Square Enix Mafia I: Diabolus Erus (GAME OVER)

[Chronopie]

I'm guessing elements are a big thing in this game.

I'm also guessing that there is an SK/vig (or JoaT) or 2 mafia factions (duh)

and that both kills were made by air/lightning elementals.

Anyone care to divulge exactly how elements work in this game?

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Also a quick point from the VC: Dram has two people voting for her, and only counts as 1...

[Chronopie]

Who here has played with Reck and/or Albert?

Vote: k7

Nope, and Nope.

[Chronopie]

It's possible that he's Cursed-death-miller-with vote-block-ability Uncle Ulty...

But No cause to use it N0

Vote: Iecerint

that's 5/11

[Chronopie]

Wow, just Wow.

Dram calling Ultros a fakeclaim

and

element fishing.

FoS: Dramonic

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Vote Count:

Iecerint: 5

(KDub, Glork, MehPlusRawr, PranaDevil, dramonic, Chronopie)

PranaDevil: 4

(inHimshallibe, Iecerint, bill1148, DarkLightA)

dramonic: 2

(bv310, FC Groningen)

Zodiark13: 1

(Devotress)

Glork: 2

(Zodiark13)

bv310: 1

(wolframnhart)

wolframnhart: 1

(Nautilus)

Chronopie: 1

(WorseExcuse)

Not Voting:

Antifinity
JPSalazar
killa seven

Lynch:

11 votes.

Deadline:

May 2nd - 5:40 PM EST

[Chronopie]

Now that I'm here, I've got to wonder what other elements are in play. If Lightning trumps Water, then does Water beat something? And can something beat Lightning? I'd love some clarification from someone who is Lightning, Water, or any other element.

Maybe Water>Fire? After all, we have a claimed Ifrit.


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I think we should wait a day or two (until we hit scum).

Therefore

Unvote

[Chronopie]

I agree with Dram here.

That flavour based defense sounds more like: "Oh shit, I've been rumbled. Think up an excuse."

Re-vote: Iecerint

[Chronopie]

I'm thinking this game has stalled somewhat.

We aren't lynching Ultros, who may or may not have inflicted blind.

Or Ramuh the lightning based elemental summon.

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btw Bahumut Has always been non-elemental/flare, never wind/lightning.

[Chronopie]

It was mostly Iecerint's Appeal to Glitch as a flavor based defense, which, as I said, stinks of:

Oh shit, I've been rumbled. Think up an excuse.

i.e. Iecerint had no real defence. baring wifom and irrelevant bug trivia. Thus my suspicions were re-awakened.

[Chronopie]

if he's been posting elsewhere, that's cause for an accusation of active lurking. Are we policy lynching now?

Unvote, Vote: Zodiark

bw go

[Chronopie]

Lets all policy lynch the lurker. Just six more votes.

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But seriously. he claims V/LA and posts in other places? That's not on. Not at all.

[Chronopie]

Posting elsewhere = active
Not posting here = Lurker

Active lurker = policy lynch via LaL.

[Chronopie]

He'd been posting earlier, so you think its possibly some sort of day power?

Fos: Antifinity

That would be the most anti-town, bastardy-mod role ever *. and this isn't a bastard game. I think probability = 0

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He

claimed

v/la, and posted elsewhere w/out checking in/posting here. so is active lurking

therefore he is a lynch target under the Lynch all Lurkers policy.

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*Don't necessarily take this statement literally

[Chronopie]

It was mostly Iecerint's Appeal to Glitch as a flavor based defense, which, as I said, stinks of:

Oh shit, I've been rumbled. Think up an excuse.

i.e. Iecerint had no real defence. baring wifom and irrelevant bug trivia. Thus my suspicions were re-awakened.

This should look familiar. It's what I posted last time you asked that question.

[Chronopie]

Basically, with his appeal to glitch he went back to looking scummy. i.e lynchable, instead of waiting.

[Chronopie]

I'm not phrasing this correctly, so I'll try again: He'd dropped lower on the 'To lynch' list, until the AtG, at which point he went back up to #1. Close as I can explain without rambling.

[Chronopie]

Was this the elemental Super-vote kinda thing? I'm assuming that you were asking about

water

orientation in particular bc lightning would be a ?double vote? vs water?

[Chronopie]

bc If he's water element he's not at L-2.

[Chronopie]

^Thats a water-element hardclaim people. Not 100% sure how element voting works, but afaik water voting water is effectively a null-vote.

[Chronopie]

@Dram, do me a favour and don't vote me k

I like my normal vote threshold.

[Chronopie]

my role pm.

[Chronopie]

my role pm said something about absorption.

[Chronopie]

If the mod would co-operate, we could element massclaim and verify.

ofc it would require frequent vote counts.

[Chronopie]

Just thinking... scratch the mass claim idea, too much variability.

@Dram, we overlooked the possibility of another lightning player having already voted zodiark, that would nullify my null-vote for a L-2 and not tell us anything.

[Chronopie]

Generally V/LA extends across all games. Therefore it's seen as active lurking when you selectively choose which games to play.

You're at L-2, and with the potential for elemental mayhem, that's claiming time. Do so.

[Chronopie]

So while we wait for Kise to get to a smarter computer, who are everyone's top scum picks?

Mine are Iecerint or Glork. and ani/paltry (WorseExcuse)

[Chronopie]

My role spec on Prana was based on the

I'm all for them trying to take me out. I'd advise town not to waste a night attacking me though.

which indicated, to me atleast, BP or commuter.

N1 Tidus claim:

Mumbling around his pacifier he says "I am Tidus! I am the biggest crybaby any of my friends have ever met, but in reality I am a JOAT who's powers are as follows:
1)Kick a person in the nuts with my blitzball, knocking that person out for the night which renders any powers they tried to use useless.

2)Annoy people for hours with my constant complaining so they leave me alone (one shot bulletproof)
3)Swim around for hours underwater and apparently never need to take a breath (commuter)

4)Make people believe I am a hero (when really I'm not) aka framer

5)Live in the shadow of my father (hider)

6)Protect a hot girl and never get any from her (bodyguard)

But since Crybaby posted again last night, Guess I was wrong.

[Chronopie]

and @Glork: Nope, never played w/ you before. If prana and anti are scum, they don't need to be x-killed, we just lynch 'em.

Also given mod flavor post, we can assume that like elements absorb kill attempts too. Not just votes.

My write-up had no intentions of displaying anything that happened during the night phase, other than Nautilius' death.

[Chronopie]

I agree, noone claim rosa/ifrit/???

claiming PRs this early = very bad idea.

FoS: Iecerint

[/baaaa]

[Chronopie]

Are they votes to lynch i.e L-6 etc just for Iecerint? No wait, some of those are on Antifinity Votes...

Or is it for an ability, someone?

Unvote, Vote: Iecerint

Unvote, Vote: Iecerint

Unvote, Vote: Iecerint

3,2,1?

3

[Chronopie]

Oh Shit, I just thought of what might be causing the red numbers...

Doom

Sorry for the arbitrariness.

[Chronopie]

That makes the red 2...

[Chronopie]

So Wolfram is the JoaT, and blind, wow.

Tidus Claim

1)Kick a person in the nuts with my blitzball, knocking that person out for the night which renders any powers they tried to use useless. (roleblock)
2)Annoy people for hours with my constant complaining so they leave me alone (one shot bulletproof)
3)Swim around for hours underwater and apparently never need to take a breath (commuter)
4)Make people believe I am a hero (when really I'm not) aka framer
5)Live in the shadow of my father (hider)
6)Protect a hot girl and never get any from her (bodyguard)

So what's the deal on self-framer? (4) Scum that flips town?

[Chronopie]

Vote Count:

Antifinity: 3

(Iecerint, Glork,

Chronopie

)

Iecerint: 2

(PranaDevil,

dramonic

)

Wait, what?

Unvote, Vote: Iecerint

Unvote, Vote: Iecerint

Unvote, Vote: Iecerint

Vote: Antifinity

@Mod: Is this right? or mod error?

[Chronopie]

FoS: Flip-Flop Dram

[Chronopie]

Vote: WRH

claiming Joat w/ framer (which btw sounded more like GF to me) = Scum

[Chronopie]

I hadn't associated the countdown with Doom originally (See post on arbitrariness). Additionally, we didn't know who doom was targeting. Starbuck only told us about the status effect after that 'push'

If I

knew

that the countdown was for Doom, would I have been so obv. scum to deliberately try push the counter?

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Also, Care to tell us which status effect Anti?

[Chronopie]

Did you even look at what I posted?

I wouldn't have been such an obv. scum as to push for a quick doom. qed: Not scum -.-

@Mod: Votecount Please

It comes with each new page, or a lynch...

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Vote Count:

PranaDevil: 4

(FC Groningen, MehPlusRawr, JPSalazar, Antifinity)

Chronopie: 3

(wolframnhart, Devotress, bv310, Iecerint)

wolframnhart: 2

(dramonic, WorseExcuse)

Iecerint: 2

(Chronopie, KDub)

FC Groningen: 1

(PranaDevil)

Not Voting:

bill1148
DragonsofSummer
Glork
inHimshallibe

Lynch:

9 votes.

Deadline:

May 16th - 3:00 PM EST

[Chronopie]

I was waiting for the obv. 'duh... no you wouldn't have pushed as scum, because even stupid scum wouldn't make that much of an obv scum post (as scum).'
As town, it's more acceptable to do things like that, because, as the uninformed majority, individuals matter less, as long as the town wins.

So no, I disagree that it's wifom. 0 scum motivation for that post.

[Chronopie]

Unvote, Vote: Antifinity

Anti just feels the scummier of the pair (prana and Anti) to me.

[Chronopie]

Lastly, did anyone else notice that there are five people voting for me, but only four count? That is pretty damn weird. My guess is either one of those people is blind, or I'm being buffed by the song... or it could be a miscount... idk...

Wolf is blind, he posted that several days ago. Same black gloop, but no vote on him, unlike Glork's D1.

[Chronopie]

Zodiark's active lurking wasn't helping us.

I multi-iso'd Prana and Anti, and anti seems the scummier of the pair. 'nuff said.

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Vote Count:

Antifinity: 5

(Iecerint, PranaDevil, FC Groningen, wolframnhart, dramonic, Chronopie)

PranaDevil: 5

(MehPlusRawr, JPSalazar, Antifinity, bill1148, Glork)

Chronopie: 2

(Devotress, bv310)

wolframnhart: 1

(WorseExcuse)

Iecerint: 1

(KDub)

Not Voting:

DragonsofSummer
inHimshallibe

Lynch:

9 votes.

Deadline:

May 16th - 3:00 PM EST

[Chronopie]

Bleh, cross posted with Iecerint, sounds like a bad mimicry.

[Chronopie]

The MD hydra discussion pretty much covers it, it's a case of: let the other player (in the hydra) look for the scum for now, I'll take over/look in later.

I think that both halves of the hydra are playing ^

[Chronopie]

What's to say that someone isn't a shadow voter? Doesn't have to be a scum player either. Just a double voter with a night mechanic to their second vote.

Therefore Vote, Blind are different abilitites. Therefore Wolf could be any ****ing role in the game.

Also, to be immune to part of an ability would be bastard-y.

I don't buy it.

[Chronopie]

Wow, lurker alert, BV310 has seven posts in the entire game.

#1 RVS - Votes for worseexcuse for being a paltry-ani hydra

#2 Flavor discussion of 1 line

#3 Votes Dram

#4 'been prodded' votes anti based on anti's asking for ifrit to claim

#5 fluff

#6 Policy vote on Zodiark

#7 Votes me based on my 'push' of doom

HoS: Bv310

Leaving my vote on Anti for now.

[Chronopie]

Excuses aside, here's my catchup for the past few pages (in chronological order):

First off, Antifinity's "Cloaked Man". My best guess for this is either: A) A Tonberry (or Organization XIII) casting some kind of Mute ability, B) Ansem the Wise/Xemnas/DiZ casting something positive (like a Dispel ability), C) Scum gambiting to explain something that might manifest later

A) Org. XIII have black cloaks, not brown B) Ansem/Xemnas are the prime antagonists in in KH/KHII, and if we go with good=good, unlikely. Also see re: A) on Xemnas. C) is a possibility.

And yes, MS takes longer to load a page than any other site I visit, has been for the last few days.

[Chronopie]

Oh right, I was thinking of Ansem, the seeker of darkness aka Xehanort's heartless >.< my bad.

[Chronopie]

Member IX

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ofc The description was someone in a brown cloak. So I still don't think its a member of Org. XIII

[Chronopie]

I was already voting antifinity, and he's just re-enforcing his scumminess.

Was it just because I took a few minutes to discuss flavour?

[Chronopie]

Sorry guys, been a hectic week, haven't been devoting my usual attention to my games.

WE's lurking was bad (anti-town) before, but now it's just scummy.

Not so sure on Iece, I don't have a definite read either way. I'd rather not muddy the water with a DM lynch.

[Chronopie]

Well yeah...

Alright, I'm sold.

Unvote, Vote: Iecerint

[Chronopie]

So now Glork wants to vig Ramuh...

Although, tbh, Dram has been playing slighty scummy.

[Chronopie]

Having looked at the last two vote counts, I'm tempted to guess that either Iecerint is Fire element, and my Water element is a double vote, or Bv310 is an elemental, that Iecerint is weak to.

Vote Count:

Iecerint: 4

(KDub, WorseExcuse, Glork, inHimshallibe)

Vote Count:

Iecerint: 7

(KDub, WorseExcuse, Glork, inHimshallibe, bv310, Chronopie)

@Iecerint: Which element?

Also:

@Mod: VC/Lynchscene please

Coming right up!

[Chronopie]

EBWOP: Also, Iecerint is clearly not Water element, because that would have been a null-vote on my part.

[Chronopie]

Err...

Then why did you gain 3 votes on the counter, with just 2 people? Unless the shadow vote has returned...

(the shadow vote that glork had all day yesterday)

[Chronopie]

And if you are null element, then we just wait on Kise.

[Chronopie]

If anything, the Music notes sound like a roleblocker.

The FoS's didn't change the doom count, so I'm assuming they're safe. Either that or Kise has yet to edit them in.

[Chronopie]

That sounds like a negation ability. In which case, that may explain why two players were not killed N2...because Anti was negated.

Just noticed this. Do you know something we don't bill? Such as Anti is

definitely

a killing role?

FoS: Bill

[Chronopie]

It'll take 8 votes to lynch, we have 10 points on the doom counter. and 2 weeks until deadline.

We have a spare to test whether or not the blind status affects doom. (ofc we should make sure that we know who is to vote/hammer so we don't hammer without testing.)

also:

Un-Fos: bill

I'm guessing that he was just saying that he believes that the killer was RB'd, not that it was necessarily Anti.

[Chronopie]

What I said in my last post may not be entirely valid, i.e. we may not have any spare votes, because we may have elemental *-ups.

Although we haven't had any elemental vote modifiers in play... yet.

[Chronopie]

10 - 1 Test vote - 8 votes = 1.

Doom acts on 0.

We just have to make sure that the scum doesn't have time to place a vote on someone else in the middle of the lynch chain.

But the odds of having 8 people online to chain vote like that isn't great.

You have a point Glork.

[Chronopie]

If we assume that the rest of Bv's scumgroup are the other fiends, (Tiamat, Lich, Kraken). Then it is logical to assume that kills are flavored. Therefore different mafioso = different kill flavor? (i.e Electrocuted, Drowned etc). Although it doesn't explain why marilis was drowned if it was Kraken killing. Maybe a redirect?

I could see 'Reduced to nothing' being Death, as a parallel to Doom.

[Chronopie]

So two NK'ing factions, and an third party Doom caster/SK?

That would work.

[Chronopie]

EBWOP: NK faction or vig.

[Chronopie]

If I had a vote, I'd probably aim it at anti, he was pinging my scumdar yesterday. On the bright side, my being stripped of vote has very little effect, in fact it may be a good thing.

Doom counter has 9 left, Anti is at L-6, anyone else is at L-7.

9-6 = 3. that's enough to account for any elemental vote-play.

9-7 =2. That's still enough for elemental vote modifiers.

So my being stripped of a vote, and the reduction in Lynch majority, acts like a universal vote in this case.

ofc if we remove the doom counter from consideration (i.e. ignore it), then my lack of vote is a liability.

[Chronopie]

Kinda. Although I did indeed Fuck Up, it hasn't really hurt the town all

that

much.

[Chronopie]

JP's jump on voting before an agreeable to majority lynch target is scummy, as it reduces the chance of Survival of Doom on the doomed player (Devo)

[Chronopie]

ofc This all assumes that Doom is negated by days end, rather than acting regardless.

[Chronopie]

Chronopie has been made voteless for the remainder of this day phase due to a violation of the rules. With 13 votes in play, I will make the

lynch threshold 7 instead of 8.

Please do not inquire about this offense.

[Chronopie]

Note: All my Vote/Unvotes were in a single post. Idk if multiple vote/unvote in multiple posts would run down the counter. ofc if anyone tries that today, they're setting themselves up for a lynch tomorrow.

[Chronopie]

The reason that people weren't voting, just using FoS'es, was because of the doom counter, which killed Starbuck yesterday, is on Devotress today.

The idea was to beat the counter, by picking a target, though FoS'ing, then placing the required 7 votes to lynch, leaving numbers on the counter, thus negating doom. (We hope)

Between your premature vote, and JP's premature vote, we now have to lynch either Anti or Prana. or lose Devo to doom for certain.

If-I-Had-A-Fos: DTM

[Chronopie]

@DTM #1027: Yes, Marilis (Bv310) (orange Mafia - Fire elemental snake woman) was drowned Night 2.

My personal Theory is that We have 2 scum factions and a Vig. Although I could see an SK.

Also, has anyone considered the possibility of a Black Mage, in so far as flavours of kills?

[Chronopie]

Glork: I disagree on Orange Mafia being Reduced to nothing/Doom, as Bv310 was fire element.

[Chronopie]

I'd still attribute the Drown Kill to Kraken, Rather than the electrocution which sounds like Tiamat more..

But here I hit a snag. Kraken wouldn't Target Marilis. So that would indicate a redirect/bus driver, but that would be two kills from the one group in one night. Or another group targeted Bv310 for drowning.

[Chronopie]

Apart from Demyx from KH series (who I already discounted as being unlikely - Due to cloak colour) I can't think of any.

As a refresher: The music was a large someone possibly not human, in a brown cloak.

[Chronopie]

Here's the actual quote:

I got some weird flavor last night. A big brown cloaked man shot musical notes out of his mouth at my ears. My guess from the description is that it might be a Tonberry, as many comments are made about how it might not be human. I wasn't told what effect, if any, that the singing(?) actually had.

However, Anti wasn't told specifically that they did nothing. Unless it's an omission on Anti's part. Which I doubt, seeing as they weren't told what effect it had.

[Chronopie]

And there we go -.-

Congratulations, You just single-handedly killed Devotress.

[Chronopie]

EBWOP: Unless the town Lynches Anti. In that case we only reach 1. If I'm counting correctly.

[Chronopie]

We've had music three times.

When Anti was target, he had no info on effect.

Starbuck was informed that they were Roleblocked.

Devo claims to have had the same Flavour as SB, therefore I'm assuming Roleblocked.

[Chronopie]

"Odin used zantestzuken!
SURPRISE!
Prana is actually Seifer!
Odin has been killed...
DTMaster has gained "Summon: Gilgamesh" (25% dayvig)"

Hmm...

I have to laugh at this.

[Chronopie]

Odin didn't show up, and the doom counter didn't tick down on DTM's second vote.

Therefore, He would make a good lynch today, and we will (probably) have Devo around for tomorrow.

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Preview Edit: Everyone follow suit.

[Chronopie]

I see, DTM is one of the 'Roleblocker is def. scum' group. A town RB is a possibility. Isn't it?

But yes, that would mean that the RB is not scum with Devo or Anti. Whether Anti, Devo, and the RB are town, opposing scum faction, or a mix, is still unknown.

[Chronopie]

We don't know if the same person voting again in succession modify the counter.

But we know that people that vote again (with other votes between) do change the Doom counter.

Day 2. Prana cast the Doom Hammer vote (for lack of a better word), when he'd already voted on Iecerint earlier that day.

[Chronopie]

I'd assumed that he'd breadcrumbed either BP, Commuter, or Hider, in that order. (This was before the VT claim ofc).

Also, no more red numbers have been added to those most recent votes, but idk if Kise has been online since they were made.

[Chronopie]

FTR stumps can't be lynched. I can. I'm just a plain voteless water elemental. For today. Tomorrow (Provided I survive the night), I get my vote back.

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Vote Count:

PranaDevil: 7

(dramonic, Glork, PranaDevil, bill1148, Devotress, MehPlusRawr, AdumbrosDeus)

Antifinity: 1

(JPSalazar)

AdumbroDeus: 1

(DTMaster)

Not Voting:

Antifinity
Chronopie (Voteless)
KDub
thatguy00
wolframnhart

Lynch:

7 votes.

Deadline:

June 1st - 3:00 PM EST

[Chronopie]

Who's doomed? is anyone roleblocked / did anyone get music-ed? <other pertinent questions here>

[Chronopie]

Blind, that's the other pertinent question I was trying to think of.

[Chronopie]

Well there's only a single '10', not a 10 and another number...

Flavour wise, it would make sense that we negated the doom counter. and Kise is a Flavour Junky.

*om nom nom nom*

[Chronopie]

Alive: 12

3. JPSalazar
4. KDub
6. Devotress
8. Glork
10. Chronopie
11. Antifinity
13. thatguy00

WorseExcuse

16. bill1148
17. dramonic
19. AdumbroDeus

FC Groningen

21. wolframnhart
22. MehPlusRawr

Those I wouldn't mind seeing dead, by Lynch, or Vig:

4. Kdub
11. Antifinity
13. Thatguy00 (based mostly on WE's atrocious play)
16. Bill1148 (just been giving me scummy vibes)
17. dramonic (for forcing the lynch yesterday)
22. MPR (Is he even still around? Lurker alert, worked for BV)

HoS: Kdub

(in place of vote)

[Chronopie]

@Mod: Check my sig, V/LA

[Chronopie]

Chrono, any reason for your HoS?

Not really, just that you're marked as player #1, thus at the top of the 'wouldn't mind seeing dead' list. I'd be willing to vote any of those 6.

HoS Antifinity
HoS Thatguy00
HoS Bill1148
HoS dramonic
HoS MPR

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Vote Count:

No wagons today.

Not Voting:

AdumbroDeus
Antifinity
bill1148
Chronopie
Devotress
dramonic
Glork
JPSalazar
KDub
MehPlusRawr
thatguy00
wolframnhart

Lynch:

7 votes.

Deadline:

June 15th - 9:00 PM EST

[Chronopie]

Congrats JP

--

Taking a quick break from study, read the last few pages again. I don't get why, if we have two possible scum groups (Marilis etc, and Scarmiglione, barbiccia etc.), assuming that Kise didn't mix and match, why we only had the vig kill last night.

--

One possibility is that Kdub is actually scum, possible even the RB, the RB targeted DTM, vig killed DTM, doc (if we have one) protected the scum group's kill target (or was elementally immune), and because DTM can't contradict him, is claiming RB'd for town cred. /

baseless

speculation

[Chronopie]

EBWOP: Kise is a flavour junky, so i doubt he'd mix and match.

EBWOP2: Kdub is actually scum (on the only scum team) <- for clarity of speculation.

[Chronopie]

Fair enough on the kill flavours, but why would the mafia hit DTM? he would've been prime mislynch material.

Still doesn't explain the lack of a second kill. And Kraken could =drowned.

[Chronopie]

Point, I keep forgetting that.

Alright, so if we go with two scum team theory, being Lich, Kraken, Marilis, and Tiamat (who would fit the electrocuted kill flavour), and Scarmiglione, Barbariccia, Cagnazzo, and Rubicante.

Why was there only one kill N2 and N4? and where's the doom coming from D2/3/4?

[Chronopie]

Also, that would leave us with 7 living scum, v.s 5 Town (4 if Sk = doom). Does seem imbalanced.

[Chronopie]

I doubt each team has all four. I think it is more likely they would be on one "monster" team vs "villain" team, or something like that.

What does this mean, I don't understand. Clarify thx.

[Chronopie]

Holy blindingly awesome wall post of awesomeness Glork. I'd quote it for truth (qft) but that wouldn't do it justice.

Glork is Town. No argument.

MPR looks like lurker-scum, kind of like how BV was lurker-scum. I'd be very happy with his lynch.

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JP, Chrono, Glork, and Bill are now

HoS

ing MPR. 10 on the doom counter, 7 votes required for lynch. 3 more HoS's and it's go time.

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I doubt that Doom is a mafia, assuming we have two mafias, as giving just one 2x kills is imba. even if we have found a way around it.

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Vote Count:

The fight is yet to begun

Not Voting:

AdumbroDeus
Antifinity
bill1148
Chronopie
Devotress
dramonic
Glork
JPSalazar
KDub
MehPlusRawr
thatguy00
wolframnhart

Lynch:

7 votes.

Deadline:

June 15th - 9:00 PM EST

[Chronopie]

N3/D4: Blank (thief) electrocuted, Marilis (Goon) Drowned, Devotress Doomed. If we assume that both kills were the 2 mafias, then Doom is another kill for one side. or an SK.

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EBWOP: N2/D3 not 3/4

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So as Kdub was RB'd (apparently), does that make him mafia?

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I doubt each team has all four. I think it is more likely they would be on one "monster" team vs "villain" team, or something like that.

What does this mean, I don't understand. Clarify thx.

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and ftr: I'm tempted to force our hand, due to the low levels of activity.

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As a defence, that falls pretty flat. I'm liking this HoS wagon more.
You missed several points, including, but not limited to: Lack of content, failure to address multiple people

at all

, and piggybacking others cases for no apparent reason. Additionally, your tl;dr trivialises several decent points made against you.

If I had a second vote, it would also go here.

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Actually, what did happen to the shadow vote?

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@Kdub, it's precisely because I hadn't really seen fit mention you that you made my scum list, it's a case of staying under the radar to the point where I seem to have passed over you, too many times for it to be coincidental.

Active enough to not register as lurker, with enough content to not register as active luker, but not enough for a town read.

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I agree, MPR should claim in his next post.

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UnHoS: MPR

Not lynching a doc claim today. unless we have a cc.

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@kdub: I never leave a vote on a claimed doc, in case a scummy player hammers, say maybe the secondary scum lead, or opposing wagon. A cc is the only realistic thing that would make me put my vote back on. I'm treating my HoS as a pseudo vote.

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What? ThatGuy cc'd (x-posted aswell)

That makes me alot happier. MPR lynching is back on the table.

Vote: MPR

- If MPR flips town, we are ofc going after Guy tomorrow.

8

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Devil's advocate says: Bullet proof townie, Hider, Commuter, BP scum (strongman or BP GF), or

self protecting doc

all

fit that form of 'proof'

[Chronopie]

Actually, glork raises a good point. RB would negate self protection = kill

[Chronopie]

Didn't you get the flavour pm kise sent WE originally? Kiiissseeee......

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Unofficial Vote count:

MPR (2): Thatguy00, Chronopie (L-5)

Not Voting: everyone else
Blind: Glork

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Note: That assumes no elemental horseplay. Official VC please Kise.

[Chronopie]

I thought that cursed = RB'd?

Therefore no doc protection...

Therefore, I'm guessing that we have another BP role of some kind. al la prana

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lol x-posted.

Thatguy = Lich would explain the lack of kill/doom. but it would be silly of him to claim RB'd outright.

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@Bill: the drownings inflicted on the scum team (and DTM, my bad) i.e. Water i.e. me, is

actually

a vig.

Name claim: Leviathan.

Role: Vig.

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Mass claiming via popcorn: Antifinity

[Chronopie]

idk, I'm just a vig.

I'll go find some of my crumbs...

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Iso #0: I'm guessing elements are a big thing in this game. I'm also guessing that there is an

SK/

vig.

Iso #4: Water>Fire

? After all, we have a claimed Ifrit.

Iso #15: Was this the elemental Super-vote kinda thing? I'm assuming that you were asking about water orientation in particular bc lightning would be a ?double vote? vs water?

Cluster of other posts: Water hint, water hint... I'm just a plain voteless water elemental. water hint...

And looking at the inn: Dislike DTM...

And back to the thread: wouldn't mind seeing dead: #1 kdub

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I'm surprised I made it this far. btw: as I underlined above Water>Fire. and Lightning>water.

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Those I wouldn't mind seeing dead, by Lynch, or Vig:

11. Antifinity
16. Bill1148 (just been giving me scummy vibes)
17. dramonic (for forcing the lynch D3)

4. Kdub

- Booyah, Tiamat

22. MPR (Is he even still around? Lurker alert, worked for BV)

- Kraken

13.

Thatguy00 (based mostly on WE's atrocious play) - Doc, no kill.

Just thought I'd repost this.

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The fact remains that killing off DTM was a, at the time, a pro-town move. he looked scummy, therefore it was in the town's best interest to kill him off. It would have been in the scum's best interest to leave him as mislynch material. amirite?

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Glork, anti, and adumbro still have to claim. We've seen one earth claim, one Water claim, and one lightning claim

According to the (unlikely - as I'm vig) two scum team idea, we should have one more earth, one fire, and one... wind. That also doesn't account for other/a second possible BP townie/s, a possible second doc, and maybe a cop, watcher, tracker, or other investigative role.

What would a thief get from me? a scale? a tooth? a drop of water/water crystal?

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Actually, JP has a point. Bv310 was a lurker, and proved to be Marilith when drowned (win), MPR was Kraken-lurker, and Kdub was Tiamat-Lurker once drowned (win). Bill was lurker, until today. Lich?

Would that be too easy?

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A game where LaL is the most effective strategy. LoL.

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Actually, by LoL I meant lol.

by LaL I meant Lynch all Lurkers (even if I did drown 2/3 of them).

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idk about the doom. maybe JP is telling the truth with the dodging.

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You're misunderstanding. Lightning > Water. Water negates Water.

So my MPR vote didn't count, while Drams MPR vote was x2.

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I'd rather not quote my pm, but I'm pretty sure it said that like absorbs like, and raises vote threshold i.e negation, whereas voting for an element I had dominance against (fire) is "super effective" to quote pokemon.

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Note to self: Use preview once in a while.

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To sum it up. Yes.

Would Glork, Anti, and AD please post with claims. it's mass claiming time.

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So we're just waiting for anti to claim, then we can work out our best move.

@Mod: prod anti please.

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I don't get it either.

I think Dram meant that you thought that dram as lightning was strong against earth? thus double vote? and dram thought that you meant wind. which is barbariccia, which if we go with the (improbable) two scum team theory, of which we have no proof, is one of the scum.

tl;dr clusterf**k of confusion.

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claims so far

3. JPSalazar (Galuf Baldesian [commuter: Earth element])

8. Glork (Rosa from FF4 [doctor])

10. Chronopie (Leviathan [Vig: Water element])

11. Antifinity

13. thatguy00 (Ceodore Harvey from FF4: After Years [doctor])

16. bill1148 (Regent Cid from FF9 [vanilla])

17. dramonic (Ramuh [Lightning element])

19. AdumbroDeus (Ingus from FF3 [vanilla])

21. Midnight's Sorrow (Rikken from FF12 [vanilla])

looking at this, I can understand having various elemental

townspeople

. after all, if only scum had elemental roles, every time the VC was distorted, we'd've had a two-for-one scum deal.

It'd be like: Hey, X voted for Y and it was a double vote, they're both scum, get them.

and Prana being our BP, under the name of elemental resistances, makes sense if the scum have elemental attacks (and my vigging).

tl;dr We either have one scum team, plus some elemental townies, or there are two teams, with scum among the 'Vanilla' claims. in which case we're screwed, as they outnumber us.

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Anti needs to show up and claim.

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Vote: Antifinity

scummy vibes. lurking. last person to claim. etc. etc.

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Midnight is mad.

The votes on MPR-scum still decreased the counter.

[Chronopie]

Keep reading MS.

If we don't find the last scum, today (and it's not me you string up) I'll try take out the last scum. If we/I find them, and the game isn't ended, you can string me up tomorrow. deal?

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On lylo/endgame protocols: if a vig still exists, do they automatically still get endgamed, or does the game continue until either the mafia or all town aligned killing roles (vigs) are dead?

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I'll cross replace. Oh wait. I'm already in Rapture.

@Bill: AFAIAC: the two scum theory went out the window, when the claims pointed out that there were only a few people claiming elements. If only scum were elementals, every time we had a double vote/null vote, it would be a big neon sign saying: These two people are scum, as there is an elemental Vote modifier, and only scum are elements!!!11!!

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@Bill: The two scum theory -> window, was a reference to the latest two scum team posting you made.

and no, I didn't target anyone N1/N2. I like to be fairly sure on my reads before I start firing.

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I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I do not believe we have two scum teams, for multiple reasons, being: 1) I'm a vig. 2) I'm water element. 3) I'm town aligned, according to my PM. 4) If only scum were elementals, everytime we had a VC distortion, we would have been able to narrow down the Scum list to those who voted between the VCs + the lynchee. i.e. imbalanced towards town.

So my town list is basically going to be Myself (Water - Vig), Dram (Lightning), Glork and Thatguy00 (Docs).

My Suspicions are any of the VTs, JP (Earth - Commuter), and Anti-yet-to-claim-finity. Lich is going to be among these people, and that's the game, wrapped up.

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Glork, seeing as Anti has yet to show up, care revealing Protection targets anyway?

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I'm convinced that Either JP, Anti or Bill is Lich. I propose we lynch Anti, Shoot Bill, then Lynch JP.

BTW: I has Tech secret info (Borrowing a phrase from SpyreX lol), relating to Doom.

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on 435: tbqh, didn't Prana's post of "scum should target me, but town shouldn't bother" suggest some form of kill negation to you? The most common forms of negation??? BP, commuter, Hider.

Reaching for connections where there aren't any...

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Actually, the point bill made of Anti being RB'd (assuming that he (Anti) was telling the truth), is tech, because it rules out Anti being Lich.

Lynch Bill, Shoot JP.*

*Drown, same difference

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^Based on the above:

Unvote, Vote: Bill

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Chrono = Cagnazzo
JP = Scarmiglione
dramonic = Barbarricia
Glork / thatguy / Adumbro / Midnight= Rubicante
Anti / Adumbro / JP = Lich

Chrono and JP are obvious. dramonic is a bit harder though. Barbarricia is a wind flavor and there are very few wind types in the Final Fantasy universe. Lightning is the closest thing to wind. Rubicante is just a shot in the dark, but I'm pretty confident that it's one of those four. Lich is definitely either Anti or Adumbro. It's still possible that Rubicante and Lich don't exist, however.

I spy a scum slip. Can anyone else spot it? Hint: Look at the role assumptions.

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The tech secret Info I has is quite simple: Lich = Doom.

It's an ability much like MPR had Blinding.

New Simple idea.

No lynch

, protect the potential undeads. Kill them off that way. If they live tomorrow, they're cleared.

Vote: No lynch

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Based on the Lich = doom, and Doom was around when Anti claimed Blocked. Anti is cleared Town. geddit.

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Possibly Lich

3. JPSalazar (Galuf Baldesian [commuter: Earth element])
16. bill1148 (Regent Cid from FF9 [vanilla])
19. AdumbroDeus (Ingus from FF3 [vanilla])
21. Midnight's Sorrow (Rikken from FF12 [vanilla])

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Not Lich

8. Glork (Rosa from FF4 [doctor])
10. Chronopie (Leviathan [Vig: Water element])
11. Antifinity (Fiona from Crystal Chronicals [vanilla])
13. thatguy00 (Ceodore Harvey from FF4: After Years [doctor])17. dramonic (Ramuh [Lightning element])

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Midnights latest post is terribad.

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I found that that Lich = Doom because I was PM-ing kise on whether Flavour text would give specific roles away at any point. e.g "You see a Sea serpent spinning around, creating a typhoon around it's hapless victim etc."

And Kise replied that he'd been planning to include more specific flavour texts as the game neared completion, and used

Lich's Doom

as an example.

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[Chronopie]

Chrono = Cagnazzo

JP = Scarmiglione

dramonic = Barbarricia
Glork / thatguy / Adumbro / Midnight= Rubicante

Anti / Adumbro / JP = Lich

Chrono and

JP are obvious.

dramonic is a bit harder though. Barbarricia is a wind flavor and there are very few wind types in the Final Fantasy universe. Lightning is the closest thing to wind. Rubicante is just a shot in the dark, but I'm pretty confident that it's one of those four.

Lich is definitely either Anti or Adumbro.

It's still possible that Rubicante and

Lich don't exist

, however.

I spy a scum slip. Can anyone else spot it? Hint: Look at the role assumptions.

Follow up on this. Basically Bill said: "JP is def. Scarmiglione (Who we have no

proof

exists), however, def. Scarmiglione can also be potential Lich, but the other potential Lichs cannot be Potential Scarmigliones? Therefore the

other two only

can be Lich, as in JP is def. Scarmiglione. and Lich doesn't necessarily exist."

What it reads as: "Hi, I'm Lich. The claimed earth is the only choice for the

other

Earth based scum, and two randomly selected VTs might be the role I actually am, as if I admit it, I'm going to die, either as today's lynch or tonight's NK, as I cannot be protected."

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If we've got another elemental scum-group set, almost definitely air.

Again with the two-elemental-scum-group theory. ffs.

If only scum were elementals, everytime we had a VC distortion, we could say "look. VC distortion. The wagonee, and the latest voter, are elementals i.e. Scum. We have our next two lynches set up for us."

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Possibly Lich

3. JPSalazar (Galuf Baldesian [commuter: Earth element])
16. bill1148 (Regent Cid from FF9 [vanilla])
19. AdumbroDeus (Ingus from FF3 [vanilla])
21. Midnight's Sorrow (Rikken from FF12 [vanilla])

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Not Lich

8. Glork (Rosa from FF4 [doctor])
10. Chronopie (Leviathan [Vig: Water element])
11. Antifinity (Fiona from Crystal Chronicals [vanilla])
13. thatguy00 (Ceodore Harvey from FF4: After Years [doctor])
17. dramonic (Ramuh [Lightning element])

Dear Kise: Please make me a 4-shot during 1 Day Day-Vig, so I can kill off the top list. In no particular order: Bill, MS, JP, AD

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Even a One-Shot?

Drown: Bill

Please make it happen

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Looking back through Bill's Iso, I found some more scumslips. 20:20 hindsight is epic.

Personally, I believe that the Blind & Anon. Vote are from the same player and the same ability.

This proved to be MPR, blinder/vote thief.

but if there exists a "double-voter," and if Blind and Anon. Vote are two separate abilities used by two different players, do you know how small the probability is that the same player was targeted by two different players in the same Night Phase?

Translation: "I know something you don't."

The other likely mafia to Marilith's team are:

Lich- (Doom?)
Kraken- (Blind?)
Tiamat- (???)

Oh look, Lich = Doom. lol. inside knowledge scumslip. (Tiamat was goon).

Except it was guaranteed to work D1 and D2 if used. The minimum required votes to kill someone D1 was, what, 12? The minimum required votes to kill someone D2 was 10. In both situations, it would not have mattered whether we just FOS' or not. The player with Doom would die regardless if we intended to lynch anyone.

I know how doom works!!11!!

"Doom" (Starbuck & Devo) is HIGHLY UNLIKELY to be a Vig or SK. Because a) it was used on two of the more pro-town players here. and b) if it were an SK ability, it would greatly limit his ability to kill.

I know doom is a Mafia ability.

To sum it up, I theorize this:

Electrocution is a SK
Drowned/Reduced to Nothing + Doom is Mafia

OR

Electrocution + Doom is Mafia

Drowned/Reduced to Nothing is a SK

OR

Electrocution (and maybe Doom) is one Mafia
Drowned/Reduced to Nothing (and maybe Doom)is a second Mafia

Bold emphasis mine. Tiamat + Lich.

I was targeted by the brown cloaked music man last night.

Duly noted.

Doom- either Lich, one of the four mentioned below, or a Vig/SK (doubtful).

Translation: I know Doom = Lich. before it became common knowledge.

Interesting that no one was doomed last night. I'm going to assume that our Doomer decided it is pointless to use the ability any longer, since it only gives away other player's factions. Which means Doom is defintely not a Vig or SK.

My Doom has been rendered ineffective, so I've stopped submitting it.

a) There is no guarantee that Lich exists; it's still possible that there are two scum groups of 3, which would mean one scum group has already been eliminated.

After saying that Lich exists, all of a sudden it's "nope Lich never existed *Whistle nonchalantly**"

Lich being the only enemy left is impossible.

Why?

Umm...no, I'm not Lich.

Lich would say that. He can't be protected, bc that kills Lich, and as such, would die the very same night.

And JP is probably lying. He claimed Earth elemental in the same post he claimed Galuf: Commuter (Post 1443). Then he said he had no strengths or weaknesses (Post 1534). If thats true, WHY HAVE AN ELEMENT.

"I am earth element, but I claimed vanilla, cos I'd die otherwise. But I know you're lying"

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tl;dr Bill knew about Doom specifics earlier than the rest of us, but knows that He can't claim Lich, as that will see him either a)Swinging, or b) Swimming (Failing at swimming)

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@Glork: What's your opinion of my Lich shortlist? (JP/Bill/Midnight/AD)

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Also ftr: I'm willing to make a 1:1 trade. We lynch Bill, and if he's Vanilla (not Lich), I'll take the rope tomorrow.

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Also ftr: I'm willing to make a 1:1 trade. We lynch Bill, and if he's Vanilla (not Lich), I'll take the rope tomorrow, if I don't die tonight.

EBWOP

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I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I do not believe we have two scum teams, for multiple reasons, being: 1) I'm a vig. 2) I'm water element. 3) I'm town aligned, according to my PM. 4) If only scum were elementals, everytime we had a VC distortion, we would have been able to narrow down the Scum list to those who voted between the VCs + the lynchee. i.e. imbalanced towards town.

This look familiar?

Translation: I do not believe we need to lynch any other scum team, therefore I want to lynch Lich because I believe that He (Lich) is the only scum left. Therefore I am going to ignore the question.

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and If you truly are so insistent that we aren't lynching Bill today. vote

No Lynch

with me, protect Bill, and we'll know once and for all. Assuming that your protection actually would kill Lich. Is that property of your protection (undead-killing) certain, or conjecture?

[Chronopie]

and If you truly are so insistent that we aren't lynching Bill today. vote

No Lynch

with me, protect Bill, and we'll know once and for all. Assuming that your protection actually would kill Lich. Is that property of your protection (undead-killing) certain, or conjecture?

And what if Bill is part of the scumgroup we've been killing off and there IS another?


If we kill him off, we've lost.

Then I epically Fail at estimating Kise's Modding. Approaching my theory from another view:

Unless Kise is an absolute and utter idiot, He would have no reason to make only Scum elementals. As I said before, such modding would lead to Big, Big, Bright Neon Sign over scums heads, as soon as we had an elemental Vote shift.

I don't think Kise is an idiot, so I choose to believe that he wouldn't have made the scum groups the only elementals. As that would be Epic Fail, as it would be clearly imba towards town.

Therefore we can assume that Elementals are not automatically scum. and considering the number of elemental claims, the remaining elementals are probably town. (except

maybe

JP - Earth).

Therefore, if there is another scum group, It's unlikely to be the claimed elementals. Therefore I would look to the Vanilla Claims. But we don't have enough vanillas for that either, and the Doc claims seem to verify each other. So I doubt we have a second scum team.

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Actually, we do have enough

Claimed

Vanillas for a second scum team, but given the 2x Thief, 2x Doc, 1x Vig, 1x commuter (maybe), and a bundle of vanillas, vs. 2x goons, 1x Doomer, and 1x Blinder/Vote thief, I think we're well balanced, maybe

slightly

underpowered scum.

But as Doom is Vote Manipulation (we were certainly cautious) + (sometimes) Second Kill. It seems like quite a powerful ability, certainly balancing a high power town. (in my opinion)

[Chronopie]

EBWOP: and a mason Pair. Maybe a little heavily powered town...

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Addendum: I still doubt that Kise would make only scum elementals, therefore I believe that the claimed elementals

(barring possible JP-Lich)

, are def. town. If there were to be a second scumteam, it would be among the non-elemental factions. which doesn't make sense given the kill flavours. Therefore I return to my conclusion that there is no second scum group.

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If there is no Mafia 2

8:1

We lynch Lich => Town Win
We lynch a vanilla, Lich kills => 6:1 town can still win.
We Lynch a Vanilla, Lich doesn't kill/Fails to kill => 7:1 town can still win.

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I also notice that you have Lich no-killing, rather than just failing a kill, while the inverse for the mythical Mafia 2.

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JP doesn't appear in that post.

However we can infer that, unless you think that Our Doomer (Lich) and Roleblocker (supposedly Scarm), are both hiding in the vanillas, that you meant for a JP lynch, as he's claimed earth.

[Chronopie]

and If you truly are so insistent that we aren't lynching Bill today. vote

No Lynch

with me, <one of the docs> protect Bill, and we'll know once and for all. Assuming that your <a doc's> protection actually would kill Lich. Is that property of your <a doc's> protection (undead-killing) certain, or conjecture?

I still think this is our (second) best bet. What does everyone else think? Either Bill-Lich dies from the protection, or Bill-Town is cleared, and we can move on to the next suspect.

(Best being Lynching Bill-Lich today - But this is just my opinion)

[Chronopie]

I still don't think Kise would have been stupid enough to make only scum elementals.

@Kise: Don't Modkill me for the above statement kthx. and Vote count please

[Chronopie]

and a single mafia with two kills, in the way of Doom + electrocute, could just as easily have had Reduced to nothing + electrocute as an initial two kill option.

Maybe Lich has 2 kill options? Set a doom, which cannot be protected against, or Reduced to nothing, which can.

[Chronopie]

So I have three questions that I demand Chrono, Dram, and Dumbro each answer in each of their next posts:

1) WHY HAVEN'T YOU BOTHERED TO LOOK FOR SCUM OUTSIDE OF BILL, ESPECIALLY IF YOU THINK BILL IS LICH?
2) WHICH FOUR PLAYERS DO YOU THINK ARE IN THE SECOND SCUMGROUP, AND WHY?
3) WHO DO YOU WANT TO LYNCH TODAY, AND WHY?

WHAT SECOND SCUMGROUP?
WHAT SECOND SCUMGROUP?
BILL, His scummy iso screams Lich. Did you look at my Bill-Lich iso?

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Calling the mod an idiot, even if you are stating that you don't think this to be the case, is never the best idea. Thus, I apologised for any perceived insult I may have given.

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Ooh.


Lich can also doom a suspected scum tonight, and we can run the counter down intentionally. Hadn't thought about that.

MOD: What is the win condition for anti-town (Mafialike) factions?
Hypothetically, if the game situation is 6 players with 3 in the same scumgroup (for a 3:3 or 3:2:1 ratio) but one of the "3 in the same scumgroup" can be killed during the day, will the game continue?

Ooh, I found a flaw in your idea.

No lynch

requires half the town, rather than half +1. if we had a 3:3, the scum team could force a NL, negating Doom, and killing Moar townie.

[Chronopie]

Also, since he's insisting on this point so much, I think it's safe to say we're dealing with an elemental scum faction if he flips scum.

For the fiftieth time.

Logically

Kise wouldn't have made just scum elementals. 1+1=2.

IF

elemental = scum

THEN

elemental vote modifier = neon sign

AND

game = imbalanced

END

geddit?

[Chronopie]

ARE YOU REALLY SUGGESTING THAT LICH CAN KILL, DOOM, AND ROLEBLOCK ALL PACKAGED INTO ONE, AND THAT HE IS THE ONLY SCUM LEFT IN THE GAME?

I don't know where the roleblock fits in, but Lich is the Doomer. So yes, Lich can Kill and Doom the same night. and yes, I do think he's the only scum left.
Logically we wouldn't have two elemental scum groups, and we don't have any consistent non-elemental kills to suggest a non-elemental scum group, therefore I doubt we have two scumgroups.

[Chronopie]

So that these don't get lost... Opinions please all.

Possibly Lich

3. JPSalazar (Galuf Baldesian [commuter: Earth element])
16. bill1148 (Regent Cid from FF9 [vanilla])
19. AdumbroDeus (Ingus from FF3 [vanilla])
21. Midnight's Sorrow (Rikken from FF12 [vanilla])

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Not Lich

8. Glork (Rosa from FF4 [doctor])
10. Chronopie (Leviathan [Vig: Water element])
11. Antifinity (Fiona from Crystal Chronicals [vanilla])
13. thatguy00 (Ceodore Harvey from FF4: After Years [doctor])
17. dramonic (Ramuh [Lightning element])

NB: Antifinity makes the Not Lich list because he claimed RB'd on a day when we had doom.

Looking back through Bill's Iso, I found some more scumslips. 20:20 hindsight is epic.

Personally, I believe that the Blind & Anon. Vote are from the same player and the same ability.

This proved to be MPR, blinder/vote thief.

but if there exists a "double-voter," and if Blind and Anon. Vote are two separate abilities used by two different players, do you know how small the probability is that the same player was targeted by two different players in the same Night Phase?

Translation: "I know something you don't."

The other likely mafia to Marilith's team are:

Lich- (Doom?)
Kraken- (Blind?)
Tiamat- (???)

Oh look, Lich = Doom. lol. inside knowledge scumslip. (Tiamat was goon).

Except it was guaranteed to work D1 and D2 if used. The minimum required votes to kill someone D1 was, what, 12? The minimum required votes to kill someone D2 was 10. In both situations, it would not have mattered whether we just FOS' or not. The player with Doom would die regardless if we intended to lynch anyone.

I know how doom works!!11!!

"Doom" (Starbuck & Devo) is HIGHLY UNLIKELY to be a Vig or SK. Because a) it was used on two of the more pro-town players here. and b) if it were an SK ability, it would greatly limit his ability to kill.

I know doom is a Mafia ability.

To sum it up, I theorize this:

Electrocution is a SK
Drowned/Reduced to Nothing + Doom is Mafia

OR

Electrocution + Doom is Mafia

Drowned/Reduced to Nothing is a SK

OR

Electrocution (and maybe Doom) is one Mafia
Drowned/Reduced to Nothing (and maybe Doom)is a second Mafia

Bold emphasis mine. Tiamat + Lich.

I was targeted by the brown cloaked music man last night.

Duly noted.

Doom- either Lich, one of the four mentioned below, or a Vig/SK (doubtful).

Translation: I know Doom = Lich. before it became common knowledge.

Interesting that no one was doomed last night. I'm going to assume that our Doomer decided it is pointless to use the ability any longer, since it only gives away other player's factions. Which means Doom is defintely not a Vig or SK.

My Doom has been rendered ineffective, so I've stopped submitting it.

a) There is no guarantee that Lich exists; it's still possible that there are two scum groups of 3, which would mean one scum group has already been eliminated.

After saying that Lich exists, all of a sudden it's "nope Lich never existed *Whistle nonchalantly**"

Lich being the only enemy left is impossible.

Why?

Umm...no, I'm not Lich.

Lich would say that. He can't be protected, bc that kills Lich, and as such, would die the very same night.

And JP is probably lying. He claimed Earth elemental in the same post he claimed Galuf: Commuter (Post 1443). Then he said he had no strengths or weaknesses (Post 1534). If thats true, WHY HAVE AN ELEMENT.

"I am earth element, but I claimed vanilla, cos I'd die otherwise. But I know you're lying"

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tl;dr Bill knew about Doom specifics earlier than the rest of us, but knows that He can't claim Lich, as that will see him either a)Swinging, or b) Swimming (Failing at swimming)

We can add to this some of the posts from the last couple of pages. but all in all, it's alot of Lich crumbs.

[Chronopie]

Another thing, Chrono: How do you know that Dram isn't the "non-mafia elemental player" in the game?

I find it awfully funny that you're saying "there can't be another scumgroup because that would put all of the elements into scumgroups" while

automatically concluding that Dram is scum if there are two scumgroups

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Slip-up ftw.

Dram claimed Ramuh, Lightning.

Given the number of elemental claims (3), that would put Dram in the remaining scumgroup, along with a fakeclaiming townie.

Or do you think we have Ramuh-Lightning + Lich + 4 elemental scum?

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Exam soon, bbl.

[Chronopie]

@Glork: what would be a potential kill flavour for someone who can cast doom?

and if said scum can kill

and

use their ability at the same time...

and if said group was given 2 kill options every night... (assuming doom to be a delayed kill)

[Chronopie]

So I see logic has gone right out the window. AD wants to kill off the commuter, vig et al.

Glork is much the same. Dram's been suckered in to it. Bill's pushing for my Lynch because I'm pushing for his.

With Dram voting me, that's your Lynch majority right there. So it's moar super secret info time.

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Wait for it.

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I know that there is no second scum group, 'cos I'm SK, not vig. 2 mafia teams + SK is overpowered against the town. I am still Leviathan. According to my role, which is based on FF IV: after years, I am unlynchable.

Thus my gambit for Lynch bill, and I'll take it tomorrow.8:1:1 => 8:1 => 7:1 => 7:1 etc. Basically, when Lich dies, as the last scum, as there were no

actual

vig claims (Which is what I was trying to draw out), I win. Eat that suckers.

[Chronopie]

Seeing as I'm 8/9th convinced that Bill is Lich, thus cannot be protected, I am officially waving my dick around in victory. (To borrow from PoA)

[Chronopie]

^That should read 7/8ths. Still laughing at you (town) though.

[Chronopie]

Wait. F&%K. gg town. premature celebration is premature. Well Lich, Mexican stand-off. 2 men (or at least elementals) enter, neither leaves alive.

[Chronopie]

Why did I reveal unlynchability? to wave my dick in victory at the town, have a good ole laugh, and watch you all mill around aimlessly, while you either a) Do my job for me, or b) lynch a vanilla, hoping for scum, or c) test me, or d) Give up and vote No lynch. idc anyway. I'm screwed, Mexican Stand-Off style.

[Chronopie]

One way or another, lets end this Façade.

Unvote, Vote: Bill

Die Lich, Die.

[Chronopie]

No owl, you are moar lost. Vote Bill so I can win.

[Chronopie]

Roleblocker can't stop me being unlynchable. But having two scum teams + SK is even worse for the town, I doubt that it's that unbalanced.

Lynch Bill. I want this over with.

[Chronopie]

btw, what's a 'cute kitten' defence?

[Chronopie]

Why on earth would I call myself a kitten. I be an Unlynchable SK biatches. My only concern is Lich.

Dear Roleblocker: Please block Lich for me so I win, rather than Die, mexican style. kthxbye.

[Chronopie]

Is anyone going to comment on My Lich List, and Bill-Lich iso? No?

Fail 2 lynch away.

[Chronopie]

Reason that I think the Town screwed up: With the presence of the four fiends (Tiamat, Lich, Marilis, and Kraken), and myself, being third party, the chance of four moar scum is... well... Biased towards a scum team (or me) winning.

I would also like to point out that I've been the most successful person of this 'town' at picking out the scum. I personally drowned two, picked out the third as a lurker, (although I can't take full cred for that one), and identified the fourth for you by means of epic hindsight iso.

Just wish I'd kept my mouth shut, killed him tonight, and won. Now its all Mexican Stand-Off.

[Chronopie]

I'm allowed to be cocky, nothing you can do will hurt me. Unless I've miscalculated and you're Lich. Are you?

[Chronopie]

Yes, waste your Fail Lynch on me, rather than hunting down scum you can actually kill. Lich is still out there.

[Chronopie]

Not lynching scum should never not compute with your wincon, unless you're scum.

Possible Lich: Bill, MS, JP, AD.

Bill: Scummy iso, see my other posts.

MS: See above ^^

JP: Claimed Earth elemental

AD: the last claimed vanilla. (excl. Anti, who was RB'd, and doom still placed by Lich).

Bill will be Swimming tonight.

[Chronopie]

I shall drown you and all that you love.

j/k

For now.

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Unless you have a good idea just who the roleblocker is, Lynch Lich, and let me try take the other one out. or Lynch the roleblocker and I'll kill Lich. Either way, wasting a fail-Lynch on me is not playing to town wincon.

but seriously, are you so pro-chrono-lynch because I put you on the Lich list?

[Chronopie]

I'll make it easier for you even.

Unvote, Vote: Chronopie

[Chronopie]

Well the fact that it's

not a lynch

is probably against your wincon, when your wincon is to use your voice and your vote (Lynch) to remove the scum. amirite?

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Also LMAO, didn't think about water self-vote negation

[Chronopie]

Errr...

If there are two scum, being Lich (Doom), and a roleblocker...

Then best I can hope for is a

draw.

It would be a Town win.

[Chronopie]

Damn I wish I'd laid low.

[Chronopie]

Hell, I hope the RB lies low (lower than I did), and pulls a win from his/her ass. Town deserves to lose. I did moar scum hunting/killing than town combined.

[Chronopie]

Bah.

Remember people, Lich is one of four people. (Bill, JP, MS, AD)

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Just once, I would love a gambit to work. But at least we know there are def. no vigs.

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Go Scum.

[Chronopie]

lol double j/k

^But that is my list for drownings. In no particular order. Bill, grab your water wings, you'll need them, very soon.

[Chronopie]

I dodge your puny kill attempt.

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But yeah, I fucked up

Big

time, sorry guys.

[Chronopie]

I want pre-/in for the next Large SE.

Pre-emptive Claim of Tifa the Awesome Joat.

[Chronopie]

I even posted a Bill-Lich iso.

Besides, we didn't have any info relevant to Bill-Lich more than the town. (Barring confirmed Lich = Doom earlier.)