Pledge of Allegiance (Game Over! Page 76)

[UncertainKitten]

Well, I'm shooting you, and shot DDDD last night.

Was DDDD scum? I'm guessing not, since I'm pretty sure you all piled on charter to force that through.

[UncertainKitten]

You might as well claim if you've won. You've already outted yourself as scum, so I'm forced to shoot you as the "sure bet"

Town can't lynch anyone, even with me helping them. And I would.

I COULD hypothetically try to help you lynch town, but that wouldn't work very well, now would it, and still force your victory.

Let me just say this now

Zoraster, if there is absolutely no way for my faction or the town faction to win this game, I will resign and take my factions loss. This is barring scum voting themselves when they control 50% of the vote.

[UncertainKitten]

Clarification of the above: I mean, if a scum win is unavoidable (with the exception of them voting themselves controlling 50% of the vote), then I resign

I'm fine if town can win even if I can't. I'm VERY fine with me winning :V.

[UncertainKitten]

Yeah, prolly be good.

I honestly didn't think I'd win with an "unknown miller" claim anyway. Wish I thought of framers before that, honestly. Also wish that charter hadn't been so hasty to try to get me killed when mafia were around.

[UncertainKitten]

Yep. I was basically killing with the intent of being accepted as a vig. If it seemed like I was getting too much scum, I'd try to have a few mishaps and miss.

But yeah, a framer claim would have worked AMAZINGLY well after two scum guys went down trying to get me lynched.

Well, better then "derp derp I hate zora he made me secret millar :V"

[UncertainKitten]

# Debonair Danny DiPietro: Vanilla (Could be scum or town)
# Gammagooey: SCUM
# StrangerCoug: Neighborizor (Proven, could be scum)
# popsofctown: Vanilla Townie, Country Music Superstar (Prob town, given Gamma's speech)
# RedCoyote: FBI tracker (Unconfirmed Role)
# UncertainKitten: Serial Killer with Inquisitive Tendencies (confirmed)

Honestly, given the claims, there is no way for town or me to win this. Further, I'm pretty sure scum is RC, Gamma, and DDD.

Well, I suppose it could be SC but I really wanna believe he's town.

[UncertainKitten]

Ah, cool.

So, now that the game's over, can someone PLEASE explain to me why claiming vig as SK is stupid, at least in a set up that will have non standard town:scum:other numbers?

[UncertainKitten]

The only reason it was dumb is because it let us jail you continously and basically force a win that way. Massclaim actually screwed the town over pretty hard (well that and not lynching Zorblag)

Right, but it sounds like mafia theory in GENERAL says it's dumb. Whereas I don't see the issue if you can bring it off. What ELSE are you supposed to claim? Especially when it's obvious no other vig is going to come forward?

@Zora: Ok, so, do you think the game would have ended differently if my Plum kill had gone through as planned? And why did my Zor kill miss?

[UncertainKitten]

Ok, well, yeah, those reasons are good, but a vig would, for the most part, be apparent by the time I claimed. The Book of Scumhunting™ seems stupid. I did admirably DESPITE investigations, I think.

[UncertainKitten]

EBWOP: So, basically, in this set up, claiming vig wasn't as stupid as it could be, and people saying it was were basically parroting "CAUSE IT'S MAFIER THEORY :V!"

[UncertainKitten]

Also hilarious: I shot every one of the scum team at least once.

Except DGB, but I got her lynched. I think I even took a shot at Chrono...or did I change that action?

[UncertainKitten]

Eh, I knew it would be uphill, but I'm mildly irritated at the concentration of investigative roles. However, part of that was the bad luck of having both universal back ups get Other cop. I also think that the Plum error lowered my chances considerably.

[UncertainKitten]

And nah, honestly, I was considering town, but went for other because I wondered if I could get away with Inquisitor again.

And yeah, I wouldn't claim vig if I didn't think I could get away with it. I do think that this is proof that you can't just have an inflexible playbook and ALWAYS FOLLOW THESE RULES >=[!

This'll be WIFOM, but I'm likely to pick town in any future pick alignment set ups. I got outraged at some of the silliness surrounding my supposed SKness. DGB's arguments were just dumb.

[UncertainKitten]

UK-I actually think the game would have gone pretty similarly assuming we still did the massclaim d3 and started jailing you from there on, except charter would probably have gotten lynched for claiming "motive cop" that doesn't actually look at motives a lot sooner since Plum wouldn't be there to back him up.

But without charter and plum, I'd still be coasting on vig claim, and RedCoyote would have at least been lynched. It would also have been possible for us to catch you and Danny, IMO.

Honestly, it would have been most important to catch Danny.

Also, a lot of claims came from the confusion regarding my shot, so massclaim may not have been followed through on. But, what ifs don't win games, so yeah.

[UncertainKitten]

Yeah, the point grabbers seemed very similar to LotA Outsiders though, but different enough to be cool again.

And yeah, there was a reason I shot DDDD D5 . So, at least I was figuring the scum, just too late

I didn't change my shot, did I Zora? I might have and can't take credit anymore :V.

[UncertainKitten]

That assumes Zorblag found the other others, since massclaim may not have occured. But at this point we are changing so many things that it's a whole different game.

[UncertainKitten]

Honestly, I should have shot Gamma N1. As a "town vig" with NK Immunity, I should have seen what would happen, and would have gotten him in my neighborhood, which in turn would have meant I could get him lynched by claiming vig neighborizer with one shot bulletproof. At that point I'd add other miller to my claim, and probably be all outraged about it.

Man, that'd have been AWESOME.

[UncertainKitten]

Reading it, since it says I had to be intentionally killed, it wouldn't have worked the way I thought if you were REALLY a PGO. But still would have been the greatest fakeclaim Setup I ever did :V.

[UncertainKitten]

/me reads scum QT

Yep, that was really fucking stupid DGB. Seriously? You think I was SK because I said "night vig", when I would have said that NO MATTER WHAT ALIGNMENT I HAD if I had a kill like that.

[UncertainKitten]

I do agree. No one expects a PGO fakeclaim because it's "so obvious"

[UncertainKitten]

@zor: Not nom worthy. It's clever, but it's not creative. I only really would consider best fakeclaim for a CREATIVE, clever fakeclaim.

But I'm apparently in the minority on that.

I did screw up by not claiming SK with charter, but I was actually pretty sure he was scum pushing that last mislynch. Unfortunately, I was only half right. When I saw the tide going against charter I should have claimed because it was "too easy"

[UncertainKitten]

Oh, zora: Theoretically if you didn't want alignment changes, you could have set it up so I could only convert others. And possibly have them be protected from my kills, so it would be a situation where Zorb and I were competing for targetting the others for different purposes. He could shoot all of them at once, but I could recruit one at a time.

Might have been cool.

[UncertainKitten]

Yep, that was really fucking stupid DGB.

You don't have to be rude.

Especially since I was correct.

For the wrong reasons, and that's what bugs the hell out of me.

However, the rudeness was unnecessary, I apologize.

Looking back on that that was completely unnecessary bitchiness. I even bested you and avoided getting lynched for your wild accusations.

...I really don't know what's gotten into me lately...

Seriously, I should just say this now. To everyone I was an utter bitch to this game, I'm sorry. I'm sure it was relatively unnecessary, and I really have no excuse for it.

[UncertainKitten]

Cops are overpowered. Town power was just fine IMO. Well...actually, it probably could have been a little higher, but a COP would have been a very stupid way to do it. That'd basically be "hurf durf let's hinge towns win on one role :V"

Course, with the way the other cops played out I personally would have preferred investigation immunity, as Zora said, given the fact I ended up having to try and dodge three cops of some flavor. And failing that convince town that those cops were scum. Too bad that stopped working after Chrono :V.