Stars Aligned III - The Tenth Day

[manho]

replacing wingless.

[manho]

[i didn't meant to hit the submit button]

will read the thread soon.

[manho]

i'm reading really really slow.
just got past page 5.
is there anything urgent that need to be read?

[manho]

finished page 10 now, but i need sleep. will continue the read tomorrow.

[manho]

i'm still catching up slowly. just got past page 15...

too many homework these days.

but i will catch up soon.

[manho]

unvote, vote: Benmage

don't want to catch up until the night...

[manho]

skipped page 20 to the end of day 1 and read day 2.

CD2

Username: manho

Did you Hear Noise? no

Did you Ward? If so, who? no

Did you gain Insanities, and if so, which ones and from what actions? no

List all of the insanities you currently have: no

Did you

successfully

resuscitate? If so, who? no

Were you murdered? no

Did you Commune or Investigate? If so, who, and what result? (Note that these are both poor N1 choices.) no

Twitch? no

dispatch: RC

and that's hammer.
fate can be left soulless for now as i don't think having so many corpse out there is good.

we shouldn't lynch benmage now, as he will be murdered sooner or later. murderer needs to kill all other murderers to win.

i seriouly doubt all 3 claiming to have been passed fatish are telling the truth. as that's the best claim by cult to explain his insanity.

vote: wraith

for now.

and did el goosuki really lied on that?

[manho]

fate can be left soulless for now as i don't think having so many corpse out there is good.

Why is it bad?

as plans will always fail, we should lower the risk when something goes wrong. the main flaw in the graverobbing plan is that benmage will murder no matter what. but still, i'll support him murdering scummy players.

and to those who wants fate dispatched, why do you need the flip now, rather than, say, tomorrow?

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, ninja'd by benmage.

[manho]

Because bodies are only going to pile up as the days go on. Taking care of the graves now is probably for the best since it doesn't appear we have a lot of murderers in the game (unless more decided to go that route last night).

i've got what you mean. since there is only 1 nightkill n1, and it's expected to be at least 2 nightkill afterwards, graverobbing fate now is better.

We don't want to waste night actions in later days robbing graves when we could be turning up scum with equipment and such.

but grave robbing is a free action so it won't affect our usual actions.

[manho]

@benmage, why can't you tell us who you'll be murdering tonight?

no investigator will res your target unless he is obv-town. cult may save their buddies but it'll use up their res kit and we can always lynch that saved player tomorrow.

[manho]

dispatch: fate

[manho]

i'll agree with benmage not revealing his target then.

Wraith is still cult not wanting to be murdered.

undecided on el goosuki yet.

[manho]

i'll agree with benmage not revealing his target then.

What about revealing a list of potential targets?

not at all. let's the cults guess who'll die and who needed the res.

[manho]

If you believe Benmage to be town (regardless of Murderer in Training ambitions or lack thereof) it is in the best interest of the town to allow his kill to go through. A Murderer in Training (especially an outted one) would have the same objective now as a town vig.

yes, and he will be target of other murderer later.

[manho]

Does anyone genuinely believe this kill is more likely to hit scum than town?

me.

[manho]

benmage can't have killed LB last night if he killed someone tonight, so we don't need to worry about that.

[manho]

It's not a waste of time if people are willing to clear Benmage of killing last night, when in reality he could have. I mean, I agree that anybody could have killed LB, but manho and Benmage are saying that anybody-but-Benmage could have, which is untrue. Unless you want the rest of town to operate under this false pretence, I don't see what the problem with me raising this issue is.

ok then, benmage could have killed LB, but he's not cult, and he won't have a chance to achieve the murderer wincon, so he's definitely not today's lynch.
stop the benmage argument and scum-hunt.

[manho]

@VV, we need to dispatch fate today, or the bodies will be piling up. we have probably 1 less night kill last night, as there is no cult kill. so today is the best chance to clear up all the dead bodies. if we leave fate for tomorrow, it will easily be 4 or 5 bodies that needed to be graverobbed.

[manho]

Manho, the way I see it, if there's only one murderer on the loose (LB's killer), that person can't kill tonight (they need to stalk first) so we'll only have one kill "tonight" if cult get around to successfully murdering. So that leaves 3 graves tonight (RC, LB, today's lynch); and then 3 tomorrow night if we leave Fate (Fate, tonight's cult kill, tomorrow's lynch).

Where did you get "4 or 5" from?

plus benmage's kill. and i doubt no one else is going the murderer path.

will be back tonight with some scum-hunting.

[manho]

done iso on MoI, but he is town.

[manho]

done iso on MoI, but he is town.

why? I want a damn explanation of these town reads on him because I see nothing to indicate that.

his attack of furcolow's confirmness is not something cult will do, and so hard. i think they would have given up that argument long before MoI did. they won't want that much attraction that early on an unlikely mislynch.

WHY do you not think [Benmage]'s cult? What has he done to make you think that?

that would be the greatest gambit if he is really cult and not being caught soon. there are too many risk for a cult to claim stalking someone, without any reason.

-You voted Benmage yesterday without explaining why. What's changed since then? You said today that he would eventually be murdered anyway - why didn't you think that yesterday?

i wasn't reading anything yesterday. i just place the vote on my suspect based on the first ~15 pages.

-What alignment do you think LB was and why? Please back this up with speculation as to where you think his insanity came from. This is an important question because it relates to your "scum hunting" today. I will go into more detail once you've answered.

stalking N1. i do think they are able and are willing to play the murderer win con. and i don't think they were passed fatish, as scum would like to nightkill them rather than mislynching them.

-The majority of your D2 posts have been plan-speculation about Benmage murdering/revealing his target; robbing graves; and dispatching people. Where do you get off telling me to stop with mechanics arguments when that's most of what you've done today?

yes i know. and that statement was for me also.

[manho]

his attack of furcolow's confirmness is not something cult will do, and so hard. i think they would have given up that argument long before MoI did. they won't want that much attraction that early on an unlikely mislynch.

So your argument is essentially "too scummy to be scum". What about the other things I pointed out? You think those are out weighed by his Furc tunneling?

1 is WIFOM, 2 maybe valid but i dunno as i haven't read the context, 3 is a null tell, though maybe not pro-town, as i've seen both town and scum do PBPA, 4 is also a null tell, though maybe not pro-town again, as many player aren't scum-hunting, and i was one of them earlier.

-Benmage had already claimed that he had stalked within the first ~15 pages yesterday. So did you think he was cult yesterday? Because how is that any different from thinking he is cult today?

i was not reading yesterday, and i didn't realize other murderer need to get rid of him to win then.

-So you think that the cult will pass people fetishes to get them mislynched? But didn't you earlier say that you suspect the people who had been given fetishes as actually being the cult? What is it - a mislynch tactic or a fake-claimed insanity?

both, cult would have fake-claimed receiving fetishes to explain their insanity, but they also need to pass some fetish for real so we can't just lynch all those who claimed to have received a fetish. cult then can try to mislynch them with the above argument. so it's both a mislynch tactic and a fake-claimed insanity.

[manho]

will read el goosuki next. have they explained their night action choice yet?

[manho]

will read el goosuki next.

it'd better be tomorrow.

[manho]

done iso on MoI, but he is town.

why? I want a damn explanation of these town reads on him because I see nothing to indicate that.

his attack of furcolow's confirmness is not something cult will do, and so hard. i think they would have given up that argument long before MoI did. they won't want that much attraction that early on an unlikely mislynch.

WHY do you not think [Benmage]'s cult? What has he done to make you think that?

that would be the greatest gambit if he is really cult and not being caught soon. there are too many risk for a cult to claim stalking someone, without any reason.

Your basic argument is that you don't believe that cultists take risks, right? And so far you've absolved BenMage, MoI, and LostButterfly of cultic tendencies because they've all played too dangerously, correct?

So I'm curious - Manho, where would scum be trying to direct attention today?

it is not that cult won't take risks, but that the risk is overwhelming the advantage. benmage will be murdered or lynched sooner or later, at least before N6 when he can achieve the murderer wincon. MoI is pushing for that impossible mislynch when no cult-buddies are supporting him. LB is not cult, but for another reason, that they are not supposed to be the expendable cult that would be responsible for all the insanities, so LB obtaining the insanity by crafting 3 fetishes is unlikely.

Does anyone genuinely believe this kill is more likely to hit scum than town?

me.

Manho, who do you think Benmage is targeting?

i've no idea, as i haven't read day 1 yet.

[manho]

Wraith is scum, with kunkstar, for his IGMEOY but not vote in the last post.

[manho]

Predit: @manho: that's because of this post, which is explanation for my previously-stated suspicion on El G

but that would still be the case if kunkstar flipped scum.

will read kunkstar next.

[manho]

unvote, vote: kunkstar

[manho]

@mod, i'm sorry that i need replacement.

i really need more time for my study, so i'll be leaving the site for an indefinite time. i really enjoy playing mafia with all of you in MS. maybe be i'll come back some day. hope to see you guys then.