The Return to Liten (Game Over)

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HAHA 1ST

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FFFS

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Lol!

My win condition is to receive my role PM.

/joke

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FURRY

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/could care less

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I DIDNT KNOW EITHER ITS K

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vote Furry

Hai furry. Revenge vote ofc.

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Regular Please :/

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I'm afraid to vote MoI. He might flip Jester again >>

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unvote

Vote: Alamaster GM

snippy omgus vote.

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[halfass]Spyrex what do you think about nik's case on dana?

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Just the comment from him, not a case really.

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Hey look, better wagon.

unvote, Vote:Bowser

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Why would you be reviewing each other's psts?

I've never Hydra..'ed...is that common?

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I'm cool with his jib too.

unvote

vote:Data

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OH look, post RVD discussion.

Furry's case is the best thing on the table so far. *fist pumps Furry

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Still pretty sure Data is scum.

Remind me what the point of asking "why do you think over the top Snark is funny?"

Right, filler. Filler and distraction.

Choo-choo, we have room for four more people on this train.

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Not very good, but I think its the best thing out there so far. That probably why it got traction.

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Yay, more inconsistency.

I think I am going to just hire Furry to do my scumhuntin in all my games.

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Yeah, it got traction because relative to other cases it was one of the stronger ones.

You pedantic questioning of my words has been noted.

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Oh, I was piggybacking Spyrex's logic.

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Are we really analyzing him replacing out?

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Kill flavor better be ray gun.

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If Data flips

town

this guy is obvscum.

Why town? Are you saying that you

know

that Data will flip town.

This post is lolwat. Have you seriously never heard anyone say that before?

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Ah, i actually got distracted with another site. No not porn >>

Honestly I don't know. I know its bad to not take a stance on anything (I would be pressuring me so much right now<-self incrimination tell) but whatever. I don't have any good reads and I am a bit fussy about it.

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Idk if he should out his target.

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He said SK lets him choose his flavor for his kill. Why don't we just make him say his kill flavor is choked on a grape and confirm him that way? Its entertaining and efficient.

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you wouldn't vig me would you

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Should I claim?

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Maybe its because Ive been studying for too long, but I still am at a loss for what you are saying.

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This post used to be Slaxx's before SK invaded it.

*Just a double post that I can't delete because MS won't let me.

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hint: pretty much anyone on this page sa

y

s Slaxx is a good start) but, ultimately, let him take his shot.

I read it like that. I thought sans was a typo. WHAT IZ SANZ.

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Yeah alright, I clicked that once. I even previewed it first.

Mod, fix that D:

Tried to, but MS is being snarky with me and telling me I can only delete my own posts. I'll check with Kinetic and make sure I have full administrative power over this game.

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Obviously I need to brush up on my....Latin?

Research: Middle English, from Old French, blend of Latin sine

Anyway I digress. In CES's defense this is typical for him. Idk about Square. He seems to drift in and out of focus.

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Since I have been fairly useless this game I am not going to say much, but I do have to at least acknowledge that post as terrible.

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It doesn't feel like a soft claim, usually I can pick those up. I'm the guy who cringes at even the slightest awkward situation.

I think its more of a fuck you, I don't care type of thing. Can't even get an alignment read better yet a role. Just a bad post.

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PRetty sure Square is mafia. Why did that last post suddenly convince you he was vig Square?

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Well, fro,m the tone of your post, it feels like you didn't believe him before, but after that explanation you did, or at least enough to satisfy your thirst for knowledge. But all he did was quote flavor. Shouldn't you be basing it more off his play than off of flavor? Wait, you should, because flavor can be made up and fake claims are also a possibility. I just don't like your thought process because it isn't linear and isn't making sense.

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I did read. The hostility is noted.

1. I realize that. But what changed your view? The flavor? The flavor is worth at best two piles of shit in a theme game.
2. What recent events? Elaborate.

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You can't trust flavor and I don't like that that is what shifted your opinion of him. Let me ask some things:

1. You do realize that mods do sometimes give fake claims and
2. That vig is the most common fakeclaim for an SK?

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Hey, did you read the conversation Dana?

He changed his mind based on the flavor.

On. The. Flavor.

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No, its not irrelevant.

Just because we came to similar conclusions does not mean we were both of similar alignments. Its how we come to those conclusions, especially with the whole concept of this game being "informed minority", that determines such things.

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lmfao wait am I voting our vig claim?

unvote

Vote: Square Obscure

Because I said so.

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Wait who is slacks LOL

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Lol infinite BP claim. There is no way we would ever be able to verify that, plus BP can be added to any alignment. I don't really buy it.

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Are you calling my logic circular? Because it is not. I never asked for any flavor because I do not care. Flavor should never be considered for anything unless we know for a fact scum

were not/

given fake claims. The actual claim, the manner of the claim, yes, these things matter. The flavor: no.

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Did we lose like...doctors?

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Today is not my birthday O.o

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I'm finding Feysal worse then CES on a meta basis for their current activity. I don't know Twomz from spit though.

SO's answer to my question is terrible and helps my read of him not at all. That said; I'm actually nervous about how there's been no real movement off his wagon even though I've been campaigning around offering a viable counterwagon for some time now. I'm pretty sure we're lynching town and would much rather lynch Tripod.

Vote: Thor

Speed of the wagon argument is meh. Hey, he got even more scummy to me, but I still don't want to lynch him because other people do.

Alright.

I skimmed Feysal, keep in mind he has a different playstyle. Now we all know that different or new doesnt make someone immune to being scum, but my gut says no, at least for now.

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That quote is from yesterday.

I haven't ISOed everybody, just the people who were against the bandwagon. Tomorrow I will get to the rest. Thats more of a placeholder for me, but yeah, its definitely a possibility that Thor is mafia.

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I'm going to lay on the floor and kick and scream until people sheep me.

Slaxx receives an

un

Official Warning for terrible, terrible grammar. Happy birthday.

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ITS NOT MY BIRTHDAY LMAO

I have it registered as 7/11 which is what it is idk whats up

Check your settings. Today is 11/7, after all.

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L
O
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Magna, it was a legitimate question.

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Also,

unvote

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Vote Feysal

I'll bite, mainly because of what Lynchmepls said.

Also Nero is up next if Feysal is scum. that is all.

Preview Edit: You avoided the wagon.

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Yes, because town really doesn't need to know what the role of person who dies is.

You're turning something that isn't scummy into something that is.

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LMP, what is the difference between the two O.o

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PRs would like to know just as much as mafia so if they want protection they knew, unless I am totally missing something. I don't like not knowing what is going on, and although I see both your points, I am trying to explain my point of view. They weren't in blue (some town PRs flip blue) and there were two of them (thats a huge coincidence if they are both docs) and I just figured maybe I totally missed something in the flavor.

tldr I wasn't attempting to rolefish >>

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That was a waste O.o

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Oh, on day 2. Lolrandom.

Well you, my good sir, did indeed use it epicly.

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I also have a last minute suggestion. If anyone is worried about Admiral's vig claim, could we tell him not to shoot one night (not tonight, not enough time). Most SKs are compulsive, idk about vigs (never been either >>)

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Nero is definitely vig bait tonight, I agree.

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Needs moar flip, even if he already confessed.

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I'm feeling a perfect game with no mislynches ^^

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Then who2 vig Thor?

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Tuesdays are my hell days too!

huzzah for terrible tuesdays!

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Nah, you should shoot for now ThAd. It was just a suggestion.

Also Furry, stop with your trickery, I dun like >>

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The cruel cruel suspense.

Wait lol.

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I've had the mental image that we're all wearing some sort of body armor. Being called SOBs in the flavor has that badass space marine feel to it.

Meh, he claimed protection, not armor. Even with armor I'm pretty sure there is such a thing as more armor. Don't support hammer talk based on flavor synopsis.

Also, no explanation for why he was so concerned about being vig killed.

This seems the best energy I've seen yet for SO scum. That said,

Unvote: Nero Cain
Vote: Untrod Tripod

I feel much more confident with this one and feel it is the actual other wagon that bears some consideration. My read on Newbie Cain is still that and I don't understand a lot of the fluttering there - his actions seem to bespeak more unoptimal play than scummy play. He's a vig option, not a lynch option.

After reading, I think this might be scum getting onto the second biggest bandwagon thats not his buddy. I just want to throw this nugget out there before night.

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Dumb vig kill is dumb.

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One of Nero Cain and Thor.

Vote Thor

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Not only suboptimal, but bad.

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I think we should be more...clear...about who needs to be vigged today. Come to a consensus as a town. Then suggest he vig that person. And he will do it, or else.

Dana and UT were both competing wagons day 1 and were pretty bad "vig shots".

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Yeah, the sarcastic comments aren't funny or an adequate defense anymore.

We're voting on who you kill today, and you're killing that person.

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That's cool, and if you are vig, I am sorry I offended you.

But those kills are pushing it, thats all I am saying man.

Seriously, if you are vig, sorry.

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Idk, Ive only read everything here once due to time constraints, but I'm not anymore, mainly due to the people on his wagon.

unvote

I'm sorry I am triggering your gut so much. It might be because I was so passionate about the last game we played together but apathetic about this one.

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You see why unpod was a terrible kill?

>>

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I can do my best to explain the shift. I pretty much felt like he gave up pressuring ThAd based on an extremely stupid reason (flavor), making me think of him as passive and non-conflict seeking. Passive is typically what I look for in early days (especially since scum get a little more active endgame), so I went for it. I wonz.

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You're asking me to sheep a wagon...for town cred? Does not compute.

I agree with the Twomz town read though. The VT claim is probably legit. I really don't know about CES though, I have seen him play as town twice and I feel like his short fully dedicated-but-on-the-surface-half-dedicated playstyle is an easy one to attack. One of NC or Thor, and if one flips town, the other gets viggified.

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That's odd, because I think I have been on both scum wagons so far and your gut is still a-ringin.

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I never miss a chance to bus partners.

If CES flips scum feel free to vig me >>. Just not sure about this wagon.

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I can get behind an APC lynch.

One thing furry, that first quote, it was before Feysal claimed scum? If so, thats pretty much a blatant slip.

vote APC

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Oh, and that should answer AGM's question. I still am hellbent on one of Thor+NC for the other scum. I am semi thinking ThAd is SK, and I think SK+4 scum in a 20 player game would be decent, but I have no clue how to balance.

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So what is normal for 20 without SK then? 5-6?

Good find on APC then. I'm comfortable lynching him on that alone.

ThAd, explain your list.

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SK =( hope you're okay, best wishes on getting better =) have a good Thanksgiving regardless.

I am probably going to wind up being busy, with ironically enough, extra schoolwork and extra holiday work over what should have been a 5 day "break" so I might not be on for a few days, but I will try to pop in here every now and then to see whats up.

Until then everyone celebrating thanksgiving should have a happy one :3

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Furry did a great job concisely explaining APC's scumminess.

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AMG, check your sight. There is plenty of stuff about APC that is scummy.

Mainly his slip.

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Also the fact that he has gotten this far into the game without a counterwagon started on him when scum have been lynched two days is odd. He should have been easy mislynch bait for scum trying to get a wagon off their buddy. Either that or the mafia just hate each other.

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I feel like that was semi chainsaw semi dodging.

How about you explain specifically why you don't like this wagon? Honestly, I think that feysal tie is pretty strong and a grounds for a lynch on its own. Not to mention general inactivity, sheeping the biggest bandwagons, teetering on the SO hammer, etc etc etc.

I am just echoing what Furry said though. Seriously. I think the case is pretty airtight.

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1. How? You asked me who was scum if it wasn't CES or Twomz. I liked Furry's case and gave you an answer. One of Thor/Nero+ APC. Those are my main FoSs.

2. Well, as I have said three times now, I think the "nice trying to tie me to Feysal" is a slip, it shows that he had inside knowledge of feysal being scum before he claimed. Why else would he be worried about being tied to him? He obviously wasnt THAT confident he was scum, otherwise he would have just hammered instead of being jittery about it. Twomz claiming VT when scum are pretty behind might be a ploy but I find it more likely that he would claim PR as scum, especially if he thinks he is getting vigged/lynched so he can draw out a CC. The random.org case on him is utter crap too. It was a hypothetical situation that is not relevant to his role or alignment at all.

3. I like how you're setting up lynches. This is a bit of a sheep, but I feel like I have explained what I liked about the case and why it is better. Probably better than half of the players who have joined other wagons or expressed their interest on other wagons on people I think are town, namely APC.

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1+2. Way to completely ignore the Feysal tie yet again. Maybe chainsawing was the wrong word but it distracts from the point I know you know I am trying to make here. Its not really a defense, but I feel like scum would have claimed PR in that situation.

3. I totally misread your post. I thought you said something like if he flips town lynch me. Its late.

No, I said I was echoing furry because thats what I am, in essence, doing. That comment wasnt layed out to make furry look bad if apc flips town. In fact, me admitting to sheeping a wagon should make me look WORSE than the wagon starter, rite?

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This strikes me as the flipside to the “Why is Glork (or insert any well known and respected player) still alive if they aren’t scum” fallacy I see float by ever so often. Scummy.

Wut. I was saying he has been extremely passive and quite and I feel like scum would have hopped all over his wagon. Its STILL hard to get going and a lot of people have posted.

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We do have a vig ijs.

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There is one religiously driven warrior in every crowd.

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ijs=im just saying

suggesting if there are two lynch candidates, we have another 'lynch' tonight

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Also, someone explain to me why voting on the vig target is bad, and how it is different than voting on the lynch target. You're killing both, and mafia is influencing both. Never got that.

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^-making me doubt myself

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So confident.

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I really could care less if I was shot. Call it a gambit, or call it apathy. I don't care. In fact, if we lynch Twomz and he flips scum, I would be the best shot, and I would encourage ThAd to do it.

Also, I thought Twomz last post was scummy. He just came in, started the BW, then left. No fighting back, no pushing on anyone else. He's done it before (this game) but I get that way as town too so I didn't think much of it. But even I would be crunching it now. Idk, I am still more for sure about APC. I will go after Twomz, but not before APC.

Tell me how APC>Twomz, tbh. APC has way less content, but is still doing minimumposting to get by, has pretty much followed the popular opinion, and there is still that awesome scumslip Furry pointed out. I could be fingerpointing at all the people not on APCs wagon, but alas, I am not. I want to convince, not threaten. See where Ima goin with this shiz.

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-Stated the BWs.

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Meh I don't see how after that post we can't at least give Twomz another day and lynch actual scum.

I love how everyone is ignoring the "Link me to Feysal" shit he said before Feysal claimed scum.

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He, being APC.

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Nothing alone, but relative to APC, all of it is LMP. Now scumminess doesn't work by relativity, but I'm not huge on compromise. I want to lynch my top scum read today. If deadline rolls around and Twomz is the day's pick, then yeah, I will lynch him over no one.

Magna, Furry already did a pretty good job with that. Idk what else I can say to add to it. If I feel like I could do a better job I would. I have vocalized my support, repeatedly stated the main points of the wagon and why I liked it.

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Well then you're not reading well. There is significantly more to my case on him than that.

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lolwut

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I saw God mentioned in one of the flavor claims, but it was like, God Damn it.

tldr not really.

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Explain how thats scumposting?

Much of the US military is religious. In fact, almost every military-related bumper sticker you see has some sort of religious reference in it. CES brings up a decent point (as far as flavor goes).

So do share.

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wut

If scum had daytalk wouldn't he not need to be pushing in thread?

/mind implodes

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haha its funny because that post would be hers

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The year of the placement in Texas doesnt matter

pretty sure Texans have been staunch christians before jesus even walked the Earth

and alright, fair enough.

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SPS

HAI

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I like Thor now

B+

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It was the second part of your post

you silly

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I was hoping for Arkon this round. Didn't get it.

Although now I am glad considering our track record with lynches so far.

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No its not.

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unvote

Vote Twomz

It was going to happen anyway. Do I get to gloat if he flips town or what?

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Tunnelunnelunnel

The worst part of it is you're probably town.

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Good logic is good.

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ThAd, im the best vig target if Twomz is scum, k?

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Ha I win.

/gloats while eating goats on a boat made of oats

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ah

well

I will put the goats, oats, and the boat back in my tote

bag.

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7/10

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I do buddy every game

Just a heads up

/ends meta defense

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I know.

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Lol gg, I thought it was Furry for reasons I can't remember, though that might have changed if I had kept up.

Camn was obvtown after the Hacker thing I thought, AGM was town in a way I truly couldn't describe.

MoI had it rough, there were only so many people that were actually gonna get mislynched, I think he did well trying to pick up the pieces.