Reckamonic's Ocarina of Time Mafia..OVER! Was Hyrule saved?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD's interpretation of the Verdant race is correct BTW.

Just like to point out that with GIS' claim, my explination of Verdant is even more likely to be correct.

Kinda off topic, but I felt the need to mention that.

Anyway, I could argue the flavor semantics of GIS' claim... I don't think his faction or powers quite match his role... But that's just another 25 pages of useless shit waiting to happen.

In any case, GIS is the lynch for today. We have under 48 hours to avoid auto NL.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Guys really listen to your selves.

We are a very pro-town role, this is dumb and obviously being driven by scum *looks at LLD and LC*

LOL REALLY?

HOW ABOUT FATE? OR RAYFROST? OR ANY OTHER NUMBER OF PLAYERS WHO HAVE BEEN PUSHING FOR YOUR LYNCH.

BUT NO. YOU HAVE YOUR HEAD SO FAR UP YTHAN'S ASS, YOU CAN ONLY SAY WHAT HE THINKS.

STOP SHEEPING ON HIS INSTICTS, AND MAKE YOUR OWN FUCKING CASES.

That is all.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The state your case against me, with logical reasoning.

The last time you tried to post a wall, I seem to recall it was full of you bitching at people, and pointing out useless things.

I still don't know why you suspect me, because you haven't placed forward a case.

All you stated was that "the 2 heads have come to an agreement", and voted on me.

So tell me Shotty? What's the case on me? Please note that if you mention anything about the flavor speculation earlier on, it can be applied to yourself AND Ythan.

What I am looking for is solid evidence of things that I have done, that are in detriment to town, or are scummy.

Also, please note again that (against my will) I have been claimed as (by Cupcake)

Din, Goddess Mason Paranoid Gun Owner.

This means, obviously, that I have been claimed as Mason to Cupcake.
We know from an earlier mod Post, that Masons are alignment confirmed. If you want more info on the claim, ask, but do not expect to receive. I can tell you my ability is

Din's Fire

(obviously) and that my race is

Fiery Goddess

.

So, this basically explains my "chainsaw defense" of Cupcake. I know she's town, because I'm confirmed mason aligned with her. So that argument (which is the one Exilion has stuck to this game) is kinda invalidated, because I had a reason for the defense.

So, beyond those claims, please find me reasonable evidence of moves I have made that are scummy.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Wait a second why the fuck did he claim for you when you weren't the leading wagon?

Now your role is mostly useless.

I ask that question myself.

In other news I REALLY don't like your defense mode of: "WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER GUYS THAT DID THIS? ARENT THEY SCUMMY TOO?"

+

STOP SHEEPING ON HIS INSTICTS, AND MAKE YOUR OWN FUCKING CASES.

Why in gods name are you telling scum that you are voting to scumhunt???



....

Maybe Ythan was right.

Maybe Ythan was right all along.

If I ever have to say that I was wrong, and Ythan was right, I will.

But he's not. So I won't. Don't get confused between me telling Shotty he has no case (and waiting for him to try and bullshit something, so I can laugh) and me telling him my vote is based off his lack of scumhunting. It's not. It's based off all the contradictions he has proposed (hydra or not).

Please try and read between the lines with what I say.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

EBWOP: Also, when I mentioned you and Ray, I'm not saying "Why me? Why not them?" I'm asking why are you tunneling, using Ythan's views only?

It's not a "I think these guys are scummy, look at them instead", it's a "You are to focused on the 2 people Ythan has instructed you to look at".

Sorry if that was confusing.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Chess your arguments against me for the last 5-6 posts have been "omg sub is so mafia, btw I'm 12 pl0x vote for him cause I can use l337 speak." At least build an actual case, like LLD. It might have some logical fallacies about it, but at least she has some valid reason to argue that I may be scum, past attempting to jump on a wagon covertly.

On this note, we stop talking about Chesskid ^_^

What are the logical fallacies in my case against you? Please point them out for discussion.

Chesskid, you're not using your power tonight right? It's too likely your gonna hit a strong town POwer role at this point. If you end up using the power at all, I'd like to see It in middlegame/endgame.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Beefster, he's saying that Cupcake Myself and him are all in a 3-way masonry of goddesses.

You're not part of it ;P

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hoorah.

Now post a catchup post, and vote GIS.

Arigatou Gozaimasu. <3

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I find the claim ability- and flavor-plausible. Considering alignment repercussions.

Shocker.

I don't.

But now that you've said this, you better not give me any shit about believing Cupcakes claim.

They are different claims you MORON. One is more plausible than the other. Seriously do you think?

Different claims. Same situation.

Also, considering I am Mason (Alignment confirmed) with Cupcake, mine's a little more plausible. Don't you think?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I find the claim ability- and flavor-plausible. Considering alignment repercussions.

Shocker.

I don't.

But now that you've said this, you better not give me any shit about believing Cupcakes claim.

They are different claims you MORON. One is more plausible than the other. Seriously do you think?

Different claims. Same situation.

Also, considering I am Mason (Alignment confirmed) with Cupcake, mine's a little more plausible. Don't you think?

Skull Kid =/= a goddess. One claim =/= another. I know that may be CONFUSING if you haven't played the game but really.

The similarity is, both are being judged by you and I, based on their flavor.

You believe the Skull kid one, I don't.

I believe the Goddess one, you don't.

That's the similarity. I'm not saying Skull Kid Claim=Goddess claim by any means. Stop Misrepping.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It's @ L-2 I believe now Ythan, because Substrikes vote doesn't count.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It's not misreping. Stop using words you don't understand because there are a lot of them.

Defintion: Slander.

See: Above

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Haha, I was just being mean but that's

really

not what it means!

I'm willing to accept that I am new here.

If you think I'm using something wrong, tell me what the generally accepted meaning is, and I'll rephrase.

But simply saying "You're stupid and wrong" doesn't help either of us.

More helpful you are, the better my posts get.

The better my posts get, the more it helps town.

The more it help town, the more you are happy (supposedly )

See how that works?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So, if you're willing to guide me, if you think I'm wrong...

I'd be more willing to readily listen.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Nameloc. You realize our deadline is... tomorrow.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh hai der!

Hey Ythan! Wanna yell at eachother some more? for the record?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh, and before I forget.

CHESSKID, DO NOT USE YOUR POWER TONIGHT. THANK YOU.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ok.

Substrike, want to confirm that for us?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

We are town, and exactly what we claimed. Good job scum *looks at the "masons"*

I fucking told you that the only way you weren't getting lynched was to NOT wait until the very last day before deadline to claim, and what do you do? You claim the day before deadline. If you don't want to follow my advice, don't blame me for your lynch. I did want Substrike lynched instead of you, but you wouldn't cooperate. Now whose fault is that?

I'll take Chesskid3 is an idiot for 1000.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Alphabet Mafia?

How did the flavor in that work again?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

>.<

LMFAO

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I know.

This day was crazy long

[Lady Lambdadelta]

We have a vig?=O

[Lady Lambdadelta]

GIS, I think you've outlived your bah post...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Uh.... there are sages in this game?

If another sage would like to confirm...

Also, this I'm assuming is not a masonry, because Mason alignment is mod confirmed IN THREAD.

Passive Abilities:
Sacred Realm - While you are sealed in the sacred realm, you are able to communicate with the other sages.

They are not alignment confirmed.

You may still post and vote in the game thread as normal while you are sealed.

Sounds mason-ish to me. See part in bold. Contradictions ahoy?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

In other news, LOL 80 PAGES.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Just so you know, flavor wise, there are only 6 sages.

That part of the Sage claim is true.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Zelda is a "sage" but in the game, she is not awakened until the VERY end.

You're right, but it's plausible that she be considered something else.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Exilon, what part of GODDESS ALIGNMENT CONFIRMED MASONS do you NOT UNDERSTAND?

I am in a masonage with Cupcake and Nikanor.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Curiously, [redacted] can confirm my role. You're scum.
OH YOU'RE A GODDESS
Right?

Wanna explain this post?

I'll accept the theory that ALL 3 OF THE CLAIMED GODDESSES are mafia together, and are fake claiming... However unlikely it is that a whole scum team would out themselves like that Day 1.

but I'd like to hear a case against me before I believe this claim is anything more than an attempt to mislead town, and make you look like your town, based on the accusations Ythan made earlier D1 (which were invalidated).

So please, ISO me, and provide evidence of my scummy behavior.

On another note, the neighbor claim is interesting... The 2 sisters, when combined, are commonly known as Twinrova. If they're both dead... it would seem that the Spirit Sage /SHOULD/ be released...

Also, if I am informed correctly, Neighbors don't need to be allignment confirmed? If this is true, I don't like the claim of Spirit Sage.

FoS Chronopie

This being said, I am not convinced these Sage claims are even valid. So, for the reasons I previously stated:

VOTE: Substrike

[Lady Lambdadelta]

EBWOP: *you're town

[Lady Lambdadelta]

My recent EBWOP was a correction of my grammar >.< Sorry.

I /WAS/ influenced a bit by the mind control of the spirit sage... but to me the real reasoning is that I don't like the claim because it seemed to jump on the fact that the twins died... If you get a power from Twinrova dying, and you are TOWN, why claim it?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LMFAO.

IF YOU GOT A GUILTY ON ME, I'M GOING TO VOTE YOU.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

SO PLEASE,. BY ALL MEANS, TELL ME I'M A "BOSS SCUM".

CONFIRM YOURSELF A SCUM FOR ME <3

[Lady Lambdadelta]

In that case:

UNVOTE

VOTE: Exilon

Go right ahead and lynch me. My 3 masons will back me up.

Notice my "3" not my "7" (6 temples + Ganondorf)

Your claim is such shit.

SO PLEASE,. BY ALL MEANS, TELL ME I'M A "BOSS SCUM".

CONFIRM YOURSELF A SCUM FOR ME <3

WIFOM. Fun shit.

Oh yeah, coming out as a cop with a guilty result on claimed masons is a super-excellent scum gambit. Yep.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

EBWOP: The comment of "WIFOM. Fun Shit." was meant to be OUTSIDE the BE quote. >.<

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Exilon. I would like to request that you day-cop someone other than the masons and give a result. Specifically one of substrike, BE, ythan, or chrono.

I'd like to point out, though, that kai had partial-claimed a boss (If I read his role correctly) turned town-aligned.

Also... nikanor claimed that LL was a PGO

. It'd make sense for you to try and lynch her as scum, so the fakeclaim's not entirely bought by me.

Excuse me if I prefer a nikanor lynch over a lynch on LL if we are going to test this.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who caught that...

I was just about to include this is my essay text block of reasons why this claim was impossible.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Would you like to see my text block?

It's only half done, but I could rant all night.

His claim is so full of holes... -sigh-

The only possible explanation where he is town, is this shift business. Can someone explain this to me?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm asking for an explanation of how a shift would work?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Things like that can happen? :S

In any case, his claim and investigation is either WRONG or FALSE.

If it's simply WRONG, by virtue of Insane/Shift etc. then we've outed a town role for no reason again.

If it's FALSE (I suspect it is anyway), then we have scum ^_^ (Because I'm PGO, so that can't have hit me, unless he was protected by some kind of doctor...)

In any case, going by your logic of a potential shift, what is the best course of action DTM?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Paranoid Gun Owner.

Anyone who targets me successfully dies.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

As previously shown, I'm a Zelda buff

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Mafuyu/Nameloc being raped is kinda... awkward.

I don't mean socially, I mean in virtue of mechanics...

What kind of role draws these extra votes? >.< What's the purpose of having such a self-destructive role?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

And I'm just going to point out, I'm not trying to get a read on scum with this train of thought... I'm just wondering if its a result of Nameloc's role... or if something else is placing these things on him.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Mafuyu said earlier that the vote was the result of braking a requirement in Mafuyu's role. I could speculate as to the reasons that such a role would exist but I'd rather not without more information, at least. For now, don't mind nameloc. He'll be a danger to town when it gets closer to lylo, but not a risk at the moment.

I missed that. Thanks.

Ugh, this is gonna be another one of those 80 page days... isn't it? >.<

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The other possible explination is that Exilon fake claimed Zelda, and never actually investigated me. Hence, he never visited me, and that is why he is still alive.

Just throwing that out there, in the event that there is no shift discovered.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It should be noted that in the most recent vote count, BE seems to have lost his double vote?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p2594329

Look at BE's vote on me here, compared to this one from day 2.

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p2600973

[Lady Lambdadelta]

sorry forgot about this game almos, been busy this week.

i told you guys fate was scum! ythan is his buddy clearly, if you read back you see that they never suspected eachotehr once and were trying to lead town!

plz vote for ythan today fate being scum should be enoough you guys should listen to me now. i wish my roll wasnt so dumb and i could vote

I'm sorry... but does anyone else see Aikage as a really fail Lyncher?

Like, I'm the person who spent all of yesterday raging at Ythan and calling him scum...

But this is like almost blatant lyncher talk.

First

off, Fate flipped SK, not scum. Slight difference, but a major one if you are arguing guilt by association.

Secondly

, can you show me evidence of WHY Ythan is scum? I know that I have presented some... but most of it is really subjective and circumstantial, and I'll admit that. I felt he was scum, from my perspective, but there was no real solid proof. You don't even have subjective evidence. You simply come out and claim him as scum. Present a case please.

Thirdly

, have you even scum hunted? This is about the 3rd time you've "apologized for not reading". All you have ever said is "YTHAN IS SCUM, I WISH I COULD VOTE HIM, EVERYONE VOTE FOR ME PLEASE". You haven't even looked at anyone else... It's almost like you're, I don't know, fixated on his lynch? Just sayin'

Just a note:

Does a lynch work in such a way, that they have to be the vote that HAMMERS the wagon?

Also, it HAS been shown that Aikage doesn't have a vote.... but only on people other than Ythan.

Maybe he has a vote that works ONLY on Ythan, or only when HAMMERING Ythan?

If I'm wrong about this speculation, please call me on it... but this seems fairly logical to me.

Another question:

Can lyncher targets be scum? Or are they generally town/third party?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That was a block post full of nothing. Good job Substrike.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Greattttttttt

>.<

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Unvote

If shift is confirmed, I guess I'll suspend my doubt on Exilon.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

List of Sages and the boss of their temples (AKA, the thing that needs to die, in order to release them)
----------------------------------------------------------------
Light Temple Sage (Name escapes me): Ganondorf(?)
Forest Temple Sage (Saria): Phantom Ganon
Fire Temple Sage (Darius): Volvagia
Water Temple Sage (Princess Ruto): Morpha
Shadow Temple Sage (Impa): Bongo Bongo
Spirit Temple Sage (Nabooru): Twinrova

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i've been doin some mroe reading today

blooderecton is scum with Ythan cuz he was doing chanisaw defens by atacking all the masons (the wiki says they are all town, why deosnt he get it?? i think he is scum) cuz they thought ythan was scum like i do

and now ythan is atacking him so it is called bussing. so yeha thats two scum down cmon lets lynch one of em already now this is obvious!!

i also dont get this whole shift buisness btu i hope it will make sens soon

Oh god.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

When people figure out this shift, I'll comment more.

But as of right now, fixing this shift is the most important thing.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

And how, pray tell, do you propose we find scum, when half the game is focusing on this shift?

There's nothing to read off of. I have already presented a case on Substrike and Aikage. If you want to expand on either of those, please ISO them.

Otherwise, there is no current relevant info being added atm.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm sorry that I have NOTHING TO SAY ON THE CURRENT TOPIC OF DISCUSSION.

Nothing relevant at least.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: Substrike

For the reasons previously stated by me.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

When you fight Twinrova... You need to kill the sisters seperately.

Once you do this, they form Twinrova..:

After a few hits to each sister, they form into one boss -- Twinrova.

So, this raises the question: is there a person in the game who could end up being released into power as Twinrova? (under the assumption that Chrono is not lying about not being released from the sealed realm yet.)

[Lady Lambdadelta]

When you fight Twinrova... You need to kill the sisters seperately.

Once you do this, they form Twinrova..:

After a few hits to each sister, they form into one boss -- Twinrova.

So, this raises the question: is there a person in the game who could end up being released into power as Twinrova? (under the assumption that Chrono is not lying about not being released from the sealed realm yet.)

I think that Fate and his partner (forgot who that player was), had the power to form together into Twinrova and separate at will.
Since someone killed them while they were in their individual form, they didn't get the chance to use that power.
Or I thought of this
They each have an extra live, after been targeted by a kill and losing their life, they form together to form Twinrova. This would fix in with after getting hit they would form together. If this theory is true, the two night actions must have been used on it.
The second theory fits better with what you posted, but the first theory makes more sense. Sorry I can't come up with something more solid.

I'm in concurrence with Ythan. I like these theories.

I'm also of the opinion that the 3 child bosses are miller (as seen in Kairyuu/Beefster and Zewt's claims), and that adult are 1 scum faction. I would be of the opinion that with such an obvious scum faction... There would probably be a second faction as well... But for now,'it makes more sense to focus on the Boss-Scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Do we have a vig to get rid of him?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It's an almost 30 player no vanilla game. Stop fishing and use your head.

And I deserved that one... >.<

In all honesty, Chess, you need to use your power tonight on undesirables who have not claimed. In my opinion, I think the number 1 vanilization target would be Aikage.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

But Ray! If he's voteless, imagine what his Power must be? He can't justness a voteless townie. He MUST have some power.

The question is, do We trust him with said power over a vote?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@Ythan: would you agree his obsession in lynching you or BE, coupled with his lack of vote, could be a lyncher/jester type deal?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm speculaing his lack of a vote only extends to players who are not his target.

Note that he has refused to vote for either of you or BE, desire not having a vote. I think he's hiding that stipulation of his "votelessness".

Another possible theory is that he can only vote when hammering his target.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Only speculation Ythan. I'm trying to find the logical motivation for his moves, and I found this to be most likely.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

sorry forgot about this game almos, been busy this week.

i told you guys fate was scum! ythan is his buddy clearly, if you read back you see that they never suspected eachotehr once and were trying to lead town!

plz vote for ythan today fate being scum should be enoough you guys should listen to me now. i wish my roll wasnt so dumb and i could vote

I'm sorry... but does anyone else see Aikage as a really fail Lyncher?

Like, I'm the person who spent all of yesterday raging at Ythan and calling him scum...

But this is like almost blatant lyncher talk.

First

off, Fate flipped SK, not scum. Slight difference, but a major one if you are arguing guilt by association.

Secondly

, can you show me evidence of WHY Ythan is scum? I know that I have presented some... but most of it is really subjective and circumstantial, and I'll admit that. I felt he was scum, from my perspective, but there was no real solid proof. You don't even have subjective evidence. You simply come out and claim him as scum. Present a case please.

Thirdly

, have you even scum hunted? This is about the 3rd time you've "apologized for not reading". All you have ever said is "YTHAN IS SCUM, I WISH I COULD VOTE HIM, EVERYONE VOTE FOR ME PLEASE". You haven't even looked at anyone else... It's almost like you're, I don't know, fixated on his lynch? Just sayin'

Just a note:

Does a lynch work in such a way, that they have to be the vote that HAMMERS the wagon?

Also, it HAS been shown that Aikage doesn't have a vote.... but only on people other than Ythan.

Maybe he has a vote that works ONLY on Ythan, or only when HAMMERING Ythan?

If I'm wrong about this speculation, please call me on it... but this seems fairly logical to me.

Another question:

Can lyncher targets be scum? Or are they generally town/third party?

This was the original case on Aikage I posted. Please note that the SK commet was under the impression that he was SK, because someone else said it >.<.

As for the reasoning for the specifics: I can't find any other logical reason for what he's done. The specifics are to clairity the options/possibilities for me.

Also note that I'm assuming that Aikage has a shred of logic.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Aikage is in VCs. Why do we think he is voteless. A claim only?

Exactly my point. However, his vote on Mafuyu on day one was seen as not counting.(I think)

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Just wondering: what does IIRC mean?

>.<

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh Ythan. You're so helpful <3

But seriously, what does the acronym stand for?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Well... Didn't BE have a double vote day 1?

Is it possible that was the vote he stole?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't know. I think BE having a double vote is a null tell, as would be his controlling Aikages vote.

In no way am I implying that he is scum for those reasons.

I think we need to take a serious look into Aikage. A claim from him would be real nice. A vig shot would be even better.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Good. That issue is solved. Now, on to our next issue: Substrike.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

VOTE: chesskid3

You're not contributing in any meaningful way. Jester?

Also, I was always a Squirtle guy, so fuck your super effective bullshit.

are you really taking a page four claim seriously?

QFT.

I agree with Ythan on the Mothrax point, I think that deserves clarification.

I also fail to see JaBOC's scuminess.

Substrike has claimed to be a supporter of the Cupcake lynch. However, before he even starts on this train of thought, he was originally pressing for CH3's lynch.

Throughout his ISO, it is the opinion of Substrike that CH3 is probably a JESTER. This speculation is seen even in the same post as his VOTE on CH3. A huge contradiction.

Contradiction: In general terms, why would you want to lynch a Jester? It's illogical. It is to the benefit of neither town NOR scum. Ergo, it is hard for me to believe he thinks CH3 is a Jester, and keeps his vote on him.

I have

2

3 explanations for this act:

1. This is a way for scum to hold their vote, while they lurk to the next day. Not many questions will be raised concerning his vote, when its been placed this strategically on the wagon. When the Chesskid wagon collapsed, he could no longer hold his vote safely there, and removed it in favor of Cupcake (I'll discuss this after).

2. Look at the following post:

It's my understanding that lynching a Jester either meets that person's win condition, or

penalizes the town

(or person who lynches them) in some way if they're lynched?

Bolded part is interesting. If you believe that lynching a potential jester could penalize the town, why was your vote on him?

3. -insert mandatory Substrike is confused town argument- Do I need to explain further? He could just be speculating for no reason. I do it a lot myself >.<

Now, onto his Cupcake "case". I airquote "case" because there isn't much to be seen. Looking at his ISO, he makes one comment about how she is active lurking, and then re-iterates it. About 10 times.

There is no other reasoning given. The only point Substrike ever addresses is Cupcake's active lurking, even when called out upon it, as seen here:

Substrike:

You're voting Cupcake solely for active lurking? What do you think of his/her softclaim? Cupcake has 92 posts, whereas you have 24. Again, why do you think his/her active lurking is worse than your own?

24 posts with content > 12 posts of content + 80 completely irrelevant ones. (content for her increased a little during the LLD argument, imo)

I don't know why you'd use a protect all ability on day one, assuming we're buying the role claim. And I don't buy a "why not" as an answer to "why". There are clearly all sorts of flavor speculations jumping around right now and hers is just adding fuel to the fire. The fact is, I agree with the people suggesting that there may be safe claims given to scum.

I don't see what I've been doing as active lurking. I've picked my case, made it, and I don't have a good reason to move my vote at this time. If all the other town reads I have want to lynch GIS today, fine. But Cupcake is scum and that's where my vote will be. GIS warrants a (preferable) vig or (not-preferable) investigation, given the VI Hydra status.

Obviously, I'm ignoring the tiny bit of flavor speculation in the middle, which fails the answer any questions about Cupcake's guilt in his eyes ANYWAY.

That's about all I can find on the case against Substrike Albert.

My personal thoughts on the matter is kind of... unknown. >.< Up until this post, I hadn't even known there was a case on Substrike... I hadn't seen him post much of anything, so I didn't consider him.

The points I raised above certainly make me feel more confident in a Substrike lynch. I still kind of like GIS over him, simply because I find GIS to be impossible to reason with, town or scum (more likely scum). At least with Substrike (when he's here) you can get valid arguments/information out of him.

However, I would not object to having GIS become vigbait, and lynching Substrike. (seeing as we have given up on Ythan today >.<) So long as GIS dies too.

Above is my case on Substrike.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Very well.

Vote:Substrike

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Dayvig should wait for Aikages claim, and then kill Aikage.

@Akiage

: Please claim.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Wondering if this shift is affecting night actions too...

Wondering if Chesskid decides that using his power with a shift is a good idea, and then hits an outed Town PR...

Wondering how much farther we could fuck up this game for ourselves...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hi there. 100 pages is going to be a bitch to read. Can someone give me a summary of the most important events of this game, and a page number or two that I can go back and look at? I'd like to get to posting content as fast as I can, and not having to read useless parts of the game will help.

Succinct summary:

Day 1 was a shit show with no information, flavor speculation (mostly by me and Ythan) and very few real cases. Not much info to draw from it.
Claims: -Myself/Nikanor/Cupcake are claimed allignment confirmed masonry of the 3 goddesses of Hyrule.
-Chesskid is claimed as King Zora
-Kairyuu is claimed as King Dodongo(Miller)
-We think Zwet has claimed CPR Miller Doc (Barinade?)
-Substike claims neighbor hood of sages. (He claims Rauru, sage of light)

Day 2: Exilon is claimed as Boss Day Cop, Zelda.
Chronopie claims Spirit Sage (Nabooru) and confirms Substrike's sage neighborhood claim.

People you should ISO: Ythan- I don't like a lot of what he's done, but he does give good points. It'll help you catch up.
Substrike- Found to be fairly scummy. ISO read on him if you don't mind.
Aikage- Just read him, for my entertainment.
Stove- He has some good points, and also has some speculation. ISO read him for scum and for content.

You should read me too... just get a read on my side. If you read me, you'll get a good read on the other Goddess' also (probably).

If anyone sees something I've missed, please notify AKR here.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

But the Frog MUST exist. It croaked.

Therefor, we can assume with a great amount of certainty that whoever placed the frog on Exilon, knew about the shift.

That would be GOHMA, btw. I'm speculating here.

And if GOHMA knows about the shift.... would that make GOHMA anti-town?

Gohma is one of the 3 bosses we are classifying under miller currently.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

...

Boss battle 1: Gohma, the parasitic arachnid.

In this battle, one of the main attacks Gohma will use, is to lay eggs. Out of these eggs will hatch little 1 eyed frog like creatures. Sound familiar?

In other words: Gohma, the parasitic arachnid, has the power to mass produce these frogs. I'm assuming that since this is a targetting power... it's plausible that the person who did this, had to create the frog.

See the connection?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also, this would imply that, if Gohma is the one who makes the frogs, and the one who makes the frogs knew about the shift, and only scum knew about the shift details at the time the frog was used...

A=B=C=D

Ergo, Gohma would be scum. (Assuming the shift was caused by scum).

Ergo, if we believe the first 3 bosses (Gohma,Dodongo,Barinade) to ALL be town miller claims... it can be assumed that either:

A) The miller shit is a fake-claim Reck provided, and they are ALL 3 scum.

OR

B) Barinade and Dodongo are miller, but Gohma would be a fake claim.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Wasn't there a theory that had the first three bosses as town?

See: Most recent post xD

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Lady you don't know the game. Gohma does not lay frog eggs. It lays

gohma larva eggs

. The things that hatch out, apart from not being one of the more frog-looking creatures in the game, are called gohma larvae if you ask Navi. There is nothing froggy about them.

It looks frog-like enough to me damn it!

But Zelda Wiki confirms Ythan is indeed correct. >.<

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The shift is not a fucking constant you fool. Try fucking READING. It's been CONFIRMED that the shift yesterday was different to the shift today (by Kairyuu/Beefster's role ability).

When you've had enough of trying to frame me and Nik, maybe you will find the time to pay attention, and not misdirect and waste town's time.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The shift is not a fucking constant you fool. Try fucking READING. It's been CONFIRMED that the shift yesterday was different to the shift today (by Kairyuu/Beefster's role ability).

When you've had enough of trying to frame me and Nik, maybe you will find the time to pay attention, and not misdirect and waste town's time.

=/ why do people get so rude over a game.
Let me ask you this, when did I ever say that You or Nik were scum? I have not said it once, in fact I have agreed with you for most of this thread because I find you very townie, and frankly you are right about a lot of things.
Although I did make a mistake, I thought Exilion had targeted Chesskid, when in fact it was Nikanor who said he had sane information that Chesskid was town and we all just assumed he was a Night zero cop or day cop, so I do apologize for that. Exilion had targeted you. He got a boss result, we know that due to the shift that isn't the result for you.
The only reason I can think of that would make you think I was accusing you or Nikanor is if the shift yesterday was -14, so before I go any further what was the shift yesterday?

First off, sorry. I thought you were Substrike for some reason(wasn't paying attention) and I was tired of his constant "we have a guilty on LL! Why not her?" >.< The result cop revieved was not on me, but on Kairyuu, a claimed miller, so to clairify, no, we don't have a guilty on me. I shouldn't have yelled though...

Secondly, I'm fairly sure the shift yesterday was -15? It's such that it went from me to hit Kairyuu/Beefster.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

AKR, you realize that:

A) Ythan only believes the young bosses (Gohma,Dodongo,Barinade) are miller.

B) Kairyuu/Beefster claimed miller BEFORE the investigation and shift talk was initiated.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

nameloc: still reading, I'll get back to you
LLD: a) Ok then. I still don't understand this theory. b) Yes, but after he thought he got investigated by Exilon (see the DTM post I quoted)
Ythan: I started my read on page 60, given that many people here have expressed that the first 60 pages are setup speculation and crap.

You don't understand the theory because it involves some game knowledge, and a bit of creativity.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Amazingly enough... The more this game goes on, the more pro-town I did Ythan >.<

[Lady Lambdadelta]

AKR, you're dodging the question.

Please outline how you came to the conclusion that Ythan thought all bosses were miller?

Because at this point your saying "oh DTM said this" and "oh JMJ said that".

Did you have any proof of Ythan saying something leading to your assumption? Even if DTM said something, why did you not ISO ythan to verify?

It's almost like you were trying to frame suspicion on him.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

"I follow Fate because he's obviously town."

I trust BE's reads so much more now.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

How would you say that I've been manipulating people? I'm pretty sure that I've been rather

up front about what I want

(I hardly feel that being demanding's a bad thing). As to telling you to vote for the person I felt was scum... why woudn't I do this? I don't see myself as calling the shots here, care to give examples past chess (I say past chess because chess would've said "ok" to pretty much anybody saying yes or no)? I've moved twards BE, but the votes are still on substrike, and I'm being called scummy for my change (without people actually pointing out how my logic is flawed). I don't really see this as being the guy calling the shots.

Note the italicized.
-I think you're a little too upfront about making points- which looks somewhat manipulative. You seem to have gotten chesskid to follow your "orders." (which, you're probably right- is a nulltell)
-I'm not so much suspicious as concerned. For the past ten posts or so, you seemed to be very matter-of-fact about things that aren't exactly facts, which bothers me.

And some of your suggestions looked more like commands to me.

Maybe it's just your posting style, but I will say IGMEOU.

A


Note italicized.
But you're fine with the way Nik is posting?

I would like to know why your so focused on the masons?

Try not limiting your cases to a whole 2 people

[Lady Lambdadelta]

O_O

Oh.... this could be interesting.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

EBWOP: I need to verify something. Please hold.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't think

I

would have all that much to say about you RayFrost?

If you would like, can ISO you, and find some thing to say about you?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I took it as a specific request, which is why I went to verify something...

P-Edit: I'm actually reading Beefster pretty town.

AKR is scumming it up though, I agree.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Something in the mason QC. No details ;P

Give me a second, and I'll come up with a brief summary of current arguments.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Gonna be LA or tonight. Party time ^-^

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I think it would be interesting to note that, the masonage does not believe the shift goes into the night.

No details, but we are fairly confident in this fact.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

When I'm not being stupid and getting drunk?

I know that's not a good answer >.<

I'll get them to you@-@

[Lady Lambdadelta]

After an ISO read of BE: There are three things that make me think he's scum.

1. His non-commital posts
2. His active lurking/lurking
3. His buddying with Fate(flipped scum).

1. Look at http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 9#p2554019 . The list he posts, and the reasoning he gives for his votes, have no real strength behind them. I hate to reference a case against myself, and I use the word "case" liberally, basically consists of him calling me obv scum based off me asking about an RVS vote and saying that I felt votes were piling on too fast (forgot that it took 15 to lynch). Neither of which creates an "obv scum". He uses non-commital arguments, so that people don't have things to disprove. Other examples can be found early on in his ISO.

2. After BE does a few pages of "content", and feels confident that he has any kind of target off his back, he all but disappears, and only comes back on to re-iterate the fact that I am "obv scum" and that I need to be lynched, as well as vote for himself later when asked. This shows that he hasn't forgotten about this game, but rather, is lurking in the shadows, avoiding suspicion. Not a big deal, if he comes back and starts answering questions that are being asked to him. As of right now though, he's avoiding answering the questions by lurking.

3. If you read through BE's ISO, when he is pushing hard for me ( and not yet lurking), he makes sure to involve Fate in his attack, and makes sure Fate has a way to start attacking me, without making it look like Fate and BE were both tunnelling. Examples can be found in his ISO of him asking Fate for a read on me, and just general buddying with Fate. That's fine, but when Fate dies, not ONLY does BE start lurking harder, but also,

Fate flips scum

. This to me almost solidifies BE as scum for me.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If required, I can provide

specific

examples from BE's ISO, but people should be able to find them themselves if they go look.

Edit: Chesskid, I'm pretty sure we've come to the conclusion that Fate and his Lover were Boss-scum.

Ythan, he not ALL PEOPLE he buddies will be scum, but he did have a strong tie to Fate.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Eh, I just found it unlikely that the two people who pushed for the exact same reads, will be of completely different alignment.

If this is Caps Lock Alliance, (who I have heard of, but do not have an extensive knowledge of) then you would be more equipped than I to tell if the buddying was one of alliance or scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ok. I'll trust you on it then. -shrug-

[Lady Lambdadelta]

What does scum have to gain from buddying that blatantly anyway? I don't see it as scummy for them to pal around and yell.

Isn't that WIFOM?

But regardless, the other points are enough.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

But isn't the statement of "It's too obvious" also be seen as "It's so obvious, no one will pick up on it"?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I can confirm that Nikanor is not claiming a night-vig.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Not what Vezok, /IF/.

Read properly next time.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm not a vig. I am Farore. The nature of my role, if not my role itself, should be obvious to anyone who knows the least bit about Farore.

I don't really want to read anything. I still want BE dead.

God damn you. I think. Maybe.

It's funny Ythan, because I think out of everyone here, you are the one who woul know what his power is.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I meant besides the other masons xD

[Lady Lambdadelta]

He's not coming back. Can I hammer him? Not much time left to wait for a claim...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Deadline is tommorow and he hasn't posted in 6 real life days.

I'm skeptical that he'll show up.

But if you all want to wait for a claim, that's fine, but make sure someone hammers him before deadline please.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yeah... If you're letting him claim, there should be some kind of chance of him not being lynched. Otherwise, it's just as good as lynching him and finding his role...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ellipses are scummy. So is doubting your confirmed mason partner.

I'll... Use ellipses.... All I.... Want.

I'm not.... DOUBTING... Him. Just... Agreeing with... You. He's still... Confirmed to me.... I just... Thought you... Had a valid... Point.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Unvote, Vote: BE

NOTE: THIS IS L-1

We have a deadline TOMMOROW, that I may or may not be able to make. I'm not going to leave the possibility that we end up with no-lynch because no one hammered him.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

EBWOP: What I mean is, leave the possibility that with 2 votes needed to lynch, only one person is online before deadline who has not already voted for BE (in a game full of prods and replacements).

[Lady Lambdadelta]

RayFrost [RUTO],

Sealed Water Sage

aka

Super Commuter Temporary Lovestriking Sage

, killed N2
Substrike22 [BETH],

Poe Cheating Even-Night Strongman

, killed N2

So that's 2 neighbours dead.

I'm the third, we can assume that there's one <orange?> scum member left in the four sages that remain. 1/4. 25%. sounds like average odds for a large game anyway. So scumhunt at large, don't ask for me to out the others.

Um.... why is one of the 4 Poe sisters from the forest temple being considered a sage?

If you guys have anyone else as a Poe Sister in that group, I'd advise you to out them now...

I'm interested in hearing what Substrike's claim was to you guys in your QT?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

RayFrost [RUTO],

Sealed Water Sage

aka

Super Commuter Temporary Lovestriking Sage

, killed N2
Substrike22 [BETH],

Poe Cheating Even-Night Strongman

, killed N2

So that's 2 neighbours dead.

I'm the third, we can assume that there's one <orange?> scum member left in the four sages that remain. 1/4. 25%. sounds like average odds for a large game anyway. So scumhunt at large, don't ask for me to out the others.

Um.... why is one of the 4 Poe sisters from the forest temple being considered a sage?

If you guys have anyone else as a Poe Sister in that group, I'd advise you to out them now...

I'm interested in hearing what Substrike's claim was to you guys in your QT?

Substrike claimed he was Rauru in the game thread.
Are we to assume that all scum have a fake claim?

It would be safe to assume that the 4 Poe sisters have infiltrated the sages sacred realm, and are disguised as the 4 of the sages.

I place a serious

FoS: Sage Neighborhood

because I'm fairly certain 3 more of them are scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Here's my theory:

The sages need to kill the temple bosses to unlock their powers; Twinrova is one of them. What does this mean? For one, it means that killing members of the faction "Boss scum" will grant the sages powers. It also means that there can't be a Boss scum inside the sage temple, because that would mean gaining a set of abilities from killing someone of his own scum faction. My theory is that there was scum inside the temple from the Purple faction, but not the Boss scum faction.

So from this theory, I confirm as town Chronopie and the rest of the sages.

In addition to that are the two masons who were partnered with Nikanor, who is now confirmed town.

Don't like this. I understand the theory, but I believe it to be flawed.

The primary flaw is bolded in the quote. How does Boss Scum = Not Scum? You yourself admitted to possible multiple factions. It is also confirmed that Substrike was scum, AND that he was part of the sage neighborhood.

I agree. None of the sages can be boss scum, due to their claims of "killing boss scum to gain powers", and substrike's flip.

My theory is as follows: Some credit goes to Ythan for this. The scum grouping inside the Sacred realm of the sages is full of MINI BOSSES. For example: The Poe Sisters? Ythan mentioned that the mini bossed could be scum earlier on.

ALSO, I think that it would make sense that the mini bossed would want Boss Scum dead, both in flavor and in game tactic.

The mini bosses would want to take power from the high level bosses, after years of subjugation. Also, with 2 different scum teams, one would want to get rid of the other at some point.

The other point I'd like to make is that I believe Twinrova to be DEAD, with the 2 witch lovers gone.

Now that it has been shown that at least 1 neighbor was scum, with a fake claim, it makes sense that Chrono would be scum, as he has no powers to show for the death of Twinrova.

Vote: Chrono

[Lady Lambdadelta]

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p2635064

The part about the Poe's death, where it says "One of the Poe Sisters is dead", reads to me as there being more than 1 Poe sister.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

There are 4 Poe sisters. One is dead. It stands to reason that if there is one, and it's NAMED, then there is likely 3 more.

If there ARE 3 more... it would be likely to be part of the same neighborhood. A scum neighborhood with a few town sages remaining perhaps?

But it's also possible that the other poes could be outside the neighborhood.... I just don't trust Chrono.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

AKR, ignore Aikage.

Can we get a dayvig up in here? Aikage for vigbait 2010 <3

[Lady Lambdadelta]

In anycase, can we have some Chrono votes?

I don't like this claim about Twinrova still being alive. I think Chrono is Poe scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Confirmed town is Me and Cupcake, as claimed masonage to Nikanor since day 1.

Nothing else really solid at this point. Chrono has claimed a sage, but there's dispute as to whether that's real or not.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Those are, uh, post restriction penalties? They call for extra votes on Nafuyu (and whoever replaced mafuyu)

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm right behind you on this one AKR.

What the hell does all this mean?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Chrono has 42 purple scum points.

Also, Chrono came off of "Not Voting" to help swing a wagon off of Substrike, and on to BE.

I know they were neighborhood, but I still don't like it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't see why you're so focused on Ythan right now Cupcake.

At worst, he's scum trying to play up a town personna, which is infinitely more helpful than other people.

And I read slight town on him recently, so Ythan's not the play today.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

This is the other head of Le Cupcake. Apologies for having been busy... We have finally had the chance to analyze.

Anythings, regarding Ythan's case and play:

1.

"Quote comes from game. Therefore, you are scum!"

As had been covered in the past few pages, this has been invalidated.

2.

"Nayru is not an aquatic Goddess. What a shitty fake claim."

LLD has posted plenty of references regarding the fact that Nayru is indeed often associated with water. We do not know the game. We cannot support our claim with in-game references.

BE then says

If you look at my iso, in the OTHER Zelda wiki, there are LOTS of references to water, zoras and aquatic nature.

That doesn't help if that's not the site that Reck+dram used.

because you know, there is NO WAY the mods used any other site, and you DEFINITELY know which sites they used. Yeah, no.

3.

So, why did we say that Ythan spew BS? Because he assumes that he is right without supporting your arguments against LLD apart from

“I know the game! It cannot possibly be that Nayru is aquatic and thus I will choose to ignore all your references and evidence that associate Nayru with water! Because, guess what, I say it’s impossible! Oh hey, other people like jenniwren and jmj have posted also claiming the link between Nayru and water."

Example:

Din flat out is fire. There is a reason her spell in the game is called "Din's Fire". So, using that logic and connection, its not such a leap to assume Nayru is aquatic and Farore is verdant. I have also always associated water with protection and Nayru's Love is out and out a protection spell...(irrelevant info omitted)

"That’s okay, I’ll choose to ignore them but telling them to post an analysis, even if it BLATANTLY clear what their point is (post 1003). And anyways, I’ll ignore their point anyways because they’re WRONG and I’m right. Yep, that’s it. I’ll just keep posting BS.”

4.

The following is about Ythan’s summary on page 41.

(here, here and here)

“Cupcake claims aquatic goddess. It’s incorrect.”

Why does he say this? Because he assumes that he knows everything about the flavor and how the mods worked the flavor from the actual games into this mafia game.

“LLD starts her defense. It’s not a good one. And she OMGUS’ed me.”

In actuality, Ythan fails to really refute any of her arguments beyond “It’s wrong!” For example, her reason for voting him in the first place

2.

You are pushing Against Cupcake with false information, hoping that no one will notice!

Much more likely. There is so little evidence against Cupcake, and you are scrounging to get more. This isn't something a townie should be doing.

VOTE: Ythan

He never comments on this, by the way, apart from saying it's proxy-OMGUS.

We activated Nayru’s Love to protect ourselves. This resulted in the cuccos being disintegrated into little blue particles. LLD points out that this is likely the blue force field known as Nayru’s Love because it is logical that when things collide into a force field, they disintegrate. Ythan’s refute?

“You’re lying.”

963 Lady LD claims that Cupcake was defended by a blue forcefield, ie Nayru's Love. Too bad she's completely lying.

Absolutely amazing refute, isn’t it? Ythan assumes he knows everything about this game, when in fact, it is completely false. He is not one of the mods, but yet he feels the need to strut around acting a god.

5.

“LLD is poorly defending Cupcake based on lies!”

This is just BS. Why? Because Ythan has thus far been unable to disprove anything without basing it off of flavor speculation. All he does is make forceful statements that are completely unsupported. And when others post relevant information that go against him, such as the cases with jenniwren and jmj, he ignores them. Ythan’s strategy is this: he makes strong accusations, calling people liars, hoping that the certainty in his words will completely mask his lack of proof, and thus win other people’s support. This tactic is commonly used, not just in mafia. One uses emotive words and assertive claims so that others will be more inclined to listen/believe them without probing any deeper.

6.

LLD points out Ythan’s lack of proof and his constant defenses that consist of

“You’re lying. I’m right.”

What is Ythan’s response?

“Quit whining. I don’t care”

which is a reflection of all his arguments.

And I'll note that you provide NO PROOF that I am lying. You just come out and say it. You flood the chat with meaningless drabble, just to make it look re-searched, when nothing in your statements is based on FACT.

You keep saying "I LIED". Prove it. Other wise, you are the liar.

I'm

explaining

why you're a liar. You don't need to make three posts in a row to complain about it.

Your explanation shows no "proof".

All you say is "You're lying" or "I'm right, stop complaining".

Prove it, scum. Defend yourself with logic, or be ignored. Honestly.

Keep whining. It really doesn't matter. I don't need to spoonfeed this to you ad nauseum.

The fact is that he has no proof for what he says beyond

“I know the Zelda game and the mods definitely wouldn’t do that. I know exactly what the mods would/have chosen to do in this game.”

_______________________________________________

You're just saying you've done things or that I've done things and you don't refer to them specifically because you're as completely full of shit as your case and you're hoping someone will be stupid enough to take your word for it. Please sit in a corner until enough players check in for us to lynch you or your scumbuddy.

PRETTY MUCH SUMS UP WHAT YTHAN HAS BEEN DOING FOR THE PAST 20 PAGES OR SO.

Pretty sure Cupcake means this one.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Not quite true. It would say any future Night Actions you will make since getting the frog.

Note: Chrono is confirmed not to be Boss-scum, by exilon's report.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Those are, uh, post restriction penalties? They call for extra votes on Mafuyu (and whoever replaced mafuyu)

[Lady Lambdadelta]

We've determined this in the past already.

More Chronopie votes please?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

He didn't know Nikanor was the PGO. He only knew that I was the one who claimed PGO.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Who did DGB replace off that list?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You guys are arguing the same point. (I think)

Albert, are you saying that it is unlikely that there is a third scum called "Twinrova"?

If so, I agree.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Haylen?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That Gohma claim is weird... but Reck would provide a fakeclaim, you would think?

The Forest Temple Boss is Phantom Ganon...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Aikage, listen to me: Quote your role Pm. Please.

This

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Fine. Let's drive him to the noose, and make him claim.

unvote, vote: Aikage

[Lady Lambdadelta]

8 Votes. L-1

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That's actually a more protown move.

Wanting to avoid a quick hammer.

We've wanted Aikage to claim for a few days now.

The votes are to make sure he claims.

Tell me this: Nikanor claimed A fake role (Cop) along with his clearing Chess. He didn't just softclaim that "Chess is clear". That's the difference. We want his claim.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm slightly biased in the fact that I had/have a QT in which I discussed these things with Nika. Maybe I'm remembering something like that. >.<

P-Edit: If you're asking me to re-read, I have a request of you.

Stop tunneling AKR. I swear, all I ever see from you is walls of AKR.

I see your points about him, but find other people JIC town doesn't want him strung up yet/he gets cleared.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

-blink-

And this is why folks, we don't skim while reading.

How many posts did you do about ABR? I'm pretty sure I just added those together with your points on AKR.

Considering my first point was going to be the wall where you "defended Aikage by stating that AKR was scummier than he".

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh boy... This is gonna mean I have to go re-read everything.

Again.

Excuse me for a moment, would you?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

wow life has been really crazy. im startin to like dtm more and more the more i read his posts! i understand his case on beefster completely since it involves me.

for those that dont get it dtm is sayin that beefster said that i should claim because if gandalf had claimed early (like beefster wants me t oclaim early) gandalf wouldnt have been lynched. but beefster said back on d1 that gandalfs claim was scummy!! this is a really bad contradiction and i don know why there arnt more otes on him.

unvote:
vote: beefster

i still think akr is scummy, but i am not active enough to make a really good case on him im afraid and i dont think many peopl ewill listen to me over dtms scum read, which is proabyly smart.

speakin of not bein active, mothrax is still very scummy. he keeps makin excuses and defenses all over people sayin he is lurkin!! i am inactive too and i have excuses oo, but i dont spend all my postin time complainin aout them or defending myself. mothrax has spent a lot of his last posts sayin he wasnt lurkin and shouldnt be seen as scummy fo lurkin and blah blah blah but he promised content and never delivered, which if he wasnt complainin aout people sayin hes lurkin he would deliver them!

Nice OMGUS. What is your role?

This ALONE needs some lynching for it.

unvote

I want Aikage claiming. I want to see just how "clear" Ythan is, so we can move forward.

However... I have a big problem with Beef... And a certain piece of info given by Chrono.

If Chrono is telling the truth about Gohma being a seal release for the forest sage... That would make Gohma scum...

Which means I'm really not buying this miller claim.

Another thing: When I prodded Kairyuu about his role early on in the game... He refused to give info.

Yet, this "monstrous" claim kept surfacing. It was added as part of the role... But I'm feeling that to get around the flavor, it had to be added to the fake claims.

As it is... I see what DTM is saying about Beef... But I'm not willing to lynch him yet due to his protown involvement with yesterday.

DTM, do you have a case on Bunnylover I can read?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I doubt that Zwet full claimed.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

We lynched our Vig. >.<

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Suprizingly, that's believable. >.<

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I want to lynch Zwet.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

AKR, pay more attention.

JMJ was Biggron. Mauled to death N2.

This is consistent with Aikage's claim.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If DTM is scum, DTM deserves to live another day just for that. No scum would ever try that hard to prove this point.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Unvote, Vote: KoC

Not liking that last post. At ALL.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That's nameloc

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't like that Argument KoC.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

How about this then?

"Oh hey! Aikage's wagon is near lynch! If I push it a little harder, I can get rid of a really powerful town role, with minimal collateral damage to my game!"

Does that work for you?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

How about this then?

"Oh hey! Aikage's wagon is near lynch! If I push it a little harder, I can get rid of a really powerful town role, with minimal collateral damage to my game!"

Does that work for you?

This is why Ythan.

And obviously I was joking about DTM. If I understand the term correctly, it would almost seem like he's chainsaw defending Aikage.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

KoC, is that reallynthe argument your going to use?

Because if that's your reason why Aikage should be lynched for his claim, then you're just as useless as he is.

@Mothrax: Dude, did you just totally ignore the other part of his claim, where he is shown as a Town JOAT?

I mean... It's nice you're presenting evidence and all, but could you try to not manipulate it to your needs next time?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

An inventor... With 5 different inventions... And the ability to Uncover what each one does...

Sounds like a complicated JOAT to me.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Beefster, why don't you let Vezok defend himself?

For those who are wondering: I'm completely scrapping the first 100 posts, and starting over with reads. That first 100 pages is a shit storm.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I agree KoC's case is bad, but be careful of how you state things.

That's what I'm learning. I say things meaning one thing, and having people understand an entirely different point >.>

[Lady Lambdadelta]

HOLY CRAP! There's still a shift! I just got an invalid target PM from Reck. Someone else is pulling the strings.

This may sound crazy, but I've been thinking... Could BE have had a role that allowed him to flip anything he wanted? I've heard of this happening before. (Though it might have been a bastard game; I can't remember) Maybe he's actually in kahoots with the real shifter and pulled a flip gambit. Have any sages been unsealed?

Occam's Razor. Not likely.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Great.

So ABR and Aikage are town, one way or another then!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Sorry if I don't trust your "gut scum read".

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Because it is you who made the read ^_^

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Aikage could not have written that claim himself.

Also, I'm fairly sure if Mod allows us to quote PM's, then he has provided full fake claims for all scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If you hav a daykill, it should be used on Zwet.

He's not town in the eyes of the masonry (me and cupcake).

But what about this shift?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh, yeah.

If scum has a RBer, wouldn't they just use it on him regardless of target?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm just going to vote whoever DTMaster is voting.

Aikage, could you be a sweatheart and bomb this one for me?

Arigatou Gozaimasu!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

EBWOP: *Sweetheart

Yes! Loving my typos <3

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also a DGB sheep is scary. A DGB rabid wolf pack leader is what I expect.

Some games leave little room for me to lead, for instance, games that feature both Fate and I.

And I sure can't dazzle anyone with my canny interpretation of flavor stuff; I know nothing of the flavor and need to rely on others.

So wait, let me get this straight.

You cannot help lead our town because:

1)Fate is in the game
2) You don't know the flavor

Just a few points about this.

Firstly,

FATE IS DEAD.

Not sure how much more clear I can get about that. So, for my benefit, and for anyone else who is interested, please reiterate why you can't play to your normal meta (which apparently is good? Your reputation is preceding you a bit here) because Fate is in this game,

when Fate died Night 1, and you replaced in D2?

By this fact, it becomes obvious to me that

Fate, as a player, should have no effect on how you perform in this game.

Secondly, I agree flavor knowledge is good. It's always nice to know a little about the story the game is based off of, so you can make inferences. However, this does not limit you to being bound by flavor knowledge.

There are other ways of finding scum, than relying on flavor.

As a matter of fact, it's been re-iterated to me several times NOT to rely on flavor knowledge. But you already knew this. Again, if your reputation is as good as people in this thread are saying it is, you would have no problems scum hunting in this game.

So again, here are some questions I want to ask you:

Why does a dead Fate affect your ability to play in this game, when you have never come into contact with him in this game?

Why does flavor knowledge limit you so much, to the point that you can only sheep others (by self-admission)?

I won't do anything until I hear these answers, but for now

FoS:DGB

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So you can't scum hunt based on other things outside of flavor?

Is that what you are saying?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@ Mod: Requesting a deadline extension if at all possible

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Understandable.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'd be up for an AKR, KOC, DGB lynch.

Leaning away from the Beefster lynch. I was ready to let Aikage swing from the gallows for his lack of a claim too... I find it to be a very null read.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Kdub, you have a problem with those suggestions?

Cause if you do, you should be asking about me, not bunny. I suggested them.

I have reasons. Do you have reasons to dislike those lynches?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh, ok.

Please be more clear for me next time. ^_^ I actually happen to agree with this point, but I missed it the first time.

Thanks for pointing it out.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also [/facepalm] at Aikage's most recent post.

QFT.

Ythan, Aikage lynch in pointless.

I want people on a Bunnylover OR KoC lynch. Their conflict is not Town on Town. One of them is scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I have a gut read on you. I'm sorry that we have so little else to go on really...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Aikage is a waste of a lynch.

More votes on KoC please/

[Lady Lambdadelta]

There are major scums on the Aikage wagon. JSYK

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If there are any cop or tracker roles left: Please follow KDub.

Arigatou <3

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Good Kills last night.

Sucks to lose our OTHER COP. :S

Chrono is cleared.

We have 2 unsealed sages (y)

Good things should happen today ^_^

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Are you asking about Lambdadelta?

http://umineko.wikia.com/wiki/Lambdadelta

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Kinda like this one UK did? http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 54&t=13447

;P

[Lady Lambdadelta]

As for a lynch...

Vote: Bunnylover

I like that for now.

P-Edit: C'est quoi Goofbash?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That's actually French, but that's not important.

What is this "Goofbash"? is what I meant to ask.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm Canadian Actually

[Lady Lambdadelta]

East Coast, Actually.

But, I see this is in Montreal.

Quebec isn't that far actually... Hmmmm....

[Lady Lambdadelta]

In order:

N.B, actually. Only official bilingual province <3

Why thank you :')

We can't be friends in game? ;_; (Nah, I'm kidding. Would love you befriend you ^_^)

Goofbash will depend on how much money I can wrangle up.

P-Edit: Will give reasons on a separate post from this one Bunny.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LL: No, I was referring to the bolded:

I would be willing to lynch

DGB. KOC and AKR,

I haven't seen what people are finding scummy about them

, but I may have just missed/forgotten what people have said about them.

Doesn't matter who Bunny would have named there.

Let's start here.

Explain yourself.

Cross Examination begins now ^_^

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Trust me, I'm not afraid to hang you from the nearest gallows if I get even the slightest inkling that you're scum.

But that doesn't mean I can't be pleasant in game ^_^

In any case, I want to see how Bunny handles things.

P-Edit: So you're saying that you wanted other people to make a case for you? But you were also willing to lynch them without the case?

Contradiction. If you wanted a case so badly, either push for it harder or HEAVEN FORBID, make one yourself.

Your argument doesn't hold water.

Next question: Why didn't you post your own cases, rather than asking for other peoples?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

No I was not saying that. But I believed that other people had made cases against them, and therefore I would like to know what those were. I know the case on DGB. I wasn't positive about the case on KoC. AKR has been a null read for me, so as I stated before I had no quells in lynch him.

I wanted people to say, "Well here the case: ", so I could confirm, "Ok, I am thinking on the same line as why they are a viable lynch."

I am still not positive if I am right about the case on KoC. No one has come and said, yes that is why. I did what I said I was going to do, be the hammer on him if only to avoid a no lynch.

It is true I should have probably done my own investigation and Iso the people to make my own case against them.

I think I answered your next question in this post without realizing it.

Preview Edit:
Looking through the remaining players, the ones who are lurking/non contributing and that I suspect:
DGB. His agurements for not contributing are strange. Because he does not know the game, he can not help us on flavor. Well thats find and dandy, but you don't win mafia by flavor speculation now do you? His obvious sheeping of DTM vote was noted. He's not even paying attention to the thread. His other reason for not contributing is because their are other people that are more advance then leading then he is. You don't need to be a leader to give your opinions out.
Ythan. Lately he has gone into a lurking state. He has stop posting, rather it be to attack someone for their idiotness or to post his opinion. If you notice on Day 3, I believe he completely dies off. Waiting too see how he does today.
Vezo. She been able to just come in and do what she pleas. I haven't seen anyone question any of her post. She just seems to be sliding by.

I would beg to disagree with the next sentence. I believe that I give out my opinions and give reasoning. Or if I do not give reasoning, when question I give it out. Can you provide some example where I fail to give reasons for my opinion?

The bolded line confirms you as a scum looking to sheep someone's opinion as your own.
The italics line is something I wish to question: If you agree that you should have made your own cases, WHY HAVEN'T YOU MADE ONE YET? Like, RIGHT NOW?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@LLD:
I think I did make a case on DGB. I pointed out what I do not like about him, why it does not hold ground. Yes, its sad that is that small =/.
If I am sheeping off of someone own opinion, I will tell you. You can look at my ISO, and any time I sheep,

I would say "I agree"

, but even then I give my own opinion on the situation so people know that I am not just some blindless and mindless player just following anyone who makes a case.
I ask you: What is the point of someone making a case against a player, if no one else is allowed to use that case to justify their vote? Does that not mean if a person makes a case against another person, then everyone else must find out another reason not stated by that player to vote? I apologize for the direct and rudeness this may hold in advance.

Why would scum ever agree to my arguments?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm saying you are a liar.

When you are being accused of something, you fight back against it if it is false (and I'm calling you scum, so unless you're claiming scum....)

We post cases, since, just because you deny something, doesn't make it false. You can deny that the Earth rotates the Sun. Doesn't make it false.

So here it is. I'm calling you scum. I've given (yet another) reason for it. You say it cannot be true because, and I quote, "if it were, I would agree with you".

Yeah, no.

More votes here please.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I have shown a few examples of you being a sheep.

You countered by saying "if I was a sheep, I'd admit to it".

I am saying that is a lie, and FURTHERMORE that it MUST be a lie.

If you were to agree at ANY point that you were sheeping someone, that's equivalent to saying "I'm scummy, lynch me". No one would ever do that.

So, your whole defense for how you are not sheeping is crap.

So find a new proof showing that you aren't sheeping other peoples opinions, and trying to pass them off as original.

Because your current defense is bullshit TBQH.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also a DGB sheep is scary. A DGB rabid wolf pack leader is what I expect.

Some games leave little room for me to lead, for instance, games that feature both Fate and I.

And I sure can't dazzle anyone with my canny interpretation of flavor stuff; I know nothing of the flavor and need to rely on others.

So wait, let me get this straight.

You cannot help lead our town because:

1)Fate is in the game
2) You don't know the flavor

Just a few points about this.

Firstly,

FATE IS DEAD.

Not sure how much more clear I can get about that. So, for my benefit, and for anyone else who is interested, please reiterate why you can't play to your normal meta (which apparently is good? Your reputation is preceding you a bit here) because Fate is in this game,

when Fate died Night 1, and you replaced in D2?

By this fact, it becomes obvious to me that

Fate, as a player, should have no effect on how you perform in this game.

Secondly, I agree flavor knowledge is good. It's always nice to know a little about the story the game is based off of, so you can make inferences. However, this does not limit you to being bound by flavor knowledge.

There are other ways of finding scum, than relying on flavor.

As a matter of fact, it's been re-iterated to me several times NOT to rely on flavor knowledge. But you already knew this. Again, if your reputation is as good as people in this thread are saying it is, you would have no problems scum hunting in this game.

So again, here are some questions I want to ask you:

Why does a dead Fate affect your ability to play in this game, when you have never come into contact with him in this game?

Why does flavor knowledge limit you so much, to the point that you can only sheep others (by self-admission)?

I won't do anything until I hear these answers, but for now

FoS:DGB

Except this whole post I had on DGB...

OH, by nice attempt at trying to deflect blame onto another person. Shifting the target is SCUMMY.

And for examples of you sheeping, see my last 5-10 posts. Thank you.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm pretty sure you just failed, BL.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ok, you're scum.

Not only are you ignoring the fact that you refused to post any case, but you blatantly are now attacking DGB for the exact same thing YOU are doing!

AND you didn't even give a case on him, besides the fact that he was sheeping by self admission.

His reads more as apathy. Yours reads as SCUM.

ALSO. I was pressuring YOU, about a point. This was not about HIM. When you take my point, and say "Look! These people are doing this too! They are scum if I am!", that makes you scum in my mind. Near 100%.

Your vote on DGB confirmed it for me.

I WANT ALL VOTES ON BUNNYLOVER. WE'RE RUNNING HIM UP TO THE GALLOWS FOR A CLAIM

That's all I have to say. Bunny, you can post whatever defense you feel is necessary. You can try and convince anyone who will listen that you are innocent.

But the prosecution is confident in your guilt.

This level of reasoning is possible for Lambdadelta.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LL: No, I was referring to the bolded:

I would be willing to lynch

DGB. KOC and AKR,

I haven't seen what people are finding scummy about them

, but I may have just missed/forgotten what people have said about them.

Doesn't matter who Bunny would have named there.

Let's start here.

Explain yourself.

Cross Examination begins now ^_^

Evidence.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I would beg to disagree with the next sentence. I believe that I give out my opinions and give reasoning. Or if I do not give reasoning, when question I give it out. Can you provide some example where I fail to give reasons for my opinion?

Everywhere. You recycle cases and regurgitate them later or you just say that you agree. That's not providing your own reasoning.

So I can't say, "I agree with this" and then give my own opinion as well?
What cases have I recycle?

I have only made one case and that is on DGB, and even that is small.

What is the point of other people making cases if no one can agree with them or put their input into it?

Bolded: Exactly. You have only made ONE case in this game, and it happens to be RIGHT AFTER I showed you MY case on him.

@ABR: If he's so scummy, please place your vote on him. This is the play for today.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Beefster needs a vig shot.

Like, ASAP.