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This is not the type of answer I'm looking for. If you had to say how many scum there were, what would you guess it as? Assume there is only one group, plus SK(s).Plum wrote:
Have I mentioned how long it's been? It's always been too long. It depends on whether or not there are multiple scumteams. If one team, eh, I'd put it at six. Maybe maybe seven, but probably not. If two scumteams, perhaps four apeice (but with heavy immunities?) if they're symmetrical and who knows what if they're not, but probably no more than nine total Mafia in either case.Albert B. Rampage wrote:Setup speculation time...how many scum do you think there are?Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Give ONE precise answer please.SaintKerrigan wrote:
Probably 7-9 scum, with 2-3 third party.Albert B. Rampage wrote:I want everyone to answer this:
Albert B. Rampage wrote:Setup speculation time...how many scum do you think there are?Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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7-9 is multiple answers. I asked for one precise answer. Follow instructions.SaintKerrigan wrote:
Probably 7-9 scum, with 2-3 third party.Albert B. Rampage wrote:I want everyone to answer this:
Albert B. Rampage wrote:Setup speculation time...how many scum do you think there are?Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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I am deliberating whether I want to stay in theshadowsthis game, or go full out and hog the spotlight like Hilary Clinton onGirls Gone Wild. What do you want, majority?
I have a very complicated role PM. The good news is that I have afool-proof wayof bending this game in the majority's favor, but I need some town coordination with the worships.
Do you guys trust me?
Will you appoint me your chief, citizens?
I won't be mad if you don't, you will be saving me lot of effort. OTOH I just finished my semester so I can seriously devote my time to this game.
See this?
That's me. I'm like Mufasa on Pride Rock. Except in my version, Scar is stuck in a hole somewhere because I catch scum like that. Trust in me like you trust the stars to shine on a cloudless night.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Oh shit, that's not Scar, I think it's Nala's boyfriend. Damn it. See? Let that be a lesson to you. Don't look to me to determine who is scum. But if you trust in my word for the worships, I'll provide you some nice advantages. Rampage for president.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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As the first member of my godly (literally speaking) organization Spyrex, I appoint you to be myPrise, or the person in charge of keeping me from going mad with power. You will follow me everywhere I go and whisper "You are just a man" in my ear every time I am praised. My ego is your responsibility now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDhThhrd_UYSaintKerrigan wrote:I'm not sure about appointing ABR town chief, not without some good assurance that we're making the right decision.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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When we're ready to lynch or a week from deadline, whichever comes first, I will announce which players are eligible for worship from among a pool of at least 15 players, so you will maintain a good margin of choice and the scum won't be able to predict exactly which group gets worshiped.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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simulpost btw
I have a passive ability which is a map for the player distribution for the worships and I will have some really good information coming into Day 2. I need to not be targeted by any pro-town forces tonight. Scum can target me it won't matter so rest assured.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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It's relevant but as far as I can see everyone agrees on a 4/4 scum spread +SKs.Mina wrote:ABR, what happened to that question about the number of scum? You claimed you had a plan on what to do with that information, but you seem to have abandoned it in favour of your worship-claiming. (My read on ABR is town, but that one detail niggles at me.
Vote: IecerintGuard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Actually, my vote didn't appear at all in the VC. Kinetic is looking into it right now.Iecerint wrote:Hmm. So I guess you're saying you're also delirium-immune? Like you're just way above all these fancy vote mechanics?Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Unless I'm missing something, why would state who you're worshiping unless you're intending some kind of domino effect? Which begs the question, why would you do that for a faction other than your own? Seems very gratuitous and not in a good way.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Hello, Papa Zito. In War in Heaven I wasn't running the show. The majority of the town was against me and Fonz and rofl were -attempting to- lead the town, and it's only because they didn't think I was scummy -yet- that I survived that long. War in Heaven is a good example of when I'm NOT taking charge. Another good example is in Friends and Enemies where I played what I call the "shadow game", that I unfortunately haven't quite mastered yet.Mighty Orbots wrote:Re: ABR. I read War in Heaven so I'm leery of him running anything. Just be Very Useful and we're cool.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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The site is slow and I don't know who I'm voting yet.Iecerint wrote:I mean, if you wanted to vote me, you would vote raj. But you didn't. And you don't appear to be braindead. So that you wanted to vote me implies that you think that you're delirium-immune, unless I'm missing something or your vote for me was purely rhetoric or whatever.
Hence the domino effect that you are continuing.Iecerint wrote:Did you miss all the players who claimed their worship targets earlier? Refer to my recent post for a condensed summary of the issue.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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@Mina @Snowbunny
Hehe doesn't matter if you suspect me. There's no way I'm getting lynched in case you didn't notice. As it is, I will have invaluable information for you tomorrow and it's too risky to kill me before that.
@Iecerint @Spyrex
Seems like I'm immune to delirium.
My case against Iecerint isn't "invalidated". He's probably Norse and was trying to either get support for Norse or trying to make people follow his lead and reveal what faction they are from. I don't like that at all.
I'll go ahead and say that I believe Tar's claim. Let's see what else he has to say.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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I think everyone revealing their faction would be bad, yes.Iecerint wrote:
OK, so.Albert B. Rampage wrote:The answer is no. I don't understand the second question.
1. ABR thinks Iec is trying to get people to worship the Norse Gods (using his clever strategy of not wanting anyone to claim worship targets, but w/e).
2. ABR thinks Iec is bad for doing so.
3. ABR thinks it's bad in part because it could reveal players' factions,
4. Which implies that ABR thinks revealing players' factions is a bad thing.
5. But when ABR thought he saw a NG breadcrumb from Iec, he announced it to the class! Huh! I wonder why he did that!
The second question is to indicate why this isn't an example of SX's definition of cognitive dissonance.
If one person is so clumsy as to inadvertently point to his faction by proclaiming who he wants to worship, then that is less bad than everyone revealing their faction.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Well I decided to pick you because the others didn't strike me as being as scummy.Iecerint wrote:
OK, then, why are you so excited about me? Why not attack any of the other players who have claimed worship targets? Why not target Els way way back when he brought up the idea? Why not target Els now for being the cause of everything.Albert B. Rampage wrote:If one person is so clumsy as to inadvertently point to his faction by proclaiming who he wants to worship, then that is less bad than everyone revealing their faction.
Your fixation on me makes no sense.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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I like DTM and ortolan so far, I think they're town. I disagree ortolan that their addition to the game shouldn't be discussed. I think it should.
Mina seems fine to me so far. She doesn't look like she has any ulterior motives, at least not yet.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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The thing is, Plum, that I find Iecerint pushing a false case on Mina. It doesn't seem like legitimate scumhunting to me. IDK maybe it's because I unconsciously see similarities in the style of play from Iecerint in this game and when he was scum with me before.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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The Gods of a pantheon supposedly know each other, as evidenced by Iecerint saying "I don't share a QT with you" in regards to Fate. They know who they are, which keeps them accountable to one another, but the scum might not. Therefore, gleaning information on this issue is tantamount to role-fishing in the dark with no town benefiting end in sight.Percy wrote:
As I said earlier, locking scum into claims now is good. We don't know if all gods are bad, or what kind of benefit people get if they're worshipped. We don't know the relationship between gods of the same pantheon. Leaving the scum alone with this information and not investigating it seems completely bizarre. There is important information to be gleaned, so let's get to gleaning, I say.Albert B. Rampage 308 wrote:People claiming who they are going to worship is bad because they are probably going to worship their own faction, which gives insight to who is in what group.
However, I would be curious to know how ortolan and DTM got added to this game because that would be a clear hint to their alignment for me. Locking them into claiming who recruited them or what happened with them would, in this case, be a good thing in my opinion.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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You don't want to know...totallynotmafia wrote:@ABR: Why did you say that you didn't need to be targetted by any pro-town forces instead of just saying you didn't need any doc protection? The way you said it seems like you are trying to deter cop investigations and the like as well.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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O.K. good.DTMaster wrote:@Albert
1. I'd only claim when the time is right or if my recruiter wants me to. But by now my recruiter is painfully obvious. We share similar traits, quite literally. I have an awesome claim to back it up.
I'll give you a hint: good things happen when the god father gets lynched.
If anyone else wants me to claim my worship targets now instead of before we lynch or a week from deadline like I want to, you may say so now.Iecerint wrote:My preference is to hear ABR's two faction targets before the next infodump, but I'll infodump without it if necessary.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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@Iecerint
hohoho...that's quite something you're unloading on us there. Nice.
Nope, no "shadow" flavor...the chosen word is a reflection of one of my playstyles:Iecerint wrote:
Bold not added, so another crumb from ABR, but this one makes him look like someone different from Sky ("shadow" flavor).Albert B. Rampage wrote:I am deliberating whether I want to stay in theshadowsthis game...
I see you've been working on some theories.Albert B. Rampage wrote:
Hello, Papa Zito. In War in Heaven I wasn't running the show. The majority of the town was against me and Fonz and rofl were -attempting to- lead the town, and it's only because they didn't think I was scummy -yet- that I survived that long. War in Heaven is a good example of when I'm NOT taking charge. Another good example is in Friends and Enemies where I playedMighty Orbots wrote:Re: ABR. I read War in Heaven so I'm leery of him running anything. Just be Very Useful and we're cool.what I call the "shadow game", that I unfortunately haven't quite mastered yet.
"Scum love to hunt for 3rd parties". I believe this quote is quite relevant to your case, isn't it?Iecerint wrote:ABR and Sky are 3rd party players who are each associated with specific factions. One of ABR's is GOO, one of Sky's is the Norse gods. Their win condition involves their associated faction(s) "beating" the opposing faction(s) in some way (whether by eliminating them, or by getting more worship than them, or some combination).
I know who your faction QT's "Mystery Man" is. An annoying player. He's also one of the Norse Gods and the reason that the Norse should not be worshiped tonight. I hope you understand.Iecerint wrote:Also, Sky's stipulation that we shouldn't worship ABR would work if they knew one another's roles and were opposed in some way.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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None. Oh, ortolan got recruited and CMAR didn't. Woooh.SaintKerrigan wrote:@ Iec: Remind me again exactly what the difference between Ort and CMAR is? And don't give me "because I misvigged him in another game." That's a bad excuse.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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The bad news is that we are dealing with a cult. A "modified cult", to be specific; whatever that means. I suspect this cult is what Spyrex called the Endless.
And it appears that they have recruited last night because there are now 4 neutrals in the game.
There are 15 town, 4 neutrals and 6 scum in this game. Among these players currently in the game, there are 5 alignments in total. That means that besides the town and the mafia, we are dealing with a modified lyncher (likely Tar and DTM), the aforementioned modified cult, and a "modified survivor".
The good news is that if there are only 4 neutrals at the moment, the cult didn't succeed in recruiting anyone yesterday if you do the math.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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There was a pause between writing the two parts of this post when I was on the phone. Which led me to a momentary lapse. Ignore the striked phrase.Albert B. Rampage wrote:The bad news is that we are dealing with a cult. A "modified cult", to be specific; whatever that means. I suspect this cult is what Spyrex called the Endless.
And it appears that they have recruited last night because there are now 4 neutrals in the game.
There are 15 town, 4 neutrals and 6 scum in this game. Among these players currently in the game, there are 5 alignments in total. That means that besides the town and the mafia, we are dealing with a modified lyncher (likely Tar and DTM), the aforementioned modified cult, and a "modified survivor".
The good news is that if there are only 4 neutrals at the moment, the cult didn't succeed in recruiting anyone yesterday if you do the math.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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I will have more detailed information on Day 3 but the members of this town has to keep trusting me.Iecerint wrote:Are you in a position to tell us why pro-town targeting you might have messed you up?
That's the logic I came to.Iecerint wrote:I'm assuming that you're saying DTM+Tar leaves 2 neutrals, one of which is in the Cult and one of which is the modified survivor?Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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I don't want to do this now.Iecerint wrote:ABR, are you in a position to tell why you excluded the Norse Gods from worship?
I though it might be a good way to find scumtells for when I did confirm the number of scum. It would also have been interesting if anyone was spot on. Now I dunno.Iecerint wrote:Also, why did you ask us to estimate number of scum?Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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