Earth's Struggle - Game Over!

[Rena]

/confirm

[Rena]

Yeah, I'm scum, you've caught me [/joke]. Seriously, lynch the scum (CSL) so we can move on.

Town wouldn't feel the need to put the joke tags, so why would you?

Vote: Nobody Special

because of his reaction to DGB.

[Rena]

CSL, why are scum more likelier to vote-hop in the RVS than town?

Adrien, do you have anything to contribute to the game now that your laptop is running at full capacity again?

[Rena]

CSL, what makes you think that the RVS is over? Why do you have the authority to announce it officially over? Don't you think that the lines between RVS and D1 are too closely blurred for the RVS to be "clearly over" in a matter of three pages?

DGB, it seems you aren't voting right now... Why is that?

Hayl, it seems you forgot to count Zazie's last vote... or am I too used to conventional games, and people's abilities are messing it up?

[Rena]

Speculating about BM is useless. Cut it out unless you smell scum. It's better for all of us that way, believe me.

@Toogeloo: I hate running footwork for people, but here's a general case on NS.
Refusal to leave the RVS.
Surprised after being attacked for blatantly scummy behavior.
Asking idiotic questions...
...then expecting them to be answered.

And now that I've gone through all that trouble, I expect a vote for NS, a thank you, and actual participation in this game from now on.
Thank you.

[Rena]

Diginova and Adrien have both promised rereads. Depending on how soon this happens, one or both may be scum.

CSL is town.

If Toogeloo is scum, then DGB probably is too.

If NS is scum, Sharky probably is too.

Gut town read on TheLonging.
Gut scum read on Ani.



Will explain all of that tomorrow when I have more time.

[Rena]

Toogeloo is an interesting read for me. On one hand, I don't like the condensending attitude that he seems to have in a lot his points, and I certainly don't like how he said he didn't understand the NS case and promptly called it crap, But his vote on Chronopie is a good one (especially since all Chrono could do in response was rolefish). Overall, I'm leaning town.

CSL is town because I've never seen his play this protown, and I really don't like Adrien + NS's recent votehop onto him.

Adrien's catchup post provides an OK point, just not one I find myself agreeing with. Don't like how he decided to comment on a minimum amount of subject matter, though. Don't like the "This vote is subject to change, but I think this is the way to go. CSL could change my mind with a nice explanation, but this is where it's staying for now.", either.

NS's play hasn't changed much, it's just continued mostly the same way. He's starting to look like vigbait to me.

Sharky is his scumbuddies with him because of the small episode of blatantly tunneling, then completely backing off and whispering suspicion of Chrono.

---

Waiting for Zazie, Alamaster, diginova, GhostWriter, MPR, Stabuck, and Mae to start posting. We have plenty of lurkers, it seems >.>

NS, what's so special about Adrien's tell? Did DGB do anything recently to make you pull your vote off her?

[Rena]

BM, mind giving other reasons for that vote? I don't really like meta based off of one newbie game, and there is enough on NS at this point where I'm sure you can come up with something more.

AdumbroDues is scum. I don't like how he lurked for such a long period of time, and then when he finally did decide to post, he posted about a neutral subject (his meta). A question for you: what would two scummy responses for your question asked at the bottom of post 339/340? Also, if questions are powerful, then why aren't you asking more of them?

TheLonging's past few posts have been terrible. =/. Useless and contentless comments are not what I like.

Zazie, I'm not claiming anything. If I wanted you to know who I was, I'd tell you.

Ani: Empty threats and empty promises help me none.

[Rena]

Going back to an old post:

Waiting for

Zazie

,

Alamaster

,

diginova

, GhostWriter,

MPR

,

Stabuck

, and Mae to start posting. We have plenty of lurkers, it seems >.>

This still needs to happen.



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Dear Goddess Hayl,

Nobody Special (5) - Rena, DrippingGoofBall, Chronopie, CSL, Sharkfinn, ???

Animorpherv (1) - Zazie, Ani

Are these two votecounts correct? If so,
Vote for Mayor: Toogeloo

They are correct, sweetie. ~ Hayl

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MPR, while you're rereading, be sure to give an opinion of the NS and Toogeloo wagons and who is most likely to be scum on either of them.

[Rena]

Chronopie, Sharkfinn, AlmasterGM, Midnight's Sorrow, MehPlusRawr, AdumbroDeus

Tomorrow I will find the town out of the above list!

Tonight I will sleep!

[Rena]

As promised:

Chronopie - NOT TOWN
His most passionate posting takes place during a jester discussion. He jumped on the lynchwagon with an RVS reason when it was nowhere near deadline. The only comments he makes about the wagon he is a part of is "NS, claim" then calls him town after the hammer's been cast and comments that his role is similar to NS's, and tries to use that to gain townpoints here, even after he already brought up the possibility of scum having fakeclaims here. The fact that he is more concerned with defending himself than actually finding scum doesn't help his case either. On top of that, the only resemblence of scumhunting he's done this whole game is asking MPR who the scum were when he hadn't even commented on that himself... So, my hunt for townies continues.

Sharkfinn - NOT TOWN
After a cursory ISO read, I see why Zazie is so suspicious of him >.>. He waffles on NS, flip flops on DGB, makes a weird FoS/prod on Chrono, waffles on a claimed jester, and promises to reread and never delivers.

The waffling, combined with ISO 5 is supicious because it shows a scumShark keeping his options open by not announcing any strong scum/town reads, and it also shows a reluctance to get himself involved in any polarizing issues. The flip-flopping on DGB is suspicious especially with NS's town flip. He originally calls DGB scum, then, without any explanation or significant change in DGB's behavior, he declares her psuedo-confirmed town and himself willing to follow her wherever she might go because "she's been protown and because she's in heaven". This is doubly suspicious based on the status of the NS wagon, which had been gaining a considerable amount of momentum at this time. I will add that his sudden town read seems to be due to the fact that she was in heaven, but I don't see why anyone in their right minds would distrust their own scum reads due to OP flavor... I find the Chrono FoS/Prod scummy because it seems to be suggesting that a scumbuddy post more while distancing just a tiny bit. This is because he didn't put a vote down even though he supposedly just got done rereading, and because he was quick to discount his own case on Chrono with the "I know this is blatant hypocrisy, but" comment. The waffling about Ani is horrible, honestly. He needs a reread to figure out that lynching a jester is bad because lynching one is essentially no lynching on day one and thus doesn't advance the town wincon at all? I'm not buying it at all.

The reread promises are really what I think dooms Sharky the most, though. Let's look at all the times he's read the game:

Re-reading made me begin to rethink my previous suspicions.

Okay, so I've re-read this game for info on the levels

I'll do a readthrough on a player tonight.

Alright, so if he's telling the truth, then he's reread the game three times in his 18 posts. And still he can't remember who he's voting for. And still he can't even remember whether DGB is a guy or a girl. And his reasons for voting his #1 suspect are:

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Nobody's Special

mainly, because I trust DGB for the reasons below.

>.>

Vote: SharkFinn

TOMORROW: AlmasterGM, Midnight's Sorrow, MehPlusRawr, AdumbroDeus


Nikanor calling DGB out for lurking is odd, considering what slot he's coming from.

PREVIEW EDIT: Oooh, Sharky's posting. I'll look at that now, I suppose.

[Rena]

Nah, tomorrow. It's simply too long for Rena's sleepy mind.

[Rena]

@Shark: The problem is that you've reread the game twice already, and you still have absolutely nothing new to contribute to it. That being said, I think the majority of your response to Zazie was protown. I'll let Zazie respond first before explaining further.

@Chrono: You'd probably redeem yourself more in my eyes if you actually refuted the case instead of just pointing at it and saying it's wrong...

[Rena]

Togeloo, the case on NS was more based on his reactions to pressure than anything.

Also, to clarify: you thought NS yesterday was an easy lynch, but Chronopie today isn't?

[Rena]

So, is it safe to assume that you believe if a lynch is too easy, then the lynchee is probable town?

Likewise, if a lynch is difficult to push through, then the lynchee is probably scum?

[Rena]

Saying a lynch is difficult to pass however is scum because an easier lynch is town, that's a slippery slope.

It may be possible some town don't see a person as scummy in the same way, or that scum is buddying up, or defending town. Just because it's easier to lynch a townie on the first couple days, doesn't mean it's harder to lynch scum, it's just less likely since they are informed and manipulative.

Could you reword the bolded? I'm not really understanding what you're trying to say there.

[Rena]

Starbuck... you aren't suspicious of DGB for the WAY she pushed NS, but simply because of the fact that she was wrong and she usually isn't?

Chrono, did you buy that doublevoting ability?

[Rena]

Alamaster GM - NOT TOWN

I'm having a hard time reading him.

His pattern of play is certainly scummy; he active lurks for a while, posts something decent, then goes back to active lurking again. His position on Maemuki is also suspicious, since her lack of pretty much any posting whatsoever made her a pretty easy target to take potshots at. He also pulled the "ALL MAJOR BANDWGONS ARE TOWN" trick in ISO 9 that makes me cringe, and then votes for NS later during the whole jester business. Meta from Trader Mafia also shows a considerably more protown Alamaster...

Midnight's Sorrow - NULL

MS's alignment will be discovered by wagon analysis and interactions with other people because he is freaking impossible to read.

[Rena]

MPR - TOWN

I like his earlier vote on Starbuck, and his vote on Shark. His NS vote was reasonably more justified then some other fellow wagoners as well...

Yes, he's still been chronic lurking, not making a whole lot of sense, generally being useless, and trying to clear himself by describing his own scum meta... but this is an improvement from the MPR I know...

[Rena]

Dear Goddess Hayl: won't you please prod our sleeping friend AdumbroDues?

[Rena]

AdumbroDeus - NOT TOWN

The link to Smash Boards is useless for those of us who don't play on Smash Boards, by the way. Could you at least give me the titles of some of the games you've been in?

AdumbroDues missed the entire NS wagon, essentially; the only comment he actually provided was "NS is obvscum" and he decided to happily hop on the bandwagon with an utter lack of an explanation. This is after he's been pushing Togeloo the entire game day (he even pushes Toogeloo in his NS voting post), and after it was apparent the NS wagon was most likely going to be the lynch. He's also guilty of a bit of IIoA/fluff posting, I see.

[Rena]

I promise my posting style will go back to normal once I get home from work <3

[Rena]

Chrono, if you're a doublevoter, and you've had this power since the beginning of the game... then why would you say this?

No,

I am a mere Human.

I invented the toilet (don't laugh--where would

you

be without a toilet?).

I sadly have no Special Abilities nor do I have any redeeming qualities.

The bolded bit match mine. and the unique flavour seems similarly Haylen-esqe.

[Rena]

Unvote, Vote: CSL

DGB isn't getting lynched today...

[Rena]

CSL, could we have some flavor with that?

[Rena]

CSL is town... There's no way in hell scum would claim no flavor VT after the NS lynch...

Unvote, Vote: Starbuck

We have five days, we can do this.

[Rena]

Yeah, but it unsettles me that the CSL wagoners posted a little more than twice as much as the DGB wagoners in between Haylen's last two votecounts.

Plus DGB is town with abilities that would kind of suck to do without...

Gah, who to wagon, who to wagon? I wouldn't mind an MS wagon, but I'd like an AdumbroDues wagon, a you wagon, or a Sharky wagon a hell of a lot more. You know, I should do some ISOing tomorrow...

[Rena]

Vezo, why didn't you unvote in one of your last two posts?

Starbuck just claimed Rolecop who investigated DGB last night and came up with nothing. CSL is NOT the lynch for today.

[Rena]

Agree: I want to know

#964 suggests that everyone should have the above in their next posts. Although, it would be nice if Vezok actually told us what he'd be able to find out if he did this, why he needs Hayl's permission to do it, and why he needs a majority of us to post that.

[Rena]

Starbuck, do you agree or disagree?

[Rena]

Starbuck, do you agree or disagree?

with?

...with allowing vezok to find out his information, whatever it is.

[Rena]

There was the agreehammer.

Now, we wait for Hayl.

And yeah... this better be good.

[Rena]

Hayl, could we have an extension? Starbuck has essentially claimed cop with a guilty on DGB all while on V/LA.

Vezok... >.>

[Rena]

Stabuck, you said you submitted DGB's name under an ability to find out her powers.

This sounds like rolecop, no?

And... you said that you came up with nothing, even though DGB claimed Tech Tree Santa Claus.

Meaning that DGB is lying, meaning that the claim was fake, meaning that she's guilty.

Right?

So, your claim versus DGB's claim is equivalent to a cop with a claimed guilty. And if not, then why did you claim?

[Rena]

Oh dear.

Imitate is an ability that only allows you to learn

Level One

abilities; in other words, abilities that are from the first level of the Tech tree. What DGB claimed to have was a natural/factional ability which wouldn't be affected by Imitate.

If Hayl doesn't get in here soon and grant us that deadline extension, I'll switch my vote to DGB since it's the only vote I can get.

[Rena]

Imitate is an ability that only allows you to learn Level One abilities; in other words, abilities that are from the first level of the Tech tree. What DGB claimed to have was a natural/factional ability which wouldn't be affected by Imitate.

Never said DGB claimed a Tech Tree ability... In fact, I said the OPPOSITE.

Alamaster, what do you think I have to contribute to the conversation? I'm playing under Haylen's modding account for a reason, I'm not exactly supposed to out myself, you know.

[Rena]

Vote: Midnight's Sorrow

Why would we hammer DGB when we might be having a DEADLINE EXTENSION coming up? I'll only hammer DGB if 10 people don't message Hayl saying they want a deadline extension...

Alamaster, where's your vote?

[Rena]

IF YOU WANT SOMEONE TO HAMMER DGB EARLY THEN WHY DON'T YOU TRY PROVIDING A CASE AS OPPOSED TO JUST TELLING PEOPLE TO AND EXPECTING THEM TO FOLLOW YOU?

[Rena]

No, L-2.

[Rena]

Looks like it.

[Rena]

Bright side: This flip will tell us a lot about who is who.

Might as well get started.
If MS flips scum, who's town? Who's scum?
If MS flips town, who's town? Who's scum?

[Rena]

Hmm... If MS flips town, I'm guessing MPR/Shark/Chrono as scum.
If MS flips scum, Alamaster/Vezok/CSL are scum.

[Rena]

Hmm... If MS flips town, I'm guessing MPR/Shark/Chrono as scum.
If MS flips scum, Alamaster/Vezok/CSL are scum.

These reads are terrible. I've been saying MS is scum ALL day, but if he flips scum I'm scum?

What?

You haven't been voting for him though, have you? You gave verbal support to the MS wagon, but you never were on it. You never even attempted to make a case on him.

[Rena]

If Ghost was the only person in your opinion who provided a case on you, then why would you think he was scum?

[Rena]

Nik is definitely town because Alamaster parked his vote on then lurker-Maemuki all day D1 until the votehop to NS.

DGB is also town because of Alamaster's hesitation to switch over to the MS wagon. No partner of DGBscum would bus until necessary.

CSL or Vezok should die today, definitely.

[Rena]

DrippingGoofball 2{ZONEACE, CSL}
CSL 6{vezopiraka, Toogeloo, Ghostwriter, Sharkfinn, Nikanor, ???}

There's your votecount.

I don't like Shark's recent flipflopping on CSL. First, he calls him town for most of the day yesterday. Then, when the MS wagon begins to form, he calls CSL scum with MS. Today, he's voting CSL without a though, even though the person he said CSL was scum with flipped town. His behavior today also completely contridicts all of his "I'm a passive person", and it certainly contridicts his self-described playstyle (found in ISO #9).

We need to slow down a bit. There's more to get out of this day than just a CSL lynch.

[Rena]

Shit.

I've been busy.

Post later.

[Rena]

This game is hilarious >_> ... I don't think I have seen a worse display of actual scum hunting ever. Let's train that guy! Now let's train this guy! Now that guy over there! Where will the Wheel o' Trains stop today?!

Oh thank god... I was beginning to think I was alone in that sentiment >_>

I put my vote on AdumbroDeus. I can't recall a thing he said all game which means he's probably the most town person here >_>

How does that make him town?

Because everyone else has been playing with idiocy which is anti-town.

Toogeloo, in what way is this helping? I see no scumhunting. I just see fluff.

[Rena]

If you're looking for rawrscum, look for shameless lurking, ignoring questions, and being useless as opposed to accusing random people of being scum with slightly-higher-than-random-accuracy. Plus, stop referencing ongoing games.

Passive uselessism is a good wagon even if it's not scummy, which it is.

Yeah, I've been lurky this game because it's been difficult to follow. It keeps growing absurd lengths and not making sense. Expecting tech tree abilities when the game started didn't help, either. We should lynch Vezo, instead.

Oooh. I like this lynch. Not as much as I'd like a Shark lynch, but I like this lynch.

[Rena]

MPR, claimtime.

[Rena]

vezok, what are you talking about?

[Rena]

someone used a power on MPR to increase the necessary votes to 9 to lynch.

No. Or else the number in brackets would be 8, not 7.

What do you think of vezok's attempted hammer?

[Rena]

And if MPR is town, then you must be scum!

[Rena]

Zazie's low activity has been site-wide, DGB. And a town read on Zazie early-game makes me think he's not the wagon for today...

But that Chrono wagon is a simply fantastic wagon, I must say.

Vote: Chronopie

[Rena]

Also, I wrote in my own choices in the QT, with specific instructions that they should over-ride whatever ZazieR secretly sent out.

Did Haylen say you could do this?

[Rena]

Picked up on this following current events.

Wont vote Zazier without a defense, if he arrives.

VOTE: Zazier

Yea, sending in choices w/o confirmation seems scummy. Also do you know who zazier picked? Don't have to say yet but if he flips scum, it maybe useful.

This needs further explanation. Weren't you wanting to see a defense first?

Yea, but then the point was brought up by Togeloo that Zazier's computer broke down, so chances of getting a defense from him are probably slim. If I see any indication that Zazier is active on the site, I'll retract vote til a defense is heard, but by glancing at some games mentioned, it'll be a while. Zazier sent in choices without even making an effort to discuss them. That isnt pro-town play.

It's easier to PM 3 town reads than it is to discuss them, especially when you don't have a working computer.

[Rena]

If you just did it, then Zazie's choices probably were still submitted.

...or maybe Zazie doesn't trust you and wanted to make sure that you didn't have sole control over the choices anymore.


We aren't lynching Zazie until he comes back from his V/LA, or if some damn convinving evidence comes along about his play in this topic.

[Rena]

God damn it.

I just remembered that Chrono is a doublevoter, which means that Shark's vote for Zazie was the hammer, meaning that this is twilight. If Chrono forgot, then DGB, I need you to unvote as soon as you see this. I mean, don't you feel just a little bit POWERLESS since you aren't in Heaven? And don't you think Zazie targeting you could've been an effort to bring you back up to the top, and give you some goodies? I mean, everyone knows that you cannot choose anybody in Heaven to receive the goodies because people in heaven have no use for them, but you got moved down to Earth, so doesn't that change things a bit? Zazie is town. So I decree. I may not be 100% positive on this, but I'm pretty damn sure about it.

[Rena]

Good.

Unvote, Vote: SharkFinn

Now, let's lynch scum, okay?

[Rena]

DGB, he said shark was his first choice. So, vote shark.

[Rena]

Sharkfinn.

[Rena]

Chrono, I guess I don't understand why you're trying to get a massclaim started right now. The only people who haven't claimed is Zach, Toogeloo, and I. If there's one of us you want to know about, you should probably form a case and push it instead of just calling us scum...

I wouldn't mind lynching vezok right now because of his last little jump.

[Rena]

Everyone should town-vote Toog during the twilight even if it seems hopeless. There's probably 3 scum + an SK left.

DGB and Baby Spice are confirmed town.
Toog is town.

Meaning everyone else is scum.

[Rena]

3 scum, 1 SK.

Although I can't see Zach as scum.

So maybe 2 scum...? Which would mean a scumteam of 4 in a game starting with 20?

[Rena]

sweet.

[Rena]

Night 2, I recieved an ability that allowed me to read all town quicktopics. Haylen sent me a link to Heaven. As a result, Baby and DGB are town. As to seeming "too sure" of Toog's alignment, I've had a town read on Toogeloo for a while now. Why do you think that would change?

Vote: Vezokpiraka

[Rena]

And I've breadcrumbed that ability to DGB already, when she tried to lynch Zazie.

[Rena]

Why do you ask?

[Rena]

Invisible Ink and a Crystal Mirror.

[Rena]

Zach, the person playing behind this account isn't Haylen...

[Rena]

Anyways, the reason why I'm able to read town quicktopics is because of an ability that I unlocked on N2. That's a FACTIONAL ability, not a TECH TREE ABILITY.

My FACTIONAL ability is to visit one person each night in order to try to remember an ability that I've lost since being attacked. Visiting Nikanor N2 gave me enhanced senses, which allowed me to hear talking between town players.

[Rena]

But yeah, just wanted to clear that up.

See you guys on Monday.

[Rena]

This game is going along quite interestingly.

[Rena]

Vote: Vezok

[Rena]

Veto increases the number it takes to lynch a person by 1, I think.

DGB or Baby, do your roles have anything to do with Haylen (i.e. a friend of Haylen, etc.).
If so, I need to know so I can target you tonight. I have an idea.

[Rena]

I don't think so.

I haven't targeted her, if that's what you're asking.

[Rena]

No.

[Rena]

Vote: No Lynch

Forgot Baby didn't have a vote.

[Rena]

Blink is the best ability ever.