SMBM 1: IoBC GAME OVER! CONGRATULATIONS: TOWN AND KAMIKAZE!

[PranaDevil]

I can confirm foo's

[PranaDevil]

vote: Swiftstrike

As a nice welcome to Mafia Scum ol' buddy ol' pal

[PranaDevil]

I forgot you were in this thing... bar steward .

[PranaDevil]

and -100 points from gandalf as well.

[PranaDevil]

I'm sorry... but where did Gandalf say he wasn't sure what alignment he was? He just said he was unsure of the role itself, not on which side he was on.

And Gollum, you leave Kryten alone.

[PranaDevil]

@ Lakitu -- Neither. My interpretation is that by "role" Gandalf meant "character" (like, that whether he was Mario was unclear).

It's possible that he meant role the way you intimate, but I doubt it, because it would basically mean claiming PR on page 1.

Not necessarily, if he's Vanilla and was unsure of what the PM meant role wise (Depends on how his PM was worded) then I could understand him being confused.

But role is definitely things like Vanilla, Roleblocker, Cop, Doc etc. rather than Character, which is a different thing entirely.

[PranaDevil]

and -100 points from gandalf as well.

Where did you -100 from someone else before that you can do it again and why do you still have your RVS vote still on me? Have you not found anything yet that you find more suspicious that random vote?

I thought it was quite obvious with the line of posts, that I was saying Gandalf was wrong in who the scum group were, based on the fact I have played the game.

[PranaDevil]

We're at page 8, and so far there's been sod all happening, we moved from RVS over to people debating on who the scum were, and that's about it really, I've not understood any of the arguments for lynching chkflip, and the reasons people had for voting Gandalf were just stupid. So I don't have a read on anyone. Are you really that worried about having a single vote on you swift? This isn't the UKFF were a single vote means anything (it shouldn't there either, but even so). Hell, even if I removed my vote from you outright, it would still be "easy to move", hell, it would be "easy to move" regardless of who I was voting for, so I don't even get what you were trying to get at.

[PranaDevil]

It wasn't role fishing, and I don't agree with policy lynches anyway.

[PranaDevil]

I'd consider it exceptionally null.

[PranaDevil]

I would really like an early lynch to see the mechanics of this game and how it works.

Nice idea, how's about we start with you?

unvote;
vote: muh316

[PranaDevil]

It may seem like a scummy thing for me to say and I am aware of that, but an early lynch is bound to get us way more info than blind discussion on day 1. I wouldn't say this in a smaller game such as a newbie or mini but in this game I believe its safe to say right now because of the large amount of players we have right now. I want you guys to think about it. I didn't vote the policy lynch because its not a bandwagon.

So tell me why we shouldn't make the early lynch on you.

[PranaDevil]

Admit it, you'd love to see a flip right now to know more about this game. I know I would. But I know people would jump on me and call me scum if I suggested we rush-lynch someone. I also know it isn't the most pro-town thing to do, and would be just a selfish push to please my curiosity. I don't think it's really a scum-tell on muh316.

He's not a newbie, or even close. He's been here for over a year.

unvote
VOTE: muh13

I'm glad to get on to this wagon, especially if that really was a dayvig back there.

What's this dayvig you are talking about?

It was on the last page... go read it.

[PranaDevil]

on second thought, let's see where this gets us

Launch at:chk

This post... the one halfway down the previous page... the one that was commented on by a few people, the one that was nigh on impossible to miss because of it coming immediately after his vote.

[PranaDevil]

Generally, from what I know of, a bastard mod game favours nobody, but you can expect lying and such on both sides of the fence.

[PranaDevil]

I don't even care that muh has looked scummy since his initial "I want a quick lynch" post. I just figure if he feels someone should be lynched quick so we can understand the flavour more, that person should be him.

He came up with the idea, ergo he volunteers himself for it. If he doesn't wish to be the guy to get lynched under that basis, then he evidently doesn't believe his reasoning and proves he's talking out of his anus. Either way it leads to his lynch.

[PranaDevil]

The "he came up with the idea, thus he volunteers for it" logic... try reading the thread, it's much easier that way.

[PranaDevil]

Hence the "irony" part of it.

But it still doesn't change that he can't come in and say we should just lynch someone to see what's going on, if they're not also willing to be the one that's lynched to show it. Otherwise it shows he's just after a quick lynch for his own benefit, rather than the town's.

[PranaDevil]

If people want him dead, they'll vote for him, 7 players out of 28 is only a quarter of those playing, and based on the lynch requirements, it's only halfway to a lynch. Ergo, people don't "want CHK dead" just yet.

But my point still remains, you are now seemingly scummy by all accounts, so why should we not lynch you for the information?

[PranaDevil]

Actually muh, you said you'd just jump on the largest bandwagon, you gave no opinion as to Chk being scummy, just that you felt like hopping on it to gain information, it's only after the fact that you wish to add in that you feel Chk is scummy. You didn't believe he was being scummy (or should I say, you know he's not scum eh?) and so just hopped on hoping nobody would really question it.

[PranaDevil]

While I agree that the first question leads nowhere, the second one doesn't, and I too would like to know how you found it beneficial to town to essentially fake claim a power role early on.

Also, thinking about it, you HAVE stated you have a role, purely by your point 3. You're saying you assume them to be vanillaless, which means you are of that assumption here, which means you have a PR. (Yet there's no knowledge of it being all PR's or whether there's Vanilla's). I also doubt you were trying to draw a NK either, because that would be ludicrous at this stage.

Either way, I want to hear at least your response as to WHY it's beneficial to town to softclaim a PR you don't have on day 1.

[PranaDevil]

Yet if you act scummy outside of that, scum keep you alive for a mislynch anyway, and town call you out on your lying instead when you're forced to claim (or you risk outing an actual PR). I'm not seeing the benefit of a soft claim day 1 still when you're vanilla.

[PranaDevil]

We have a lynch on it's way. Muh is the lynch.

[PranaDevil]

Thing is swift, if he had wanted to deliberately misquote dana, he wouldn't have quoted the post immediately above it. It doesn't read any different, and it's not scummy either because there's no scum motivation behind it (as it doesn't change what was said anyway).

[PranaDevil]

@Mod, I'm V/LA until Monday

[PranaDevil]

I return, and I like a muh lynch still. There's a chance of there being Vanilla's (Bastard modding doesn't instantly mean no vanillas, and I think I said that elsewhere), but I don't like that Muh was waiting to give a claim along with previously mentioned scummy behaviour.

[PranaDevil]

Sorry mallow, but MS is right, the closest you've come to a reason has been:

"Scummiest read right now IMO"

and

"Midnight hasn't been very helpful thus far. Lots of fluff posts."

Which, don't count as reasons in my mind. Especially when thus far I've seen nothing but fluff posts from yourself (your ISO is hardly a long read either). So I'm not buying that. If you have a case on MS, bring it forth, if you don't, then stop pretending you do.

[PranaDevil]

Prana is lurking a lot and seems to try and keep off the radar with his short comments.

"Wah! Focus on the guy who called me on it, Wah!"

Because, y'know... I was "lurking" all through my V/LA wasn't I? Being as I only returned yesterday, and there's not been a great deal to comment on, and seeing your flip will help us plenty, I think we just need to hammer this thing home at this stage.

[PranaDevil]

Well, this is a game of mafia, and you see... while we have information at the moment (which leads me to believe you are scum), we also can take information from who was on (or indeed off) a wagon regardless of someone's flip. It's the same way we would gain information on any flip. It's how you play the game.

The non-sarcastic response would be that you're scum and once you're lynched, and the night kill happens, we can look over who was defending you, and who was happy to just slide on the wagon and when.

Oh, and mallow, I notice you responded to MS, but failed miserably to respond to my post pointing out that you don't have a case on MS in the slightest. Want to actually respond to that or are you going to pretend it never happened and continue with the "I do have a case, I do, I do, I do!" stuff?

[PranaDevil]

So... your entire case on him is "He's posted nothing of worth"... why shouldn't we lynch you tomorrow based on the back of the exact same reasons?