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Hi, you should stop letting me lurk.
Yeah, going to do that read tomorrow morning, I hope. Might not get to it as I've got a killer deadline on Monday, but after that classes end so go me, I guess.
One thing I find odd from reading the above 5-6 lines:
"I think we may have a Jester on our hands."
And then you go and vote the alleged jester of yours. If you truly believe that he is one, don't vote him. This doesn't add up.Eek!-
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Finally caught up
Not going to go into detail right now as I'm tired as hell.
Scums: Nightson, Deer, Lowell
Annoying: Anyone posting in caps >=(
Alliance is cool and worked in another game and it brought peace and some structure to this game as it was a pain to read such madness.
I can go into detail if requested, but that'll have to be for tomorrow (as in RL tomorrow) as I've spent the entire evening reading and I need to study a bit more for my finals before heading to bed.
And as if it needed to be asked, I endorse an ani lynch. Not going to vote/hammer just yet in case someone really wants to hear me before Night 2 hits.Eek!-
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So, I always come up with things to reply after I turn off my pc and just hopped into bed. I don't really see what is wrong with me bringing "only three scum". First off, I didn't see you bring anyone to the table aside from some distant remarks about ongoing wagons and stuff, which is why I find you're scum to begin with. Secondly, there's nothing wrong with finding only three suspects right now. Oh, sorry... I forgot about that rule where I had to have at least 4 suspects. Damn. lol, Seriously though, the only stupid thing about my three suspects is that I forgot that one of them was dead.Lowell wrote:So your offering is three scum in a giant game, one of whom is already dead. No, I'm okay with not hearing more from you before we lynch.
So, yeah, your little quote I brought up is rather stupid and, dare I say, hypocritical.
Anyways, we had two dreamers this night? One innocent and one guilty? And some DNA on chronopie's body? I'd like crypto to explain this as well instead of asshatting around some more.Eek!-
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^wut?
@kise, I'm taking you seriously, I just read your original claim as "there was some DNA on chronopie", not as "it is highly likely that crypto ate chronopie". That being said, I want to see what don j has to say about his dream. I believe it involves raj being scum, but I want to make sure before we quickly end the day on a crypto lynch.Eek!-
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Hold on a bit and let's not get ahead of ourselves.
We have what, three dreams today/last night?
2 innocents and 1 recruitment.
Three as opposed to one night one feels like someone/a few is/are pulling it/them out of his/her/their asses.
If Spyrex does indeed flip recruited/werewolf, I'd hold little value to his dream depending on the state he's already in, i.e. already recruited or still not-yet-a-werewolf.
And, as asked before, I'd also like crypto to explain the DNA on chronopie's body. If he's got an explanation, he should give one instead of stalling.Eek!-
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Ah, right, didn't see that you said Night one. Makes it less probable anyone is lying about having a dream.Dry-fit wrote:
My dream was night one. I didn't get a chance to claim it.My Milked Eek wrote:Three as opposed to one night one feels like someone/a few is/are pulling it/them out of his/her/their asses.Eek!-
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Yo, reapercharlie, any reason why you believe dry-fit's dream, but not kise's dna story?
Reapercharlie is a bit too keen on having the current alliance disbanded and having one of his own. I'd need to go back and check whether rc was very anti-alliance or if that were other people as that is not sitting all too well with me.Eek!-
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No, the alliance stands as it is. That's the purpose of an alliance, that it stands and keeps on standing, regardless of presence of scum in the alliance.
Dreamreceivers do not need to be in the one we had either. It's fairly obvious that by the varying kinds of dreams people receive, that the chance also exists the dreams were fabricated by scum. And receiving a dream most likely does not prove any kind of alignment, town, vamps or wolves.
This wagon on spyrex went way too fast and I'm most certain that scum are on it.Eek!-
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Nub, there were two dreams during each night so far.xRECKONERx wrote:My thoughts on the multiple dreams:
Either some people are lying about their dreams, or...
Each day, more dreams get added to the mix, and only 50% of them are true.
Anyways, I believe Spyrex' claim. If we have multiple dreams, it is to be expected that some dreams are false/lies. The N1 dreams have been proven to have been right in 50% of the cases so far, so I think it's likely for Dry's dream to have been fabricated by scum.Eek!-
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He was pro. But a bit too eager to belong to it, judging by his iso.My Milked Eek wrote:Yo, reapercharlie, any reason why you believe dry-fit's dream, but not kise's dna story?
Reapercharlie is a bit too keen on having the current alliance disbanded and having one of his own.I'd need to go back and check whether rc was very anti-alliance or if that were other people as that is not sitting all too well with me.Eek!-
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What a stupid question is this? "What proof is there that the dreams have been wrong thus far?" So far the tested dreams are 100% true. Not going to deny that, no one is, I'm just not ignoring that 75% of the dreams so far hasn't been tested yet. It is very possible that some dreams are fabricated. There's no proof for it, but there's also no proof against it. It is a possibility, just as much as it is a possibility they are all true. I'm just more prone to going with the worst case scenario (some dreams are lies) instead of rushed euphoria over what may be a lie.ReaperCharlie wrote:@ My Milked Eek: What proof is there that any of the dreams have beenwrongthus far? There were 2 the first night and 2 the second:
We have a more tangible and less dependant of an unknown scum fabicating it claim. If Kise is lying, lynch him, if he isn't, kudos to him. What are we going to do if Spyrex isn't bitten? Lynch the evil scum behind it? Well, tough luck, we don't know who is behind these dreams and until we do know, I suggest just keeping them in mind and not lynching upon them anymore.Eek!-
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This is why I want us to pursue your claim first, we knowKise wrote:You can't coach a wizard..
Also, the crypto result is not due to a dream. I was quite awake this morning.whereit came from. While we pursue your claim first, we can have more dreams and decide the dreams fate then if needed.Eek!-
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[protip]Kise's crypto information is not a dream and perfectly traceable to its origin.[/protip]
Gathering more dreams will lead to a more global look on the dreams, right now we have, 2x "Innocent", 1 x "Lunatic" and 1 x "Spyrex got bitten by a werewolf". If we can add 2 more dreams to that then we'll have a clearer picture and we can judge which dreams are more likely to be fabricated or not. Right now, you're just taking blind shots and hoping you didn't miss.
I'm not saying this particular dream isn't true, well technically I sort of have as I'm leaning towards believing spyrex, but I'm saying right now that we should slow down on the dream chase. Besides, Spyrex remains bitten by a wolf tomorrow and he won't run away.Eek!-
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Uhhh... well, ok. This proves the Night 1 dreams were all true.
Anyways, this is a suggestion for a new alliance:
- Deer
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I call it "The let's bus spyrex alliance", tlbsa for short. Notable members include Sucrose, Kise and Reckoner. But as said, this isn't for today, today is cryptoday.
Mod, could we get a votecount? Been some pages.Eek!-
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So, you're suggesting this is not just a cult game, but a duel cult game? Aren't cults bastard modding?
RC, you're making too many assumptions with too little evidence:
What makes you assume the vampires can recruit? What makes you assume werewolves can recruit more than once? What makes you assume those things about the dreams, especially if your deduction leads to ambiguity amongst the dreams? What makes you assume the vampires killed Spyrex? What makes you assume crypto is a vampire?
Let's stick to the facts instead of letting your imagination run about without grounding any of it.Eek!-
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I do it too and it lost me more games than it won me, so yeah, I'd rather not get involved in too much speculation right now. And I care if they're considered bastard modding or not because I'm not too keen on playing with cults. If anything I'd rather avoid games with cults than play them.ReaperCharlie wrote:Yes, that is what I'm suggesting. Dueling cults.
And...who caresif cults are considered bastard modding? Maybe if the cults were pretty small to begin with (i.e. 2 each), and you factor in cross-kills, it might be more 'fair' that way. Either way, I don't think it's a stretch to believe that it's bastard-modded so that the town has very little chance of winning unless they kill off the wolves and vamps relatively early on. Call setup speculation anti-town if you want, but it wins games, and that's why I do it.
I haven't seen any of those films, but I do know Vampires and what they do. If we were in a cult game, then I'd agree with you, but we don't know it yet. And as for answering that question, I do not see anything in your post that answers it, I only see wild speculation leading to that conclusion.rc wrote:Maybe read my post again, I think I adequately answered some of those questions. As for why I think the vamps can recruit too, idk... maybe I just watched Underworld one too many times. I'm sure you've seen Underworld, right? Even if you haven't though, I'm sure you've seen Twilight and the sequel. Yes, we forgive you. But go watch Underworld (and the sequel).
Hold your horses, I'm not assuming anything about werewolves being able to recruit more than once or not, you are. I'm just stating what I observed so far and that is: we don't know it yet. If what you say is true, then why did we get 1 recruit dream on night 1 and not 2? And why no recruit dreams during night 2? Why not assume the recruit that happened here is a regular one-recruit system?rc wrote:Why WOULDN'T the werewolves be able to recruit more than once? What makes YOU think that they'd only be able to recruit once? If crypto wasn't on the chopping block for today,I'd sink my teeth into you for that one.
Also, lol, bolded for vampire claim.
If you are going to continue your little "flavor is true to 'real life'" speech, then I'd assume you would not be able to write the spyrex death off to the vampires.rc wrote:What makes me assume the vamps killed Spyrex? Uh... because he died in the daytime, and maybe because of the dream, and the vamps had already lost two scumpals already. It'd only make sense that they'd gun for the other scum-group as doing so is pretty much their best/only chance for survival.
Randomly assuming cult, sorry I'm mistaken, randomly assuming two cults on an action that could be the result of another mechanic, i.e. a regular scum-recruit, does not compute in my books. It's nearly the same as the early-game-assuming-jester-pages we've already been through.Eek!-
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@RC:
Yeah, I caught that joke
The reason I'm not assuming cults is that there is a role with similar mechanics to a cult. There is a role which scum can recruit during the game. It's called Traitor. I find this role more probable than your idea of two cults.
And it explains the lack of night two recruit dreams as well: there weren't any recruits during night 2. Of course, this is also assuming and speculation, but it's a lot more probable than your speculation.
It didn't say there were cults in it. Mods usually note the possibility and if they don't, they should.rc wrote:If you're averse to cults, why did you join a game that was likely to have cults in it?Eek!-
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Kise wrote:Still considering this. MME, you desperately attempted to derail Spy's wagon yesterday; I saw 3 counts of this on a single page. Help me/us understand why the order we lynched crypto or Spyrex mattered so much to you?
I didn't care for the subjects of either wagon or the order they were lynched in, I cared more for the cause (dreams/your claim) of them being lynch candidates and the order of resolving those causes. I thought you said it was your role, or at least I so interpreted it, so I figured it was better to pursue your claim first as it was more tangible than dreams.Kise wrote:Right. I bussed Spyrex, says the guy who defended him.
So, Dry-fit came up as innocent on Sucrose's dream? I agree that some of the targets of these dreams are not making any sense.
Raj, does your hunch have anything to do with spyrex' flip yesterday?Eek!-
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Good job alliance. Why did you lynch raj again? I saw no case against him, not even a faint suspicion towards raj being outed, aside from a feeble "bad vibes" post from someone. All I saw was bandwagonning on an innocent under the premise that alliance voting is protown.
This alliance sucks balls. It allows scum not to be responsible for their presence on a wagon or not. It allows scum to say one thing and do the other without being creditable for it. All under the false pretense that this alliance is protown.
This alliance is worth nothing. A few things bother me:
1) that entire wagon was crap
2) the haste with which this new one was formed while the old one was falling apart
3) rc is WAY too eager to have this alliance and for it to go where he wants to, if you really need an alliance, don't lose your head in the process
I realize that going against the alliance at this point is pretty much suicide (cf. raj, lowell), but seriously, I'd rather try and find some scum instead of mindlessly following reapercharlie around.Eek!-
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Which reminds me, why did we allow Kise to change his claim? From "crypto ate chronopie" to "crypto supposedly left his mark on chronopie". Or with quotes:
from wrote:The semi-flavored result I received reveals that crypto's "vestige" was strongly found on Chronopie's remains, therefore he killed and ate him.to wrote:The semi-flavored scene I got yesterday said I was overhearing men in lab coats; crypto supposedly left his mark on Chronopie.Eek!-
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Remember the times when we got to test both night 1 dreams to be true? Yeah, fun times. There's no reason anymore for me to believe that the dreams are lies.ReaperCharlie wrote:
Ah, I see. Now you're perfectly fine with lynching based on a dream? Ok. Noted. hahaMy Milked Eek wrote:Ok then. Let's go.Vote: Sucrose.
Well, he said that Day 2 while he changed his claim.@ MME: Well then, WTF? I have no idea what happened then.
I'm tempted to think MME is some non-vampire, non-werewolf, OTHER-oriented kind of scum.Eek!-
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That could be a valid assumption, however, do you mean dream by dream false-true-false pattern? Or a night by night pattern?xRECKONERx wrote:
Have ALL the dreams been true? Because this one is true, so if it goes in a true-false-true-false pattern, then that could mean my dream of Sucrose is false.Dry-fit wrote:I dreamed that reck is an innocent.
Are these dreams cyclical or something? Me and reck both had dreams night 1 as well.
If they've all been right... then yeah nevermind.
If dream-by-dream, then we have no way of knowing who is the first dreamer of each night and leaves us with 50% true dreams per night. Both N1 dreams have been tested and both were true, so, it could only be a night by night ftf pattern. If it's night by night then it means Night 1 was true, 2 = false, 3 = true and 4 = false, which would mean that sucrose is town and you're scum.
So, no valid assumption after all, unless you want to claim scum of course.
So far, we tested 2/8 dreams, going onto our third test.
There's something bugging me if it's a cyclical dreamer thing. We'll see tomorrow whether the N2 dreamers had dreams or not in the next night.Eek!-
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Ok, tell us which ones are lies and where they're coming from then.Sucrose wrote:Again, think about it, guys. There's no way all of the dreams would be town. We've had two dreams, one of which was not only a result on a player, but an entire event, which turned out to be true. I'm not even sure these dreams are coming from actual players.
It doesn't make sense that two dreams a night, every night, would all be true, it would give the town an absolutelyhugeadvantage. That said, I'm not sure if there's a definite true-false-true-false pattern or anything like that.
I have no problem with shorter nights.Eek!-
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Scum says to kill don johnson. Most likely reason is because the dreams have already exposed two of his faction and he wants to stop this. If dreams are indeed cyclical, dj is up next as the only dreamer (as far as we know). If one of the dreams was wolf-generated he would not ask for the kill of dj, but rather induce some confusion about the dreams instead of pulling this last resort act.
From there it's only a small leap towards the idea that all dream innocents are not wolves. Extrapolate even further: there's no wolf amongst the dreamers anymore. Going even further on this stream of thoughts and the last wolf (assuming 3) is in:
- luke
- kise
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(all non-dreamers/non-dreamed about people)
And yes, that's my idea of the order of possibilities of being the last wolf.
Of course, if you want to play safe, add SV (spyrex' dream) to that list.Eek!-
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So, we got a dead oracle. Probably the source of the dreams. Think we can all agree on that. Yet we still have a dreamer, SV. This can be because of a few things, he's lying or there's a second oracle (truth-factor of oracle aside).
Does anyone disagree with my conclusion I made at the end of the previous day?
So, we lynch in the pool of five (six if you count SV) until we hit a werewolf. At this stage, this is the only thing that resembles any real legitimate "alliance", the "we have a wolf among us so please lynch us" alliance.
Fortunately, the dream SV had was about Kise. And seeing how he was second on my list as being the last wolf, I can't say I'm hesitant to believe SV's dream. I'm willing to ignore at this point whether the dream is a lie or not as the presence or non-presence of any dream would have lead me to vote either luke or kise anyway. This dream is just an extra strike to Kise's name.
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Is there a problem with lynching a man who soft claimed wolf?
I see no reason to hear him out. He got a dream, mentions that he got one, but doesn't share the result. Obviously it's not a scum result, so why would he not want to share an innocent result?
Of course we could do like you and wait for an answer that most likely will not be a decent one or another change of his story as to what happened to him in the night, but I'd rather not.Eek!-
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I can extrapolate a lot of things out of seemingly nothing apparently. We'll see whether I'm right about that extrapolation or not.
But why do you assume that
- kise lied about having a dream
- if he lied that it's a town thing to do
- if he did not lie that's it's town to withhold that kind of info
None of it makes sense if he is town.Eek!-
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I know you get it from that post, which also means that that post is incorrect. And in this case we could have thought we were at L-1 while it was an actual hammer, as we need 6 votes and not 7 to lynch. I'm just making sure that this mistake isn't carried through to the next votecount and am just being prudent in this game. So, unless you want to have a hand in a miscount that leads to a lynch mistaken for an L-1 vote, I will not leave it the fuck alone.Eek!-
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My Milked Eek Mafia Scum
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My Milked Eek Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
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- Posts: 4277
- Joined: December 27, 2007
- Location: Belgium
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My Milked Eek Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 4277
- Joined: December 27, 2007
- Location: Belgium
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My Milked Eek Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 4277
- Joined: December 27, 2007
- Location: Belgium
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My Milked Eek Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 4277
- Joined: December 27, 2007
- Location: Belgium