Of Gods And Men (GAME OVER!)

[Snow_Bunny]

The game just began and there's six pages already!? Geez, guys, give me a break.

[Snow_Bunny]

Well, first of all, I'd like to give a public announcement that I only log around once per day, usually at nights. And thus, I don't have much time to post every now and then. I apologize for that. I've taken some quick notes on what I've read so far. I may have missed something, as I'm a bit tired, but I tried my best.

Page 1
Nothing interesting

Page 2
Something about votes being shifted to two places below?

Page 3
Noted ABR's setup speculation
Noted Fate's slip(?) about role PM.

Page 4
Noted raj's lack of topic reading.
Fate's getting scummier
I don't like ABR's speculation about the setup of one scum group + SKs.
I don't like Fate's comment of ABR's being town so early. Why?

Page 5
Hmm... Interesting comment from ABR about trusting him on the worship mechanic. However, it's not the first time I've seen him do that as town. Either town or third party
Spyrex's comment on the voting mechanic being his fault is interesting.

Page 6
Ah, ABR's comment on his confusing role PM makes me think third party. But just a little.
Chrono's 129 seems like a very subtle rolefishing.

Page 7
Uh? Fate's gameplay change is worth noting. Still, there's something scummy about him

Vote:dramonic

(Fate)


Ah, I'll have to keep up on another time. Sowwy.

[Snow_Bunny]

It says actions and votes, but I'll make sure.

This is a bit old, but, didn't you first say that it was only with actions and that you weren't sure it applied to votes as well? See here:

Whatup game.

I am interested in ABR's business and will subscribe to the newsletter.

HOWEVER, I am waiting for confirmation on something but this whole hullaballoo with the voting may a.) be my fault b.) not be contained to voting and c.) only fixable in two ways - one of which is lynching me.

Depending on response I will have more information.

Well, I found that strange, actually. Why the confusion with the vote thing if your ability specified it affected votes as well? I was getting a town read from this move, but I read this again and it ticked me off. Yes, it's a bit small, but it caught my eye. Enough to put aside that town feeling for a while. Maybe I'm just overreacting...

DTM looks like a aggressive townie to me. I personally haven't seen any scum that aggressive so early on. Though, I am finding Iec town as well. Town vs town here, at least for me.

Oh, btw, I would worship Judea-Christian Angels. I really don't think this will bring us more info just like this, but well.

Still reading...

[Snow_Bunny]

@Mina @Snowbunny

Hehe doesn't matter if you suspect me. There's no way I'm getting lynched in case you didn't notice. As it is, I will have invaluable information for you tomorrow and it's too risky to kill me before that.

I know chances are you won't get lynched, but I'm still wary. I'll be waiting for that info.

(I'm still way behind, but I wanted to answer this.)

[Snow_Bunny]

Mod: VLA for the weekend.

[Snow_Bunny]

Ok, I'm back. Will read everything since I left, and post some thoughts. I wouldn't mind if someone helped me with a small summary... I have to read 15+ pages, so... yeah.

[Snow_Bunny]

Some thoughts:

Wait, so far, I've seen that Iec has a QT. Mina also has a QT (different from Iec's). So, what are the odds of having multiple non-scum factions that can talk?

Btw, Spyrex taking Iec's suggestion that scum can daytalk as true seems odd. Scummy++.

I'm liking totallynotmafia's 516. His case on Ort is quite good, and I'm liking it. However, I wouldn't discharge DTM just like that. Good post. His question to ABR is good as well.

I'm finding Iec's townish. And I don't see ABR's case on him. Not good enough.

Ugh, DTM posts way too much. It's hard to tell what's good and what's noise. Neutral on him. I had an early agressive townie read on him, but now I'm downing him to neutral. Sometimes it seems as if he's trying to find a lynch in every corner. Too trigger happy isn't very pro-town.

Ok, I reached page 25 and I think that's all for now. I'll be sending my worship vote now, as well. Also, a quick list of my stance on some players:

Scummy
Fate (scummy but leaning 3rd party. Scummy nonetheless.)
Ort

Neutral
ABR
Mina
DTM

Townish
Iec
Percy
Totallynotmafia
Tar (I'll believe his claim for now)

[Snow_Bunny]

Btw, Spyrex taking Iec's suggestion that scum can daytalk as true seems odd. Scummy++.

Why? Daytalking wouldn't surprise me in the least.

If thats Scummy++ why am I too cool to get ranked anywhere?

It's not that you were not surprised. It's that you took that as granted. That's odd, and scummy.

That's odd, I thought I had you ranked down on Neutral. Well, you are on neutral, 'nuff said.

[Snow_Bunny]

@ SB, Mina posted about me a few pages ago. It's a huge, color-coded post, so I'm not sure how you missed it unless you missed an entire page or something.

I'll let her answer the other.

I'm still behind. Chances are I haven't gotten there yet.

My worship vote is, as I said before, for the Judea-Christian Angels.

[Snow_Bunny]

Well Ice really has no reason to lie about daytalking if he's going to bring it up regardless of side AND it really doesn't ever surprise me?

So, yea, that part makes sense.

Well, it's still odd, whatever you say about it.

[Snow_Bunny]

Ok, regarding the NKs, if nothing went wrong, I was the one who shoot Spyrex down.

[Snow_Bunny]

Ok, regarding the NKs, if nothing went wrong, I was the one who shoot Spyrex down.

WHY?

No seriously. Why in hell?

I thought his ability was antitown. I had a neutral reading on him, but after reading his ability for a second time I decided it was not really pro-town. The way he put his ability sounded to me as if he was hiding or faking something. So, as I wasn't sure the worship vote would end up in the GOO, I decided that killing him was the best course of action.

And, why in hell are you so mad about that? His alignment hasn't been confirmed yet. For all we know, he could have been scum. Or are you

sure

he is town?

Mmm... Odd...

Vote: Plum

For now that's a good place to have my vote on.

[Snow_Bunny]

@Snow_Bunny, SpyreX was upfront with his ability and actively participating in the game (unlike far too many players.) His ability was a bit of a pain but thanks to the information he provided it was completely possible to work around it. He would not have been my first choice for a vig at all.

I told you, there was something ticking me off from him. A gut feeling, you may call it. I don't know if you have played with me before, but I tend to follow wholeheartedly those gut feelings. As I already said, I felt he was hiding something else with his ability, and what best way to deal with that than to kill him (he even suggested that)? Yeah, he may have seemed protown for some of you, but I personally had him on neutral.

I'm mad about having a good reason to think SpyreX was pro-Town (good vibes augmented the declared ability/Townhelp he gave - sure his passive ability was a slight pain, but telling all and helping us work with it and being a vocal scumhunter . . . yeah) and when Spy is Town he can make really really good things happen, y'see. Why not Vig, hell, a complete lurker or something? Am I sure he is Town? No, not completely positive, but then quantum physics would say that anything is possible. He flipped Delight, claimed Delirium who could shift to Delight (which works with the character flavor). I'm just not seeing scum SpyreX here and live Town SpyreX would certainly be a state I'd much prefer. Are you voting me because I disagree with your claimed Vig target and believe him to be Town for what are from my point of view legitimately good reasons? Please.

No, I'm voting for you for having an stereotyped scum reaction to killing someone. You see, others have stated their thoughts differently. I don't know, your reaction can't be genuine unless you know for sure Spyrex is town. Yeah, it may be something weak, but there's nothing better as of now.

Snow_Bunny: From now on, kill lurkers or die.

That was the plan, but I rather followed my instinct on this one and then continue with the lurkers.

The thing that is strangest to me about Snow_Bunny's kill is the fact that she claimed it. I've never played as a vig before but I thought that being a vig is something you'd want to keep to yourself to avoid being NKed, so why did you claim it so early SB?

Why would I want to hide Spyrex's death? More info to town is always better. Well, and I rather be the target of a scum NK than having other possible stronger pro-town players (or roles) be killed during night. Hell, maybe if I had killed a simple lurker I would have remained in the shadows, but with Spyrex and his ability I thought it was the best if I claimed it.

Oh, I worshipped last day the JC angels.

[Snow_Bunny]

I WAS going to catch up in all my games today, but right when I get to the cafe I get called in to work. YAYYYYYYY

Quickpost: WHO THE FUCK SHOT SPYREX AND WHY? (FUCK YOU SNOWBUNNY)
ONLY TWO DEATHS? BOTH CLAIMED?
SCUM SHOT TAR CUZ THEY THOUGHT HE WAS LYING AND HES BASICALLY A USURPER.

WHOEVER NEIGHBORIZED ME WITH THIS TOOL NEEDS TO RETHINK THEIR TOWN READS.

I DONT LIKE THE FACT THAT NOT A SINGLE PERSON CLAIMED TO WORSHIPED GOO YESTERDAY AND THEY CAME OUT OF LEFT FIELD IN THE LEAD.

HAS ORTO TOLD US WHY HE DIDNT DIE?

ILL LEAVE THIS HERE:

Vote Dramonic

DOWN WITH A SB LYNCH. CLAIMING THE SHOT DOESNT MAKE YOU ANY LESS OF A SK.

Agreeing with a lynch but not voting for me? That's nice.

[Snow_Bunny]

Agreeing with a lynch but not voting for me? That's nice

Regardless of whether she is SK I think we can utilise her NK, and shooting Mina tonight to figure out what is going on with limbo is probably a good way to start.

Thanks for claiming SK though, we'll get around to you.

Really? When did I claim to be an SK? Please, enlighten us.

Btw, I don't have any problem at all using my kill as a second lynch, but only if there's a general consensus. Otherwise I will start shooting lurkers next night (or who knows... I don't want to give scum that info for sure. One thing is sure, I'll claim my target afterwards, if I yet live.)

[Snow_Bunny]

@Plum: No, I'm not voting for you because you didn't like my night choice. I told you already, I'm voting for your reaction. But I'm not going to argue you for that. Even though that triggered my scum radar and warranted you my vote, I know that's hardly enough to get a wagon on you. But the reaction is noted, and so the vote.

[Snow_Bunny]

I think Plum's reaction to your NK is one of the only plumTown things I have noticed all game.

Go figure. Well, that's the thing that put me suspicious on her.

[Snow_Bunny]

Alright.

I am indeed an Egyptian aligned God. and when juiced I have a resurrection (of others) ability. Which is why I was the mod asking about the duration in the Dead-not-Buried Zone.

Why.did.you.claimed.this?

/facepalm.

If your claim is true and you are town, I can only see this as the worst anti-town move ever. What do you think town is going to do with that knowledge? /doublefacepalm.

Really! /again, facepalm.

And this is coming from the person who shot Spyrex. /facepalm

[Snow_Bunny]

I wouldn't mind an Iece lynch. If we fail, and worship Egyptians, I can erase that mistake lol. Assuming that I don't get killed prior to that point. and that there's no scum role which accelerates burial.

...

if it wasn't for your claim I would have shoot you for being so blatantly scummy! "Hey guys, let's just lynch player X, and if he isn't scum then I revive him next day and not only we lose one lynch but the option of reviving another player!" So, you just want to waste a lynch, that is? And, I'm loving the "Assuming that I don't get killed prior to that point. and that there's no scum role which accelerates burial" part.

^ Feel free to ignore my input. I post before thinking far too often.

Yeah, sure, why not. And now that we're at it, why not just forget every other scummy post in the game?

MFoS: Chronopie

[Snow_Bunny]

Dude is obv town.

How is chronopie obvtown?

More like obvnewbscum. Still, with that claim an outright lynch is risky, when there's also a small chance Chronopie is really VI.

Btw, I'm posting in small posts as its easy to do so while in class.

[Snow_Bunny]

@S_B: Did you feel SpyreX was scummy or no?

Yes. My first read on him was neutral, but that changed after a second read during N1.

[Snow_Bunny]

lol, thanks DTM.

Plum, I've already said that I think it's quite likely that Snow_Bunny is a SK as I don't believe a vig would out themselves like that so early through fear of being NKed, but a bulletproof SK obviously wouldn't be worried about that and may want to set up a vig claim early. It is still a bad move by an SK to claim the kill so early as well I guess, but I think we can direct SB's kill for the moment and deal with whether she is a vig or an SK later.

I think it's interesting what DarkStalker said about a zombie cult, that would be a cool game mechanic if Chrono was a cult recruiter and recruits people from the graveyard.

Just a quick comment: if you don't think a vig would out themselves like that, what makes you think a SK would when there's so much at stake? I mean, the SK is usually alone, meaning that he can't risk being lynched, unlike townies. Well, I mean, if we put it in a balance, it's far more riskier for a SK to get attention than for a townie. Just saying, your reasoning sounds totally off. If you want to be suspicious of me because I shot Spyrex, then go ahead. But saying that you are suspicious of me because I outed myself like that is just plain forced.

[Snow_Bunny]

Snow_Bunny is jester serial killer.

Crap. My disguise has been foiled!

[Snow_Bunny]

TOWN:
2. Faraday
3. ABR
27. FlipScythe (replaces Ortolan)
9. Mighty Orbots
10. Parama
6. chronopie
7. Fate
17. Nikanor
20. Katy
14. Vasuveda
24. rajrhcpfreak

SNOW BUNNY:
16. Snow_Bunny

NOT TOWN BUT TOWN:
Tar
28. DTMaster

IDK LOL
Blazebrb (this guy reads kinda newish town for some reason but Starbuck was a scum read so IDK)
22. Percy (hasn't really posted a lot at all)

NOT TOWN
4. manho
5. dramonic
11. Plum
12. totallynotmafia
15. DarkStalker
23. Albatross (replaces Kairyuu)
25. CryMeARiver
26. Iecerint
8.Ooba


Snow_Bunny's probably a vig, but that was a really bad vig shot. Like seriously. I'm curious as to why she claimed then berated Chronopie for claiming prematurely though?

Well, from my PoV, town losing a vig isn't as bad as town losing a reviver. Or, do you think it's on the same level? And, I claimed because I wanted to leave clear that I was the one responsible for his death (really, I've seen many times how town ask the vig, if any, to out himself at D2 after a multiple kill night.) In the other hand, why did Chrono claimed?

[Snow_Bunny]

Nobody answered my question about why Darkstalker is scum. I don't trust anybody on that wagon.

Because DS came into the game this day all "Hey guys let's waste our lynch on the person sitting in limbo who can't defend herself or use actions."

I don't know why a town player would be worried about someone in limbo. If Mina is scum (which I don't think is the case) then she's the least scary of scum because she doesn't contribute anything to them but a body right now. If she is town then she is adding to our body count for winning even she can't participate in the thread.

Well, I don't want to play devil's advocate here, but I remember a game where town won because they lynched someone who was in a limbo-sort of place. If my memory doesn't fail me, it was a large game, and it was space-based with multiple races and factions...

The point is, what DS did is quite scummy. Though not enough for me to say obvscum (maybe dumbscum ¬_¬)

[Snow_Bunny]

Unvote, vote: Chronopie

I think its time I move my vote to a more serious place. I find Fate's reaction towards Plum a bit scummy, but not enough to push his lynch. In fact, it even seems more like a lyncher reaction than scum. Any roads, tonight I can always go for either of them (:P), and settle this as grown ups.

[Snow_Bunny]

OK, that's all I needed to hear.

Time for another infodump:

Unvote; Vote: BlazezRb

. He is either scum, or

extremely

VI.

(Tense is regularized to singular masculine for style reasons only where ambiguous.)

1. Starbuck shared my QT. BlazeRb currently shares it. Both players have posted in the QT, so it should be evident to Blaze that

I have more content from them to draw from, so his recent post makes no sense

. But this isn't REALLY why I'm voting him.
2. It's best to come out with it now. Otherwise, the rest doesn't follow quite as naturally.

I am a Norse god.

3. When Blaze first joined the game,

he posted in Norse QT asking who he needed to kill -- the other gods, or the men -- in order to win

. My role PM makes no mention of killing anyone, so I think this was a huge slip. Maybe he was given 2 QTs and didn't know that only one was an all-scum QT. (Or he could be a traitor.)

That's quite a slip, actually. My question is why you waited till now to cast a vote on him?

1. Why on earth did you claim?
2. Starbuck was blocking me N1?
3. Starbuck was blocking HERSELF N1? WAT?
4. You gave up your ability? Or she did? Voluntarily? To someone you know is town?

I am asking because I am incredulous and I need you to say "yes" to these just so I know what's going on. Except for the first one.

1. I am so fucking lost, I decided subbing gets me lost, so I decided if I claim I might as well full claim.
2. Yes, Thor (Me) can block a character and himself. Love it.
3. Yes, as long as I have the hammer, which has been given away to a character to a townie for the day.
4. Yeah, and after reading about how people think your scum, I decided to stop my power for the moment.

Summary: I am thor, I can roleblock, someone has my hammer, one lucky winner (Looking at fate) might get my cover for D/N2

Wait, I don't get the last part. If you gave your hammer away, and thus your ability to roleblock, how can you be saying that you are going to block Fate tonight? That doesn't make sense.

The impetus for that exercise was that Blaze and Parama said they didn't know what was going on.

Your post didn't help me AT ALL.

You gave your reads which are not mine and barely explained them. Obviously quite helpful to the rest of us. hurrrr

...
Oh that Blaze thing is

most definitely

a slip. Haha, wow.

unvote, vote: Blaze

I'll tell you guys this once. Especially you Parama, because in the last 3 games you voted me, what was I?

I am Thor (Norse God - Roleblocker)

I am so lost, as more proof, I was blocking me and Iec.

If you don't believe me, so be it, I gave away my roleblocking hammer to a certain townie

Roleblocker claim is most likely scummy, although not necessarily. It add points to Iec case.

If it wasn't for MO's claim I would be sure Blaze is scum. Slip plus fuzzy claim (moar liek FAKE CLAIM) is more than enough for that. But, well, I guess it can't be helped (I'm leaning for now that MO, as scum, wouldn't go out like that to save a scumpartner. Or, we can be dealing with Mafia Godfather... ) Wait, that's a good possibility, you know.

FoS: Blaze

So, we have like one week till deadline, and there isn't a solid wagon yet? Sounds to me that we will be rushing in the last hour and mistakes (read:opportunistic wagon jumping) will be made.

[Snow_Bunny]

I have not been reading the thread in a while (to be clear, I had kinda forgotten about this alt account) nor do I really have time to catch up in any sort of satisfactory manner, not will I go out of my way to make time because, frankly,

I don't want to

.

To compensate for this, I will be doing two things:

Someone will be receiving something in the mail. I wont say what. This person's name may or may not rhyme with Bighty Borbots. To the recipient, I only have one thing to say: Winter is a lovely time of year.

The second thing I will be doing is, in an exercise in trust, I will be blindly following Fate on any wagon that he chooses. Congratulations, Fate! Consider yourself a double voter.

Now who do I vote?

Play, replace out or die, please. It's annoying that there isn't a force replacement option for players like you.

Ok, we know this:

MO is a god (Class unknown)
Albatross is a god (Class unknown, got any ice gods out there?)
Fate is uber (with my cover action for the day and double voting)
Fate will lynch us all

Followed by:

@Blaz: Where did you get that I claimed to be a god?

It is just me, or this is another slip from Blaze?

First off, don't think I'm claiming you scum. But if alba gives you this weapon, he must be a winter/ice god, because if gods are the same,

mortals can not have the weapon

, I'm not sure what happens if a mortal gets the weapon, I just think the transaction fails. The reason I know this is because my hammer has the same ability,

only gods can ultilize the weapon, mortals can't.

I don't follow your crappy logic. I have a weapon and I am pretty sure I'm not a god. And I can fully use it, you know. Trying to justify your second slip with crappy logic won't do.

Ah, you know what, that Godfather idea sounds even better now.

Unvote, vote: Blaze

[Snow_Bunny]

I have not been reading the thread in a while (to be clear, I had kinda forgotten about this alt account) nor do I really have time to catch up in any sort of satisfactory manner, not will I go out of my way to make time because, frankly,

I don't want to

.

To compensate for this, I will be doing two things:

Someone will be receiving something in the mail. I wont say what. This person's name may or may not rhyme with Bighty Borbots. To the recipient, I only have one thing to say: Winter is a lovely time of year.

The second thing I will be doing is, in an exercise in trust, I will be blindly following Fate on any wagon that he chooses. Congratulations, Fate! Consider yourself a double voter.

Now who do I vote?

Play, replace out or die, please. It's annoying that there isn't a force replacement option for players like you.

Ok, we know this:

MO is a god (Class unknown)
Albatross is a god (Class unknown, got any ice gods out there?)
Fate is uber (with my cover action for the day and double voting)
Fate will lynch us all

Followed by:

@Blaz: Where did you get that I claimed to be a god?

It is just me, or this is another slip from Blaze?

First off, don't think I'm claiming you scum. But if alba gives you this weapon, he must be a winter/ice god, because if gods are the same,

mortals can not have the weapon

, I'm not sure what happens if a mortal gets the weapon, I just think the transaction fails. The reason I know this is because my hammer has the same ability,

only gods can ultilize the weapon, mortals can't.

I don't follow your crappy logic. I have a weapon and I am pretty sure I'm not a god. And I can fully use it, you know. Trying to justify your second slip with crappy logic won't do.

Ah, you know what, that Godfather idea sounds even better now.

Unvote, vote: Blaze

That makes no sense, the idea I brought out about this weapon has nothing to do with me being a GF, I don't why your calling me that just because I brought that up. Saying that its some kinda sword or shield or something, that doesn't need to be use by a god, some weapons do and I am just bringing up the point.

No, you used that as an excuse of why do you know that Albatross is a god. Yes, it has nothing to do with you being a GF, 'cept that it sounds like a slip, and as you have an innocent result on you, then you must be, by logic, a GF.

[Snow_Bunny]

^ Sorry, I meant Starbuck. Both my SBs are in this game.

Oh thanks. I was getting confused with this as well. You can call me Snowy is that's better.

The more I read Blaze's claim, the more confusing I find it. Is just me?

[Snow_Bunny]

Ha, go figure, I wasn't even aware of the modkilling. Silly me.

Yeah, anyone with modding powers in Theme Park can post here when the topic is locked.
Anyway.
Snow_Bunny, who are you planning on shooting tonight? I would suggest manho myself.

I have a small list that I need to recheck, and then I will decide. Don't worry, this time I won't screw it.

[Snow_Bunny]

So, how about we make a quick vote about it and call it a day?

[Snow_Bunny]

Ok, I have made a decision and I will shoot down one of the following:

Dramonic
CMAR
totallynotmafia
Fate
manho
Albatross
Percy's replacement
rajrhcpfreak
DS

Popular choice the list, personal choice the target.

[Snow_Bunny]

Holy crap - I just got a second PM from Beholder.

Inhimshallibe was the MAFIA GODFATHER. (Yes, that means I am now Town.) Snow_Bunny, if that was you... good shot.

Let's get to winning this.

Yep, that was me. And I thought I was just removing a lurker... Go figure, we took out the GF, and we earned a townie. Best kill evar. ^_^

Do I get a cookie?

Lottery: Hammer

[Snow_Bunny]

Quick post before going to work:

I was redirected? O_o. Honestly, after the voting things for my targets and all of that, I decided it was best to go after a lurker. I wanted to go for others, but there were mixed feeling between some of you, so I decided it was best for to just take out a lurker. After all, I was doing both town and him a favour (well, if he's dead he doesn't have to catch up. ).

[Snow_Bunny]

Regarding the mass claim, I won't support one unless I see it worthy. Really, what's the point? Also, how can we be sure that there isn't a Death Note around here (paranoid too much?)? Maybe later, but right now I don't see much the point of it.

Ok, I'm going to buy dramonic's claim for now. Just for now. I rather go with this now:

Vote: Albatross

[Snow_Bunny]

So for anyone who's on the fence about mass claim being a good idea now I'd like to point out that this is probably the one time in the game when scum aren't able to communicate via quick topic. If we mass claim now they won't be able to coordinate behind the scenes to adapt as a group to the situation. We're more likely at this moment to catch scum with a poor fake claim than we are at any other time in the game.

I like this. Now, this is a good reason why the massclaim should go today.

Rolename: Lucky Dirak, from Shaman King
God\Mortal: I'm assuming mortal as my role pm mentions nothing about being a god (and the character is human)
Any Worship Modifiers: Not that I'm aware of.
Worship vote N1: JCA
Worship vote N2: JCA
Faction (if any): Guess which! (if you guessed JCA, you're wrong! I'm Ex-Laws, although I assume that it's the same as JCA, as Ex-Laws wasn't a worship target and, well, the fluff favours that relationship (anyone who watched or read SK would know))
Ability: Possession (I kill people with my focus item)
N1 target: Nikanor
N2 target: InhimshallIbe
Ability (if your faction gets worship votes): Unstoppable kill.

[Snow_Bunny]

If you're part of a Godly faction (JCA), you're a God. Also, you tried to kill me n1?

Well, my role pm mentions none of that, so I'm not sure. I'm basing myself on fluff for that.

And no, I targeted you to kill Spyrex.

Faction (if any): Guess which! (if you guessed JCA, you're wrong! I'm Ex-Laws, although I assume that it's the same as JCA, as Ex-Laws wasn't a worship target and, well, the fluff favours that relationship (anyone who watched or read SK would know))

Yeah Ex-Laws is what my role PM says but when I asked Kinetic he told me I was a JCA god so.
Also Possession is the name of my Weak Track ability Is your worship ability named Oversoul by any chance?

Yes. One is possession and the other is Oversoul.

[Snow_Bunny]

Albatross could really use a vigging tonight (hint: Snow_Bunny).

*wink wink*

But now, seriously, the lack of info from Fate and Albatross is just weird (read: scummy). Maybe MO's plan for massclaiming is working.

[Snow_Bunny]

Hmm... Reading more I retract my statement about Alba (still, unless he stops lurking I won't take him out from my to-vig list.)

[Snow_Bunny]

^you're a god dude
Only gods have worship abilities

Really? Go figure... I wasn't aware of that. So, that means I am a god, right?

[Snow_Bunny]

Mod: VLA until next Tuesday. kthnxbie

[Snow_Bunny]

Well, I guess from the point of view of some of you there's the possibility that I'm scum, but I can't do anything about it. Only things I can claim on my behalf fall on WIFOM, and I rather don't go there. So, let's leave that option open if you want for now. It's better that way. Maybe with my next target (tomorrow night, right?) I'll be able to prove myself better.

Albatross' 2278 post is quite interesting. However, although it's true that scum would get a bit more confusing, I don't find that idea to be much of pro-town. After all, at least in my case, I wouldn't know who should I give my item. Yeah, I may find a player pro-town, but that doesn't clear him. I wouldn't like to give scum another way to kill players. :/

I don't think the scum doc would openly claim in thread that he protected the GF. I know WIFOM, but still. >.>

S_B is today's lynch. No one else particularly stands out.

Elaborate, please. So, you're not finding the case on tnm appealing? What about MO vs ABR? The CMAR wagon? Hmm...

I myself am finding the case on ABR interesting. However, I rather lynch scum than cult leader.

Page 94 and reading...

[Snow_Bunny]

I will concede that SB is not confirmed town until

both a mafia kill and her kill happen on the same night.

I was incorrect earlier. But your suspicions on SB seem to rest on the idea that SB is scum and you were redirected to her. If you were redirected as such, scum must of thought SB was in danger. If she is scum then logically only town would want to kill her.

How do you know a kill is from mafia? I grant your point, but putting it that way makes me think that you have a way to know when a mafia will kill.

[Snow_Bunny]

I have mixed feelings about TMN's 2352. I don't like his reasoning of why he protected the GF, but I do like his reasoning of why he can't be the scum doctor. I am leaning, though, to believe he is town for now.

I may be a little lost on this, but what's the point of counting the worship votes?

People: Why is Raj scum? It's not that I think him town, I just really don't know what's going on, and why he's scum.

Well he says he has a different win condition than town and my census on Night 1 says otherwise. He probably missed what I said so he said that and he's scum.

Uh, interesting. But again, there's the issue with your credibility. But that can always be discussed later when we have more critical info.

Unvote, vote: Raj

Still catching up...

[Snow_Bunny]

Hmm. I need to read the thread. I thought for sure my S_B case was awesome, but w/e.

It's not that awesome, really.

[Snow_Bunny]

Ah, another day already? Give me a break... Though, it was nice to see that we have taken care of so many scums. ^_^

I'm going to be selfish here and take a break for the weekend. I've been reading too much lately and I really need to rest.

Mod:VLA for the weekend.

[Snow_Bunny]

Just a quick response in the middle of my VLA.

We should start building Snow_Bunny's list.
Chronopie
ABR
Dramonic

Is a good start.

I'm liking that list. Add TNM (I rather deal with this myself than using a town lynch, which I think it can be used for a better target.) and we have a good start. Maybe even throw Fate in. You know, just for the kicks.

@totallynotmafia, I asked for Parama's item in particular because he had apparently attempted to send it to me yesterday (and was foiled by the universal block.) I wasn't yet ready to talk about what I'd like others with items to do though I'll get to that here for at least Snow_Bunny in just a bit.

I can confirm that someone (and it pretty much has to be Parama) sent me an item has a weak track as it's normal ability and what looks to me like a regular track for it's normal owner as it's empowered ability. The wording on the track/watch thing is a bit dense so I'm perfectly willing to believe that either Parama got it wrong, or I've got it wrong now (well, I'm more likely to believe the former but I'm pretty arrogant.) There's some chance that Parama was being coy on purpose and I've just ruined some clever plan but I'm willing to live with that if it's the case. In any case, it matches what Parama said well enough. I'm checking with the mod whether sending an item counts as the one ability I can use for a day (I think that it doesn't but I'd like to figure that out for sure) but I plan to send it back to him regardless of what I learn as it does more good in his hands than mine. This has overall slightly improved Parama's chances of being town in my opinion but they were already pretty high once he pre-emptively suggested sending his item to me (which I don't think scum would think to do.)

I'd like it if Snow_Bunny sent her item to someone we're pretty sure is town today. In fact, if I can give multiple items to people in the same day I'd like it best if she gave it to me and then I passed it on to someone I'm pretty sure is town. That would make it very hard for scum to try to stop that night kill with a roleblock or redirect and we could largely count on it being used as town would want it to. That of course relies on Snow_Bunny trusting both me and my judgment about who's town. I'll expect her to comment on the plan when she's back from V/LA but I'd love to hear what others think until then.

@Tarhalindur, while it is true that others brought up the idea of using the Census to test rajrhcpfreak's recruitment's alignment before DarkStalker did, he still went with the idea after I'd pointed out the flaws in it. Scum should very much have wanted to keep rajrhcpfreak around long enough to use that recruit even if it turned out that they ended up recruiting someone who was known almost instantly to be scum. Worst case scenario for scum is that it wastes the town's resources dealing with the recruit rather than putting a lynch or night kill to better use trying to find someone who isn't scum. Best case scenarios for scum are much better than that. Scum would at that point have either know that Albert B. Rampage was bluffing about his ability to use the census (most likely ) or that they could block him again (if they had the second night which is doubtful) so there wasn't any real danger to them of getting revealed by a Census. Everyone involved with pushing that idea looks bad (it was a poor idea regardless but the rajrhcpfreak flip makes it even more suspect) and I've got a stronger town read on Nikanor than I do DarkStalker for reasons that I plan to reveal to you (or DTMaster to be passed on to you) if Nikanor does put us in a quick topic together.

With DarkStalker the main source of my town read was that his abilities are really good for scum and that I think if he was scum he would have been tempted not to share them both. It's a more tenuous reason really.

As far as worship goes, if we don't worship Norse tonight I sort of think that Albert B. Rampage will likely be able to recruit. I'm not currently comfortable with that for what should be obvious reasons given that I don't trust him. If we plan on leaving Albert B. Rampage around then I'd rather worship Norse than anyone else tonight. I trust Iecerint much more than I trust him at this point.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

Look, the thing is (and taking into account your latest post where you mention that you don't want the item now) I don't know who should I give the item. I could roll with everyone creating a list of possible targets and choosing from there. Tell me all of you what you think about it.

[Snow_Bunny]

Ok, I'm sending my item to Tarh. If you would be so kindly of hold the lynch till he receives, I'd appreciate it (and I'm sure you would as well.)

[Snow_Bunny]

Mod: I'm kind of homeless right now, so my Internet connection is quite limited. Thus, VLA. I'll try to post every time I can.

[Snow_Bunny]

I really prefer a Chronopie lynch than a DS one.

Vote: Chronopie

Though, I wouldn't mind lynching ABR either.

@Tar: Did you get my item?

[Snow_Bunny]

The hell does it matter who shot him?

Chrono was town but he's useless as fuck and a huge distraction so let's just be GLAD HE'S DEAD.

DS lynch is appealing, but Fate's slip is much better. In my time we lynched slipped scum asap. Ah, those good old times...

Vote: Fate

[Snow_Bunny]

Arggg!!!! Who killed me!!!???