Of Gods And Men (GAME OVER!)

[rajrhcpfreak]

vote: Plum

there is a couple of people i already see rising on my scumdar but someone not helping at all and selfvoting is someone that needs to be removed asap.

[rajrhcpfreak]

crap i skimmed over those pages not understanding the vote count.

ignore me chastizing plum.
SaintKerrigan random voted then for some reason when he found out the mechanic he unvoted to revote for me. somthing feels weird, its no longer random its intentional. do you have a problem with random voting Iecerint?

ill keep my vote on Saint. he was second on my list anyways.

[rajrhcpfreak]

vote: Plum

there is a couple of people i already see rising on my scumdar but someone not helping at all and selfvoting is someone that needs to be removed asap.

Scummy. She implied in her post she had a pro-town reason for self-voting and yet you're voting her "for being unhelpful" i.e. actually being scummy which is illogical and opportunistic. Not that I disapprove of her lynch if she wants to be lynched but your stated reason for voting her is not well reasoned.

SaintKerrigan random voted then for some reason when he found out the mechanic he unvoted to revote for me. somthing feels weird, its no longer random its intentional. do you have a problem with random voting Iecerint?

ill keep my vote on Saint. he was second on my list anyways.

Until you give a better reason this is now just retaliatory voting (OMGUS).

are you really going to pick and choose from my quote? right before my post 85 i said i was stupid and i messed up on the purpose of plum's selfvote. i didnt realize that the vote was being bumped down two players.

OMGUS or not his reasoning is fallible. lets go slowly for you to understand..

1. he first blames it on random vote. i do detest random votes but thats a losing battle.
2. what better way to random vote than to place a vote and it magicly moves it to another player.
3. apparently the random random vote isnt good enough for SK so he unvotes and rerandom votes.

now lets make some conclusions:
1. since his vote really isnt random then there is somthing behind his votes.
i can only conclude that he has some reason to vote for me, or he has a reason not to vote for Iecerint. i wont go into the the many WIFOM options that we can go from that, but in the end he is lying about his random vote.

is this OMGUS? well is it ok to attack a person that you know is innocent for intentially voting for them but hiding it as a random vote? yes as long as its not yourself aparently. is he scum? possibly. enough for me to call him out on it and give him a vote. its not like any of his votes have been pro town anyways.

i really hate that we get to a place in the game where we cant confront attackers without it being called OMGUS.



On worship, i dont care how we do it. i can vote any way, how ever the town requests, or make all my vote completely transparent.

[rajrhcpfreak]

@plum
the reason why you cant get any info out of my post on worship is that i have no clue what it is, or how it helps me. my role does not have any clue on who i should worship. so that is why i dont care.

Your thoughts Ice? Are you an ass. Or are you a scummy ass.

well because of SK's quickness to avoid voting Ice i find it a little weird. i havnt felt any weird vibes from him yet.

am i an ass? ive been told that. but hell im going to defend my self. but you are voting with me so i guess it doesnt matter. i have a problem with your post. its hard to read and i dont know who you are talking to. i assumed it was me since im Narcissistic.


Percy doesnt get a response. i corrected my self a couple a posts later and i get crucified for it. sounds more like scum grasping for easy lynches.

[rajrhcpfreak]

Hey, raj asked me a question a long time ago! Who knew?

[D]o you have a problem with random voting[,] Iecerint?

It depends on what you mean by "random voting."

1. I endorse soon-as-possible (or sooner!), RVS-stage analysis. So, I endorse what people are saying I ("wrongly") did to Fate, even though I'm not convinced I did it at all this time.

2. I endorse voting in your first post, and I endorse keeping a vote down at all times thereafter barring extreme circumstances.

3. However, I do not like /random'd RVS votes, or for players to somehow claim that their RVS votes shouldn't be analyzed because they are "random." That is sort of not the point of RVS. so that is why this DTM business with Fate RVS being off the table rubs me the wrong way. But if you are a badmeta player and cannot be helped (as Fate apparently is, contrary to my experience), that is something else.

great comments. but i wasnt asking you that. and you shouldnt have insetered the puncuation because i was asking SK if he had a problem random voting for you.

[rajrhcpfreak]

since its my birthday right now i am going to post that im going to try to be plastered for the rest of the day. ill get back to you all on friday. thnx bye. yeppers!

Sir, if you post here again today, if you are not drunk I'm going to be very disappointed in you.

[rajrhcpfreak]

@God Theory.
Self note: Make a list of people who oppose the gods. Iso them. Scum are likely to try and screw with things they don't know about (ie, oppose coordinating worships). If the gods are determined to be independent from scum, then we should shoot the opposers with fire.

It's the same idea as Universe Mafia. Scum want to make unique game mechanics fearful for the town, so they won't use it. Game mechanics are put into games for a reason. In Universe mafia, it's teleporting and splitting up scum groups. Gods, well we'll find out.

just to clarify i dont opppse the gods im just not connected to any of them so i dont have a say in which one i will worship. if you are saying that anyone who are like me is scum then i think you are very wrong. i do agree though the mechanic should be used to help the town. i just need someone to help me make this choice.

On worship, i dont care how we do it. i can vote any way, how ever the town requests, or make all my vote completely transparent.

This is scummy. This is grovelling at its finest.

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@ Raj: I don't have a problem with voting Icerint. I do have a problem when my votes don't end up where I thought they'd be, even if they're random votes. Again, why're you freaking out over a random vote?

1st: are you serious? just because i have no clue what the mechanic does and i want to help the town im grovelling?

2nd: YOUR VOTE ISNT RANDOM IF YOU REALLY CARE WHERE IT SHOULD BE!! DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THE HYPROCRY IN THIS STATEMENT!!! and i would be doing this if it wasnt a vote on me. ask any of the people ive played with before.

[@DTM]
I'm saying you're spazzing out and attacking everything in sight, which isn't good scumhunting.

good posting

Saintkerrigan is a decent chance for scum too.

finally some common sense.

as far as worshipping goes I'd be happy to put my worship vote wherever it would be best used as my role is pretty much useless whether my gods have the worship or not, and I think it's probably likely that there are both town and scum linked to each set of gods so I'm not particularly worried about worshipping mine. I am a bit suspicious of some people blindly following ABR like he's the messiah

reposting this because i agree,

I really don't like this as a case. Although the fact raj reacted strongly to my attack on him despite the fact I didn't vote him is a bit town.

hes playing good mafia now. two people can disagree and be on the same side.
on me reacting so quickly is the fact that SK and now dramonic arnt letting up.
ooo, never mind. policy lynch is never bad. you probably should have reworded it.

As for worship, I'm happy to worship anyone who puts forth the best campaign. I am especially willing to worship any gods who offer me cookies and/or magical powers. Will continue to read and take notes from both ends until I'm all caught up.

another person confirming what i said earlier.

last notes:
Iecerint is pro town
tar's claim is interesting. is the lack of post also part of his borrowed time? there is almost no reason not to discredit him until we get to night 3.

im still sold on SK.
calling me grovelling about the whole worship thing but there are many people in my boat that have no clue want will help the town.

[rajrhcpfreak]

ok i guess ill worship Judea-Christian Angels
trust in ABR for the moment. but not happy that we have to follow him blindly for a while.

orlolan case is pretty strong for active lurking or active avoiding the game. needs more votes, explain himself, and claim.

and then ill,

unvote
vote:CryMeARiver

(ortolan)

[rajrhcpfreak]

ok there is a thousand things i can talk about. lets see:

ooba's list.
well its great that im not on the scum area. interesting that dram thinks its cool.
i am glad that he put his suspicions down so we can compare for it later.
over all ooba is playing very pro town.
hes also helping with the judeachristian angels vote problem.

on worship.
i did vote for the angels like i said i would.

snow bunny and tar claiming kills.
scum gambit on either of them? tar is making alot of gambits so leaning towards picking snow bunny as scum if i had to choose between the two. but if tar survives past night 3 then he will get first place.

SK dying.


not knowning the alignment just yet.
very unfortunate because we might have some leads if we knew that one of them were scum.

no lynch.
it would be nice to figure out why there was a no lynch.

mina in limbo.
im giving her a pass for now. no need to pull the plug when she can give us insight on what she knows.

spyrex's death.
well in his ISO 55, he tries to direct the sk/vig ironicly he dies by that person. i had a scum feel on him but it might have been because of the other game that we were playing at teh exact same time. both of us are dead now. but what was very wierd was how spyrex ignored me the whole game. marks me as very scummy.

dramonic bandwagon.
i support it. i will join later. but i think we need to discuss more before we even get close to ending the day.

DTM: i thought she was scum. then town. then scum. now she is leaning town again.


thats what i have now. i hope to post a little more frequently.

[edit before post]
Darkstalker.
top of the ooba list and is wanting to kill someone that cant defend thierself.

vote: DarkStalker

[rajrhcpfreak]

im catching up kinda.
ive said this in other games, the sit messed me up.
i think i understand the item rule now, that took me an hour to understand.

Lottery: crucifix

some more insight will come later. but i needed to let you know that i am here and trying to help.

[rajrhcpfreak]

lets see let me post some of my thoughts.
Fate keeps bouncing around and makes it hard for me to read him.
Tar's claim sounds beleiveable except for the part where he says hes town. sounds like its a scum role.

lasty im guessing there is a big scum presance on the CMAR wagon.

[rajrhcpfreak]

not really wanting this claim, i think its a little early. but whatever floats your boats. oh i dont want to hold of the claim process so ill claim now before i go to bed.


Rolename: Doctor Frankenstein
God\Mortal: mortal
Any Worship Modifiers: nope
Worship vote N1: JCA
Worship vote N2: JCA
Faction (if any): im not associated with any gods.
Ability: gravesteal, i can take a role from the graveyard and remove it from the game. i also get that info, so im like a cornor. but i also once in the game can bring someone into the game and of course will get to have my own QT and talk with him when i use it.
N1 target: noone in the gave yard.
N2 target: BlazeRb
Ability (if your faction gets worship votes): no faction


just to clarify sometime tonight blazerb's role will be removed. and when i create my monster and bring a new person into the game i wont be able to gravesteal.

[rajrhcpfreak]

its proveable twice.
just wait until tomorrow and you will see the role missing.
i can do the monster once i can use my ability again. but i would perfer to bring a confirmed town later in the game.

[rajrhcpfreak]

raj: First of all, I don't think your ability will even go through tonight. Second of all, Unraveled from the Wheel is not dead. It's simply gone. You can't bring back Blaze. And even if you could, I don't know why you'd bring him back instead of Spy.

i only bring new people into the game. from the replacement list. i think that it was one of the reasons the mod wanted 5 replacements before the game even started.
my gravesteal ability just findouts out the ability of the dead and removes them from the game permanently. and i checked earlier and since my action happened last night it is still going through.

[rajrhcpfreak]

Care to answer why you didn't want to vote Dramonic because of claims of being cautious about getting to a lynch, but in the same post you did place a vote on someone who actually had more votes than Dramonic?

cautiousness came from dramonic acting a little scummy and me just having my eye on him. my vote ended up being placed because of the actual scummy habbits of DarkStalker. i thought that DS actually did deserve my vote where Dramonic deserved an FOS.
i worded it weirdly i know. but i stand by my vote.

Tar's claim sounds beleiveable except for the part where he says hes town. sounds like its a scum role.

So you believe Tar's claim, but that makes you think he's scum. Kay.

lasty im guessing there is a big scum presance on the CMAR wagon.

For that to be true I'm guessing you see CMAR as town. Why?

Top 3 scums and why plz.

1: well kinetic makings roles (copying) from previous games and giving them to their creator is possible since i got a simular mechanic in my role (brining a player into the game from freaktown). just because tar has an ability doesnt mean its for good. i kinda buy the choseing the player and then getting the wildcard role. but it seams all too convient for him to not die now that the block happened. his participation and helpfulness in the game is very valuable in the game.

2: dont really think CMAR is town. just alot of bussing and bad reasoning on the CMAR wagon.

3: 3 scum...
DarkStalker
dramonic
DTMaster
Tarhalindur* still dont know where i stand on him.
Mina
Iecerint (gets an honorable mention for samlessly bandwagoning)


we keep saying that there is probably a big group of scum so might as well have a big list.


lastly, really ice? no good reason. i prolly deserve it but with a role thats very proveable i would atleast think that i would be allowed to live til night so you can see.

on JCA voting. i again dont care who gets the votes. im sure both sides gets advantages so i kept voting the same way so i wouldnt forget. if there is a request for a god to get more votes then tell me now and ill vote that way.

[rajrhcpfreak]

im celebrating my country's independance all weekend so im posting between drinking to let you all know that i am worshiping the GOO this night by request.

on my role check out the first post now. i confirmed to the mod that i recieved his role and he was put into the graveyard.

[rajrhcpfreak]

since people are pretty curious i guess i can give you this info. prolly should have posted it before he was moved into the gaveyard to confirm myself even more.

but here it is:
Thor, the Mighty

his rapid ability is:
Cover Action: a player's actions cannot be redirected while Thor covers them. Thor may change the target of this ability once per day.
Returning: may call Mjonir to return to him once per game if he has granted it to another player. Mjonir is removed from its current player or returned to the game, and Thor reacquires this item.

his passive ability is:
Collateral Damage: votes, actions, and abilities also effect the player above and below his target on the player list as long as he carries Mjonir.
Norse God: he receives all the benefits of being a Norse God.
Runed: he has full access to Yggdrasil in a QT thread

Sentient Hammer Mjonir:
The current bearer of this item can give it to another. This ability does not count toward your one ability per day. The bearer's abilities, votes, and actions cannot be redirected. Only a god can wield this weapon. If the bearer of this item dies, this item does not drop to the ground and is instead removed from the game.

he was pro town.

[rajrhcpfreak]

AdumbroDeus, did i see that correctly? you cant be killed except for your passive ability. does that include lynches?

[rajrhcpfreak]

i keep looking at the role i got, and nowhere in the role did it say too human. if i was faking it why would i leave that part out on BlazeRb's role.

i said that under passive that "this character receives all the benefits of being a Norse God." thats what was said in the role.

[rajrhcpfreak]

messaged the mod to get clarification why Too Human is left off what i got, and essentially its the source (the video game) but not the power.

Might Orbots is doing well so i will add so some of these/comment on them

@ooba, the too human bit we got from the mod about BlazezRb on his flip would have been his universe rather than the actual ability I think. That'd match the Stargate for SaintKerrigan and Sandman for SpyreX for example. Given what I can tell from the flavor of the game I could see Thor not having that passive ability (he was mostly cybernetic.) Your character in particular is the one that is too human in the game based on the description.

@Iecerint, rajrhpcfreak probably did use the ability he's described on BlazezRb's corpse once it hit the graveyard (given that we know it was there for a time and it got removed.) I'm inclined to think that he's giving essentially true information about it as there's no good reason for him to be lying and he's giving the sort of information that I expect to get from my autopsy ability which should be the same thing except that apparently it happens at a different stage of the death cycle (mine works before they get to the graveyard.)

@Albert B. Rampage, it wasn't rajrhpcfreak that said he had a different win condition than the rest of us that was Xite91 (who says they don't have access to it yet if memory serves.) rajrhpcfreak is a good vote now because they're not doing anything that helps the town that I can see. Previously there was also some fishiness about the claim but that seems to add up now except that there's no reason I can think of for it to take town so long to get around to sharing the coroner stuff with the rest of us when there was clearly confusion about what BlazezRb's abilities and hammer were doing.

@rajrhcpfreak, why didn't you share that information about BlazezRb right away? Why make it look like you were going to be getting it later?

@DarkStalker, I said it before but I'll say it again here. Leaving rajrhcpfreak alive on the grounds that after a recruit Albert B. Rampage can use his census ability to tell what the alignment of the replacement has to be is a poor idea...

+ooba, yes too human is the universe, is there a reason for people to post the universe when if you are a god then you are from the same universe as the other gods in your area.

+iec, nothing more to add than the fact that i have no reason to lie about my ability. anyone that thinks im lying about it is a moron and anyone who is picking out the symantic of the too human is nitpicking which is usually a scum tell or bad town play usually a sign of tunneling. would you rather i copy the role i got straight from the mod so i can get modkilled?

+ABR, yeah im pretty sure i didnt say i had a different win condition so please stop adding that in your arguements. on the arguements im not helping, i am being completely open about my investigation and willing to help the town.

@mighty, why not? i was lazy for one. i wasnt for a claim so i was just claiming what i needed. actually just waiting for someone to ask. i had it the whole morning but it wasnt going into the graveyard until i released it. i guess after i ran my examinations on the body i stole. since this was my first role i was able to get i didnt know when it was going to show up for the town to see. since i had until the end of the day to release it i assumed that it would show up then. apparently i was wrong.

+DS, i love the idea of proving myself but thats just because i get a few more nights. it might be a poor idea of only keeping me around for that reason, but if there is someone scummier then wouldnt it make sense to pick that person and allow me to prove myself.


other thoughts there are alot of late joiners that are scum busing. but you all can deal with that after i die.

[rajrhcpfreak]

wow the scummy people on my list.
they just keep piling on. if anyone who has a brain look at the votes and the reasoning for voting for me again and weight it out aginst the possibility of my power and having a confirmed good after we check it.
nothing else to say, ive responded to everything already.

[rajrhcpfreak]

i didnt think claiming doctor was necessary. i thought that my provable bringing someone into the game would have given more more mileage. apparently it didnt.
great job town.

[rajrhcpfreak]

Lastly, your role had a hell of a chance since ABR was bluffing out his ass. His census ability was a one-shot, he couldn't confirm new players joining as scum or town through it, and I put enough "entry" players as scum or town that just being an entry player shouldn't make you scummy.

IMHO town was lucky here and i was out played by ABR. i think i should give him props here.

in the end i was ready to take my role another day get another player for the mafia and to give our side a little longer to take out power roles. even if ABR had that ability. in the end he was better to convince the town that there was no need to wait that killing me now would be better than confirming me.

[rajrhcpfreak]

I've been thinking about it, and honestly, its probably better if you use your true role name in any fake claims. Go ahead, if you want, and develop a list of abilities and I can make a new "fakeclaim" for your character if you want it.

i was told this soon after i got my role. since i was told that i should use my real role name i thought that there was some kind of role cop in the game and that omitting that i was dr frankenstein would dig me in a hole if/when i claimed. why i didnt say sonic screwdriver scan? it sounded it made up already, i wouldnt have bought the claim if i was town.

also in the end a gravedig ability in a partial no real game, is very town, i had this discussion with roland earlier and he agreed. bringing in a player in the game also sounds like it would almost break the game in the mafias favor. thats why i thought that being completely honest about my role and confirming it would be more helpful.