicodemus replacing Bowser
79-Plum
376-Seacore
47-totallynotmafia
42-Triglav
95-Trilobite
103-VasudeVa
168-VP Baltar
(152)131-21-Wraith replacing rewq455
87-xvart


TNM- investigation on Wicked seems like an odd night action.
-What was TNM’s night action other than forensic kit search.

I’d like to hear what Kunkstars Night actions have been.

I’d like to hear Triglav’s night actions.

im going to ward iecerint so that i may be rezzed.

Last post.

I attempted to rez Furcolow both tonight and last night, and I failed both times. Furcolow must have been a total dumbass and ignored the multiple times I said "FURCOLOW DO NOT REZ TONIGHT"

I'm confused....Wraith must stalk tonight methinks??

Look I gotta run. Here’s what we got so far. This will allow commentary atleast.

[Benmage]

So I'm stalking my favorite player on that list?

Yes.

[Benmage]

I'm not killing. Plum is. I'm rezzing someone.

Plum isn't killing. We are having our most town people stalk and kill cult. Which will fully confirm them. We aren't having our scummy players stalk/kill because there are too many variables involving warding and whatnot. So we are tying down our scummy players with double rob graving.

[Benmage]

OH YEAH DO NOT CLAIM WHO YOU ARE STALKING.... THIS IS KEY

[Benmage]

And also, he probably changed his mind at the last second like an idiot, like he usually does. The rez failed, which (I believe) means it wasn't a Greater Ritual.

No shit, he was murdered by xvart.

[Benmage]

And tomorrow, people aren't going to claim who they stalked?

Uhm .... thinking that over

[Benmage]

Feysal was second, first I believe being nachos spot. Also nachos spot was communed by triglav.

[Benmage]

I don't really get why Feysal or AV are on the stalk list. Also, I don't think Nacho being communed clears him (or even makes him all that much less likely) of being cult. Other than that, the list looks ok to me.

Nacho's slot in addition to being communed claimed the rez on wicked before Feysal.

I think Ben just has a hate on for me because I rode his ass raw about not going through with his stalk...

Which was such horrid logic. You actually thought I was scum creating some insane gamble instead of seeing the simple logical truth.

Then there was the whole having occult books..not having occult books....Yeah I think you're best grave robbing tonight.

[Benmage]

Fine, I guess I'm stalking then?

Yeah, that'll probably be best for you.

@Hito I want to make sure we see ELG's and SpyreX's flip. I can only be 100% sure with myself being a rob graver on both. I think me double rob graving for just tonight is fine.

[Benmage]

And VPB/Hito/Sea seeing as you are 3 of the 4/5 stalkers....You guys simply don't have to stalk Feysal or AV, or anyone you dislike on the list.

[Benmage]

Which was such horrid logic. You actually thought I was scum creating some insane gamble instead of seeing the simple logical truth.

No; I admitted that you were town AFTER you had completed the stalk/murder attempt. Before that, you had NOTHING to back up your stalk claim. I could turn around and say: "Oh, hey, I stalked XXX" and if I then didn't follow through with it, that WOULDN'T make me town, would it?

Saying anything else is the horrid logic

.

Suggesting Cult was making the gamble, and wanting the act followed through is one thing. But you believed that I was cult lying to be the case over me being town/stalking. I.E. you believed the farfetched slight chance conclusion over the 10X more logical one.

[Benmage]

I would prefer Plum with Benmage on the El Goosuki grave rob because I'm most concerned about her being Cult.

Also, have we thought ahead to the possible pile of bodies tomorrow?

Plum is with me on El G.

[Benmage]

Final Rob Grave Plan:
El G: Benmage, Plum
Furclow: Xvart, Plum
Wickedstjr: VPB, AV
SpyreX: Benmage, AV

Let's get a "Yes/agree" or "Understand" from all involved.

Obviously I agree.

[Benmage]

Is Wraith stalking tonight? Also, his call for the hammer before hito finishes the reference is noted. Ben, can you repost the finalized stalk plan, thanks.

I'm not at a computer but it will remain the same with the addition of Andrius as someone able to be stalked and killed. None will be removed from the list.

Wraith

you are stalking/killing.

Xvart

need you to confirm grave rob plan and we're good to go.

[Benmage]

Let's do this!

Kill em all let the morg sort em out.

Gogo votes.

[Benmage]

We should leave me off the resuscitate list.

I agree that suicidal now seems like the worst insanity to have taken and to take.

[Benmage]

I'm surprised the list hasn't gotten more fire from those on it. Feysal is just scratching the surface. I know if I was town and on a to be killed list, I'd be going woah woah woah I'm town for A, B, C and D.....and if I played a shitty game and couldn't I'd look for another way.....like stalking and killing...I'm not saying do this.... but its an easy confirmation for a disgruntled "to be killed" player.

So yeah I think there a lot of cult on that list.

[Benmage]

Oh and if anyone takes that idea and does it....do not kill anyone from the to be killed list, because a double kill will not confirm you.

Also it'd be unwise to kill our killers so don't kill any of our killers.

[Benmage]

Anyone should hammer....

[Benmage]

CD5

Username:

Benmotherfuckinggreatestmage

Did you Hear Noise?

Fuck ya

Did you Ward? If so, who?

Nahhhh

Did you gain Insanities, and if so, which ones and from what actions?

Yesssir!

List all of the insanities you currently have:

I'm crazy ass a mofo. Suicidal, Obsession, Solist, Taboo, Marked, Twitchy, Compulsion. (Maybe mutilation instead of compulsion...I asked to switch)

Did you

successfully

resuscitate? If so, who?

Nope

Were you murdered?

Negative

Did you Commune or Investigate? If so, who, and what result?

Cant

Are you bloody?

Nope

Did you Stalk? If so, on who, and was it successful?

Nah

Twitch?

TWITCHES

Vote: [Benmage]

<--- Replace this with your username!

Unvote, Vote: Benmage

Unvote, Vote: Xvart

Unvote, Vote: Benmage

Unvote, Vote: Xvart

Unvote

[Benmage]

Told ya Spyrex was cult. And I told ya EL G was town.

[Benmage]

Oh other than double grave robbing, I got my insanities from being passed a fetish of myself.

[Benmage]

STALKERS DON'T CLAIM WHO YOU STALKED YET

[Benmage]

With Wraith killed it looks like they're targeting out stalkers....If they're targeting our stalkers for fear of being NK'd they we don't want to let them know which one of our stalkers is stalking a potential cultists.

That said, when the CD's are in....Baby Spice hangs.

[Benmage]

Hrmmm...well I guess I'll see if I hear anything from Percy. So far nothing.

[Benmage]

That said, when the CD's are in....Baby Spice hangs.

And exactly what planet are you on?

The planet whose gut picked SPy-cult. What have you done this game?

Its fine....We don't have to blame this game on your atrocious play...we can right it off as

you didn't get a town role pm

[Benmage]

Hrmmmm...I was thinking it wise not to claim who stalked who so cult couldn't kill our killers....but murder will resolve before ritual, so they can't kill one of ours first.

[Benmage]

Vote Benmage

Faking an insanity is a no-brainer lynch

You make it too easy.

[Benmage]

Oh ya baby...nows the time to tell your scum buddys in the QT to bus yourself. You just voted the most town player in the game....good job.

[Benmage]

So far nothing.

a: Didn't get one last time

Once more deduction eludes Baby Spice..

I'd love to see the reasoning behind faking a murder on SpyreX and bussing him cult to make me town, not to mention the voluntary successful Rob Graves...Please, do share.

[Benmage]

PS: Ben, so does this:

Hrmmmm...I was thinking it wise not to claim who stalked who so cult couldn't kill our killers....but murder will resolve before ritual, so they can't kill one of ours first.

mean you're cool with stalkers claiming target/result as normal?

Yeah yeah yeah, mybad before...I started thinking too much...it's the downfall in this game.

[Benmage]

Yeah I would say stalk again...hito you should probably be a rob graver tonight too..i think you cann afford the insanities..that'd put you at 5 after the kill riight?

[Benmage]

Goddamn, lol you both stalked baby spice...well okkk, easy lynch target for today...Uhm yeah lets stalk and kill again, hito nvm on the robgrave, nom a town nom for urself I suppose. (If I get modkilled)

[Benmage]

Hito, why did you wait before anouncing who you stalked? I can see no good reason for it

Reading isn't everyones greatest attribute...but he was following my wishes. I made the error, sup?

Benmages reaction being so predictable

Yeah I agree...I do like lynching scum.

Hito, if I was cult, what cult team in their right mind would ward me? Seriously.

Preview

You too Seacore. The second bit not the first.

So Hito and Seacore are lying cult....interesting...Oh you mean town warded you? Yep...... Why would cult not ward you/a fellow cult?

[Benmage]

Are you really that stupid Ben.

Why would the cult ward someone when that person would become the obvious lynch target, unless it was to cause a mis-lynch?

Hell, why would they ward someone you were going to scream at anyway?

I know that

you are

your play is that stupid. But cult dying at night and being lynched is worse then cult just dying during the day...news flash people 1 is still a smaller number than 2.

And you still havent answered why you lied to us Ben.

BABY SPICE I ANSWERED YOUR DUMB QUESTION:

So far nothing.

a: Didn't get one last time

So far nothing.

a: Didn't get one last time

So far nothing.

a: Didn't get one last time

So far nothing.

a: Didn't get one last time

PERCY HAS SAID NOTHING TO ME THUS FAR.........THERE IS NOTHING MORE TO SAY.

Actually I know you aren't stupid. Arrogant yes but not stupid. So ben, why did you mis-represent me above

What misrep?

Here's another good question, whyare you claiming such scum hunting skills for SpyreX, when

you actually sheeped a Plum case?

Then called her scummy.

Where did any of that come from?? You asked why i thought Spy was cult and I said personal meta...lol quote this sheeping please.

[Benmage]

Ward to force a day lynch over NK, is same logic why they resuscitated SpyreX.

[Benmage]

I am most excited to see Baby Spice murder hunting flailing, I swear her play is always devoid of logic...I don't understand how people play this game, and don't get even slightly better from time to time..anyways....

I have 0 murders..what day could I possibly be going murderer/winning this game?

Also she just claimed xvart wasn't bloody... meaning he laundered like he was suppose to...meaning he can't win for 2 more days....how can she then be stamping her feat about murderers...saying cult are no threat...WE HAVE 1 CULT DEAD, Goddddamnnnnn....moreover we can lock him up GR-ing if we actually feared him, but we don't.

Vote Baby Spice

[Benmage]

Oh yeah and like VPB said....Percy is human..in a big game. Missing asterics is certainly plausible. For one to receive no warning for the first infraction, and then to be doubledup seems unfair. So I doubt I'll be modkilled...but we'll see nonetheless.

[Benmage]

Just because Benmage hasn't suceeded yet doesn't mean he isn't trying to be one, and I firmly believe he is. Why else would he lie about insanities?

DO you understand how this game works? Tell me, mathematically what day I could fullfill the murderer WC, I want to make sure you just aren't a slow person and are able to comprehend your madness..

Also if you do have some sort of learning disability i apologize...my cousin has downs and I doubt he'd be very good at this game.

[Benmage]

Why didn't Andrius just taboo his occult books?

[Benmage]

Benmage - why would you take Mutilation over Compulsion?

So I show up bloody.... Big deal..I'm not killing 3 people this game . Compulsion would force me into doing a night action I might not want to do...although I doubt I could get bloody at this point. Noone should be resuscitating me....So I suppose Compulsion will be a logical future pick.

[Benmage]

Umm...Benmage, have you even murdered anyone yet?

Not successfully, no...Hence me being the most awesomest town, definitely not going murderer route for I'd need 3 successful kills. I tried to kill SpyreX. Who said he was murdered attempted. Who obviously was resuscitated by a fellow cultee, and is now dead. Soo yeah, anything else?

[Benmage]

Yes Xvart. One only needs to attempt to murder twice regardless of the outcome to BECOME a murderer. But in order to WIN as a murderer you must SUCCESSFULLY kill 3 times. Therefore seeing as I have 0 SUCCESSFUL kills...there's no way in hell I can WIN as a murderer, and therefore it would be THEDUMBESTTHINGEVERFORMETONOWGOMURDERER.

[Benmage]

Benmage - why would you take Mutilation over Compulsion?

So I show up bloody.... Big deal..I'm not killing 3 people this game . Compulsion would force me into doing a night action I might not want to do...although I doubt I could get bloody at this point. Noone should be resuscitating me....So I suppose Compulsion will be a logical future pick.

Why wouldn't we want to rez you? You are a pretty good target for Cult unless they are more worried about being stalked.

Because I have suicidal as an insanity and am therefore a liability...Furthermore last night I chose the insanity marked...SO NOONE SHOULD EVER RESUSCITATE ME.

[Benmage]

TNM,

feel free to stalk and kill me.

[Benmage]

Did he do that for some reason I forgot about?

Because he was stuck on that night action due to obsession. Although i don't see why he couldn't have used it on someone else (done something potentially useful)....gotten the extra insanity, but than BAM taboo and all fixed.

[Benmage]

@ Benmage -- Ah. Hmm. Well. Hmm. Is there a reason that hasn't already made him too dumb to live, or what?

No..he'll be on the updated to kill list for you guys restalking tonight...Although Nico also looks like a nice target to try and stalk again, how could such a lurker get a fake ward...I doubt it would be a scum ward setup on a townie.... But also think about who will probably be on the chopping block tomorrow...Andrius? Nico? Soooo you re-stalkers will be required to drink a bottle of wine before submitting your actions to Percy tonight.

ALSO

TNM You have to Stalk and Kill me.

I'll double rob grave these next two nights...I'll do Compulsion and Denial tonight to not affect my day abilities, and it won't matter the following night because you should be killing me..I highly doubt scum will waste a player warding me. Confirming...or imo, not confirming you will be most useful.

[Benmage]

STALKERS:
Re-VPB
Re-Hito
Re-Ice
Re-Seacore
(TNM)

Those who need to die:
Andrius (Potential lynch)
Nico (Potential lynch)
Kunkstar
Plum
AV
Triglav
Trilobite
TNM (Most likely lynched if he can’t kill me)
Me (ONLY TO BE STALKED BY TNM)

The NachovsFeysal mess wines my brain to mush. I don’t know if I want them to be stalkers or killed lol. Sure Nacho’s slot claimed the rezz first….But as cult knowing the failed kill that could be an easy gamble, both to excuse blood, an insanity and make Feysal look worse. Or I could be overthinking and Feysal is lying…Or both could be telling the truth…AHHHHH….The triglav commune on Nacho’s slot adds to the brain headache. I'm fairly convinced theres scum in one of them.


ROB GRAVE PLAN:
Wraith: Benmage, Triglav
Baby Spice: Benmage, Triglav

[Benmage]

I'm open to ideas on what to do with Nacho and Feysal. Thats pretty much what I'm stumped on, the rest looks good imo.

[Benmage]

Actuallly...I'll RG, and Ward tonight...TNM will have no excuse.

So XVART, you Rob Grave Wraith instead of me aiiiiight?

[Benmage]

Benmage, cult warding you tonight would not be a wasted action, seeing as it would result in me being lynched.

You don't seem to understand. I ward tonight means I can't be warded, meaning your Stalk/Kill can't fail, meaning this last post and squirm confirms to me you are indeed cult.

I AGREE, NO MORE BABY SPICE VOTES TILL AFTER NEW YEARS DAY.

[Benmage]

We should have our two most trustworthy stalkers (Ben's choice) hit Andrius and Nico, who we will ask to ward other players. Failed stalk = lynch. TNM can hit Ben, and Iece and Seacore scull the list like last night (unless Ben has two more people he'd rather have us hit guaranteed.) Andrius and Nico, if you're townies, the best thing you can do is make sure we don't waste a day on you guys.

Let me dwell on this, and try and think things through...because cult killing our guys could be a fubar of wifom...the reason it'll work for me is cult passed me my fetish last night, so they can't kill me before TNM is forced to do this. There is no way for TNM to squirm out of this.

******Does anyone else know for certain that scum don't have a fetish of them. I.E. Passed last night (or potentially a previous one/followed by no noise)

[Benmage]

LOL, doesn't that mean your ward fails though and you are still warded?

Damn..you are correct.

[Benmage]

Alright, damnit I'll go back to double rob graving tonight...We'll simply make TNM a stalker/killer, moreover I will become open fodder on the to be killed list.

[Benmage]

For what it's worth, I've yet to receive an insanity infraction.

BS hangs to bring in the new year.

[Benmage]

I would suggest xvart rob both graves tonight, and do it alone.

Absolutely not. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. I hope to god Xvart does go murderer. The Cult are miles ahead of the town right now. I want the cult fearful of a potential murderer. I want the cult, who if they want to win, to have to deal with this potential murderer by NKing him.

Murderers are no longer the agenda of the town.

A few things to note. TNM is stalking/killing but doesn’t want to perform it on me because it’ll be easy ass wifom for scum to ward me…THAT SAID. I hope to fucking god one of you idiots who are town and maybe on the stalkee list, or are just floating around, stalk and kill me. KILLING ME is PROTOWN right now. other than my liability in quick lylo it’ll also confirm someone who may be questionable. Obviously I have marked so Resuscitate is a wasted action on me.

TL/DR STALK/KILL BENMAGE (we want cult to waste a ward on me, or we want you(stalker) to be confirmed town)

So, Yeah. I’m double rob graving tonight again to block any dust.

I say we have Plum double rob grave with me…But that’s open to suggestion.

[Benmage]

I'm gonna be real fucking pissed if not one person tomorrow tells me they were successful or not in stalking me.

[Benmage]

Yeah, mutilation was allowed because I had yet to post on the day when I sent in the request.

[Benmage]

I was thinking someone other than the nominated stalkers should stalk me....if they're town but we don't think they're confirmed, or maybe even have them down as potential people to kill....well than what better way to confirm yourself then by killing me. People like nacho, feysal,, Andrius, triglav,, trilobite,, and VV/AV fall into this category.

Our original stalkers/killers should stick to the normal list.

I better see some damn attempts, not like your usual night actions have done much. So fucking kill me.

[Benmage]

I don't think this will work if multiple people are all directed to stalk you, because cult can claim to have stalked and then when someone else murders you they'll claim they tried too?

Don't worry I'll explain tomorrow. Go ahead and stalk me.

There needs to be a certain random element for it to work.

Bingo bango.

[Benmage]

CD6

Username:

Benmage

Did you Hear Noise?

Yes

Did you Ward? If so, who?

No

Did you gain Insanities, and if so, which ones and from what actions?

Yes, Compulsion and Necrophilia from double rob graving.

List all of the insanities you currently have:

Obsession, Suicidal, Twitchy, Marked, Solist, Mutilation, Compulsion, Necrophilia, Taboo(commune)

Did you

successfully

resuscitate? If so, who?

No

Did you Commune or Investigate? If so, who, and what result?

No

Are you bloody? If so, why?

No

Did you Stalk? If so, who, and was it successful?

No

Twitch?

*twitches*

Vote: Benmage

Unvote, Vote: Benmage

Unvote, Vote: Xvart

Unvote, Vote: Benmage

Unvote, Vote: Xvart

Unvote

[Benmage]

Did you Commune or Investigate? If so, who, and what result?

No

Did you

successfully

resuscitate? If so, who?

No

List all of the insanities you currently have:

Twitchy and Taboo (Commune)

What did you do last night?

TNM, I think you need to claim your stalk now, otherwise you could just be cult tomorrow and claim to have doubled up on a murder of someone else. Hiding it gains us nothing. (And lord help you if you claim Andrius or AV).

100% yes here.

Seacore and VPB will kill tonight.

Hito my friend. I'm afraid you restalk.

[Benmage]

Who?

[Benmage]

Ice will obviously restalk.

I don't like that two people stalked Andrius when I said he was likely to be lynched.

I'm half thinking we start assigning kills. Adding people to the list of stalkers as well. Like VV/Nacho/trilo.

[Benmage]

Before Feysals commune I did, didn't you?

[Benmage]

I'd like to know why AV stalked Benmage, and why TNM apparently didn't.

TNM said he wasn't going. He still needs to claim. Moar should've attempted.

[Benmage]

Before Feysals commune I did, didn't you?

Not really, no. I wanted Nico dead after he was warded yesterday.

So you believed him to be scum flying under the radar...?

Why then did you think it logical for him to claim to hear noise, without a claimed kill attempt on himself?

He also cowered on N3, you think this a lie?

You don't think this is EL G all over again?

[Benmage]

Everyone really needs to just start claiming what they did.

Plum who did you rez?

[Benmage]

So you believed him to be scum flying under the radar...?

Why then did you think it logical for him to claim to hear noise, without a claimed kill attempt on himself?

He also cowered on N3, you think this a lie?

You don't think this is EL G all over again?

In order:
Yes
Huh?
Yes
No

2. Why would a scum Nico, who knew he got warded..jump the gun in claiming noise(prior to a stalk claim), whereas town nico appears to have believed he was simply stalked.

In light of Nico's claim I am firmer in my belief that this is potentially another ELG scenario. I'd much rather lynch someone like kunkstar or Plum.

[Benmage]

I'm fine with Andrius dying tonight. I'm fine with VV dying tonight.

Do either of you have rezz kits?

Hito/Ice are definitely restalking...

I'm thinking about assigning lots of stalkers, and targets for them...thoughts?

EDIT: SWEET ANDRIUS U RES SEACORE TONIGHT

[Benmage]

I dont like that TNM is mia...really need to know who he stalked to organize tonights actions.

[Benmage]

Very rough, but something like this:

Lets see.
We lynch kunkstar or plum today.
I GR
Andrius Rezz's Seacore
TNM claims/Kills.
Seacore kills Andrius (this cannot fail unless cult lying here)
VPB kills AV
Nacho stalks me tonight
Nico stalks triglav
VV stalks Feysal
Feysal stalks VV
Triglav stalks trilobite
Trilobite stalks kunkstar/plum
Hito stalks
Ice stalks

Does Ice have a rezz kit?
Does xvart have a rezz kit?
Does VV have a rez kit?

The following day we give go aheads.

[Benmage]

I'm NOT fine with VasudeVa getting axed.

He wouldnt be for at least 2 days.

I am slightly upset xvart didn't go murderer..just as a big middlefinger to the cult.

EDIT...oh woops....Welll Seacore kills AV than and VPB kills you. And you Rezz VPB.

[Benmage]

I fully believe AV warded me.

[Benmage]

I hope he did go murderer. Cult have to choke on that wine. Murderers are no longer the agenda of the town.

[Benmage]

Seacore, you kill tonight.

Ice has way less insanities. He'll restalk.

[Benmage]

Ben: its my death. I think Seacore is town. I think he's more likely town than Iec. I'd FAR rather Iec to stalk (because he has higher chance of failing and thus being revealed as scum pew pew pew)

I think we got enough scum lined up. We dont need Seacore with 8 insanities. I'd much rather Seacore confirmed 100% town no iffs ands or buts to lead, when I'm gone. There is plenty of opportunity for Ice to show he is town. There is also plenty of people on the chopping block before him.

Trust me.

[Benmage]

^To add to this, notice that BabySpice took Suicidal. Presumably he discussed his insanities with the cult. I think they could all have potentially garnered a hankering for suicide.

AV, I have already said all of this. I think we should wait two days and then start doing it. We lynch Nico today, lynch plum tomorrow and then start doing it.

Why lynch Nico today?

[Benmage]

Okay.

N1: Searched FORENSIC TOOLS
N2: Searched RES KIT
N3: Res'd VPB
N4: Res'd VPB
N5: Robbed grave
N6: Stalked Benmage

---I've taken soloist and kept my res kit. It's there for whoever wants/needs it if I'm getting murdered tonight.

@Ben: Trust you like when you said STALK ME PLOXX and so far I'm the only fucker who did it and yet you still want me dead? I feel betrayed!!

Xvart also stalked me. Which confirms that I was warded. Which is good. We aren't wasting a lynch on you. We are NK-ing you and confirming a townie. All gooooods.

BTW..... YOU RES SEACORE TONIGHT.

This way there is noway Andrius nor you cannot die tonight. In addition VPB and Seacore will be confirmed 100% town and badass to lead.

[Benmage]

I still think Nico is scum. I think we'll find somebody else claim they resus'd me before all the claims are in.

If that doesn't happen, then we can kill Plum

What is your read on kunkstar?

[Benmage]

As long as I keep my target to myself that significantly reduces the chances of cult interfering with my confirmingness.

Incorrect. Cult know where all the "noises" are because they're making them, or we're claiming them. They'll know to rezz or not if need be. Just like they knew I had stalked SpyreX, and knew to rezz him. You should claim.

The only way i wont be confirmed tomorrow is if I'm unlucky enough that my target is also ritualised by cult...if that happens then feel free to suspect me. Hopefully my target is cult anyway, so that that wont be happening.

Nope, pretty sure murder shows through ritual, feel free to mod confirm this.

I'm willing to lynch TNM if he refuses to claim.

[Benmage]

I think you're losing the plot a bit Benmage. If I'm not confirmed tomorrow - either by me solely on my own murdering my target or them being successfully rezzed when i was the only one murdering them, then you can go ahead and lynch me if you want. The odds are much more in my favour of being confirmed as things stand now, though.

I disagree. As does Seacore. Thats two of the strongest town players...Do you have anyone in agreementwith you?

Infact

unvote vote TNM

[Benmage]

You're clearly one of the weakest town players

(or one of the gutsier cult players perhaps), if you're going to lynch someone before they even have a chance at confirming themselves.

Starting to sound like SpyreX and Baby Spice aren't we?

Lets see other than catching our only 2 scum...and being right on ElG...hrmm yeah I guess I do suck, what have you done again?

In a quick Percy skim... there is this:

The only time a

Cultist

who selects

Participate in the Ritual

avoids becoming

Bloody

is when the target of

The Ritual

dies due to a successful

Murder

attempt.

Yes, horrible quote tags...I forget if there was a more direct answer to this question..regardless you can ask. But yes Murder will show over Ritual so there is zero reason not to claim.

I am more than happy in speedlynching cult...I.E. you rather then letting you fuck with our night actions like we allowed SpyreX to do.

[Benmage]

Better idea, we lynch you today so cult can't stack you up on insanities.

[Benmage]

Better idea, we lynch you today so cult can't stack you up on insanities.

Is this a thought out-loud or a call for votes?

A call for votes, but I wont be able to organize night actions yet.

[Benmage]

Looks like suicide testing wont get us anywhere.

So yeah. At this crucial moment in the game there is no reason for TNM to be so difficult. But I don't mind lynching 3 cult in a row. So you guys can drop hassling him.

TNM Claim in your next post, or a L-1 Claim wont fucking save you. Your getting strung up. Quit being a stubborn dumbass. Dumbass.

And I'm V/LA till Monday.

[Benmage]

^Agreed. TNM You fool. They could kill you, and Rezz their scum buddy. G-G. Zero reason not to claim.

His latest, "you've given no original opinion, just saying the town wants it the town wants it"...reads to me like scum complaining about the lack of a case on themselves.

I, Seacore, VPB etc etc have all said they wanted this. We've illustrated that scum will know based on noises and our claimed actions who you've stalked. We also illustrated that Murder will show over ritual, unless they chose to rez and ritualize the target(highly unlikely). So again, to make the claim that we've given no original opinion is classic scum stalling asking for a case on them, or disbelieving the evidence of the case on them. Its flail flail flail, scum fail.

Lynch TNM relentlessly. Has anyone been more accurate this game than I? You want to lynch cult 3 days in a row? Don't let him squirm out of this. I am leaving now for the airport. TNM should be dead in 24 hours.

[Benmage]

Yes, double damned is a good way to put it. I want him lynched because I don't want him to screw with our night actions the way we allowed spyrex to.

[Benmage]

No xvart, I took necrophilia, ill be grave robbing.

[Benmage]

Tnm's logic is so fucking bad I am so glad we are lynching him and feel great about it.

He ignored the scenario where he is nk'd and his target is rezzed (sure it confirms he was town, but it leaves us out of the loop)....lets see. The only one to successfully kill cult has been myself. Xvarts kill went through because he killed a townie. Your kill will likely only go through if it is on a townie.

Regardless I am over it and his obstinate behavior. He hangs today period. He missed his opportunity to claim. I don't even care now, he dies and that's that.

[Benmage]

The whole TNM stalk claim isn't as clear as people are trying to insist. From what I have read there is pros and cons to both ways and we have no problem with him claiming his target tomorrow with a hot death. If the fear of him piggie backing another claim is so bad, why no make sure TNM is the FIRST to claim out of all the stalkers?

Also we would like Seacore to follow though with his kill, not Ice. I'll go into more detial on that soon.

~Sotty

God, you are totally scum too aren't you

?

. The order of the claim is meaningless, that should be obvious. In addition to wanting him to claim today and not being satisfied with lynching him tomorrow is we don't want scum to maximize use out of him and screw with our actions like spyrex did. I am not letting another scum wiggle into living an additional day.

[Benmage]

Trilo, I would like to hear more about why it should be me, I felt that AV made a compelling argument

Benmage, I'd like you to weigh in on this too, probably after Trilo

Have I really not said enough on why?

[Benmage]

The guy is consistent at least. This claim or die stuff is starting to get really old. Can't we all just agree to lynch Plum?

~Sotty

Lol, fuck no. You should really start bussing.

[Benmage]

ALSO also, just thought, if no one else claims they were murdered last night, that gives Seacore proskills townpoints amirite? So isn't him getting confirmed on me a waste when we can get Iec confirmed on me (or outed) and keep Seacore very-probable clear (assuming there are no other attempted-murder claims)

My thought process goes further thusly: normally the order of claimed stalks doesn't matter due to noise hearing revealing who got stalked, but cult wouldn't know I was stalked though noise last night since they passed me a fetish and I'd have heard a noise anyway. So Seacore fakeclaiming a stalk on me (first) would be VERY risky, esp. considering no one claimed to stalk me before so he could have outed himself like a motherfucker. Put that on top of his attempted murder claim, and bam. Also Iec's reasons sound like he was preparing to back down killing me because "whoops I made a mistake guess I shouldn't have stalked you then <3"

Benmage, please respond to this. This is a fresh(tm) argument.

yeah, that's good enough for me. Sea doesn't have to kill. Save his kill for an endgame sexy maneuver or something. Ice will kill. Word. I am away and on a phone.

[Benmage]

No trilo I don't want a walking dead cult screwing with our night actions. He dies today.