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Okay, FFFFUUUU. I'm stopping for the night at page 36. This stuff's too long for a one-night read + something coherent at the end of it. I'll read the rest o the 300000 pages you guys pop up while I'm sleeping tomorrow.
Current opinion from where I'm at:unvote
I srsly have no scum reads right now. Too burnt out from a 5/6 post noise/redundancy ratio that is this game to come up with anything. I'll get back to you when I'm done reading through.don't you feel silly now?-
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First off, an image to express my reaction of the ythan vs LLD debate:
SRSLY. You've rehashed this argument e4173851740857 times.
NAYRUMAY OR MAY NOTBE AQUATIC. <-- FACT
THE CLAIMMAY OR MAYNOT BE FAKE. <--- FACT
FLAVRWILL NOT WORKIN BREAKING THIS GAME OR FIGURING OUT WHO IS SCUM. <--- FACT
STOP DEBATING IT.
JUST.
STOP.
Second off, most of the posting in this thread is redundant, contentless arguments like above. STOP IT OR RISK THIS HAPPENING TO YOU:
Now that's out o' the way...
Let's move on to who the scum are.
First post in forever, and it's defending BL with no content. Gais, scum found. Srsly, substrike, wtf. WHY ARE YOU NOT POSTING?Substrike22 wrote: or cop, or doctor, or mafia...
Your first post in forever is a one-liner that does absolutely fuck all.
Your next post is contentless complaining about the lolbashing between LLD and Ythan without actually doing a damned thing to prevent it or provide alternatives.
Your overall play is, in of itself, not contributing and lurky.
This guy's got the right idea. And he's town. C-C-COMBO
Gandalf/Shotty = scum
The contradiction of 'lynch the guy that's confirmed cuz lolVI' and 'nooo nu lynch VI'
in combination with 'LYNCH YTHAN, LL IS RIGHT' with 'LL IS WRONG, YTHAN IS TOWN' bugs the hell out of me.
Now, this could be born from the fact you guys are a hydra, but I'm not going to be lenient about this. You should've gotten your act together before you decided to post stuff.
These two are scum.
I do not understand the chronopie case, and would like it if someone (re)iterated it.
I do not agree with a cupcake lynch at this time, nor do I agree with a LLD lynch at this time.
As far as I can see, the argument for lynching cupcake is the POSSIBILITY that cupcake made a fakeclaim. That's a crap case.
As far as I can see, the argument for lynching LLD is the fact she said there is a POSSIBILITY of Nayru being aquatic (well... more said 'THIS BE TRUTH' but eh). That's a crap case.
I don't agree with lynching ythan either.
GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER, PEOPLE.
THIS IS PAGE 60 AND YOU LOT ARE STILL GOING CRAP CASES.
Seriously.
If you are so incapable of coming up with good cases, just follow my lead here:
Vote: GIS
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NAYRUUntrod Tripod wrote:Here's what I don't get: why is the argument about whether or not Nayru would be aquatic? Shouldn't it bug you guys a lot more than Naryu DOES NOT REALLY APPEAR IN THE GAME? The claim is bullshit because Nayru isn't a character in the game. She only appears in historical cutscenes.
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your claim is bullshit and you are scumMAY OR MAYNOT BE A ROLE IN THIS GAME. <--- FACT
WHETHER YOU THINK NAYRU IS NOT A VALID PART OF THE GAMEDOES NOT MATTER. <--- FACT
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EBWOP (plus a bit extra): Second fact needs to leave out the first not.
Oh, and I forgot the important bit of that:
Voting purely based off of the claim is bad play.
It's assuming too many things about the mods' thought processes. You'd have to assume the mods 1) didn't provide fakeclaims (if cupcake was scum, flavor-proof fakeclaims would be necessary in a heavily flavored game like this one) and 2) consider Nayru /other goddesses to be insignificant (you aren't psychic, so yeah).don't you feel silly now?-
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Ythan's push on cupcake seems like overzealous town tunneling more than scum stretching to remove the validity of a claim - it's a high flavor game, so trying to tear down a potential fakeclaim through flavor is a surefire way to attract attention for no benefit.
Although I agree that he's being an arrogant arse, I do not think that it means he is scum.
LL, would you kindly post all of your questions that you feel Ythan has failed to answer in your next post? This way, nobody has to trawl through the fifteen pages of "NO U" to find the questions you feel are relevant.
I'm giving your case a fair deal here, but I have to say that the likelihood of ythan getting lynched today is nil. It simply isn't going to happen. He's an arrogant arse that lacks enough knowledge to know what he doesn't know (from my read). Others are scum.
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I'll iso-read and then (if i have the time) get a post up with other points.RayFrost wrote:This guy's got the right idea. And he's town. C-C-COMBO
Gandalf/Shotty = scum
The contradiction of 'lynch the guy that's confirmed cuz lolVI' and 'nooo nu lynch VI'
in combination with 'LYNCH YTHAN, LL IS RIGHT' with 'LL IS WRONG, YTHAN IS TOWN' bugs the hell out of me.
Now, this could be born from the fact you guys are a hydra, but I'm not going to be lenient about this. You should've gotten your act together before you decided to post stuff.don't you feel silly now?-
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You forget one crucial possibility.Dekes wrote:I wanna add here: Why is LL scum and Cupcake town?
Sorry, I can't see scum motivation for defending a townie for well over 20 pages over flavor. This seems too much of effort to look townie.
It'smore likely that both are scumand since Cupcake is bulletproof LL is defending her heavily so not to lose their most powerful(?) role D1.
The other option would be LL town and she just believes Cupcake is town beyond common sense.
But I simply don't see LL-scum/Cupcake-town motivation for LL's behaviour here.
They could both be town.*gasp*
The reason that LL-town could be defending Cupcake-town in this instance is the following:
Theincorrectuse of flavor as an argument needs to get countered, LL did so. Fact: So did I, and I would've done so if I were around during the debate. The flavor argument was wrong and bad. LL's posts read as someonepointing out how crappy that case is. This has nothing to do with LL's actual read of cupcake.
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I am aware. The issue was all the stuff you tacked on + the fact people didn't/don't like you. Extra stuff gets lumped with the Nayru stuff, and people go for discrediting everything from genericI don't agree with youmindset. *shrugs* I'm a new face, and I stated it as its own stuff.don't you feel silly now?-
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Claims a desire to have a competing bandwagon, but does to actually get it.
The logic is fine, but the next post shows a complete lack of understanding as to the incentive(s) that a scumbuddy would have for saving chess. Specifically, theabsolute lack of positive impactfrom doing so. Seems like convenient blindness more than actual lack of understanding.
This contradicts url #1
This is blatant role fishing (the "I'm not trying to role fish" is flim flam), and it's not a valid point for a vote if it's just a possibility, but I've already gone into that.
This contradicts the argument that Nayru's flavor doesn't fit. If scum have fakeclaims and cupcake is scum, flavor fits. If cupcake is town, flavor fits.
THIS POST MAKES NO SENSE. "I could make it so I'm the only one vannilized, BUT I AM SUPER IMPORTANT ROLE LOLOL" <--- No reason to claim in any fashion, yet still does so while offering to be vannilized. The contradiction is palpable.
I like the self-meta, since it's a scumslip. "I hate when people compare other people to their own play, cuz I do it when I'm scum." Even admits to doing so. Hai scum. Not getting how GIS is getting "King Zora CAN'T be scum"
Arguing that LL has only said one protown thing... feh, obvious disagreement from me, but anyway... bashing on LL for not providing content inone postis bad, considering the relative number of contentless post from GIS, not to mention the factLL was behind by 30 pages. Who the hell's going to make a contentful post when they have 30 pages to read?
Quoting LL as saying she wants to save her buddy in the post also contradicts the fact GIS also said something similar previously.
Ythan is not the most obvtown player. I am. (aside from me, fate's more obvtown than ythan) I also don't see why gandalf is bashing LL for 'voting frm one mistake' when ythan was voting off of flavor, which is approximately equivalent.
Re dram and reck would totally confirm town via flavor: Yes, because dram and reck would totally out scum through flavor (roles).
Next two posts are without content. Hmmm... what was it that GIS said?
Ah yes.
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The inconsistency's hardly the largest part, though there is easily potential for scum motivation:Nikanor wrote:I can't see the scum motivation for the inconsistency between the heads of GIS.
By the hydra being scum, they can make use of shotty's VI rep to allow them to support pretty much any wagon and then, whenever pressure is applied, gandalf can come in and go "lolwut? SHOTTY STOP FUCKING UP" to excuse things.
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Pointing out what's been scummy in cupcake's play would be a great way to help.Substrike22 wrote:My vote stays on Cupcake, I think she's acted the most legitimately scummy out of everyone andI haven't seen much else that's been scummy. I've noted contradictions in Gandalf's play as well,so I'd be willing to switch my vote over there after I get a chance to iso, but for now I'll leave it on Cupcake.
Blatant following of the popular bandwagon is noted, btw.
Also, bolded a contradiction.
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No, no.GandalfIzSik wrote:
So you think that I'm posting and pretending to be shotty? Lol. Also, shotty's vote is hardly support for a wagon.RayFrost wrote:
The inconsistency's hardly the largest part, though there is easily potential for scum motivation:Nikanor wrote:I can't see the scum motivation for the inconsistency between the heads of GIS.
By the hydra being scum, they can make use of shotty's VI rep to allow them to support pretty much any wagon and then, whenever pressure is applied, gandalf can come in and go "lolwut? SHOTTY STOP FUCKING UP" to excuse things.
Read my above post for other stuff I don't like.
I'm saying that, via your hydra QT, you can coordinate shotty's "poor" play. It's not a point against you guys, just my responding to nikanor to show a potential scum mtivation for inconsistency.
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Worthless posts make me :RAEG:Blooderection wrote: I can't believe you just asked me that.
Are you trying to make me angry, BC? No? Then thank you for admitting to being scum.
Unless, of course, you are actively choosing to be worthless? In that case, you still need to die.
Meh. The requesting entry is more my seeing how fate reacts. If he's not amenable to my joining, the likelihood that he's paying much attention to what I'm saying is lessened. *shrug*Chronopie wrote:
And... just went down several notches in my book.RayFrost wrote:@ Fate:
Requesting formal entrance into the caps lawke alliance provided I don't have to caps lawke. Also DEMANDING a GIS vote.
But he was right, I did need to cool off. I can see where he's coming from.
BE on the other hand, has done nothing,nothingin this game, apart from follow others lead, and use other's posts as justification. First, sheeping Ythan in a flavour based attack on Cupcake and LLD. The latter of which seem like a townie very much enthused about the flavour, the former... slightly scummy for sitting back and letting LLD defend solo. Secondly, sheeping Fate for idk what reason, in voting me.
VOTE: BE
I'm not sure what you mean by "I can see where he's coming from." Where do you see me coming from? What is your perception of my stance(s)?
Do you feel that BE's coattailing and overall worthlessness is scummier than my case against GIS, or are you just ignoring that?don't you feel silly now?-
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This game needs more posts from the following players:
1. Untrod Tripod
2. DTMaster
3. Fate
5. jmj3000
6. Kairyuu
7. Exilon
8. Just a Bit Off-Center
9. Le Cupcake
10. Blooderection
12. Chronopie
14. ZONEACE
15. Hinduragi
18. mothrax
20. zwetschenwasser
21. Jenniwren
22. Substrike22
23. Mafuyu
25. Albert B. Rampage
26. Kdub
27. bunnylover
28. Aikage
Yes, I did copy and paste the playerlist in the OP for this. Yes, some of the people listed have made a recent post, but, if you are in this list, then that means I feel your most recent posting is not adequate in the level of WORTH A DAMN.don't you feel silly now?-
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So all wagons are bad. Great job. Get on the GIS wagon so we can go to night, at least. No point in just waiting 'till deadline, and IYthan wrote:GIS wagon is lazy. Ythan wagon is retardedly scummy. All other wagons are pointless and a waste of time.highlydoubt anything new's gonna happen.don't you feel silly now?-
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... it's not a policy wagon.
Read my posts. There's a case.
Also, read my posts; LL's argument about cupcake's claim was sound and has no alignment tells in it. You two arguing over it created hostility without any actual scumtells. It's Town On Town, no scum involved between you two, though scum likely engaged in promoting the argument.
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>Same claimed elemental additive, plus chess took a stance on the cupcake's flavor debate even if he didn't get into a debacle of a fight with Ythan. Connection Exists.Exilon wrote:
~I don't see how those connections don't also apply to cupcake, if you are going purely based off of a lolconnections reasoning. Care to explain your choice of one over the other?
How is Cupcake linked to Chess, for example?
How does Cupcake's flip reveal anything note-worthy relating to him? Or Ythan?
I've said why LLD is scummy sometimes, and I wasn't the only one.
Buddying, 'chainsaw' defense (in a way), flavor speculation which doesn't lead anywhere and comes out of context, and an overall 'I'm trying to look townie' vibe.
I'm sick of Day 1. Let's move forward.
>Ythan wasattacking cupcakeoverflavor speculation. Clear Connection.
>I've buddied with people (prominent example: fate). Would you say that I'm scummy for doing so? There's also a difference betweensaying someone's town or that you like their playand buddying. One's idle commentary / giving a read, the other is a subtle attempt to get on people's good side.
>It's not chainsaw defense to tell Ythan that he's wrong (pro-tip: hewaswrong), get pissed off when he accuses her of being scum defending a scumbuddy and end up in a bashing contest with him. It's called correcting someone and being mad when they insult you. Null tell. Attacking someone that's caused negative emotions = emotional reaction, not scum/town reaction.
>If you are going to call her out for flavor speculation, you should also call out ythan and everybody else that even partially engaged in the debate surrounding cupcake's claim. Null tell, unless alotof people are scummy.
>"I'm trying to look townie" vibe is displayed by... what? Is it displayed by the fact she's defending herself? Is it displayed by the vehemence in which she does so? Strength of self-defense is not indicative of alignment, especially when the same reasoning is being put forth for why a person should be lynched. Repeated argument that's been defended against = exasperation = increasingly vehement defense.
>And then you add "I'm sick of day 1, let's move forward" which is clearly what I'd said before "tryingtogetthedaytoendalready" mentality.
I actually have a relevant post. Also keep in mind that it's just a listed possibility. I don't feel that either one's particularly more likely than the other. I just feel that it's not good to try and give a bye based upon "lolhydraignoreallcontradictions" type mentalities.Just a Bit Off-Center wrote: RayFrost, do you have actual evidence that
is more likely than the alternative?RayFrost wrote:By the hydra being scum, they can make use of shotty's VI rep to allow them to support pretty much any wagon and then, whenever pressure is applied, gandalf can come in and go "lolwut? SHOTTY STOP FUCKING UP" to excuse things.
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Yes, I was in that game, DTM. I recall that, which is why Ythan isn't superlolobvtown for me. Still, thank you for actively pointing it out (I didn't recall the exact game)don't you feel silly now?-
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But saying their claim is absolute crap based off of the fact it includes "aquatic" as an elemental qualifier is not sound. At all.
It's less dismissing every reference to flavor and more saying weLACK THE INFORMATIONnecessary to make any real connections regarding the flavor we do have. It's worthless to speculate about flavor at this point when there's virtually no information to go off of in the first place - it's distracting and detracts from the actual scumhunting. Evidence: the MANY pages of noise generated from your push at cupcake where you reiterated the same argument over and over.
Whether or not the blue particles are nayru's love is indeterminate at the moment. It's something to be left alone due to the lack of any real support for either side as more true.
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> Speculation of flavor isn't necessarily scummy, just poor play / not useful this early in the game. Flavor speculation still happens a shitload in themed games. *shrug*Exilon wrote:Oh, well.
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VOTE: Gis
I can agree with this. STILL GOOD TO SEE HOW EVERYONE DROPPED LAMBDADELTA OFF SO EASILY. Specially herself with her scummy-opportunistic vote. Then she calls me opportunist.
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- LD chainsaw'd defended Cupcake by attacking Ythan. More, her flavour speculation isn't reduced to Cupcake's claim. I'm talking about some of her posts who just appear out of nowhere with stuff that doesn't really add any meningful content, except scan people's possible answers so as to gain some insight on the game's flavour /roles.
- Buddying doesn't have to be a scum tell, but I was using it as an example of what she has done which can be considered scummy.
> Sooo... 'it could've been called a scumtell, but it isn't necessarily one,' but you avoided saying that it may be a null tell in your original post... why, exactly?
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Explain nowRayFrost wrote: That said, GIS is scum. This lynch needs to happen.
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Oh, just noticed a missing phrase in my first point there: it should be "does little to nothing to actually get it" rather than "does to actually get it" I must've been tired when I wrote that.
Also... why are people generallynotasking me for my case on GIS? I'm kinda the one who started the wagon, so yeah. 'side frm that, I will not support a LL lynch on this game day. LL is a town read, and my town read is correct.
I'm finding it interesting that substrikeandGIS keep getting scummier as the day goes on. Here's hoping there's a vig.don't you feel silly now?-
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I'd like it if GIS claimed, but I don't think that we are going to have time to switch to substrike regardless of what is claimed, so it'd be purely informational. The fact GIS has stalled so much in claiming and never actually replied to my case don't look good.
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Yeah, that was aterriblegame on my part. e.e" Jesus, that brings bad memories to the fore. IME, I play better when I replace in. *shrugs* Besides, I'm coming back from a break off of mafia, so yeh. Expect some gameplay changes.don't you feel silly now?-
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Since you are here, I might as well ask...
did you find cupcake to be particularly scummy based off of the flavor argument that ythan was using to discredit the claim?
Also, what indication did you have to make you say this? According to your rule, you'd have no evidence for this,especiallyconsidering the fact your role has an elemental modifier.don't you feel silly now?-
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Aikage. GIS is scummy. There's not enough time (imo) to change over to someone else (substrike). The roleclaim's a null tell as far as I'm concerned. There's more reasons to disbelieve it than reasons to believe it, meaning GIS is still scum.
Reasons to disbelieve:
GIS felt it necessary to only hint at the power role when it's a (nigh near) bulletproof role. Simply claiming (especially earlier in the game day) would've clearly been better.
GIS hasn't mentioned any questions they asked for clarification when there's a bit of ambiguity on a bit of that role PM. What do the mods define as "next to" when mentioning the playerlist? Numbered from all players or by those alive? What do the mods define as normal kills? Does the "you can only use one activity per phase" mean that using the active ability removes GIS' immunity to kills? (I'd like to point out that, if it doesn't, the inclusion of that in the PM to GIS is pointless, meaning we aren't getting GIS' full role PM, if that's the actual role PM at all)
Reasons to believe:
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ITT, nikanor doesn't read my full post.
RayFrost wrote:What do the mods define as normal kills? Does the "you can only use one activity per phase" mean that using the active ability removes GIS' immunity to kills? (I'd like to point out that, if it doesn't, the inclusion of that in the PM to GIS is pointless, meaning we aren't getting GIS' full role PM, if that's the actual role PM at all)don't you feel silly now?-
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Reckamonic wrote:
Le Cupcake (2): Substrike22, Ythan, Untrod Tripod
Lady Lambdadelta (2): Blooderection
Mafuyu (1): "Fluffy", Aikage
Blooderection (1): mothrax
GandalfIzSik (11): KDub, zwetschenwasser, RayFrost, Fate, ABR, Le Cupcake, Lady Lambdadelta, Exilon, Bunnylover, jenniwren, Nikanor, Beefster
Nikanor (1): Mafuyu
Substrike22 (6): Hinduragi, chesskid3, DTMaster, JaBOC, Dekes, GandalfIzSik[/color]Mods: I would like to know if the 11 on GIS' wagon here is accurate. I count 12 names.don't you feel silly now?-
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Riiiiight. That explains the certainty. "lol this is truth"GandalfIzSik wrote:
It was just speculation, thinking about Hylians.RayFrost wrote:Since you are here, I might as well ask...
did you find cupcake to be particularly scummy based off of the flavor argument that ythan was using to discredit the claim?
Also, what indication did you have to make you say this? According to your rule, you'd have no evidence for this,especiallyconsidering the fact your role has an elemental modifier.
LolOMGUS. The ambiguity is whether it's merely living players. This is a consideration because there are roles like... oh, I don't know... reviver.GIS wrote:
Lol you're scum too? How is that ambiguous? They are obviously referring to the people above and below on the list. When they say normal kills, they probably mean strongmen, etc. I think probably all Role PMs have that one activity per phase clause. And BPness isn't an active ability. How would claiming as a BP role have been better?RayFrost wrote: GIS felt it necessary to only hint at the power role when it's a (nigh near) bulletproof role. Simply claiming (especially earlier in the game day) would've clearly been better.
GIS hasn't mentioned any questions they asked for clarification when there's a bit of ambiguity on a bit of that role PM. What do the mods define as "next to" when mentioning the playerlist? Numbered from all players or by those alive? What do the mods define as normal kills? Does the "you can only use one activity per phase" mean that using the active ability removes GIS' immunity to kills? (I'd like to point out that, if it doesn't, the inclusion of that in the PM to GIS is pointless, meaning we aren't getting GIS' full role PM, if that's the actual role PM at all)
Christ really, I've been crumbing BP all day.
It's really a shame that we're so close to deadline, because I would MUCH rather lynch Fate or Dekes than Substrike.
By the way, is everyone missing the part where our ability is pretty easily confirmable?
Meh. I admit.
... you clearly don't understand what I was saying.And your ability isn't confirmable. At all.
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Reading substrike's claim, Ido notthink that any of the other sages should claim at this time. Substrike's not necessarily town even if he's telling the truth aboutevery other detailin his claim. There's no return for town if the other sages to claim in order to merely confirm that substrike is part of the neighbor group.
LL - There is no contradiction in the alignment is not confirmed bit. There's such a thing as neighbors, which, I believe, is essentially substrike's claim.don't you feel silly now?-
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Substrke claimed there are six. I'd trust his number more than fate's guess. Just saying.DTMaster wrote:I just read the claim as well: This reminds me of Legacy of Ancients Council mafia where members of the high council consisted of town/scum members. With a neighbor hood that large (which Fate claimed 7-8 ??? I think) this reads as it.don't you feel silly now?-
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Hmmmmmm. Reading what you said, DTM, I'm not entirely sure that I get how you are thinking of breaking the game from your theory. Following the logic that there's a mix of a and b, we'd still not know for sure what the mix is. In addition, there's the consideration that there's almost certainly at least one scum amongst the neighbors. That will throw off the mix as well. DTM, do you feel that it's a good idea for you to elaborate on your thoughts regarding the game breaking? I'm currently of a mind for you to leave it until at least tomorrow.don't you feel silly now?-
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I think that, right now, we should not go into trying to break the game. Our information is far, far too limited. The only way this works is if the neighbors are mostly sleepers, and having them claim that information seems an iffy choice. Let's hold off on trying to analyze the possibility until we've had some flips, shall we?don't you feel silly now?-
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Canonically speaking, there are 7 sages (7th is Zelda). Either seven or six makes sense, as there is the fact Zelda is notLady Lambdadelta wrote:Just so you know, flavor wise, there are only 6 sages.
That part of the Sage claim is true.quitecertain as a sage type (as in the element attached, not whether zelda is a sage).don't you feel silly now?-
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I don't agree with revealing more of the neighbors.
It'd be forcing a premature claim out of people that aren't necessarily considered scummy by the town. Nikanor, why are you trying to get chronopie and substrike to reveal more of the neighbors?
Here's how I view the cost / benefits:
Benefits:
We get to know the suspicions of chronopie / substrike (but we can get this without revealing more of the neighbors)
Negatives:
Unnecessary revealing of roles of other people in the game (especially giving scum knowledge of who to kill when it comes down to sleepers coming into their powers)
As the first can be done without revealing who the neighbors are, I see asbolutely no reason to do so.don't you feel silly now?-
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Nameloc, I'm going to assume that you finished your read over the night...
Who do you think is scum?
Why?
As to why chronopie didn't get unsealed... I have no idea. I'm not really sure how a twinrova would work in the first place. Still, I see little value to speculating about it.don't you feel silly now?-
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I see. I'd agree with your idea provided there was a no role reveal, merely a reveal that the person is one of the neighbors in question. This way, we can keep the knowledge of which neighbor got transformed, if any, away from public knowledge.Nikanor wrote:Because Chronopie and Substrike, if town, should have been attacking at least one or two of the neighbors. If they were not attacking at least one of their neighbors, they are scum. It would give me a much better read on two of the main lynch candidates of the day.don't you feel silly now?-
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The neighbors would know is unsealed, yes. The scum in the neighbors would also reveal to their partners, yes. I don't see how revealing who you suspect out of the neighbors is revealing all of them, though.
Oh! I just had a genius idea.
Everybody:
Make a list of the top three players in this game that you'd want to have revealed as neighbors (including why gets you a free hug coupon that is redeemable at the end of the game) in order of preference.
#1 gets 3 points
#2 gets 2
#3 gets 1
The only part of this idea that I haven't completed is the point threshold. Nikanor, help me out here. I'm trying to figure out a number that'll limit the ability of scum to manipulate this. Any thoughts?
My idea is that, if any of the neighbors exceed the threshold, that they are revealed as a neighbor. This way, we avoid revealing people based upon chrono / substrike alone and, instead, get it off of the town's judgment. I don't exactly trust either of them to have good logic. Just sayin'don't you feel silly now?-
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As a matter of following through with my own idea, here is my list:
1. blooderection - overall, hasn't really put any case forth for anybody, generic noise reaction to being questioned and a lot of RAEG and NOU without a lot of HERESWHY.
2. bunnylover - early day posting was so light and empty that I read it and felt hungry while late day posting had light stuff when actually talking about things outside of defense, seems as if bunnylover's only posting a lot when he's defending his actins. This isn't one of those quantity vs quality things, since the posts aren't exactly quality.
3. exilon - mixture of gut as well as end of the day push at LL based off of something rather flimsy and then suddenswitch to GIS. It doesn't sit as opportunism, but I'd hardly call it townish. At a loss for words to express the reason there.don't you feel silly now?-
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I'm fine with you getting who they think is most suspicious, but why should they reveal who the neighbors are at this time? I don't see either of them as particularly trustworthy on the scale of AccurateReadsTM. If you are just asking about their scumspects, then neighbor or not is rather unimportant. It won't change how flimsy / strong their cases are.Nikanor wrote:
That doesn't help, because I want to know who Chronopie and Substrike find most suspicious, not who the rest of the town finds suspicious.Ray Frost wrote:The only part of this idea that I haven't completed is the point threshold. Nikanor, help me out here. I'm trying to figure out a number that'll limit the ability of scum to manipulate this. Any thoughts?don't you feel silly now?-
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I think DTM's theory is valid. Aside from that, What don't you like about the spirit sage claim? Chrono's claimed one of the sages. I see no problem with this. Are you going off of the game plot that the two witches mindcontrolled the spirit sage to turn against link?Lady Lambdadelta wrote: On another note, the neighbor claim is interesting... The 2 sisters, when combined, are commonly known as Twinrova. If they're both dead... it would seem that the Spirit Sage /SHOULD/ be released...
Also, if I am informed correctly, Neighbors don't need to be allignment confirmed? If this is true, I don't like the claim of Spirit Sage.
FoS Chronopie
This being said, I am not convinced these Sage claims are even valid. So, for the reasons I previously stated:
VOTE: Substrike
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