Star Wars Mafia (Game Over)

[danakillsu]

I'm NOT happy that we're ignoring 1-3.

vote: Scott Brosius

for suggesting it.

[danakillsu]

vote: killa seven

POST!
Yeah, I liked Darth Maul. I liked most of Episode 3 as well, which is really the only reason I wanted 1-3 in this game as well. My favorite episode is 5, though, so if I had to choose, I would definitely choose 4-6. Wreck Star wagon seems pointless.

[danakillsu]

@dana: Why do you think the Wreck Star wagon is pointless?

It's an RVS pressure-wagon on someone that can't be easily pressured.

[danakillsu]

dana: why the vote on K7 with the word POST next to it?

I wanted him to post.

[danakillsu]

What type of post are you expecting. Why do you want him to post when he already had posted more then you?

I was expecting a post where he would answer people's questions. That's why I wanted him to post.
@ Farside
How do you develop such a long scumlist so early in the game?

[danakillsu]

V/LA as noted in sig.

[danakillsu]

I'm here. Will post soon with content.

[danakillsu]

Yeah. Kast, hp's not a horrible idea. Definitely don't go for THC, I don't think he's the lynch today. (This is all assuming that Kast is what he claims to be, which he pretty much must be).
This game is confusing, with lots of votes flying around, not all of them backed up by much. I don't think I'm ready to vote for anyone.

unvote

[danakillsu]

hp [leaves] vote on Kast looks like a desperate attempt to throw suspicion on the only other party in the interesting event of the day. Add to that that hp [leaves] won't yet tell us why he is bulletproof/who he is, and we have a likely scum candidate for today.

vote: hp[leaves]

[danakillsu]

That's L-2. I would suggest waiting for a fullclaim from hp[leaves] before anymore votes on him. hp, go right ahead...

[danakillsu]

I would lynch myself if I claimed before it was verified. Seriously.

But it's been verified, so claim. We already know you're bulletproof, so that quote doesn't apply. If you don't claim, we can do nothing but lynch you, which if you're town is not a good thing for town.

[danakillsu]

I didn't really misuse the meaning, I just assumed that his misuse was correct. Any way you look at it, hp, you're toast unless you claim. I say the town should give you about 24 hours to claim before jettisoning you into the vaccum of space, scumbag.

[danakillsu]

Lando Calrissian, Alliance Bulletproof One-Shot Cop. I "obtain" information like a smuggler would do.

*buzz* Wrong. I doubt your claim by a lot. It's well thought-out, but I REALLY don't see how Lando would be Bulletproof. He doesn't even wear armor in the movies...
And how does a smuggler obtain information?? No. This looks like a decent attempt to use a fakeclaim given to you by the mod (Lando Calrissian) without actually knowing the movies.

[danakillsu]

Hp [leaves]'s claim needs to be completed.

In what way was it not already completed? And why did you vote for Reaper Charlie?

[danakillsu]

Why is Lando bulletproof?

I already asked that question. It's really weird. Everything about "Lando" 's role is fishy to me.

[danakillsu]

Why do you want to know why I am voting for ReaperCharlie?

Generally, I have experienced that unless it is the RVS, players give reasons for their votes so as not to appear that their votes are scummy. If you don't want to give a reason, you're obviously not obligated to, but repeated unbacked votes set off my scumdar, just letting you know.

[danakillsu]

Noob question here: Does "one shot cop" means he can more or less act as a vigilante once in the game? If so, he can at least prove his ability.

No. It means that he can be a cop on any night he chooses, but only once. And yes, he could prove his ability, but I'm pretty sure he's already DISproven his ability simply from his rolename.

[danakillsu]

It's idiotic to lynch hp now. We should let him live to use his ability first.

What's idiotic is to assume he has that ability and to let him possibly use an amazingly powerful scum ability he has.

Remember that part in Cloud City where Han Solo tries to shoot Vader like 6 times, only to realize that he's no longer holding his blaster, Vader's holding it?

QFT! I remember that. It's possible the mod set it up so that the only person Han COULDN'T shoot was Vader. And if hp has a good chance of being Vader, he has a good chance of having a powerful evil NK. And if he has a powerful evil NK, he should NOT be allowed to survive the day.

[danakillsu]

Maybe he didn't want you to OUT ANYMORE PRs.

Could you explain this statement? I want to be absolutely sure of what you mean by this.

[danakillsu]

thats a lot of "if's" in 1 post, but I'm inclined not to believe one-shot cop claims that happen to be bulletproof as well.

Yeah. Um... let me get my calculator.... 2. And those are really only dependent on one thing: him being Vader. If he's Vader (and we have reason to believe he is) he has a powerful evil... and I meant Night Action, not NK. Therefore he should be lynched today.

[danakillsu]

I agree with Scott. CMAR, if you're going to claim that much of your role, you should give us the name of your role so that we can confirm whether that fits. Until then, I'm suspicous of you for claiming without any real pressure.

vote: CMAR

. And bv310 always does this, so no one should be voting for him.

[danakillsu]

This is definitely the scummy type of role-fishing.

I disagree. Scott Brosius's "rolefishing" will not help scum in any way. All I want, and I think all he wants, is to get enough about CMAR's role PM to confirm whether it makes any sense at all. This is what town did D1 and it worked perfectly.

[danakillsu]

I don't see why not.

If he's already claiming one-shot cop, what harm is a full claim going to do, exactly?

Precisely what I am saying.
@farside or CMAR
give one good reason for CMAR NOT to give his roleNAME. I've already given a very good reason for him to give his rolename
The wagon on me looks like misguided townies who don't understand exactly what I'm doing and one person (I wonder who?) who looks like a blatant OMGUS'ing scum. Did anyone else notice that he posted plenty between when I asked him to roleclaim and his vote, and yet his vote only came when his reasoning convinced other people to wagon me? My vote is DEFINITELY in the right place.

[danakillsu]

Lynching me is the absolute wrong thing to do as it is a waste. Would I really want all this attention if I were scum? No.

This is the problem, right here. Listen good and hard, you hear? VOTING =/= LYNCHING! I don't want you lynched as of now. I want you to back up your claim by giving us your rolename. Continue to dodge this eventuality, and I WILL want to lynch you because only scum would be afraid of giving their name in the game. We need more votes on CMAR to keep him from doing this over and over while ignoring the real problem.
And dang you CMAR! You've played with me before. I AM MALE!
And now that I look back, CMAR has already stated that he WILL NOT fullclaim today. All I can say is that he'd better change his mind, because that's just ridiculous. If I was town, I would not only never claim when not under pressure, I would also never say "I'm not roleclaiming today, no matter what". And I'm still waiting for that reason, CMAR or farside, AKA the Dodgers.

[danakillsu]

What she said was very scummy in that post though, and I cannot let it go:

What specifically was scummy about my post, and why can't you let it go?

[danakillsu]

*headdesk
I didn't want you to reveal the Alliance JOAT thing yet, CMAR. I just wanted your rolename.
As a side note, who believes him? Should Yoda be a JOAT in this trilogy? And if there is a real Yoda, he should probably counter-claim, because I don't really believe CMAR.

[danakillsu]

The breadcrumbing changes things a bit. He definitely at least had a fakeclaim of Yoda ready. I'll have to think about this one more. for now,

unvote

[danakillsu]

And if you don't believe me you are a moron.

That really hurts. I'm telling my mom on you!

[danakillsu]

WHY do you think his unsolicited initial claim was scummy?

I never necessarily considered it scummy, just unlikely because Yoda wasn't too powerful in the "second" trilogy. But as soon as I saw the breadcrumbing, I realized even if it wasn't likely it was probably true.

[danakillsu]

How would you have guaged the truthiness of his Claim by this info?

Yoda would definitely seem like an investigative role to me, because he is sensitive to others' "feelings". I actually would have believed him more if I didn't have the JOAT thing to think about. Just the investigative role would have been enough to convince me that Yoda was his role.

I'm not liking dana's reaction to this whole situation at all. He's been pushing on CMAR's roleclaim for awhile now. It feels like hidden agenda.

Seriously? A hidden agenda? I gave my reason for a NAME claim. I didn't want a full roleclaim. That is the end of the story. What kind of hidden agenda would I have for wanting to know his role. If I was scum, I would apparently think (see above posts) that Yoda wouldn't be very powerful. So I would probably decide if I didn't know about the JOAT thing NOT to kill Yoda, since he already used his one shot cop thing. So knowing his name probably would have hurt me as scum since I would have assumed something that wasn't true.

[danakillsu]

I think CMAR should also full claim.

derp just saw the claim. Should read the whole thread before I post >_>

And look at this, people. This guy says CMAR should full claim almost two pages after he has. If I'm scummy for saying I don't believe CMAR's claim at the same time that he reveals his breadcrumbing (and I obviously don't think I am), this guy should be ultra-scummy for telling CMAR to claim after he already has (and I obviously don't think he is), since both were just mistakes about what CMAR had already said.

[danakillsu]

Not convinced just adding to scum list.

Which is now more than half the players in the game.

[danakillsu]

Second, this doesn't make me scummy. It was a mistake. Mistake doesn't equal scummy, at least not in this case.

LRN2RD!!!!!!! I specifically said in that post that I didn't find you scummy!
bv310 strikes me as a bald-faced liar. I'm not a LAL type of guy, but since he claimed an investigative role, he might as well tell us his role NAME (let me be very clear about this as I was before). Nothing but his NAME.

Actually I have more town reads then scum reads but thanks for paying attention (sarcasm)

Wow, man. Way to take a joke...

[danakillsu]

Wow, man

EBWOP:
Perhaps: Wow, woman? The avatar of a Male is slightly confusing...

[danakillsu]

bv310 strikes me as a bald-faced liar.

Perhaps I should preemptively give some reasons for this:
1) Others keep successfully claiming town power roles and producing the results that they want. It looks like bv310 is just trying to cash in on this success with some of his own.
2) He had no reason whatsoever to claim at this point in the game.
3) We've already seen one investigation role which makes his somewhat less likely.

[danakillsu]

Well I had a known V/LA, so that kind of takes me off of that list. I agree that Wreck Star looks very scummy, but I would rather lynch him. I pretty much believe bv310 now. But personally I would rather have Kast shoot SOG because Wreck Star could still know that SOG is scum. I get a weird vibe from SOG, and I want to know the truth. We can explore the option of lynching Wreck Star later, but for now:
Kast please shoot SOG. (pretty please?)

[danakillsu]

then we'll definitely know if we need to lynch SOG.

We will? If Wreck turns out to be scum, as I already said, he might still have some way of knowing SoG's affiliation that we won't see from his death. If he turns out to be town, same thing. We're not guaranteed to know SOG's affiliation even by knowing Wreck's role. But if we know that SOG is town, then lynching WS is inevitable.

[danakillsu]

I'm here. Sorry I haven't posted in a while. I'll post later on today with some real content.

[danakillsu]

Here's a little setup speculation that may or may not be useful. The kill flavor that was used on Jabba clearly indicates Grand Moff Tarkin (the only man in the Empire who ever attempts to use torture). Since the Emperor simply has to be part of the Empire scumteam, there are at least two buddies of SOG out there. Jabba has a few possibilities of scumpals besides Greedo, but none that would absolutely have to be in this game, so I'd say there's probably one, but maybe none left on that team. Also, I'm here to answer questions, so if there are any I missed in my read, please let me know.

[danakillsu]

I think that TF is a VI, as usual. As far as Kthxbye or whatever his name is, I think he makes valid points. I do find d3x somewhat scummy. But I'm not really ready to vote yet.

[danakillsu]

I think barring any other scum suspects that lynching a VI isn't a bad thing to do. However, I find that very townie people are joining the d3x wagon, so there may be some investigation results for them to base their votes on. Also, I already said that I do find him somewhat scummy, so I guess I'm ready to vote now.

vote:d3x

And I find it ridiculous that Toon Fighter is kind of wagging his finger at me for non-contribution.

[danakillsu]

Alright, well it looks as if I have some explaining to do. Kast, the way I see it, your case on me is:
You see me pushing for info from the claimed cops. This is a poor point, since I was the most opposed to a fullclaim of those asking for more info. I didn't want any fullclaims from anybody, just a rolename that would help me determine the truthfulness of the claim
You see me saying a VI lynch is better than a no lynch. What's bad about that? There's no guarantee that someone actually is a VI unless through investigation, so lynching someone that might be scum, but won't help town anyway is better than not lynching anyone.
You see me saying GMT is likely in this game. This isn't scummy in the first place because unless I'm Empire scum, I have just as much chance of knowing that there is a GMT if I'm town as I do if I'm scum. And you seem to think that I'm part of the Scum scumteam. However, I think that not only is it not scummy, it's correct, too. Darth Vader's already dead, so it can't be him. An interrogation droid would not be a player, because it has no personality, and besides, it can't kill anyone! And GMT does torture Leia in the first Star Wars movie with an interrogation droid, which (besides any torture Vader is involved in) is the only instance of torture in the movies. So maybe I was wrong about him being the only one to torture people, but that hardly makes me scum. Lol at Lynch for his:
"Dana is leaning town"
"Oh, wait, I don't know why I said that"
behavior like that sticks out like a sore thumb.
And btw, @d3x
Would you like some fries with that blatant, cowardly OMGUS?

[danakillsu]

Would you like a some fries with your blatant, cowardly BandWagon Vote?

Now that's funny. I voted with I believe two people on the "Bandwagon", and I declared you as my top candidate before one of them voted, I think. Anyway, no matter what, it's not backed up very well, so I'm not going to take the time to find out exactly what the situation was, you're welcome to do so yourself.
@Lynch
I did misrep you a bit, although I don't see the big distinction. The point is, I found it funny how quickly you did your little headfake. Also, I'm getting very annoyed at how you just say, "oh, yeah, that was scummy too" every time I post (btw, the quotes don't mean you said exactly that, they're just to show that someone is sayng it) without actually giving any reason for it. It's like you have to keep on confirming what you said before by just saying that everything I post now is scummy. The truth about my recent posts is actually that I have less information to go on, and have to scumhunt myself instead of depending on others to do it for me. Before, there were always huge developments every day before I had even begun to scumhunt.

[danakillsu]

@all
Look, I don't like TF's double standard of lurking any more than you do, but I do have some experience with him. He's telling the truth about always lurking. I really don't see any reason to vote for him because I know his town meta, and this is it.

[danakillsu]

@Dana-
-If you are town, please spend time addressing me instead of focusing only on a player you claim to believe is scum.

I haven't only focused on a player I claim to believe is scum. I've talked plenty to Lynch.
I find Kthxbye a townie, mostly from gut. Mainly it's bv310. Did we hear all of his investigation results? I didn't think we did. Anyway, my saying that there MIGHT be some investigation results for people to base their votes on would have been a very sad attempt at rolefishing, because it wouldn't have even suggested to anyone that they reveal any such results.

You think wrong. You distinctly stated you find D3x "somewhat scummy" but not ready to be voted.

This statement is false. I had not stated another candidate, therefore he was my top candidate.
Mostly I was wrong about the situation. So sure, I guess you could call it a bandwagon vote. I had had some suspicions about d3x for some time, but apparently never spoke of them (partially because of the long stretch where I wasn't able to post).
And finally, this:

Okay, having read Dana in iso, I'd like to Unvote, Vote: Danakillsu

There is basically nothing protown in the entire read.
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WOW. This could be said about you minus your roleclaim and related posts, AGM, TF, and possibly others. This is about as pitiful as a Non-Random, Non-OMGUS vote can get. At least the others are trying to dig up something on me.

[danakillsu]

I am pretty sure that both TF and Scott are in Imperial Mafia

Interesting team-up you have there. Is it just because they're your two top suspects, or is there an actual link? I think a gaping, but not likely possibility is bv310 and Scott. Think about it. Once again, I'm not trying to say this is the case, but if bv310 was GMT, he would have some sort of investigative role (which ties in with the "tortured to death" thing). He could have investigated farside the first night, found her to be innocent, and decided to reveal that information immediately. Why? Because when she died, he could immediately reveal another "result" that would be accepted by all. Namely, that Scott Brosius was innocent. But that's just me doing another wild speculation. Please do explain why you see this connection, though.

[danakillsu]

@Kast
I'll try to get to answering your questions from before in a second.
@all
Since the votes seem to be piling up, let me at least answer before voting me any more.

[danakillsu]

Alright. As far as bv310 is concerned, it's such a simple matter, I'm surprised you couldn't see the answer without any explanation. I said in the third quote you have that bv310 was what made that wagon very townie. I then said that MINUS THE ROLECLAIM AND RELATED POSTS bv310 would not have anything pro-town to show. Where's the contradiction? And even if I contradicted myself, it doesn't make me scum. I apparently have a horrible memory about the events of this game and I'm not the best at defending myself, but that's about all you have on me. I'll be answering some more questions, just wait.

[danakillsu]

As far as the speculation thing is concerned, I guess you can consider it a fluff post, ignore it all together, or take it for what it was meant for: a slight warning. I just wanted everyone to realize that even though I myself and the rest of the group as well find bv310 to be town, he's not 100% confirmed. And yeah, the whole thing about farside not even being investigated by bv310 kinda throws the specific hypothesis out the window. But again, I don't really see how me coming up with a crazy, false idea makes me scum...

[danakillsu]

danakillsu is at least participating enough that we can try and get a read on him

*points to post. And look at this. It's the truth. I have been participating a whole lot in this game lately. It might seem like WIFOM to you, but my supposed scumpal Reaper Charlie wasn't exactly as verbal as I'm being. What do I have to gain by making myself the center of attention if I'm scum? I think a common error among players is that if someone acts very different, they're scummy. But for someone that's not exactly a newbie anymore like me, it's obvioius that I would know that more participation=higher difficulty for scum.
I can simply state that I have never found Lynch scummy nor implied it.

[danakillsu]

That should about do it. Kast, if you have any questions that haven't been answered, please just ask them again. I won't be on here anymore until tomorrow, so don't expect a claim from me until at least then.

[danakillsu]

Lots of people claim at L-2 just to make sure that no one hammers them before they get their claim out. Also, if you claim now it gives a tad more credibility to the claim, since you had less time to think out a fake one. I don't care that much, but it might be wiser to claim now.

[danakillsu]

I think I'm at L-1. I'll claim, then support my claim, then answer post 919. I'm Biggs Darklighter, Alliance Pilot (One-Shot Busdriver). I was able to switch any two players any one night so that the night actions that target one player instead target the other. (The reason it's one shot is because the Alliance is low on fuel, or so I am told). Anyhow, I didn't need to breadcrumb because SoG accidentally did it for me. He has a lot of posts on the subject, but mainly his iso post 31. He said he did not TARGET THC last night. Why did he put it this way even though we know for a fact that he did kill THC? Because that night, I switched THC and farside. I think anyone who believes it's between me and d3x should see clearly that he should be the one lynched, since all he has is a VT claim with no support.
And about post 919, it seems a bit ridiculous that you want me to say again that I was wrong. I was saying you calling my vote a blatant bandwagon vote wasn't backed up very well. I now think it was backed up well, although not well enough for it to be true.

[danakillsu]

That's just ridiculous. If your claim is true, and I believe it is for now, then you're just a VT now as well

Well of course, but I have something to back it up with because I made sure to have something ready as proof. I think d3x found out too late that he was going to have to claim to come up with anything other than VT.

Why did you target THC and FS?

I was thinking that Farside was just a VT, and so I thought it would be best if those who wanted THC (a mason) dead just killed Farside. Instead it ended up being the other way around. You might ask why I didn't switch THC with a scummy player, but I really had no scum candidates at the time.

Your claim would mean that FS's bounty (probably via Scum mafia) was intended for THC. This seems a bit odd; why would Jabba's group place a bounty on a confirmed town?

Two possibilites.
1) The bounty didn't count as a night action.
2) The bounty was placed on farside, switched to THC, and then switched back because THC died.
I don't really know how this happened, of course. All I did was choose my targets. If I claimed to know exactly what went wrong, I'd be lying scum.

[danakillsu]

-What is the flavor tie between your role and your ability?
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Oh yeah, and this. I have enough fuel to fly to a nearby planet and return but that's it. So I draw the conclusion that the idea is that I'm transporting a player from my planet to a nearby one and returning with a different player that was on that planet. Is that what you were looking for?

[danakillsu]

I don't like your reasoning about your choice (picking a confirmed town instead of any other player as potential kill target simply does not make sense).

Look. I could have chosen another player, but they could very well have been someone better than farside, someone with an actual PR, which I was pretty sure farside didn't have. I thought I would be able to downgrade the mafia groups' choice of THC, a mason, to a VT.

But I really don't buy thiss flavour. Why would the other player be on that planet? It simply does not make sense, and I think you screwed up your claim.

This is stupid. Why wouldn't the other player be on the planet I'm flying to? That's just the idea behind my Night Action. It's not supposed to be something that would always happen in real life. That's the point of flavor. It's supposed to be coincidental. If you were to try to say that I screwed up my claim, this would not be a great way to try to prove it. This is just like asking why a busdriver is able to switch two players during the night.

[danakillsu]

It is lke a vig saying, you know what, I better kill a townie because I might hit a power role otherwise. That's simply awful play.

Sort of, but not really. I wasn't actually planning on farside dying, although as I said in my claim post, I did want her dead instead of THC, if it came down to it. The difference is that if the scum tried to roleblock or do some sort of investigation on THC to see if he actually was a mason, they wouldn't accomplish anything. Also, I guess I didn't know for 100% sure that farside was a townie, since I didn't necessarily trust the investigation result. What all this is saying is that I didn't pull the trigger on farside, or even attempt to. I just realized that if worst came to worst, I didn't want THC dead, and I knew for sure that someone else would be better dead than THC: farside. Is it at all unclear what I'm saying, because it's obvious when you understand what I did that it had a very good chance of helping the town a lot. But the best laid plans of mice and men...

[danakillsu]

Wow, proofreading helps a lot.
EBWOP:The second-to-last sentence should read: Is it at all unclear what I'm saying? Because it's obvious that what I did had a very good chance of helping the town a lot when you understand what I was thinking.

[danakillsu]

-Speculating that the bounty was not a night action seems very counter-intuitive. That's like assuming the kills announced at the beginning of the day aren't night kills. It is possible (ie. delayed kills from previous time period), but without some evidence to suggest it, seems odd.

That it is possible is all I'm saying. It does admittedly seem somewhat odd, but from my point of view, the evidence to suggest it is the same reason I realized it was possible.

I asked about flavor because I don't think yours fits perfectly. Biggs (as Ooba has pointed out) is a fighter pilot. More specifically, he was an X-Wing pilot. X-Wing's don't carry passengers.

It's true that they don't normally, but I'm sure they COULD...

It's possible that he could fly a shuttle or light transport craft, and I was expecting you to post something related to that.

I'm glad you thought about this, but I can't tell you any more than I have. Do you guys all have really complex flavor PM's? (It's rhetorical, don't answer if you don't want to) I sure don't. I'm not going to just make up something that's not in my PM and have it shot down by whatever people who know Star Wars better than I do.

[danakillsu]

I don't know that d3x should be investigated. I think he should be lynched!
@ those who were on d3x's wagon
Why did you leave? You can't just drop a case against a scummy player every time they claim VT with no confirmation whatsoever. Then all scum has to do is claim VT and you'll leave them alone? Tell me you're better than that.

I think ooba's got something on AGM, but I need to iso him first, and I'll only switch my vote if I see that everyone who left d3x's wagon will for some reason stay that way.

[danakillsu]

Yeah, AGM has voted the most bizzare people. He has voted with RC only once: when the scummiest player was extremely obvious. It seems as if he wants to stay away from voting with RC at all costs. And usually the result of that is that he votes for people not suspected at the time. My current list of suspects is:
d3x
AGM
DP
I think AGM might have some sort of Scum (as opposed to Empire) role that can give him information, since he votes for such seemingly strange people and because he has voted for d3x (whom I very much suspect as an Empire scum) quite a bit. One might ask why I'm voting for my suspected Empire scum instead of my suspected Scum scum, but it's because I'm much surer about d3x.

[danakillsu]

Sorry. I'm vanilla.

What is this? Is it a claim? Come on... Just because I suspect you? And illuminate you on what? However, your PBP reads seem perceptive. I admit that not everything I've done is glaringly pro-town, and you've found the two others who stick out the most. I personally don't think TF is scum because he plays like this as town, and I of course know I'm not scum, so for me that would leave d3x out of those three.

[danakillsu]

Umm? You did the same thing. You must be trying to get rid of d3x for whatever reason, making me think you are scum. If you want to prove me wrong, since you already said your VT and your ability, how about you just post it here and you will lose my vote to the quote below

I don't know wth this is supposed to mean! I did the same thing how? I didn't leave d3x's wagon, and I didn't claim VT with no confirmation. The fact that you are saying I claimed VT and an ability shows that you don't know what you are talking about or phrased this horribly. Admittedly, I no longer have an ability, making me essentially a VT, but I confirmed my claim with real evidence. But it's definitely hard to prove you wrong when you are very unclear.
@ vezopiraka
Could you answer my questions please? I want to know why you felt the need to claim VT, if that is what you did, and what you needed to be illuminated about.

[danakillsu]

I am always claiming day 1 so I don't get lynched. I claimed what I am and to catch scum.

My plan: Don't lynch the last guy in the jabba the hut part. We should lynch the empire so the other scum team can help us kill each other.

Defense of Scum team noted. Especially it was your predecessor I suspected most of being on that team. I don't deny that it's possible the remaining Scum member could kill an Empire member tonight, but looking at the track records of the mafia teams, I think not. They haven't been going after each other or are really bad at doing it. So I say, let's get rid of the last Scum member and have only one town-aligned player dying every night. And now that you've made me sure that it's you,

unvote vote: vezopiraka

I'm still up for a d3x lynch, and would like more people to answer me about it.

[danakillsu]

Oh, and btw, claiming D1 is a horrible idea. If you claim a PR, then the scum will kill you N1. If you claim VT (like now) everyone's going to be suspicious. Telling everyone that you're a VT doesn't (or at least shouldn't) make them want to not vote for you. Especially in this game, where there don't seem to be a lot of VT's, and two people claimed VT before you. There's a reason I haven't seen anyone but you say that they claim routinely on D1.

[danakillsu]

@dan- You're calling people out for leaving my Wagon, right? Considering AGM and DP are your other top Scum reads, do you think we're all 3 on a single Scum Team? Would this be a 3rd Team or would one of the others have 3 members left alive?

Yep. And if you're point is that I left too, I actually had something to go on (Vezopiraka's posts). Nobody else has yet given me a good reason for doing the same thing.
Nope. I think you and DP could very well be empire and AGM/vezopiraka Scum.

Do you have meta to support that TF plays differently as Scum?

Well, no, but I go with what I have, and that's his town meta.

[danakillsu]

Nice try, but I don't think so. Why? Because his name is Derek Klivian. If you were reading off of a PM, you wouldn't spell it wrong. You got the name out of your head, I think, since you didn't have enough time to go check something other than your PM. What do you guys think?

[danakillsu]

What a hole you have digged yourself in.

And this is supposed to mean...?

Not necessarily. He had plenty of time, there was no reason to post 1061, so he could simply check. If anything, I would expect scum to be more careful.

Exactly. He had time between posts to simply check his PM, but either was town and didn't check his PM to make sure he spelled it right, or was scum and felt his claim would be recognized as more truthful if he posted it quickly, and messed it up. Mainly, though, I just don't see any town motivation in quickly posting a claim and incidentally messing it up. I do see a scum motivation in quickly posting a claim and incidentally messing it up.

Cases are built all day and someone replaces in and is going to get lynched in 1.5 pages. Seems like BOTH scum groups are jumping on this one.

All the cases built all day do not amount to anywhere near claiming immediately, mispelling the name of the role claimed, and having a scummy predecessor. And why would you say vezo is going to get lynched in 1.5 pages? I don't necessarily want vezo lynched immediately.

[danakillsu]

I was talking about Vez, who has shifted the whole game around from D3x to You to Him

So was the quote from me at the beginning of the post QFT or what?

Definitely should get a post up either tonight or tomorrow though.

I eagerly await this.

[danakillsu]

Come on, Slicey, you can do it. Just go ahead and hammer the guy. He's given up anyway, so he's no use to the town.

[danakillsu]

dana: why didn't you explain that you had this power as soon as the day started after the night you used it? Especially since SoG said he didn't target THC. I don't understand why you waited till L-1 to claim this when you could have claimed immediately after SoG said he didn't target THC. Also, SoG was scum, so just because he said he didn't target SoG doesn't mean he was even telling the truth. Damn, the more I think about it, the more and more your claim makes less and less sense. Please answer these questions (better be good answers for your sake).

I didn't do this for two reasons: 1) It wasn't necessary. Others wanted Wreck Star lynched, and I figured we might as well get that scum killed as get SoG killed. I also knew that SoG was coming next, since just about everyone also suspected him. Most importantly, I thought Kast was still a vig, so I thought both would die anyway. You'll notice that I had an unexpected inability to post between when Kast revealed he couldn't shoot anymore and when SoG died. 2) People seem to be unhappy when PRs reveal their roles unnecessarily. I wanted to be sure it mattered before I revealed my role. Revealing my role would not have accomplished anything, and could very well have been the last straw that got me lynched. Now please tell me we can lynch vezo or d3x. How many people are we going to let go for claiming a VT?

[danakillsu]

I think also that SoG had no reason to lie from your perspective. Why would he bother putting it that way when he could have just said he didn't kill THC? Because it was easier for him to just tell the truth. What did he stand to gain from implying a redirection if it didn't actually happen?

[danakillsu]

Don't take this as dropping suspicion of Dana. The bloodthirst in pursuing anyone but himself right now reads as desperate scum and in case I am not around tomorrow, I hope town continues to look at him.

I haven't pursued TF, that's for sure. And should I pursue myself?

@Dana-
SoG had a huge reason to lie. He had a claimed investigation result that implicated him as a scum night killer.

Please explain in further detail.

Just read last page. Are you people nuts? Did you just lynch TF??? /headdesk

[danakillsu]

You are town = Vez, Dan, and D3x are scum, possibly ooba.
You are scum = Vez and Dan are definatly scum (Dan due to the post above and Vez, well... do I need a reason for him )

also just to let everyone know (Old news)

Vez will be lynched next round

Blaze, if you weren't REALLY new, I would be first in line to murder you for this post, but since you are, I'll go easy on you. Simply put, this is ridiculous. If TF is town, like I've been saying he is, I'm scum. If TF is scum, like I haven't been saying he is, I'm REALLY scum. Most of the people who suspect me have indicated that they think I'm Scum scum. If so, how could I know that TF is actually scum, assuming he is? I couldn't be his scumpal, unless Scum scum has more people than Empire, because I don't see more than 7 scum in this game. Then, in one fell swoop, you go on to say who the town is going to lynch tomorrow, regardless of information gleaned from the NK/NKs. Basically what this entire post says is that no matter what happens, vezo is next, and then me, and we can't do anything about it.

HoS: Blaze

[danakillsu]

Post 1109 is typically a scum trying to sound town in my book, and strengthens my read one dana.

What are you talking about? I'd opposed a TF lynch from the beginning. Should I be happy that scum made sure he did get lynched?

This either means you know TF is townie by a fact, your scumbuddies, or that was just a random post.

Uh, no, none of the above. How could I know he is a townie by being scum? There would still be other scum that I wouldn't know for sure.

I like how he throws in those marks after your name, at first I thought they meant nothing, but now I think more of them. After reading this post I am sure of it.

CryMeARiver wrote:
The reason that I didn't want to release earlier about why I investigated Farside and wanted farside and wolf to be clear is because I have only breadcrumbed my flavor/role in this particular way in one other game, and they were both in it.
Breadcrumb 1 wrote:
You are absolutely right with that one. One who hasn't watched the Family Guy Star Wars needs to go watch it right now. Darth Vader is Stewie, Brian is Chewy, it even has Herbert the Pervert. Anyone who hasn't watched it, youtube it, it's hilarious.

Happy now?


I love how he hides his secrets within posts, so I say that he investigated you and he (Not I, because I lack his knowledge) knows you are not just scum, but jabba scum.

This is really not logical. If he knew I was scum from investigation, why didn't he just say so? I wasn't about to get lynched, so him saying that would have been really useful to the town, if it was true. The fact is, CMAR just doesn't like me. As a player in general. He has said this in every game we've played together.

Wow... stole just about everything I was going to pull off after the kill. I give you points for pulling off the HOS before I did it to you while I lynched Vez. Now after reading everything in the forum, I believe that you and DP think I am scum. I must say I believe what CMAR said. You and Scott are Scum. I am going to believe him all the way. I think that d3x is not scum and CMAR said you are a scum, if you want want to know something.

This is confusing, but it looks like you're saying: "I'll believe what reads other players got off of dana, and just vote for him because of that" This is ridiculous. The only thing you've got on me is what other players think/thought about me, and they obviously didn't have investigation results, or they would have said them.
As per bv310's advice/investigation result,

vote: d3x

[danakillsu]

Blazez: Try clicking at the bottom of the page on the arrow next to "all users". Select bv310, and click go. It will iso bv310, and you can read only his posts. That should help you find his claim, if that's what you are looking for. And...a list? Of what?

[danakillsu]

EBWOP:
In 1124, the first quote is DP, the others are BlazezRB.
@Blazez
While you are answering 1124, answer this. why would you believe a half-baked suspicion on Scott from CMAR when bv310 said his N3 result was that Scott was innocent? Granted, I believed at one time there was a slight possibility of bv310 being scum, but his result on d3x seems to be accurate, since I've suspected him all along. So either you have to say you think bv310 and Scott are both Empire scum, or that neither is. And if both are, I'm not Empire with Scott, bv310 is.

[danakillsu]

I will keep my vote on d3x for three reasons despite some saying the result was not an indicator of his scumminess
1) I found him scummy before this happened.
2) bv310 would have had this happen before if it was roleblocking
3) Darth Vader and I both had roleblocking/redirection abilities, so I don't really see another roleblocker anyway.
@ BlazezRB
No, I did not have anything to do with it, as I've already said that I no longer have abilities.

Also DP has less chance of being scum in my eyes, because his actions WERE pre-submitted if he had any. This means that if he had been scum, he would have submitted an NK, but as we know, scum didn't kill anyone last night.

[danakillsu]

someone correct me if I am wrong, but I skimed the reading, and there is nothing about transporting anyone in the series, that is something to think about.

Well, that's not entirely true, but the idea behind it is. The flavor has been said to not fit perfectly, but the agreement is that if the mod wanted a role like mine (which most think he did) this flavor would be the best way to do it. The reason I say it's not that simple is, for instance, Luke always takes R2-D2 (one of the roles apparently in this game) with him as a passenger. So some of the characters in this game would fit into this just fine.

[danakillsu]

The other big question is the bounty. If Dana had redirected THC (I kinda get confused on redirection and busdriving, so correct me if I'm wrong), wouldn't the bounty originally have been on THC? It makes no sense for the bounty to be on THC, which is the biggest reason I'm doubting the claim right now. However, there's no way dana could be Jabba scum. If he's scum, he'd have to coordinate that with SoG.

I talked about this already. Just check my iso.

My plan? Lynch the last guy in the Jabba group. Not sure if it's vezo or DP. BTW, if one does flip Jabba scum, that doesn't mean the other clear. I think they're both likely to be scum.

Vote: Dragon Phoenix

Interesting. I pretty much agree with you here, except I would add d3x into the mix. I'd be willing to vote for DP, since the thing I mentioned earlier doesn't give him too many town points and he's one of the three people I've suspected for a while. I think that d3x should be first, though.
And I can get a read on Blaze. I think he's scummy town, just like TF was.

[danakillsu]

I will post my case on d3x tomorrow. I might have made a case on him already, I don't know. Just check my iso.

[danakillsu]

d3x is at L-1. Don't vote for him unless you want him lynched (although obviously I have no problem with that). Here's my case on d3x.
1) iso 4, 6, 9: Defends Wreck Star
2) iso 21 coaches RC (a relatively new player) to not speculate about the setup.
3) after these two die, he appears to stop being particularly friendly to anyone.
These 3 things are what make me believe he's the last of the Scum team. I expect the Emperor to possibly give a Town investigation result, but the mod may have given a neutral investigation result to the final member of the Scum team because it's not quite as good. It serves to confuse us, but probably won't keep us from lynching him. In fact, these 3 things are exactly what one would look for when searching for the last of the Scum. Since quite a few different things could have happened with the investigation, I'm going to PRETTY MUCH ignore it. I'm not sure what info we can really get from it.

[danakillsu]

What I am saying is that bv's result is not indicative of d3x's alignment. I find the entire wagon which built up suspicious.

I really don't like it when people do this. Could you please give your read on d3x? You can't always stay off a wagon just because of the other people on it. If he's scum, he's scum, and the other people on his wagon might be scum of an opposing party.

[danakillsu]

When I said I didn't have a problem with d3x being lynched, I didn't mean "hammer him now". I definitely would love to give him a chance to admit he's scum and give us info or maybe tell us something that would convince us he's actually town. I definitely agree that the investigation result should be taken as-is: a null.
@ Blazez
I realize you're all gung ho about getting d3x lynched, but you're not really helping matters by saying we should lynch him now, or even necessarily soon. This forces me to reconsider my read on you as inexperienced/inept town.

[danakillsu]

You know what, on second thought, I'm not at all happy with this wagon. There are too many questions around the investigation.

Unvote

Doesn't look like great reasoning, since you already had time to form your opinion on the investigation. What changed? And what are these questions of which you speak? Actually looks more like you're his scumbuddy trying to take the steam out of the wagon on him. If the Empire had 4 members (which is possible), and d3x flips Empire, you are definitely Empire.

[danakillsu]

Blaze is a townie, just like TF was, and I'll say it until one of us dies. He keeps messing up, but he'll learn eventually. btw, notice how he keeps mentioning pigs earlier (I thought something was up with that "Miss Piggy" vote, but didn't want to tell anyone that it was breadcrumbing for obvious reasons). I don't understand any of the ability claiming thing, and in fact, it confuses me greatly, but I think he is WHO he claims to be.
@ Lynch
Just because I'm saying you're scummy for leaving the d3x wagon after someone else already did doesn't mean I want d3x quicklynched, and in fact I have said the obvious.

[danakillsu]

Perhaps he claimed this to gain credibility? He saw what happened to TF, who claimed VT, so maybe he wanted to claim something he could "prove" by pointing out the no-kill night.

[danakillsu]

Problem is, there 2 have buddied up to each other. That makes me think scum team.

Just how stupid do you think I am? I've played large games before, and I've played as scum before. I'm not dumb enough to encourage a two-way buddy with a scumpal.

FOS: danakillsu

You are are so desperate for a lynch right now it's scary.

Whatever. You're just determined to believe what you want to believe about me, apparently. I say you have no good reason to unvote, and you jump all over me, saying DESPITE MY STATEMENTS TO THE CONTRARY that I am desperate for a quicklynch on d3x. Such a lynch is definitely preferable to lynching Blazez, but not the best thing for the town.
@all
Once and for all, I need everyone to answer this question: IF I was mafia for sure, which group do you think I would be in?
It seems to me that some have expressed mutually inconsistent idea about me being scum, like "He's the last Scum member" and "If Blazez flips scum, dana is scum". (These are not meant to be quotes from anyone).
Also, do you think mafia members get fullclaims or just names, if they get safeclaims at all?

let's not lynch until we hear from EVERYONE on these newest posts. Also, I can't believe you guys skipped over Blaze wrote:
Wait a minute, even if I am town, your going to get rid of me, I promise you are making a big mistake. Try to remember that D3x is the possible scum at the moment.
(underline/bold is mine.)

Talk about your obv scum-slips. it will be interesting to see which scum team he flips on.

btw, nice misrep. He's obviously saying "Whether I'm town or not, you're going to lynch me". It makes perfect grammatical sense, you just want to twist it to whatever meaning is convenient for you. Like scum would really just say, "Oh, if I was town, etc." If I'm frantic to get d3x lynched, this guy's maniacal.

[danakillsu]

but his play today has seemed really desperate to me.
_________________

I can understand that. It springs from me wanting d3x dead and not liking how everyone is moving from him to one of my town reads. Also, Kthxbye has been doing this thing all game where he says: "if A happens dana is scum, if B happens dana is REALLY scum" and it's really getting on my nerves. I'm starting to feel like it doesn't really matter what I do, some people will think I'm mafia.
@all

Also, do you think mafia members get fullclaims or just names, if they get safeclaims at all?

I guess ooba and Lynch must have missed this question in my earlier post.

[danakillsu]

@Slicey
Who had one-shot RB? I can't remember.

[danakillsu]

Kast: Good point. Dana could very well be Jabba scum.

Unvote, Vote:danakillsu

This is strange, because I don't see Kast saying anything that hasn't already been said about me, and suddenly you're saying the exact opposite about me from what you've been saying all game.

fos: Slicey

go ahead and call that OMGUS, but I definitely don't think you're voteworthy, just that you're acting suspiciously here.

[danakillsu]

@Slicey
You also ignored my 1223, where I asked you to name the 1-shot roleblocker in this setup. I can't remember who it was, and I'm not sure I can find it.

[danakillsu]

More like I thought there was no way you could be Jabba scum, but then Kast made me realize I was being dumb and that you could be Jabba scum. I didn't vote you initially because I was trying to find the last Jabba scum, and due to faulty logic I didn't think it could be you.

Well this is pretty obvious. I knew that if you changed your mind there was a reason for it. I want to know what he said that you had never heard before and why it made you think I could be Jabba scum and what your faulty logic was before.

Also the 1-shot RB was farside, check the deaths. >_>

Thanks, I for some reason didn't think to check the deaths.

[danakillsu]

Well as per rule E4, the prevailing idea was correct. The investigation result doesn't tell us anything more. That definitely doesn't mean d3x isn't scum, though.
I would lynch:
d3x
DP
Kthxbye
In that order. I REALLY don't see myself voting for anyone else today.

[danakillsu]

I'm Leah Organa

Um, no, you're not. You probably aren't even LEIA Organa, since you botched your claim. And let's say you are who you say you are. It doesn't prove Blaze is scum. He wouldn't have been told that he was roleblocked (as per E4, which the mod JUST POINTED US TO!!!), so as far as he knew, what he said was true.

Homs: Kthxbye

[danakillsu]

@Kthxbye
I wasn't talking about precedence. The fact is, Blaze would not be told (NO MATTER WHAT) that he was RB'd.
BTW, guys, what's up with your "If Blaze is town, dana is scum" stuff? I tried to save TF, and I'm trying to save Blaze. If I was scum, I could have easily at least laid back and watch it happen, but I didn't. Call it WIFOM, but where's the scum motivation in constantly saving town. If I was scum, I would want to win, and I wouldn't have gotten a kill last night.
I am sure Blaze is town because of his claim, breadcrumbing, and the fact that his claim works well with other people's. As has been said already, the only claim that looks fake is d3x's. That being said, Blaze, if you are somehow Empire, just tell us what you know so that we can catch the last Scum member.

[danakillsu]

Of course he wouldn't be told he was RBed. But he sure as hell wouldn't be told that his action worked {ala Blaze1230}. One of the 2 of them is lying Scum. We're about to find out which.

Why wouldn't he be told it worked? That would indicate he was RB'ed just as surely.
Why does one of us have to be scum, just because we agreed that each other were town? That happens all the time.

[danakillsu]

My, what a long twilight we have here...

[danakillsu]

@d3x
I understand the point you are making now. Still, it wouldn't make Blaze scum, whether he lied about it or the mod messed up. He could have lied about getting a PM from the mod because he thought it would give him the credibility he needed. Remember, he's a newb. I'd still be surprised if he was scum.

[danakillsu]

Alright, well I've been trying to do this for quite a while now, but maybe people will listen to me today.

vote: d3x

I'm left wondering about Kthxbye. He explained last night's no-kill with his one-shot ability, but the no-kill happened again. This makes me think there could be a different explanation for both no-kills, which would make Kthx a liar. It wouldn't make him scum necessarily, but...
I think it's time I made my own scum list, since people will finally recognize that I am, in fact, Biggs Darklighter.

Scum

d3x

Scummy

DP

???

ooba
Slicey
Lynch
vezopiraka
Kthxbye

Town

Scott Brosius
danakillsu
wolframnhart
Kast
bv310
I would probably lynch DP today, but I don't know why we wouldn't just lynch d3x.
Also, I don't want to rush things, but does anyone think a massclaim is in order? A claim from ooba, slicey, and lynch would help me try to find the last scum player.

[danakillsu]

Hey dana, why doesn't DP need to claim, but everyone else who hasn't needs to? You couldn't have forgotten, you even said he was scummy. >_>

Unfortunately both you and Kthx managed to take my sentence the wrong way despite it being very clear. I named the people whose claims will help me to determine the last scum. I already know DP is scum and d3x is scum, so I'm trying to find the third. And I know Scott is town from the investigation result. I am fully in favor of a massclaim from all who have not claimed yet.
@ Scott, ooba, Lynch, DP
Since Slicey has claimed, you should claim your names as well or go up a notch in scumminess in my book.

[danakillsu]

Okay, at least one of Scott and dana is town, which surprises the hell out of me.

Don't follow you. Why is this?

[danakillsu]

EBWOP: Specifically, why only at least one of us, instead of just both of us?

[danakillsu]

Are we actually calling for a mass claim? What is the deal here? I'm not claiming just based on dana's request.

Yes, we are, obviously, and your hesitation is somewhat scummy.

I am Wedge Antilles, commander of Rogue Squadron. I am unnightklliable. And inter alia, I was in the battle of Hoth.

To the game: It makes sense that one of the cleared suspicious players has a high chance of being a GF, but we can deal with that later.

a) You weren't supposed to claim abilities.
b) An unnightkillable Wedge seems strange.
c) Interesting you should mention the GF in this post. Coupled with my suspicions of you before, your claim of an unnightkillable townie is very interesting. I wouldn't be at all surprised at this point if you were the emperor, who can be investigated, but not night killed.
What does everyone else think about this?

[danakillsu]

- DP's claim of NK screams SK\GF - but why would he claim it? I cannot see a scum motivation for it (except probably the WIFOM).

Good question. Maybe he just thought that if anyone tried it out, he would be seen as a townie because he told the truth about being unnightkillable. But that's the reason I'm not voting for him yet.

Yeah, with all the name claims now, d3x's seems very off. What's the flavor for Wickett? BTW, Kthx, Chewy was a fakeclaim used by Wreck Star.

I don't like DP's claim, for obvious reasons. I really think we should lynch him or Vezo today.

First paragraph: Absolutely. The town claims have a pattern and the scum fakeclaims have a pattern, and guess which one d3x's fits into?
Second paragraph: Really? Why is it that no matter what anyone says or does, d3x isn't scum. This post seems to say "d3x is uberscummy, but let's not lynch him".

FoS: Slicey

[danakillsu]

Ninja'd by Scott.

[danakillsu]

And what. pray tell, would that pattern be?

Scum members appear to have furry animals as their fake claims, and that's what you claimed.
Empire members seems to have somewhat major characters (as far as their impact, not screen time) as their fake claims, and that's what Lynch claimed. DP's claim again doesn't fit here, so I'm really wondering what's up with that, but maybe I'll figure that out later.

add the word "claimed" in front of LMP and Slicey's claimed roles as I forgot to. They are by no means confirmed.

Is ooba's claim confirmed?

[danakillsu]

sorry.

vezo: same question to you as to d3x. also, I'd like to hear your theory about last night's lack of NK's. I'd also like you to just participate in general.

This.

[danakillsu]

What are you smoking? How can Mon Mothma and Obi Wan be anywhere near the same thing impact wise? Mon Mothma is a really minor character.

I'll say it again, slowly: IMPACT, not SCREENTIME. In case you didn't know, Mon Mothma is essentially the Rebel LEADER. She provides the military strategy for the entire Rebellion. I'm not debating the fact that she does not appear much in the movie, but she is important nonetheless. And also, there's no need to get so irate. I haven't really accused you of being scum, just drawn a link between your claim and the fakeclaim of Darth Vader.

Did I miss RC's FakeClaim? Or are you suggesting solely due to WS's Chewie Claim that there's a pattern between him and me? Because if you are, that's reaching, ridiculous, and just plain stupid. You suggested that they have this and it's my Claim, thus stating that regardless of what my Claim is, they have this 'pattern'. Hell, you could make the same argument for all of the Others to have Cloud City based FakeClaims. One popped up, thus there's a pattern!!! OMGWTFBBQ!!!1!

I assumed RC never claimed because he was killed N3. But I may have missed something in my read. Yes, I am suggesting this. WS's claim was a furry animal, so is yours. That is all I am saying, and it is the undisputed truth. I choose to draw a conclusion from this that you are even more likely to be on the same team as he was, and I don't see how you can say it's that ridiculous. It's as much of a pattern as I could possibly see, since RC (I think) never claimed. I'll iso him now.

[danakillsu]

No, RC didn't ever claim. So we only have WS's claim to go on to establish a scum fakeclaim pattern.

[danakillsu]

Basically, since I survived so many battles I survive night attacks.

As the commander I guess my ability is nightly rather than one shot as for the others.

This makes absolutely no sense to me.

My bolding. Ever consider that the explanation could be that I am not scum?

Presumably rhetorical. The reasons I hesitate to say that you're not scum are these:
1) You didn't have to use your fakeclaim, if you are scum.
2) You are scummy for reasons that have nothing to do with your claim.
3) It is possible that scum fakeclaims do not have a pattern, even though it looks as if they do.

[danakillsu]

If anyone else joins the DP wagon, I will gladly switch. A DP lynch is way better than nothing. However, I still think d3x has more chance of being scum. Also, I will be V/LA the last Sunday of June through the first Friday of July. I think that's the 27th through the 2nd. So I will be back before the deadline hits.

[danakillsu]

Alright folks, here's what I've been thinking.

d3x claimed way early when he was at L-1. Assuming there are 3 scum/anti-town players left, they would have all claimed very recently. Discussion about d3x's claim being 'off' happened BEFORE the mass name claim. If I were scum, and d3x was indeed town, with all the debate surrounding d3x's claim, I sure as hell would claim a pilot or an officer of the republic. This would bring even more heat on the d3x claim. My suggestion for today would be to lynch DP. If he flips scum, then it lends some credit to my theory on this. If he flips what he claimed however, then I'd be all for a d3x lynch tomorrow. This is part WIFOM, I know, but it's a logical move for scum.

d3x: I'm very influential because I'm a powerful and highly respected politician. Because of this, I can call a Cease Fire (ie. Mass Roleblock) once in the game during the night phase. That's as close as I can get without quoting the role PM.

dana/LMP: Why do you need one other person to join the DP wagon before switching? Are you wanting to be the hammer? He'd be at L-1 if you both switched and then someone else could hammer. Is there a reason one of you would rather be the hammer than the person who puts him at L-2 and L-1? If so, what's the reason?

A) exactly. This is why I think DP could easily be scum. As I already said, he didn't have to use his fakeclaim and he definitely had some motivation not to.
B) I'm not sure what you're getting at. I don't care whether I put him at L-2, L-1, or hammer him. If more people want to lynch him, I'd be glad to help out. Not that we need to rush things, but I do think we have all the evidence we need for a lynch, and that we won't be getting much more today.

[danakillsu]

Well, I guess I was getting at who do you think is MORE likely scum? d3x or DP. Decide that and leave or switch your vote. I'm not getting why you feel you need to wait for others to tip the scales one way or the other before you make this stance. If you think d3x is more likely scum, you should be convincing others that this is the case, not waiting for others to decide which way they are going to go. It's slightly scummy tbh.

FoS: dana

Wow. What a misrep. Seriously, all I'm saying is that I will lynch either d3x or DP, whichever one I CAN get lynched today. This is because I'm pretty darn sure they're both scum. I think d3x is more likely scum (I wonder if that's why I'm voting for him now) but will be happy to help lynch DP.

Well, I guess I was getting at who do you think is MORE likely scum? d3x or DP. Decide that and leave or switch your vote. I'm not getting why you feel you need to wait for others to tip the scales one way or the other before you make this stance. If you think d3x is more likely scum, you should be convincing others that this is the case, not waiting for others to decide which way they are going to go. It's slightly scummy tbh.

FoS: dana

I agree. Coupled with his play yesterday, and now you see why I wanted to hear Kast's opinion on bv's investigate result. dana keeps seeming scummy to me, although Scott B has mentioned that he thinks dana always seems scummy. Thus I want a confirmed and smart pro-town player's read of the situation. I bought dana's claim at first, but something isn't adding up.

What does this have to do with my claim? And I don't understand why you need someone else's opinion to establish your own. Isn't that what Kthxbye was just falsely accusing me of?

Hypocrisy=fos:Lynch

[danakillsu]

@dan- Why do you think we won't be getting 'much more' evidence for today? Are you assuming that Scum will largely shut up because the Lynches on the table {MisLynch in my case}? What about ooba's information on vezo? What about the players who have not even posting today yet {vezo's V/LA until the 17th, wolf}?

In fact, until we hear from ooba...

UnVote

It's just conjecture. It's my educated guess, based on the fact that we have squeezed past events dry. I think Slicey's info could possibly help, but probably won't. Just a guess, that's all. And I don't think wolf or vezo has ever really contributed much. And why do you even bother reiterating that you would be a MisLynch? It's not like that's going to change our minds.

[danakillsu]

dana's hyper-defensiveness even after being investigated seems really scummy to me.

This is just wrong. It's so blatantly untrue. I have become "defensive" simply because I must defend myself. Why must I defend myself? BECAUSE YOU ARE THE ONE SAYING THE INVESTIGATION RESULT ISN'T ENOUGH. You're not letting me hide behind just an investigation result, but you still want me to try? That's patently ridiculous.
Also, you agreed with Kthxbye that I shouldn't be basing my vote on what other people think (which I'm really not), while waiting for Kast's opinion to make your decision on whom to vote for. You're the one who's really doing it, not me. Therefore I fos'ed you.

First- Let's not go around calling players Confirmed if they aren't. While I believe Kast is Town, he hasn't been Confirmed {unless I completely missed something}. He demonstrated an ability that he said he had. What guarantee is there that Scum or Other can't have that ability? Again, I believe Kast is Town, but he is not Confirmed. Hell, even the players that have been cleared through Sane investigations aren't Confirmed.

I quote this because it points out something very interesting. You call Kast confirmed just because he had a day-vig ability that he claimed to have. I agree that he is town, but that's not the point. I have an investigation result by a confirmed cop saying that I am a townie, but you're not buying it. Do you see the problem here? Lynch, I think you need to stop diverting the attention from the actual scum here to a truly confirmed townie, because what I see as possibly a town vs. town argument is not helping anything.

[danakillsu]

That looks like blatant band wagonning. As Kthxbye pointed out, if you think one of them is scummier than the other, then vote that one. But saying you'll "help out" on another case you think isn't as solid seems scummy to me. The difference between that and me asking another player for their take on a position that I've already taken a firm stand on is pretty large.

Well you may think it LOOKS like it. I'm not going to debate that. But why would I not help out to lynch someone I think is scum? Just because the person I'm voting for is scummier in my opinion doesn't mean I won't help lynch someone who is scum. And I really see no problem with that. It's no different from saying I'd be up for a d3x or DP lynch today.
And btw, I AM voting for the one I think is scummier, so why do you keep telling me to do it? And if you mean continuing to vote them no matter what, that's not pro-town play. If I realize that for whatever reason, there's no way d3x is going to be lynched today, it doesn't help town for me to stay on his wagon until the bitter end.

[danakillsu]

I was expecting something

way

better than that. Let the Day commence.
VOTE: DP

I heartily echo this sentiment. Although I did have a gut feeling it wasn't going to be much, I thought it was going to be more than that...

[danakillsu]

Anybody else think hp could have been recruited by Jabba mafia, thus making it a three person scumteam and also why we haven't had a Jabba kill since RC died?

Mind...exploding...
hp? I don't understand. He already died. How could he have been recruited by Jabba mafia? Unless you're saying he could have been, but in fact wasn't. But would that be balanced? With all the town PR's I would tend to say no. I think there is probably someone still alive from the Scum team: d3x. But to follow my own reasoning/promises, I will be voting for one of the members of the Empire team: DP.

unvote vote:DP

[danakillsu]

L-1, DP. Time for a fullclaim. If you have any other abilites/flavor to give us that might convince us you're town, now's the time.

[danakillsu]

I believe this was a 22-player setup, so 7 scum would not be impossible, but less than 6 starting out would be brutal to the scum, especially since they are not on the same team. What you're saying is possible, but doesn't say anything about who we should be looking for, since I think there must have been a third Scum member starting out.

[danakillsu]

GD it all. The only part of your last post that makes me want more discussion is the people on your wagon.....None of whom I'd call town and in fact many of whom I've called scum.

Unvote

till others get a chance to weigh in. I'd also like to hear ooba's promised post before we lynch today.

I don't get this. As I've said before, it shouldn't matter much who's on the wagon. Slicey's town, you're town, I've been confirmed town, and I believe d3x is Scum mafia. Why does it matter if Lynchmepls is also on the wagon? Just because some suspicious people are on the wagon, you're not going to lynch someone who almost everything else against them? As far as hearing ooba's post, fine, but I expect to see you back on the wagon if he says nothing important about DP, because I'm getting tired of the cold feet. Just remember, Scum mafia wants Empire mafia lynched just as much as town does, so let's take advantage of that instead of having misgivings about it.

[danakillsu]

I am Wedge Antilles, commander of Rogue Squadron. I am unnightklliable. And inter alia, I was in the battle of Hoth.

Basically, since I survived so many battles I survive night attacks.

As the commander I guess my ability is nightly rather than one shot as for the others.

This is what DP has said so far. The second quote doesn't make much sense, first of all. Making someone unnightkillable just because they survived a few battles is at least a little ridiculous. But what about the second sentence? As the commander of Rogue Squadron, he has a nightly unnightkillable ability as opposed to a one-shot for others. Does this mean that you know that all Rogue Squadron members have a one-shot unnightkillable ability? Or are you saying that all other member of the Rogue Squadron have some one-shot ability?
Finally, over all, this isn't an impressive amount of flavor. It is rather vague, so although it doesn't make him mafia automatically, this certainly could have been thought up on the spot.

[danakillsu]

I think Slicey is town. If you don't, I guess that would explain why you find the DP wagon fishy, although I've already explained why even that shouldn't be much of a problem.

I think DP is the best lynch today. The reason based on his role is because his claim doesn't fit with all the other pilot claims, including confirmed pilot flip from farside22 being a 1-shot, and I'm assuming the Han Solo 1-shot is because he is a pilot too. dana claims a pilot PR and also says it is 1-shot. If DP had claimed 1-shot bodyarmor that would have seemed more fitting with what we've seen from the setup.

This is not the right way to argue for his lynch based on his claim. He has said that he gets more than one shot because he is the leader, but that all the pilots get a one-shot ability. Fair enough. But look at Blaze. He didn't have a one-shot ability, he was just a VT. So DP saying this doesn't make sense because not all of the pilots got abilities at all.

[danakillsu]

I am Wedge Antilles, commander of Rogue Squadron. I am unnightklliable. And inter alia, I was in the battle of Hoth.

To the game: It makes sense that one of the cleared suspicious players has a high chance of being a GF, but we can deal with that later.

a) You weren't supposed to claim abilities.
b) An unnightkillable Wedge seems strange.
c) Interesting you should mention the GF in this post. Coupled with my suspicions of you before, your claim of an unnightkillable townie is very interesting. I wouldn't be at all surprised at this point if you were the emperor, who can be investigated, but not night killed.
What does everyone else think about this?

I am Wedge Antilles, commander of Rogue Squadron. I am unnightklliable. And inter alia, I was in the battle of Hoth.

Basically, since I survived so many battles I survive night attacks.

As the commander I guess my ability is nightly rather than one shot as for the others.

This is what DP has said so far. The second quote doesn't make much sense, first of all. Making someone unnightkillable just because they survived a few battles is at least a little ridiculous. But what about the second sentence? As the commander of Rogue Squadron, he has a nightly unnightkillable ability as opposed to a one-shot for others. Does this mean that you know that all Rogue Squadron members have a one-shot unnightkillable ability? Or are you saying that all other member of the Rogue Squadron have some one-shot ability?
Finally, over all, this isn't an impressive amount of flavor. It is rather vague, so although it doesn't make him mafia automatically, this certainly could have been thought up on the spot.

I think DP is the best lynch today. The reason based on his role is because his claim doesn't fit with all the other pilot claims, including confirmed pilot flip from farside22 being a 1-shot, and I'm assuming the Han Solo 1-shot is because he is a pilot too. dana claims a pilot PR and also says it is 1-shot. If DP had claimed 1-shot bodyarmor that would have seemed more fitting with what we've seen from the setup.

This is not the right way to argue for his lynch based on his claim. He has said that he gets more than one shot because he is the leader, but that all the pilots get a one-shot ability. Fair enough. But look at Blaze. He didn't have a one-shot ability, he was just a VT. So DP saying this doesn't make sense because not all of the pilots got abilities at all.

That's some of the more recent points against DP. If you want earlier stuff, you'll have to find it yourself.

[danakillsu]

EBWOP: Some of MY more recent points against DP. If you want others' points, iso them.

[danakillsu]

- I have already said this but I do not see a scum DP claiming NK-kill immune. Why wouldn't he just claim a VT?

And I may have already said this, but he may know or be guessing that someone HAS tried to kill him and would come out with that info if he claimed VT. Therefore he had to claim unnightkillable and a pilot seemed to fit in. Just a guess, but it's a definite possibility unless someone can prove he wouldn't be notified that someone had attempted to kill him.

I think lynching one of the pilots is a better choice since we already have three confirmed town flips in the pilots (3/6) vs 1 flip in the officers (1/5).

So you want to lynch a pilot, but...

- Thus I'd be happy with lynching either of Slicey or LMP today.

Neither of these is a pilot! There's a huge disconnect here. If you want to lynch a person claiming pilot, then lynch DP or vezo.

[danakillsu]

I think painting me as ooba and Sog's scumpal is patently ridiculous. If anyone is confused about this, I did NOT claim to have switched myself with anyone, so that fits with what the mod said.

Here's a little setup speculation that may or may not be useful. The kill flavor that was used on Jabba clearly indicates Grand Moff Tarkin (the only man in the Empire who ever attempts to use torture). Since the Emperor simply has to be part of the Empire scumteam, there are at least two buddies of SOG out there. Jabba has a few possibilities of scumpals besides Greedo, but none that would absolutely have to be in this game, so I'd say there's probably one, but maybe none left on that team. Also, I'm here to answer questions, so if there are any I missed in my read, please let me know.

Hmm, that's interesting. He seems to be well aware that Grand Moff Tarkin is in the game and has a kill flavor of torturer/interrogator.

I think I'm at L-1. I'll claim, then support my claim, then answer post 919. I'm Biggs Darklighter, Alliance Pilot (One-Shot Busdriver). I was able to switch any two players any one night so that the night actions that target one player instead target the other. (The reason it's one shot is because the Alliance is low on fuel, or so I am told). Anyhow, I didn't need to breadcrumb because SoG accidentally did it for me. He has a lot of posts on the subject, but mainly his iso post 31. He said he did not TARGET THC last night. Why did he put it this way even though we know for a fact that he did kill THC? Because that night, I switched THC and farside. I think anyone who believes it's between me and d3x should see clearly that he should be the one lynched, since all he has is a VT claim with no support.
And about post 919, it seems a bit ridiculous that you want me to say again that I was wrong. I was saying you calling my vote a blatant bandwagon vote wasn't backed up very well. I now think it was backed up well, although not well enough for it to be true.

Here's his claim. I'll spend the next few quotes explaining my observations. I admit that I bought his claim at first. I only started getting suspicious of him later when his play seemed desperate scum to me. With the ooba flip I'm now almost sure he is scum.

I was thinking that Farside was just a VT, and so I thought it would be best if those who wanted THC (a mason) dead just killed Farside. Instead it ended up being the other way around. You might ask why I didn't switch THC with a scummy player, but I really had no scum candidates at the time.

Two possibilites.
1) The bounty didn't count as a night action.
2) The bounty was placed on farside, switched to THC, and then switched back because THC died.
I don't really know how this happened, of course. All I did was choose my targets. If I claimed to know exactly what went wrong, I'd be lying scum.

So he wants us to believe he 1-shot bus drivered THC and farside, which in and of itself made no sense as others pointed out. But even worse, when someone points out that the Jabba bounty should have been bus drivered too, he has to concoct some crazy "it wasn't a night action" story, and even more absurd is "or it switched but then because of the kill it switched back". WHAT!?!? That is laughable.

Oh yeah, and this. I have enough fuel to fly to a nearby planet and return but that's it. So I draw the conclusion that the idea is that I'm transporting a player from my planet to a nearby one and returning with a different player that was on that planet. Is that what you were looking for?

As others have pointed out there are significant flavor problems with this description. None of the other pilots have said anything about low fuel in their flavor as a reason for the 1-shot power. Others have also pointed out that Biggs is a fighter pilot, not a transport ship pilot. Other 1-shot pilot abilities have made sense (Wes Jansen roleblock because he fired tow cables, Leia because of the "cease-fire", and Han because... well he's Han). X-wing pilots transporting players makes no sense.

Look. I could have chosen another player, but they could very well have been someone better than farside, someone with an actual PR, which I was pretty sure farside didn't have. I thought I would be able to downgrade the mafia groups' choice of THC, a mason, to a VT.

This is stupid. Why wouldn't the other player be on the planet I'm flying to? That's just the idea behind my Night Action. It's not supposed to be something that would always happen in real life. That's the point of flavor. It's supposed to be coincidental. If you were to try to say that I screwed up my claim, this would not be a great way to try to prove it. This is just like asking why a busdriver is able to switch two players during the night.

Here he even illustrates some of the flavor problems with his claim, when we've seen incredibly good flavor fits for all the other PRs. Leia's mass RB, Wes Jansen's tow cable, Luke's investigates, Yoda's JOAT, Wedge's bulletproof, Vader's roleblocking, Jabba's bounties, Han's vig, Greedo's tracking... help me out if I've forgotten anything. All of these abilities are perfectly fitting to the characters. Biggs bus driver is not.

Sort of, but not really. I wasn't actually planning on farside dying, although as I said in my claim post, I did want her dead instead of THC, if it came down to it. The difference is that if the scum tried to roleblock or do some sort of investigation on THC to see if he actually was a mason, they wouldn't accomplish anything. Also, I guess I didn't know for 100% sure that farside was a townie, since I didn't necessarily trust the investigation result. What all this is saying is that I didn't pull the trigger on farside, or even attempt to. I just realized that if worst came to worst, I didn't want THC dead, and I knew for sure that someone else would be better dead than THC: farside. Is it at all unclear what I'm saying, because it's obvious when you understand what I did that it had a very good chance of helping the town a lot. But the best laid plans of mice and men...

Here he flounders around for some excuse to his obvious terrible claim that he bus drivered farside and THC. Also, he suggests that he wants to throw off scum investigators. Why on Night 1 would he have suspected scum investigators? Did we have any reason to know that a scum investigator would exist? We didn't see Greedo flip until day 2. Also, with claimed masons in the game why would the scum have even targeted farside to get swapped to THC? THC or wolf would have been a more natural target for an NK.

I'm glad you thought about this, but I can't tell you any more than I have. Do you guys all have really complex flavor PM's? (It's rhetorical, don't answer if you don't want to) I sure don't. I'm not going to just make up something that's not in my PM and have it shot down by whatever people who know Star Wars better than I do.

Here he tries to wave off the flavor problems by saying he doesn't have a complex flavor PM. Well, I'll say it, my flavor PM makes perfect sense. Kdub did an excellent job with PMs, and they have a good amount of flavor to them. I now believe dana messed up the flavor because the scum have fake name claims, but not full fake PMs. Look at the WreckStar and hp flavor claims and how terrible they were.

3) Darth Vader and I both had roleblocking/redirection abilities, so I don't really see another roleblocker anyway.

Jackpot! Why is this so incredible? Because there WAS ALREADY ANOTHER TOWN CONFIRMED RB in farside. Why does dana lump himself with Darth Vader in this post, but leave out farside? I believe this was a massive scum slip. I remember observing it at the time, but I didn't register it as scummy, just being forgetful. Only now, with the current evidence from the ooba flip did this click into place.

Add all of this together plus dana's incredible scummy play, and I suspect that dana is not Biggs Darklighter 1-shot bus driver. I suspect dana is some Jabba character that is a redirector. He redirected bv to an innocent townie (most likely back to bv himeself, or maybe wolf), and thus got an innocent result.

ISO dana's play please, pay particular attention to the day when he was the lynch discussion. He was so scummy that day it was ridiculous. Here are a few of the gems. The only thing that saved his ass was Blaze's lying. Also note that earlier in the game he tried to insinuate that bv310 could be scum, and only retracted that statement when we pointed out how scummy it was. Then later, when he does get investigated, he wraps himself in the cloak of investigation as a reason we can't be suspicious of him, even though he continues to be scummy.

I'd like to hear everyone else's thought on this, but I'm convinced.

Vote: danakillsu

Time to die scum.

A) Strangely enough, no one believed me at the time about GMT, despite my reasoning, but it WAS in fact a brilliant deduction rather than foreknowledge.
C) It doesn't say I'm flying an X-Wing. And the others didn't have something about fuel being their limitation, because none of their actions were directly related to fuel.
D) Wedge's BULLETPROOF? Seriously? Even if I was scum, I couldn't be sure he wasn't, and I didn't believe him. That shows how badly that fit.
And I didn't really think Yoda's JOAT fit either, as I stated at the time.
E) It's true that that looks a bit like floundering, but that was really only saying why I would do it if I KNEW both were town, which, of course, I didn't.
F) No, I said I didn't have a REALLY complex flavor PM. It was complex enough to tell me why I was limited to one shot, and yet you don't believe that that part can be true, even though it should supposedly be MORE complex. How selective of you.
G) wth are you talking about? farside was not a roleblocker. And what does ooba's flip have to do with this point? And how does it prove I'm scum if I was wrong about how many roleblockers there were?
Finally, I had become convinced long before being investigated by him that bv310 was town. So what DO you make of the investigation result. I believe your case on me is rather sloppy.

vote:d3x

[danakillsu]

Whoa. You're right. My bad. Well anyway, as I said, I fail to see how it makes me scum that I miscounted roleblockers.

[danakillsu]

This would be explained by dana redirecting bv every night, since he couldn't be sure what night he would get investigated.

That is a reasonable point.

Dana's play has been bugging me, and I'll be kicking myself if I keep letting it go and a mafia Dana wins as a result.

Vote: Dana

Not great reasoning. You want me dead because you couldn't live with yourself if I WAS scum. Wow.
Anyone who thinks that my speculation about GMT makes me scum is retarded. I'm not a noob. I wouldn't just say "HEY! THAT THERE'S <insert rolename of own scumpal> DOIN' THE KILLIN'" when there was no reason for me to do so.

-Because a supposedly uninformed townie "guessing" the CONFIRMED roles of two Mafia, the second of which is completely independent of source material, is so mind-bogglingly unlikely that it casts doubt on an "innocent" investigation.

This is news to me. So I guessed Darth Vader? And also, my guess of GMT was NOT indepenedent of source material.

-Because Jabba/Scum did not go after the confirmed cop, even though their GF is already dead.

Hold on. This makes me scum why?

[danakillsu]

Lynch and Kast have a lot of stuff wrong with their arguments.
Kast:
He says that I must be scum because I guessed GMT must be in the game. First of all, he completely ignores the glaring possibility that it actually was a correct guess, even if I HAD no logic supporting it, which I did. He also says GMT didn't torture anyone, which is untrue. He tortured Leia with an interrogation droid. But if he didn't ever torture anyone, then it undermines Lynch's assertion that flavor always fits with roles, which means that either way, only one of these arguments can be used against me.
He says that I must be scum because I said that Darth Vader was in the game and had a powerful night action. WELL DUH! Did anyone here think he wasn't in the game or was in the game and was a wimp??? Seriously!
@Kast
I understand this now.

This makes me scum why?

This supports the speculation that Jabba/Scum had some non-killing method to deal with BV's investigation. If they did not, then they should have been concerned with killing him.

I thought you were trying to say I was Empire scum, which would make anything about Scum scum useless.
Lynch:
Says that I must be scum because I compared myself to Vader. That's stupid, because I didn't. Just saying that we had/have similar roles doesn't mean I'm saying I'm like him. I could say farside and Darth Vader had similar roles. Does that make farside scum? Let's all shake our head no...
@Lynch
How do you know that I could make myself/others appear innocent if I was a scum redirector?

[danakillsu]

You are the one who associated your role with Vaders. If you were town your role would be much more comparable to farsides. Also, farside didn't just claim roleblocker, she RB'd SoG, which is the whole reason we knew he was scum. Your statement "Darth Vader and I both had roleblocking/redirection abilities, so I don't really see another roleblocker anyway. " looks like a scum slip to me. There was already 1 proven town role blocker, and Kthx has proved there was another. Also note how you say "redirection" here, not "bus driver" or "switching". You have massively scum slipped and you need lynching now.

I didn't compare myself to farside because I DIDN'T KNOW SHE WAS A ROLEBLOCKER, AS HAS BECOME OBVIOUS. Who else did I have to compare myself to other than Darth Vader? And just because I failed to type the word busdriver, and instead put myself in a redirection/roleblocking CATEGORY, I'm scum? In the quote you have, I mention not seeing another "roleblocker". So now are you going to say I called myself a roleblocker, too? I just didn't want to type "busdriver/roleblocking/redirection", but now you're forcing me to. That's stupid and really below the level you are capable of.
I'm going to go watch some video clips to make sure that I was right about GMT.

[danakillsu]

Well I watched the clip. GMT orders that Leia be taken to the interrogation room, and the droid tortures her. Darth Vader is there, and it appears as if he will be asking the questions, but it was definitely more GMT's torture operation than Darth Vader's. This is perhaps slightly sketchy, but definitely fits. And so I definitely had reason to believe (after seeing the sliced-in-half flavor) that GMT's flavor was the torture flavor. Got it?
@ Kthxbye
Please don't be influenced by Lynch and Kast. They have misguided logic, but defending against two people at once can be very difficult.
@ Lynch
I do find your faulty attacks against me slightly suspect, but you already know that I find d3x unbelievably scummy.

[danakillsu]

Also, you have no good defense for your scum slip of posting redirector other than "oh I just forgot" or "I didn't want to type out bus driver", so naturally that's the only defense you are going to use. I propose it wasn't forgetfulness, and it wasn't that you wanted to type redirector instead of bus driver, but that you genuinely scum slipped. You are a redirector and not a bus driver.

Can you explain again for everyone here why you bus drivered farside and THC? Why wouldn't you bus driver THC with someone who was actually useless to the town, thus reducing the possibility of a scum actually targeting your choice, and better protecting THC, or even possibly causing a scum cross kill. Why did you swap THC with someone you admit you had a town read on? Why chose THC and not wolf, who saved THC by confirming their mason status?

Well of course you would assume this. But you can't use your assumptions to prove I'm scum. You can't prove that I somehow "scumslipped" by putting myself in a redirector/roleblocker category, which I AM in.

No. You may read my previous explanation. I believed that one of them was probably scum, since they had both come under some sort of suspicion, and been saved by a confirmation, farside before the suspicion, THC after the suspicion, but that it was unlikely both were. However, I did explain how if I knew both were town, it might have benefited town to switch them anyway. And finally, why not? I had to choose one of them. Why did it need to be wolf?

[danakillsu]

I don't think d3x's hammer counts, but even if it does, I realize that I'm going to be lynched, so I'll just tell you the truth. I am Bib Fortuna, Scum Redirector. I DID watch the REAL movie and saw GMT order Leia taken to the torture room, so I know that Kast is wrong. However, I HAD NO INSIDE INFORMATION OR SPECIAL REASON TO BELIEVE WHAT I SAID ABOUT DARTH VADER AND GMT!!! It was all pure conjecture on my part, and I find it strange that I was right, and yet got lynched. But such is mafia. I think it was obvious to everyone as I said before that Darth Vader would have a powerful Night Action. No one would NOT give him a powerful night action. And if an interrogation droid was not in the setup (and I could not believe there was), there was no one better for that flavor than GMT, so that's how I guessed that. I did manage to fake my own innocence by redirecting bv310 to Kast, and would have had an investigation result on d3x if bv310 hadn't been killed, since I redirected him to d3x. I killed ooba on gut, nothing more. I will see if I can get a case on d3x posted before nightfall, because I believe town deserves this game, despite their blundering.

[danakillsu]

And btw, I actually did think DP was scum.

[danakillsu]

Sorry, I don't have time. Just look at d3x, Lynch, and Slicey yourselves. One of them is who you're looking for.

[danakillsu]

As I would have told everyone, it was moronic to go after vezok after d3x turned out to somehow not be scum. As I said somewhere else, I believe, town deserved to win this game for most of their play. But now I would add to that that they did make one major mistake (vezok, of course). GG all!!!! For the first time I sincerely believed that.
@mod
Thanks for an awesome game. I believe your setup put my team at a disadvantage, but it was such a cool game that I didn't even care.

[danakillsu]

@Sajin
Thanks for your explanation. However, I do feel some comments need to be made. Our redirection/tracking fully confirmed that semioldguy was scum in a way NOTHING ELSE would have. If I had redirected him to THC and THC had died, it still could have been for some other reason. But we knew immediately that semioldguy was the one who did it, and therefore that unless he claimed vig when pressured, he was scum. Also, in this setup (I should know), redirector is slightly better than roleblocker, but there were many cases I would have rather had the latter. Redirecting bv310 to someone guilty might have meant that he would find me guilty, which would make the ability useless. Therefore I would rather have been able to just roleblock the cop. Roleblocking him also would have made it easier to kill him by taking away his 1-shot self-protect. So I don't think it's fair to say I had the best ability by far. And we had the worst ability and tied for the second-worst as well. This is why I find the setup somewhat unbalanced between the two scumteams. I understand your line of thinking, but from the standpoint of someone having to play as "the most powerful" scum member, it really didn't seem as easy as you are saying to win. Thanks again, though for your review of the setup. It certainly was fun.

[danakillsu]

@Faraday
How would you claim what you really were succesfully as a Tracker? Wreck Star couldn't manage that at all. We were given specific nameclaims, and Tracker didn't really fit into them. And at any rate, I don't think that's really enough to say tracker was better than an alliance cop.