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The brave man inattentive to his duty, is worth little more to his country than the coward who deserts in the hour of danger."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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Yawn.....just pretend I paraphrased someone else's ideas...but be sure to note some added spiffy-ness.Seacore wrote:People who quote instead of scum hunt piss me me off -
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Benmage in particular, I'd like to see some scum reads please.
Hell, who are your scum reads?"ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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This is correct. I am robbing one grave, because I am also killing tonight. And I'd like to rob Fate. Although I'll rob whomever.Seacore wrote:Benmage will not rob two graves. However I'd be happy with him gaining extra insanities to make it harder for him to go murderer."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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Well yeah, if I don't have to Rob thats all good. But If I do, I will only do it once, and I'd like to rob Fate. (Although thats not an absolute)"ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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I'm confused....why does Fate having an insanity make people more eager to dispatch him? It makes me believe him to have been an investigator who lied, and sought to become a murderer."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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What if cult never killed...and just sought to out play the town. They could do all town-like night actions, and pass fetishes to cause in sanities and never come up bloody or have to lie about night actions, meanwhile looking quite townie and causing mislynches..... HRmmmmmVP Baltar wrote:It's not proven, just pretty likely. It's possible the cult no killed, but I doubt it in a game this large on the first night. He's like 99% town."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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But them getting bloody and insanities is how we catch them and lying about night actions is how we catch them...no?"ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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Another Ward on myselfwould be much appreciated!
I'm killing tonight. And then laundering tomorrow night....So if there's any personal doubts on me, go get an investigator kit tonight and check me for blood tomorrow night.
I'm grave robbing Fate."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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Getting the kit tonight, and using it on me tomorrow night, after I kill tonight (ie N3)...would show me as not bloody, since launder actions goes before invest, proving I laundered, proving I have no interest in going murderer."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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You'd have to be a murder before being a serial killer. The lack of a second kill by me nullifies the worry of my insanity build up.Iecerint wrote:Mod: As currently written, players with 9 insanities may murder 2 players in one night. Is this intentional, or is the intent just to give insane Murders twice the flexibility with regard to kill targets?"ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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Well I'd be grateful, but others are capable too.Andrius wrote:
I'll consider it, like I said earlier.Benmage wrote:Another Ward on myselfwould be much appreciated!"ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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Ice, stalking and murdering occur on different nights. You must already be a murder...ie. 2 kills before you can use the serial killer aspect of double stalking.
So yes I'm town, not going murderer.
And I didn't hear noise N0 and heard noise last night after Andrius warded me. Sooo I should still be fetish free. Therefore another Ward tonight, by anyone, would keep me fetish free/cult immune."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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I believe you are mistaken wicked. Pyschopathy can't be chosen. It is attained automatically as the insanity for your 2nd murder....but feel free to mod confirm."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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Question...from phone, but still. Necrophilia would be a no no for me. That seems fine for tonight, but if I am to grave rob in the future it might be a needed pick....can't choose taboo without gear, correct?"ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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Zero. I was just baffled that that many people did not hear noise n1, nor n2, or were warded...Guess I haven't been following that close enough."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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*twitches*
Yes, I am Bloody. I owe an apology towards Fate. I got occult books last night and used Taboo on them.
vote SpyreX"ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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Same question about why LB and Fate had insanities. But with Fate I can confirm he got occult books, and yet still had an insanity....O.oWraith wrote:First of all, why did MoI, investigator, have 2 insanties? Was he going murderer?
I differ with Feysal and say we can't rule out our murderer wannabe/soontobe."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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Wait...there was noone to grave robe N1 to get dust.Wraith wrote:If they did, that means they might have gotten corpse dust N1. If they got it N2 they wouldn't have been able to use Greater Ritual.
It must've been murder and ritual?"ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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Oh, so someone rezzed you.Iecerint wrote:Yes, I failed to protect. No, I am not bloody. I also didn't get an Insanity.
Let's find out who(m)"ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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Because you weren't bloody.Iecerint wrote:
Though THAT part does appear to be a mod error.Rules wrote:Notes: If more killing actions target the player than there are players Resuscitating them, then the kill is not prevented, though you still become Bloody when the killing action resolves.
Why is it implied that someone rezzed me?
No, wouldn't that only mean Tom's rez failed, but the rezz on him would've worked?VP Baltar wrote:Actually, I think the problem is that Furpants Tom used a rezz kit and couldn't be protected....right?
Got ya. Seems illogical, but okay.hitogoroshi wrote:Ben, they can do the Greater Ritual without any dust as long as at least 2/3'rds do it.
Again, illogical. A soulles person? But okay.hitogoroshi wrote:Also, Fate's insanity is probably because he was passed a fetish of himself. Don't know why the cult would waste an action on that, but I'm fairly sure it's the only way he could have gotten it."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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It's Mind Bottling, I know.Trilobite wrote:
I don't know if I'm missing something, but how could Fate have an insanity and have searched for occult books? Is it possible for cult to pass fetishes on night 0 or something?Benmage wrote:
Same question about why LB and Fate had insanities. But with Fate I can confirm he got occult books, and yet still had an insanity....O.oWraith wrote:First of all, why did MoI, investigator, have 2 insanties? Was he going murderer?
I differ with Feysal and say we can't rule out our murderer wannabe/soontobe.
They could've passed him a fetish the night he was made soulless...Although I fail to see the reason to do this."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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Hmmm... True.Iecerint wrote:It has to be that he Stalked someone N0 intending to go Murderer. Not very mysterious."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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Well, we (I) just caught one, and his name is SpyreX. Vote accordingly.Furcolow wrote:17 v 7
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He would've been on your rez list? Or had you had a kit you would've rezzed him?hitogoroshi wrote:And? Spy would have been on my rez-list if I had a kit. That argument only really works for someone that has zero chance of being rezzed by a townie. Unless I'm missing something...?
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Noone here has the bad feeling ElG is the easiest mislynch fodder?
I'm by no means excusing the atrocious behavior/play. But I think its to easy, and could be dealt with...even tomorrow.
Spy should die.
But you know what. It'll be good to hear who rezzed him and why. 2 cult for the price of 1 sounds a-o-k to me."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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Oh right ...you shoulda got an invest kit...so when I launder tonight.....Andrius wrote:
You are going Murderer, so I can't protect you past like, D4. You do realize that, yes?Benmage wrote:But now you can't ward me tonight! *sad panda*"ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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What am I making up? I'm bloody. You're bloody. I tried to kill you. I'm going to launder tonight. When Am I gonna be murderer? D20?SpyreX wrote:OR, get this, Benmage is, like he's always been, going for murderer and making stuff up.
Noone is claiming rezz on you.
Why has SpyreX not be strung up yet?
Pretty sure I did. Pretty sure I wanted to see if he had cult books. But I never made it mandatory for me to do so. Just that if possible I would've liked to. I didn't think it a major, because if the night actions went correctly, noone would've gotten gear.xvart wrote:Yo Benmage - you never answered why you specifically wanted to rob Fate's grave.
xvart.
Do I have to? It's obvious I'm town playing towards the town WC. But his play didn't resemble town SpyreX. Moreover he wanted me dead. Plus all D1 despite ignoring me when I said I was killing Fate no questions he asked, he never bothered with me until the very end where there appeared some support to kill me. And he called for my death despite thinking me town. But again, his play really doesn't remind me of the strong town SpyreX i know... I don't feel like he's sunk his teeth into this game to get town to do the rights things. I think hes coating a bit too much.Baby Spice wrote:Benmage. Since we're still waiting for all the claims, why did you suspect Spyre of being a cultist?
I concur.Seacore wrote: I've had a brief readthrough,
El G should probably not be the lynch today. Instead, we should commission somebody to murder them. All three should be absolutely ashamed of their play, but I think they're less likely scum at this point.
We should nominate a nonlikely murder, likely cult to do the job.
Uhm... SpyreX is a way better lynch. Plus we can confirm someone and get em killed with the murder plan.Seacore wrote:Actually, Spyrex, fair call. Put me on board with the El G lynch. I just can't shake this feeling that they aren't scum, just a three headed village idiot.
One who's parents are siblings.
But logically, you're right, we shouldn't give them a walk for this.
Give me a day or two, (life days, not game days) I'll vote for them when I get back home.
This resonates with me.VP Baltar wrote:
I really hate this frankly. It's the perfect cult claim for gaining an insanity. "I stalked, but now I've come to my senses and won't be killing tonight. Sorry about the mess up guys." Perfect way to hide the ritual.xvart wrote:Yes. I remember. My blood lust overcame me. But now I'm in a pickle after all the investigator flips because I don't think it is the town's best interest for me to kill my target.
Grrrrrr, logic! VPB is right.VP Baltar wrote:
Depending on what happens with Spyrex here, El G definitely should be the lynch today. Publically declaring they should be murdered is not going to work for a number of reasons. 1) you need to assign a murderer to them, which the cult can just kill. If you don't do this, you'll either have no one stalking or you'll have multiple targets stalking. 2) The cult can just ward El G to prevent the stalk tonight 3) The cult can just rezz El G even if they do let the stalk go through.Seacore wrote:El G should probably not be the lynch today. Instead, we should commission somebody to murder them. All three should be absolutely ashamed of their play, but I think they're less likely scum at this point.
So you're talking like two nights of actions wasted and a number of insanities gained just so we can be in the same spot in a few days regarding El G and have to lynch them anyhow. I don't know if they are cult either really, but you don't get to blow your night actions two nights in a row and go 'whoopsee daisy, Is insane now!'
Yeah but there are several insanities that don't really affect your ability to play this game. I fubar'd and got suicidal prior to the forbidden list. I don't like, nor advocate others getting it.Wickedestjr wrote:
I think that having a nearly confirmed townie in the game until the end is a much greater benefit than what could POTENTIALLY bring the town to LyLo a day earlier. Potentially, because if we were in MyLo and not LyLo, this wouldn't be a problem.hitogoroshi wrote:Also, you're missing the point on suicidal. If you really are a townie, you make LYLO happen a day earlier because the scum can daytalk gang-up and all vote you at once.
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/kills selfWraith wrote:@VP: It'll be bad in the future, if cult start outnumbering townies, but not right now. Why would we ever be voting our only really confirmed townie?
What VPB you think it'll be good if cult start outnumbering townies??
Me too what?Iecerint wrote:Well, Benmage, too, maybe, but I meant how ElG used Investigate even though it was a useless decision.
Yeah VPB is one of the better town reads.hitogoroshi wrote:Furc, please stop with the VP hate. VP's been doing a shitload to get the town together. If he's scum, he's playing the long game, "be so helpful no one believes I'm scum", and that's looking increasingly less likely.
Couldn't agree more. I fear he could be whimsical enough to even vote someone like VPB. But he’s been pretty townish, and it would be way too irresponsible for us to be voting him today.Baby Spice wrote:Killing Furcolow off before we get too near lylo is a definate pro-town move.
He's randomness in action thought and voting, and his tendency to knee jerk vote whoever even looks at him funny is a detriment to the town in the long run."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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Spy, I love you buddy. You just got the wrong role PM this game.SpyreX wrote:OHH NO WIFOM SHUT UP.
Come to grips and get on ElG.
Absolutely. What cult comes out and says "I cowered"...Its a WIFOM sandwhich sure...but what is he aiming at a Day or 2 max to live by, whereas there really was no immediate threat on his life.SpyreX wrote: But, the biggest one, the BIGGEST one is the fact you're rolling with I'm not town enough over 'I cowered'.
Nope.
This is the easy mislynch. This is the wagon protecting the scum buddy SpyreX.
^Cult buddy.Baby Spice wrote: Hate to say it but Ben, I hate meta cases like that. It's not like argueing about what constitutes a scum tell or if something is a scumtell or not, but somethng that seems personal to you. Which means it's a trust issue. After FateHate I can't do that.
!!!!Omg simple answer = right. ELG is the counter wagon it hurts!hitogoroshi wrote:We're waiting on Spyrex until tomorrow at least. His wagon smells so counter-wagon it hurts. Scum would have known Spy was stalked (every other noise is claimed in-thread or cult I believe) and ElG's 'cower' could have been a deliberate plan, which means scum would have anticipated needing a counter-wagon today. Now if ElG flips TOWN then full steam ahead on Spywagon2010 (unless Nico claims the rez obviously.)
Why isn't Spy's rezzer comming forward? Why would Cult not let a kill go through on a Townie? Why would a cult ever claim "cower"....way easier to lie in any scenario.
ELG is the horrible potent counter wagon that is burning my nostrils."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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No. We're doing the lynched the confirmed scum. Not policy lynch the Village Idiot.hitogoroshi wrote:We're not playing the "too scummy to be scum" game. No, no, no.
Bullshit. Total pessimistic, AtE. El G can definitely be lynched tomorrow. Moreover we can try and have him do some sort of forced town move tonight. Like Warding.hitogoroshi wrote:Here is how the game works. If we don't lynch ElG today, ElG's not getting lynched. That's just how it happens. There will always be new scumtells and new cases and ElG will just sit in the back continuing to do fuck all.
However we can't make SpyreX do anything because there is 0 chance he ins't cult.
In what strange world is not lynching confirmed cult over massive VI a good idea?
You see how quickly and the type of people, and the willingness to vote El G and you're gonna sit there and them me the SpyreX wagon is the scum led counter one...WOW.
Lol no. Noone. AGAIN. NO ONE. Is saying not to kill El G today and therefore never kill him. No ONE is saying that. That is some absurd fabrication you have created. Everyone is saying they want him gone.hitogoroshi wrote:If the gambit fails, scum only lose ElG which isn't exactly a terrible loss, but if they win, they WIN. I'm not playing. I don't leave WIFOM daggers pointed at my back.
Today is just logically a worse move to make.
Malarkey. You're talking about some farfetched plan thats heavily complicated with little reward. I'm going for the easier answer. If anything you may have eager scum looking to bus for town cred. Thats about it.hitogoroshi wrote: I'm especially unhappy with multiple people calling Spy "confirmed cult" or the ilk before all the CD3's rolled in - strikes me as scum who were justso eagerto put their plan into motion. Costs a rez kit, sure, but gets a townie lynched and gets ElG pusedoconfirmed on the big lie/sunk costs trick.
Great wagon you got there hitokunkstar7 wrote:Vote: El Goosuki."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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I am very frustrated and surprised at hito's play today.
He was one of my better town reads.
Maybe Fate was onto something (need to relook)."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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HrmmmmAurorusVox wrote: SpyreX: warrants a longer paragraph because I'm a bit confused. I did not like the non-claimed Rez, until Furpants rez was mentioned. Hmm.
Let me see though. Icerint claimed to have been notified of the failure.
But, in the Res action info in the OP...
"Any Resuscitate action targeting you tonight will fail, andthe player who targeted you will"not benotified of the failure.
From the original post:“Effect: You protect your target against one of either Murder or The Ritual.”Iecerint wrote:The wording in my PM specifically indicates that I was not able to prevent FT from passing on. In other words, the fact that he did not survive is implicit in the wording of the PM itself. I doubt it was a mod error, though that would be lovely.
I am assuming Greater Ritual. Murder target is also a possibility, but much less likely.
Doesn’t say Greater Ritual. Therefore the only way for Iecerint to have received that message from the mod would be if Greater Ritual occurred.
Which itself doesn’t necessarily rule out Fur using the rez kit, but****** It certainly rules out the excuse that Fur used a rez kit and that’s why he died."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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I was still processing. I looked at FurTom's iso and SpyreX's.
It appears as if Fur only asks Spy 1 question--what he thinks of xvart.
Spy never answers this, and barely contributes for the remainder or the day. Meanwhile Fur is very active for the remainder of the day.
I find it incredibly unlikely that Tom rezzed SpyreX, and I repeat again I would much rather lynch him who is much more likely to flip cult."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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If El G isn't bloody....then he didn't participate in the ritual, and this cower isnt a fakeclaim but this lynch is a huge policy lynch/mislynch."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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So what was the purpose of cult claiming they performed "cower" last night again?hitogoroshi wrote:
What? Scum only need one person a day to do the ritual. Even a Greater Ritual doesn't takeBen wrote:If El G isn't bloody....then he didn't participate in the ritual, and this cower isnt a fakeclaim but this lynch is a huge policy lynch/mislynch.everyone."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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*headdesk**headdesk**headdesk**headdesk*xvart wrote:
This is a very valid point. What other insanity would they be covering up? Crafting three fetishes?Benmage, 3060 wrote:If El G isn't bloody....then he didn't participate in the ritual, and this cower isnt a fakeclaim but this lynch is a huge policy lynch/mislynch.
xvart.
This is such a bad lynch. The way it was so easily strung up = obv mislynch
I can't wait till tomorrow with 7 dead investigators and 0 dead cult. (sarcasm)
You know who wished they went murder. Me.
This is so fucking dumb.
We're going with caskets of wine and tall tale to lynch El G....which magically was instantly accepted by many.
Over SpyreX obv cult....Oh wait, the dead guy must've saved him....omfg.
Whose willing to proxy their vote to me if El G flips investigator and SpyreX flips cult. Because I'll proxy my vote to anyone else if it flips the reverse."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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Wait...cult can ritual and launder every night and never be found bloody....Seacore wrote:Actually, investigating resolves before the ritual.
Investigating only finds blood from the previous night's actions, and only on those who haven't laundered yet.So El G could have performed the ritual and I still wouldn't have found any blood, assuming they were clean the night before, or they laundered and ritualled, given that ritual is a free action."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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Yeah I was one of them...Whatup, but fine. What Sea says is right about upholding the grave robbers.hitogoroshi wrote: You want to talk about magic, how about ElG's (and anothers!) precognizance halfway through the CD3's that Spy would have no claimed rezzer and be "confirmed cult"?
And Seacore has it right, we absolutely need to hold night actions accountable.
I'll hammer when ready."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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I like it. I'd rather not rob grave myself...excess insanities.
I like Seacore on Tom with SpyreX.
I am bloody. I am going to launder. It is pretty much accepted I killed/attempted a kill last night. An investigate on me would show I did launder tonight..... Murder WC requires 3 SUCCESSFUL kills...who still thinks I am going that path??
I am a good Wardee."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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You do realize that the murderer WC is 3 successful murders...I have 0. I already said I am laundering tonight and desire to be investigated.Andrius wrote: Benmage... it'll take longer for him... a day longer IIRC
Meaning D10, D9 if I don't launder tonight would be the earliest I could be murderer and win. So the D5 estimate is way off....If anyone believes I am going for the D10/9 impossible win......"ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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