Of Gods And Men (GAME OVER!)

[DTMaster]

Okay you cunts, let's see what you can do now

@Mina

Question to DTMaster and Ortolan: do you know why were you both added to the game? Were you recruited by a specific faction?

I was told that I was to replace in ASAP, since I was a person on the replacement list. Then I got my role PM. And yes someone recruited me to join this game. Rawr!

I thought a bit before asking that first question, but I decided that knowing whether DTMaster and Ortolan were recruited by specific players (they don't even have to reveal who) or factions or were just randomly assigned to the game tells us nothing about their role and potentially useful information about their alignment. I can definitely see the Mafia having the option of recruiting from the replacements list. And how they react to my question would allow us to read them better, to

What's your read now, cock sucker. I have no issues with cock suckers mind you, just scummy cock suckers. But scummy cunt munchers are the worst.

@Ice
That might not be the case in terms of flavour. Don't trust flavour analysis. Harry Potter Mafia with Scum Harry/Herminone/Ron.

Also your arguments are weak. Like totally totally weak.

1. You are not reading.
2. You have poor reading comprehension.
3. You are scum overestimating how long it reasonably takes town to figure shit out and are consequently overshooting.
4. You are scum trying to bring confusion

1-2, is not a scum slip, nor a scum argument. You're just saying Fate didn't know about the vote shift. Hows this for analysis

It shows that Fate doesn't know about the vote shifts therefore he's probably not responsible

That's pretty dumb.

3. How do you know this? If it's like a Tar game

it takes multiple game days to fully figure out mechanics

. This is not a scum slip. Nor are you making any point in connecting Fate - SCUM via this argument.

You're just saying Town is smarter then that. That's just a difference of opinion.

4. How so? You're arguments don't make sense if you don't add in examples.

@Saint
Serious? Like, is that all?

Yeah. I don't see how it helps town, but it helps scum by giving them an idea of how the town is likely to worship vote, which they can plan for accordingly.

How? Unless scum is one of said factions, or they know who's on each faction. V.V. If anything, People who have specific worships want to coordinate the worship votes for a certain factions.

We don't know if that faction is town-aligned/scum-aligned. We don't know if a faction gains the majority they grant us massive powerups.

Heck the whole worship thing reads as multiple factions, but not necessarily multiple scum factions.

Fate, you need to explain what you know about worship win conditions and how you know it, now. Because I rather doubt worship win conditions are town-related.

Do you hate the gods you mother fucker? You seem to like ABR's plan that hint heavily about the worships, but you don't like the gods in general.

You are fucking scummy.

@Chrono
What scum claim? I didn't read one >>;;.

Also your latest post is horrible. I would totally go

DayKill: Chronopie

.

@Town

As an 11 year old girl, my mouth is as clean as a sailor and I'm the reason why rule 19 exists. I have a post restriction to swear like a sailor and insult people. So suck it up cunts

I didn't worship last night and I'm not required to follow any gods. I actually forgot about the worship mechanic. V.V. I'm busy trying to juggle my other games atm.

Have a nice day, asses.

Oh yeah last night I recieved a note when I came in. There is a mafia faction, and I highly think it's a single mafia faction and it has a Godfather. Yes I'm claiming role related information nao in Alice in Wonderland Style.

@Albert
Generally in large games there are lots of scum. Like 8 ish. Probably multiple factions of some kind (mafia of some kind and something else) generally but I suspect a single faction, but I know Mafia is one of them. Probably we have an SK. Probably 3rd parties.

So in terms of scum of -> 8-14

See Kingdom Hearts Mafia, Battle Mage Mafia, in my large themes to base it in.

@Mod

28 DTMaster (2) - Elscouta

IS THIS BLOODY ACCURATE???!?@?!?@!?!@

Anyways,

Vote Plum (voting SK)

[DTMaster]

Probably did. Illiterate fucker.

[DTMaster]

@Ice

Prana is scum = Fate's way of saying: Hai guy who I played with recently and in 2 games was scum. Here's my way of saying hello again. VOTE PARAMA!

Fate is to Parama as Magnus is to Kai in terms of town-scum relationship.

Tl;DR, Fate is a dick and likes to prance his around.

If you are calling Fate scummah, the correct way is to link that ABR comment like ABR himself and call him out on buddahing! You are a lazy ass right now.

[DTMaster]

Dick. Why do you think rule 19 exists. Unless someone else is going to claim otherwise, my role is directly linked to rule 19, sub clauses and all.

[DTMaster]

Actually, MO, your vote is scummy. Tar influenced the roles. That doesn't make Tar scum.

That's called policy. voting

Your dick is plunging into the delicious, sweet, dripping cunt of policy voting. Shame it can't satisfy it.

[DTMaster]

@Ice
1. Actually it means your argument failed like erectile disfunction. Granted it's still early game so weak tells like these are explored first, but you're argument isn't persuasive towards a scum-Fate case.

Cough. Remember my game, that I died in Kise's Square Enix Game. It's on going (

Mod if this is against the rules delete the sentence since it is on going, but I'm dead

). Similar style.

He also faked a PR, when he replaced into Mr Suave's game. (this one is done) as town, in a normal game.

There's no oomph to your argument. It's flaccid, and weak, and there's no point to your illiterate comments.

It's just words, meant to rile him up and make him get angry. Aka, you're being scummy by calling Fate names, rather then arguing it out.

2. It doesn't when you just post your RVS and ignore the quick analysis page 1. Plus it's a two hour diffrence.

How often are games broken out of RVS on

page 2

. Not very.

3. I didn't. Normally

vote counts are posted after, like right now in vote counts 3. I skipped page 1 and didn't realize that there was a vote count 2 posted on the first page

.

So no that's not valid either.

4. Because Fate and Para has a meta reason for their vote. Look at Para's retort, it's shows a duality in their meta relationship. Aka, Fate wants Para dead, like ABR strives to kill DGB.

5. I thought the votes were shifted, not mismatched. I read it was shifted 2 spots down.

6. My information is mod derived. Hence the Alice in Wonderland Note comment. Hence the role information claim. Hence the mod said to me there is a mafia god father in the game. What more do I need to say.

Edit: See this? Fate isn't alone.

are you really going to pick and choose from my quote? right before my post 85 i said i was stupid and i messed up on the purpose of plum's selfvote. i didnt realize that the vote was being bumped down two players.

Your thoughts Ice? Are you an ass. Or are you a scummy ass.

7. Dick. Cunt. Fuck. Cock. I must mention some form of these swears in my PR. You sir are a dick who wants to fuck a cunt, but ends up with cock in stead.

AKA. You are a self loathing homophobe who can't even face the music when you hire a rent boy to lift your luggage.

That enough for you?

@MO
Yes, MO you are illiterate. You are also a mother fucking illiterate son of a bitch because Beholder answered your question:

<5> Rule 4 will be updated if any new groups can be worshiped or groups are removed.

Also you do realize I'm attacking SK because I find him scummier then you with his god flipflop nonsense of crap. He's a scummy cunt muncher. You're just as bad.

Your mom is scummy. Almost as scummy as calling someone's RVS vote scummy, but not as scummy as calling someone scummy and not voting them.

This makes you number 2 for being so angry at the Tar vote. What happened to voting Tar because he inspired this game? Huh huh? I'm pretty sure we're past the RVS stage once we started scum hunting.

Your vote, at scum hunting stage, is scummy because it just backtracks onto Tar for policy. This isn't mind screw big buddy.

FoS: MO

Forgot my vote must be in red:

Vote Plum

[DTMaster]

The themes are gods and men. I'm a man (girl). Flavour is from everywhere. I'll name claim because this is going to distract the town from the scummah players with flavour analysis..

I'm Hitgirl from Kickass

.

[DTMaster]

OH FUCK I DIDN"T SWEAR IN MY LAST POST. FUCK FUUCK.

EBWOP: FUCK!

[DTMaster]

Oh well, if I get a rules infraction it'll confirm my PR. Cunts. Onwards to the scum hunting.

[DTMaster]

Chrono. You played with Fate. We played with Fate. He's known for his douchbaggery. You mother fucking dick.

Do you think he's playing diffrently from his other games? Huh. HUHUUUUUHHHHHH? I don't see much differences in this game so far.

[DTMaster]

Tar vote was random vote. Then moved because voting shenanigans were revealed. But then moved to you since you're this huge cloud of white noise and I don't buy your PR so you're a better spot for it.

So you RVSed after this:

Good day. This is the Zorblag head of Mighty Orbots. You'll be able to tell which posts are mine because I sign them among various other reasons if you have even a passing familiarity with the posting styles of Papa Zito and I. You're welcome to ask questions of me personally (I respond to Zorblag, Zorb, Zor, Z and Troll fairly well) as well as the Mighty Orbots account in general. Papa Zito is largely going to be in charge of casting our votes though I'll be giving him input both in the thread (to a small degree) and in our hydra quick topic (to a much greater degree) as the game goes.

If you've got any questions about my play you can look at all my past games in my wiki. There are links the couple games Mighty Orbots has been in down just about the quotes section.

@SpyreX, the explanation of the vote shift is nice. Am I to take it from what you said that the votes are treated as an ability as far as you know? Or are you saying that all abilities as well as votes are shifted by two players? Does the shift apply to passive abilities and reactive abilities as well as active (I think the answer to that should be obvious but I'd like to confirm.)

@Albert B. Rampage, one scum group made of gods (probably of different pantheons) with 4 members and one of other types (and possibly one divinity leading it) of 5 seems like it could fit the game size and flavor. I'd assume that there's at least one player/faction that's neither town nor mafia but I don't see why I'd have to assume scum for that at this time. If you want to bend the game to your will at the start it's fine with me so long as you get reactions from the players. That's why I like you in a game anyhow and I don't have any good reason to pick some group to worship based on information that I've got right now anyhow. I don't need to trust you to give you some power and see what you do with it.

@ortolan, your entrance to the game is pretty interesting. At some point discussing it will be a good idea; if you're convinced that's not now I can wait.

Fate's initial play is probably too ballsy for scum though I don't know his play well.

I expect SaintKerrigan to find this post suspicious just because I'm the one making it and it's how he reacts to me.

I'd like it if no one was allowed to slip through the cracks participation-wise. I will be taking lurking as scummy; the rest of you can object to that if you like.

Iecerint is perhaps a bit long on talk about the game and filler rather than suspicion but it is clearly a complicated game. He does get some content in with some of his latter posts and although I'm not sure I agree with his directions I can live with it. I don't think he's a good lynch at this time.

rajrhcpfreak on the other hand does look like a nice place to build a bandwagon based on the little I see.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

You epxlain your Hydra. You name some scummy/townie reads. You say Saint Kerrigan is scummy. THen you do this:

unvote: Tarhalindur
vote: SpyreX

Still want a Tar wagon. This kind of crap is his fault.

I am Delirium/Delight of the Endless

! I JUST used that role in a game on another site. Although as a Dreaming God-style, not whatever this is.

Re: ABR. I read War in Heaven so I'm leery of him running anything. Just be Very Useful and we're cool.

The amount of noise in six pages is incredible. P.S. Don't buy the DTM PR. uhhhhhh need moar data.

RVS but you don't vote SK who you call scummy? Yes. Good job on the backtrack. Nice job. Voting for the RVS over your scummy read.

Unvote
Vote Fate (which is MO)

Kill the lying back tracking mother fucker.

[DTMaster]

^^ For a guy who went: Oh shit I missed something. You're behaving like a limp dick, or at least a guy who thinks with his limp dick.

[DTMaster]

@Chronopie
I just name claim dickwad. I'm the reason of rule 19.

Suck it up or replace out if you're squeamish. I'm not breaking my PR just so your stomach can handle my posts. I'm scum hunting. I'm analyzing. Have a problem with my role? Then leave so your moral high grand stays protected from plain old words.

Your complaints are ignored.

[DTMaster]

@Ice/Chrono
Truth be told I'm having more fun with my PR. So if I sound like a bitch, it's because I'm trying my hardest to sound like a self conceited bitch with over zealous sexual metaphors.

Onto the DTManalysis = Ice.
1. The illiterate comment in your 1-2 category, hence the names. But like I said, this is still early game, weak "anti-town arguments" are a start and I expect lots of cross analysis within this game.

2. Actually his latest post is more revealing of that, and I'm leaning towards your argument right now. Even though Fate could have skipped the early posts, with the recent vote it does read as him skipping the latest posts.

Not reading = active lurking = yay scum tactic.

2.b Self note I want to share: Sometimes scum likes to reveal their own actions to gain townie points. There's a thing as finding it too early. It's bothersome to note the vote count within 2 pages of a vote.

If the shift is scum derived, I would start looking at Nikanor atm.

3/ Yes partially, and mainly since other people haven't read. Your thoughts on Raj for example?

4. Wait, you're not making a case on Fate? You're just calling who scummy now? What's the point of your attack on Fate if you're just going to back track here. Ice doesn't have balls. I don't like this.

The town Ice I know generally has balls to stick to his current reads and scum hunt and not majorly backup here

.

I don't like this.

5. K.

6. See above.

[DTMaster]

@MO
Because you're pushing that your Tar vote is a RVS vote, shown by the recent response in the first quote. I'm pushing you because

You RVSed after you already called out scum calls. Why aren't you pursuing those scummy reads on SK if you are going to Vote Tar out of randomness? Huh huh? Again see my argument of Ice

You don't have the balls nor male genetllia, known as a dick, to attack SK. You're back tracking with the Tar vote. Now you're skirting around with your vote on me.

What does that look like? You scum, calling SK scum, as scum buddies.

What doesn't it look like? You town, scum hunting people. You're nothing following up on your scum reads.

By you I mean both PZ and Troll. Together. I don't care if PZ has separate reads from you. You're the hydra. You work it out since that's your team or what ever you call yourselves.

From my POV, blaming your vote on PZ and blaming the lack of coordination due to your scum reads and trying to justify PZ's vote reads as: guy who's trying to cover their tracks.

I'm sure PZ has brains. I know he's a smarter player then this. He's not going to RVS with juicy discussion going on.

[DTMaster]

Good luck Kai. Hope that interview goes well and you beat out the cunts who you're competing against.

[DTMaster]

I don't like it when the Chrono agrees with me, particularly since hes on the: kill the mother fucking person list with his play. (AKA He's scummy and should be roped)

But Troll is scummier ATM. Focusing on that.

[DTMaster]

But aren't geting heat for doing something Fate did? Hmmmmmm. Ice your dick is ascending into your body. You're not putting your foot down. I don't like this. Not one bit.

[DTMaster]

EBWOP: Isn't. Also. Fuck EBWOPS. I hate doing them. But they;re so useful.

[DTMaster]

The Whys are Missing to Mo, Mina, Spy, ABR (ish, kinda see it), Ice (see bellow). Explain the Whys to your reads to the following people. Also:

What post made you think Ice's post is off J-Scope cock sucker.

[DTMaster]

Ice. Our debate isn't about the fucking RVS. Here. Go back.

Re: Fate, from his post, it looks like he's intending to vote ani (=DS). So it looks like he's voting his suspect rather than the fellow 2 above the fellow. Hence, not understanding the rules in some way. I did notice his second point, but interpreted it as like cosmic dramatic irony or some unknown mechanic due to his vote for DS appearing serious.

The only point of the vote mechanic ability (as far as we know) is to create confusion about vote targets. Up to a point, it is reasonable to be confused, but after that point, your behavior is anti-town at best, either because:

1. You are not reading.
2. You have poor reading comprehension.
3. You are scum overestimating how long it reasonably takes town to figure shit out and are consequently overshooting.
4. You are scum trying to bring confusion.

See this, you're calling out Fate for being a non reader illiterate son of a bitch/whore. 1-3 represents in Fate's vote you attack his non-reading of the vote mechanic. 4 you attack Fate for his "lack of understanding of the vote mechanic" by bringing confusion.

1. Of course the first two aren't scumtells; that's why I explicitly indicate that the list indicates "anti-town at best" explanations. I say this in the sentence before the bit you quoted. Nice misrep.

2. "Doesn't know about the vote counts" is OK on page 2 or 3. It starts to look fake when it happens on page 4 and things were figured out on page 2. Also, your example is basically the same as my (1), so your implication that I ignored it or something is another misrep.

3. I know it because it was incredibly obvious upon looking at the VC on the first page. Any idiot reading the thread could figure it out. Niki and I noticed it immediately. That makes me wary of all these "OOPS GUYS" people who come trudging through the door on page 4.

4. I have to explain to you why a bunch of players Voting for people they don't really intend to vote for ("or not") would cause confusion? Rolling Eyes

5. As for that last part...you do understand that SX's ability mismatches vote targets with who gets the votes...right? Or is that suspicious for some other reason?

Also was your note information mod-derived?

See this. You're attacking fate for not knowing about the shifting mechanic. You're not attacking him for his RVS.


STARRED ***

1. Fate was pretty par-for-the-course in the only game I've played with him. But I'll keep that in mind.

I dunno what you mean by "just calling him names." If anyone is guilty of style-over-substance, it's you (cf. that whole set of paragraphs, with your very cute erectile dysfunction extended metaphor).

2. Incidentally, I have found scum during RVS twice. But somehow we lost overall both times. Go figure.

Also, the post didn't look like RVS to me. It looked like a botched attempt to look ignorant of the vote mechanism. BUT even if you don't take that, claiming that his next two votes were someone *also* RVS is totally O.o IMO.

(Also, it was page 4 IIRC, so I dunno what's up with that page 2 business.)

3. OK, so this is how this went:

Iec: God, at this point it's just scummy to pretend you don't know what's going on. Get with the program, people.
DTM: OMG HOW U NO THAT IS CUZ YR SKUM RITE?
Iec: Um, no. I used a technique called "reading."
DTM: OH WELL I DIDN'T READ PAGE 1. SO THERE. YOUR ARGUMENT IS INVALIDATED.

If you refer to my original list, this would put you in category (1) at best.

4. My 1-4 list wasn't describing Fate's situation per se. It was describing reasons why players in general might keep "messing up" as late as page 4. And again, I'll keep the meta angle in mind, but it's not like that was even his first vote.

5. k

6. Why are you being such a bitch? You could've gotten information from another player, for example.

I kinda ignored raj's post tbh. This is fast fast fast and you are keeping me from studying cardiac physiology. I'll go back and look.

Hey, Hey, Hey, Hey, Ice. You scummy cock sucker. You know why I pointed to Raj. That post he said on page, what was it, 5,6 he missed the vote mechanic.

What was your argument on Fate again? Oh yeah he's playing dense and is intentionally playing dumb so that he confuses the town by "faking his vote" and faking" his confusion". Raj is let off the hook right now, and he fulfils your list of "scummy/antitown" persons.

SX too with his vote. (gonna double check since you pointed out SX)

HEY LAZY ASS HOLE. START SCUM HUNTING FOR REAL OR I'LL BURN YOU AT THE STAKE AND RIP YOUR COCK OUT WITH MY BARE HANDS

Interlude

2b. I guess so, but it personally occurred to me so quickly that I didn't think much of it.

3. I AM GETTING TO IT. Actually I tried for a moment and I was like GOD CANNOT HANDLE THIS SENTENCE STRUCTURE so I stopped. But I'll do it whenever there is a lull.

4a. When I saw Fate do what he did (as I interpreted it, I mean -- pretend to not know what was going on), I made a list of other reasons why he might have been confused about voting on page 4. "Scum promoting confusion" (e.g. making an environment with lots of YOU DO THIS/GOD YOU ARE SO DUMB DO THIS-type content instead of scumhunting) was on the list. My main argument was that Fate was a type (3) player (faking lack of knowledge to look town, but going too far), or an anti-town one.

For the record, that's also how I see Els's request that we share who we intend to worship, ESPECIALLY considering that he first wanted us all to vote on whether we should share said information first. Huge timesuck.

ABR is different maybe because he is apparently either God or Satan or whatever.

4b. Nah, I'm totally a wimp. Or that's how I perceive myself. The only time I do much is when I manage to confirm myself, which is curiously frequent.

Hey SX, could you ask whether your ability applies to votes *and* lynches? Like, will the player 2 slows below the lynched player (4 slots below the player we all vote for) be the one who dies? This approaches bastard mod territory, but I wanna get that out there.

2. My argument is better. Your's not. See above.

AKA My argument: Fate is active lurking.
Your argument: Fate didn't read.

B. Hence the clause.

3. See above ( specifically in the starred post that I quoted)

4.A. You're arguing that

Fate knows about the confusion in the vote mechanic? aka he lies about it? then.

Why can't it be idiot person who skipped ahead and didn't read about the shift. We have 2 people (including fate) who just admitted to it. Raj and and Fate. (maybe 3 with SX)

You're letting SX and Raj off with not knowing about the vote mechanic. Why not fate? Huh huh? (see starred post)

4b. See starred post on how failed your scum hunting is. You're tunneling on Fate right now. Admit it.

[DTMaster]

The Whys are Missing to Mo, Mina, Spy, ABR (ish, kinda see it), Ice (see bellow). Explain the Whys to your reads to the following people. Also:

What post made you think Ice's post is off J-Scope cock sucker.

Not missing, just not there.

I just explained the SpyreX read though,read better cock sucker. Actually not sure if calling hit girl cock sucker...never mind. Also you don't see the Spy townieness shining through?

As for the others they're gut for the most part. No post, in particular for Iec, just his posting in general. Your reasons for voting MO are bad though.

Also J-scope = me, sorry. And this site is being so fucking slow. Ugh. Sooner we move.

Spy is playing normally. That doesn't mean he's townie (actually that cunt muncher is one of my better reads because he's playing normally).

But the fact that you listed out so many people without Whys, and just admitted to not having reasons made you scummier.

Way to play the crowd scum. Cock fucking scum. Yes you heard me, you fuck those tiny little holes while you slip in with those comments and follow the crowd.

With lurkers, you deal with them as they come. It's a bit early to start focusing on potential lurkers when it's only been like 18 hours or something. Asshole.

[DTMaster]

Talking to fucking Ice. Unless I'm misreading the post I quoted says you didn't know that.

I know for sure Raj doesn't know about the vote mechanic because he admitted in the fucking thread.

[DTMaster]

Ice. The point I was making was: You do realize that your arguments apply multiple people but you're not spear heading those arguments on them. You're just tunneling on fucking Fate.

Tl:dr question: Why Fate? Over Raj?

@Faraday
Sorry, I stopped processing your post when you said:

Not missing, just not there.

In response to the reads.

Ok in the spirit of gut, I'll accept it, except you ignored the question on your Ice point. Which post bugged you?

Gut reads are triggered from a post that you read. Which one bugged you again?

[DTMaster]

Or maybe you should just get your head out of your ass and play the game like a normal person instead of spazzing out over every vaguely scummy thing.

Umm. Wut. Let me outline something for you.


See this cunt. "draws a cunt". This is the scummy post/topic/etc.

See this dick. "draws a dick. This is me shoving it in was I try and nail scum.

See your argument? Your point is?

If you're calling me out on scum hunting? So what? If you're calling me out on something else, have some balls and say it.

[DTMaster]

@Manho

You are a ho. Literally.

Point 1. You don't vote Ice for calling him scum on your reads. Scummah cock sucker!

Point 2.

as for the worship thing, i don't have any preference. but i would like someone to tell me who he is voting for.

Who is he? Referring to coordinating the town for specific gods? Or referring to specific players.

@Para
1. Oh on your fate vote. So it's a real vote ><;

@Mina
1.

@Mighty Orbots: why do you think that DTMaster might be faking his posting restriction? (Upon reading closely, I think his attack on you for not voting SK was a blatant misrep--maybe I take back the "leaning town"--but you seem to have pulled this out of nowhere.)

Whoa, if you agree with him, obviously that train of logic doesn't follow with: "but you seem to pull this out of nowhere". You're either criticizing me, MO, or both of us and going the middle ground.

This post reads as insane buddying.

2. Um. I'm going to be classy by pointing to Starbuck's post on rule 19 a. Screw it:

Cocks and Cunts are my metaphoric bread and butter. The meanings on how I use them represent the arguments that fill the bread and butter to make it into an awesome sandwich. Then you look at the fruit of your work and hope to put it together so that it's tasty, and you kill scumz. (and make a good sandwich, nom nom nom)

3. Whoa.

Do you mean that Ortolan and DTMaster would be confirmed town (although Iec seems to have read it the opposite way)?

This is a bad assumption. If you flip town, doesn't mean either Ortolan or DTM are town. If you flip scum, though, it's more likely that DTM and/or Ortolan are scum.

Personally I don't think the questioning the recruitment thing is indicative of scum with the links to the new players. (see Spy).

@ABR
Except I believe there might be a single faction because I was told there was a mafia god father. Not mafia (faction) god father.

@Fate
Gasp. We are totally, not

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/fun rainbow colors.

@Nikanor
1. Art is slow.

@God Theory.
Self note: Make a list of people who oppose the gods. Iso them. Scum are likely to try and screw with things they don't know about (ie, oppose coordinating worships). If the gods are determined to be independent from scum, then we should shoot the opposers with fire.

It's the same idea as Universe Mafia. Scum want to make unique game mechanics fearful for the town, so they won't use it. Game mechanics are put into games for a reason. In Universe mafia, it's teleporting and splitting up scum groups. Gods, well we'll find out.

@VC

26 Iecerint (1) - Parama, Mighty Mighty Mighty Orbots
27 Ortolan (0) -
28 DTMaster (2) - Elscouta

TOWN STOP: ELSCOUTA ARE YOU A VOTE STEALER YOU SCUMMY SCUMMY SCUMM ???

(see in the vote count)

Parama, MO, DON"T VOTE. WE ARE FINDING THE PERSON WHO IS VOTELESS. PARMA CHANGED HIS VOTE, SO DON"T CHANGE IT.

7 Fate (2) - Chronopie, DTM

Huhuhuhuh, I thought the votes are shifted?

[DTMaster]

@MO
V.V. You listed scum reads before your RVS. Then you said that I was unfairly attacking your RV because of the difference between PZ and Troll on how they control said Hydra.

And that's just a weak argument? No, because RV voting after analysis is always weak. Both you (troll) and PZ had 6 pages of analysis when you made the RV. Use it, or get attacked for it. 6 pages of discussion that started from page 2 with explosive arguments.

If you are calling my scum hunting scummy, then just go fuck yourself. The end.

[DTMaster]

Except we has a hidden player:

19 SpyreX (0) -
20 Katy (0) -
21 Tarhalindur (1) -

Dram, I don't care about your squeamish little cock. If you don't like my posts then go the fuck away. I'm going to play this game regardless how you guys handle my PR.

Be more like MO/Ice who's trying to scum hunt me. Be less like scummy-chrono who complains about my PR.

Dram shot up on my scumometer.

[DTMaster]

Actually its probably

@Mod

Is the VC accurate or is the fucking error in it

[DTMaster]

@SK

1.I thought I was clear but I'll reread to see if I missed a question. V.V I basically said it's not an excuse to blame your fucking vote/scum hunting discrepancies when both PZ and Troll are experienced players.

Aka. I don't buy the excuse.

@MO: You might be an hydra and all, but if the troll half puts an idea forward and the Zito half jumps the otehr way you sure as hell have better have a good explanation other than "hydra, pay no mind"

Dram says it better then me.

2. [/quote="SK"]If scum belong to one of the god factions, they get benefits from being part of the majority-worshiped god factions. They may be able to influence where worship votes go, whether through persuasion, role-related ability, or otherwise. The point is, we have no idea yet how scum can influence worship votes, and making it easier for them to know where worship votes are going just sounds like a recipe for disaster. [/quote]

I don't buy this simply because, we don't know what the gods do. Yes they (scum) could be a god faction (or all the gods are scum or something), no we don't know that. If we all worship to the gods of day vigs, we all might become day vigs. But do we really know that? I donno. Would it be cool, yes!.

I expect healthy doses of criticism and paranoia of the worship votes, but if we can use it to confirm an entire faction as town, then we should use the mechanic. It exists for a reason and I expect there to be some resemblance of balance in it.

Posts like these read as scum paranoid of the unknown, rather town, skeptical of the unknown. Squelching potential powerups is a priority for the former.

3. Vote thief stuff is wrong. Just a counting error and me just waking up. So ignore it.

@Dram
1.Trust me, me being an Ass makes a Kinetic Happy (and I hope giggle a little). Ignore the Ass and go straight for the balls of my posts:

are my scum hunting points good?

2. If you don't like my posts because of the swears, ignore them. Calling me out on being offensive is just plain rude. Yes I wrote that to make it intentionally ironic.

@Nikanor
I still don't understand your point or criticism (missed your comment) still. What the hell is the issue with my post? Am I scummy? Do you agree with my points?

If you're arguing for the sake of arguing that my posts are offensive, read rule 19. If you are like Chrono (and now Dram) you can just suck it.

[DTMaster]

@EL
well it looks more like Dram is voteless, but I think it's just an error (see his quote) Kathy has 0 when Dram is 2 spots above Kathy voting for her/him/it.

[DTMaster]

@Ice/Mina
"shurgs at the recruit setup". I'd leave it up to scum hunting and posts. The argument about whether the recruit is scum or not is circling around nowhere. Simply put, there isn't enough fucking information to judge me (being recruited) and Ort (who appears to be recruited but hasn't claimed that) based on the fact we joined the game later then everyone else.

In my case you use it to establish links, and then determine scumminess. You don't determine scumminess based on the fact that I'm linked to someone here.

@Ice
You do realize that if you're arguing for anti-towness, you're not arguing for someone's scumminess. Everything that is scummy is also anti town. But everything that is anti-town isn't necessarily scummy. Take VIs, it's detrimental to the town. But that's dependent on skill level, not in terms of the player's scuminess.

"sigh". Don't want to repeat that argument, but there are things that still bother me. The whole "anti-town" statement looks like a backdoor argument out of that mess.

Which brings me to question: Where you even scum hunting with your analysis on Fate? Or where you just pointing out "anti-town things" just because.

Your posts on Fate go from this:

@ Zor, I don't see Fate's initial-initial play as gutsy at all. It's defensive and paranoid. His RVS vote is perfunctory (or scummy, but we'll take his universe). His next post, "Parama is scum because he thinks I'm 3rd party," is worse. His FOLLOWING post, "Chrono is scum for voting me," manages to be yet-worse.

His claim to want to worship the Old Gods is an attempt to recontextualize his play as "silly" rather than "scummy"

His lame "your reluctance to share with the town is noted" to someone who didn't want to answer ABR's question is just bullying. I'm not sure about ABR or SK one way or the other, though.

The only gutsy bit IMO is the very recent "I know something you don't" thing about ABR. It does give me pause a little but idk.

And Justifying it as Anti-town once the heat turns up.

Re: Fate, from his post, it looks like he's intending to vote ani (=DS). So it looks like he's voting his suspect rather than the fellow 2 above the fellow. Hence, not understanding the rules in some way. I did notice his second point, but interpreted it as like cosmic dramatic irony or some unknown mechanic due to his vote for DS appearing serious.

The only point of the vote mechanic ability (as far as we know) is to create confusion about vote targets. Up to a point, it is reasonable to be confused, but after that point, your behavior is anti-town at best, either because:

1. You are not reading.
2. You have poor reading comprehension.
3. You are scum overestimating how long it reasonably takes town to figure shit out and are consequently overshooting.
4. You are scum trying to bring confusion.

Still keeping my eye on you.

@Dram
You whine when you see my swears. Then question me about the reduced swearing? V.V. I'd call you a cocksucker but in your case that's a compliment. So I'll throw you some Vagoos to scare the Dram away. "throws Vagooooos"

@Els
Is UK an influence? / Are you a UK alt? !!!

@MO
1.Sorry, I misread your point on SK:

@ortolan, your entrance to the game is pretty interesting. At some point discussing it will be a good idea; if you're convinced that's not now I can wait.

Fate's initial play is probably too ballsy for scum though I don't know his play well.

I expect SaintKerrigan to find this post suspicious just because I'm the one making it and it's how he reacts to me.

I'd like it if no one was allowed to slip through the cracks participation-wise. I will be taking lurking as scummy; the rest of you can object to that if you like.

Iecerint is perhaps a bit long on talk about the game and filler rather than suspicion but it is clearly a complicated game. He does get some content in with some of his latter posts and although I'm not sure I agree with his directions I can live with it. I don't think he's a good lynch at this time.

rajrhcpfreak on the other hand does look like a nice place to build a bandwagon based on the little I see.

SK should be attacking you, according to this post. You on the other hand find raj a good starting point to begin scum hunting (Seen in bold). Replace SK in my arguments to Raj

Then the transpiration:

MO Attacks Raj, says it's a good start. -> RV Tar because -> Troll tries to cover up that Tar was a simple RV -> Argue argue argu.

Point still valid on detail, Dram's attack sums it better then me. "Ignore the votes due to the other Hydra player" is a poor excuse with people of both your caliber of skill.

2. If you weren't following the people who approved of me then I'd be dissipointed in your scum hunting. If you were genuinely scum hunting then I'd expect you to establish links or establish other persons as scum.]

@Manho
1. So deity factions. Well, judging by the last deity vote split.

Worship Results:
Norse Gods: 25%
The Great Old Ones: 25%
Egyptian Gods: 25%
Judeo-Christian Angels: 25%

Gods and god aligned factions are equaled out.

Theory: This means that we have equal amounts of god-aligned people in each faction as it stands and/or gods. This also means that people who claimed to: "I would worship X deity" over "I (have to) worship X deity" don't have specific requirements to worship a deity.

I have a feeling that ungod aligned people didn't worship last night (As I claimed), which brought the even split.


@Mina.
1.Your ortolan case is ok. Except it's based on one post over 1 day. ><;. So here's my arguments to debunk some of yours.

Sorry to spam the thread, but @Faraday on the ortolan case: Basically, ortolan doesn't do much in that one post beyond make safe comments on the set-up and follow the crowd on Fate.

Not completely true. Ortolan analyzed other players as well.

vote: Plum

there is a couple of people i already see rising on my scumdar but someone not helping at all and selfvoting is someone that needs to be removed asap.

Scummy. She implied in her post she had a pro-town reason for self-voting and yet you're voting her "for being unhelpful" i.e. actually being scummy which is illogical and opportunistic. Not that I disapprove of her lynch if she wants to be lynched but your stated reason for voting her is not well reasoned.

The response to Raj expands his other scum read on him and his town read on Plum. I don't see much tunneling on Fate with analysis like this.

Saint Kerrigan and Chronopie are more guilty in these posts:

Unvote: rajrhcpfreak.
Vote: Dramonic.

(Fate)

What's with all the OMGUS?

@ Plum: Serious vote for me or no?

SK posted this after Ice attacked Fate for this already. This is more of a scummy piggy back then Ortolan.

4 pages overnight, nice guys.

Vote: Dramonic

(Fate)

Considering that there had been several VCs before Fate's posting, not-reading-thread-is-a-scumtell vote. Also, why the scum claim?

--

Raj is next on the not-reading-etc list.

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I think we should hold off until later in the day before casting worship votes, but if I had to vote now, it would either be Egyptian or Norse, they have the coolest mythologies.

This is piggy backing of Ice's point about Fate's vote. However its levels above SK's attack considering Chrono also includes the "scum claim" argument. Its much more on the plate, however he drops it quickly to change his vote for MO. I dislike this.

Ortolan has made reads on people, and provided logic behind it. It's more then the "gut players" or general: I'm here posts being made atm.

2. Lurking arguments don't take place over 2 days in a hyper active/inflated game. It might read as ages occuring, this game only lasted for less then 48 hours.

Take into account work/school/social life and time zone diffrences, you should wait. If you're worried about active lurkers

Use this: http://www.msutils.net/search.php

I just searched Ortolan and the last time he's been on the site was in this game. So he's not active lurking, and it hasn't been long enough to consider him lurking.

EDIT: He made a post (this wall was an ongoing project)

His posts discredit me and bring credit to the Ortolan case. Yay!. What's interesting is:

Ortolan claims he cannot worship :p

The rest is meh, and more meh, and less insight into Orto's thinking.

@Totallynotmafia.
What are your scum reads?

Because, despite answering mechanic and theory questions, you're not actually scum hunting in that recent post. Not at all. I'm giving you a reprieve since its a 12 page catchup, but your next post is a analysis or die post.

Cunts.

@Ice/Nik/Spy
Reread 355. That's not a scum post. Analysis and attempting to draw reads = uber town tell of high heavens. Lynching for information is terribad demonstrated in Brr mafia, where the town lynched town reads for information.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13337

Nik was scum in that game, so him pushing for the lynch is ok. When you go by: I think he;s town but if you kill him its lots of bandwagon info, you generate lynching fodder for the VIs that agreed with it for scum.

Now lynching scummy peoples, that's awesome :3.

@Kai
Ouch. That supervisor is a scummy fucker, who probably can't get some to save his life.

@Spy
OIC. That explain lots now.

@Tar
Disclose when ever you are comfortable bitch.

@J-Scope
You should be shot shot shot shot shot shot with posts like 335 when you list a bunch of reads earlier, but you don't expand on your Ice read via scum hunting. He's your big scum read, do something.

Otherwise, I'd totally shoot this guy to high heavens as fucking scum coasting along.

@Nik
1. If Parama is scum, can we lynch him now?
2. If Parama is scum, can the vig shoot him now?

If there's no more reason to delay a lynch on scum who someone got a result or something of that nature.

Vote: ooba (Par par should totally die)

PS. I commented later I was wrong.

I think I covered everything. If I missed something point it out plz k thanks.

My short list of people that should die:

Parama (Nikanor's claim), SK, MO (dropped down to, person who should be investigated but I'd totally block that too), Jscope

EDIT:

Tarhalindur is 110% town with that claim and I have a chainsaw waiting for the first moron who has the balls to step up and say "SOUNDS LIKE LYNCHER/3RD PARTY ROLE!"

SOUNDS LIKE USURPER!

why wait until day 4?

I guess we could do it on like, day two. Just in case Parama is the godfather. It was more an arbitrary number than anything else.

Wait what? If Parama is the GF why would you want to wait? It confirms my role information. It'd confirm Tar's role. It'll kill scum. How the hell did Parama is scum become Parmama is GF in the first place >>;, I thought you claimed he was just scum.. That's such an odd statement right there.

If you have something that is a scum result on Parama and you're worried about sanities/role mechanics/shifts we should like nip this in the bud earlier. Spy already confirmed shifting due to his ability.

Anyways, Usurper would be found out the moment the GF dies and Tar lynches him. And the Usurper is scum himself. I'd rather role confirm via normal scum hunting just cause it's fucking confirmable.

@Alter
Dear gods: I want unlimited day vig powers. Please grant them to me or I'll trap you in a Pen with DeathNote. It'll be like fucking a needle

[DTMaster]

@Para
1. You're not affected by the shift? Because that vote would go onto Faraday if you're affected by the shift.

2. Also, If Nikanor has a scum result on you, I don't see why we shouldn't vote you. I don't see the point in delaying unless we have a question of sanity here and if Nikanor took into account abilities are shifted.

3. Your retort just makes me want to fucking lynch you more, considering you're attacking me for following the claimed scum on you, rather then questioning the sanity. It makes Nikanor's result more credible with posts like that and makes him, the threat, seem more dangerous to you, the scumz.

@Ice
1. The Mina thing was response to the debate you two were having. :S. My 2 cents on that.

2. If no one could worship last night, that means equal numbers for each god factions atm.

[DTMaster]

@MO

Dude, I did break my fucking PR. I swore in all my posts except 1, which I got a formal warning. So what? Yay you caught me getting a warning.

1. In my Name claim Ass is a swear and it's part of Kickass, so that part is moot.
2. The second one is when I got my warning.
3. I EBWOPed out of one of them in mistake, which makes Beholder a kind and lenient mod.

[DTMaster]

You know what, the argument between Nikanor and Parama is funny. Makes me think that they're different god factions rather then scum hunting. The whole 3rd party is a fucking weird argument to be tossed around between them :<.

[DTMaster]

Huh, Parama. The former is wrong because Nikanor didn't recruit me. The latter implies you should be fucking voting him rather then me. Interesting. My vote stays.

[DTMaster]

"Snickers" Scum loves fucking with 3rd parties. "Tee hee" it gives them a chance to scum hunt and mean it.

[DTMaster]

GAH. I FUCKING LOST MY POST. GOING TO RAGE OUTSIDE THEN COME BACK TO REDO IT. :<<<<<<<<

[DTMaster]

@MO
1. If you break a fucking PR, obviously I lose my role powers for the night. Duh, are you a fucking idiot? It's like with any PR you lose your powers for the night, and if it gets serious, I get mod killed to high heavens.

2. The insults stopped because people where QQing about swears and profanity.

3. Ass works apparently.

4. Read my response to Parama

5. You're putting way too much work into this case. This gives a good feeling, because it's insane tunneling, with the worthy passion of a thousand suns.

I'd still investigate you though.

@Parama/MO

Technically Nik is scum since he's cult or SK or something. And it's funny hearing that from you.

1. Meta is a valid argument. I should have used it more.

Take for example Disgeia Mafia. I had Gayle (Cirno) shitting bricks because she was using the same scum meta as Universe Mafia. Until I dropped the meta argument with this attitude. Probably would have saved some headaches if I pursued it more.

Meta is valid, but Parama has more against him then "just" meta.

2. The above doesn't read as Parama taking Nik's argument as silly meta.

3. This reads as a chain saw on Nik, by attacking me for voting Parama. Two for the price of one, YaY!.

4. Have you seen this quote made by Parma?

If Nikanor has a scum result on me then he's totally lying. DTM continuing to vote me after saying Nikanor's arguments make no sense is total hypocrisy, whee.

unvote, vote: DTMaster

Super-FoS: orto, Elscouta, Nikanor

Nikanor is also 3rd party like Fate is, but we don't need to lynch Fate since he's harmless, while Nikanor is most definitely harmful.

Fate automatically jumps for the Nik is lying throat cutting action. It's a huge red flag against Parama. It's also fun because his vote is on me, but his mouth is fucking calling Nik a scummy, scummy, ass eater. "shrugs"

I was questioning Nikanor's scum -> GF speculation (reminds me I need to ask him again)

@SK
1. If scum has worship votes, while your theory is valid, the reverse is true. Scum can defer and make the game mechanics seem scary.Take Universe Mafia for example, and the ability to teleport players between games.

This mechanic was exploited to find scum, and separate scum groups. Scum didn't want this and argued that separating the scummy players would be too dangerous for the town. Shame though, that's how we won in Universe B and almost won in Universe A.

Your theory, while valid, doesn't read as cautious worshiping, it reads as paranoia. If these worship votes can confirm factions for us, we should bloody well use it. With your theory about scum changing worship votes, etc, etc, it just reads as insane paranoia.

Sure we shouldn't claim our worships in advance, but we'll deal with worship vote modifiers if they appear.

2.

Which reminds me of something -- due to Spyrex's ability, it's very likely that the lynch rolecop will be shifted down two places as well. Just something to keep in mind.

This is gold. Aside from Tar's role as the lyncher to the god father, the true reveal will be the most critical. But it's 2 cycles later (?) gonna reread that since its name -> sane role cop -> true reveal i believe.

3. Your OMGUS reasoning vote is dab in the middle of the Ice on Fate scum hunting actions. Hence a scummy vote because it looks like you just joined in on the wagon.

4. If I want you to die, it obviously means I think you're scummy and is worth being shot at.

Hence my new lists:

Shot = can swing from extremely scummy read to just extremely anti-town. In your case I'd shoot you for that vote because it's scummy in itself. Shot sometimes can be substituted for Lynch (See below), but in the case of lurkers, it's better to shoot anti-town extreme lurkers over lynching them.

Investigate = not so obvious, appears pro town but gut reads are off somewhere. would like to investigate said person

Lynch = slightly different from shot because this is reserved only for people who I think are scum. Shot has a harsher connotation, but lynch are my cream of the crop scum reads.

Break time. Need to respond to Mina/Nikanor and anything I missed atm. Fucking lost my post. Part 2 TBC.

[DTMaster]

@Percy
1. I know you come from the same vain as UK in terms of succinctness, like fucking god. If you fucking don't bother reading my posts,

it's bloody your fault and you ignore my scum hunting efforts

. You should be worried on

what I post, not how I post

If it'll make you feel better, I'll link rather then quote strip because I know how this bothers you from Disgeia. /personal rant and chance to swear.

PS. I'm reading your 527 am I? It's about the same length and same type of wall that you are complaining about. By your logic I should ignore it as well because it's too bothersome for me to read. Here is also a wall made by Starbuck or Ice This point deserves a DTM level insult attack combined with, my scumanalysis! Yay.

However, this really isn't an indicator of scuminess since it's de ja vu of a Disgeia. It's more so my personal rant. On to the actual stuff!

2. Spy/Nik/Starbuck aren't immune. I'll quote.

14 Elscouta (1) -
15 DarkStalker (0) - CryMeARiver, SaintKerrigan
16 Snow_Bunny (1) - SpyreX, Nikator, Starbuck
17 Nikanor (2) -
18 Mina (3) - dramonic
19 SpyreX (0) -
20 Katy (0) -

Count 2 down from that spot. 3 is on Mina. We might have an invis voter, or a double voter with some kind of shadow vote.

@Percy/SK
1. Question: How does deviating from a god faction find scum? I don't see why scum would lie about their worshiping, especially with the ambiguous nature of the 4 listed now. It doesn't mean that 1 god faction is scum. Also see my Albert 2.

(Theory: Gods are separate factions from men, and each worship faction is its own thing. But they don't have to be scum. Scum could be scattered as infiltrators, as in: a scum god, but town worshipers, etc...)

It'll be too easy, and not Tar enough if an entire faction was found out like that.

@SK
1. I'm not ignoring Nik, I took a break and put a self note to address Nik because I missed something. :S

@Ooba
1. Worship can benefit town/scum, we don't know this. See the number 2 in Albert.

@Ice
Whoa whoa whoa this is scummmdeeeeyyy. But Fate and Spy beat me to the punch. Ice, since when were we speed lynching someone? Also Ice? Why can't we bandwagon. I like people who are under pressure. Scum squirm lots under pressure, and you can see it in the panic in their eyes.

@Kathy
1. Whoa. You ignored, like the latter half of Nik's posts. Like his serious vote on Mina and his reaction fishing of Parama.

Your case on Nikanor is about as weak as a spent cock. I don't like it. It makes Ooba/Fate's case more credible on that triangle of scummmmmdar.

@Totally
1. :S I don't like your point about convoluting the game. There are 28 players. If more then half of them are active and each person posts once an hour, thats more then a page per person to post ratio.

2. If you let MO use this argument for himself, then every argument that back fires on MO can be escaped by: MY OTHER HYDRA DID IT. LOOK HE DIDN'T SIGN HIS NAME.

3. Wow.Chrono is scummy how for thinking those factions are cool? You didn't like it apparently. I take it as a weak bread crumb or some guy who's probably not aligned and is random worshipping. Since when did the Norse Gods or the Egyption gods become scummy for you to dislike someone worshiping them.

Like that's totally fucking, crazy and reeks of Paranoia beyond SK's level.

@Mina
1. About your wut? statement when I claimed there is a mafia god father and Nikanor/Parama calling each other 3rd party gods, see Albert 2. However with Albert revealing that they know each other, this theory is debunked.

The whole 3rd party thing was weird for both of them to throw at each other.

2. Forgot about this. J-scope has dropped down from shooting level and I'll reread Faraday now.

@Albert
1. I'd only claim when the time is right or if my recruiter wants me to. But by now my recruiter is painfully obvious. We share similar traits, quite literally. I have an awesome claim to back it up.

I'll give you a hint: good things happen when the god father gets lynched.

To make it more obvious: There is a reason why I know there is a Mafia Godfather in the game.

To make it even more obvious: Daddy. Duhh.

2. If the gods know each other it brings credit to: the worship is a separate function within the town, but not necessarily a division between scum/town where gods is one and men are the other. That and it's weird that I'm told there's only a mafia god father, rather then X Faction Mafia Godfather.

Aside: 2. Refer back to Defence of the Ancient Mafia and the council, you might have some gods who defected to be ebil.

Note to self: Finish responses to Raj/Dark/Mina/SK/Nik

Reread Starbuck/Kathy/ABR.

Revising shoot list: Upgrading Kathy to said list.

Going to work. Toodles.

Wondering what I did? I read backwords.

[DTMaster]

@Work, quick break

@SK
Ok, therefore before we reach a lynch, we should have everyone claim their worships to make this analysis work. Since I don't have a prefrence I'll worship the following deity using dice.

Original Roll String: 1d4

1 4-Sided Dice: (1) = 1

[DTMaster]

Norse gods win! Sending it in.

[DTMaster]

EBWOP: oh fuck. I typed too quickly without swearing! Nooooo Kinetic! Be kind to this cunt sucking hit girl!

[DTMaster]

@Faraday
1. Because sir, did you read Tar's claim? It's a huge soft claim to lyncher to God Fathers. Also Read Totally 4. This confirms my role because this should answer the question: why is DTM in this game. Finally it explains how both Tar and I know about the existence of the GF, and why I speculate there is a single faction.

2. That's huge back track to the Mina rolefishing argument. Like holy, it took you 23 pages to go back to this? I'd totally shoot Faraday just to see if he's scum trying to swing some suspicion onto Mina. But from who? Ice? Donno. But truthfully, I'd shoot Kat first then get a result before I'd shoot you.

3. WE HAVE FUCKING TRUE FLIPS. IT TAKES A CYCLE AFTER THE LYNCH ROLE COP. Actually we can verify claims with lynch role cops. Like if the role cop found the GF... its lynching time. :3

@Totally
1. <will answer or comment or something. Lost my train of thought self marker>

2.V.V. Why do you think I've been attacking MO. It's because I'm trying to differentiate that very issue. Hence why I said MO's recent tunnel case on me was townish because Troll/PZ is leading with heavily on his case. This is too passionate for scumz.

Also just because a hydra doesn't work well between two players, doesn't mean that you should give them extra leniency.

Besides: You'd think that after 6 pages where PZ posted his vote, he'd follow up on his partners reads. Or you'd think that PZ would assist Troll in the pressure, where Troll would scum huntz in the post.

Team work becomes essential to hydras, just like scumz, and just like town. Though, if you iso MO, he's more interested in finding out what happens when I break my PR, over scum huntingz. Which is why I'd still investigate him.

3. Wow, since

when can you tell us which gods are beneficial to the town

If you have information that leads to scum lynches, do claim please. Otherwise you're just as bad as SK.

ZOMG GODS CAN BE SCUMZ/ ZOMG GODS CAN EMPOWER TOWN. WAIT TILL THEY CLAIM. OH WAIT THEY CAN LIE, ZOMG WHAT TO DO. I can see cyclic arguments about the gods and powerups. Why don't we skip the whole debate and start testing which faction is beneficial you hear. Results are much stronger then chasing random shadows of nothing.

4. Yes I got beaten by the mod stick. Fucking Beholder made me lose my ability to talk to my recruiter in my QT. :<<<<<<. I QQ.

@Spy
1. You take one half of the lazy people, I'll assist in the other half. We'll have lots of fun beating them with pressure votes. Deal?

@Chrono
1. Your post reads: I have nothing to contribute. No, it fucking reads as: I have something, but I won't share until more people post so I can blend into the crowd better.

@Nikanor
Finally got around to you.

1. Why the hell did you speculate Parama GF? If you're going for a scum read, that's fine in your claim/pressure/etc. But to call him out on GFs? That's oddly specific.

2. You Ignored my questions in my last few walls. Why?

@Fate
1. Because awesome plan is slow. I don't care about awesome plan because the game will stall and scum will pretend to be ABR's sheep. I'd rather catch the scumz while ABR plans his awesome sauce, and use my worship as a reference point in his chart.

Scum huntz and awesome plan. I'll do the former. You can wait around for the latter.

@Kathy
Let's break your case down to 4 points.

1. The first RV. We both agree. Nothing biggy.

2. The second "RV" wasn't a vote. I'll let Nikanor answer this question, since it's directed to him, My interpretation (not a RV, more of a pressure)

3.SK vote. Now this is something. Explain to me the diffrence between Ice's point on Mina-scum linking to Ort-scum/DTM-scum and how it differs from Nikanor. How about Spy from Nikanor. Spy lead with the secret information theory. Ice fully explained the Mina link theory. But you seem to find them townier then Nikanor. I reread your whole issue with the lazy vote and:

I also disagree with your vote theory. Why can't you pressure someone with questions and votes? Why must you pressure someone? But only kill with votes.

Wouldn't the whole: if votes = death, and Mina gained votes because of her slip, be considered pressure to see how she behaves when she's going to die?

I don't see your logic in this. If you're saying that votes shouldn't be used for pressuring as here:

I actually thought SpyreX's list of contradictory posts on Mina was well thought-out, but I worse than Mina's contradictions is Nikanor's "I voted to see if Spyre would give out secret info." I think it's a bad and lazy vote - if you want someone to explain something, pressure THEM to explain it. If you want to place a vote you should place it to kill scum.

Anyway, I should be able to get fully caught up tomorrow and ready to decide who is really the scum here, after I figure out my top suspects and give them a closer read. I have lost my ID, and unless I find it by tomorrow night, I guess I will have time to post when I would otherwise be drinking.

You should also be attacking Spy because he voted Mina, and then explained why his vote was on Mina to find the secret info.

4. Finally I don't see how you find Parama townie in his response to either Nikanor or Me.

a. He directly called Nikanor a liar/scum/dangerous scum that should be lynched after the fake claim on the result. He did not question insanity, which is something a town would do. When scum feels like they are cornered, they fight back viciously, and Parama demonstrates that.

b. Despite calling Nikanor scum, Parama attacked me and voted me over the "dangerous scum" for following the "claim.ed action". Yes I questioned Nikanor in the same post, but I can vote and question at the same time.

c. Have you done a Parama Iso? All hes done is: Called Chrono scummy on gut, called NIkanor a liar, attacked me when I voted him, call more people scum, and then say that he's not scum hunting because there's too many posts. Like zomg 28 people, active game, too MUCH FOR HIM TO HANDLE because the town IS TALKING AND FUCKING USING THE THREAD FOR DISCUSSION. OH NOES THAT MEANS SCUM CAN'T HIDE BY LURKING BECAUSE THE ACTIVE PEOPLE WHO ARE MOST LIKELY TOWN ARE USING THE GREATEST WEAPON IN THE GAME: SCUM HUNTING ZOMG

I don't know, but he hasn't done anything to help convince me he's actually trying to find scum. I don't even see the case on me.

MO is going beyond the call of duty to crack me down, but Parama is the definition of laziness.

Note to self: Reply to Dark. Gonna need to do a reread but something felt off for some reason. Maybe it's because I'm tired atm. Finish list from before.

[DTMaster]

Spy

You know the whole point of people not worshipping, sounds fucking off. You'd think that since part of the plan is to analyze worship votes, you'd like to be in control of it. Then again there be scumz in the sheep of followers. Time to use the scum be gone spray.

[DTMaster]

@Fate
1. Nikanor didn't recruit me you fucking idiot. You're really dense about my bread, rolls on who's my recruiter. V.V. I could care less about ABR's plan at this moment because we have too many people sheeping their way around.

You still have lots of: "waiting for the ABR" peps, use them for make his awesome plan work awesomely.

2. Lol, I can call you town, just like I say MO has townie vibes via his attack on me. I'm getting bored of this wait. I'm making something happen. So you can screw yourself silly if you hate this.

3. I don't understand how ABR can't map votes if we claimed our targets. In fact I diced my vote. V.V. Given the 2 shift and if it applies
:

Norse Gods
Egyptian Gods
The Old Ones
Judea-Christian Angels

I think the old ones are in the lead with the claimed people to worship. Ooops. Forgot about that.

I thought the whole point of claiming worships was

to analyze the % so we can see who deviated from what faction, like a VC analysis, but using the worships. Then we'd see who was lying about worshipping, or who can change their worship votes contrary to the rules.

4. Spy mentioned this

Actually I'm a little miffed at the chicken/egg game we've got going:

It sure seems like a lot of people are sitting on their laurels until ABR busts out the MASTERPLAN.

ABR says no MASTERPLAN until people get off their laurels.

This circle needs to stop.

I wanted to break out of this. So there.

5. If you think the Norse worship voters are all scum, explain

my dice function

.

You think I rigged the dice to fall on Norse? Woooooooooooooooooooooo that's a stretch.

@Faraday
1. 23 pages later, when the argument was used up like a spent cock. So now it's like buddying her?

Like what was your point in redirecting our attention here:

I mean..this isn't rolefishing. It's..alignment fishing if anything? I don't understand how you thjink you can learn about someone's role from this, I mean it's not like they're gonna say 'yeah scum recruited me' and it's probably not a useful question but it's not scummy.

If you're not going to go anywhere with this. It's like flip floopy. No it's not role fishing. I think it's a form of scum hunting. But it's not really scum hunting. But it's not scummy.

I hate this question. It oozes ebil bad vibes to em.

The reason why I thought you were trying to bring it back to Mina? Because you called it not scum hunting. Not scum hunting via questions mean that Mina isn't alignment fishing. This means Mina was role fishing.

But you called it alignment fishing. But not scum hunting? My dear sir: alignment fishing means you're scum hunting. Hence the: wtf moment.

@Parama
1. Anyone fights back viciously. Lol. Wowo. But when townies are pressed on, they don't just defend and attack their attacker. They scum hunt. It's called multi tasking because the primary goal is scum huntingz.

MO's style of attack/defense draw out more discussion. Your's were: He IZ ScumZ. hence MO's method is more townie then yours. Yours just react horribly.

2. Because Nikanor's post didn't make sense for the GF? I had 1 vote on you. I'm not a fucking king with instant lynch powers good sir. You're not going to die. Nikanor claimed investigation style result on you. I followed.

I was about to post then: EDIT Nikanor ninjaed me. So I questioned the validity of it. So I did 2 things:

I voted you, to see more about this scum case on you.
I questioned Nikanor, because he appeared to claim psudo result on you. Then he mentions GF, which if you read my bread rolls are very important to me. So I hit two people at once with this vote.

3. Wow, you're not even on Percy's level of complaining in terms of wall. You do realize that in my last post, I didn't even quote strip. My wall, was comments. Full of ideas. Full of scum huntingz. Full of questions. Full of analysis. So screw you if I'm trying to talk to the other 27 people as they post. Oh wait it's probably more like half of them given that we have a list of lurkers, among a list of super actives.

Oh my god since when did fucking posting style become a scum tell. I'm trying to cut down on my length so people can QQ less about walls, and focus more on the content of the game. It's fucking annoying and makes me angry.

4. Laziness isn't a scum tell, that's more antitown call. But the lack of follow up on your scum huntingz is more of a scum tell. Plus read the difference between you and MO, in how MO out ranks you in terms of towniness with this tunnel nonsense.

@Manho
If you weren't on my reread, he reads as suspicious list, I'd go ding ding ding!. But I'm slightly unnerved that you asked the correct question over the Fate/Parama level players here.

[DTMaster]

To everyone who complains about my wall read Dark Stalker's posts. He's fucking walling but you are calling me out on it? Be glad I'm still up to date with this active fest and move on.

This gap between active people have left many players behind. It's time to do a MS search to separate the active lurkers from the townies who have lives outside of this game (Kai for example).

Part 2. If anyone complains about my PR, you are fucking weak sauce.

New Rule: <19> Foul Language, cursing, and general dirty talk is not only allowed, but encouraged, in this game. Please understand this at the beginning of the game as taking offense will be laughed at and ridiculed. You have been warned.

<19a> As a caveat, this does not mean abusive, harassing, or derogatory behavior will be tolerated, just that there will not be any restrictions on your vocabulary. If you are unfamiliar with the difference remember, racist remarks and the like are still racist, when you attack someone directly, or continually bully someone (directly, not because you think they are scum, etc), it doesn't matter your language, it is still abusive and harassment.

I am not attacking you for the sake of attacking you unless deserve it. I'm having fun with my PR while I have it. I'm still playing this game normally.

If you do not have the stomach to read a bunch of insults, leave now because I will crank my PR up. I've been tame until now. I mixed and matched insults with analysis.

If you feel that your morals can't stand this game, leave now or walk away from this game and come back when things are cooled down.

Understand that I'm not insulting you, but I'm using metaphors with my PR to explain my scum case. If a penis and a vagina is making you uncomfortable, then you stare at a mirror at yourself and look at your own because this is getting fucking tiring rereading the same arguments.

/of story, we now return to the game and a chance for me to swear again :3

[DTMaster]

I have to you the tools to defeat the fucking active lurkers:

http://www.msutils.net/search.php

First off: Snow_bunny is accurately V/LA. She only posted her mod requirements, but posted VLA status in her other games.

Starbuck posted in another game on Saturday in its pregame stages, but nothing noteworthy. I'd say it's mild.

Dram has been posting in other games period. In fact, he posted in a game I"m modding with Nikanor. Active lurking alertz. There is a long list of mafia games, modding requirements and GD discussion between his last post and his last post in Gods. Even if you remove the modding/GD posts/ among little fluff, there are still posts and is scum hunting there. Probably being a little overboard since it's been 2 days, but Dram needs to post more nao.

Troll is discussing end game stuff. Donno if that's active lurking, but he's having lots of wallish posts about it on Saturday in this game:

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 43#2293743

PZ: posted on the same day as MO, so he checks out ok.

Summary: PZ/Troll -> MO are ok on the DTM active checker, it's only been a day or 2 so it's not horrible.

CryMeARiver -> Wait does he know he's in the game? He's heavily active in 2 games, and analyzed in those 2 games. But wait, he has a 3rd game, and he's "catching up here"

Since when was he playing! He failed his active check!

Tar -> AWOL. :S

So only notable people from the active checker: Dram and Cry. I'd shoot both of them.

@Kinetic God

Can I fucking list the games on the search engine in my active lurking arguments against the above people and provide links to them? Or is that a bit too much

Don't list any ongoing games, otherwise everything else is fair game.

[DTMaster]

^^ The above post. This reminds me of fucking Legacy of the Ancient Mafia. Except more personal win cons. This also supports my 1 mafia theory.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12675

[DTMaster]

I should add that, this is my personal fucking theory: Should be taken aside, but it would work wonders to have multiple factions within town fighting over themselves (ie supported by Ice's win con information about the god factions), with a single mafia faction.

I mean it'd make sense, and whom Tar needs to lynch.

[DTMaster]

Fuck.

I'm too tired to scum hunt decently so I'll set my rereads for later. I'm going to answer direct questions/comments for now.

@MO/Troll/PZ
1. To answer, Kinetic missed the 3rd post where I broke my PR. But he removed all my role powers with the 2nd post, that he left it at that. Hence I lost my QT talking powers. If you'd want I'll claim my link and who recruited me. I told you I had an awesome claim to back up my role, and it's blatantly obvious who did it

considering only 2 people in the thread claim knowledge about the GF it's obvious to why I know about it.

2. Reflecting on it now, if he announced in thread about rule infractions and or made me voteless, I'd be the same as mod confirming my role. I realize that this isn't a Tar game and the rules are mainly open. I'm not an innocent child, so from a modding perspective, it's the most balanced way. Any more and I'll just be mod killed and be a neutral survivor.

TL:DR; A post was missed, but the punishment as server enough for me to lose my talking powers.

3. In your lurker list, as of my other post only Kai and SB have legitimately been off site. I'd only agree with Cry being swiftly shot in the head right about now with the evidence of active lurking.

4. In terms of your scum list. I see lots of overlap.

@Manho
1. Hmm 684 is

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because that post by it self is a warning light of scum, de scum, de scum.

Edit: Fate beat me to it. Still going to reread.

@Ice
1. If scum can frame, that's not a role cop usually. Making up fake role names is the realm of screwball role. We won't be getting alignments, we'd be getting role information of the people who are shifted. So in theory:

If we lynched two spots above Tar, and the lynch role cop happens, that person would flip as Miller Lyncher what ever.

2. Wow, this is in a large theme game run by Kinetic. You always fucking assume elements of bastardization in these games because we are not fucking playing a normal game.

If the vote shifts weren't a signal to that, then you're playing unintentionally dense right now.

3. Actually wouldn't CMAR be scummier then ort by that definition. If Ort has been posting more content, that means he's been scum hunting more.

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Cross reference Ice to CMAR and Ortlan again.

Add addtional meta arguments against CMAR; annnnd wait

@Alba
1. How do you know this in regards to CMAR? You do realize that I caught him posting in other games in my last post, and was avoiding this game.

Hello, did anyone do a MS utilitu search? Why would CMAR post a catch up post.

To make my point clear here are the exact dates of some of his posts in other games:

Sun May 30 2010 21:02:00

Sun May 30 2010 18:07:00

Oh look he voted in: Sun May 30 2010 15:45:00

Sun May 30 2010 15:14:00

Um. This is today.

How about the time he posted on Fri May 28 2010 20:58:00 with that awesome analysis in that ongoing game. Why don't you read the time he posted in Sun May 30 2010 11:09:00. Oh did you see that picture? He posted in that other game on Sunday again.

Making a point here. My point is being ignored. Again: hence why I asked if CMAR watched this thread /forgot about us.

He certainly had time to drop in. He certainly had time to post elsewhere.

Unvote, Vote Albratross

My head is here at the moment.

@Mod

Are we allowed to no worship at any time in terms to the worship mechanic? If not, if someone fails to worship, is that worship randomed?

"No Worship" was not originally thought as an option; however, if that is your choice I will accept it. Additionally worships will NOT be randomized if you fail to submit it in time. It will be lost.

[DTMaster]

Oh ha, fucking Utility. Goes to show you many of them were in end game status.

Picto Mafia: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13971
Victorian http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 11&start=0

So 2/5 games are accounted for. The other 3 are still ongoing, and going strong.

Even if we eliminated Picto Mafia and Victorian Mafia from the utility due to end game status, that's still a lot of posts elsewhere.

[DTMaster]

Quality over Quanity argument. I'm going to fucking double check that when i'm rested, but if Ort has been posting more content then CMAR, we have better insight into his thoughts. At least using your own argument.

[DTMaster]

Speaking of activity checks. Note to self. Cross fucking check Nikanor and his alt Cuttlefish later on.

[DTMaster]

Wouldn't the fact that O has more meaningful posts make CMAR fucking scummier? >>;;. That and you're recent posts points that way.

Your vote doesn't match well with your arguments.

[DTMaster]

Fuck. First Immediate Concerns, then going to go over my rainbow flags from yesterday.

@MO
1. Troll I got a formal warning. I lost my powers of QT. Do you want me to confirm via my link? It's kind of obvious who recruited me.

I thought I would get a rules infraction from breaking my PR, but I got a formal warning via PM. If you don't believe me fine, but you should realize that I pretty much baked a loaf and crumbed you my role.

@CryMeARiver
1. You do realize that with claims like that, it defeats the purpose of you, who hints at bullet proof, to claim such invulnerability like that. (Yes I'm Ignoring Tar's claim of BP and no I won't cross refrence to why Tar's claim is better then yours. It should be obvious why I wouldn't address Tar.)

@Starbuck
Sorry, I only skimmed over the posts in the MSUtility search. You'd see that I applied the same grace to Snowbunny who' also went V/LA.

@Ortolan Case
I just MSUltilitied Search. I see why this wagon is going strong.

Here's a collection of GD posts he's been posting elsewhere.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 45#2294345
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 44#2294344
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 50#2294150
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 56#2292756
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 60#2289760

He's pretty much ignoring this game. Aside from Scummers Mafia, it appears that this is his only commitment. But he's dead there.

@SK
I'm curious now. I called CMAR out on active lurking. That's not a justifiable reason for my vote? Wut? A large part of the Ortlan case is this very argument, as Fate said.

In fact, I caught you out on this in Fire and Ice. Yes I just used a meta argument of you to impose on CMAR and Ort, but since when did: CMAR blatantly posting in other games after his "I'll catch up post" become a null-tell for any person?

@Alba
Only if the true flip flips town. With a lynch, we'll find out Day 2.

@Mina
Is it me, or did that post send shivers down my spine. I don't know, but I'd totally investigate you just for that post alone.

Edit: I share the same win con as my recruiter, just FYI. Your suspicions are found in cases with neighbours. But say: a Mason is different since those are mod confirmed. (ongoing game of mine had a mason recruiter to a specific person, someone here also was in that game).

@Plum
I had to reread that double negative for it to sink in. I hate your double negatives. /off topic.

@SB
You're forgetting that detail where I mentioned I had a QT and I "lost my ability to use the QT" with my recruiter.

@Darkstalker
Generally when a lyncher wins, he leaves the game and just wins for himself. So in a way it's a double edged sword for town.

Tar is lyncher to Godfather which is good.
But Tar leaves if he wins, which acts as an extra kill and a loss of a vote.

I have a game where a pair of lynchers won, and I had drawn lovers. Town auto lossed because: the lynchers won, a townie died (so 3 people got eliminated on d1). Both lovers were town so that's an extra 2 townies for scum and it was delicious for them since it was a 12 page game.

So yeah: with lynchers, generally scum wants them to win to reduce the player count faster. In this case, it's a double edge sword.)

@ Town
1. Since we're on this subject, just a reminder the ability kills take an extra phase to resolve. Ie. If Ortolan was day killed at this very moment, we wouldn't find out till Day 3. As opposed to the lynches which resolve on Day 2. Keep that in mind

Now off to the flags to reread. I'll vote Ortolan once I post my final thoughts.

[DTMaster]

Fuck. In response's to mina's question. I'd recruit Benmage to the current list. Or I'd ask if Vi would play this game at my request off that list.

[DTMaster]

Actually. Fuck. I change my mind on the mina point. It reads more eagerness when I reread it again and I let it sit in a little.

Off the Investigation list.

[DTMaster]

Fuck.

@Ooba.
I told you. Lynchers in this game = double edged sword. If we lynch the GF, scum lose their

generally known as a kill immune and investigation immune person

and lynchers leave the game.

If we have only scum killing, thats a 4 person turn over (1 from GF, 2 leave with lynchers, 1 from NK if it goes through).

5 if we have more then one killing role (highly likely) and it increases by 1 per extra killer.

Finally:

Not sure if DTM shares the same wincon and conditions as tar; but I am guessing that's the case. Just realized that our best play is to not allow Tar and DTM anywhere near a lynch. If we lynch the GF without them, then its two extra town -> might give us that extra mislynch.

I don't like this. If we are true claiming lynchers, and the GF dies without us. If one of us flips you gained

confirmed town

why would you want that as an extra mislynch? You'd gain a meat shield because:

a lyncher who fails to lynch correctly becomes confirmed town instead.

It's better play to deal with lyncher issue early, and kill the GF early, rather then leave the lynchers late in the game to have the 4+ player turn over for scum.

Hence Tar's time limit.

Scum hunting, then trying to avoid lynchers voting is just a waste of time and makes your scum hunting totally ineffective. If you are going to force the lyncher issue by lynching us, well you've become all sorts of scummy.

That gives the same result as a 4 person turn over as if you killed the GF normally, but wastes two lynches. So deal: we'll be scum hunting, and we'll be voting.

@Ort
V.V. Frustrated townie? This is a blow up post. If I didn't find your posts in the GD i'd believe it alone. This is your only game that I could find, and you died for idiotic reasons in the other ongoing game (man who lynches uncounterclaimed masons >>).

Anyways. I get good vibes from this. I see why Ort is frustrated since in the previous ongoing game, he got lynched for very, very, very, very, idiotic reasons.

@SK
I don't see how this argument is better for CMAR, then Ort.

CMAR CASE and ORT CASE: We have evidence that both players posted outside of the game, during the game. We called both out on it.

Some how in CMAR: He's just catching up, even though he posted in games. Other games. 3 of them ongoing. 2 of them just finished recently. This isn't active lurking.

Somehow in Ort: He's active lurking, lynch lynch , even though he only posted in GD.

@CMAR
I don't see it. Then we have CMAR soft claiming immortal.

Dude, if you are seriously town immortal, don't soft claim it. It's like saying you're SK, and scum shouldn't shoot you. I'd rather see you soft claim doctor, and soak in the scum kills at night if you're unkillable, unlynchable, blah blah blah. Totally defeats the purpose of that role from a town angle.

I retract my vote statement. I don't see it, the scum in Ort. I'd investigate it to be sure since I haven't seen scum AtE very often, but I've read one of the games he's been in. >>;;

@Mod

Can I link the ongoing game which I talk about, Ortlan is dead. However it does contain players in this game that are active in that game.

[DTMaster]

Fuck. Tar, was the action subject to shifting last night? I forgot to ask you last night,

Because I thought the running theory was that the role cop flip was shifted down 2 spaces since Spy claimed that abilities were shifted.

[DTMaster]

Oh wait, EDITed: Reread MO. That means the mod flips are fucking on target. Also if Snow_Bunny claimed her kill, I don't see why S_B would do so as scum. It means we have a missing kill here.

[DTMaster]

Fuck. As you know I worshipped the Norse Gods (it is possible that the people that die or gets thrown in limbo lose their worship votes, try running the calculations without those people)

Personally my gut feelings say the owl is scum scum scum. Plum wasting what ever informational gathering on me was pointless. Albratross reads as new scum since he just went back on his Ice case from yesterday.

I'm feeling a little better of MO. Also I find some of the comments made on S_B slightly odd. It doesn't read as scum hunting, it's more of a blame game. I'll reread later to see why, because people aren't connecting the dots where S_B claimed her kill versus the fact that she claimed to kill Spy. I don't see scum in that, and IHMO claiming to kill Spy seems contrary to scum-S_B. It's something I wouldn't do since if all the kills are claimed, and we have claimed vigs, it'll be odd. It's too messy, and draws too much attention to yourself.

It's more likely scum killed failed and will subtly try and fish for those reasons, unless they actually decided to shoot the claimed immortal guy, the claimed BPs, etc.

I'm at an Apple store so I can't do a substantial reread but shortlist of people to reread:

Alba, Dram, Kat.
The S_B case

Vote Dramotic

Since this is a start. If I could kill I'd shoot him from yesterday's play.

[DTMaster]

Fuck.

K. My catch up post.
Recent posts:

Ice 1028 - You complain why you fucking scumtard?

Ooba/Mo Idea alert: With Percy replacing out, is it possible that people failed to get their vote in? Try running the counts for the worships with that

@Mod
Are we allowed to no worship at any time in terms to the worship mechanic? If not, if someone fails to worship, is that worship randomed?
"No Worship" was not originally thought as an option; however, if that is your choice I will accept it. Additionally worships will NOT be randomized if you fail to submit it in time. It will be lost.

El 1037 - Is S_B scummy because she claimed to shoot Spy? It seems contrary to do so, and makes more sense from a SK or Vig scum. Assuming that Albert's census on the "survivor" is not actually a SK. This would account for 3 kills: with SK, Mafia, and Tar and mafia being missing.

Alba 1049 - You pursued an Ice case so passionately yesterday. Why did you stop if you think Ice was scum? You kinda let the town move on it's own and you're flying under the radar. I can't reread you: but this quote shows how poorly your play is today. I'd totally shoot you.

Spyrex was the most obvious townie I have seen in a long time.

Can't be assed to care about this game right now. Someone tell me who to vote.

For example I'll contrast this post with this one down here:

@ Alba -- my point is that I wouldn't want 2 people to rush into town with I HERD YR LYNCHIN O HERE YE GO. So I said that.

Did you ever explain why O-town makes me scum?

'cause I think you're scum, and a town Ort would fit with what I think your strategy is as scum. I said this earlier.

At this point I just WANT Iec to be scum. Stalling the day out on empty rhetoric shouldn't come from a townie.

Actually the second quote bothers me. See the bold. Why do you want Iec to be scum? I thought town priorites were finding scum in people, not wanting to find scum in specific people.

DS - 1054 - Um if they can't use abilities (as I understand limbo from Albert) nor be targeted.

It's also probably worth pointing out that those in Limbo aren't targetable by the actions of others (unless a role overrides that for some reason.) They count towards win conditions and can be lynched but that's about it. For example, I assume that being in Limbo stopped Albert B. Rampage's census ability from targeting Mina and she isn't on the list of numbers per faction despite still being alive.

Plus we still need to test the below:

I expect that Mina will not be able to talk in the quick topic while she's in Limbo. I expect to find that out for sure tonight (assuming she's still there.) I don't have any idea why she's in Limbo now. So far as I know it isn't by her own doing.

If Mina is incapacitated, we should focus on the current active players. Not chasing after shadows, especially when we could test the Limbo Mechanics. This vote feels like: wut kill the guy who got targted for limbo. It sounds like you are attributing the lost kill to Mina? But your argument says otherwise and doesn't read pro-town. I'd totally shoot you or investigate you. You're on the line here.

Raj 1055 - Tar gambit = DTM gambit = verified by ABR. Nice, gambit between Tar and DTM acceptable since he recruited me. Gambit between Tar/ABR/DTM, not so much. Try confirmed k thanks bye.

A Dram wagon of 2 votes = day ending? WUT THE HELL?

I'm a guy. Read the male sign to the left.

Your Darkstalker vote is horrible when you say Dram is a good wagon that you support. Actually: did you even call dram and or dark scum.

PINK FLAG ALERT ADD TO THE ADDITIONAL REREADS DTM.

Otherwise add to the kill on sight shit list I have on you.

Actually I kinda wouldn't mind lynching this person since I don't see any thoughts behind this post.

MO 1064 - Every time you tunnel fish on lyncher mechanics, it makes me wonder what your priorties are. This is addressed to PZ mainly since Troll signs his name. I'd totally kill you just because you can verify Tar's role in 3 days. You don't even need a role cop flip because he just dies. If there is an extra death on that day, he's probably true claiming. This then applies to me. I have Tar's win con. I can carry his legacy as his ass kicking daughter. You sir are being uncessarily dense here and this question just reads as stalling the game. I dislike it heavily.

Edit: Too lazy to delete it but 1080 solves some of my issues here.

Para 1084 - V.V. Are you saying you are filling in ABR's census for real here?

Ice 1086 - Oh, I see the bread crumbs. I was wondering why it's mathematically impossible for Nikanor and Fate being the remaining 2 neutrals of the 4 unless you have contrary evidence.

TTNM - reads as VI. I don't know, I sense some good vibes here. Seems honest?

Fate 1106 - O.

VV 1108 - O. And rigged.

I need a break I also will post the following flags for me to complete for tomorrow. I'm also going to random my worship vote just cause I could care less.

Original Roll String: 1d4

1 4-Sided Dice: (1) = 1

Rainbow Flag 1 - Manho
Rainbow Flag 2 - CMAR vs Ort/Flip
Rainbow Flag 3 - Alba
Rainbow Flag 4 - Kat
Rainbow Flag 5 - Dram

[DTMaster]

Fuck. The Die says Egyptian Gods so sending mine in now.

[DTMaster]

Fuck. I was missing one. Flag 6 - Reread Raj

@Ice
1. What bothers me if, Parama is being serious, it really brings a flag on what happened D1.

@MO
1. It is possible then, people who didn't vote are scum because we could have factions within town (ie each god is a faction within itself within town). I'd go over each each claim from D1 and now and see where some votes fall short.

Or it's more likely that we have really inactive players that had their votes lost.

@VV
Um, you claimed the protector role. Unless we have multiple protectors (possible but that also means multiple kills and multiple factions to balance it out), you're probably going to get blocked/kill.

Considering your power protects both the player and yourself in a modified hider way (that's how I read it).

@Alba

I'll tell you why I've stopped caring. Day 1 ended up in a no lynch, the most protown player in this game gets shot, every single post in this game seems to be a novel and I don't think a single person even read my arguments about why I thought Iec is scum. Why the fuck should I get off my ass and passionately pursue an Iec case when nobody is even going to dignify me with a response? Besides, have you ever heard of the theory that in games this large every player going full throttle at each others throat only serves to distract and fracture the town?

Wrong. Issue 1.

The fact that no lynching occured doesn't mean that:

everyday will end in a no lynch, or that Ort/replacement lynch could mean hes a reviver/reincarnator/etc, or that he's town, or that there was a hidden role power that caused it

.

It's a mystery, and we could still have scum there. Thus we need to figure it out. And lynching again will tell you what the fuck is up.

Issue 2. I drew attention to your Ice case because you're not continuing it. So obviously I'm rereading good sir.

Issue 3. So having good town players/leaders are bad ok? Take Kingdom of Hearts Mafia:

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12809

Where DGB took the lead and went from L-1 lynch material (her replacement) to most pro town player and caught all the scum. Where I tunneled heavily on the GF Gonrrad, and Pushed the Cobalt/SSK case to death where both players flipped scum. Where Sajin finished the game and caught the last scum Starbuck in her SK gambits.

The fact that we have this thread and we're using it it's called a good thing

Or battle mage mafia http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12167

Where I went from L-1 delicious material to rebound the wagon onto scum. Where in the background we had paranoid cop Charter owning scum. Vi confirming townies. A mafia screw ball messing the background. And on the last day, we had all town aligned players and we could continue lynching but we chose to nolynch to find the mystery.

Do you realize that we wouldn't have found Benmage scum if we didn't lock him down. He was day killing scum. He was considered the most pro town player as day-vig. We were discussing about the additional kills and the neat kills on scum. We had him claim. He locked himself down with that claim and got confirmed as scum and died.

We wouldn't had scum cross kill in either game without discussion. We wouldn't have caught scum without discussion or scum hunting.

We wouldn't have won the games if we didn't play the game

When you start attacking game play within posts, you sir fail and deserve to be shot. When you use hyperbolies to describe this game: you do realize we have players that are slipping under the radar.

We even have active lurkers "cough" CMAR "cough" who posted in other games and decided not to post here. Remember my case? 2-3 games got analysis. Here? None

Finally. When I read your other game that you're in "cough" do a MS utility search "cough" You sir fail here. I'll believe that you've been away ( from the 7th to the 10th). But when you analyze in the other game, but just say you didn't reread and doesn't care here, the alarm bells keep ringing.

PS. We don't know if Spy is scum/town. If he's scum then we broke one of the biggest puzzle pieces we need to in scum. If he's town, then oh well Chrono can revive him if he doesn't die tonight.

If you are playing follow the Spy and his death really broke your spirit, then replace out because you're obvious star crossed lovers with him.

Why I want Dram ded:

Because he's an owl and I like my target practice

Because I when I read Dram's posts (do an Iso read) he's jabbing here and there, but not really solidifying on reads. It's like: "suspicion here" or "comment here" ADD heaven when I iso him. It's off.

And.. I'm tired. Whew. Break time. BREAKFAST TIME.

[DTMaster]

CMAR: You do realize that we had like 3 reasons in this game that were fucking claimed that explains this?

[DTMaster]

EBWOP: Actually, only Tar's actions/alignment is really confirmed. S_B is fucking not confirmed. :p But claiming the kill is weird.

[DTMaster]

Fuck

@MO
1. Why? I have a running theory. I highly doubt that one god faction is entirely scum, because after 2 days, we can break the scum team if this is true.

Scum is more likely within multiple god factions, or within the man faction them selves. The worshiping element makes the god factions fight within themselves, adding a smoke screen for scum and lets them fan fire fights between god factions.

Now if this is the former, then scum would worship their faction that benifits them. If it's the latter, then worshiping provides an

unknown element to the game. It's a power that the town can exploit and it means it could grant good things, or bad things for the town

For example: Endless gave town the ability to talk through the night.

Why wouldn't scum worship, especially on day 1? If scum are scattered across factions, that means the worship powers has a town benefit to them. Remember my day 1 talks with SK? Why I felt he was scum?

Scum are more likely to freak out over unknown powerups because it might benefit town

Hence SK was suspicious because he focused on the worship element last day.

2. Why do you think I want you investigated. You fall under the same branch as SK, but in less severity. MO you haven't dropped off that investigation list of "bad vibes". Just because we don't know what each faction grants, doesn't mean we should ignore it. We should test it. If it can confirm factions as town, then it's awesome. If we mess up and it benefits scum? Then we find out where scum are.

Hence: not voting = scummy.

3.

@CryMeARiver, you do realize that Tarhalindur claimed that he got targeted with a night kill last night, right? Incidentally, do you think you know why ortolan didn't get killed by the lynch yesterday or is your power unique to the best of your knowledge?

No did you know Tar said a kill target on him explains a no kill.

That doesn't mean someone targeted Tar

.

In fact:

How would Tar know this information

.

This bugs me, since you're deflecting the missing kill like that.

4. Whoa.

I guess I will point out that scum already have some information just from the claims and their inherent knowledge of the scum team. Certainly much more than most if not all of the town does. We help town's information resources more with a divinity claim than we do scum's information resources.

A divinity claim doesn't help at all. It just says who's belonging to which god faction. That doesn't even narrow down the field for scum people. You'd might as well ask for full claims and sort through it.

Like your role of role cop is odd, since a town role cop is uncommon. What bothers me is you confirmed SK as town so it seems ok. You claiming that SK is her role isn't that spectacular since it's post flip.

DS
1. Retracted is a inside joke from Mind Screw 4.

@Blaze
Your scumdar is pinging? Well it should we have 6 scum and 5 neutrals from ABR. If you go by the broad definition of scum, thats 11 (ie anti-town). I'm a lyncher. I'm technically anti town even though my target is the mafia GF. Why? I leave the game. Tar leaves the game. If the GF dies, that's a 3 person turn over right there without extra kills.

@CMAR
1.

Because 3 kills all town sided seems highly unlikely to me. Is that okay?

Um, only 2 kills happened. When did you confirm 3 kills CMAR?

@Chrono
That's like "So I heard" tvtrope or "supiciously specific denial" TV Trope. It's from you and I can't read if you've slipped or just claimed cult.

[DTMaster]

Fuck. Oh i missed that part in Tar's message. I'd assume Tar just speculated with this quote:

And you're neglecting the possibility of the Mafia ramming their kill into a doctor protection or bulletproof shield WHY, exactly?

Since I'm on this page. I'm behind on this info, therefore they're being dumb.

Anyways, I highly doubt that each god faction would want to have their divinities claim. It's painting a giant kill target to get rid of the major gods if they are town (and now cult target). We may however have representatives of each divinity claim the abilities. Worse comes to worse, we worship and find out. It is possible each faction doesn't know what blessings they give, or if they change each night.

You do realize that your theory on scum, is as valid as my theory as scum who doesn't want to worship. How do we test this theory? We worship and find out. If you are seriously arguing for scum directing worships, the only one who's directing worships is ABR.

If we extend your theory out, does it apply to ABR good sir?

[DTMaster]

Fuck. Actually, Troll, what about my posts haven't been valid?

Like catching CMAR in active voting is not valid? Saying Dram reads as a person who's only jabbing in once in a while isn't valid? How about my SK-scum on god theory? Hmm, and my flags aren't valid to reread on.

Like, what about my cases are

wrong on your logical level?

. Please. go indepth. I'm trying to scum hunt, but when I reread: You're town even though I find your game play scummy, it doesn't really tell me why.

[DTMaster]

Fuck.

@Blaze.
If I kill the GF. I win at the game and we leave the game. Hence we get removed from the game since we win. If the GF dies before that, we become confirmed townies and our win condition changes.

If we die before the GF dies, we lose at the game. If we die after the GF dies but with the town win con, we win with the town in the end game.

Well do we know what each ablility does, what if it changes everytime, if we vote for the same god (I doubt it, but it still would be an option).

WAIT WUT? how do you know this?

[DTMaster]

EBWOP: Urk, nvm. I misread. Fucking question should be ignored at the bottom.

[DTMaster]

Fuck

@Chrono
1. It's anti-town because the player number decreases rapidly, bringing town closer to mylo/lylo levels.

Hence, you want the lyncher to be done with at the early game as town. Late game, if the lyncher wins, that basically is an extra kill to the player list. Yes our target is on scum. Imagine if the target wasn't, that pushes the player number down, a lot. we have the potential for 6 players to be lost in 1 day

3 kills in night. 1 GF lynched. 2 lynchers leave the game.

2. Just because Spy had inside knowledge of the cult doesn't mean: god factions are indicative of cult/scum faction. That's a fallacy. It's better to assume god factions and scum are independent. Drawing too many links, especially false ones, lock us down into tunnel mode. Scum escape if they are outside this tunnel.

[DTMaster]

Fuck

@MO
1.

Informed minority doesn't mean informed about everything.

Universe Mafia. People said teleporting people was scummy. They were scum. Why? People who got teleported between game A and game B and if they were scum were being separated from their groups. This applies here in worships.

The fear of the unknown is stronger in scum.

2. We can test our theories with worships in itself. Think about it. We have an odd set of worship %s. We know that people are able to no worship. We have weird weighting occuring.

3. Dude

As for your posts, the things that I don't like them are the details that you're getting wrong. I've been pointing them out as we go. You've been at least as much a distraction this game as you've been useful (though I'll admit that this has lessened recently.)

There is a difference between calling me out on being wrong and calling me out to disagree with.

It implies you know the alignment of Manho, Nikanor, Parama, Dramonic, SK, CMAR, Ortlan, ABR, how the worships work, why we should/shouldn't worship,

.

I dislike this post. Like, a lot. It reads as: I'm hiding something here.

[DTMaster]

Fuck. I should add, Raj, SK before the flip, Fate, etc who I'm missing.

The whole day 1 you were focused on my PR and my breaking of the PR. Like, good MO I don't remember much scum hunting outside of the DTM tunnel fest you did.

[DTMaster]

Hmm, fuck, I'm raising MO to flag level. I'm rereading him. The whole tunneling on me with the: He is a VI distraction argument, is in itself a smoke screen argument.

It reads as scum, being active, without actually scum hunting. If MO resolves this status on me, why isn't he moving on and moving to scum hunting? When I apply the question:

Why is town-MO focused on this detail, I don't understand it. But if I apply, why would MO do this if he was scum-MO, it makes more logical sense.

I'm applying empathy to MO, and I don't see it.

[DTMaster]

@Fate
Shush, you're spoiling my master trap you fucking tard. (Sorry you're not a tard)

@MO
1.

DTMaster, clearly uninformed Minority doesn't mean informed about everything. I never came close to claiming that it did. Thank you for the lovely misrepresentation though. If we've got even 2 gods from different pantheons in the scum team then they've got more information about what the worship does than the rest of us. I don't think that it's at all unlikely that this is the case. Do you have a reason to think that it is?

1. Yes you implied it in the number 2. Especially in coordination of worship vote actions.

2. Yes it is possible we have gods as scum, and yes it is possible that scum has knowledge of what each faction does. But that doesn't mean my theory isn't less valid as below. In fact I'd expect more arguments in thread about specific factions to worship. The only one who expressed this was people within their own factions (ie Spy) and people who are leading the worships (ie ABR).

It's premature, but the whole follow the ABR and follow the Spy works better as a sheep move by scum to follow the town crowd over scum focusing more on trying to get certain factions worshiped. That's how I see it.

3.

Fear of the unknown (and lack of control) is exactly why we should expect scum to be using their worship votes though.

If they have any information (which, again, they probably do) then they want to use it to put themselves in the best position they know of.

Oh hell no, you've just applied information gathering as scummy. If scum players don't know the deity powers, they are in better position to

shut down the deities

with that kind of logic, rather then

influence the deity powers

Your mass claiming idea accomplishes the above faster, and when I apply your argument in bold it works the same way. The only difference is, I have a reaction log between each god. You've got a log of a clump of votes each day. The end goal is the same. The method is different.

4. You are calling me out on being wrong. You are not simply disagreeing with me, you absolutely called me out on being wrong. See here:

As for your posts, the things that I don't like them are the details that you're getting wrong. I've been pointing them out as we go. You've been at least as much a distraction this game as you've been useful (though I'll admit that this has lessened recently.)

Yes some things I got wrong, ie you and SK.

But what about my full cases all game? Hmm? I don't see the crtisism on that. Are those wrong too? Are some details off there? That's where I see things.

5. I has a sekret. I don't use note pad when I post. Plus if you noticed, I haven't been rereading properly lately due to the lack of time. I have a list of points I need to reread. It's accumulated over 2 days now.

[DTMaster]

@Fuck

I mean Ice. I donno, but I don't like your recent post. It's off. Right from the surface. Like chipped paint.

[DTMaster]

@Ice
Fuck. It's a flag in the subconscious of my brain. Basically since I can't put my finger on it, its a cue for me to reread that conversation that Nikanor had with S_B. and your Iso.

[DTMaster]

EBWOP, by fucking your mother.

@Ice I didn't answer your question, the question you addressed to Nikanor.

[DTMaster]

@MO
Fuck. I'm telling you of a game

where I played and scum was afraid to use in game mechanics, aka I experienced a fucking game where scum were cowards.

Bloody go to my wiki. Read Universe Mafia A and B. Scum did not want to use teleportation between games because they thought it was "anti town" to separate people. Town used it to win in Universe B, and almost win in Universe A. Like HOW MUCH DO I NEED TO REPEAT IN YOUR THICK SKULL TO SAY:

I EXPERIENCED SCUM BEHAVING LIKE THIS IN OTHER GAMES SO I"M FUCKING EXTRAPOLATING THIS TO THIS GAME /rage

K, slightly cooled down.

2.

Information gathering isn't scummy.

Having information ahead of time about multiple pantheons is absolutely scummy There's really no way you wouldn't be able to see that.

My mass divinity claim idea helps give the town access to information that lets them make informed decisions and probably makes it harder for scum to push us towards worshiping a pantheon that helps them. Watching the town make an informed decision will give us much more information than watching us make stabs in the dark.

Actually, after mulling it over, stabbing in the dark is a better trap of finding the bolded, over your mass claim, don't you think? If scum already has a preconcieved position of who they want to vote, it'll be seen better with the random worships.

Now, if you are berating me about my quality of my posts, might I say that your excessive tunneling on a "townie read" is a giant smoke screen. Your arguments are sound. But why you're extensively just focusing on me, isn't. It's takes you away from commenting on other players.

Your insistence on me being a distraction is weird. It's like saying, oh look a shiny thing that doesn't have anything to do with the game. DTM is doing that, that's anti town. I'll do the same and focus on that shiny distraction while ignoring that I'm not scum hunting.

I think I figure out why this is fucking bothering me. Why are you tunneling on the guy who you think it's a distraction? It's like, ironic in the wrong sense.

[DTMaster]

V.V. Fuck. I really need to reread, but first I need to cool down. I'm going to note pad this and reread all 50 pages starting from page 1. Yes. I am rereading the game. I'll redo an analysis from fresh because something is off here.

[DTMaster]

I'm still on my reread of day 1. But I want to comment on a few things so I'm not horribly behind.

@Dark

Snow claims to have killed SpyyeX. Her reasons were that she could not gaurantee if the worshipping would be pro GOO and fix spyreX. Given all those that claimed other worship targets besides GOO i can see how there was no gaurantee. Though SpyreX claimed that if he became Delight that the town would get something really good especially if all GOO were town.

Wrong. Read this.

I am Delirium/Delight of the Endless. My whole role changes whether or not the endless are who are being worshiped (Delirium/Delight, specifically).

While I am Delirium, all actions shift two down the list. Thats right. ALL actions (yea, this may help the scum not screw up but the net result depending could be worse).

I'm not getting into what happens if I am Delight. Lets just say that if all the endless are town its a pretty sweet ass gig.

So, depending on ABR's worship-o-meter (and the endless don't even appear to be a worshippable group at the mo') you may want to keep this in mind or lynch me. If ABR's plan could use the endless as the focal point that'd be pretty swank.

ABR is kinda like Delirium/Delight - soo lets have him be AWESOME MODE and this'll be tech.

If its crazy mode well as his self appointed ego buster I'll have to bust egos.

Something deep in my belly tells me thats not gonna be an issue though.

This only implies GOO gains benefits, and if GOO is town then it helps. So we can summarize. Spy/ABR is from GOO (duh DTM why would you point out the obvious?)

Since S_B is from the Judo Christian faction (implied from her worships), the kill can be explained by: "warring in god factions".

2. Modified Survivor could be a SK of some form. This would explain the 3 kills since I confirm Tar's vig powers.

In no way is it

confirmed that a Survivor is in the game and a SK isn't

So S_B isn't confirmed. She is less likely to be mafia-scum. She is still as likely to be SK-scum.

If S_B is SK-scum claiming the kills make sense, just like claiming it as vig.

@S_B
1. Ew, 1263 approves and disproves of the Mina issue. Way to act scummy. I think you're SK actually. In fact, it makes more sense that way. What's bad, we need the kill to kill cult ASAP.

Rearranging my list:

1. SB is investigation level.
2. Dark if he was on killing/lynching level drops. In fact I get better vibes.

I read his join date and I read 1262, and I feel like he's trying extra hard to figure out the game. I read newbie town, but I'll keep my eye here.

@Something to ponder.
Why a cult attempt failed. There are lots of reasons role wise. Or the cult target caught scum. Actually which reminds me:

@ABR.
How do you know a cult is in the game? I just read you census as 4 neutrals. If the pool didn't go up, how do you know that cult didn't recruit. With S_B's play and your slip of survivor: doesn't it make more sense to have a survivor/SK :S.

[DTMaster]

EBWOP: Ah fuck. I ment to preview. Not submit. Way to go DTM >>;;

[DTMaster]

Fuck. I share the same win con as Tar. Therefore, SK is out of the question. So S_B can be treated as town.

If we have 3 kills, and one failed on Tar, the unclaimed kill probably fell on Tar. If Scum forgot shifting/busing occured/redirecting occured, then we might already have a system of confirming towns.

[DTMaster]

Fuck. We might have a town Bus/Redirector. If scum are dumb enough to try and kill the claimed BP player, then ..... lol.

[DTMaster]

Fuck. I can care less about Troll's Ire, and I can care more about finding scum. Sorry about the delay in rereads, it's a pain to do so. I'm about page 20.

[DTMaster]

Fuck. Checking in.

[DTMaster]

Fuck guys, sorry. I completely forgot about this game since the checkup. I didn't subscribe to it. AHHH. Catch up time.

[DTMaster]

Ok since I'm too far behind, I'm going to comment on where I last left off. Fuck of course.

1. Everytime I read this post made by Darkstalker now I know he's an alt of Ani and Pokerface. Ok. Now I had to reread this post a few times but, when I reread it and skim over his ISO to get acquainted with his Mina case, I understand why this bothers me still. There's no stances, on any player. There's only neutral reads Parama/Fate, MO -> Mina (except Mina is scummy but the link isn't), VV isn't confirmed (ok point) and finally asking MO on his case on Chrono. I skimmed back and I can't find a direct attack on Chrono. It's odd. I feel like he's just looming here. Hence why I want this guy dead.

2. After Blaze singles out Ice. Odd connection here.

3. Fate's plan on lynching survivor, actually is a good source of information. Except Town is going to smokescreen that wagon analysis. Townie vibes, because it reminds me of Battle Mage.

Edit: Dram says it best here.. Except Dram's comment is chalk full OF FLUFF. Talk about not weighing in on alignments.. This is terrible.

4.Manho this bothers me coming from you.

5. Facepalm. S_B The lynchers claimed already.

6. Uhhhhh wait Did Blaze just claim the same role as the doc who self protects and protects others, but in role blocking format? Hold on

we have two of those? WTFBBQSAUSAGES?

Edit: Just read the Joat claim from MO, except this doesn't confirm you. Sane results aren't accurate. Why? Do you know the existence of the god father. Do you know what god fathers do? Yeah, they are investigation immune. Hey Blazer stop being scummy and riding on MO's investigation

The only good results are guiltily. Innocents, can be twarted. I don't trust them. Especially when you claim RB -> Doc -> RB/Director/Busser Like wut?. Messed up claim?

7. Statements like this makes me question you Ice. My scumdar went off when you invested so much trust in ooba, and less in your own gut.

[DTMaster]

Oh fuck. It's night and Gahhhhh I just read the epic claim by Thor. V.V.

[DTMaster]

Fuck Tar. QT now. I missed a lot.

[DTMaster]

@ Mod: Fuck. At least change the title to night :<<<<<

[DTMaster]

Fuck. Why would you want to stop a kill on survivor. That's pretty scummy V.V. Plus scum wouldn't even kill the survivor. They'd focus on the cult or the townies.

[DTMaster]

Fuck. In fact, Scum would try and kill the claimed doctor. Or they'd kill dram because his Limbo status might act as a jail keeping action.

[DTMaster]

Fuck. Sorry nvm didn't read Drams full claim on the meat shield.

[DTMaster]

Fuck! AWESOME. IHIM was mafia GF scum. Search for links now. I worshiped Egypt as per shown by the dice.

Lottery : Sword

[DTMaster]

Fuck. Sorry I pick up my prod but I'm at work. I'm reading full claims but you know my role already. I'll post tonight or tomorrow morning.

[DTMaster]

Fuck. Sorry I'm heavily behind. I worshiped Egypt (just saw ooba's question) in according to the dice.

[DTMaster]

Fuck. Since we are still at full claim something new happened to me while I was away. I'll reclaim in the format

Rolename: Hit-girl
God\Mortal: Mortal
Any Worship Modifiers: None that I know of, I assume I count for a single vote count since I don't have any abilities that modify vote counts.
Worship vote N1: Norse
Worship vote N2: Egypt
Faction (if any): Lyncher, became town.
Ability: I had a one shot kill.
N1 target: I couldn't do anything because I broke my post restriction. So I wasn't allowed to kill.
N2 target: I shot manho since I felt that he was scum
Ability (upgrade): New Power Up. I obtained a new shiny sword that can protect people. Unfortunately I cannot use the full powers because I am not Yoh from Shaman King so I can't use oversoul powers.

I'll go over the full claims and post my thoughts.

[DTMaster]

NIK: Fuck. Yes it is. It is a normal doctor protect.

Future questions: I won one of the item lotteries if you are wondering about how I gained additional powers.

[DTMaster]

Fuck. I was mulling it over, but I'm going to full claim some info about my sword from a claim I just read.

I'll reveal what my item is. Its Harusame, so I have Yoh's sword. (Which kinda makes sense as a protect). My oversoul is a redirect, but I need to use my initial protection three times to redirect. I can't over soul anyways so I'm claiming this now. Why am I claiming this? I mirror one of the Ex-laws's claim. What I think my protect is:

it's probably 0%. Why? If the original owner is dead, it doesn't work.

If the original owner is alive, then I can protect successfully. What this means, it's possible that one of the Shaman King characters are scum, or I'm given a red herring item. I'm thinking the latter at the moment. I can't really test this unless S_B is willing to vig for me a target.

[DTMaster]

The only thing that buged the fuck out of me was Raj's claim (and Kat's claim after claiming results after Xine's claim and Dram's pretty much full claim yesterday)

1. Kat: Did you bread crumb your result on Dram's name to link to his White Knight Claim? I don't remember seeing one in the inital claim. If anything your result reads as withholding information before Dram's claim.
2. Raj, you successfully targeted Blaze? Like for real? No corrections on your target, actions still pending?

@Nikanor
If my protect does go through, however that means someone is lying. That's what bugs me. But since I don't have much to do I'll do normal protects.

[DTMaster]

Oh I forgot to add: Chrono, why the fuck didn't you Jail keep again?

[DTMaster]

Fuck. Sorry been at work. To clarify my sword is of Buddah orgins, not JCA. I also found out that my item will work since it's bound to me, rather then the original character Yoh. Therefore Yoh isn't in the game, and I can protect.

[DTMaster]

Sorry guys. Anyways I'm going to sheep this, test out the global role block, and fucking worship the Old Orders. Will reread asap.

Vote: Raj

[DTMaster]

It's kinda weird since ABR fucking confirmed Tar, and I's slot. Plus Percy's flip tomorrow will confirm our roles. If Raj thinks DTM is scum, Tar is scum by association. Vise versa applies too. I kinda don't understand my position or Tar's position on scum list unless Raj is arguing that ABR, DTM and Tar are scum together lols.

[DTMaster]

Fuck. On iPhone making notes. To answer the recent question the kills shouldn't be unstoppable. At least for Hitgirl it makes no
mention of it being a super kill, so to
my knowledge it's normal

[DTMaster]

Vote: DS

[DTMaster]

Fuck. Got ze prod. Going to work now and I'll post asap when I get back. Considering how large the game has gotten I don't want to replace out (less the replacee suffers from overload).

[DTMaster]

Fuck. I Gooed and Loki did flip trickster Nikanor. read the full role
cop details.

[DTMaster]

Fuck. No I could not use my oversoul last night because I do no meet the requirements to. I need to protect at least 3 times before I am allowed to redirect. Therefore I need to protect 2 more night cycles before I can redirect people.

[DTMaster]

Troll, I fucking, (excuse) claimed this initially in my item claim that I cannot OS.

[DTMaster]

Tar, how did S_B's oversoul activate again?

[DTMaster]

Albatross what are the conditions for your oversoul too? (I'm wondering if there is a fucking pattern)

[DTMaster]

I'm also confused because somehow in the network of QTs the information didn't reach me if Mina is claiming that she knows Lynchme is a zombie. I did a search in both my QT and this thread and I don't understand how Lynchme is revealed to be a zombie. I did read that the cult role does remind ooba as a fucking zombie role from Random mafia.

So I don't know how I can confirm Mina's zombie point. I don't. Tar/Nik/Mo enlighten me here.

[DTMaster]

Could this be fucking evidence of cross killing (as in Kathy fake claiming on fake scum claim)? Using that logic, it means Kathy isn't very likely cult (unless she can role cop and recruit which would be weird V.V).

[DTMaster]

You know what I don't fucking understand? WTF is this redirector is doing if there is a second redirector. It doesn't make sense for him to chose to redirect VV, or Kathy over claimed NKers. Especially since Kathy is just a "flavour/role" cop and the fact that they chose to redirect VV and not kill the claimed self/target protector.

From the PoV where scum is playing to win, this "Redirector" doesn't seem like he's playing to win for scum.

I raised this issue to you Tar. Nikanor I relate back to Scummers Mafia for this. I'm going to reread the Day 2 action clams to see when this second re director was determined.

Edit: MO, it is accountable. It's the missing kill that has occured the last 2 day cycles. Remember that both S_B and I/Tar both claimed kills from the last 3 cycles. That means S_B is mostlikely going to flip town/cult. I said earlier it makes no sense for S_B to claim one of the single kills as scum.

[DTMaster]

Well barring the global roleblock fucking day.

[DTMaster]

Wait, what where the claimed actions from each night//day cycle. If a second kill went missing for 2 days straight, and a 3rd one suddenly fucking appeared the day after the Global Roleblock. There might be more information from an action chart.

[DTMaster]

The common theme is: we are missing the mafia kill. What I'm hoping to get is a list of more confirmed townies (them being night targets of night kill).

The person who shot Tar didn't claim. I don't see why that kill, and S_Bs can't have originated from the same fucking source. Maybe it's your words on how you're saying it's unclaimed, but it's obvious where the unclaimed kill originated from in my opinion and ABR's census.

Edit: I said I want to redo a chart of N1/N2 actions because of the above

[DTMaster]

I'm a bit sad that Adumbbro didn't make use of his dead topic powers. Those people in the grave yard could be contributing right now.

[DTMaster]

Faraday claimed to try and Kill Xite (the Zombie that just flipped) but it failed. N1
Kathy got a result on Xite/Lynchme (As the spirit). N1
Fate was able to day-kill the "Spirit" (who flipped zombie). D5
We had a role cop on the spirit as a zombie. N4

Something is off.

[DTMaster]

We have two conflicting sets of data that point towards both claims (Lynch.Kill.Kat = spirit) and (kill, role cop, flip = zombie). I'm trying to sort it out, but I'll sleep on it.

MO: There is a flaw in your theory about the changing roles though. Spy did not show indication of his second half of his role. When Spy fully flipped, he only flipped Delirium (who he changed to). There was no indication of Delight, his other persona of his role. I don't think a full flip would confirm the spirit -> zombie theory.

[DTMaster]

Ooba. Kathy claimed she was redirected.

[DTMaster]

Kathy originally wanted to target Fate, but both her role cop and item powers where redirected to S_B. What's interesting is Oversoul is an item ability, unless the JCA people will confirm they have Oversoul a normal ability.

Oversoul, the item ability, was found on S_B, who didn't have an OS item on her.

[DTMaster]

Um, what?

@MO
Oversoul

is not the ability name

FYI: In my case. My Oversoul's ability name is Perfect Budha-Strike

. Why would the dousing rod return Oversoul when Mine has a name.

[DTMaster]

The reason I asked is because someone redirected me last night. My targets were Vasudeva for role cop and Fate for my item ability (and no, my item is not an energy gun, it is a Dowsing Pendulum).

Both of these actions were re-directed to Snow Bunny, since my results both came back for Snow Bunny (Role name: Lucky Dirak, Ability name (result from Dowsing Pendulum): Oversoul).

This contradicts with what OS items are. My OS, has an

acutal name

Also ABR has no reason to lie unless he is scum, spreading cult acusations. Except he got Modifed survivor correct before Plum claimed. If ABR is correct, the biggest threat comes from the cult. Which, lo and behold, if mafia scum is going to win, they need to help start shooting cult members/leaders before they take over the majority of the town (see cult dillemia, where if you lynch scum every day, cult can still win the game).

[DTMaster]

I don't believe Paramas oversoul had no name. I want to verify it myself.

[DTMaster]

Tar what was SBs Oversoul called? Rather then confirm Parama's item, SBs will suffice.

[DTMaster]

I'd like to personally look at the useless item

[DTMaster]

Ugh nevermind. Forgot about one slight detail that made flavour/role analysis impossible.

All flavor text has been removed from all role PMs at this time due to something I found late in the process. Because of this flavor text will only be present within the game.

[DTMaster]

@MO
I'm tunneling on Kathy here, obviously, and any remaining links from there. But there are too many Oversoul/Possession no name claims so I dropped it. I would have liked to confirm Kathy's role (since every claim has been made after each claim.

N1 Result was made after Xine claimed
N2 Result was officially announced once Dram claimed. Kathy claimed that she had a result on Dram but she wouldn't claim it before then.

When a cop claims a result on a person, and specifically it's flavour, that person, even scum, wouldn't lie in the face of a cop claim if Kathy wasn't on their team

.
N3 was Global RB
N4 was a redirect to the dead person (which as Nikanor pointed out, Kathy investigated as role cop instead of a flavour cop) which makes sense if S_B's role doesn't sound like anything (and makes no sense to why Xine -> Lynchme would fake claim two different spirit results since: they claimed originally before Kathy's cop result)

There's a reoccurring pattern that I see each night, which to me looks horrible as a cop claim.

What bothers me is that in my case: Oversoul/Possession powers are not my role powers, but my item powers. And S_B didn't have her item last night. When I reread Faraday/Parama/Albatross, everything implies that the item has the power, and not their role.

@Nikanor
You do realize that only one person remotely fits the description here. And he recruited me.

[DTMaster]

Actually, if Tar is a cult recruit (only one who claimed to be disabled all game), are cults unable to worship vote?

[DTMaster]

Well I should clarify, he claimed he lost his worship powers. But is synonymous to being disabled. Tar do you still have that day kill you talked about D3?

[DTMaster]

Offtopic: In before Has cow comes in.

[DTMaster]

Lurkers are better kill targets but I'm out of bullets and S_B just died.

Edit: No one claimed being disabled/losing all their abilities though. Which is a HUGE THING.

[DTMaster]

@Oooba
1. If scum is striping people of their voting powers, it makes more sense for scum to strip people from JCA, if they don't have any good OS members there. Giving JCA the majority allows them to have a wider variety of skills that can WIFOM night actions.

Worship votes aren't meant to increase scum targets, that makes no logical sense. Since worships grant a wide variety of powers in thread or across the factions, it means that MO's plan about Item swapping is working.

What doesn't add up is Tar is now worship stripped.

2. Nikanor claimed

someone lost all their powers

, not that he lost his powers. And that's ultra confirm able.

3. Claiming lost worships is pro-town WIFOM. If it is from a cult mechanic, then we would be hunting for a phantom vote disabler.

4. Um, I already thought we assumed this was a day recruit. Also your worship analysis doesn't make sense if Tar was recruited earlier. Read this:

Something spooky -- if Tar's worship didn't work, that means someone covered for him, right (since we hit 13 even without him)? Or else ABR could've done it.

@Gais on Faraday wagon, this theory only works if S-B is scum with Faraday. We also confirm there are 3 kills. Or if Faraday can redirect twice. This theory is super, super sketchy even for you Ooba. I don't like it. Plus if Faraday is cult, what happened to your Fate and Tar theory. This is

all over the place

. I need a fucking break now

[DTMaster]

Actually if Faraday was cult leader, he can only redirect one person. His regular action would be a recruit. Now if Faraday was a redirector, he can redirect twice. MO confirms Faraday's actions on Snow bunny.

Unless Faraday can triple action in one night Ooba, your theory is flawed.

[DTMaster]

I can confirm that you can only item action and regular action with one of each, hence I was able to kill and protect. But your theory shows: 3 actions.

[DTMaster]

Infact if you are arguing double redirects from Faraday, you are ignoring that Kathy was redirected.

[DTMaster]

Tar has the day kill, not me.

Also this plan would have failed unless Faraday and S_B were scum together. If S_B flips town, then this line of questioning is, moot. Especially since this was set up in QT before the flips were announced between MO and Faraday.

[DTMaster]

Oh wait, haha it was a bluff. It's clearly stated in our QT that his is one shot NK. My bad. We where discussing about this N1

[DTMaster]

1. Unless he majority of JCA aren't scum, then disabling them is a good thing. Having potential RBs and full tracks = bad for scum. Even though we are swapping items, we can give them back to use RBs, or full track/watch what ever Parama's item is.
2. You answered what OS is, it's over soul.
3. If S_B flips town, then Faraday would have been super lucky to guess the result at night because there was a long list and I was shooting someone too. But Faraday claimed that Ihim would die via S_B redirect the night before the kill cause he was redirecting. Hence you're arguing Faraday is scum with S_B.

[DTMaster]

He said it to MO, who claimed it for him.

[DTMaster]

1. Can you explain to me why it's Moot again even if Faraday claimed the correct result the night before, especially before a S_B true flip? You just said it was moot.
2. Recall that ABR says there is only 1 cult at D2. Therefore unless they recruited after ABR's census, they should only have one from N2 (your theory), then N4 or D2 (unlikely) and D4.
3. If they can control VV via redirects, then why isn't VV dead? Like you said you become VTs when your focus doesn't connect. Recall that the second redirector isn't playing like a typical scum re-director. He's being super, duper, weird. He chose Kathy over the claimed kills.
4. If they can vote worship strip any of you (See Tar) they chose Tar over you. Based on Tar's claim, it sounds more permanent . Something doesn't compute sir.

[DTMaster]

Actually the 4th question is answered by Cult theory, over Scum Vote stripper PR. But if it is the latter, I don't see it being that because they could just disable VV and kill her targets.

[DTMaster]

Hmm, actually that is possible. All we do know it is "modified cult".

[DTMaster]

That means the Zombie-cult theory is a red herring, and it's more likely the Judas type role.

[DTMaster]

Mafia, I have a proposition for you to think about. I want you to claim. If this is a hypnotist role I propose an alliance to get rid of the cult leader. It's possible that ABR's census put us in a false dilemma where we assumed they didn't recruit. It's possible that they were able to recruit every night. The town has run out of kills. If we don't hit the leader, the hypnotist can win in a few more days. Assuming that none of the members died as of now, they make up 5/16 of the town faction.

[DTMaster]

And assuming recruits didn't fail

[DTMaster]

Interesting. The Dram case to me looks like a last ditch effort for some reason. Man if I wanted to kill mafia I should have saved my shot for Albatross. He's active lurking. Albatross, do confer to your scum buddy that you should be focusing on cult targets tonight.

@People who are Voting Dram
Stopppp. We can use his ability and limbo the cult leader. If we find the trend of worship votes to remain stagnent then we caught the leader. If the leader is trying to Fram Dram, that means he's not recruiting people. Please

do not lynch Dram

[DTMaster]

Not yet. I don't care Tar, regardless of scum Dram. At this point with the potential of 5 cult recruited, even scum Dram is useful. If Dram was cult, that means that you couldn't have been targeted (see Mina and Plum/Pom as Dram's only target) .

[DTMaster]

You know something. I could totally see the cult setting up Nikanor's QTs as a form a communication between each other. I feel like the network has been infiltrated for some reason similar to [retracted] Fate. Frick, I shouldn't have shot ABR. :<

[DTMaster]

Mod, prod Dram, Adumbro,

[DTMaster]

@Mina you're all over the place

Xite = LMP. In fact the Zombie role could be it's own role, which caused someone to lose their powers. Just because someone lost their soul, doesn't mean we know everything about the Zombie role. Which is an interesting point. Was it the kill or the targeting of the Zombie role that caused the PR loss. If we can prove the former, then there is someone who's lying. I wish I had a day ability and target the zombie corpse right now.

@Albatross
I find it odd that you missed the point on how cult could control 5/16 of the player slots. They win in a couple of nights. Hence it's not the time for Mafia and Town to be fighting one another at this moment. If Mafia wants to win, they'll reduce the cult targets with us, claimed or unclaimed. If town wants to win, we still need to deal with said cult, and the mafia night kill is a great selective tool to hunt cult. You're being the archetypal cult player with that kind of response.

@Mina
1. It's kind of odd but why is it that Ooba's scum hunting theories are scummy again? you seem to criticize his methods without saying: This is a scummy behavior because... this is a townie tactic because.. with his enthusiasm for cult hunting I see that he's not cult. He's put forward worship votes and he's also done a lot of work interms of analysis. To me, even strechy theories, the work out weigh the far-fetched nature of his theories (at times). Thus a town read because I read the work invested in the analysis.

2. One of the arguments is that scum may have a re-director. If I had a re-director as scum I wouldn't want to kill the claimed vig. I would just redirect the claimed vig. Logic dictates that a redriector on scum side makes no sense. Maybe a busser makes sense, but scum aren't using their bussing powers imaginatively. (ie, if MO was town on the night that VV targeted MO but got redirected to S_B, if this was a busser, that means MO and S_B were bussed. This I'd shoot S_B which would hit MO, and bus any doc protects away from MO). So that logically makes little sense.

3. We are looking for Day recruits more likely.

@Fate
In the network of QTs, we can confirm everyone's actions (except the network didn't reach to me about the Rolecop from Mina). Thus a cult member who doesn't lose their powers, or their original win con would be in a comfortable seat of power there.

@Ooba
MO is also confirmed non cult leader since his role as a modified JoAT was confirmed via the global role block.

[DTMaster]

Actually did the hypnotist role have multiple powers in Legacy again? i'm going to check. A cult leader who could do multiple actions seems too powerful to me.

[DTMaster]

ou've had enough of the Council's arrogance. Enough of their closed-mindedness. Enough of their refusals to grant you more power.

So you're going to get your power the old-fashioned way.

Welcome to Legacy of the Ancients Mafia, DragonsofSummer. You are The Usurper. Your desire for power has put you at odds with the rest of the High Council. Now you're going to use this little incident to put your plans in motion.

Race: Ancient
Faction: Hypnotist

You are the Neutral Hypnotist. You have the following special abilities:

Factional Abilities:
Hypnotize - Each day, you may target a player. If that player's race is Ancient and that player is not a High Councilor, you will hypnotize that player at the end of that day; that player will be informed that they were hypnotized but will not be told what this does. (A hypnotized player gains the Hypnotized ability "You count as a hypnotized player for the purposes of the Hypnotist win condition and Hypnotist abilities". A Hypnotized player retains their original win condition unless activated by your Coup D'Etat Ultimate.)
Hypnotist Falseclaim: - At any time, you may send me an ability (or set of abilities) and a role name. If you do, I will make a fake role PM for you using the given name and abilities at the earliest possible opportunity. This is a Rapid Action - Special (it resolves immediately upon receipt). You may use this ability any number of times.

Passive Abilities:
High Councilor - You are a member of the High Council, along with Starbuck, xRECKONERx, dramonic, forbiddanlight, malthusis, and Boxman. You may talk to other High Councilors outside the thread at any time using this QuickTopic. Each day, the High Council may, by majority vote, send one of their own to implement a special decree. (The High Council is NOT a faction.)

Active Abilities:
Blade of Justice - You have in your possession the Blade of Glory. This allows you to implement High Council decrees. Should you make a kill in this way, your kill method will be "Brought to Justice". Implementing a High Council decree does NOT count as your activated ability for the day.
Super Ability: Ritual of Resurrection - Once during the game, you may target a dead player. That player will be revived as a member of the Hypnotist faction instead of any other alignment, and you will gain the ability to talk to that player outside the thread at any time using a QuickTopic. For the rest of the game, if you would be killed and the player revived with Ritual of Resurrection is alive, the player revived with Ritual of Resurrection will die in your stead. (The revived player gains all Hypnotist factional abilities upon revival.)

Ultimate:
Ultimate 1: Coup D'Etat (Passive - Triggered) - If at any time the number of living Hypnotized and Hypnotist-aligned players exceeds the number of surviving members of the High Council, then you will immediately activate all Hypnotized players (their alignment will become Hypnotist instead of any previous alignment and they will gain the Hypnotist Safeclaim ability). Then you will remove the High Councilor ability from every other member of the High Council and grant the High Councilor ability and the ability to make the High Councilor kill to every other member of the Hypnotist faction. (the High Council will receive a new QuickTopic should this happen).
Renumeration 1: Nation Building - All members of the Hypnotist faction lose the Hypnotize ability and you lose your Soul Nova ability.
Ultimate 2: Soul Nova (Passive - Triggered) - When you die, every Hypnotized player will commit suicide. (Obviously, this won't happen if you've paid the Renumeration for your Coup D'Etat Ultimate.)
Renumeration 2: Out of Time, Out of Mind - You remove yourself from the game.

Please note that you can only use one active ability per day. (Again, the High Councilor kill does not count towards this limit.)

Win Condition (Hypnotist): You win when all other factions have left the game, or nothing can prevent the same. Your faction counts as a faction when calculating the standard factional win condition. (The Hypnotist faction has the standard factional win condition.)

Please confirm via return PM.

I'm posting the full PM to see how many elements are probably carried over.

[DTMaster]

People.

Zombie is a red herring to the cult

. Kthnksbye.

[DTMaster]

It is possible, except we also have a theory that the cult is a Day Hypnotist. What worries me is the lack of lost soul claims. Unless the cult is that severely damaged because they tried to recruit mafias each night.

[DTMaster]

Oh N4 was the Zombie role on LMP.

[DTMaster]

Oh right that means that Dram can't be a cult disabler(reread claim). It does however mean that if a Dram issue comes up we can kill him at any time. It also means not very likely cult since his actions are provable via limbo.

[DTMaster]

Ice, we are going over the Judas theory again. It is possible that both Kathy and Mina's role cop are accurate (see Spyrex Delurium/Delight role). We already know that Orto/xite/LMP was recruited. The closest parellel to a cult role is that te recruiter is the main hypnotist and he had a secondary recruit( see the revival power of the original recruit). It's more likely the person who recruited Orto is the cult leader.

Otherwise I'm operating under the assumption of Kathy / Mina being correct. We do know that the hypnotist theory is very plausable ( via Tar's soul claim).

[DTMaster]

You do realize that if Dram was mafia, his role would be broken if he could limbo someone every day if all the town kills were neutralize? He could win 1 v 100000000 Town VTs and auto win. Finally, if Dram can get someone into limbo, we'd see it. It's kind of noticable. That and we have a claimed RB that can stop Dram if he's lying. And a Claimed Day Vig. And 2 claimed redirects that can redirect Dram to himself. Oh any thing else?

Tar shot Dram, and Pom died who was in Limbo. Dude, what did you not get about Tar shooting Dram with S_B's item don't you understand in the claimed night action Ice? You're actions are super stretching this

[DTMaster]

3. Dram having been made vanilla is not provable. He could just refrain from putting people into Limbo. I agree that he's not CL, though, because then Mina would be cult, and Mina got LMP killed, and I think LMP was recruited cult.

3. Dram having been made vanilla is not provable. He could just refrain from putting people into Limbo. I agree that he's not CL, though, because then Mina would be cult, and Mina got LMP killed, and I think LMP was recruited cult.

Holy crap did Ice + Mind Fart = massive scum hunting slip.

[DTMaster]

Err I wanted to quote this: EBWOP:

@ dram -- Actually, I totally forgot that you claimed you'd lose your abilities after your limbo'd party was killed. So nevermind that.

[DTMaster]

I'm trying to decipher how much of a smoke screen Ice is, and if he's really the cult leader.

[DTMaster]

I used up my kills so I lose my post restriction. If you really, really, really want to argue that I'm cult you do realize that I did worship properly and did kill properly last night. "shrugs" I'm not really any useful since my toys as a vig was linked to my PR.

[DTMaster]

I just realized its 3 days till deadline.

[DTMaster]

Also, Faraday, I thought it was Alba's item.

@Tar

Confirm that you recieved Kathy's item

@Faraday
To limit the use of redirection and to act as a network of confirmation, your items can be passed on. If it's alright with MO/Tar/etc my best guess at a person who'd use it within reason is Nikanor because you can both night action and item night action in the same time frame (in this case Nikanor has a twlight action). What's more awesome is that due to his network, he'll be able to avoid PR conflicts, etc, etc and redirect people avoiding/planning our PR actions a little better. Assuming the network hasn't been infiltrated.

Or you can return it to Albatross and let him RB.

@Parama/Albatross/Faraday

Possessions and Oversoul are found in your role, not on your item only right?

[DTMaster]

In fact" Albatross,

do you still have possession and oversoul on you?

. I'm still hung up on this point because.. well.. it's still different for me. And Makes no sense with the JCA items/players

It means that if they still have a possession/oversoul power, that all the JCA players would have 4 actions with their item. If they passed on their item, they shouldn't have possession/oversoul. I just realized now that Kathy can fake the Oversoul ability because she received an item that could use possession and oversoul.

[DTMaster]

Tar/Faraday/Parama. Claim spirit companion name please. It's with the items. If you think about it logically, with Shaman King flavour (even though it's removed). Possession is when you use the spirit companion and merge with it. Oversoul is when you fuse your spirit companion and the item to produce a stronger form.

[DTMaster]

You want to lynch the confirmed lyncher who turn townie then? Okk...

[DTMaster]

Because shooting Manho isn't very townie. and Ihim flipping Mafia isn't . And ABR confirming this isn't . And Tar lied all game. /sarcasm


Or maybe I'm lazy and decided that since I used up my shots it's not worth keeping up my powers any
more. I can probably still protect since it's an item and not my role power but meh.

[DTMaster]

gais why is there a contradiction between Faraday/ Ooba and Parama?

[DTMaster]

An Kathy as well

[DTMaster]

Um I was confirmed lyncher -> town. Why would I make up my PR? I was a two shot vig. I used up my powers. My PR are linked to my powers. Thus I don't need to PR anymore.

[DTMaster]

What do you mean my QT wasn't important. It's how I communicated with Tar who talked to MO ( and then Nikanor read it). What didn't happen was MO relaying Mina to Tar then to me. In our QT Tar wanted dram dead if he died. He also said that MO and him wanted me to shoot ABR Or SB.

I was reluctant to shoot SB because killing h er will deactivate her item that super kills. I was reluctant to kill ABR because his census role makes little sense as scum, but best sense as cult recruit because he appears super pro
town to his role and his census was one shot so he'd be low
priority on NKs.

[DTMaster]

I chose to shoot ABR and protect Mina though. MO specifically want me to protect her.

[DTMaster]

My qt isn't a power... My bullets are my power and my vest. I lose my bullets or my vest if I break my PR. I can talk if I break it . Evidence that on N1 I talked but couldn't shoot.

[DTMaster]

My QT is part of the lyncher faction so I don't lose it. Since we became town it's like a mason QT. Thus my QT wasn't resulted from an ability. I probably could still talk the night of the roleblock but night was skipped.

[DTMaster]

Why would I start off with a PR even as a lyncher -> town win con. >>;;. The molassess of the Dram wagon is leading us to mafia. Not cult. Which is good and bad. The lack of Kathy speculation is poor.

MO (Troll) defending Kathy despite Mina's result is weird, but there is a huge contradiction in the JCA's claims.

Parama claimed that the actions of possession/over soul were item based, and that the items had a spirit companion. I can confirm this. But both Ooba and Faraday claimed that the items do have said abilities, but they did not have a spirit companion. You know that talk about how:

If Kathy's actions are correct and the JCA's can use possession and oversoul still, or they have personal possession and oversoul abilities outside their item, that means we caught scum in Albatross as the mystery redirector. Because Kathy's result points out that: S_B had a personal role ability of oversoul/possession eventhough she gave her item that allowed her to kill and super kill to tar

[DTMaster]

Because they claimed it. I have an item that oversouls and possesses from the Item Lottery.

[DTMaster]

If the JCA people can possess without their items, Albatross is confirmed scum. I don't see why anyone is picking this up? Kathy's result supports this. Which is why I asked

is possession/oversoul part of your role, or only in your item. because the way the items has been working, it looks like it's based on items. A spirit companion is needed to do either in the flavour of shaman king. I'm trying to see if I can clear Albatross right now

[DTMaster]

Either Kathy or Albatross is scum, but not together.

[DTMaster]

Even though Kai removed the flavour. If the spirit companion doesn't transfer, in Shaman King universe, you just need your spirit companion to possess. Oversoul flavour wise the combination of spirit and item.

See what I am getting at?

[DTMaster]

-_-;;;; we could be heading to lylo with the cult being in power soon and we get a person who gives up. Yay......

[DTMaster]

Except Dram can't meat shield anymore. If he did, we'd know he's instant scum. Reexamination the claim, we can stop Dram from meat shielding again after today. Dram-mafia isn't the correct lynch today.

[DTMaster]

Gais.

I lied about that. I talked to Tar N1 but lost my bullet proofness/kills because I didn't want to draw attention to the fact that I lost Vig kills. Obviously someone can confirm if I talked to Tar N1 because we argued whether or not to shoot MO, and Tar went screw it and shot SK out of his own scum reads. I personally wanted Parama/Dram/Manho/CMAR dead at the time. I ignored CMAR because his immortality was "proven" and wanted one of the former 3. If I could cop I said I wanted, Nikanor/MO/Ice. Then Tar just advised post less so I don't lose my powers so easily, since when I did I spammed a lot. We focused on the lurker pool more so that day.

Tar hinted though: That with multiple vigs, it's possible to have vigs outside of us due to patterns suggesting that there are a lot of BPs and/or doctors. etc. We might not be the only vigs around, hence S_B.

Think about it for a moment. I'm confirmed lyncher. We killed scum, and confirmed GF. We were confirmed Via ABR. Our wincons changed to town. And you want to lynch me. Also you want to lynch me under cult suspicions that I stopped using my PR, after telling everyone

we shouldn't lynch Mafia, and we should lynch the cult because cult could control LYLO in 2 day cycles if we don't hit their members.

What kind of logic is this?

My worship was accounted for

every night

. My actions were accounted for

every night

. I don't fit any of the criteria of cult members. Unless you're telling me that this analysis has all been bull, then what is your reasoning?

[DTMaster]

I'm trying to analyze this. Please use your brain for a second. If I'm mafia with anyone, it's with Tar.

[DTMaster]

Apologize. I'm on the last mission on SC2 and it's been eating my time D:. Rereading.

[DTMaster]

Tar why aren't you yelling at me in our QT? You haven't posted anything there.

[DTMaster]

Nikanor can you make a Quicktopic?

[DTMaster]

Actually

Kinetic, what if a dead townie replaced Adumbro for you? Someone like Spy, SK, etc.

Impossible. I only allow vanilla roles to replace back in and none of the dead townies fit that description.

[DTMaster]

V.V. I'd rather not waste such a useful player slot to modkills.

[DTMaster]

Except it's at conflict. You have someone who doesn't have to start off the game from Page 1, and you gain activity (hopefully). Despite how horribly it messes your meta read.

At this point and time with potential cults, the last thing we need is to lose a noncult player slot if Adumbro isn't cult.

[DTMaster]

Um. What are you talking about? I checked his recent posts. THe only posts that Adumbro did were here, in another ongoing game. And Mafia discussion from the 24th

[DTMaster]

A reviver cult is tricky and is plausable if cult just outright recruits him. Hence Fate is only possible as a recruit and not the leader. VV is being odd.

[DTMaster]

No, the QTs have frozen since no one is talking on my end. It's an obvious sign that scum in some way has paralyzed it. Aka ABR is right and we have cult in the network. I've chosen to protect based on the information avaliable to me. I understand what should happen tonight and tomorrow should confirm a few things. Plus MO. Please consider these key words of: Nikanor, ABR, and the network.

[DTMaster]

Its frozen as in Tar isn't talking to me other then 1 message.