Reckamonic's Ocarina of Time Mafia..OVER! Was Hyrule saved?

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/Confirm
Rawr!

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Vote: Chronopie

I SHOULD HAVE LIVED IN THAT GAME! RAWR!

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Vote: Chesskid3

What is with you and been very anti-townie?
Don't lynch me yet, wait till tomorrow?
How is waiting for the next day going to beneficially to the town?
=/ I honestly think your probably a jester if their could be one in OoT

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Gandalf half of the hydra here, telling you all to note my sig. You'll have to put up with shotty alone for the next week or so.

You and shotty are the hydra o_o. -twitches-
Btw Gandalf has been grounded so his activity will be limited is what his sig says.

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K, fuck actually defending myself, because you're a bunch of assclowns. I'm King Zora.

Now go lynch somebody else.

Seeing as their is only 28 players, and I can think of more then 28 playable characters that can be involved in this game, I'm going to ask you what powers you have if any.

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Chesskid I think you should probably get your head out of your ass and tell us your ability.
Your first attempt at let me live then lynch me didn't work
Your second attempt will fail as well.

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Your ability became useless when they gave it to you.

I lol'd at this.

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I am wondering. If Chesskid3 is town, do we still want him alive with that ability lol.

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Hey I got an idea. Lets not lynch me, and if I'm alive tomorrow maybe we can reconsider then durrrp.

How is keeping you alive going to be beneficial to the town?

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We need a vote count :<

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Ignore my claim then. I can't help what role I got. What reason was there for the tunneling on me from page 6, as opposed to say Albert who has like 3 posts, or the 3 people who haven't even confirmed yet, or Le Cupcake who has also only posted filler?

YEAH LETS ATTACK THE 3 PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T CONFIRMED BECAUSE THEY SO CAN DEFEND THEMSELVES.
o.o
The reason you were "tunneled" was because of how your posting and acting.

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I don't understand why guessing an anti-town player clearly either a) very bad or b) trying to get themselves lynched doesn't warrant me pointing out the possibility of a jester. This would be my first game with that type of role (only done newbie games til now) and therefore I am calling it how I see it. Someone explain to me how pointing out a jester is anti-town?

Secondly, Chess is just digging his own grave deeper. Trying to keep up with the Ythan-Chess argument is kind of annoying considering most answers posts are one-sentence-long responses. It's distracting from the rest of the game and we will be better off tomorrow.

For instance, look at Le Cupcake's posts and tell me how he's contributed anything other than appearing to be active? All he did was ask one pointless question about why someone found him scummy. Everything else consists of some variation of a lol or roflcopter.

P-edit: Ninja'd by above 9 posts.

I don't understand the Jester talk.
Chess needs to be eliminated. That way the town can actually get some damn reads on people and get the person who will probably fuck town up out of the way.

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Page 19*

That makes more sense lol.
imma respond to those that were on me kkkkk.
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-Way to piggyback on Fate. Bus your scumbuddy while you can
o.o Your really going to tell me that I had no reason to vote Chesskid? I guess all those other people voting chesskid after Fate are just piggybacking him too right <_<.

Bunny
-scummy for asking for a full claim from chess.
I'm pretty sure Chess had like softclaimed about his role previously, but everybody else agreed that he should tell us his role =/.

@Sub: The jester gets his win condition if he is lynched. The game then continue on as if normal. For what I know, their is no penalty for the town if he dies. But if Chess is a Jester, he going to continue playing the same way he has been doing, which will screw town up. Chess is bad for the town.

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Mods, if a jester is modkill, does that meet his wincondition?

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Chesskid thanks for improving your play.
nik is a night zero cop?
How does that work if this game starts on Day 1 and night 0?
Unless its possible that a game can start on Day 1 with powers already allowed to activate that should only activate at night.
I'm confused :<.

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Can anyone explain how a night zero cop work when we don't have a night zero, please =/.

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Can anyone explain how a night zero cop work when we don't have a night zero, please =/.

Sigh.... have you ever heard of a day cop?

=/ That isn't what the person claimed now is it?
I think.
I'm not even sure what or when this person claimed, I just see post saying Nik is a Night zero cop which confuses the hell out of me.

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Then I'm seriously not paying attention.

Or I'm stupid.

Or both!

The question is... What kind of flavor would reflect that in Zelda?

Sheika are bodyguards... So not that.

Maybe a kokiri? With a fairy?

Or anyone? With a fairy in a bottle?

>.< Cupcake? Flavor?

*searching for pro-town motivation of this post*

ERROR ERROR


EEEEEEEEEEEEABEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP

Unvote:
Vote: Chronopie

The problem with 28 players is you get too many fucking morons. I'M LOOKIN AT YOU BUNNYLUV

That wasn't nice
<_< Why am I being called a moron when it was the others who thought their was a night zero cop when their was no night zero <_<.
Is it because I should have assumed day cop =/?

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IT IS BECAUSE YOUR LAST 5 FUCKIN POSTS HAVE BEEN NOTHING BUT "ZOMG IM CONFUSED WHATS THIS WHATS THAT" AND NOT ANY SEMBLANCE OF SCUMHUNTING+PRO TOWN.

PEOPLE WHO SIT HERE AND FLAVOR SPECULATE, ROLEFISH, ETC. ETC. PISS ME THE FUCK OFF.

And people who type in caps frustrate me, but you don't see me complain about it =/.
I'm trying to figure out why Chess was suddenly cleared of been a townie, when he still has the possibility of been Scum.
Sorry I'm trying to gain a full comprehension of what is going on in the game so I can actually be of some help.

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As if I'd deny it, my miller flavor is the same as Kairyuu's

If you don't mind, can you still post it?
@Kairyuu: Why do you believe I am scum?

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Numbers in this response will refer to your iso-post numbers.

2. Voting chesskid for being anti-town, which does not necessarily imply being scummy. No explanation given other than to rehash chesskid's actions.

7. Implying that you have now moved to desiring a chesskid lynch REGARDLESS OF ALIGNMENT. This screams scum worried about being hit by the ability.

8. A plausible alternative resulting in the scenerio you claim to WANT (chesskid being dead) happening, in ADDITION to the fact that town gets an extra lynch comparing to the lynch-chesskid option is proposed, and you voice disapproval. This implies that you care more about getting chesskid lynched than you do about removing him in the most pro-town way possible.

2 and 11 contain a direct contradiction. When the Jester idea is proposed you agree with it as a plausible scenerio, but once it becomes a source of suspicion you attempt to distance yourself from it by claiming to be "confused" about it directly to the proposer's face.

18. You blatantly disregard the fact that chesskid is now a COP CONFIRMED INNOCENT and ask why he isn't still under heavy pressure. This reads as "why are you guys shifting off of my easy mislynch, he's not even dead yet."

Alright, thank you. I can now defend myself.
2)I agree with you. Anti-town does not equal scum. But he was the best option for that time, wasn't he? He was determinant to town, but his play has better.
7)I was not the only one worried about the power Chesskid had even if he was town. Chesskid was very anti-town, and therefore he could use his power to eliminate two power roles that the town needed since it looked like he would decide who to pick with OMGUS. (Did I explain this enough?)
8) Eight refers back to my answer to 7. I felt that he wouldn't listen to the town about who to use his power on and vanilla who he wanted.
2 and 11) In my ISO post number 2, I stated that Chesskid is probably a jester if their could be one in OoT. I can't understand what I was confused by while re-reading Substriker post (the one I commented on in ISO 11). I was probably confused due to the amount of post coming and just got jumble up.

Oh wow, now I see what you mean about me trying to distance myself. That wasn't my intention to distance myself from bringing up jester been anti-town.
Now that I realize that, I would like to ask those who said Substriker was anti-town for bringing up the jester, why was I not called been anti town for the same thing?

18) I was confused at how Chess was confirmed as an innocent townie. Their were post saying that Nik was a night zero cop, which is why I was like, "How does that confirm Chess when we don't have a night zero?" Also I was just stating what I was trying to do with my previous post, trying to figure out the whole Chess = innocent now. Which I do understand now.

Unvote

I don't think I had unvoted earlier.

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LL, I thank god that you are in the game lol. You know your LoZ: OoT. I completely agree with you that the three goddess would be associated with an element.
Although I think Ganadorf would be align with dark/shadow, but that isn't really important.

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Ythan, I can see the reason for the vote in your first quote (post 1147)
I see Cupcake voted you because you were pushing for her lynch, when cup is town. The explanation is very simple and clear to be seen.

I don't see Lady Lam as scum. Nor do I understand why Cupcake is scum either. Its like anyone who claims will be called scum lol.
I think Cupcake was called scum for her claim been found on a site, a wiki site right? Is it so hard to believe that the mod wouldn't use a zelda wiki site to help them make a role and put flavor in it? I doubt the mods could make all the roles up and their flavor up by themselves.

Also I just like to ask, who here has actually played LoZ: OoT? Those people are going to be the ones who have some background knowledge of this game. Those people are going to be able to see connections between people roles and flavor.

Im getting a scum vibe from Ythan, but I believe thats because of his way of posting which is like I'm higher and smarter then you, so please just get in your corner and cry =/.

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Please do not misunderstand or misrepresent me.
I have read this thread, so Ythan please do not attack me unless its about my post.
The joke, was a joke. Nothing more, nothing less. Don't try to make it into something it isn't.
Yeah you wanna know why I didn't vote you Ythan? Because I voted Fate for the same reason in the SSBB mafia game, although he didn't get lynch, he turned out to be a Mason. I have to learn to avoid voting people because I don't like their play style, and get more onto evidence.
Also I will respond to post 11155 in my next post.

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Ythan, I can see the reason for the vote in your first quote (post 1147)
I see Cupcake voted you because you were pushing for her lynch, when cup is town. The explanation is very simple and clear to be seen.

That's not an explanation. Voting someone because you claim to be town and they vote for you is just OMGUS with a possible lie.

I don't see Lady Lam as scum. Nor do I understand why Cupcake is scum either. Its like anyone who claims will be called scum lol.

Why don't you explain why you are unconvinced by the cases instead of trying to lol them off.

I think Cupcake was called scum for her claim been found on a site, a wiki site right? Is it so hard to believe that the mod wouldn't use a zelda wiki site to help them make a role and put flavor in it? I doubt the mods could make all the roles up and their flavor up by themselves.

You're wrong as of the very first sentence and you need to read better.

Also I just like to ask, who here has actually played LoZ: OoT? Those people are going to be the ones who have some background knowledge of this game. Those people are going to be able to see connections between people roles and flavor.

Numerous times.

Im getting a scum vibe from Ythan, but I believe thats because of his way of posting which is like I'm higher and smarter then you, so please just get in your corner and cry =/.

Distancing from your own accusation. If you don't want me to to treat you that way then start acting smart.

1)That would have been your second wagon that you had pushed in Day 1 (Chess and Cupcakes), although I am in no position to say why Cupcake voted you, this is only what I saw. If someone was pushing my wagon, I then post my flavor, I would be tempted to vote them.

2)I have already agreed that I agreed with Lady post about the goddess been aquatic. Therefore I don't believe the case that revolve around them two sense its about flavor.

3)Wow, way to address the first sentence, and then not address anything else that I posted in that quote. I find it quite hard to believe that part of you was not voting Cupcake because of her flavor and you not believing in it. Your truly telling me that has nothing to do with your vote? Also, re-read that quote, so you can address the rest of it.

Pre-Edit: By voting, it would have eliminated the distancing would it not? In my eyes, which can be wrong so clear it up if I am, I saw your post saying pretty much "Then why aren't you voting me?"

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For shits and giggles I just did a google search for my role name, and near the top of the very first result was the quote that my role PM starts with, so I'd say that point against Cupcake is null.

I feel like an idiot for not doing that to see what the result would be x_x.

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1 How is it relevant that I attacked Chess, or are you somehow trying to attack my credibility? And you still didn't explain why you find her vote valid. Just because you would do it too doesn't make it valid. It's blatant omgus.

2 I don't know what you're saying here. I don't mean this in a mean way but is English your first language?

3 The whole quote was based on the proposition at the start, which I said was wrong. I'm not going to go through each clause and say "This is wrong because the beginning was wrong."

4 It would have but that's moot. You distanced, and not in your lack of vote. You distanced by backing off.

1) No I am not attacking your credibility, but I am saying that I believe Cupcake voted you because of the attack on Chess, then the attack on her/him self. By giving a reason, that vote becomes valid, doesn't it?

2)English is my first language, but I truly fail at English lol. I agree with Lady, therefore I don't agree with the cases on them.

3) The first sentence states a reason why Cupcake was called scum (I should have said reason). As you can tell now, the mods did use a wiki.

4)Well the distance is your opinion. I understand why its distancing though.

Edit: I would assume that verdant is in the game sense their been a role that says only verdant will not be affected by this power.

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Hinduragi replaces EvilPacman, effective now!

NO NOT Hind! Hind IS EVIL! Hind IS EVIL!

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So, here I was, starting my re-read. This is what I took in:

50 pages. 50 x 25 = 1250 posts.

It was an "Aww hell" moment. Then I went to the first page again, and saw the game had started 5 days ago. 5 days = 50 pages = 10 pages/day. This means, that, even if I catch up, I'm going to constantly be behind once I post and get off. Cut me some slack, people.

Now do you understand why I'm checking this thread like every 30 minutes.

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[quote=DTMaster]6. BL given this post on your stance on why you defended Chesskid Did you realize that both Cupcake and I offered ourselves to be vanillied up? It's a controlled situation. I don't mind the whole: Chesskid was anti-town based on gameplay, but this issue could have been solved so much easier. Stating that you are worried about chess' use of his power is null because the moment chess betrays the town we caught instant scum. The moment Chess vanillized people we have potential cleared townies (barring other weird roles like 3rd parties or multiple scum factions).[/quote]
I was posting that, that was my reason for keeping my vote on Chess. At the moment, Chess having that power was like OMG NO HE CAN HURT TOWN! It wasn't until much later that people started volunteering themselves for Chess to vaniliza them.

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I'm not vanillizing tonight, for like the nth time. If it ever gets to the point where you guys want me to vanillize, I'll vanillize chosen targets, but N1 odds are i'll hit two town.

I think thats the point. The two people who are asking for vanillize either have roles that fails, or a role that has a restriction on them or others.

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I'm not vanillizing tonight, for like the nth time. If it ever gets to the point where you guys want me to vanillize, I'll vanillize chosen targets, but N1 odds are i'll hit two town.

I think thats the point. The two people who are asking for vanillize either have roles that fails, or a role that has a restriction on them or others.

Didn't YOU offer to be vanillized?

No, I actually like my ability.

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I'm not vanillizing tonight, for like the nth time. If it ever gets to the point where you guys want me to vanillize, I'll vanillize chosen targets, but N1 odds are i'll hit two town.

I think thats the point. The two people who are asking for vanillize either have roles that fails, or a role that has a restriction on them or others.

Didn't YOU offer to be vanillized?

No, I actually like my ability.

Guys we found the SK

Why would you assume I'm a SK?
Why would you even think their a SK in this game?

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Lambda is town.
Cupcake is town.
Can we move on now? Is the rest of the town completely unwilling to see Ythan's scumminess?

I think Ythan scumminess is associated with his one liner play style.
Although I have made a note where he does avoid answer question, and instead attack the person who said it to discredit them and therefore their question will be irreverent.
Unless I have missed a case that you made on him, I'm leaning on Ythan been a null tell.

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KILL RECKAMONIC

Daykill: Reckamonic

o.o what?

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So whats the deal with GiS?
Do people want him lynch on a policy lynch because he is made up of Shotty and Gandalf?
Or are people voting for them due to the contradiction in agreeing with LLD, then voting her a few post later?
Can someone answer that, cause I'm leaning on people just wanting a policy lynch on GiS.

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So their three wagons. (Player - reasons I see)
Cupcake - Flavor that she released is crap, lurking, not posting content.
GIS - Policy Lynch of Shotty + Gandalf, contradiction in his post.
SubStriker - Voted for a lurker when he lurking.
LLD - Protecting Cupcake and Attacking those who attacked Cupcake.

Out of the 4 wagons, the only one that makes sense is LLD. But I don't agree with LDD wagon since she protecting flavor stuff which I agree with.
SubStriker wagon is stupid in my eyes. Unless I'm misunderstanding it, its pretty much votes consist of stop lurking.
GIS wagon, eh I don't like it, but I do see the contradictions and having Shotty out of the way is always a +.
Cupcake wagon is blah, I don't think I've been involved in enough game to understand flavor and how it Scum/Town related.

Vote: GIS

@Aikage: Why is your vote on Mafyuu when you want a lynch of Fate/Ythan?

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@Dekes:
Its true, I haven't said who I find suspicious or scummy. But I like to point out your contradiction. You say I haven't suspected anyone, but in that same sentence you say I suspected Ythan, but said I played that off. I suspected Ythan, I was given a reason why my suspicion was on him, due to his play style. Where have I fence sat? Was it during the LLD/Ythan debate? Because I swore I said that I agree with LLD, and I think I made one or two comments on it too. Lack of Scumhunt? That part is true. Which is why in my previous post I questioned Aikage, because I don't understand why someone ask, "Hey let get a wagon started on this person," But he doesn't vote for that said person. I'm not great at scum hunting, but I'm trying. Also, their are 28 players, and your saying I'm the only one who isn't scum hunting?
As for the wagons, I can understand why people are voting for LLD. I don't agree with it, but I can understand it. I don't have to agree with someone to understand another person argument. What I don't like about the GIS wagon is I believe people are putting up fluff reason instead of just out right saying its a policy lynch. I never said my reason were better to vote them, nor did I even give reason other then "Getting rid of Shotty is always +". So I'm curious to know what reason you are talking about? When did I attack anyone on the GIS wagon? I stated what that wagon was, nothing more nothing less.
On Chesskid, I asked for his powers. So i will give you that, I did rolefish.
On Zwet, I asked for his role pm so I can compare it to the previous one that was posted. Why was that bad? He had already claimed what he was, but unfortunately he posted a little more then I would have liked. So I refuse to give you the point for saying I was rolefishing on Zwet, as I was clearly not. I wanted to compare the miller text as their could be a difference between the previous posted one and Zwets that could lead us to find one scum. I thought that would be smart.

@GIS(Shotty): I know you hate me for that . But I feel comfortable with my vote on you, until someone who I find reeking of scum comes along. I wouldn't worry about anything though, I doubt my vote will stay on you enough for you to be lynch.

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@Dekes:
I think my read on Ythan is bias, because I really really do hate his play style. It really is very aggressive, with a bunch of one liners to just make the person he attacking give up all hope. I do not like that, and I know some players who play aggressive when they are scum. But he is getting discussion started, he is allowing people to take a stance which can later be looked at, he is attacking those he believe are scum. My suspicion of him been scum is outweighed by what he accomplishes. I see what your saying about my fencesitting though.
o.o Did you like miss that entire post? I just said I was starting to scum hunt starting with Akiage.
I did not know the deadline was in 72 hours, but I haven't found anything else to put my vote on (atm). Although that can change in those 72 hours.

Dekes your saying Cupcake is worst then Substrike, but your voting Substrike instead of Cupcake. Why?

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@Dekes: No, I have no reads on Aikage. He has made 5 or 6 post, most of them complaining about the thread and how big it is. But I made a mistake, his vote is on Ythan (kinda), He wanted to vote Ythan, but said he couldn't (for some reason) although he hasn't given any reason as to why he wanted to vote him. So new question to Aikage:

Why are you voting Ythan?

Overall, I think Aikage should stop lurking, so reads can be made on him.

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@Dekes: I believe knowing why people vote is always good, and can lead to if one is scum or town when looking at their ISO.

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Le Cupcake (2): Substrike22, Ythan, Untrod Tripod
Lady Lambdadelta (2): Blooderection
Mafuyu (1): "Fluffy", Aikage
Blooderection (1): mothrax
GandalfIzSik (11): KDub, zwetschenwasser, RayFrost, Fate, ABR, Le Cupcake, Lady Lambdadelta, Exilon, Bunnylover, jenniwren, Nikanor, Beefster
Nikanor (1): Mafuyu
Substrike22 (6): Hinduragi, chesskid3, DTMaster, JaBOC, Dekes, GandalfIzSik[/color]

Mods: I would like to know if the 11 on GIS' wagon here is accurate. I count 12 names.

I think Zwet doesn't have a vote.

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Checked it, and Zwet vote does not count.

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Two more pages till we break the record, will we succeed or will we fail?

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It would make sense for the witches to be lovers, as one of them committed suicide.
I would assume that if their are two other witches, The earth and air one, then they would also be lovers.

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Sorry about my nubness, but what does PGO mean?

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Is it possible for an action to be redirect to a mod?
I'm confused as to how the rollout was moved to someone who is not in the game D:.
Unless that is something common?

@Beefster, if Kairyuu used the power the previous day, can't you tell us what the shift is? If you aimed at person X and for some reason it hit Person A, wouldn't that lead us to knowing the shift is between two numbers?

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Is it possible for a shift to be changing ever day?
Like last day it was a -13 shift, today could it be a +3 shift?

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Actually I think we need to get everyone to vote on their own wagon (to self vote)
That way we can see who already doesn't have a vote + we get to see who loses the votes instead of you trying to continue hitting a random wagon :<.
Yes or no to this?

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I think PGO (From what I heard) kills anyone who uses a skill on them, which if their is a shift then that skill would have not been used on said PGO.

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Yeah I know you suggested it, which is why I'm rebringging it up because it will allow us to know if the shift is one of three things:
1) A shift that is always activated and continual
2) A shift that is changing
3) A shift that the same but can be activated whenever
If we continue with you just randomly attacking a wagon hopeing to see a hit, it may takes ages for it to happen. If we have people voting others, then you will hit someone much more early on.

Vote: Bunnylover

I would really like it if everyone just follows suit and vote themselves or anyone who doesn't have a vote so we can get this information down.

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It should be noted that in the most recent vote count, BE seems to have lost his double vote?

I don't remember that Be had a double vote :<

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Chesskid, do you have any reason to support the Dekes claim?
LLD, thanks for pointing that out, I'm surprised I didn't notice it.
Aikage: Fate and Ythan (I think I can safely say) always act like that, their buddying. I don't think they would act so freaking buddying that you have to be a moron to miss their buddying. Am I saying that Ythan is not scum? No I am not saying that, but nor am I saying he is town. What I'm saying is that something else to needs to brought forward other then Fate + Ythan buddying, as I truely believe they are just good friends.

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Nope. Never mind that.

There is, in fact, a shift. Good to know.

rawr we know their is a shift, we don't know what it does.
And it seems like the roll fail as I see everyone still have their vote :<

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o.o wtf is going on.
Why are people saying their is no shift?
Beefster hasn't hit anyone.
THAT MEANS THEIR IS A SHIFT!!!!!!
Wtf is wrong with you people <_<.
Beefster powers knocks the players votes from a wagon. No one has lost their vote. That means either we missed a double voter, or the roll attacked failed to hit a wagon.

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Jmj are you saying that you don't know who your power is targeting, other then the fact that it does target?
Or are you just trying to start a random discussion?

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Bunnylover are you saying you haven't been posting because you are being a worthless lurking scumbag?
Or are you just deliberately avoiding posting worthwhile information out of laziness?

That wasn't nice .
I said nothing about my post, so I don't know how you've come to the conclusion of asking your questions =/.
We are still trying to clarify the shift business and until we do that, we can't really continue the actions we want to continue (that is having Exilion use his day cop ability).
We can simply ignore the shift and just continue the day without Exilion using his ability, but that wouldn't be the best course of action.
If I had any worthwhile information to share with you all, I would post it so we have something to focus on while we wait for Beefster to hit someone and tell us what the shift is. The sad part is, I have nothing to share.
I guess I could comment on the frog situation, but at best this would be speculation. I am kinda worried that the frog is going to mess up the person investigation and give a pre-made result already to whoever Exilion investigate. But thinking about it, that wouldn't make sense why the word snitch it used, which leads me to believe that the frog is going to tell us who Exilion investigates in case he tries to give us a result (Ex: Exilion investigates LLD, gets scum,, but for some reason decides to say he investigated Rayfrost). That is what i think the frog does.

Just wondering, why don't we have Exilion use his ability on Substrike to see if he scum or town when we figure out the shift (I guess use the ability on the person who would make the shift move it to Substrike). Wouldn't that be the best course of actions so we don't mislynch again?

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Oh btw, RayFrost why did you question me when we have about 20 other players who haven't posted in quit a while?

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Is everyone pretty aware that having him at least try today is better than just totally not using his ability at all?

The problem is if we don't figure out the shift, we don't know what his result reflect upon D:.

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Shift is either down ten or up fifteen.

Wouldn't it be up fourteen and down 10?
The rolling attack makes me lose my powers and my vote for today correct?
I would go down 10, because I like the number 10 more then 14.
But I agree with the two choices, either Nikanor or Substrike to be invistigate.

[Bunnylover]

@Dekes: He's answered the question of why he wanted to vote Ythan. He didn't personally answer me, but he did answer. His reason is off, he believes that they were buddying to the max. I think the buddying was too obvious to be an actual scum tell, but at least he gave his reason. I still have a null tell on Akiage, I do not like the lurking part that he is doing, but I do not find lurking = scum.

I am in support of a Substrike investigation. If he is town, we do not want to mislynch him. If we have the opportunity to prove what his alignment is, then I think we should do it. Nikanor I honestly think can wait till the next day, or something.
Also, based on yesterday investigation, and what we believe the shift is, do you think you can tell us who you believe you got your result on?

[Bunnylover]

When you fight Twinrova... You need to kill the sisters seperately.

Once you do this, they form Twinrova..:

After a few hits to each sister, they form into one boss -- Twinrova.

So, this raises the question: is there a person in the game who could end up being released into power as Twinrova? (under the assumption that Chrono is not lying about not being released from the sealed realm yet.)

I think that Fate and his partner (forgot who that player was), had the power to form together into Twinrova and separate at will.
Since someone killed them while they were in their individual form, they didn't get the chance to use that power.
Or I thought of this
They each have an extra live, after been targeted by a kill and losing their life, they form together to form Twinrova. This would fix in with after getting hit they would form together. If this theory is true, the two night actions must have been used on it.
The second theory fits better with what you posted, but the first theory makes more sense. Sorry I can't come up with something more solid.

[Bunnylover]

It is not stretching it to say that the 3 childhood bosses are all miller. As it was Link who invaded their space and therefore the bosses were just defending themselves, so they can be seen as enemies, but not truely villians. This would fit perfectly in the "miller" field.
The adult bosses are villains as they must be defeated, so they are more then likely a scum fraction. The two witches are the Spirit Temple boss, which means their should be at least 5 bosses left. Those would be Ganon, Bongo Bongo, Dead Hand, Morpha, Volvagia, and Phantom Ganon. Since the witches flipped and the mod colored them orange, that means they are not town. Orange = Boss Scums for me now.
Now this is just speculation, but normally mafia are colored red. This can be totally off, but I believe their is another scum fraction out their. Unless the mod of this game just commonly doesn't uses red as mafia. The only problem is that I can't think of another group that work as scum. I was thinking maybe another fraction could be like the regular enemies Link faces or the mini-bosses Link fights such as Dark link, the Poe Sisters, BigOcto, and FlareDancer.

[Bunnylover]

The people I replaced did nothing?

Why is Fate dead????? Reviver type role that is in this game please revive him. Like now if it's possible.

Who is responsible of the shift? Let us know or at least make the shift be 0. if this is th same role like in RMMMMMM than please help the town. Even if you are cum or whatever.

Let me get this straight. You want to revive a Copblocker Plant Killer?
This is LoZ: OoT, the two witches were evil and since this game is flavor based that would make them evil as well, or in other words scum. Even if they are neutral, they are no way beneficially to the town, he is obviously Anti-Town since he is a Copblocker.
I am quit confused as to how you are assuming this role as neutral, when their is nothing to give the assumption of that?
Also why do you need Fate alive to scum hunt?
Why do you believe we have a Reviver in the game?
Wouldn't it make more sense if we had a reviver to revive a townie player?

[Bunnylover]

Oh I see. I thought that yellow was for neutrals because they didn't appear to be from the same faction.

It makes sense now. Yeah reviver only revive people who you think are dead townies. What's with the shift anyway?

I think the shift is been caused by an anti-town player, otherwise I'm more then sure if a townie was causing the shift, they would already out them selves so we could figure out exactly what the shift is.

[Bunnylover]

Just to be clear, why are people finding BE scummy all of a sudden? I Iso'd him and he wasn't posting things that were different from what he was posting yesterday.

Also, reading over the vote counts, since we determined that there was a -10 shift (that was what was determined, yes?, I'm reading exilon's iso), doesn't that give Exilon's read on LLD a starting point? Problem is, Exilon, if you -10 LLD you end up off the list and either on the Mod or the Deku Tree, both of which are town. How does that work out?

Also, who'd you end up "targeting" the second time, for today?

The shift from today and yesterday are different I believe.
Also I'm pretty sure people had found BE scummy yesterday as well.

[Bunnylover]

I'm speculaing his lack of a vote only extends to players who are not his target.

Note that he has refused to vote for either of you or BE, desire not having a vote. I think he's hiding that stipulation of his "votelessness".

Another possible theory is that he can only vote when hammering his target.

:O I was reading mafia wiki and their is a role called the actress which makes it so that you can only vote when your the hammer. But since we've seen him vote, but just not have a vote that can't be possible.
I am in support of Aikage claiming. I am also disliking what Chesskid is doing. I do not like it when people are somewhat "confirmeish" and then act however they want. I am thinking that Chesskid is a jester, his play this day just makes me want to vote him, but if he is a jester I know I can't do that as he would win.

So what are the result of the investigation?

[Bunnylover]

I think that chess's play makes sense within the context of his value as a player. I see no reason to think that he is a jester.

I think I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt, and hoping that his play is due to his role.

[Bunnylover]

Unvote

Although it doesn't matter since I have no vote.

[Bunnylover]

You fucking moron. You actually inspected the guy who was a CONFIRMED SAGE i.e. NOT A BOSS? I'm glad we wasted all that time for you to botch another inspection.

Also, I don't get the "Aikage must claim" sentiments. If he's going to screw us over with role actions, he'd have already had a night to do that.

Unvote. Vote: Substrike.

I'm not sure what that puts him at, but I'm ready to end the day now.

I am confused. He investigated Substrike. Substrike turned out to be not a Boss scum. You say he is a confirmed Sage. You then vote this confirmed sage.
Explain.

[Bunnylover]

Confirmed to be a sage. Sages are a neighborhood. Since there are so many of them, as well as a mason group, we're pretty sure at least one neighbor is scum.

I think I misread his post then, but I would still like him to explain it.

[Bunnylover]

Confirmed to be a sage. Sages are a neighborhood. Since there are so many of them, as well as a mason group, we're pretty sure at least one neighbor is scum.

I think I misread his post then, but I would still like him to explain it.

You may want to clarify what you're asking before he gets around to answer, then, because it looks to me like you're asking why one would want to lynch a not-confirmed player. Answer, he's scummy.

Well I read it as he was saying Substrike is a confirmed sage (which I was thinking means confirmed town, which it doesn't). He then votes Substrike, after saying he was confirmed. So why would you vote a person who is confirmed?
I think I misread his post.

[Bunnylover]

Bunnylover:
Based on the fact that Exilon's role specifically finds BOSS-SCUM and not just regular scum, I am assuming that there are two scum teams.
I am saying that Exilon is an idiot for inspecting Substrike because Substrike has claimed a Sage. This can be confirmed by five other people, so I doubt it is true. Do you remember a Sage-boss in OoT? No? That means that Substrike is not part of the boss-scum. Are you following me? It's about to get difficult here, and I want to make sure you have your brain wrapped around this crazy concept.
Just because Substrike is not of one scum team does not mean that he is not of another scum team.

Preview edit: He's role-confirmed. Confirmed to be a sage.

:< Didn't have to be mean about it.
But after Ythan explained it to me, that is what I assumed.

[Bunnylover]

1. Bunny I find this odd. Here in terms of what you are saying. I've shown that I've been drumming up questions AND participating in the shift (by starting it and bringining up the fact that there was one noted yesterday and stopping the LL/Exlion debate. Why can't you do both?

2. Exlion makes a good point about Boss-Cop. The only useful results should be guilities (since it's likely that he's sane based on the -13 shift Nikanor pointed out earlier)

3. Beefster's post here reads somewhat scummy for one reason alone.

a. Double voting status is not a scummy argument. This is role speculation either on BE or another person that could cause an extra vote. Therefore this argument reminds me of the role argument that Beefster used on GIS

where he's arguing that the role is a valid argument for one's scumminess, but it's not. It's just a role and those are independent of alignment at face value

b. I'd like examples of Fence sitting plz. Your lack of motivation to put effort in your own case is hurting the case in itself. The vote on LL is a valid point though, but the noise of point a = bad. It gives me mixed signals.

4. Rayfrost had a brain fart. I believe page 97 he said that the shift was confirmed to be changing per day. Page 98 = -10 on Day 1. This is weird.

5. Deke's point on Substrike is weird. I don't like the more information stance (but I've seen VIs use it in Brr mafia which made me a day 1 lynch just because a VI townie decided that more information was better then scummy read >>;;). I'd expect Deke to say that he finds Substrike the scummiest, not the most useful in terms of information. This bugs me.

6. Chrono: The shift is a variable amount. This was proven today since it differs from yesterday. Using knowledge of Ozmodar as our base hypothesis is still more useful then saying: Screw day action analysis

7. I just realized something: The frog is likely a day action therefore my original points are null unless X person knows what the shift is/is unaffected by the shift. :S. They were aiming elsewhere, the premise that they were aiming Exlion is slightly flawed. This is my paranoia getting to me now.

Stopping again. Whew.

I've asked some question, well at least 2 question directed at Aikage and 1 at Nikanor. I am trying to do both. But can you explain what exactly you find odd about my post you linked?
I can't find your post where you linked the game.

[Bunnylover]

@DTMaster: I forgot to comment on your comment of my theory. I agree with you about the Reviver thing. I am thinking that Fate and Ja had the ability to form together, and their must be some kinda power awesome ability to make them want to do that, which is why Chrono doesn't have a power because the Twin didn't die, they died separate. I am also thinking about what RayFrost said I think, I can't remember who said it, about Twin still been in the game. The only problem with that theory is should we think that Twin would have her own role.

[Bunnylover]

Kdub, you brought up an excellent point.
The only person who should know of the shift is the person who controls the shift.
That been said, how the hell did a frog land on Exilion, the Boss-Cop?
That means either:
1) The frog came from the person who has the shift and therefore knows where to aims.
2) The frog is a scum power as well as the shift is part of scum power.
3) The person who controls the frog doesn't know what they are doing and just randomly used it.
Did I miss an option?

And I just realized that LLD beat me to this post =/.
LLD, why GOHMA? I know its just speculation, but their must be some kinda logic or reason used to come to him been in control of the frog.

[Bunnylover]

Yes I do.
Although I think the person who did the Chicken attack, is the one who is responsible for the frog attack. Otherwise, I wonder why their wasn't a frog used yesterday, unless the frog won't be activated unless it on a person with a day action.
Preview Edit: I wish you haven't said that possible outcome (of the miller faking), as now I don't believe the person who is GOHMA will come out as that player will think they are at risk of been lynched, although the pro-townie thing would be to come and if you are the one who controlled the frog.

[Bunnylover]

Didn't I say the shift doesn't affect me since I am blind and immune to redirection? Yet no one mentions that possibility when speaking of the frog. Also, how do we get that the person responsible for the frog is anti-town?

Everything so far is just speculation.
I completely forgot that you mentioned you were blind, does this mean your claiming the frog use?

[Bunnylover]

Also, I love that Exilon's guilty verdict has just slipped into the back of conversation. We have a guilty verdict on someone who's claiming to be a mason, and talks of potential shifts aside, no one else finds that worth discussing? I've tried several times to bring it up. I love that we're taking bully-nik, random flavor spec LL, and flaky-as-me Cupcake at their words as masons with a guilty read "on" one of them. No, you're right, let's just lynch an inactive lurker and leave the town with just as little information today as we had yesterday.

It's hard to not be a bully when I have to explain everything five fucking times.
THERE IS A SHIFT. EXILON'S INSPECTION HIT KAIRYUU, THE CLAIMED BOSS-MILLER. MAYBE IF YOU WEREN'T LURKING AT THE TIME WE DISCUSSED THIS TWO WEEKS AGO, YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE DISCUSSION. WE ARE NOT GETTING BACK INTO THIS.

Unvote. Vote: Kdub.

Like srsly.

Well if this is true, then why the hell were we worried about hitting the mod? If you count from Chesskid to Kairyuu you get -10 shift. Today is also a -10 shift, so I am assuming that the shift is constant.

[Bunnylover]

The shift is not a fucking constant you fool. Try fucking READING. It's been CONFIRMED that the shift yesterday was different to the shift today (by Kairyuu/Beefster's role ability).

When you've had enough of trying to frame me and Nik, maybe you will find the time to pay attention, and not misdirect and waste town's time.

=/ why do people get so rude over a game.
Let me ask you this, when did I ever say that You or Nik were scum? I have not said it once, in fact I have agreed with you for most of this thread because I find you very townie, and frankly you are right about a lot of things.
Although I did make a mistake, I thought Exilion had targeted Chesskid, when in fact it was Nikanor who said he had sane information that Chesskid was town and we all just assumed he was a Night zero cop or day cop, so I do apologize for that. Exilion had targeted you. He got a boss result, we know that due to the shift that isn't the result for you.
The only reason I can think of that would make you think I was accusing you or Nikanor is if the shift yesterday was -14, so before I go any further what was the shift yesterday?

[Bunnylover]

The shift is not a fucking constant you fool. Try fucking READING. It's been CONFIRMED that the shift yesterday was different to the shift today (by Kairyuu/Beefster's role ability).

When you've had enough of trying to frame me and Nik, maybe you will find the time to pay attention, and not misdirect and waste town's time.

=/ why do people get so rude over a game.
Let me ask you this, when did I ever say that You or Nik were scum? I have not said it once, in fact I have agreed with you for most of this thread because I find you very townie, and frankly you are right about a lot of things.
Although I did make a mistake, I thought Exilion had targeted Chesskid, when in fact it was Nikanor who said he had sane information that Chesskid was town and we all just assumed he was a Night zero cop or day cop, so I do apologize for that. Exilion had targeted you. He got a boss result, we know that due to the shift that isn't the result for you.
The only reason I can think of that would make you think I was accusing you or Nikanor is if the shift yesterday was -14, so before I go any further what was the shift yesterday?

First off, sorry. I thought you were Substrike for some reason(wasn't paying attention) and I was tired of his constant "we have a guilty on LL! Why not her?" >.< The result cop revieved was not on me, but on Kairyuu, a claimed miller, so to clairify, no, we don't have a guilty on me. I shouldn't have yelled though...

Secondly, I'm fairly sure the shift yesterday was -15? It's such that it went from me to hit Kairyuu/Beefster.

Ok then that make sense.

[Bunnylover]

I am typing as I read.
@DTM: I've also questioned how in the hell did the frog user know how to target Exilion. When I question, I believe jmj came in and reminded us that he was blind. I think he is in control of the frog, otherwise why remind us your blind or even tell us your blind?

You know what, JmJ why did you tell us your blind?

Ah so you were the one who said Twinrova was still in the game. The only reason I don't think this is true is because in the game it is not a separate person. This is like saying that Ganon human form is in the game, and Ganon giant montser form (the one where you have to hit his tail) is in the game too. Although Twinrova coming back, could be possible, but how exactly would that happen? It would be pretty cool to have a mechnaic like that, but because Twinrova would be a scum role (assuming), it just doesn't make sense to revive it.
And that how it make sense. I really don't know what to say about that, obviously we will just have to wait for a replacement to come in (a forced one), obviously if Fate comes back its going to be really obvious with the way he acts and plays. As of now, I think this theory is the most likely to happen if they couldn't form together, but still have separate accounts (Only at night do they act as one).

[Bunnylover]

Vote BE

I do not understand his tunneling of LLD. He either has information on LLD that we do not, he needs LLD to die for some reason, he isn't reading the thread.
He has disappeared from the game as Beefster pointed out. And as I stated yesterday, I am not in support of a Substrike lynch.

[Bunnylover]

Okay, this is disturbing.

To tally up the people I don't like on each wagon, here yah go:

ABR - virtual noncontributor in any way, lurking, has had his vote parked for pretty much the entire day, overalluseless. Vigbait, but not lynch worthy.

vezok - has shown a blatant noncontributing stance towards playing and is merely playing follow the town without actually doing anything. Same as above

bunnylover - Of all the players in this game, I'd be most likely to believe that bunny is a scumbudy of sub (assuming sub-scum) due to some blatant connections. As I noted in my first reread post, sub hadn't come in for a while but defends bunylover when he does. Bunnylover has declared a lack of support for lynching substrike and votes on the alternative wagon as soon as possible while coattailing his reasons off of somebody else. Actually... probscum, should be lynched or vig'd soon.

Top three that ping me at the moment, it's in reverse order, though.

I will admit, I am coatailing off of Beefster reasoning at the moment. It is only because a real case can't be provided on BE, without having similar connections to one another. The main point about BE that I do not like is his tunneling of LLD, even though nothing has proven her as scum, she is a confirmed mason, she is a PGO which means BE can't say he voting her for the Cop claim since their was a shift and if she was targeted the cop would be dead (cop as in Boss Cop). I was going to vote him for just the lurking status, but withheld my vote because I don't find that strong enough for a vote. Also my vote doesn't count at the moment, but after thinking I feel that is no reason to not vote.
I am opposed to Substrike lynch, as of the moment. I do not find his case strong, I do not like the case on him, and I don't see the connections of him been scum by the reasons been stated. During Day 1, I voted GIS, and I thought I made clear that I was policy lyching them because I hate Gandalf + Shotty (Look at Polygmasit mafia if you want to know why; no offense though). Also I didn't buy GIS claim.
What exactly would you want me to do? I do not support Substrike lynch, so should I vote no lynch instead? Should I not go to town and my next suspicion list? Should I throw away my vote? What do you want me to do, vote Substrike even though I am against his wagon?
I really dislike the whole, "If this person flips scum that so means this person is scum," theories. I know my alignment, I have to assuming what everybody else's alignment is, so I may be defending scum without knowing it, I may be defending town which is what I'm hoping I'm doing.
Also where did Substrike defend me? I iso'ed him, and I don't see where he defended me.
And yes, I am a very defensive player.

[Bunnylover]

Do the people who were vanlized want to come out?
Werid that their are 4 deaths today (not counting the suicide as a death), when yesterday their was only 2.

[Bunnylover]

Substrike22 [BETH],

Poe Cheating Even-Night Strongman

, killed N2
Nikanor [DIN],

Goddess Mason Non-Water Paranoid Gun Owner

, killed N2

It seems pretty obvious to me that Substrike targeted Nikanor last night. It's the only night action that makes sense given the deaths and flips we saw.

I'm not so sure the vanillaized players should claim. It informs the scum by telling them who not to target. Should we put it to a vote?

As far as the scum factions go, we know we have a "boss" faction and apparently a "poe" faction. In the game, there are 4 poe sisters, so there are probably 4 poe scum. Not counting the childhood bosses or Ganondorf, there are 5 bosses, one of which is Twinrova. Twinrova is certainly a boss and there is nothing special about them game flavor-wise, so I don't understand the talk of her being 3rd party or separate from the rest of the boss scum. Also, a pair of lovers as an SK without kill immunity seems impossible to win with, so I doubt it's a role. It wouldn't surprise me to see a "boss" scum faction of 5-6 players with two of them being lovers, and maybe some other disadvantages to make things balanced.

Going to reread Substrike later today.

I take my post back, we shouldn't have them claim. I wasn't even thinking that scum would use that information to not target those players, I was thinking that if we get those who are vanilized to claim, someone else later on won't claim that they have no powers (Probably a ninja role).
And the more its discussed, the more it sounds like Twinrova is still alive.

[Bunnylover]

RayFrost [RUTO],

Sealed Water Sage

aka

Super Commuter Temporary Lovestriking Sage

, killed N2
Substrike22 [BETH],

Poe Cheating Even-Night Strongman

, killed N2

So that's 2 neighbours dead.

I'm the third, we can assume that there's one <orange?> scum member left in the four sages that remain. 1/4. 25%. sounds like average odds for a large game anyway. So scumhunt at large, don't ask for me to out the others.

Um.... why is one of the 4 Poe sisters from the forest temple being considered a sage?

If you guys have anyone else as a Poe Sister in that group, I'd advise you to out them now...

I'm interested in hearing what Substrike's claim was to you guys in your QT?

Substrike claimed he was Rauru in the game thread.
Are we to assume that all scum have a fake claim?

[Bunnylover]

Kdub, you realized that I had no vote yesterday right?
Yes, its true I was saying that if Exilion got a innocent from him(don't think I implied it, I believe I was saying it), he would be excluded from scum. Were we 100 percent sure that another scum fractions were out their? No. Which means until something shows that they are in fact different scum fractions, I am not going to vote someone who is cleared by one of our investigation ones, assuming their are more then one.
I was opposed to the Substrike lynch since day 1. I won't hide that fact, as I feel the reason he was been attacked was for active lurking, and I don't find lurking a scum tell since both town and scum do it. Because I was opposed to his lynch, I wanted an investigation to be done for two facts: 1) He was the one who was on the verge of been lynch, so why not find out if he is town or not to see if we can avoid a mislynch. 2) I didn't find the reason he was been attacked for good for a scum read. Although as I said before both town and scum lurk/active lurk, my inexperience on this forum may have me avoiding lynching scum.

[Bunnylover]

Along comes bunny reeking of scum. Now I've got another person to read.

I should so stop trying to defend myself, seriously .-.
I said "I guess my inexperience on this site."
That does not mean I don't know how to play scum, Sk, town, survivor, jester, or any other role given to me. What I don't know is the tactic people use on this site to find those roles that are against town.

[Bunnylover]

so your case on Beefster is that he is trying to distance himself from the GIS lynch by lieing about his reason for been on the wagon?
Sorry I got kinda lost in your posts.

[Bunnylover]

Tomorrow if 3 townies all die, then we only need 3 scum to quick hammer, then 2 as the lynch threshold reaches 0. I just realized we have a serious dilemma actually since Nameloc has 5 self votes now.

In most game that I have played in with two or more scum fractions (right now we know Poe and Boss scum teams), the scum team only wins when they are the only team left. That means even if 3 townies die tomorrow, the game ending isn't clear and everyone still has a chance to win since both scum fractions would be trying to eliminate each other then the town.

I am thinking about your Beefster case.

Also I find this very strange. JmJ did take responsibility for the frog (ISO him and its post number 43).
Their is a frog today. That means either someone has the ability to use the power of the dead or a group is in control of the frog. Leaning on the first idea that someone has the power to use the dead power.

[Bunnylover]

Aikage why would you tell us that you have information about this and that which is beneficial to the town, but don't share it?
I have been in games where one person has done this, and they turned out to be scum (although it was a bastard game).

I don't think you need to claim (although it would help), but you do need to explain your actions.

[Bunnylover]

Beefster I'm conflicted on.
I was giving him town credit for yesterday, as he was using his powers in a very pro town method. He was helping us find out what the shift was, and therefore if he was scum then he wouldn't want to do that. With the known fact of two scum fractions, he could be on the opposing scum fractions that isn't controlling the shift (because the shift is still around correct?), but I don't believe that.
DTM brings up a point about Beefster day 1 and his contridictions at the moment, but I've been lynched as townie for having not a straight forward answer to why my vote is where. What I'm saying is that I won't be on Beefster wagon for the reason DTM has brought up.
Overall: I am still leaning town on Beefster.

[Bunnylover]

@DTM: Maybe it was just the way he posted it, but what you said wasn't what I got from his posting which is why I asked him to explain further instead of just voting him. I'm giving him a chance instead of just making him claim, since if his role is awesome obviously scum would want that gone. If his explanation is enough, then we won't need his claim and we can keep scum guessing.
Although I will say this DTM, I think you over reacted to what has happened today. Other then one or two votes (I think), this wagon is a completely pressure wagon to get a quote claim from Aikage, not a this guy is scum wagon. I highly doubt that Aikage would be lynched today or soon.
But I kinda feel like something is wrong here. I am assuming that scum have fake claims, just look at Substrike. He claimed a sage, had a fake claim role, and quoted his role here. I feel that someone was going to bring this up the moment Aikage claimed and push for an actual lynch on him and convince someone to vote him before the pressure votes can be taken off.

@Kdub:
I think I mentioned BE earlier in Day 1, not too sure though. Their are only so many reason a person can give to be on a lynch. If an another person makes a case and I agree with those reasoning, I'm going to say so. I also gave my own reasons as well. Also from Day 1 I was calling Substrike town, why you may ask, because I thought he was. What can I say about the investigation thing? Their was no proof or evidence that their was a second scum fraction, other then speculation from myself. LLD, and Ythan and possible others.

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@DTM: I wanted Aikage to explain his actions, claiming would get some of the pressure off of him so we can view other things. I am not voting him because it has plus sides if he doesn't claim that I've mentioned before. All I wanted was for him to explain his actions, why post what he posted when we would have limited information to help him with if his reason for posting what he did was to get help about understanding his role.
Oh wow I didn't think of number 2. I actually like that reasoning, and agree with you.
Still think your reactions is a little big to a pressure wagon (other then Beefster who actually voted for Aikage for scum)

Vote: Beefster

This may be our best lynch for the today. it will answer the question about rather or not the sages target are in fact scum or if its a town v.s. town situation to gain power.
I know see what DTM been talking about. Beefster had called GIS scum and scummy. Now its a policy lynch. Isn't that distancing? DTM also makes another good point about Aikage. He already expressed his concern about Fate been scum, which would make sense why he targeted it (the same with ythan).
I may add more to the reasoning on the beefster vote, right now I have my mind going different ways making it hard to focus on one thing.

[Bunnylover]

I'm fairly sure that we don't have a town vs. town situation, given the claimed targets of the sages so far. Not entirely sure how a Beefster lynch would answer the question anyway.
Honestly, Beefster feels... faily towny to me, especially gaining points for the shift analysis... but I'm hesitant to call him a full town-read.
Aikage, however, has been stalling his claim having softclaimed for far too long, and needs to do so. An Aikage wagon is the way forward.

Vote: Aikage

I'm not sure why, but I thought several of the sages kill needed to be the ones who are childhood bosses like Beefster. As I'm thinking, do we know who each of the sages need to lynch or kill in order to unseal? Something tells me its been posted here, but I don't know where it is or if it even been posted here and I speculated who they needed to kill.

You can't legitimately make any accusations regarding Dodongo/Ghoma/Barinade until Ghoma or Saria dies. What bothers me is Chrono's point about Ghoma unsealing Saria, while the others are attached to the adult bosses. I think that's a stronger hint that Saria is scum, not that Ghoma exists and is scum.

FoS: DTMaster

This struck me the most in Beefster recent post. Enough to question my vote on him.

[Bunnylover]

Thanks AKR.
Also, wasn't Knight of Cydonia the hammer, could have sworn AKR has previously stated Aikage was at L-1?

Vote count

[Bunnylover]

I doubt that Zwet full claimed.

This.
To me it seems like he just copy and pasted the important parts.

[Bunnylover]

Aikage I am a little confused.
What did you target Fate with? I am reading your role, and see nothing that you can target a player with.

Also have you decided who you are going to give your invention to for today? You should have one if Biggoron died Day 2, Night 2 you should have used Collection Studying, meaning you have an invention to give today with Goron Collection.

[Bunnylover]

Oh ok, so Aikage doesn't have to identify what his invention are to use his invention and give them.
Therefore he tried to give one to Fate and Aikage believed he caused his death, and I guess he tried to give the same one to Ythan which is why he believes Ythan is confirmed townie. Is that right, or can someone explain it (its early in the morning for me).

[Bunnylover]

Well Aikage should use his second power to see what he tried to give Ythan. Maybe Ythan did get something, but he himself doesn't even know that he recieved something. Like maybe one of his invention is invisible or something, i don't know what his power can do or possesses.

[Bunnylover]

@Kdub: It would be scummy if his powers were used at different times. He gives an invention away during the Day, at night he can unlock his invention and description.
And because of this, his powers are affected by the shift (at least the one with given the invention away).
@Aikage: Who did you target Day 1, Day 2, and Day 3 with your ability? I know we already said it, but I want to hear it from you again. So far its been Day 1 - Fate. Day 2 - Ythan, Day 3 - xxxx (might be good not to say Day 3 who you gave an invention to). Also, did you receive any information about the invention you gave when they received it? By confirming who you gave, we can ask the right people to see if they got the invention or not (Shift).

[Bunnylover]

If you think about it, if Aikage tried actioning at night with a day ability... then lols....... oh gawd..... ><;;;.

At first reading I was like "What?"
Re-read it -facepalm-
Aikage did you try to use your Day ability at Night ._.?
If you did, then its not too late to confirm your role.

[Bunnylover]

In DTM rage post, he does make sense.
Aikage has claimed. Why is it that the only people who are commenting on it are DTM and Myself? DTM didn't want a claim from Aikage, I believed that his actions needed to be explained further which a full claim would help but not needed if he can explain. Everyone else who were pushing for the lynch of Aikage for scum reason (yes I know their were some of you pushing for thinking Aikage was scum) have gone silent and haven't commented on his claimed.
You haven't said your pre-claimed analyze was wrong, everything make sense, or anything.

[Bunnylover]

Aikage, there are Day and Night time actions. You give an invention away during the

day

not the night. Meaning if you tried to use your invention giving away power during night, it will not work.
You can still give someone an invention this day, all you have to do is pm the mod and say who I would assume.

[Bunnylover]

I can't help but feel Aikage might have made a slip in his claim and people are giving him a convenient way out.

Explain how its a slip and don't just call it a slip.

We COULD go with a beefster wagon, but there are much better ones out there... zwet and bunnylover are two such wagons.

Bunnylover has been scummy this entire game.

Care to explain.

[Bunnylover]

"I gave stuff to Ythan last night!"
Ythan: "I don't got nothin'"
Certain other people: "Oh, he just forgot it was a Day action, probably. Is that what you did, Aikage?"

It's leading the witness.

But how is it a scum slip?
To me it would be an your a damn idiot slip.
Also its easily confirmable (his role that is) as long as Aikage doesn't name who he is given his invention to today as he still has the option to give out an invention. The chances of Aikage unknown target dieing during the night is not impossible but close to it.

[Bunnylover]

I'm working on something really cool right now! But I think it's going to take a while... If you can wait five or six years, it should be ready. OK?

Welcome to Ocarina of Time Mafia,

Aikage

. You are

Medigoron

. You run a small blacksmith shop on Death Mountain... though it’s not as good as your brother’s. And you can make some cool things... though they’re not as good as your brother’s. In fact, you know what? You’re tired of being compared to your brother! If you step up and help fight against the evil in Hyrule, maybe you’ll be recognized as a hero...and then people can stop comparing you to your goddamn brother!

This flavor doesn't sit right with me. Take away the last sentence and it is a scum role pm....
my vote stands

But it make sense as a miller claim.

[Bunnylover]

If he's a miller, why wouldn't he claim it? There's no reason not to.

And BTW, I was making a point about KoC making a crap argument and later reinforcing why I thought it was crap. I hadn't really thought of it as defending vezok, even though that's what it ended up being.

For some reason I thought he was one of the people who claimed miller ._.

[Bunnylover]

also io found 1 more scum!

What do you mean, how is it a scumslip?
Aikage, when asked to claim, details his role, including his

Day

action. Then when asked what he's done, says he gave Ythan something

last night

. Okay, I can see that it could (and in fairness, based on Aikage's play, has a good probability of it) be an idiotic mistake. But it's still contradicting his claim. Either he didn't give anything to Ythan due to it being a Day action attempted at night, which, if confirmed, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on for now, or he just flatout didn't give anything to Ythan because this is a scum fake-claim.
I'm just throwing it out there, I'm not saying OMG EVERYONE POINTING THIS OUT AND HELPING AIKAGE IS SCUM, as Lady's hugely stupid vote on me seems to imply.

he says that he is just throinw it out there so he doesnt get attaked for takin a stance, and he says he gives me benefit of doubt (which means he believes me) but he is still voting me!! and he isnt commenting on anyone else.

i think deadlines is soon and i can vote whoeverr has more votes from these two, but tonight i am going to try and kill chronopoie ior morthraz

Aikage give an invention away this day if you haven't already. By this day, I mean right now while its still the day before the night. You yourself can't use the inventions, or I don't believe you can.

[Bunnylover]

Aikage, you have two powers.
During the day: You can give an invention away.
During the Night: You can discover what one of your invention does.
According to your pm, you can not give an invention away during the night. To confirm this, I would ask the mod about it. While your asking the mod about it, give one of your inventions away.

Preview Edit: If you give Invention A away during the day, then the person who recieves it can tell the town what it did even if you die (I believe that works). During the night you can investigate it, as I'm not too sure scum will want to shoot a person who is confused by their own role and hasn't used it properly.

[Bunnylover]

HOLY CRAP! There's still a shift! I just got an invalid target PM from Reck. Someone else is pulling the strings.

This may sound crazy, but I've been thinking... Could BE have had a role that allowed him to flip anything he wanted? I've heard of this happening before. (Though it might have been a bastard game; I can't remember) Maybe he's actually in kahoots with the real shifter and pulled a flip gambit. Have any sages been unsealed?

What if it isn't possible for you to remove the votes?

[Bunnylover]

ok dram pm'd me and i feel relly dumb. it turns out that when we are voting and posting is called 'day' and that is when i'm supposed to give my inventiosn to people...

he told me that the ones i had sent in at night didnt do anything so far. he said at night i look for what my inventions do and thats all i can do at night.

so i should use my invention today before we lynch someone. since everyone is calling me newb and calling me stupid, though i agree i cant believe i didnt realize the difference between night and day actions, im leavin it up to you to cecide who i give it to. and then tht night ill find out which one i gave away and what it does do.

i still say akr or mothrax should get my invention in case it is a goron bomb and kills them still.

We can't choose who you should pick, we don't want scum to know who to roleblock in fear of your invention.
Your going to have to decide on your own.

[Bunnylover]

Oh, yeah.

If scum has a RBer, wouldn't they just use it on him regardless of target?

Well I don't think RB work during the day time. So whoever he gives his invention to, will get it (during Twilight).
That meaning the RB will not know who to block if their is one.
It won't be Aikage using the invention, it will be the unknown person who receives it using it, I think if I read Aikage claim correctly.

[Bunnylover]

Unvote

With the shift still alive, Beefster can still help us determine it which in turn will help Aikage direct who he actually want to gain his invention.
I would be willing to lynch DGB. KOC and AKR, I haven't seen what people are finding scummy about them, but I may have just missed/forgotten what people have said about them.

Vote DBG

[Bunnylover]

Oh, ok.

Please be more clear for me next time. ^_^ I actually happen to agree with this point, but I missed it the first time.

Thanks for pointing it out.

To be honest I missed it too and its even my post ._.
I could have sworn I had asked for people to explain the cases on them, but its obvious by the quote that I didn't add that.
But I know why DGB is scummy, he was excluded in that list. If you want me to give my reason, I can provide them.
I have speculation to why people suspect KOC, but I disagree with KOC case (if I am right he is scummy for still attacking Aikage and his ISO post 13-15?) I feel that is more of his personal opinion, and frankly it is kinda werid that Aikage would not get confirmation that his actions failed during the night when he tried to use it. But I feel that Aikage newbness is not a slip. That does not mean I am going to vote KOC, but if needed I think I understand the case to hammer to avoid a no lynch, reason why I would hammer is because he will be killed the next day.
As for AKR, he is not on my town list. I have no quells of lynching him.

Anything else I left out/didn't explain or just sounded scummy?

[Bunnylover]

I have speculation to why people suspect KOC, but I disagree with KOC case (if I am right he is scummy for still attacking Aikage and his ISO post 13-15?) I feel that is more of his personal opinion, and frankly it is kinda werid that Aikage would not get confirmation that his actions failed during the night when he tried to use it. But I feel that Aikage newbness is not a slip. That does not mean I am going to vote KOC, but if needed I think I understand the case to hammer to avoid a no lynch,

reason why I would hammer is because he will be killed the next day.

So hang on, you disagree with the "case" on me, but you'd still hammer me, because... I'm not sure if this is "he'll be dead tomorrow because someone will have killed him in the night" or "he'll be dead tomorrow because,

of course

, it's a foregone conclusion that we'd lynch that person tomorrow".
Feels like backpedalling.

Mod: If you don't give us a week's extension, I'm going to perform a variant of the Ludovico Technique where I force you both to play Halo: Reach and WoW, simultaneously, for 72 hours straight.

You would be lynch tomorrow is what I meant.
If I can prevent your lynch, I will try. But if deadline is upon us, I would lynch you to prevent a no lynch.
Also did I have the case on you correct and how is it backpeddling and what is backpeddling?

[Bunnylover]

If your at L-1 today, and you don't get lynch. Tomorrow you will be back at L-1 more then likely. Take a look at Substrike, he was one of the higher wagons until he died. The situation will continue to happen until he died/was lynched. Your telling me that, that won't happen? The obvious answer is that more then likely it will happen.
You misread my post entirely. I did not say I would hammer you the moment you got to L-1. I say if DEADLINE was upon us, you were at L-1, I would hammer you to avoid a no lynch. Don't misrepresent me, their is a different from what I said and what you think I am saying.
I did not backpeddle. Am I still willing to lynch you? Yes. Would I prefer if others went before you? Yes. Am I going to allow a no lynch so you can live? No. I am willing to lynch you. I have not change that stance on you. I have no quells with you been lynched, although if I can and get another person lynch instead, especially if one of those people who case of why they are scum I agree with, then great.

Also I don't have the requisite to play this game? I asked you one question and that immediately means I can't play mafia? Sorry that I don't know all the lingo that people use on this site, and I will ask what does this mean to understand it. I apologize and won't ask you another question to further expand my knowledge of mafia. Also nice trying to discredit me by relating me to Aikage. Rather you did that intentionally or not, I find that suspicious.

[Bunnylover]

@KOC: I didn't say you were linking me to Aikage. I said that you are comparing me and Aikage and saying we are on the same level, which if people believe you that greatly discredits anything and everything I say. I don't think Comparing and linking are similar in the usage.

[Bunnylover]

@KOC: I guess linking can work, but related would be the best word to use. Other then you, and I believe AKR, I have not been believed to be a VI. I am not getting any passes, nor am I getting looked over.
Aikage is staying alive as he has the chance to prove his role, and therefore prove his alignment (yes, I believe a role like that would be town alignment). Its sad that a role that seems powerful was given to a player who didn't understand it, but it can still be powerful from now on.

[Bunnylover]

There is little less then an hour till the deadline.

Unvote, vote KOC

I have to leave, and won't be sure if I will make it back and to avoid a no lynch, I will place my vote already.

[Bunnylover]

First question that I have to ask is:
Chronopie, did you powers finally become unsealed?

Trying to understand the colors at the moment.
Orange = Serial killers?
Purple = Poe Scum?
Gray = Boss Scum?
Blue = Town
I'm sure on the purple and blue colors. Not too sure on the others.

[Bunnylover]

Kinda got lost in the random talk from ABR and LLD.
LLD: Do you have any reason for your vote please.

[Bunnylover]

I did explain that part, or at least I thought.
It is in my ISO #115 to #119.
But I think this is the main post I addressed to it.

I could have sworn I had asked for people to explain the cases on them, but its obvious by the quote that I didn't add that.
But I know why DGB is scummy, he was excluded in that list. If you want me to give my reason, I can provide them.
I have speculation to why people suspect KOC, but I disagree with KOC case (if I am right he is scummy for still attacking Aikage and his ISO post 13-15?) I feel that is more of his personal opinion, and frankly it is kinda werid that Aikage would not get confirmation that his actions failed during the night when he tried to use it. But I feel that Aikage newbness is not a slip. That does not mean I am going to vote KOC, but if needed I think I understand the case to hammer to avoid a no lynch, reason why I would hammer is because he will be killed the next day.
As for AKR, he is not on my town list. I have no quells of lynching him.

[Bunnylover]

No I was not saying that. But I believed that other people had made cases against them, and therefore I would like to know what those were. I know the case on DGB. I wasn't positive about the case on KoC. AKR has been a null read for me, so as I stated before I had no quells in lynch him.
I wanted people to say, "Well here the case: ", so I could confirm, "Ok, I am thinking on the same line as why they are a viable lynch." I am still not positive if I am right about the case on KoC. No one has come and said, yes that is why. I did what I said I was going to do, be the hammer on him if only to avoid a no lynch.
It is true I should have probably done my own investigation and Iso the people to make my own case against them.
I think I answered your next question in this post without realizing it.

Preview Edit:
Looking through the remaining players, the ones who are lurking/non contributing and that I suspect:
DGB. His agurements for not contributing are strange. Because he does not know the game, he can not help us on flavor. Well thats find and dandy, but you don't win mafia by flavor speculation now do you? His obvious sheeping of DTM vote was noted. He's not even paying attention to the thread. His other reason for not contributing is because their are other people that are more advance then leading then he is. You don't need to be a leader to give your opinions out.
Ythan. Lately he has gone into a lurking state. He has stop posting, rather it be to attack someone for their idiotness or to post his opinion. If you notice on Day 3, I believe he completely dies off. Waiting too see how he does today.
Vezo. She been able to just come in and do what she pleas. I haven't seen anyone question any of her post. She just seems to be sliding by.

I would beg to disagree with the next sentence. I believe that I give out my opinions and give reasoning. Or if I do not give reasoning, when question I give it out. Can you provide some example where I fail to give reasons for my opinion?

[Bunnylover]

@LLD:
I think I did make a case on DGB. I pointed out what I do not like about him, why it does not hold ground. Yes, its sad that is that small =/.
If I am sheeping off of someone own opinion, I will tell you. You can look at my ISO, and any time I sheep, I would say "I agree", but even then I give my own opinion on the situation so people know that I am not just some blindless and mindless player just following anyone who makes a case.
I ask you: What is the point of someone making a case against a player, if no one else is allowed to use that case to justify their vote? Does that not mean if a person makes a case against another person, then everyone else must find out another reason not stated by that player to vote? I apologize for the direct and rudeness this may hold in advance.

[Bunnylover]

@LLD:
I think I did make a case on DGB. I pointed out what I do not like about him, why it does not hold ground. Yes, its sad that is that small =/.
If I am sheeping off of someone own opinion, I will tell you. You can look at my ISO, and any time I sheep,

I would say "I agree"

, but even then I give my own opinion on the situation so people know that I am not just some blindless and mindless player just following anyone who makes a case.
I ask you: What is the point of someone making a case against a player, if no one else is allowed to use that case to justify their vote? Does that not mean if a person makes a case against another person, then everyone else must find out another reason not stated by that player to vote? I apologize for the direct and rudeness this may hold in advance.

Why would scum ever agree to my arguments?

Is this sarcastic? I really can't tell :<.
I mean if we do go on that, why should we even post cases? Why should we even point out why a player is scummy? All we will be doing is given scum a reason to join a wagon right?

[Bunnylover]

I'm saying you are a liar.

When you are being accused of something, you fight back against it if it is false (and I'm calling you scum, so unless you're claiming scum....)

We post cases, since, just because you deny something, doesn't make it false. You can deny that the Earth rotates the Sun. Doesn't make it false.

So here it is. I'm calling you scum. I've given (yet another) reason for it. You say it cannot be true because, and I quote, "if it were, I would agree with you".

Yeah, no.

More votes here please.

I think you misunderstood me, or I wasn't clear in my post.
Your saying I am scum because of the earlier contradiction, which I believe I explained.
And because I am agreeing with your arguements about me been scum? Where have I agreed with you? I said if I was sheeping a person, I'm going to point out that I am sheeping + give my own opinions and reasoning. Can you re-explain your second point on me, because I think I missed something.

[Bunnylover]

LLD, you have not provided any post to show that I have sheep. You have said that I was going to try and sheep during the last day and that is the reason why I asked for the cases on the current viable people up for lynch. That is at best, "well if this happened......" situation. That is not evidence of anything.
You ask me for my own case. I posted my opinions, which to me would be a case, on DGB. Yet you don't acknowledge that at all. That by it self shows that I'm not sheeping. I can stand on my own, and make my own case.
Post number 103 in my ISO is another example.
Post number 114 is another example, although it is poor.
Number 81, number 83, and so on.
I mean if you look at my ISO, you see I give my own opinions out. I don't think I need to go through my ISO to prove that I don't give out my own opinions.
Also, I was saying If I am going to sheep, I will say: "I agree with so and so. This is what I agree with. This is also my own opinion."
Also, why are you ignoring DGB? He is the one who actually said he is sheeping. By your logic, he is scum. Yet you haven't mentioned him. the one thing you are accusing me of doing, is the one thing HE HAS DONE.

[Bunnylover]

Yes, you attacked GDB yesterday.
Did he magically die today? No.
You have suddenly dropped his case, although the exact reason you are attacking me for is the exact same thing he has done.
To me, that doesn't make sense.
I am trying to understand the logic in that. What happened between Day 3 and Day 4, that made your shift go from DGB to Bunnylover?
You can call it that I am shifting the spotlight, but I have a legitament reason for doing that. In my most recent game, I got everyone to lynch MoI because he was tunneling me, then suddenly dropped his case on me and went onto another target. I pointed out what he as doing, and got him lynch. He was town though and I was town, so it didn't work out so well but I think you see my point. That what your doing is also scummy. You had a case on DGB, then suddenly you drop it or don't bring it up again and go to a new target. The only difference from this game and my last game is that your starting from another player then going to me, while in the last game it started on me and went to another player.
Were you attacking DGB because it was so close to the deadline? Are you not attacking him because you no longer see him as scum, or what?
Before I continue:

Vote: DGB

Continueing:
Looked at your last 5-10 pages and saw nothing. You accused me of sheeping, with evidence that I pointed out in my last post which I said it is best a what if situation. But other then that, you have not shown any post where I have sheeped. I am still waiting for you to do that.

[Bunnylover]

I think you should wait for my response before you say I fail =/.

[Bunnylover]

OK NOW I AM PISSED.
Blah, blah but i can't make post when mad.
But i'll try anyways.
You are ignoring everything I am saying.
I posted who I suspect. I posted my case on DGB. I told you what I don't like about him, what he has done that I find odd, and everything. How is that not a case? How is that not my own opinion? Please explain that to me? Or are you going to ignore this too? You ignored the part about where he says he can't help town because their are other more leading then him and he doesn't have flavour knowledge. I think their was another point, but I am rage typing right now, so I can't remember that point.
So if I just give up and say I don't really care about what happens, my case should just disappear from thin air? NO. THAT SHOULD BE MORE REASON TO ATTACK HIM. WHAT KIND OF TOWNIE WON'T PROVIDE THEIR OPINION? WHAT THEY AGREE WITH, WHAT THEY DISAGREE WITH. THEIR IS NO REASON FOR A TOWNIE TO SAY, FUCK IT I DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH THIS ANYMORE. BUT THAT IS WHAT YOUR ALLOWING HIM TO DO.
Was that the first thing I did, shift the spotlight? No, because you were question me about stuff that I didn't see as sheeping in any way or form. Then you come out of left field and say I am sheeping. That immediately went off in my head going, "Wait wtf is she doing? Why is she claiming I am sheeping, when their are other players sheeping who have admitted it. Wtf is going on." Saying he is apathy isn't a reason to attack him then just lay off of him.
MY VOTE ON DGB CONFIRMS THAT I BELIEVE I MADE A SMALL CASE ON WHY I BELIEVE HE IS SCUM.
You have no posted any evidence to what you are saying I am sheeping. Where have I sheep? Go find me post where I have sheep. Go through my ISO and find me those post.

YOU HAVE STILL NOT SHOWN ONE PIECE OF EVIDENCE THAT IS UNDENIABLE PROVE THAT I HAVE SHEEP FROM ANY PLAYER IN THIS GAME. YOU CONTINUE TO SAY YOU HAVE, BUT YOU HAVEN'T AND WHEN ASKED TO SHOW IT, YOU JUST SAY FOR ME TO LOOK IT UP.

[Bunnylover]

I am raging right now.
I don't know if I will respond to any other question for the next couple of hours or so.
I apologize.

[Bunnylover]

@LLD: That is the "what if" Their is no evidence that I was going to sheep off of them. You can say I was going to, I can say I was not going to. You can say I am lieing, I can say I am telling the truth. I want something that is undienable prove that I was sheeping. Something that I can not say I was not sheeping. Reason you haven't posted none is because their is none.
You can continue to say that is evidence. I will continue to say that is not evidence, I have explained myself on that, and I have asked you for other evidence, you have yet to provide none.

@Cupcake: Cupcake what are your reason for voting me that doesn't include anything posted today. You voted me yesterday with no reason at all. Most likely you won't even respond to this post because you will go off into your lurking status because you have no reason to worry about as you are a confirmed mason.
You know what: Cupcake please provide for me why I was scum Day 1. Since you believe I was scum since then, it should be no problem for you to show why I am and what evidence you have against me just during Day 1. After that, proceed to Day 2, then Day 3, doing the same thing. If you don't know what I am asking, I can explain it further.

@Mothrax: I don't think their is a bossscum among the remaining sages. I think one would just be enough to have that person flip which would make the sages paranoid and distrust each other, even though their is nothing to worry about. Although at best it is WIFOM.

[Bunnylover]

Great kills last night.

Sages got great powers right??
Then why did they claimed?
Now scum can NK them. At least some of them didn't right?

The only one alive that has claimed is Chrono, and I'm more then sure he wouldn't have claimed without reasonable thinking.

[Bunnylover]

I would beg to disagree with the next sentence. I believe that I give out my opinions and give reasoning. Or if I do not give reasoning, when question I give it out. Can you provide some example where I fail to give reasons for my opinion?

Everywhere. You recycle cases and regurgitate them later or you just say that you agree. That's not providing your own reasoning.

So I can't say, "I agree with this" and then give my own opinion as well?
What cases have I recycle? I have only made one case and that is on DGB, and even that is small.
What is the point of other people making cases if no one can agree with them or put their input into it?

[Bunnylover]

I would beg to disagree with the next sentence. I believe that I give out my opinions and give reasoning. Or if I do not give reasoning, when question I give it out. Can you provide some example where I fail to give reasons for my opinion?

Everywhere. You recycle cases and regurgitate them later or you just say that you agree. That's not providing your own reasoning.

So I can't say, "I agree with this" and then give my own opinion as well?
What cases have I recycle?

I have only made one case and that is on DGB, and even that is small.

What is the point of other people making cases if no one can agree with them or put their input into it?

Bolded: Exactly. You have only made ONE case in this game, and it happens to be RIGHT AFTER I showed you MY case on him.

@ABR: If he's so scummy, please place your vote on him. This is the play for today.

Your point? If a player is scummy, and different people make cases against the same person, would the cases not be the same or similar?
Can you show me cases from every single person in this game? I can already answer that for you, no you can not. Zwet hasn't posted a case, ABR hasn't, Vezo hasn't, Le Cupcake hasn't, don't think chrono has, nor Ythan, nor AKR, pretty much no one has other then 2 people which would be DTM and Yourself. Although I may be wrong on AKR and Mothrax.
Your probably going to call this shifting the spotlight, and I am fine with you saying that. I just can't understand why people attack a certain person for doing an action when their are dozen of other players doing that same actions. Confuses me so.
You still haven't provided any other examples.

@ABR: On the Beefster vote, yes I did follow DTM. Although I did post my own opinion about him, I also did say I agree with DTM.

@Cupcake: Nice of you to avoid what I asked you provide. Is it because you can't provide it, or you didn't understand what I asked?

[Bunnylover]

Sorry, been busy in real life. I am usually busy on Sunday's.
Quick Post:
1) Still love the fact that Cupcake hasn't proved any reason to why she believed I am scum during Day 1, Day 2, or Day 3, or even Day 4.

Guess that all lol.
I am working on gathering a case on Ythan, since LLD attacking me saying my case on DGB can not hold up since she posted the case on DGB before me. I should have the case up some time on Monday, as I am still busy today. Sorry for the inconvenience.

[Bunnylover]

Obvious is Obvious, but I'll say it anyways.
The shift has ended apparently and DTM has lost his vote.

[Bunnylover]

Reading through Ythan Iso post.
Incredible I found shit. The only scummy thing he has done has been his sudden disappearance during Day 3 which was due to finals (semester ending)
His play is consistence throughout each day.
If Ythan is scum, what will be his downfall is his Townish play early on to his lurkish play at the moment.
I am still suspicious of Ythan, even though my try at making a case on him failed, but at the moment he has shown he is town, and I even believed he breadcrumbed a few time.
Right now these are my reads:
Town: DTM, LLD, ChronoPie
Null: Beefster, Ythan (for now), AKR, Mothrax, Zwet, ABR,
Scum/Scummy: Le Cupcake (Their was one scum in one of the mason group, its not a long shot to say their can't be one in the other mason group. Also the fact that Cupcake just comes in, votes, doesn't explain anything, then leaves), Vezo (Pro Lurker is pro), DGB (Already stated why)

For the Null, I am leaning more on this:
Null Town: Beefster, ABR, Ythan
Null Scum: Zwet (Lurker), AKR and Mothrax (haven't seen a great amount of contribution)

[Bunnylover]

You are a fool BunnyLover.

How many times do I have to say this?

MASONS ARE ALIGNMENT CONFIRMED BY MOD.

There. Said it in red too. So you CAN'T miss it.

So Either pay attention and do somethig relevant: (I.E: Your case on Ythan is that there is no case on Ythan? Wow, what a waste of time to make you look town.)

OR

Die. You're probably scum, but even in the small 5% range that you can exist as town, you're useless anyway.

Your choice.

Was the sages not a group of mason?
Was their not a scum member in that group?
Or are they exempt from the rule of masonary because they have the chance to end their mason group by becoming unsealed?
Also have you come up with all those time I apparently sheeped yet?

@Cupcake: lol continue to not provide any reasoning for your vote, or answer anything I question you.

@Ythan: I'm not attacking you x_x. Your right, every sign post is saying you are town, which is why I am not attacking you because its stupid to attack a town player. Your Day play on Day 3 made me question your alignment, doing an Iso on you has shown that your Day 3 < Your previous active play which leads me to believe you are Town. But then again if your play this day = your play Day 3, then that is going to be your downfall.

@Beefster: How the hell is that post fencesitting? I told my reads, I said who is town, who I believe is scum, and who I have a null read on. How is that fence sitting?

[Bunnylover]

@Ythan: Out of the 3 people I found suspicious, I posted my case on DGB, Vezo case is just pro lurking and obvious bandwagoning, then their you who no one has suspected. Since LLD asked me to bring forth a case, and didn't accept the DGB, I was trying to get one together on you.

I forgot the sages were neighbors and not mason =/.

@Beefster: I am attacking Le Cupcake, not LLD. LLD is town, her ability has been proven (the blue particles), LLD has been a town read of mine since the beginning.

@AKR: You haven't said what your suspicion is of my reasoning for scum. You didn't say why yesterday, nor have you said why today. I would actually like to know why I was scum yesterday from you :<.

What am I at x-x?

[Bunnylover]

LLD I like how you are allowed to ask me to do something, but when I ask you to provide something, you don't do it .
True you asked me to provide a case.
I did provide one on DGB, but you denied it because you posted a case on DGB before hand.
I tried to do a case on Ythan, but found myself dumbfounded as the likely hood of him been scum is very low.
No case can be made on Vezo, because she/he is a pro lurker and has so far just joined wagons. Basically Vezo acts like Cupcake, and I am wondering why I am not attacking her. Thats going to change.
Cupcake is the same as Vezo, except a confirmed mason. And as I've been proven wrong out, no long one of my reads as she move to the town reads although I do not like her play at all and this whole confirmed thing is what she is riding on.
Make a bunch of null reads.
Town: DTM, LLD, ChronoPie
Null: Beefster, Ythan (for now), AKR, Mothrax, Zwet, ABR,
Scum/Scummy: Le Cupcake (Their was one scum in one of the mason group, its not a long shot to say their can't be one in the other mason group. Also the fact that Cupcake just comes in, votes, doesn't explain anything, then leaves), Vezo (Pro Lurker is pro), DGB (Already stated why)
That was my list. How exactly did I fence sit? Zwet is a null read because although he been lurking his ass off and hasn't died yet, he's our freaking CPR Doctor. A Doctor who has not gone counterclaim balances out his lurking status.
For Beefster I already posted my opinion on him, read my ISO Number 92.
Ythan I have explained already.
ABR, His previous days have been strange. He was lurking, not really seeing any content or post from. It wasn't till the end of Day 3 and this Day (Day 4) that we are barely starting to see him post and get anything out of him. Could this be scum beginning to fear that the end is near and he on the wrong side of everyone list?
AKR, Haven't seen any content from his side of the post. The same goes to Mothrax although Mothrax has done more then AKR.
I gave a list of who I thought was Town/Null Town/Null Scum/Scum, and yet I am fence sitting. Even more, people are telling me I am fence sitting yet not showing how I am fencing sitting.

I am still waiting for you to provide evidence for my sheeping.

[Bunnylover]

You are impossible! How many times must we tell you that Cupcake cannot be scum!

Just claim so we can have you hang.

I SAID HE WASN'T IN THAT LAST POST X_X.
I was explaining why I put her in that categorize when I made the post. I should have made that clear, sorry about that.
This was where I said I was wrong about my read: And as I've been proven wrong out, no long one of my reads as she move to the town reads although I do not like her play at all and this whole confirmed thing is what she is riding on.
Although I need to start pre-reading my post so they are actually readable =/.

[Bunnylover]

DTM, I'm not sure what you were trying to do, and I'm not sure if everyone else is on drugs at the moment either.
DTM has no vote today.

[Bunnylover]

Darn I was going for a voting gambit. :#. Except it was already obvious I didn't have a vote. I wanted to see who's paying attention and who's not. Elaborations will come soon.

Unvote, Vote AKR

If you had waited longer, I think it could have worked. But I think it was yesterday when Beefster made you vote less, so you jumped the gun on that :<.

[Bunnylover]

Kill Zwet ._.

[Bunnylover]

Fun game
Kinda shocked at the outcome.
Thought town was going to win it.

[Bunnylover]

I read the whole game after I flaked. According to the Poe QT it looked like ABR Sub Vezo and Bunny thought ALL of the masons were PGO's. They even threatened to suicide Bunny into one of them at one point<_<.

Amazing play by all, especially DTM and ABR, who both played it out to the finish. In my opinion DTM was pretty obvious scum the last few days and the fact that you all let the day continue without letting him post his role PM made me cry. But considering he pretty much wore the pants of the entire town for most of the game he gets mad props.

Le Cupcake and LLD both played the game like total tools though (no offense intended), so in the end it's no big deal.

I wish I hadn't replaced this:(. Right when school started catching up the game got GOOD.

This is basically my opinion too.
It was always Poe plans to suicide against he mason because we thought they were all PGO. We really weren't using are brains.
ABR was awesome.
DTM, like really? No one threw a vote on DTM? I mean he was practically my buddy, which I buddy Substrike, so why did no one call him Poe scum <_<.

I liked my abilities as scum. Just wished I could use it better. No one was really targetting me at night so it kinda went to waste.
Btw, the times I used my mimic ability, I used it on Ythan.

<_< What I hated was my fake claim. I couldn't think of nothing for Guru-Guru ._.

Overall I loved this game <3.

[Bunnylover]

/pre-in for your World of Warcraft Mafia .
Btw, first thing first we are lynching you (the mod) from the game :3.

[Bunnylover]

Bunnylover more like Bunnyhater.

D: I don't hate bunnies.

@LLD: Although we knew about the hammer, we didn't know the mod had it :<.

[Bunnylover]

/pre in for sure, I love WoW

Maybe save the mod lynch for d2.

I will now that Shotty in v-v.

[Bunnylover]

I would pre in for wow but I know nothing about the flavor...

I know very little (pretty much nothing) and still playing.
As long as I have my trusty google by myside, I know all I need to know!