Ladies Night -- Game Over

[DrippingGoofball]

Hi,

just returned from Caffwagon, laundering fermented underwear - will post tomorrow!

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Hey Sotty, care to operationalise overreaction?

This is a rock-solid town tell. Just sayin' - Haylen is as good as a confirmed townie.

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Hi. Are you scum?

Hi. Thankfully no, I'm not. Being scum makes me nervous and stresses me out especially recently since people suddenly think I am a scum mastermind. Since we are old battle hardened war buddies wanna tell me if your scum? If you are I'll make your death quick and painless, I promise.

SCUMPUTER:

SCUM DETECTED

(I wish we had blinking tags)

I don't see how any of this Haylen v Hoop talk has anything to do with actual mafia. I think Hoop is intentionally pushing Haylen's buttons but Haylen is overreacting and playing the victim. As a fellow dyslexia suffer it annoys me when people use it as a crutch.

I just don't understand how you could mess up that equation. Can you explain Dyscalculia to me more, and how it affects you? (I'm not trying to be rude)

Why ask this question? It does nothing but add fluff to the thread.

Vote: Hoopla

I agree with the scum, this is a town vs. town fight. The scum's vote on Hoopla is rubbish. Hoopla is so town, I reached for my sunglasses to read her posts.

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DGB:

When you read this, could you please tell me your opinion of camn's post?

More town than you. You're better at walking on the fence than a circus squirrel.

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Speaking of camn-hate.. I notice I am the voteleader.

WTF

I'm going to have to daykill these catty chicks.

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And can we please stop with that girly-girl "I'm so sucky boo-hoo" business? I want to see some pride in sucking as town better than the testicled ones.

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camn: I'm not getting the town camn feel I got in either of the Lovers game we played.

Someone's smoking crack. Or is scum.

Maybe my earlier read was wrong.

[DrippingGoofball]

Ps: Hi DGB!

<3 <3 <3

OK enough cuddles

More blood

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Also.. I suggest everyone ISO Paws right now... then tell me how that is indicative of newbie-TOWN play?
There is nothing there.

Is Paws an alt?

'Cuz I'm sensing nO0b

5Ku

/\/\ play.

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SCUMPUTER: SCUM DETECTED

Can you explain a bit more?

Sure could, sweet stuff.

It's the whining about hating to be scum. Sotty is describing her reactions when she picked up her role PM. That's why they are so vivid. They are recent, and very real.

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As for reads, it's a reaction chain. Without starting from a pebble, I can't build the prison I trap scum in.

^^^ TOWN

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DGB, why aren't you voting?

I dropped my pencil and I'm too lazy to bend.

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DGB, why aren't you voting?

I dropped my pencil and I'm too lazy to bend.

Can I vote for you then?

Votes of confidence aren't counted, but they are appreciated.

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if paws flips scum, take a look at sotty. The coaching in 110 made my gut twinge more than anyone else's suggestions/etc to paws.

I'm a complete sucker for this kind of reasoning.

agree with sentiment on chau. Chau has a disturbing knack for making things out to be a bigger deal than they are, I think, and I see scum intent with that. Push a boundary here, agitate a person there, until something sticks and then VOILA! a mislynch.

So we've got 3 scums in Sotty, Paws and Chau.

Paws has ample experience on other sites to not pull the ZOMG IT'S DAY ONE I'M GOING TO NOT DO JACK CRAP bull.

ORLY - Paws is even more nO0b

5KMu

/\/\ than I first thought.

In other news, esuriospiritus is town.

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Paws has requested that she be replaced, so I am in the process of finding someone.

I hate this. This is caught scum giving up. Not looking good for the replacement.

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Dayvig: Sotty7

We can lynch Paws tomorrow.

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Camn, Scotty and/or Haylen.

One of these 3 is scum with Paws. Should be Sotty.

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Fenchurch is town.

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: As everyone knows, I wold rather go toe-to-toe with DGB scum in endgame than risk her mislynch... but I am very disturbed by her lack of a vote. Other than that I see

town

there.

I want to vote Paws. The "Townsperson" nO0b label, and eventual replacement, is the only thing that stands between me a vote. I didn't realize that Paws had begged to be in this game; her departure when under fire is another mega-scumtell.

In fact I'd be up for a Paws lynch even before the mod brings in a replacement. I doubt that this will gather much support, but that's what we need to do if we're going to lynch scum today.

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Let's do it then.

vote: Paws & replacement

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I'm giddy with Hoopla love right now.

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I'm not dead?

Some of my town reads must be wrong.

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The Paws wagon is a REALLY BAD BAD BAD wagon to be on as scum.

It would look bad, even if LATE on this wagon.

Think: a quick wagon on a lurker

that was about to be replaced

. Were I scum, I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.

The scum is here, in the pool of non-voters:

camn (1) (

Snow_Bunny

)
Apokalyptika (1) (

cepi

)
Snow_Bunny (1) (

chauchaudotcom

)
UncertainKitten (1) (

Sucrose

)
Sucrose (1) (

Hoopla

)
Not Voting (2) (

Ojanen

)

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Yeah but the wagon was scary fast. There may not be scum on it at all. In any event, off-wagon is the place to look for today.

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I was basking in Hoopla-love for her super-townie post until I read her paranoid DGB hate-fest. But then, Hoopla is among the Paws non-voters, so, hey.

Now hun, you know my Sotty-scum read was dependent on Paws-scum. Paws flipped town, so if Sotty is scum, it sure isn't because she was coaching/bus'ing Paws her "scumpal."

Fast wagons may be frequently scum-driven, however, in this case, as I explained earlier, if I were scum I wouldn't be eager to hop on this wagon, especially in the late parts of it. I might have been on the earlier part of the Paws wagon, NOT EXPECTING this wagon to come to a lynch, parked in a safe place.

Also, camn, you know I'm town, so cut the BS. I might bring up that you lacked the proper camn amounts of lurker-blood-lust for Paws, that you wouldn't kill me night 1 which might explain my survival, that sort of stuff, and that would be unbecoming of ladies.

Fenchurch is almost certainly town, no way a scum would hammer a player for which the scum is trying to find a replacement.

I have to make dinner, I will look up a few things this evening.

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OK cepi is town.

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OK cepi is town.

Even though two of her choices were on the Paws wagon?

That doesn't make her less of a shining beacon of wholesome, bloodlusting townieness.

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I just iso'd Apokalyptyka. Not really feeling the scum vibes here.

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camn is town, cepi is town, so next is chauchau. Not seeing much scum here, either. She's kinda antagonizing a whole slew of players, which isn't something scum would do.

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I iso'd Haylen and scanned - lots of fluff.

The signal to noise ratio is about as unfavorable as the towntell/noise ratio. Mmmmm.

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I'd like to refer everyone to this Ojanen post:

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 6#p2463356

Ojanen didn't get NK'd, so clearly, has some inaccurate scum/town reads, but she's a genius.

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Esurio was pretty gung-ho about an Apolytptyka lynch:

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 0#p2459060

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Why don't you consider the possibility that she's scum? She's off the D1 Paws wagon.

There is a lot of intelligence in her reads. Plus I'm not finished iso'ing players.

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THIS

is wrong on many levels.

Ah, it was not nice to not wait me before lynching. I still want camn love, but I'm also interested in how the Paws wagon build so fast. Specially fenchurch's hammer vote.

I am leery of FOS's. Especially the one below:

Wow, I iso'd Paws and I must say that there's nothing there. Nine posts of pure nothingness. Seems like someone is active lurking, and let's add the benching, and we have something worthy here.

FoS: Paws

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Sucrose: meh. Need moar.
UKitten is town.

SCUMLIST:

Apok (for reasons that needed 'splainin but I see it now)
Sotty (for tentative, scaredy-cat language), ODD scumreads, and OFF the Paws wagon safely on a peripheral wagon that wasn't going anywhere.
Snow_Bunny - as the lesser evil here.

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Sotty (for tentative, scaredy-cat language), ODD scumreads,

and OFF the Paws wagon safely on a peripheral wagon that wasn't going anywhere.

Not really, though...

Come on DGB, I know you're better than this.

I meant, OFF scumreads, not ODD scumreads.

I don't like your 'tude, Miss Hoopla.

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UK; thoughts on DGB and camn?

Why are you picking on Ojanen? Why are you picking on the bloodthirsty duo?

I'm not entirely sure I've often seen this barrage of "X is town" from DGB before whatsoever.

I have it narrowed it down to three so...

vote: Apo

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No, I was talking about the bit I bolded. Sotty wasn't OFF the Paws wagon - she parked her vote ON her early and stayed there.

Ooops

The other reasons remain.

[DrippingGoofball]

I love you, but you're either wrong, or scum. If you're wrong, you know what to do. If you're scum, you're just doing your job.

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Let's assume for the sake of discussion that you're wrong.

You have a really dumb bee in your bonnet regarding Ojanen. I think it's pretty well known that I have no fear of making a 180 on a player I once found town, or once found scum. I'm not finding Ojanen scummy. Why you're picking on THAT PARTICULAR town read of mind is weird. Why aren't you picking on the others? I've got plenty of town reads that are on way flimsier grounds than my Ojanen read. Why aren't you disputing my camn read? Mu cepi read? My YOU read? Mmmmmmmm???

Furthermore, I'm not dogmatic. When I say that the scum is OFF the Paws wagon, that's a probabilistic statement, not a hard fact. It's very strange that you expect me to find all the OFF wagon players scummy. Why are you disputing my chauchau and cepi reads? Not all the off wagon players are scum. YOU ARE NOT READING THE GAME because I also said that if there is scum on the Paws wagon, that scum would be on the EARLY wagon, which includes Sotty and Apok, two of my scum reads. Snow_Bunny is one OFF the wagon.

I'm inconsistent? Go play in traffic. How many times was I scum, and saw my scumpals fret about BEING CONSISTENT. That''s the single most common fear I see in scumpals. They're careful about being consistent. And THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I see someone bring up INCONSISTENCY as a scumtell.

I don't give a rat's tutu if my iso's aren't confirming my wagon analysis, that's an artefact of scumhunting. First I did the wagon analysis, and got a first idea. Then I did the isos, and got more ideas. These ideas can and do conflict.

Your accusation that I'm not reading the game because I made an error is utterly ridiculous, and I couldn't help give you a taste of your own medicine a few paragraphs ago.

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No...you insinuated that I'm a mason because you think I can day talk. And then you voted for me :/

What? I can't believe more people haven't commented on this.
Are you seriously suggesting that you don't remember that scum have daytalk, even though it's been pointed out several times in the past couple pages, in the whole discussion about coaching? I don't know if this is a really klutsy attempt to appear town by ignorance, or if you've been doing some serious skimming. Either way it's really scummy.

A MOST EXCELLENT POINT

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It's not "WIFOM."

It's been mentioned earlier that the scum has daytalk, so that the "you think I'm a mason" bit sounds very much forced. I like to jokingly tell my suspects to go back and "check their QTs" personally, so I think the implication of a QT is NEVER, EVER related to masons, but 100% scum-talk.

In light of this, Haylen's comment is hugely weird.

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chauchau is town. For posterity.

Willing to ride the Snow_Bunny wagon after votecount.

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The scum is lurking RIGHT NOW

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The three leading wagons are super-awesome scumwagons. Any of them is good. However, we only have ONE lynch. I like where my vote is at the moment.

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We definitely need to blast Snow_Bunny and Haylen. I don't care in what order.

This one is for the QT business.

VOTE: Haylen

You need to unvote first.

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at DGB's change.

We're going to need a lynch...

Though Apolyptika maybe strategically scum-lurking, mmmm.

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Dont hammer me until i've posted properly. I will be pissed.

Mmm. Haylen might be town.

Gotta get myself more of that Ojanen luv.

VOTE: Apolyptyikca

Same goes with here... although I guess it doesn't matter because that's where you were.

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DGB, how on earth did that solitary post cause you to do such a drastic flip on Haylen? That makes no sense from where I'm standing.

I'm not completely sold on Haylen-town, but at the same time, she seems resigned to her lynch and wants to make it right before going. That strikes me as a pro-town sentiment. Given that I love all three leading wagons, I don't mind switching.

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On the other hand, it took Apokalyptika a long time to post today if I'm not mistaken.

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On the theory that scumz aren't in a rush to post after night, wanting to see where the wind blows first, this is the order of posting after night:
DGB

SB

UK
sotty
camn

Hayl

Fen
chauchau
hoop

cepi

sucrose

Apok

On the basis of which, my vote for Apok is cemented. Also, cepi needs to die. And posting early is a small town-tell for SB.

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@DGB: Why does cepi need to die? Or is it for reasons...ah...not necessarily related to cepi being mafia aligned?

I understand your logic, though I'm curious to see a succinct summary of what Apok stands accused of. If it already exists feel free to link me.

cepi: somewhat late to the day, lack of town-tells.
Apok: see earlier case, late to the day, lack of town-tells.

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I'm relaxed, too. Check about pages 6-8.

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UK, knock it down a notch please.

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Are we even lynching you???

I thought we were lynching Apok.

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...The more time spent accusing me of things that flat aren't true is the less time spent scumhunting.

You may begin scumhunting now.

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My head is hosting some conflicting ideas.

Haylen is still scum regarding the QT-mason bizniss.

camn is right, Apok is claim-stalling, ie, soft-claiming scum.

But I'm starting to get a meek/insecure vibe from Apok, which may be the source of the scummy impression.

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Hey SnowWhite... esurio is a dead townie... you might want to revise that case...

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SnowWhite is town, Ojanen is town.

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This is what I think I have so far:

TOWN

DrippingGoofball
Snow White chauchaudotcom
Ojanen
Fenchurch
Apokalyptika

PROB TOWN

Hoopla
UncertainKitten

OTHERS

Sucrose
camn (I have a town read, but I haven't read the case on camn yet)
Sotty7
cepi
Haylen
SnowBunny

[DrippingGoofball]

Read the case(s); camn is being her town self.

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Im really struggling to believe the Apoka claim. First, she didnt claim what she did yesterday. Second, she breadcrumbed when she was pressured, which is something that scum do all the time when they want to fakeclaim... (where is the breacrumb anyway?). Then, if she were a power role, she would not have dissapeared when there was a posibility of lynch. And finally, townies claiming power role get the feeling of vindication because they subconsciously think their claim will confirm them and start hunting for the people that pushed the lynch. What does Apoka do? Go to take a nap?

I like this so much I'm kicking myself for not seeing it myself. <3 cepi. A very townie thought-process.

I will now show my appreciation:

unvote, vote: Haylen

[DrippingGoofball]

^^^^^^^
RRRRRRRRNGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH

Did I hear a chainsaw? I think I heard a chainsaw.

That's not what that is, hun.

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This is what I think I have so far:

TOWN

DrippingGoofball
Snow White chauchaudotcom
Ojanen
Fenchurch
Apokalyptika

PROB TOWN

Hoopla
UncertainKitten

OTHERS

Sucrose
camn (I have a town read, but I haven't read the case on camn yet)
Sotty7
cepi
Haylen
SnowBunny

This I cant tolerate, specially from DGB.

Why there is no scum in this list=?

This only means one thing. DGB is also scum.

It meant I hadn't read the camn case so I couldn't put her in "scum" and my read of SB is fuzzy. Let me clarify in the next post.

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TOWN

DrippingGoofball
Snow White chauchaudotcom
Ojanen
Fenchurch
camn (I have a town read, but I haven't read the case on camn yet)
cepi

PROB TOWN

Hoopla
UncertainKitten

NULL

Sucrose
Apokalyptika

SCUM

Sotty7
Haylen
SnowBunny

[DrippingGoofball]

EBWOP: the caveat on camn is now cancelled, of course.

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Haylen, where is your scumlist?

In her PM, stupid.

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Well, we'll see who's right then, won't we DGB.

You realize, this challenge is unfair if you're bus'ing, right?

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DGB has posted in 2 other games 12 hours after she was last here.

My last post was last frikin' night!!! What are your talking about???

I still think camn is town. Sorry. Unless you have rolebased info, and I don't think that you do, I still have camn down as town.

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I was in a game that was mod-abandoned (by OGML) a whille ago, where camn was scum. I don't think I let it be shown in thread, because I wanted to see more of her to be certain, but I remember having a bothersome feeling that she was scum, for pretty much the whole game. I made a mental note that camn is a lot less blustery when scum. That's why I think she's town in this came.

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Claim time. Read my sig.

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Seemed fake and daytalk induced.

That's rich, coming from you...

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Refusal to claim? Resignation to the lynch?

Oh well, what the hell.

Unvote, Vote: camn

THAT was a hammer, BTW.

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Refusal to claim? Resignation to the lynch?

Oh well, what the hell.

Unvote, Vote: camn

If this isnt a OBVSCUM post, I dont know what it is.

Agreed, especially given the general meekness that Apok exsudes.

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Also, Haylen needs to die really, really bad.

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If Haylen isn't vig'ed, Apok is lynched. No questions asked.

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Yeah, but except for the lack of a timely claim, I'm not seeing camn as scum.

I'm still not liking that fake "OMG a QT you must mean a mason QT amirite" bizniss.

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Pretty sure chauchau/Snow-White is a townie slot.

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Haylen or Bunny if camn flips town.

I have no choice if camn flips scum, because I havent thought on that position, but Ill trust Hoopla, and say Sucrose.

Most excellent indeed.

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I'm guessing vig, because you said "out with a bang."

amirite?

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Wait you can't be vig... if you were vig, you would have shot.

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Oh, also, DGB isn't dead yet. She's also been having some difficulties with being right.

Scuse me???

camn was playing to her town meta, I was pretty sure of it, having recently seen her as scum for the first time.

Yeah. I'm alive. That's a problem. Either the scum thought I'd be doc-protected (no PRs with obv doc-protection are out as far as I can recall) or some of my town reads are wrong.

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It really had next to nothing to do with gut.

The thought occurred to me that you had role-based information, but I was struggling with the TIMING of the bee entering your bonnet. It was in mid game-day. I would have expected role-based information to be hinted at earlier. I know that can be interpreted as scummy, but one of the reasons I didn't defend camn as strongly as I normally would have, is that I considered the possibility of Ojanen having role-based info as non-zero.

Gah.

And then, camn flipped VANILLA townie. So I'm not sure how it could be anything but gut. She couldn't have targeted anyone.

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I'm saying that you aren't above suspicion dear. If I were certain you were scum, I'd currently be voting you. I merely see the need to extol those who might be having some schoolgirl crushes on you to clear their mind and consider you a suspect now .

I understand, I'd suspect myself for still being alive on Day 3 if I didn't know better.

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Both deaths were "shot."

So far, this is looking like a rather mountainous game.

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I think it's pretty clear where the kills came from.

I suspect a mountainous+vig setup, or something very simple.

I'm conflicted about Ojanen.

(1) She sounds very sincere. Even yesterday, camn called Ojanen town. So did I. She sounds exceptionally townie this morning.
(2) She's now soft-claiming that role-based info about camn is behind her murderous rampage of yesterday.
(3) However, camn was vanilla, so role-based info is limited. Can't be roleblocker, because the claimed vig said she didn't shoot. Can't be doc. Can't be cop. Can't be tracker. Can't be watcher... not a whole lot of possibilities. Further, it's unlikely to be anything fancy or exotic.

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Ojanen was a non-voter on the Paws wagon.

b) The non voters. (Bunny, chauchau, Sucros, Hoopla, Ojanen) -> Prob Bunny or chauchau.

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Final Day 2 Vote Count

• camn

  (7) (

  Haylen

  - Ojanen - Hoopla - UncertainKitten - Snow_Bunny -

  Fenchurch

  -

  Apokalyptika

  )
  
  
  Haylen
  (2) (

  Apokalyptika

  - Sucrose -

  DrippingGoofball

  )
  
  
  Snow_Bunny
  (2) (Sotty7 - camn)
  
  
  Apokalyptika
  (1) (cepi -

  Snow_Bunny

  )
  
  
  Not Voting
  (1) (Snow White -

  Fenchurch

  )

[DrippingGoofball]

question for everyone: DGB's cluelessness about the known set-up we're playing in - faked or realistic? i say fake.

Page 1 indeed. :redcheeks:

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Final Day 1 Vote Count

• Paws

  (8) (Sotty7 - UncertainKitten -

  Apokalyptika

  -

  Haylen

  -

  DrippingGoofball

  -

  camn

  -

  esuriospiritus - camn - Fenchurch

  )
  
  
  camn
  (1) (Snow_Bunny)
  
  
  Apokalyptika
  (1) (cepi -

  Fenchurch

  )
  
  
  Snow_Bunny
  (1) (chauchaudotcom)
  
  
  UncertainKitten
  (1) (Sucrose)
  
  
  Sucrose
  (1) (Hoopla)
  
  
  chauchaudotcom
  (0) (

  esuriospiritus

  )
  
  
  Not Voting
  (2) (Ojanen -

  Paws

  )

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Final Day 2 Vote Count

• camn

  (7) (

  Haylen

  - Ojanen - Hoopla - UncertainKitten - Snow_Bunny -

  Fenchurch

  -

  Apokalyptika

  )
  
  
  Haylen
  (2) (

  Apokalyptika

  - Sucrose -

  DrippingGoofball

  )
  
  
  Snow_Bunny
  (2) (Sotty7 - camn)
  
  
  Apokalyptika
  (1) (cepi -

  Snow_Bunny

  )
  
  
  Not Voting
  (1) (Snow White -

  Fenchurch

  )

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Final Day 2 Vote Count

• camn

  (7) (

  Haylen

  - Ojanen - Hoopla - UncertainKitten - Snow_Bunny -

  Fenchurch

  -

  Apokalyptika

  )
  
  
  Haylen
  (2) (

  Apokalyptika

  - Sucrose -

  DrippingGoofball

  )
  
  
  Snow_Bunny
  (2) (Sotty7 -

  camn

  )
  
  
  Apokalyptika
  (1) (cepi -

  Snow_Bunny

  )
  
  
  Not Voting
  (1) (Snow White -

  Fenchurch

  )

[DrippingGoofball]

One of Sotty and UKitten is scum.
5 Sotty7
5 UKitten

One of Ojanen, Hoopla, UKitten, SnowBunnys is scum.
2.5 Ojanen
2.5 Hoopla
2.5 UKitten
2.5 SnowBunny

Snowbunny likely bus'ed on Day 2 by Sotty
1 Sotty
1 SnowBUnny

TOTALS
7.5 Ukitten
6 Sotty
3.5 UKitten
3.5 SnowBunny
2.5 Hoopla

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She was pretending to be a cop

She was???

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WOW... Ojanen has a lot of imagination... I was just skimming Haylen as "fluff."

[DrippingGoofball]

Sotty would be my favorite lynch for today.

[DrippingGoofball]

Upon re-consideration, there has got to be two scums on the camn wagon. Why? Because camn was a tasty morsel, and all the responsibility for the lynch lay at Ojanen's feet.

RECALCULATING

One of Sotty and UKitten is scum.
5 Sotty7
5 UKitten

One of Ojanen, Hoopla, UKitten, SnowBunny is scum.
5 Ojanen
5 Hoopla
5 UKitten
5 SnowBunny

Snowbunny likely bus'ed on Day 2 by Sotty
1 Sotty
1 SnowBUnny

TOTALS

10 Ukitten
6 Sotty
6 SnowBunny
5 Ojanen
5 Hoopla

[DrippingGoofball]

I'd go for either a Sotty or Hoopla lynch, actually.

Why Hoopla?

[DrippingGoofball]

Based on the previous wagons and votes, I'd say Hoopla. But Sotty is there too.

Do you have a reason for this, independent of my vote analysis?

[DrippingGoofball]

...now I think Ojanen was shifting attention away from the Snow Bunny lynch to protect her. I don't buy the cop explanation and seem like a big leap considering Haylen's play.

That opinion is scummy on two levels. You have to believe the following:

(1) Ojanen-scum would have sacrificed her own safety the next day to protect her alleged scumpal.
(2) Ojanen-scum has creatively imagined that Haylen had a negative result on a townie and exploited this - and NK'd Fenchurch instead (yes I'm assuming that's the scum NK)

Neither of these scenarios have any credibility.

Sounds like you're trying to keep townies "lynchable" as much as you can.

[DrippingGoofball]

Good point.

Vote Count 1.2

• Hoopla

  (3) (Sucrose - Sotty7 -

  Apokalyptika

  )
  
  
  Haylen
  (2) (Hoopla -

  Haylen

  )
  
  
  Apokalyptika
  (2) (

  esuriospiritus

  -

  camn

  )
  
  
  camn
  (2) (UncertainKitten - Snow_Bunny)
  
  
  Sotty7
  (0) (

  esuriospiritus

  )
  
  
  Not Voting
  (6) (

  UncertainKitten

  - Ojanen -

  camn

  - chauchaudotcom -

  Sotty7

  - cepi -

  Apokalyptika

  -

  Paws

  -

  Fenchurch

  -

  DrippingGoofball

  -

  Snow_Bunny

  )

Vote Count 1.3

• camn

  (4) (UncertainKitten - Snow_Bunny -

  Haylen

  -

  Apokalyptika

  )
  
  
  Paws
  (3) (Sotty7 - Hoopla -

  camn

  )
  
  
  Apokalyptika
  (2) (

  esuriospiritus

  -

  camn

  - cepi)
  
  
  Snow_Bunny
  (1) (chauchaudotcom)
  
  
  UncertainKitten
  (1) (Sucrose)
  
  
  Haylen
  (0) (

  Hoopla

  -

  Haylen

  )
  
  
  Hoopla
  (0) (

  Sucrose

  -

  Sotty7

  -

  Apokalyptika

  )
  
  
  Not Voting
  (4) (Ojanen -

  chauchaudotcom

  -

  cepi

  -

  Paws

  -

  Fenchurch

  -

  DrippingGoofball

  )

Vote Count 2.3

• Haylen

  (3) (

  Apokalyptika

  - Sucrose -

  Fenchurch

  )
  
  
  Snow_Bunny

  (3) (Hoopla -

  camn

  - UncertainKitten)
  
  
  Apokalyptika

  (3) (cepi -

  DrippingGoofball

  - Ojanen)
  
  
  camn
  (2) (

  Haylen

  - Snow_Bunny)
  
  
  Snow White
  (1) (Sotty7)
  
  
  Not Voting
  (1) (

  Ojanen

  - Snow White)

Vote Count 2.5

• Apokalyptika

  (5) (cepi -

  DrippingGoofball

  -

  Ojanen

  - Hoopla -

  camn

  -

  Fenchurch

  )
  
  
  Snow_Bunny
  (2) (

  camn

  - UncertainKitten - Sotty7)
  
  
  Haylen
  (2) (

  Apokalyptika

  - Sucrose)
  
  
  camn
  (1) (

  Haylen

  -

  Snow_Bunny

  )
  
  
  UncertainKitten
  (1) (Snow_Bunny)
  
  
  Not Voting
  (2) (Snow White -

  Fenchurch

  - Ojanen)

[DrippingGoofball]

RECALCULATING

One of Sotty and UKitten is scum.
5 Sotty7
5 UKitten

One of Ojanen, Hoopla, UKitten, SnowBunny is scum.
5 Ojanen
5 Hoopla
5 UKitten
5 SnowBunny

Snowbunny likely bus'ed on Day 2 by Sotty
1 Sotty
1 SnowBUnny

VC 1.2 weak with information, inconclusive.

VC 1.3 all these wagons aren't on townies are they??? That's a weak belief, so one point only.
1 Snow_Bunny
1 UKitten
1 Hoopla

VC 2.3 is difficult to sort out, except that Hoopla is the one that broke the 3-way tie between Haylen-town, to Apok-town, by unvoting SNOW_BUNNY whose alignment is unknown.
2 SnowBunny
2 Hoopla

VC 2.5 - one of cepi and Hoopla is scum.
5 cepi
5 Hoopla
two of Ojanen, SnowWhite, SnowBunny, Sucrose, UKitten, Sotty is scum.
3.3 Ojanen
3.3 SnowWhite
3.3 SnowBunny
3.3 Sucrose
3.3 UKitten
3.3 Sotty

TOTALS

14.3 Ukitten
13 Hoopla
12.3 SnowBunny

9.3 Sotty
8.3 Ojanen
5 cepi
3.3 SnowWhite/chauchau
3.3 Sucrose/DI

Need to re-read, see if this makes sense as a scum team. I may have one of them wrong.

[DrippingGoofball]

Looking into what might have motivated scum to buff Fenchurch... the scum buffed a player they thought they couldn't lynch. Because Fenchurch's reads were mostly wrong, she only voted townies, and tended to be a follower.

Who has a meta of killing obvtownies at night, looking at no other reason?

Also, the scumteam must feel rather safe. Or maybe some WIFOM with that.

[DrippingGoofball]

Same goes for esuriospiritus. She wasn't strident on her scum reads, she had few of them.

[DrippingGoofball]

OK, let's suppose that the Paws wagon never happened:

TOTALS

13 Hoopla
12.3 SnowBunny
9.3 Ukitten

8.3 Ojanen
5 cepi
4.3 Sotty
3.3 SnowWhite/chauchau
3.3 Sucrose/DI

[DrippingGoofball]

VOTES

*UKitten

camn

Paws

Sucrose/DI
SnowBunny

*Sucrose

Hoopla
UKitten

Haylen

*Sotty7

Hoopla

Paws

chauchau/SW
SnowBunny

*SnowBunny

Hoopla

camn

UKitten

Apok

*Ojanen

Apok

camn

*Hoopla

Haylen

Paws

Sucrose/DI
SnowBunny

DrippingGoofball

Apok

*chauchau/SW

SnowBunny

*cepi

Apok

Haylen

OK based on this, I'd venture to say that Sotty7 has got to be the scumbag that's not being bus'ed.

UKitten has reciprocal votes with Sucrose/DI andSnowBunny.
Sucrose/DI has reciprocal votes with UKitten and Hoopla.
Hoopla has reciprocal votes with Sucrose/DI and SnowBunny.
Sotty votes Hoopla, chauchau/SW and SnowBunny, but gets no reciprocal suspicion.

If Sotty flips scum, she'd be scum with Hoopla/SnowBunny (I'm sure she's bus'ing one of them) and UKitten/Sucrose.

[DrippingGoofball]

Hey.

That's entirely possible.

If you're not scum. Let's suppose that you're not scum. Let me re-calculate.

[DrippingGoofball]

TOTALS

13 Sotty
13 Hoopla
13 SnowBunny

9 Ojanen
5 cepi
4 SnowWhite/chauchau
4 Sucrose/DI

[DrippingGoofball]

Also, I reckon that Sucrose may be low on the totem pole for being less active than other players.

[DrippingGoofball]

Still, I think I'd rather lynch Sotty. If Sotty flips scum, she'd be scum with Hoopla/SnowBunny (I'm sure she's bus'ing one of them) and UKitten/Sucrose (that she's NOT bus'ing.

[DrippingGoofball]

cepi, please look at the DATA in my post #673 and tell me what you think.

[DrippingGoofball]

DizzyIzzy's entrance into the game lacks that wholesome "let me find the scum" aura that townie replacements exude.

[DrippingGoofball]

I think the scum may be Sotty, Sucrose/DI, and one of Hoopla/SnowBunny.

[DrippingGoofball]

Vote Count 3.1

• Snow_Bunny

  (3) (UncertainKitten -

  Sotty7

  -

  cepi

  )
  
  
  Hoopla
  (1) (

  Snow_Bunny

  )
  
  
  DrippingGoofball
  (1) (

  Hoopla

  )
  
  
  Apokalyptika
  (0) (

  Hoopla

  -

  Ojanen

  )
  
  
  Not Voting
  (5) (

  UncertainKitten

  -

  Ojanen

  -

  DizzyIzzyB13

  -

  Snow White

  -

  Sotty7

  -

  Hoopla

  -

  cepi

  -

  Apokalyptika - DrippingGoofball

  -

  Snow_Bunny

  -

  Ojanen

  -

  Hoopla

  )

I'm not voting yet because I can't decide and I need to get it right.

If SnowBunny is scum, then UKitten, Sotty7, and cepi are likely townies.
Hoopla did start the day voting for two different townies, one of which (Apok) is as confirmed town as they get.
Things would make more sense if Sotty and Hoopla were scum, and SnowBunny was town.

[DrippingGoofball]

VOTES

*Sucrose

Hoopla
UKitten

Haylen

*Sotty7

Hoopla

Paws

chauchau/SW
SnowBunny

*Hoopla

Haylen

Paws

Sucrose/DI
SnowBunny

DrippingGoofball

Apok

Hoopla has voted a lot of players for flimsy reasons, but for some mysterious reason has never found Sotty vote-worthy. mmmmmmmm

[DrippingGoofball]

Both Sotty and Hoopla are employing the strategy of spreading the suspicion, especially along players and no one would otherwise suspect. Sotty is guilty of this with Ojanen, and Hoopla with Apok and me. This kind of makes sense as a fun day activity for scum since they're eliminating players they seem to feel they can't get lynched. I can just imagine the QT: "Sotty7 - we need to buff DGB ASAP --- Hoopla - let's kill Fenchurch, I can get DGB lynched tomorrow"

I'm a bit disappointed we don't have rolebased info by Day 3.

[DrippingGoofball]

UK - would you do me a favor?

Switch your vote to Sotty7.

vote: DizzyIzzy

[DrippingGoofball]

That way, we'll have Sotty, Hoopla, and Sucrose/DI with one vote each.

Popcorn?

[DrippingGoofball]

We need some lady with cojones to move her vote to one of Hoopla, Sotty, or DizzyIzzy.

[DrippingGoofball]

Any reason why you think Bunny is town, Mrs. DGB?

I think Hoopla/Sotty/DizzyIzzy(Sucrose) are the scum.

[DrippingGoofball]

Missed it, where?

[DrippingGoofball]

We need some lady with cojones to move her vote to one of Hoopla, Sotty, or DizzyIzzy.

Why the hell are you campaigning for votes without actually putting one down yourself?

This is just another example of DGB not believing in what she says - really, it has been a shoddy imitation of her town game.

I'm voting DIzzyIzzy, you turkey

[DrippingGoofball]

BTW I'm really loving Hoopla right now, so I've got DizzyIzzy & Sotty as main scum suspects. I'm feeling those two more strongly than Snow_Bunny.

[DrippingGoofball]

UK - would you do me a favor?

Switch your vote to Sotty7.

vote: DizzyIzzy

Here it is
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 5#p2499115

[DrippingGoofball]

'Tis an error.

Dammit. Sorry about that. I don't know how I keep missing votes, because I'm actually spectating the game with much interest. This will be fixed.

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm willing to switch to SBunny, so she should claim.

[DrippingGoofball]

The chances of SB getting RB'd or JK'd are pretty slim. Also, to paint her innocent with the Godfather brush doesn't bode well for her honesty.

I'm not believing the claim.

[DrippingGoofball]

I can agree to that. Especially if it means we're lynching Sotty or DizzyIssy instead.

[DrippingGoofball]

I'd like to see a competing wagon on Sotty. For kicks.

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm short on time today, but looking at Ojanen's votecounts, no matter which way you cut it, Sotty is scum.

[DrippingGoofball]

If you had an innocent on UK, why did you think she was still scummy?

I might as well ask why didnt you investigate camn night 1?

And there is the DGB lack of result night 1.... Im borderline thinking that we should go all in with the information stuff and decide if Bunny is either confirmed or scum.

You are genius. Bunny is scum.

[DrippingGoofball]

I am either vanilla, or a blocker targeting SB N1, or a jk targeting SB

or DGB

N1, but one thing for sure, I'm awesome.

[DrippingGoofball]

Miyu is town. However, I'm reasonably sure that 2/3 of her scum reads are town, and SB, Sotty and DizzyIzzy get off scott-free? Mmmmmmmm

UKitten, turn it down a notch please. PMS is unbecoming.

[DrippingGoofball]

Gawd. SB is so scum.

[DrippingGoofball]

@ Miyu

Your words have been useful, we know you're town for sure now.

[DrippingGoofball]

Her continued insistence SB is scum based on "Contradictions" that really aren't is bugging the hell out of me.

Wrong person, that's not me.

Honestly, SB makes SENSE as a cop that investigated me.

No, there was camn.

@DGB: Well her slot was fairly obviously not scum. And I'm leery about clearing someone based on ~*~magic walls of text~*~. But hey, didn't read em, probably not going to. So, whatever.

But that's 3 players in row in this slot, that smell like roses. She's town. Be nice to her. We need her on board.

[DrippingGoofball]

Nope.

I think Dizzy is town here. That's too farfetched as a scum gambit.

Sotty is scum, hence the DizzyIzzy vote.

SnowBunny is the scum, as is Sotty.

VOTE: SnowBunny

[DrippingGoofball]

Vote: Izzy

We should be lynching one of SB and Izzy today, that much is obvious.

We're not lynching the townie, though, so you're going to have to unvote.

[DrippingGoofball]

Well, the difference is I feel Snow_Bunny's behavior has really telegraphed her being a cop.

And I believe her behavior points to the opposite. I've spelled it out already. Her alleged night choices are COMPLETELY inconsistent with her words during the day.

[DrippingGoofball]

@DGB: My claim is more easily provable than the Doc's claim.

Which one is "more provable" than the other matters little, since I believe DI more. If DI was scum, she could just NK you tonight and get you dead, there's no point in a elaborate gambit. Again, your night choices are ridiculous when matched against your day play.

Come on people, listen to me. You lynched camn wrongly, you're lynching DI wrongly. SB is the scum here.

If you can't lynch SB, there's always Sotty whose death is grossly overdue.

We need to lynch scum. Really bad.

[DrippingGoofball]

One of DI and SB is lying. I strongly oppose a DI lynch. STRONGLY. I think this is a very wrong decision.

We apparently don't have a roleblocker/JK, is that right? That means that SB is lying.

Come on ladies, USE YOUR BRAINS.

[DrippingGoofball]

Because I see DGB as a strong player, who needs to be cleared as soon as possible. As that didn't work, I tried with my top suspect on night 2.

SO is camn, and she was under some suspicion, A LOT OF IT from YOU.

[DrippingGoofball]

One of DI and SB is lying. I strongly oppose a DI lynch. STRONGLY. I think this is a very wrong decision.

We apparently don't have a roleblocker/JK, is that right? That means that SB is lying.

Come on ladies, USE YOUR BRAINS.

Um, at what point did we decide we didn't have a RB/JK?

We had most of the players write out a denial saying they didn't roleblock SB or JK me.

[DrippingGoofball]

"I am either vanilla, or a blocker targeting SB N1, or a jk targeting SB or DGB N1." That's the message I read.

AH yeah.

Nonetheless. We have 3 PRs. You, One of (DI who claims Doctor/SB who claims Cop), and SB who claims the existence of a roleblocker/jailkeeper who would have targeted SB/DGB.

So if a player is a RB or JK and didn't target SB/DGB, or if you're any other RB, then you want to vote for SB. No question about it. Capice?

[DrippingGoofball]

I think you guys are making a terrible mistake.

[DrippingGoofball]

DGB. If you think SB is scum, why aren't you voting for her?

Izzy. Why Ojanen Night two?
Also. If you are Doc and Apok is Vig; then what is the third power role?

DGB. Why believe DI over SB? Why strongly oppose DI's lynch, when you seem to of had a stronger townread on Camn, whom you did not strongly advocate against the lynch of? If SB is lying about her claim as Cop, then why would your believe her claim of an RB/JK?

I think SB's vote on DI lynched her, since I never saw an unvote from DGB. Though, either way...

Vote: DizzyIzzy

I did change my vote, so you are the hammer.

That really sucks guys. I hope you're right; but I don't think so.

[DrippingGoofball]

I can't believe you let SB get away with this. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Like for camn. Horrible. Just horrible lack of thinking things through and letting yourselves be influenced by scum.

SnowBunny and SOtty are voting DI, that should tell you something. You've been snowed by scum.

[DrippingGoofball]

stuff stuff stuff

In both cases, though more if SB's cop, I have a slight feeling that one of Snow White/Dizzy is scum, just because I'm having real difficulty with finding a believable 3-person scumgroup.

stuff stuff stuff

Called it.

Vote: Dizzy

If Dizzy flips TOWN, I hope you realize that SnowBunny is automatic lying scum and needs to be vig'ed, right? The scum might NK you to avoid this.

I'm still steaming about the camn lynch where I failed to follow my instincts and I'm afraid we've mislynched again. ARGH

[DrippingGoofball]

Nice to respond to only the first thing out of all that DGB.

I don't know what you're talking about.

[DrippingGoofball]

I hate this game.

Someone NK me please.

[DrippingGoofball]

I AM VOTING SNOWBUNNY.

Nope.

I think Dizzy is town here. That's too farfetched as a scum gambit.

Sotty is scum, hence the DizzyIzzy vote.

SnowBunny is the scum, as is Sotty.

VOTE: SnowBunny

[DrippingGoofball]

DGB. If you think SB is scum, why aren't you voting for her?

If that's what you're gloating about, I was voting SB. PROOF ABOVE.

[DrippingGoofball]

If Dizzy flips TOWN, I hope you realize that SnowBunny is automatic lying scum and needs to be vig'ed, right? The scum might NK you to avoid this.

I should hope so. I figured that was fair obvious.

It would have been better if we would have lynched the scum, first, and shot down Sotty at night.

I can't believe DI was quicklynched like this after the claim.

[DrippingGoofball]

If you're voting snow_Bunny, you forgot to unvote...

Maybe there was no votecount yet? I used the voting tags.

[DrippingGoofball]

I voted SB AFTER the last mod votecount.

[DrippingGoofball]

I don't know, I don't care anymore. I can't believe you bought that salad from SB. Those night choices are complete crap, and I believe there is no roleblocked, and DI is indeed the doctor. FOOLS

[DrippingGoofball]

Would have been better to lynch scum, and vig scum. As it is, APOK is probably going to be NK'd, and we'll have to sacrifice SB tomorrow, then Sotty, and who knows who the third scum is, I'll have to look into it, but I'm not liking a few players at all right now.

[DrippingGoofball]

Anyhoo. I hope you guys are right. I you are, I'll owe you a big apology. But right now I'm seething.

[DrippingGoofball]

NEVER VIG DrippingGoofball!!! NEVER!!!

Great game all, I was very impressed with you Hoopla, you have ovaries of steel! And a womb of rock!

[DrippingGoofball]

This was a most excellent game, and RedCoyote was a most excellent mod.

It was fun being town with camn again, and one day I hope to share a scum QT with Hoopla.