I have played in PYP #1.Hoopla wrote:IMPORTANT SURVEY:
Andrius, Rabies, Vollkan, Le Cupcake, InHimshallibe, slowsilver, LlamaFluff, Benmage, Guderian, Sajin, xvart, chkflip, Zodiark13:
You all haven't played in a PYP game as far as I remember. These questions are for you. You are being judged based on your answers.
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Phone msging ftl.
I pretty much agree with everything hoopla said about the slow wagon. Although once back on a computer ill look at those who wagoned it. Oh, like gandalf. I didn't wanna come out and say I felt the wagon was baseless and derail it because I wanted to see what info if any could've been attained from it for I didn't think slow was gonna be lynched.
That said I like the logic behind the top picks being scum organized, I actually didn't think scum were able to coordinate their picks and I wonder if it was different in PYP1 or if its just been too long.
Anywhose I agree about the increased likelyhood of a scum in the top 4. I like hooplas reasoning to exclude chk. I'd also want to rule out Guideran. I while I see scum going for top picks I don't see them desiring cop. And going 1,1 seems like and all or nothing move.
So than I am very happy tounvote vote gandalf
Also based on what hooplas saying I think it very likely to have scum in the bottom 2 neighbors and like my initial andrius vote even more. With 1 scum in the top 4 and 2 in the bottom 2, that's two left from the middle. I don't see lynching at those bottom 2 after the top 4 as a negative strategy."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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I agree wiith this. 1-2 seems more like town numbers imo, especially 1. I don't think back to back numbers is telling at all. 5,6,7,8,9 could very well be scum picks.Hoopla wrote: There's a difference between picking 1/2 and 12/13,
No it doesn't. I think Jacks just throwingout a very standard scum playstyle.Hoopla wrote:
That implies you already know who the scum are. Trying to set me up for something or just tinfoiling?Jack wrote:FOS SCUMBUDDY, VOTE TOWN?
Noone cares. Plus when people first read this they probaly think:Sajin wrote:Still want more people to acknowledge my action submission policy.
I'm a VT i don't need to worry about this.
I'm a PR, wtf am I claiming I am a PR by claiming I submitted my night actions.
You never said for VT's to simply say "submitted".
You fail.
I like xvarts point against Llama in post 154.
Cop is without question the number 1 pick for spot 1. Every night you can basically confirm town, and have the best chance at catching scum. Which is better than vigging. Because vigging someone whose scummy but town is worse than getting a confirmation on them.xvart wrote:
Why is cop the number one pick across the board? Wouldn't scum want vig? Role cop? And maybe scum could want cop to prevent town from having it.Benmage, 107 wrote:Anywhose I agree about the increased likelyhood of a scum in the top 4. I like hooplas reasoning to exclude chk. I'd also want to rule out Guideran. I while I see scum going for top picks I don't see them desiring cop. And going 1,1 seems like and all or nothing move.
Moreover you’re going to be the #1 target for scum. So also our weak doctors target for night protections. So scum have to be aiming for our weak doctor all the while you’re confirming people.
Sure scum could go for this. And I drink a lot of wine when I look at G-man and what he’s done/said/is. Scum could go for it, and go for broke, only to nullify the single most powerful town role. But they’d have to be pretending to be a cop, giving a few results on whomever..Maybe even Nking a townie they confirmed or something, but they’d have to eventually give over a scum. Either bussing, or lying themselves. Moreover when/if the weak doctor was ever NK’d the cop would have to die the next night. And if they didn’t they’d be lynch fodder. Therefore (wine) sacrificing a weak scum to knock out the most powerful town role, doesn’t appear to be a bad idea. That is G-man, and I say this only because of his join-date.
Let’s just say if he didn’t pick cop, I’d like to lynch him right now relentlessly.
Guderiandid you pick Cop?
Let’s just win this.Fate wrote:Sniped: Who's Ben?
If you think Gandalf is scum, are you able to compromise to his lynch first?Fate wrote:Burn witch. And yes, gandalf is scum as well for all intents and purposes but he's not the shiny #1 top pick of scum."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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I love things like this. (sarcasm).PranaDevil wrote:Unvote;
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I'm going to ask why me? (obv)
You're going to (hopefully) answer why.
Why didn't you just save us all some time and state why in the initial vote?
Anywhose....Why?"ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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Trying to fish? No. I am not trying, I am telling.PranaDevil wrote: And Ben.. where to start? Your entire last post screams scummy to me, first you're blatantly trying to fish for roles, for a starter, Gude's.
I am not asking for a CC, and noone would CC. The only one to pick cop would be near the bottom to double over any PRs/scummers higher up.PranaDevil wrote: But on top of those (which has to be one or the other), if Gude ISN'T the cop, you're obviously hoping to out whoever IS said cop.
Anyone in the top area knows not to take cop because #1 should've picked cop as it is the most beneficial role to the town.
If I was scum I'd simply choo choo on easily (or I'd just find out when he flipped)PranaDevil wrote: So, you're either scum and hopping onto the Gudetown wagon (in which case trying to find out his role and/or find the cop).
If the weak doc were to die tonight I'd be advocating Gude's lynch. So am I bussing now? (I didn't read PYP3, so I don't know if this is relevant at all. But different people. Different roles?...Different game.)PranaDevil wrote: or you're scum WITH Gude, and you're trying to lead the weak doctor into danger tonight and find out who, if anyone, is the cop (for those new, PYP3 had scum searching for a cop all game and there wasn't one. It would benefit scum hugely to find out if there is, or isn't, a cop early on)."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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SATISFY ME!??!?!? ME... Who gives a fuck about me. It's the single best town role. You're only fucking over the town. You don't not pick the best town role. Noone else is aiming for cop because #1 should've picked cop. Therefore #1 not picking cop fucks up the roles below as well.PranaDevil wrote:If you had paid attention to what I had already said you would know there wasn't a cop in PYP3 at all even prior to what you posted.
And you even admit that you're not even asking for Gude's claim, you're demanding it.
What if the person who picked number 1 hates being a cop? They should pick it to satisfy you? No, you pick the role you feel will benefit the town most through being used by you, or the role you play best with, not some role that you might not enjoy using, or be useless with, or feel isn't as useful (what with the inverter), so no, your entire "I demand Gude claim" stuff is bollocks.
Not picking 1 as cop is the single most anti-town thing therefore if Gude didn't pick cop He committed the most anti-town thing and deserves to be hung.
I'm basically asking a VT in a mountainous game to claim VT. What I am asking of Gude is to confirm the obvious. He should be a cop, and therefore I will not be voting him on that premise.PranaDevil wrote: And yes, you would still be bussing because if you knew the weak doc had targetted Gude (and how the hell would you know the weak doc went there anyway?
I wouldn't know, I would assume. It is the most logical choice for the weak doctor, to protect the most powerful town role,dee dee dee.
Well we don't have masons. So yeah, lol, without reading PYP3 you've already crushed your own argument. Different game. Different roles. A weak doc whose also a mason would rock out as a confirmation/protective role. But thats because the mason partner is there to claim the weak docs results upon death. No mason partner here....no clue who weak doc protected and wound up dead....gg...weak doc protects cop. Period.PranaDevil wrote:I'm sure scum were 1 and 2 in PYP3... and I was in a mason pair WITH the weak doc, you don't use that role to protect, you use it to clear people, so whoever the weak doc is, take it as read that you should be clearing people, not trying to protect people. Thus the weak doc may not have gone for number 1 anyway, I sure as hell wouldn't).
Weak doc vs 1 scum. On a 5 man scum team. I don't see any town role not worth a 1-1 trade.PranaDevil wrote: Where was I? Oh yeah, if you knew the weak doc had targetted Gude then evidently you would bus him for pro-town points and you've just offed a strong town investigative/protection role as trade. It's a nice trade for scum really, the less people who can confirm people as town the better off the scum is."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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Logic isn't a strong attribute for everyone.PranaDevil wrote:YOU say the cop is the most powerful role for town, I say it isn't
Cop is brainless and gives the best results. I am very good at this game and reading people. But some people, who are town. Suck and play terribly scummy. A vig kills them because they are scummy. Good... but bad because they flipped town. A cop, confirms them one way or the other.PranaDevil wrote:I say it depends on the player who HAS the role as much as WHAT the role is.
You think if the scums not the vig that its gonna live very long?PranaDevil wrote: Even if you don't USE the vig, preventing scum doing so is a damned site more useful than a cop that might well get waffled night 1.
Bes play?...Yep.PranaDevil wrote:As for the weak doc... auto-protect the first draw? Fucking stupid play.
The weak doc dies N1, we kill the #1 pick. Period. And get a 1-1 trade. Thats good.PranaDevil wrote:The most stupid play possible for a weak doc in fact. The chance of one of the unique numbered players being scum is HIGH in this game. The chance of more than one is as well, but only slightly less so. For the weak doc to target someone who could possibly be scum is stupid, because if Gude is scum we lose our weak doc and our only 100% sane investigator (the cop's sane, but can be thrown by the inverter), great move dead doc.
For those of us who are smarter than rocks, said cop is already outted.PranaDevil wrote:No, the weak doc shouldn't be targetting the top player. Sure, if we have a cop, protect them, but unless said cop is outed they can't do that, and if said cop reveals themself and we don't even have a weak doc, then bye bye cop too.
Well then chief.PranaDevil wrote:Basically your plan revolves around making assumptions about things based on your personal preference, as opposed to what is actually logical and useful in this specific game, and in these games the cop is not, and should not, be the number 1 pick unless you wish to give scum extra kills.
Let's break down your plan:
Either way the #1 pick has an awesome Town PR.
True or False?
Either way scum are going to want to NK awesome town PR.
True or False?
Either way the weak doc should be protecting said awesome town PR, the #1 pick.
True or False?
Either way weak doc dies N1 we lynch #1 pick.
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He's lurking.Parama wrote: Can you post the major points of your BM case? (3 is fine, I don't want to see a wall tbh.)"ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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Hooplas scum now .chkflip wrote:Benmage can wait. Hooplascum seems more prominent.
UNVOTE: Benmage
VOTE: Hoopla
Tomorrow I'll be able to dig in here. I'll have some free time and set aside some time for this game, since I've been quite busy IRL. And even though I've been skimming a long somewhat I haven't been able to put the 10+ pages i'm behind into concrete material."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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Okay Okay, I am pausing my denser read through/commentary on top of pg 15. I’ll get crackin some more tomorrow. Totally passed out after work today. Anywhose here’s what I got. I tried not to comment on things that I believed may have been covered or mention later in the thread (as I have been skimming along…ish) But, if there’s anything major I missed point it out. Again only on pg 15…still rolling:
Bull fucking shit.Guderian wrote:Ben, the point of this game is to choose role you would LIKE, thats the point of a draft with multiple roles. What role did you pick?
The point of this game is to PLAY TO WIN. Not Play to Have Fun. You wanna have fun go to a different site. What if my interpretation of "fun" was screwing over my team as badly as I could, and got a good jolly out of that. I'd be having fun. Doing what I "LIKE" but I would not be following the rules of this site. ON this Site you PTW. You do not pick the role you LIKE. You pick the most optimal role to WIN. If you did not pick cop I will support your death.
I disagree. Scum biggest fear would, imo, be the power PRs at the top.PranaDevil wrote:This is another reason scum might leave people at the top alive... not just WIFOM, but we will wind up lynching them most likely.
Then the top slots better start being NK'd.DrippingGoofball wrote:There is no weak doc.
The weak doc is scum.
Discuss.
What is a better #1 pick?vollkan wrote:
The above makes is just stupid.Benmage wrote:Guderiandid you pick Cop?
First, it isn't at all true that cop would be the number one choice for town.
Second, a scum cop can cause massive confusion (through declaring innocent investigations) and generate a mislynch for scum (by claiming a guilty). In short, while a scum cop can't survive long-term, it is a viable choice for scum.
@llamafluffDo you have any meta evidence for your professed preference for vanilla?
Agreed. It would cause confusion. But eventually it would spell utter doom. And if/when the doc died and the #1spot/cop lived we guarantee their false alignment and lynch them.
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hahahahahahahahahaxvart wrote:
YouLlamaFluff, 45 wrote:2 I just chose two numbers around the midway point, got around the area in the draft I wanted actuallywantedto be towards the bottom?
UNVOTE:
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xvart.
You're scum
VOTE: xvart
UGHHHH PUKE...This reeks of trying to be the professor of mafia. Explaining everything. Taking charge. Trying to sound like "oh wow, he knows what he's talking about he must be town". I've seen Adel and Percy try to act like this.Hoopla wrote:inHimshallibe wrote: I think it's not helpful in the slightest to discuss number selections at the moment; we should be scumhunting much more so in the manner of Fate, using Hoopla analysis to lock a case down, and not using the number analysis tobegina case.
Scumhunting is the process to determine the alignment of a player (hopefully eking out scum) - as we cannot do this with anywhere near 100% accuracy, we do our best to derive tells to improve on the starting odds of lynching randomly. When you lose the glamorous title of scumhunting, it essentially boils down to improving your odds of lynching scum via the way of mostly subjective tells. Looking at neighbourhoods is a form of improving the likelihood of lynching scum, if done correctly.
Do you really think Inhim needed to be told how scum hunting works/ what it is?
Town read on Hoopla Plummeting.
This point I agree with. Although the way you phrase it...makes me ponder. Anyone else know what I'm talking about? "Seriously"<<?Hoopla wrote:Seriously, we have four players in this game with unique numbers. It's unfathomable to me that these are all town players from a sheer probabilistic standpoint, due to scum having such better chances of landing a unique number. The wagons on other players lower in the draft are a waste of time (at least on D1 and maybe D2).
Hmmm.... It'll be interesting to see what Gude flips.Hoopla wrote:I'm frustrated that I am preemptively being linked so thoroughly to Guderian when I have never actively opposed his lynch.
Policy lynches are best done early. Village idiots in lylo spells disaster.Parama wrote:
vig shotsHoopla wrote:
That's stupid reasoning - how do you catch them as scum, then?Parama wrote:Pome, gandalf and slow are bad players who will always look scummy regardless of whatever they do.
You're town.
Understand these things.
Obey.
investigative reports
scumslips
lynching them before lylo
I disagree 100% with this. Bad players/new players/VI's are difficult for me to decipher their alignment because they continuously perform scummy actions but they do so regardless of alignment. They are easy mislynches. I usually prefer to put them on the backburner or policy lynch them if I have no better direction.Hoopla wrote:Bad players are almost always far easier to read than good players. Lamenting the (false) fact they always look scummy doesn't solve anything at all, because it discourages indepth anaysis of their motives, which are often more obvious.
I much prefer a talented player who I can properly question, discuss with and analyze from a logical perspective. This way finding inaccuracies, unsound logic, poor play/points can be much more significant.
Explain this buddy.Parama wrote:Additional:
BM is being retarded. Shockawe..
I don't know which game you joined the wahmbulance on me. But this seems like a standard move for you. I feel like you didn't like my move on Fate in CEB and therefore are always viewing me in a tainted image.
Where am I being retarded?
I don't understand the underlined.LlamaFluff wrote: Like Ben is scum. He is not being "retarded" like Parama is saying. He is not just being aggressive. He is scum. He 100% assumes that a role is town,that according to his theory of what a winning combination should be, is the second role that should be chosen, and he sure isnt second on the list as far as I see.Now scum should know if what alignment that role is... they should indeed.
1. So?LlamaFluff wrote: Ben is suggesting sub-par ideas to deal with a role that also makes a lot of assumptions about alignments.1.Also he is suggesting a policy lynch of a slot if they did not pick cop, if you look at him, he is setting up to turn that into his core arguemnt depending on what happens next.2.I think Guardian NOT-cop is more of a town tell since scum want that gone just as much if not more then town. Ben is hoping to tack on a null if even that tell to a wagon in hopes of powering through the lynch at this point
That and his first vote is ultra-scummy.
2. Couldn't disagree more. Why would town want the cop gone?
My first vote was solid. Nor did I waste time with a rvs. And my belief on that slot remains true.
Interesting.LlamaFluff wrote: Benmage
xvart
Inhim
lurker
loud player
Le Cupcake wrote:Can anyone provide me a game with benmage as scum? His play is not what I am used to when not fighting with fate.
I was scum in Battle Mage Mafia
QFTHoopla wrote:Just Guderian and Gandalf should claim. We only have one noose for today. No point exposing anything more than we need to.
These are good points.Fate wrote:Everyone's defense of him is N00B or VI, but this PYP-Virgin comes in, understands how the draft worksso freakin wellhe does game theory, aces it-wait no he CHANGES his numbers first-then wins the draft.
And THEN, he speculates on WHAT Y NUMBERS SCUM WOULD PICK? I mean, how often did that even COME up in the other games? Maybe halfway through D1 of PYPIII? There's NO WAY he thought of it without scum QT promptings.
Why?Guderian wrote: Either gandalf or ben need to die today.Pomegranate wrote:Why doyouthink gandalf and Ben are scummy?
I couldn't agree more.Hoopla wrote:Going for Gunsmith in the top 3 seems kind of stupid, then for it to be picked twice in the top 4 is even more stupid.
!!! How is this guy not lynched yet!!! Why must I cipher through 10 more pages!xvart wrote:gandalf5166, 298 wrote:I'm a VT.Is it a good idea for me to claim what my predecessor tried for, since scum could figure out that one of the people above me must have that role?
UNVOTE:gandalf5166, 309 wrote:I like investigative roles, but figured cop would already be taken.
UNVOTE: gandalf
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You don't even mention me in your catch-up post but I am 2nd on your list? Catering to others?gandalf5166 wrote:My reads in summary:
Scum:
Guderian
Benmage
inHimshallibe wrote:Benmage makes my brain ache. Actively ache.
Thats all you add on the bottom of pg 14..my last post was pg 7?8?"ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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Actually I said I’m working on my catch up and are on pg 15…but whatever I’ll murder llama’s dreadful statements when I get there.PranaDevil wrote:So Benmage.. still ignoring the fact that so far out of three games the only time cop was picked in the number 1 slot was by scum? Llamafluff gave you the information earlier, but it would appear you would rather stare at the facts and say they're wrong. That's like looking out of the window at a ton of snow and saying it's a warm day.
Bottom line you should note. Different games. Different players. Different roles.
PYP1 was basically a trial run anyways. Noone had a clue what was going on. Plus there was 2 scum teams, a framer role, and a SK inv immune.
This game has different roles. The vig isn’t an every night vig. Clearly underpowered when compared to a cop."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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How does that at all incriminate me?Parama wrote:Crap, that makes it pretty damn obvious that Guderian is town.
unvote, vote: Benmage
I'm gonna sheep llama here and I hope llama sheeps back.
baaaa
I like llama's unvote but doesn't vote me, especially after Parama's vote. Cause her case is smoke and mirrors, crap and nonexistent."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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So go ahead boss.Parama wrote:Because Llama is picking between 2 good lynches and trying to decide which is better.
Bullet for me the excellent case on me that totally incriminates me."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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PranaDevil wrote:PYP3 wasn't a vig every night either, they were the same as they are here, one even night, one odd night.
It was still picked over the cop role.
Thus you are still spouting utter bollocks.
As for Parama's post:
Le Cupcake - town
Benmage - scum
slowsilver - town
inHimshallibe - town
Andrius - town
BURN. And I didn't even have to look at the game. Stop fucking talking to me Prana. You are a waste.Parama wrote:^Prana, because the top player was scum in that game.
Where is the link to PYP3 anyways?
Again. Different Players. Different roles. Someone said mason/weak doc last game or something. That combo would rock. But we don't have that here.
So this is a different game.
I want an answer here:
*****************Does anyone think theres a role better than cop to pick from?(Note vig is every other night)."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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^This. I will not be answering the 5 player list until I'm caught up.Jack wrote:That's anti-town.
Feel free to try and lynch me."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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So...they'd be killing you regardless thinking you were the cop.gandalf5166 wrote:I wouldn't choose cop for the simple fact that scum would assume that I had picked cop.
Then you'd have everyone picking after you screwing up getting VTs thinking you were cop.
But I'd like to hear from people who I don't consider a VI."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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Which I've asked you to bullet/restate.Parama wrote:As long as you do it at some point in the near future, I won't lynch you for it.
I will however gladly lynch you for other reasons."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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What is your #1 pick?PranaDevil wrote:
You're still talking out of your anus jackass.Benmage wrote:BURN. And I didn't even have to look at the game. Stop fucking talking to me Prana. You are a waste.
Your number one pick IS NOT EVERYONE ELSES. Get that through your thick skull for fucks sake. "I'm" a waste... yeah, because I'm the tit who's so high and fucking mighty that he believes that his opinion of what to pick as number 1 is the right one.
You're scum, and you're also rolefishing."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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No no no no. I never said the second option is weak doctor. That’s a terrible idea. The first choice is without a doubt cop. But follow me for a second. So cop is the #1 pick. Lets say its town. And the weak doctor is scum. The cop dies N1. Done deal. Lets say the weak doctor is town and the cop is scum. Weak doctor dies, by mislynching or nk’d. Cop doesn’t die…we know cop is scum and lynch accordingly. Now ideally both are in town hands and scum must find the weak doctor before killing the more powerful PR cop. That said, I never said weak doctor should be or would be an ideal #2 pick.LlamaFluff wrote:
You seem to be saying the best thing for the town is to pick cop and then weak doctor, anything else is SURELY anti-town and policy-lynchable. Given that that is the case, you should not have picked weak doc, so the only way you can know the alignment of the weak doc would to be scum with no WD on it.Benmage wrote:
I don't understand the underlined.LlamaFluff wrote: Like Ben is scum. He is not being "retarded" like Parama is saying. He is not just being aggressive. He is scum. He 100% assumes that a role is town,that according to his theory of what a winning combination should be, is the second role that should be chosen, and he sure isnt second on the list as far as I see.Now scum should know if what alignment that role is... they should indeed.
1. Again different games. Different total roles. Different players. Nor do I care if people played sub-optimally in past games.LlamaFluff wrote:
1. Look at what I dug up, town has never picked cop first, scum does half the time, that makes it a crappy policy lynch.
1. So?LlamaFluff wrote: Ben is suggesting sub-par ideas to deal with a role that also makes a lot of assumptions about alignments.1.Also he is suggesting a policy lynch of a slot if they did not pick cop, if you look at him, he is setting up to turn that into his core arguemnt depending on what happens next.2.I think Guardian NOT-cop is more of a town tell since scum want that gone just as much if not more then town. Ben is hoping to tack on a null if even that tell to a wagon in hopes of powering through the lynch at this point
That and his first vote is ultra-scummy.
2. Couldn't disagree more. Why would town want the cop gone?
My first vote was solid. Nor did I waste time with a rvs. And my belief on that slot remains true.
2. Want it gone from others hands. Scum have cop and thats one less role to hunt them down, perfectly fine move for scum to take that role early on.
2. How does the #1 pick not taking cop make it more of a town tell? I don't understand what you're saying...."want it gone from other hands" Okay town wants it in town hands...therefore they should take it #1.....I agree that scum taking cop #1 to lead town on a wild goos chase is viable. It also denies them having to look for it if a town slot later in the pickings covered over cop. I don't see why town wouldn't want cop, and why thats a towntell for #1 pick."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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You talking about questionable results... watcher can see a multitude of people visit a person who winds up dead and not know who committed it.LlamaFluff wrote:
Watcher can be far more powerful then cop, in a power heavy game this is like doubly true. You honestly dont see that? I would rather have town-watcher scum-cop then scum-watcher town-cop in a heartbeat.Benmage wrote:I want an answer here:
*****************Does anyone think theres a role better than cop to pick from?(Note vig is every other night).
Or they could target someone noone visits and attain nothing.
Sure there's the inverter. In fact it would've been pretty protown for a lower #placing player to try for this role to make sure scum went for it/have it. If someone did, claiming so would rock.
One of the biggest reasonings I have mentioned why cop makes most sense is that it also doesn't fubar later picks. People already have mixed opinions on #1, so then #2-3-4 get screwed.
Anyways I think we've toss and tumbled on this issue enough. People have their reasoning and thats that."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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You're gonna need to flush this out when you can.chkflip wrote:- I'll be reviewing the prior pages on these five and give my opinion soon. Right off the top, though, I know I've thought that Benmage and slowsilver have looked scummish to me."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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No, although I wouldn't consider it a policy lynch:LlamaFluff wrote:
So you finally admit that policy lynch of non-cop Gud is stupid?Anyways I think we've toss and tumbled on this issue enough. People have their reasoning and thats that.
But I'd much rather lynch someone I think is scum. I.E. Gandalf. However if he flips town I'll be looking back at those top picks. Because that is some of my reasoning. I'm not policy lynching. I'm lynching scum. I think theres scum in the top picks. Moreover #1 not picking cop is a scum-tell for me. Yes I know scum has picked cop #1 before. So it isn't a policy. But regardless gandalf is my primary concern. Not Gude.Benmage wrote: One of the biggest reasonings I have mentioned why cop makes most sense is that it also doesn't fubar later picks. People already have mixed opinions on #1, so then #2-3-4 get screwed."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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Well I had wanted to wait for some more crappy votes to pile on before debunking my wagon. But the deadline is vastly approaching and I can’t risk a quick lynch.
But you are agreeing with Guderian to lynch me....So do you think he's scum bussing? And if so why do you think he chose to bus me rather than attack gandalf, the lead wagon?PranaDevil wrote:Much as I don't like to agree with the above scum. He's right. We're 48 hours (or less I think, without checking) from a lynch, and the closest is Gandalf, and I'd prefer either a Benmage or Guderian lynch, as I'm now the only one on Guderian, it would seem Benmage is the other option. So I'll switch back over to him and hope we can get a solid lynch on him.
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I'm also in agreement that Andrius needs to actually get involved in the game.
Seriously…this is a vote. Says nothing. No reason. Calls me town in his list to Parama in his last post. Wow….DrippingGoofball wrote:Not feeling gandalf.
VOTE: Benmage
Another short iso if you’d like to skim like DGB’s….never mentions me until the Parama question where he does put me as scum….Why? No reasoning….any reasoning here, nope….Wow…slowsilver wrote:I guess that I don't want a Guderian lynch yet
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^Self-preservation vote.gandalf5166 wrote:Looks like my hand has been forced. Hoopla will have to wait until tomorrow.
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So much for thinking I’m town via others you trusted…or was that baloney. Don’t tell me slowsilver and DGB were your trusted ones…lol..LlamaFluff wrote:
Actually it was him setting up a policy lynch on Gud if he didnt take cop more then anything else. Apart from that though what has he done? Answer is close to nothing. He has basically just piggybacked on what people have said about Gandalf apart from that. He is one of the few who just seems intent on getting a lynch of one of the top picks more then anything else, which again is a little scummy on its own merits. The way he is going about it is even worse. Only paranoia is that my favorite pick for a partner to Gandalf-scum just voted Ben.Pomegranate wrote:I feel like Llama keeps trying to incriminate Ban for his belief that cop is the only worthy pick for #1 (assuming town). I mean, it might not make sense and such, but why does that make him scum?
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In what world would me incriminating Gude for not taking cop #1 pick translate into me being scum. First and foremost if you want to call it a policy lynch, how many D1 policy lynches have you see scum try and lead/push when met with intense resistance. Has anyone catered to my opinion on the #1 pick? Yet have I changed my views on it?
Now your second part of slipping your vote onto me….I haven’t done enough….fair enough, been busy…But I have made effort, and I am nowhere near the worst in that boat.
Even though ParanaD hasn’t specified why he’s voting me…I’d be assuming it goes hand to hand with Llama’s reasoning for disliking my opinion on what the #1 slot would pick…but again I say, how is that indicative of me scum?
Reasoning for switching from gandalf to me?chkflip wrote:It's really quite obvious where this is going. I'd like for lynch to be achieved, so here goes.
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Anywhose TL/DR...I'm a VT..if someone worthwild not voting me wants to know what I went for, I'll claim it."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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Since i'm not too concerned with being lynched. And all the votes on me +most of the people voting me are horrendous, I don't know if I want to state what I went for...because that narrows down the top picks greatly. (Hint hint, wasn't gunsmith or obviously cop)inHimshallibe wrote:
Um, duh? Or is this not correct PYP theory?Benmage wrote:Anywhose TL/DR...I'm a VT..if someone worthwild not voting mewants to know what I went for, I'll claim it."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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Phenomenal, why did you switch from gandalf to me?chkflip wrote:Benmage's attitude concerns me.
Bullet your reasoning as to why I am scummy/why you want me lynched."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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And why am I scum to you?gandalf5166 wrote:@benmage's little post on his votes: Of course it was a self-preservation vote. I know I'm town, I'm pretty certain you're scum, me and you are the only people gonna be lynched today. Why in the hell would I not vote for you?"ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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And that's why I called it a self preservation vote. You have no reason to vote me other than you don't want to die yourself .....not very convincing for the lead wagon, trying to push an alternate one.gandalf5166 wrote:I don't remember, don't really care. Even if I was fairly sure you were town, lynching you would be better than lynching me simply because while I THINK you're town(hypothetically), I KNOW I'm town."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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My point was to crushed post 691 where he calls me scum. Yet he actually has no clue what he's talking about. Hence it being a self preservation vote only.LlamaFluff wrote:
Ehhh... thats a bad point. I dont think town-gandalf or scum-gandalf would vote for someone else. Any other vote is a guarenteed death.Benmage wrote:
And that's why I called it a self preservation vote. You have no reason to vote me other than you don't want to die yourself .....not very convincing for the lead wagon, trying to push an alternate one.gandalf5166 wrote:I don't remember, don't really care. Even if I was fairly sure you were town, lynching you would be better than lynching me simply because while I THINK you're town(hypothetically), I KNOW I'm town."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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I already claimed VT....come on hoopla deduction, how could I know Gudes role?Hoopla wrote:
Well, since you're pretty much claiming role-cop, give me a list of roles you wouldn't want Guderian claiming right now. And I'll tell you which ones will be handy to know right now, because I don't trust your judgement.Benmage wrote:I know Gudes role. I don't see a need for him to claim.vote slowsilver"ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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SLOWSILVER....Why did you think I was scummy?
slowsilver wrote: BenMage to me was very scummy during the middle of Day 1 (reading back for an example), and that is why I voted him."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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You mean like when we lynched always scummy gandalf who also flipped scum for a multitude of reasons...while you had your vote on.....oh yeah ...me...what happened with that, why/how was I scummy, and where would you care to look today?Parama wrote:Anyone voting slowsilver gets scumpoints. You people are just lynching the always-scummy players it seems. And I'm pretty damn sure silver is town this game."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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Lol, thats not too shabby of a list...I also don't like DGB...but first and foremost, obviously, slow needs to go.LlamaFluff wrote:
Its Sajin, Prana and people who are lurking (rabies, eli, andrius, IAU)Fate wrote:Llama since I'm not listening to your reads for the rest of the game, want to humor us with that "predominant" scum read now?"ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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I say we lynch slow, modkill rabies and see what tomorrow brings.
There's definitely scum in the 6's, but is there scum in the 8's?"ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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FYI Rabies last visited the site, the last time he post here..nov 27....shame on spyrex for allowing such a noobie in our game...shame shame shame."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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Parama wrote:That was the hammer?
Why do we fail, town. Why?
It's like a broken record.Parama wrote:Is slowsilver hammered? That means we lynched town, which is crap play."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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-you tried to derail the gandalf wagonPranaDevil wrote:
Y'know... that tends to go without saying. Town will say it because it's true, scum will say it because they want you to believe it's true. So what's the point in saying it in the first place unless you plan on posting fluff? Derp.Parama wrote:It's funny because you didn't deny being scum.
And Jack, if there's a case on me, I can respond to it. If there isn't, I can't. Simples.
-you attacked/bordline tunneled me with minimal justification
-you couldn't wagoned harder onto slowsliver, nor have had a shittier vote. (Do you even know why we believe slow to be scum?)
-I haven't thought a single one of your posts decent
-you're a # double
And this is just off the top of my head."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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Thats the crazy talking...although gandalf would've made a great super saint. Dude always sucks.Fate wrote:Hey its not like gandalf was able to LIE about the role he chose and got vanilla too, am I right?
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Here's some added argument fun facts...what could be the worlds most easiest target? A #6... A #6 who lurks. dunt dunt dunt:
slowsilver wrote:Vote: Andrius
Where are you? You've been on the site - why are you forgetting about us? Lynch all lurkers.Le Cupcake wrote:Parama is andrius' scumbuddy.
Unvote, Vote Andrius
Lets lynch the cake, he flips scum and I'm confident andrius is town.Le Cupcake wrote:Or we can lynch lurker-scum andrius, and save the massclaim for tomorrow.
Methinks that's a better idea.
Vote: Andrius
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