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i am not your lapdogSocrates wrote:
<3. We need more posts like this.Plum wrote:THEN AGAIN Locke has done barrels of nothing all game. AND Soc <3
I wanna settle with Pac, but if y'all have reservations elsewhere . . .
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VOTE: Locke Lamora
You get your ass off Vezo and back on LL or consider my town read on you revoked.Furcolow wrote:vote: vezokpiraka-
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smoke implies lies and deceitfulnessAGar wrote:
This post disagrees with your belief in your vote.Furcolow wrote:reasoning: has smoke, also wagons way too much, which limits my analysis or the ability to hold him accountable
"Has smoke" is terrible reasoning to vote someone.
Let me clarify...
WE HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE WHAT SMOKE MEANS OR LIGHT MEANS. THERE IS NO UNDERSTANDING OF THE MECHANIC AMONG THE PLAYERBASE.
You also are wagoning just as much as him.
So are you saying you're scum?
I'm all for a vezok wagon, but I do believe that Furc is scum. His recent play has convinced me against my initial idiot-town read.
light implies goodness and justification
smoke is bad, light is good
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there you go ckdcuriouskarmadog wrote:answer the questions.
curiouskarmadog wrote:so instead of answering my question you vote me?
i have a temper sometimes with people, and i've had a rough week.
try again, why are you defending your locke vote here instead of explaining why you think he is scummy.
why would you ever try to vote plum at this stage of any game? do you really expect a wagon? I'm not voting locke, am I?
what about me on "this page" do you find scummy?
the way you asked for a claim
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funny when people vote, they usually explain why a person is scummy, why are you defending your vote?Furcolow wrote:unvote;
vote: locke lamora
been suspicious off locke since RVS, multiple FoS from me i'm pretty surei am defending wanting to wagon as town in a vezokpirakian mannercuriouskarmadog wrote:also, you put him at -2, why did you not expect him to get to -1?I was sort of hoping that we could lynch scum, and don't want a claim from him yet. Sorry. It would have been funny if scum tried to hammer right after I unvoted. I've done this multiple times in real life mafia and caught scum that way, but with this editing preview I don't think I'll ever be able to pull that one off unless the player doesn't read previews.
Lets take a look at the LL wagon.
Locke Lamora (L-3) ~ Socrates, Iecerint, Friend, Plum
Guess what they all have in common? They were all just voting pacman. Both Sociopath and Vezokpiraka were voting pacman with him to bring him to L-1. I was on there at one point, but I have been very unsure of my voting this game. I am not slinging mud onto any of these 4, so don't take this the wrong way. I view them all as town. I am just feeling that SocioPath/Vezokpiraka were then the likelier scum on the wagon, and cannot shift their vote towards Locke because he is scum. In this scenario, we would have dual scum wagons going.
I can see that as being possible. Vezokpiraka rides wagons. There is only one time he would not ride a wagon ALWAYS, and that is when it is his scumbuddy. Otherwise, he would wagon the fuck out of any of you, pardon my French. With him NOT wagoning Locke, therefore, it is pretty telling that he is scum either not wanting to appear to have mislynched, or that Locke is scum with him. I therefore feel like vezokpiraka is scum either way locke flips.
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actually,unvoteafter reading socrates in iso
he was the first vote on locke, and locke has a pretty good point in that there is no case on him really.
I hate to flip flop on this, but i'm simply not convinced.
I am going to let him claim/respond to me=weird/both before I put my vote back on him if I'm going to-
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i guess me=weird is his scumbuddy, or dumb town
i am going to commit to this game, but it is 6am, and i have been up all night playing halo reach
i promise to do more in depth analysis tomorrow and give you some scumidates
i do not promise i will be able to find scum, but i do believe i will try unless my friends swoop me up pretty fast tomorrow.
if the people voting me are both town, i would be willing to consider abandoning ever playing mafia again
pretty sure it is scum trying to push a mislynch on me for the 3rd consecutive day in a row (see: mothrax)
I am pretty much confirmed town by how long mothrax and his scumbuddies sat on my wagon
I hate having to admit vezokpiraka is likely to be town, though
I am pretty sure me=weird/beefster's slot is a scum slot
I feel comfortable putting my vote there as a placeholder. I may keep it there, I may not. We'll see.
If I do some scumhunting, I'm definitely going to start with the people voting me, and Beefster was scummy.-
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I don't have a lot of time, but I can definitely answer this before I go. I am not saying that I have been a bastion of pro-town play, but this is NOT my scum play. If you want to see how I play as scum, I will provide you as many links as I possibly can. I have been pro-town only through scum attempting to wagon me and failing: mothrax, possibly, though sadly doubtfully vezokpiraka, possibly agar/me=weird today. Point being, I am admittedly an easy ass target for a mislynch... but we are not going to let that happen. By remaining steadfast, cooperative, and by not posting one liners I am not necessarily the best pro-town player in the world, but I am shying away from my style as scum which indicates that I AM town. By indicating I AM town, and by remaining through attempted scum mislynches, I am "doing things I deem pro-town".curiouskarmadog wrote:Furc, I am curious, what have you done that you deem is pro-town? Do you think you have done anything that could look scummy?
Do I think I've done anything scummy? Sure. A few PR softclaims, claiming townie, wishy-washy voting, but these are all typical town behaviors from me. Scummy=/=scum, bro.-
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lol i guess my voting him is hypocritical. I expect more from him when he is town, and though I haven't seen him as scum or as a townie, he could be one of those moreso than a power role. I am pretty sure that this is his scum game. I'm not 100% sure on this, but I'm feeling comfortable with this vote, though I like him.
I'm also eager to see something that I will inform you all of later and reference this post to tell you of what I expected.
ebwop: how often do i get wagonned as scum? how often do I get wagoned as town? how often have i been attempted at mislynched by scum this game?
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If we were scum together, I would be telling mothrax what to do.
As it was, I was all over his wagon, regardless of who was there at the end. I was arguing with his stupidity, whereas I should have been ignoring it altogether as it was obviously scum. He had his vote on me for like 2 weeks, though, and you're judging I'm scum, Judge? That makes me believe you are scum trying to get an easy mislynch. I've said this like ten times now, and I'm going to keep stating the facts if you are lying.-
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@Judge
in response to #1273
smoke/light: that was sarcasm, learn to read
vezokpiraka being town/scum: that shows my indecisiveness and lack of a list of scum, indicating town
on VI/vs good player argument: If you note in the post you're saying "contradicts" I said *I* can pick up on the differences. Obviously, you can't, or you're trying blindly to mislynch as scum. Which is it?
Also, Mothrax was voting me the entire day. He was not voting you the entire day. I try my best not to bus people, and if they're not idiots, which Mothrax isn't, I wouldn't ever have a problem. I've had to bus one person in 7 months, and that was millar13, who is a complete.... well. He's dyslexic, so I feel bad for him, but he has comprehension problems which extend beyond mafia. Off tangent, you are likely town, and you need to actually read up on me as scum.
If you think I am scum based on my meta you should view me as lurking and being unhelpful with one liners
that is my scum meta
will i do that next time I am scum? admittedly, probably not, so this is all null meta, but I am trying to be honest with you and you are beating your head against a brick wall with this.
Why would you want to wagon an active town poster who could be held accountable? We need to wagon someone who is lurking.-
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the fact judge is getting mad shows my defense was better than he liked
also the fact he didnt really respond to me makes me want to bang my head into the desk, because i am fairly sure he is town due to his interaction with mothrax, and I want us all to be on the same page.
If I was scum, you can guarantee different people would have been dying in the night. Plum would not be alive.
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he hasnt posted since september 5th, his goofy post restriction early on, and I am willing to die tomorrow if he isnt scum.-
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http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... start=1400
game in which im town, just finished with a LyLo win-
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Also, what contradictions? I disagree with your "contradictions". Address them in detail, please.AGar wrote:
I got mad? I said I'm ignoring self-meta. And then cut a hole in some logic, asked WHY we should be wagoning lurkers (answer pl0x?) and moved to Friend and emphasized he needs to do something.Furcolow wrote:the fact judge is getting mad shows my defense was better than he liked
also the fact he didnt really respond to me makes me want to bang my head into the desk, because i am fairly sure he is town due to his interaction with mothrax, and I want us all to be on the same page.
Lurking scum are the ones who are the most dangerous.
If you're town, you shouldn't be worried about looking like scum.Furcolow wrote:I also dont want to be the third voter on a wagon, as that is indicative of scum, and I am not scum.
If you have questions, AGAR, ask them.
I will be completely helpful, honest, and cooperative.
Why not? It's what you can convince people. If I'm town and look like scum I get mislynched. Why should I not worry about that? I disagree with you on this.
Why are you worried of following a very weak tell that is indicative of scum?
What are you talking about?
Why should we be wagoning lurkers as opposed to players we find scummy?answered above
What gains do we get from wagoning lurkers?
Pressure on people who we have no information on will get us information on them through either them posting, them dying, or a claim.
Who are your top 2 scum reads, lurkers not withstanding?
I'm happy with my vote on Me=Weird because of Beefster. I am also suspicious of CKD. I'm not sure if they're top 2, but they're the first two into my head. I actually had to sit and think about this for a moment... a good moment.
Why are you still contradicting yourself?
Vezok - Why areyouchoosing M=W?
If you keep spouting lies about contradictions and tunneling on me nonsensically I am going to ignore your posts altogether, Judge.-
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You ARE tunnelingAGar wrote:For the first question I asked - it's a general sitewide belief that town should not be interested in their self-survival. They still can win if they die. Worrying about your own death is something scum tend to do, as it greatly hinders their ability to win the game.
I don't give a fuck if I die in the night, I just don't want to be mislynched. I want to lynch scum.
For the second question I asked, I want to know why you're concerned about looking like scum. It has been addressed.
Because I'm not scum.
For the third, how do you know that they are lurking scum and not lurking town? Lurking is a null-tell. Active lurking is different, but you do not seem to be specifying.
I would rather pressure people who are lurking to get information regardless of how "null" said strategy is. Are you worried because a lot of your scumbuddies are laying back and lurking, so you are trying to get us to not utilize this strategy? If you are town, and weren't playfighting with mothrax trying to get us off your scent, you need to step up your game and stop fucking tunneling.
For the fourth, so you'd like to run up wagons and possibly claims on people just to get them to post? There's things called prods. And replacements. Both much more effective, in my experience.
Yes. I would like to wagon lurkers. I disagree with a lot of what you've said here. Prods are worthless except for one post. Replacements? Don't make me laugh. When I get replacements in a game they can turn a scummy slot into the most pro-town slot and still be scum. I hate seeing replacements. I have completely different opinions on how to play mafia than most people on this site obviously. I like to make it very apparent when I am not scum. That is just my thing to do. I am going to fix it later in my mafia career, don't get me wrong, but at this juncture in time it is inadvisable for me to do so. Maybe next week.
The contradiction here is:
Furcolow wrote:the fact judge is getting mad shows my defense was better than he liked
also the fact he didnt really respond to me makes me want to bang my head into the desk,because i am fairly sure he is towndue to his interaction with mothrax, and I want us all to be on the same page.
If I was scum, you can guarantee different people would have been dying in the night. Plum would not be alive.
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vote: zwetchenswasser
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he hasnt posted since september 5th, his goofy post restriction early on, and I am willing to die tomorrow if he isnt scum.
Look at the bold.Furcolow wrote:and wifom is only an argument mafia use to make town look questionable the way you andyour scumbuddy judgeare using it
I didn't even post in between the two posts. What so emphatically changed your reads?
I'm not spouting lies about contradictions. I'm following up on a scumtell that I have seen success with in the past. You have contradicted yourself on multiple occasions. It doesn't matter if you disagree with them, it's what everyone else believes of them.
I'm not tunneling nonsensically - I'm simply gunning for who I find scummiest. I'm not ignoring other players, in fact, I've actually requested things from others in this very game in each of my 3 previous posts.
So far the only defense of you I have seen is Friend spouting "meta" which I don't buy, and you with a mix of WIFOM ("No.. if I was scum, I'd have donethis..."), self-meta and asserting that you are obviously town based off of interactions with one player, while trying to accuse another player who had similar interactions of being scummy (hey look, there's one of those contradictions I pointed out, in detail). In my eyes, that's no defense. Also, about the mothrax thing, there's a little technique scumteams can use called "breaking the meta" where they do the EXACT opposite of what one would expect. It can easily be followed with a WIFOM trap of "Dude, there's no way I could be scum with him - it would be suicide for scum to do that." You're damn near close to following a similar path here with your assertion that your interactions with mothrax are clearing of yourself.
"gunning for someone you find scummiest" when I had a fucking wagon on me from scum on day 2? You play like an idiot.
You are scum trying to twist everything dark into appearing like it is light. I am sure of it now. I was judging your reactions to my "contradictions", judge, and you've failed. I am not changing my vote, though, because I am pretty fucking sure beefster was one of your scumbuddies.-
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Oh, now you push on me when I'm fucking voting youMe=Weird wrote:Iecerint, friend, can you please restate your cases on me? I would ask furc and vezo, but their votes are mindless bandwagoning(more reasons to lynch furc).
Friend, what AGar said. And please, if you're just going to mindlessly say that I'm scum and furc's town and provide pointless furc meta, shut the fuck up.
such good play, me=weird. Textbook, buddy. You're a great player, who'd you learn from, Judge?-
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youre reminding me of how hoopla went all all-caps when i caught her as scumMe=Weird wrote:I WAS VOTING YOU AND PUSHING FOR YOUR LYNCH BEFORE YOU VOTED FOR ME WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!?!?!?! I LIKE HOW YOUR RESPONSE TO CONTRADICTION ACCUSATIONS WAS TO "JUDGE HIS REACTIONS" AND SAY HE FAILED. JUST KEEP FLAILING, SCUM.
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i will answer them.
I am town because I am actually responding to your stupidity, Judge. You are tunneling worse than I've ever seen anyone tunnel with 0 case and 0 real contradictions. Address any of those contradictions, like I have already challenged, not with linked vague posts but ACTUAL WORDS I CAN REFUTE, and I will make you see what I had going through my mind when I posted that in the first place. By tunneling me, I feel like you are likely to be scum who has been distancing and is trying to negate my inherently good scumhunting by making me constantly defend myself.
You have probably seen that Friend and I were just victorious in lylo, and you want us gone from this game.-
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you're asking other questions about meAGar wrote:@Friend: Questions in this post.
Furc, don't answer questions for other players, or are you trying to cover a scumbuddy here?
I didn't ask why you're town, so kudos for not reading posts. Also, if I generally disregard meta, why would I care about your LYLO results?
either address said "contradictions" or get off me
also, pacman, you have no room to criticize anyone's play this game if you're town
Also, friend getting a glow as of 1310 likely either has to do with his defense of meta and/or his distancing from wanting to bandwagon based upon shotty reasons as opposed to his voting. Since it could be a good or evil player doing either one, though light is much more likely to be the good player, we can't really properly speculate. I would assume that the good player is trying to watch out for me.
I did act completely different in mini 1000. I don't see where you get off claiming I'm acting that same was, vezokpiraka.-
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If you had actually read MY posts, you would understand that I disagree there are contradictions there whatsoever. Also consider my recent post has gained light and yours smokeAGar wrote:Friend, you're still ignoring my questions.
Furcolow, if you're too fucking ignorant to realize the contradictions that I pointed out in your own posts with links, then that's tough. There is no elaboration why each specific contradiction is indicative of scum. If you'd read my posts, which I don't think you did, you'd have noted where I said (multiple times) I found it telling of scum when players make multiple contradictions of themselves. Not players who contradict themselves on X or Y issues. Just contradict themselves.
That's two light posts indicating Vezokpiraka is scum. He is generally unhelpful and scummy regardless, so I'm not sure I'm convinced and want to vote him simply based upon that.
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