Of Gods And Men (GAME OVER!)

[Xite91]

Okay, Obviously a lot has gone on.
I'm taking notes and will give results as soon as i go through all 59 pages

[Xite91]

Congratulations, people, this is the first time i've managed to be bored reading a mafia game.
with all the white noise and repetitive shit in the beginning I kind of skipped the middle (pages uh 10-58ish?)
If there's anything actually important there can someone fill me in? thanks!

Also how exactly is the voting shifted at the moment? is it still down two, or otherwise?

Just to let everyone know now, I'm pointing my

Fos at Fate

for seemingly obvious reasons, but since it IS mafia, I guess I can explain.

1)His posts never REALLY say anything, he seems to be trying to play it off as just bad townplay, but i feel he's much smarter than that. So did a lot of people early game, it seems. But seriously, guys, go back and read his posts, and know that almost nothing he says has any concrete ANYTHING in it. It's talk, vote, now FOLLOW MY WAGON!!!

2)Then there's the lurk lurk lurk ohai! random post that's meant to look like something, again back to point one on that.

3)

I know something you don't.

Though that's only with regards to your alignment, I know something else more than you, but then again don't we all?

This. WTF?

If you have useful info then share it, if you have or have given EXTREMELY valid reason why not, then please fill me in. I will admit my mistakes

4) I'm done with reasons, you want reasons, read his posts, there's reason enough and more in them.

Now, what's all this about the wagon on blaze? o.0

Oh yeah and;

CMAR still isn't reading the thread.

Xite, you need to tell us why you're apparently unlynchable.

I have no fucking clue, which is actually part of what my role says.

Second, please tell me no one pushed for a mass role claim and there were people that were actually convinced?? PRETTY PLEASE?

[Xite91]

oh yeah, I meant to say that as soon as I know the voting situation, my vote will be on what's meant to be fate

[Xite91]

One huge thing we'd love for you to clear up -- your slot was lynched D1. The lynch didn't happen. Then your slot's originator was replaced, but the replacement never posted and again was replaced (by you).

So, to start -- why are you still alive? Is it something you did, or something someone else did?

Since I have no clue, it probably was something someone else did, but don't ask me who, there's a limit to my knowledge

Tons of stuff has happened. I can sympathize with you, but you should probably at least skim and read the major "case" posts.

In the process of skimming, remember I have to catch up on a 60 page game though, and be a little patient with me.

1)His posts never REALLY say anything, he seems to be trying to play it off as just bad townplay, but i feel he's much smarter than that. So did a lot of people early game, it seems. But seriously, guys, go back and read his posts, and know that almost nothing he says has any concrete ANYTHING in it. It's talk, vote, now FOLLOW MY WAGON!!!

Actually, he

is

saying concrete things. But maybe we're not reading the same game.
Oh, right. We're not reading the same game because you're not reading the game at all.

Good sir, I am trying to read the game, but posts like this are useless. This is pretty much what I mean by no content tbh.
You're not really adding anything to the game, youre not pointing out anything where he has posted actual content, youre just making a statement that does not need to be said. This is why we're at over 60 pages and clusterfucked, because a lot pf people are doing the same thing.
The reason I went after fate though, is because he does that^ more than most
And then points out the I know something you don't know, lalalala la la
But what is this something he knows?
and like I said, I am skimming so I may have missed him explaining this, so if I have please enlighten me and I will admit i'm wrong, simple as that. But it seems more like everyone just let that one go, even though he said

it in two different posts

EBWOP: SpyreX was responsible for the funky voting, and he's dead. So voting Fate is voting Fate.

Alright awesome

Vote: Fate

[Xite91]

It could have something to do with passive vs reactive vs ect roles

[Xite91]

before things get out of hand

Unvote

I am deeply sorry about my accusations Fate, even still I would love to lynch you buy after reading it has become nothing but a policy lynch to me.
a my findings post is coming shortly.

[Xite91]

My next series of posts will be on each player as I see fit.
I will try to post them in order of who I see is the scummiest but on rereads I might change my mind and will say so.
That being said, this post will be about:

ABR

1) Useless chatter
a)Everyone is guilty, but the way you do it is kind of pissing me off.
b)What was all of this about how many scum do you think there are? Your reason wasn't good enough, please give me the real one.

2) Worship WTF???
a) Why didnt you like norse gods at first?
b)

I'm voting you Iecerint because you just claimed Norse God out of the blue. I think it's pretty anti-town and deserves a vote.

A little jumpy on the whole norse god thing aren't we?
Does it not help you?
A lot of people were saying who their vote would be for not just him.
And did you say you didnt want people to show their alignment because you didnt want to show yours?
c)

Tomorrow (Day 3) we worship Norse

Whatever just don't worship Old Gods or Norse

you posted these one right after another.
Why the change in heart?

3) The plan
What the hell is this plan?

4) Role-claim
a)How come people (or was it one person the whole time? Have to go back and do a reread for that one) asking for a role claim never asked for one from him? Honestly, I think that's more important than anyone that had one asked for.
b)Why did you keep asking for everyone to unquestioningly follow you? I don't like that one bit.
c)Again a question on the norse gods. Why are we not voting for them? (dont give me a i don't wanna know)
d)This would also clear up why you thought your role said we were voting people and not gods.

Vote: ABR

Maybe if we get him to L-2 people will actually push for a role-claim

[Xite91]

Next, I know I said I would base each post on a person, but I would like to give my theory on setup real quick.
So here's my math
25 people in abr's claim
4 neutrals
6 scum
15 town
5 alignments.
3 unconfirmed people have died.
so we can add 3 points to the groups up top.

I added them like this
16 town
4 neutrals
8 scum
5 alignments.

My idea for alignments is simple. Town, Norse, GOO, Egyptian, And JC
Now if you look, everything else is divisible by 4 (so take town out of the equation)
which means 1 neutral per alignment, and 2 scum per alignment

I think that we're actually dealing with 4 teams of 2 scum. (which could explain how so many people died last night)

That being said, I also think we're dealing with about 4 gods (the neutrals)

Think of it this way, In greek mythology, and i think a few others, gods had no use for men except 2 things. 1 to be worshiped, without this, they did not exist. 2 to fuck with and treat like play things for their amusement.
My idea of who the four gods could be are on read-through are 4 of the following
ABR
Parama
SX
Blaze
Fate
Faraday

I'm pretty sure town's point in all of this is to rebel and kill all of the gods AND scum...

[Xite91]

I'll do my posts on everyone else if they become scummier to me, otherwise it's just a waste of time for me and everyone else here

2. I'm guessing his power is shifted to one god a day, maybe he is killed if Old Gods or Norse is the worship majority today, but egyptians on D3. Only guessing

3. Quote plz.

2) That's why I'm asking for a role claim. It will clear a lot up for me, and hopefully everyone else too.

3)

O.K. no one pro-town should target me tonight or my plan might fail

ABR, please give your plan and lets move forward. PLEASE.

Find someone the majority agrees to lynch and we'll move to the next phase of my plan...

I love it when a plan comes together

@Xite - MO investigated Iec and hes also a god, you should add that to your list.

Okay, must have missed that, but will do.

[Xite91]

This just occurred to me... maybe scum are gods too o.0

Preview edit: Well... that makes ^ a more accurate idea then.
Eh, this is my first game with more than 12 people, so it seems high to me

[Xite91]

Isn't that even more reason to vote him?

[Xite91]

CMAR, how are we sure we'll get the same results voting the same people every time?

[Xite91]

CMAR, how are we sure we'll get the same results voting the same people every time?

Oh, IDK, I just like it when people vote the Old Guys personally

Not sure whether to laugh or to as if this has to do with what will help you.
You do seem to push the old ones quite a bit... doesnt seem like just a oh i like it type of thing.

I have information suggesting the Endless are town oriented.

What information?

Honestly, looking at you in ISO makes me want to shoot either you or myself. Too bad I really don't like ABR's play or I might call you out on your active lurking.

[Xite91]

The only thing with ABR is that his ability appears pro-town. I guess it also keeps track of the cult, or he could just be lying about it, but ye know. I doubt it.

Eve eating from the tree sounded pro-town at the time, but ye know.

[Xite91]

I'd say ABR, but I'd like to hear what he has to say tomorrow.
Right now, I'd say Parama, but that's based on a first read through and my scumdar, so that's up to you guys.

[Xite91]

Parama, mind sharing those reasons?

[Xite91]

Parama, mind sharing those reasons?

Well I'm a claimed investigative role for one

I didn't see it on my read though, or in your ISO, i even just went back and re-checked... someone mind telling me where?

[Xite91]

more useful to who though? I never saw a clarification there either

[Xite91]

Xmite81 (replaces FlipScythe (replaces Ortolan))

Lawls. Assuming this is supposed to be me.
I said, my vote won't be going anywhere as I'm not sure what each one does for me. I'll vote when I have better information.
So, you don't have to worry either way because I won't be opposing your JC angels vote

[Xite91]

It's okay on the name, didn't see it like that before so I figured it was your mistake, but still amusing.

No clue, but I'll ask

[Xite91]

Okay, so as far as I know, the replaced sent a vote yesterday, but I just found out that my vote counts as 0 so even if I do vote, it's pointless. Another good reason not to vote.

[Xite91]

@CryMeARiver, while it is true that Snow_Bunny's list is about twice as large as I'd like it to be I don't strongly object to anyone on it as a potential target. Also, for the record, are you claiming at this point that you can't be killed at night at this point? The last we seemed to get from you was that you were wrong about your kill immunity in some way but that you weren't lynchable today.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

Uhm, I'm two below CMAR on the list, could this have something to do with it considering the shift?

[Xite91]

@Xite91, with SpyreX gone you no longer have to worry about the vote shift for anything. As for CryMeARiver's claim to be unkillable, that came before ortolan failed to get killed by his lynch and has persisted since then. It shouldn't be related to you. I say this because I assume that it's a passive ability and I know that other passive abilities (i.e. talking in quick topics in particular) were not affected by the shift. Having said that it is curious that you weren't killed given that you don't have any reason to think it wouldn't be the case. Perhaps I'm missing something.

Also, to confirm, it's your worship vote that counts as 0, right? Not your normal vote. If ortolan did send in a vote do you know which Pantheon it was for?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

First, I was just making a suggestion based on Data, I'm two below CMAR and maybe it is not a passive ability, because I didn't get lynched and I have no idea why. Just something to consider.

Yup, my worship vote is zilch. My normal vote, as far as I know, is 1. I was told he did, but I was not told to which. It was zero then too, though. That's all I know

Haha, Nik I like that idea, but how would those to kill him if he's unkillable?

[Xite91]

EBWOP would those two

[Xite91]

@Xite91, yeah, I might have come across as overly negative to you there. I do appreciate your thinking about what might have happened as you claim not to know. I just don't think that explanation is overly likely in this case for the reasons that I've been talking about. I'm also a bit more likely to dismiss your ideas based on your scum/god theories when we have three claimed neutral roles of which two are claimed non-gods (DTMaster and Tarhalindur) and one seems likely not to be (Plum) as well as the fact that I had personally given two town investigation results on gods at the time (SaintKerrigan who had flipped Set and BlazezRb who had claimed Thor.) I more or less think that you should have picked up on at least some of those when you were making your previous posts though you did have a lot of game to look through.

Thanks for the worship/vote clarification though.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

Yeah sorry about that speculation, I was still on like page 20 or something when I made that? But I was keeping up with what was being said since I joined in and a bit before, so that should explain my confusion

[Xite91]

I'll volunteer too, if it's coming down to that. At this point my big want is to figure out the mechanics of this game (Finding scum is pretty much impossible to me right now) that way if it backfires, at least you put someone in there that is a little less of a help in this game (sorry about that btw)

[Xite91]

@Plum no clue, it says nothing in my post and the only real idea everyone is like "oh, that can't be it"
but my only guess is the placement shift, I'm two below CMAR, and he said his unlynchability was stolen, but again just a guess.

@MO Okay, I was just volunteering since we need someone to see what happens and I can't really find anything to contribute on that hasn't been said before, so I haven't been much use anyways.

[Xite91]

Lottery: gun

[Xite91]

Because it turned out to be the gf and it gives her amazing townie points?

[Xite91]

@ABR or you were making things up yesterday and now that you have numbers out there, if you mess up on your assumptions you die anyways, so you say you were role blocked to keep from having to point out new numbers. I still say you're as scummy to me as you were yesterday.

vote: ABR

[Xite91]

I've seen some dumb things in mafia games, I don't put anything past anyone, especially not making things up. But even with that aside, I'm just replacing my vote from yesterday. I truly think he's scum

[Xite91]

Because from what it looks like EVERYTHING in this game is modified
even the roleblocks seem to have some odd difference to me
and it says in the mods first post that there could be survivors

[Xite91]

I do and don't like the mass claim idea. There's a lot of things that people have hinted at that might make more sense to me with a massclaim. Also, it

could

make scumhunting much easier. That said, it could also help scum target people much easier, although if there's a good amount of protective roles, it's not a problem. Then again, I think scum would take out the people who were protecting the people with "more important" roles, therefore we lose the very people we trust to protect those roles.... Long story short I think it's probably a bad idea with good intentions. That being said, claiming is not a problem for me (i'm not all that special) but it bothers me with the power roles that seem to be out there.

Sorry if this seems all over the place, I have a limited time on here
Speaking of which

V/LA for a while, my internet is down,

i'll be on as much as possible though

[Xite91]

Nik, two already claimed for this, so youre not starting it off, but if you want votes, ill start ya

Vote:Nikanor

Oh yeah, and somehow I keep forgetting to ask this:

@Xite91, do you know why your slot was added to the game? It came in at the start of the day Day One with DTMaster. DTMaster was recruited by Tarhalindur but ortolan wasn't at all forthcoming with how he wound up in the game. Are you able (and willing) to shed any light on that situation?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

I'm not sure how I ended up in the game, but I am pretty much a ghost.
This means I can post and vote and stuff like that, but my worship means nothing (because I am not a human i guess?) and I have no real abilities, and I guess I win when town does (but I was never told how I win, so that's an assumption).
I'm not a VT but for all intents and purposes I may as well be.

AIRPLANES IN THE NIGHT SKY ARE LIKE SHOOTING STARS
I COULD REALLY USE A LYNCH RIGHT NOW
LYNCH RIGHT NOW
LYNCH RIGHT NOW

UNVOTE:
VOTE: CMAR

Lols

[Xite91]

I claimed because it's the only real way to make sense of why I'm here, if there is any way.
Nik seems to want to take part in the mass claim so that's why I pushed him to
Honestly, MO made a lot of valid points for a mass claim, and I was on the fence about it, so he convinced me to be for it.

curious though, What are your reasons for not?

[Xite91]

I'm gonna hate myself for doing this but at least I can has fun with it...

FATE

the final frontier

MO, you make it so easy on me to copy/paste when I'm the last addressed, thank you

@Xite91, is there any chance that your ghost-like status had something to do with not getting lynched Day One? I suppose you'll clear that up with your full claim.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

Rolename: Wayward Spirit (I don't even get a real name, I mean come on, can't I at least be casper? lol)
God\Mortal: Doesn't say (probably neither)
Any Worship Modifiers: None
N1: Dunno
N2: None
Faction (if any): None
Ability: None

@MO I'm not sure, but that's what I thought of too.
I practically full claimed before but there's what you wanted.
Like I said I can vote, and I can make my voice heard (Which I'm sure means post in the thread), but I have absolutely 0 abilities, and gods aren't affected by me worship voting.
Also, I do have a win condition specific to me according to the mod, but he say's he won't(or can't more of) tell me what it is...

[Xite91]

Uhm, not good enough??

[Xite91]

Rolename: Loki
God\Mortal: God
Worship vote N1: Egyptian
Worship vote N2: JCA
Faction: Norse
Abilities:

Daybreak:

Hack the system

: census ability

Summon Fenrir

: can summon a player with my alignment from the replacement list (was planning on summoning pom) if Norse isn't worshiped for 2 consecutive days not counting the first day

Rapid:

Deceptive

: I have a hidden vote I can use by PM'ing Kinetic. I don't use this one because I'm not scum, but I can demonstrate if necessary

Passive:

Scum of the universe

: I'm a miller. Mod reveals me as "Loki, the Trickster" and "Guilty" upon any sane investigations conducted upon me

N1 target: Hack the System
N2 target: Hack the System (failed)
Ability (if your faction gets worship votes): Hated by All (I can't use any abilities if Norse is worshiped highest)

Explanation of my play:

First of all I asked pro-town players not to waste targeting me because I'm a miller. Second of all, my abilities become useless if Norse are worshiped highest, which is why I tried to manipulate the worship against Norse for at least 2 days. I have access to the Norse QT. I am Sky. Iecerint is scum, as I've said from the very beginning but no one has been willing to listen to me until now. I am the only one in the Norse to know that there is at least one scum for sure in our group and I suspected it was Iecerint from the very beginning which is why I never posted in it.

Unvote, vote Iecerint

First, Just considering you're loki (you know, norse god of mischeif) I want to vote you off more, but I'll go ahead and give real reasons.

Uhm, or you just show up as guilty because you're guilty?

Also, didn't you say something about your abilities not going through because a townie might have targeted you?

there seems to me that there are a lot of gaps in your claim. I'd like to hear everyone else's claim, but I also want you lynched. Being torn, I'll just put my vote on you and hope people follow suit after the last few claims go through and you'll be lynched by the time I come back (My internet should be back up sometime tomorrow by the way)

Unvote, Vote:ABR

[Xite91]

@Mina, no clue. Again, just guessing it has to do with me being already dead. I wasn't told I have any abilities, but the mod could just be not telling me. I have a feeling there's a lot about my role that I don't even know... It would probably help to know who pulled me in the game, but I don't even have that info...

[Xite91]

5. Limbo'd people still get counted in the census? Or was this disputed?
Also, 1 seems the most likely to me, but i guess I can wait until tomorrow to figure that one out.

[Xite91]

@Iec, oh yeah I forgot about the role-block somehow
It could be, so I was helping you get all the aspects of what it could be

[Xite91]

Just got done drinking a lot, so I'm not exactly coherent enough to make a real case, but this was interesting...

Die Zorblag, DIE DIE DIE.

@Albert B. Rampage, so if I'm scum with Xite91 who are our partners?

Also, does your Census ability work on people who are in Limbo?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

Probably not if you're removed from the game.

Partners are probably the very person you are defending who is claiming a different win condition. He's scum with you too. And for the rest we'll have to see.

Especially considering that IIRC me and MO were the only two making any serious arguments against him...
OMGUS much?
Sorry if this was already pointed.
Not sure if I remember (again pretty drunk) but I think I have my vote on ABR, if not, here

Rule 12 Violation!

Unvote, Vote: ABR

[Xite91]

Sorry guys, unfortunately life decided to happen all at once, so I will be V/LA on and off for the next two or three, but I should be able to get on at least every three days if I've planned correctly. Just a warning in case I haven't though

I actually considered protecting Spyrex until all that weird-arse "TNM is scum can you feel it?" shit he was going on with at the end of day 1 (which in a way I was thankful for as I wanted a bit of suspicion on me to help protect me from the NK). I didn't really give MO any thought, though as I've already said I've played with Zorblag before and he came across as extremely pro-town in that game when he was actually scum. In the end I thought that scum are more likely to target someone who has been under the radar. It wasn't until day 2 that I realised I probably could have protected myself by targetting the person two spots above me, and I probably would have just done that if I had thought of it the previous night.

I think someone might have addressed this already but wtf?
First, you were going to protect him, then you weren't because he called out suspicion on you? How is that town-like?
Second, Wait, I might have misread this, but you protected MO right?
He's coming off as extremely pro-town to me in this game, acording to your meta that's not a good thing, so why did you protect him (could have been a misread, if so correct me and I will be duly embarrassed)
Third, If you had suspicion on you and thought you were going to me protected from the nk because of it, why would you waste your protect on yourself?

FoS TNM

[Xite91]

ABR isn't a fucking cult leader.

What the hell guys.

I agree with fate on this
Also ISTR ABR saying something about him being sure there was 1 scum in his qt?
Wouldn't it make sense if it was because he was the 1 scum?

[Xite91]

Oh, ok makes sense, but did he ever clarify how he knew that?

[Xite91]

I doubt he is unlynchable forever. Probably 1-shot.

Uhm, maybe I can't be killed (cuz i'm kinda already dead) because it balances out town more?
With all the power roles, I wouldn't doubt something like that

[Xite91]

I still like the ABR lynch idea, but I don't want there to be a stale mate and honestly, raj is a good choice.

Unvote, Vote Raj

Although, I have an idea that if Raj flips town MO is scum.

[Xite91]

@Mod, actually you still have 1 vote on ABR though no one's voting him

[Xite91]

@Mod, why is tar voting twice?

I employ 7 Vote Count Ninjas. And because of that, I have no idea what you are talking about.

[Xite91]

L-1!

CLAIM TIME!

I lold

[Xite91]

Preview: @Fate - Mina is prob. town because MO says she is part of his good wizards group. (along with Faraday)

May have been said already, but how do we know that "good" wizards are actually good? Just Sayin

I want ABR dead too, how delightful!

Vote: ABR

Darn I really wanted to be the first to vote him today O well

Vote: ABR

Hack the system is 1-shot. I thought it might increase by 1% the chance of mafia/cult killing me if they knew otherwise. So ya. 1-shot. I can't use it anymore.

We can assume the cult is at 2 members.

Papa Zito is obviously a dumbass until he says why I'm scum.

Huh? So you lied so that you wouldn't get nk'd?
I'm pretty sure you mean you lied so that you wouldn't get killed in general...
Eh, you just seem to be a really bad choice to keep alive IMO
Considering that you're lying and all either you're bad to keep around end game or you're scum/3rd party
I think that calls for a lynch

[Xite91]

Doing a reread on chrono as long as I don't pass out before I post retaliation to his recent postings.

But that's not how he portrayed it. Just sayin.
Also, why would it be important to kill him if his htc made it so that he could keep finding out who's in each group?
People DO get investigated after death remember? So it's simple to go, ok, he died, so take one off of this faction, and maybe add one for cult, just in case. Viola! new idea as to what's left

[Xite91]

okay, so I read his ISO which wasn't very hard, only 3 pages of mostly 1 liners with a wallpost scattered hither and thither.
Saying that, I would argue that you really don't have much authority in this game chrono, so unless you give a much better reason as to why we shouldn't lynch ABR, i'm not buyin it
Also, i've been tyrin to get this guy lynched pretty much since I joined, why would I stop now?

[Xite91]

And to be clear, it's Xite91's post you don't like when you say 2511?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

Yea. A poorly reasoned jump on a counterwagon is one of the most reliable scum tells that I know of.

Uhm, huh?
IIRC I've been trying to get him lynched for 3 days and my feeling that he's either scum or cult won't go away.
Just sayin.

also, Hey guys sorry about this but I just spent about 12 hours at the hospital, and then about 9 hours sleeping because of medicine and lack of sleep. Now I'm on fun medication that makes me super loopy so I'm going to try to play the game but I have to warn everyone how bad that could be. That being said, I lack all energy to scumhunt at the moment, so I'll save you guys the trouble unless I feel it necessary to point out something.

[Xite91]

Because roles were blocked, therefore no night abilities at all, so no use for night

[Xite91]

nope it was the day/night cycle for 3

[Xite91]

Fate - prolly cuz there's over 100 pages now?
seems like a legit reason

[Xite91]

Really sorry about this, guys, meds are making it hard to focus, replacing out of most of my games

Mod, please find me a replacement