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The non hostile cult thing from Jack bothers me greatly.

But I am compelled by law and meta to

##Vote: Zoraster

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@VP: Your meta sucks. I'm on record SEVERAL TIMES as saying I prefer town to scum since scum is too stressful. Other is even MORE stressful. Just because I managed to BARELY bring off TRADTiMM doesn't mean I enjoyed the process. That was a pain in the ass.

That said, I AM very proud of that victory.

But either way, I have a lot of stress in my life right now. I'm not going to add more by choosing scum or other unless it's a REALLY EASY other, which I doubt I'd get.

@Jack: Why would you waste a post pointing out something as obvious as that? Further, you don't even answer why you assumed other was cult...

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@VP: um...everyone saw the playerlist before picking alignment. Zoraster LINKS you to it in the choose your side PM

I don't understand why you even said that.

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@Jack: No, and that's a very odd thing to say in response to that.

I'm merely stating that mafia is a game of reads and rereads. Every post you make that contains very little game relevant content is purely noise. Noise makes it harder to determine alignment.

It is mildly hypocritical for me to bring this up though, since I have a notoriously high signal:noise ratio, but I do recognize that too much noise is bad, so I've been trying to cut down.

Basically, the point is that that post accomplished very little in what seems to be a situation where there were at least some serious things to reply to. I probably wouldn't care as much if it were truly RVS but it seems we are jumping right into the game (not a bad thing IMO).

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@Jack: I disagree that it was very ironic, since what I said was relevant to the discussion.

@DGB: unless Llama has drastically changed in the past few months (not unlikely, but still not something I'd count on), he definitely prefers vanilla town. Of course, that does set him up for lol scum WIFOM, but yeah.

@VP: Not on hand. And I'm more disinterested as VANILLA town, but I love having a role as town. Particularly vig .

As I said, scum is too stressful.

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Oh my god the fucking quote stripes WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

That said:

@VP: Nah, I trust Zora and Vi to give me something cool. Honestly, given how much more power any given power role has for mafia, I'd honestly expect myself to be less likely to draw a PR as mafia. Not sure about other since it's a crap shoot to determine who would willingly give themselves a hard wincon.

Anyway, your minor rolefish is noted.

@Parama: Really? Why would you give up like that? Seriously?

@VP: I don't like your posting, and am ready to vote you given how pliable you been for basically any wagon that's occured. But Parama isn't doing too hot either. Jack also is of note.

@Para: seriously? Are you just going to OMGUS everyone on your wagon?

@VP: hi rolefishing.

@VP: hi misrep

@xvart: Nice. There are so many reasons that's a terrible post, at least regarding DGB and Ellibereth. Are you even TRYING to find scum? I shall await their response to the accusation though.

@Parama: Wow, that was terrible, you totally just made xvart's argument almost work.

Ok, seriously, at this point:

##Unvote

##Vote: VPBaltar

##FoS: xvart

##FoS: Parama

##FoS: Jack

@Troll: Get to the point. Your first two paragraphs suck. The rest of your post is good though. And hey, no quote stripes. I think I'll get along with you.

@Cobalt: This again? I mean, even vague reasoning would be cool.

Sorry, this is slightly wally. I'll provide links for my @'s where necessary if requested.

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@Troll: I did mean the first two, though the hello was more because it was a whole paragraph rather than a simple hello, and could be seen as trying to build rapport to make you less likely to be lynched. So it's suspect. The second paragraph is "pro-town" fluff that scum can use to look good, much like rapport building, without actually doing anything. The rest, however, does quell that instinct. Regardless, I have an eye on you.

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Heehee, I see that your only response is to counter OMGUS me. How...stereotypically scummy.

Let's see, you've made terrible meta posts that don't contribute anything, rolefished a couple times, though only mildly, and then finally misrepresented Parama I believe. (I should probably start linking in catch up posts myself to remember what I saw. I did recall a misrep though).

Para has VI juice pouring out of his eyes, with a couple scummy traits, hence my FoS.

Either way, you, quite frankly, reek of trying to fake it til you make it. And it's failing, terribly. So, that's my vote ^-^.

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It probably will help to know all of these are me reading from my previous post in this game.

@VP: Mostly in addition to your other scumminess. It's mostly related to the Big Bad meta comment right after another rolefish. Seriously?

I consider your first post little more than random, since it was just that silly.

@LF: Oh, I'm not saying being a VI is scummy, just that he's mixed in a couple scummy acts in his VI play.

@VP:

Contradiction of my own tells? What land are YOU coming from?

@xvart: Ahahahahahaha, nice try. I want them to respond first.

@RedCayote: Of course you realize admitting you prefer scum puts you under higher scrutiny. I'm considering it a null tell, but enough to keep my eye on you.

Where do you get your numbers for "half of them are scum"?

And to be fair, I hate playing the quote stripe game but I'm more interested in finding scum than arguing for pages about how you make my eyes bleed. Though it took me a couple games to realize this ^-^;

@Oja: Oh God Ojanen likes quote stripe bullshit as well ?
That said, I agree with what you said about xvart, but still want Elli and DGB to answer.
How you miss the fact that VP is faking it is beyond me.

@imaginality: That's nice. Why is it town v. town?
I do agree that Jack STILL needs to answer the non-hostile cult question.

@Parama: Ok, and as for the OMGUS you said that everyone on your wagon likes being not town or something to that effect. I can't be arsed to quote you exactly. That's what I was referring to.

And what will you do if I call you a VI again? I merely call them as I see them, and you are so all over the place it's not even funny.

Oddly enough, that raises your liklihood of being town.

@DGB: He's long winded but had a couple of good points in his wall IMO. But, I'll let Troll cover his own defense.

@VP: really? xvart and VP are wagons? I see very few votes on either. So we have Parama and Jack. Are you telling me that none of these are scummy?

@DGB: I'm interested in this

@DGB: Good response.

Yay catch up wall. Hopefully the sparse entertainment helped.

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@DGB: Yeah, but unfortunately, all the hammer does in SotN is un petrify you. Whereas in mafia you should be...petrified in fear at the hammer :V

Anyway, I'll be honest, you're pretty trustworthy...when you're town. Before I blindly follow you'd I'd both have to see what makes Troll scummy (which may involve ISOing him later), and also determine you to be town.

So, while I want to believe you, currently I'm trusting my own cases more.

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@xvart: Not gonna fly. I'll tell you once they respond. It's still pretty terrible but terrible can be justified sometimes.

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Ooh, good llama, you see just about everything

I

see on xvart. But VP is p. bad too.

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@Nico: Llama is pretty obvtown. Xvart is pretty obvscum, but VP is as well, and someone needs to keep on VP if he's ever to be lynched.

Also lol "feels off"

Plan on at least ATTEMPTING to justify that?

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Lovely, Nico.

Wellp, hope you give me something to actually respond to in the future.

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@Nico: Funny, I could think of several townie roles that could give you exact numbers, and given the format of this game, I get the impression that at least one would exist.

Also, how in the hell is she accusing him of too town to be town? You may answer after Troll has responded so as not to give him a free defense.

Not much else to say, DGB's case is pretty decent, wanna see Troll respond to it.

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IIoA is actually a pretty reliable tell and I can see most instances of it she highlights.

But I also note it was his first post, during the miasma between RVS and non RVS.

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It seems like the xvart wagon is a lot more likely to happen. I'm pretty cool with this actually.

##Unvote
##Vote: xvart

Why do you think Jack is town, farside?

I don't think he's town but I don't think he's scum, so he's a secondary lynch.

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@VP: Thanks for proving you're just a dick ^-^.

I reserve the right to ignore every post you make from now on until you get an attitude adjustment and also learn how to post in a readable format.

And also don't spend half a post on completely irrelevant shit.

Oh, right, and you've still never explained how I violated my own tell and decided to woohoo ignore the evidence I had against your fucking idiotic accusation.

Die.

I'll find a way to make sure you die. You most certainly deserve it.

Not much else to respond to,

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Hi, why is there a Phate counterwagon to xvart scum? This is very telling ^-^.

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@VP: Oh, I'm sorry. You've never ADEQUATELY explained it. Since, you know, you've been

completely fucking wrong

.

Already explained it. Since you are planning to ignore things that don't fit your version of events, I'm not going to waste any breath on you.

Just die.

@xvart: Yeah, multiple wagons are actually pretty good. Just pointing out that it's very convenient there's a counterwagon forming when there was a healthy wagon on someone I thought of as scum.

At this point I'm going to mention that pops first (or was it second?) post gave me huge scum vibes, but I have no idea what they are from. It was more like, I read it, and there was like a big red SCUM sign flashing in my head. I'd have to reread his posts before I followed that line of thought further though.

@Nico: I only get profane when someone is being completely fucking stupid and impossibly bad at being town, or even looking like it, while attacking me with the shittiest logic I have ever had the misfortune of seeing. tl;dr incompetence pisses me off.

@Red Cayote: I'd say lurkers are slightly more likely to be scum, but not to the point that it becomes a 50% chance. As for the quote stripe comment, it was a general comment on "I hate a certain type of playstyle, but lynching based purely on that is not a good idea".

What the hell?
Why is Phate posting a defense of Troll? What the fuck?

Oh, I think I know and it makes me SERIOUSLY want to vote Phate.

His explanation falls flat. I think he's trying to discredit the person that started the wagon on him. Still...I like xvart scum :S...

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@VP: You quoted it yourself. The indignation isn't fake, you are just playing that terribly and like a moron, and it's pissing me off.

Honestly, I'm mostly being a truculent jackass about this because I flat dislike you at the moment.

As for why your explanation is inadequate, it's explained in my explanation.

For the record, you claimed my explanation was inaccurate or something earlier when...it wasn't. But whatever.

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@Oja/VP: Hmmph.

Either way, I did answer it. I'll find the quote but it was basically the one to the effect of "Um, two of those weren't even wagons at the time, wtf are you talking about?"

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@VP: really? xvart and VP are wagons? I see very few votes on either. So we have Parama and Jack. Are you telling me that none of these are scummy?

Pretty much answers how I don't feel it's hypocrisy at all.

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Actually, they were original thoughts from where I was catching up. They might not have APPEARED to be because people might have caught the relevant points as I was making them when I was, you know, catching up.

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Honestly, Fishy's reaction sounds like something Fishy would do. I understand that discrediting the tell is generally bad but...this doesn't feel like scum Fishy in situations I've played with him.

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Sorry VP...hope things get better :S.

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@Fishy: Thought I had. I was more alluding to "You seem like town fishy" though.

@llama: huh?

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@llama: I can see where clarification is nice.

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TRADTiMM is a Tar game where I was an inquisitor and the town and scum were stupid.

Why is xvart scummy, Coug?

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I think it was Tar's Random Anime Double Trouble ? ? Madness

Anyway, thank you for the answer, it wasn't apparent in your wall and it seemed to be a more hate vote as opposed to scum vote.

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That's a really subjective clear. I'd give him slight town points, but not a lot. Either way, xvart is scummier. More votes on xvart pl0x.

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Why didn't you claim that at the start of D1, Gamma? (or your first post)

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NO ONE POST.

There's a townie that is a dead night target, but the scum don't know it's a bad target.

Scum have, say, 2/3s of the town to target with night actions, so 1 invalid target gives them a pretty good shot of messing up and hitting whoever was modkilled.

Town have the entire town to target, so they have less chance of accidentally hitting a modkilled player with their actions and thereby doing nothing.

Plus I think town have fewer actions anyway. Townie town seems townie tbh.


Obviously I'm making an exception for myself so I can transmit this idea. Plus I'm a claimed VT with lots of suspicion so I have no chance of getting shot by scum, ever. Blegh.

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@Gamma: Because PGO is one of those early claim things. What if you had been wagoned?

Either way, I was hoping to get a better answer. Ah well, at least it wasn't a scummy one.

@Elli: That's indeed interesting, though Parama did have a bad start. I don't really have any dispute with those three names since only Fishy has struck me as possibly town. farside has been underwhelming, but I couldn't put my finger on it without an ISO, and I have no read on imaginality.

And yeah, RC does kinda look bad, though admittedly I skimmed half his posts since he doesn't seem to understand how to use links, or you know, post succinctly at all. Probably will vote him after this wall unless I see something silly.

@Chronopie: Hey look, I saw something silly ^-^. OMGUS without providing any content is really cool, yanno?

@Chronopie: Then why are you voting Llama?

##FoS: Chronopie
##Vote Fishy

@Chronopie: Why did you wait until after the wagon partially started to vote Fishy?

@pops: Yeah, I got that after the fact.

@Llama/Jack debate: Llama's right. Survivors effectively count as scum in lylo. As do jesters. Non hostile rarely helps the town.

@Nico:

##FoS: Nico

@RC: Do you think that taking Fishy to L-3 was a good idea in that post? I know you're the other wagon but you could at least give a warning. Also, who said you were Fishy's partner?

@RC: Where did Jack rolefish Chrono? Either way, still curious why you put Fishy to L-3.

@Llama: That's not a breadcrumb. That's a friggen' softclaim.

@RC: Least you caught Nico's rolefish.

@Fishy: You're an outsider? Really? I want you to die before endgame. But I think we can give you a little more time for the time being.

Also,

##Unvote, Vote Nicodemus

Hi, rolefishing sucks.

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@Zorblag: See: outsiders in Legacy of the Ancients mafia, large theme by Tar.

Fishy's role sounds almost EXACTLY like that.

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I'd say that is a very convincing tracker result.

However, I think Fishy is either at L-2 or L-3 at this point. So no more votes until we resolve this.

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Caught up, not much to respond to. I kinda wanna lynch fishy, but I could also see where keeping him alive could be helpful. Quite frankly, the Fishy wagon was REALLY easy for scum to jump onto, and I fully expect to see the majority of the scum team on it. I think I might want to ISO those who jumped on it at first. But I have a lot to do, so I'll hopefully get to this today or tomorrow.

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I disagree, DGB. Though you have a point about the others. But I think that scum who were around would be like "Oh hey, someone who's not us is being called guilty, let's jump! Everyone will think we're ok fellas and not actually look at this wagon because everyone will be on it soon enough "

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Plum is prob town, Nico needs to die, SC needs to realize that farside vs. llama wasn't alignment related except for the debate on Fishy's alignment. I'm pretty sure they aren't accusing each other, and in fact farside's...reaction to llama indicates she thinks him stupid town.

So, that brings me to my point. Why bother pointing out it's "town vs. town"?

##FoS: StrangerCoug

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@SC: Sorry, not gonna cut it. FoS stands.

The power of DGB is compelling, and I'm not gonna get a Nico lynch, am I?

Waiting for a VC before I vote.

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I don't think your reasoning fits with what you said. Again, how does fishy alignment have anything to do with farside/llama, outside of them arguing it? It was pretty obvious they weren't attacking each other in the sense they thought each other to be scum. Basically, your statement reads like "Hey, saying something is town v. town gets me town cred", but you screwed it up.

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Note that xvart is specifically "Speaker of the house

part of

the legislature". Indicating that he is part of a faction.

I would almost guarantee that mafia are either trying to ride this "lynch non-hostiles" horse as far as they can, or lurking like d3x to see how it turns out.

DING DING DING!

And guess who's pushing that really, REALLY, hard right now?

Oh

YEAH

, Red Coyote! HOW DISTURBING!



Oh Hai RC, why did you vote Jack again?

@SC: Well, yeah, you have to say that now, or else you admit you're scum .

@farside: If he DOESN'T visit the PGO, he gets lynched, now doesn't he?
His credibility is lower than gamma's.

Ah, cool, Troll is at L-5

##Unvote, ##Vote Troll

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Hmm...what to do about Fishy now...his post came right before I posted mine...

If he

is

a non hostile other I feel we'd be wasting a lynch when we have SO MANY other better targets that might actually be hostile to us...

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A scum tracker WOULD be something Vi would do. And any lynch that's not mafia is a mislynch FOR the mafia.

Fun theory.

But, anyway, Nico, your last post does nothing to assuage the fact you are scum and since it FINALLY appears a wagon on you is starting, despite my failed efforts in the past to get you lynched,

##Unvote, Vote Nico

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@SC: Elaborate on why farside is scummy. Explain how her actions benefit scum.

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I'm not asking why I think farside could potentially be scum, I'm asking why SC thinks she could potentially be scum, and I'd prefer NOT to have answers handed to my suspects so I can get original thought out of them, k thanks.

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Oh dammit Jack recruited SC in his no hostile cult .

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Oh dammit Jack recruited SC in his no hostile cult .

Recruitment gives us the ability to talk publicly in the thread.

WHAT A FIENDISHLY POWERFUL ABILITY! SO SUBTLE, YET SO GAME BREAKING!

@RC: So...Fishy claims non hostile other...but you think Jack is...what?

Further...is there a...case or something similar on Jack?

But yeah, overall, how if Fishy's claim more anti town than whatever Jack is.

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@farside: Woah awesome defensiveness there.
Second post questioning DGB is marginally better though.

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That's a nice justification but doesn't really help me determine your alignment. So, please excuse me for not excusing your actions which are borderline scummy.

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That's a nice justification but doesn't really help me determine your alignment. So, please excuse me for not excusing your actions which are borderline scummy.

Then answer the question in 907 that DGB ignored

Huh? Why should I? My stance is pretty clear I think. Nico is flat scummier than Fishy. And I don't know YOUR motivations, but

I

plan to catch

mafia

, not third party monkeys.

@SC: What about meta supported policy lynches?

Also, Jack was pretty clearly joking since the intent had already been revealed.

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I beg to differ on farside22, but I can hop on an SK lynch. That needs to go early.

##MFoS: SC

How intriguing that you prefer an

SK

lynch to a scum lynch.

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@llama: Why again? He's already done a few more likely to be scum motivated things.

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Has Nico even posted since this wagon sprung up on him?

SUSPICIOUS I THINK~!

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@RC: I have? Wait what? Where? Huh? Please, explain yourself? I don't believe I ever said anything about voting other non hostiles. What game are you reading?

Secondly, where did I

ever

say Fishy was being completely truthful? I think my stance is that he's not a good lynch when we COULD BE LYNCHING OBVIOUS MAFIOSI!

So, yeah, two times misrep? What the fuck?

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You stuck a worm on your tongue, farside?

At any rate, has anything new come out of the Fishy/farside fight? I mostly skimmed it and detected ridiculous amounts of wasted posts. Just curious if my impression was right?

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I don't understand why no one has considered the possibility of RC being targetted both by a roleblocker and Fishy being redirected.

Or maybe you have and I missed it, idk.

Further, if fishy is lying for some reason, and did roleblock RC, I honestly wouldn't blame him for blocking him. RC was pretty well slated to be lynched today IIRC.

I don't trust fishy. But I do believe he is an other. I just don't know if it's hostile or not. Overall, I don't think he's worth a lynch when we have obv scum Nico lurking the fuck out of this game and possible SK Zorblag trying to talk things through. Honestly I haven't really been following the Zorb case as closely. Nico needs to die.

I expect Fishy will be dealt with eventually. I think neutralizing the mafia is the top goal.

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Oh right, most importantly...

TUNNELING ON FISHY WILL NOT CATCH SCUM!

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Right. Isn't that what I just said?

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Oh right, most importantly...

TUNNELING ON FISHY WILL NOT CATCH SCUM!

But if you are a member of say, the legislature, and fishy is in the judiciary, who else would you vote for? I wonder what farside said about xvart.

Why the legislature? Very interesting choice.

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@Chronopie: We know that there is a Legislature, Judiciary, and Executive faction. Why did he pick Legislature instead of one of the others?

Hence my "hmmm"

Add this to his non hostile cult claim.

Again, HMMM~!

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Congratulations on the IIoA d3x. Any plans on actually telling us who's scum?

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No. Just no.

It is IIoA if you do absolutely no analysis and just summarize random posts.

Hey, I think I saw a post JUST LIKE THAT from you :O!

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UnVote
##Vote:Fishythefish

You've been arguing that you're not Town, but not AntiTown. I say that your stance here

is

AntiTown. An SK is a direct threat to the Town and thus you're putting your own point scoring agenda above the best interests of the Town.

And SK hunting is better than mafia lynching WHY?

##FoS: d3x

Nico is a better lynch, but if you INSIST on lynching Troll, I'll contribute to the wagon if it stalls.

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Please, you're missing the overarching theme where I outright claim third party and win anyway .

Think I've done it four times now ^-^;.

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To be fair, ani is referring to the recent bout of my best play quite literally being getting lynched, and going on to win the games basically because I got lynched.

The irony of my sig quote was not appreciated until now.

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@RC: Nico is pretty fucking obvious mafia.

I don't think Fishy is lying about points, just that he's not telling the whole truth.

As for speculating on mafiosi claiming non hostile, wellllllllllllllll...

We'll deal with that when the time comes.

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@DGB: Didn't he "flake" AFTER the wagon started? In fact, didn't someone say he was POSTING ELSEWHERE?

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hmm, but when did that wagon start? It didn't start on the 19.

Who cares when it got started. He's not going to show up and claim, he's probably going to need replacing.

Who even remembers what he posted? When he made his last post, only UKitten was voting him. This is some weird wagon. Who's on this wagon? Who's pushing it? You know, I'm beginning to think, maybe Troll is scum or other, and his team mates are pushing an alternate wagon? The whole wagon makes no sense at all.

Using msutils, he completely stopped posting anywhere on the 14.

Then

Mod: Please replace Nicodemus

I really don't understand why you are IGNORING Nico's rolefishing. So, let me see, you seem to think that Troll's hypothetical team mates are countering his wagon. I would like to post the EXACT SAME THEORY regarding Nico. DOUBLY SO if Troll flips SK. Nico is scum. Troll may or may not be. But, as I said, he's been sufficiently unimpressive so I half support his wagon.

@ani: Wait...so somehow DGB is a point grabber just cause she called you one. FUCKING BRILLIANT OLD CHAP :O!

@Fishy: Nah, there's more support for Jack cult leader than Troll SK, actually.

@Ellibereth: Yeah, why isn't Nico and or Troll dead?

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Oh

Prod: Nicodemus

5. Prod/Replacement Policy: Players may ask for prods by typing Prod: <name>. The mod reserves the right to prod at his initiation. Prods should be acted on promptly or will risk replacement.

Hey guys, let's try ACTUALLY USING THIS.

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Oh, ani's reaction indicates to me he's scared, DGB.

At any rate, funny thing is, I HAVE seen scum rolefish, and it was hilarious.

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Some games don't have docs. In fact, I don't see these magical docs very often. Further, I agree it's pretty stupid to get caught doing. Does Nico strike you as a particularly good player?

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I'm including jailkeeps in there.

I want to wagon MAFIA. It's not that I'm opposed to the Troll wagon, I'm opposed to

no one looking in ANY OTHER DIRECTION

. Everyone is just derping a vote on Troll of Fishy without really talking about ANY other players. Please excuse me for trying to actually get people's brains turned ON.

I think a mafia lynch is better than an SK lynch. Why? SK kills have a chance of hitting mafia. Mafia kills sure don't have that chance, now do they?

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Mafia directly guns for townies in most cases. And even if they DO go SK hunting, there are assumably more mafia aligned people than the SK would have aligned with him. I.e., the SK dies, and the kill goes away. The kill that COULD be killing scum. You kill a mafiate, their SK killing potential doesn't go down. SK has to balance between gunning for townies and mafia. As you start to lynch mafia, they will try to shoot townies. As you lynch more townies, they will try to shoot mafia.

So far we haven't had much luck lynching mafia, now have we?

Oh, that and the fact that SK's tend to be partially bulletproof, and could soak a mafia kill.

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Oh, that and the fact that SK's tend to be partially bulletproof, and could soak a mafia kill.

HOW IS THAT GOOD FOR US????

Um...last I checked the LESS KILLS MAFIA GET THE BETTER.

EVERY KILL MAFIA FAILS IS A KILL THAT'S NOT KILLING A TOWNIE.

ARE YOU FUCKING STUPID TO NOT REALIZE THIS!?

I CAN USE CAPITAL LETTERS LIKE A PRO!
SOCIOPATH TAUGHT ME!

That means the SK's kill still goes through...

Which, I believe I just argued, has a chance of NOT going through a townie's chest, and a higher one than a mafia kill. I am of the opinion that, earlier in the game, MORE KILLS IS BETTER :O!

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@Fishy: My theory is he's a point grabber for cult.

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Mostly you were trying to figure out the source of his information since there are SEVERAL investigative roles that could get a not town result, and some of them are more threatening than others.

The lol rolefish was pretty damn terrible.

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@Troll: That also brings up the fact that I'm not

sure

you are a Serial Killer. But I think this is just a theory disagreement. Dropping the numbers fast and early is how I think it is optimal to play a large, but to slow down when you get into the lower teens. It means you have to scumhunt better, but overall I think it makes the game easier on town.

[UncertainKitten]

@Troll: Again, I think it better to let an SK and Mafia duke it out until we reach just above mini level. However, if we do FIND an SK, it's good to keep that in the public consciousness and keep them on a leash.

[UncertainKitten]

@Chrono: You miss the point that

I'm arguing the SK kill is better than the mafia kill, and that more deaths earlier is better!

@DGB: Again, I expect if Zorblag is an SK he'll be mafia hunting at first.

[UncertainKitten]

Oh, just means that Zor's flip will say a LOT about pops. That's a swing vote kids.

I'll move to Zorb before deadline if the Nico lynch doesn't gain more support.

[UncertainKitten]

Plum's post bothers the shit out of me. I agree with the sentiment, but it feels like a very easy "OMG I'm totally obv town authoritive look at me". That's been, admittedly, an unreliable tell for me though, so I can't really push hard on it. I merely wanted to register my gut call and my current explanation.

And yeah, around to hammer Zorb if need be.

[UncertainKitten]

Wait...are you telling me Troll is a point sniper?

Um...can we lynch Nico and have this problem solve itself, and hire troll to take care of our Fish problem, and possibly a couple other potential point grabbers?

[UncertainKitten]

Also, pops is scum.

[UncertainKitten]

But, he's still for hire killing gubmints. Which makes him even BETTER to keep around. Given his kills fail on those not government, he can't do any damage to the town. And if he DOES do damage to the town, he's an easy lynch.

[UncertainKitten]

@DGB: I hope you are prepared to back up that promise.

Fishy is part of a branch of gubmint. In fact, I assume all the point grabbers are gubmint (Legislative, Executive, Judiciary)

[UncertainKitten]

@Elli: I'd rather resolve the Fishy thing first to at least half "prove" Zorb. And then point him at suspected gubmints.

[UncertainKitten]

Ok. That's nice. But we can't exactly trust you either, can we?

At least with a fishy death and a new kill method, odds are high that Troll is at least telling part of the truth.

[UncertainKitten]

You know you want to DGB. The hammer is attractive. The hammer is pretty. The hammer owns your SOUL.

[UncertainKitten]

SHENANIGANS!

Also, Chrono, don't be so sure about your result being on Jack.

It's possible it was, but there are possible bus driver shenanigans going on. Or redirections.

Plum's reaction further makes me suspect her.

Fishy's reaction clears everything up.

We have bus driver shenanigans.

Chronopie, you know that Plum is town.

[UncertainKitten]

No, it's a damn safe bet you were redirected if what Fishy is saying is true. My action should NOT have hit Jack. I'm 99% sure bus drivery occured.

[UncertainKitten]

Sorry, that was stream of consciousness catching up. I am 99% sure you are town by way of Chronopie.

I need Fishy to full claim who he targetted to be sure. All I know is I targetted you, Plum, and hit Jack.

[UncertainKitten]

Then I must have been personally redirected.

This is not a good thing, I do not think.

I wonder if Llama did that...

[UncertainKitten]

Then, I no longer have an opinion on Plum's town or scuminess. That post from yesterday still bothers the shit out of me though.

[UncertainKitten]

That was my assumption, Troll. After I found out that only my action on plum was redirected.

[UncertainKitten]

God
Dammit.

I didn't target Plum, I targetted Zorblag. Do you have any innate redirection in your "neutral vig" ability, Zorb?

(Zora screwed up my action since I made a last minute change)

[UncertainKitten]

Nah, if it was Llama he was specifically guiding my target from you to jack for some reason. I don't know what to make of that. At any rate, Llama would not be the only redirector or he'd have claimed he redirected Fishy, I'm pretty sure.

[UncertainKitten]

@Fishy: Suppose that there were a number of people targetting Troll before his claim and a bus driver wanted to do damage control?

Course, this is conjecture, fairly sure I was just directly redirected.

[UncertainKitten]

As I said, I don't understand why unless he was pretty damn sure of something about me. I would guess he thought I was a vig and didn't like Jack. Or something, idk.

[UncertainKitten]

Elli: Relevant factors is I was SUPPOSED to target Plum, found out Zora messed up and had me target Zorblag, and that it may or may not have mattered since my action hit Jack. Either I was personally redirected, likely by scum, or Zorb was bus driven. Or he has some cool redirect ability, but yeah.

[UncertainKitten]

Sure, why not

##Vote d3x

[UncertainKitten]

i don't like this setup at all.

Is that REALLY all you have to say? REALLY?

@farside: Why is it impossible for charter to have targetted llama with something pro town that would be more pro town if it were not revealed at this juncture? I did not read his statement as wanting massclaim.

Well, let's see what else there is:

Neighborizer (sure makes sense to me)
Watcher (Definitely makes sense)

Hell, in fact, the fact you brought up Tracker and NOT watcher bugs the shit out of me farside. What gives?

[UncertainKitten]

@farside: Not necessarily. Since assumably you couldn't recruit scum, I'd probably save it and try to use it as a one shot cop. However, if I were unable to recruit other either, I'd probably just directly use it D1.

As for watcher, fair point. Could be a weak watcher though, or have been redirected, or any number of things.

Either way, there are town roles that could be used to target llama. I could probably come up with more if I thought about it.

I don't think his reluctance to claim at this juncture is necessarily scummy, but he does bear keeping an eye on.

[UncertainKitten]

Wait, let me try to get some things straight. Why did charter claim he targetted Llama in the first place?

[UncertainKitten]

Alright. That actually does make charter scum a slightly higher possibility. But I haven't really gotten a scum read from him all game :S.

Did RC claim yet?

[UncertainKitten]

@Troll: Figured that. Just was asking if I missed it.

[UncertainKitten]

I am, indeed, a vig. There is more to my role than that, however. I see no need to full claim as of yet unless we do indeed to a mass claim.

We're still in a gray area on massclaim being a good idea IMO. There are a LOT of no claims there. And there are some action claims but no role claims...

I'm not really sure at this point.

[UncertainKitten]

I see nine to ten no claims.

But I'm also talking pure roleclaims. I don't count the just target claims. Target says a little, but not as much as an actual role claim.

[UncertainKitten]

As I said, it's a grey area. Even just counting roleclaims, almost half the game has claimed.

[UncertainKitten]

Where is RC? Why hasn't he claimed?

[UncertainKitten]

Yeah, I figured there was a reason I wanted to shoot Plum.

[UncertainKitten]

At this point we might was well massclaim. YAY.

[UncertainKitten]

Mind you, if that does happen then I think that the night kills are coming from UncertainKitten (probably a vig, though I'm a bit more suspicious of her than I've said as accidentally targeting me last night when Plum was intended is a bit convenient)

It was a mod error. I targetted you for most of D2 because it seemed pretty much that town wanted Nico and you dead. So I had Nico has my primary shot, and in the event of his lynch, you as secondary. When I saw you claimed, I switched my secondary target to Plum. Zora did not note this change, hence the error.

Whether that's convenient or not is up to you at this point.

@charter: Your last two sentences do not add up.

RC has a point. However, I also note pops having some very good points on DGB. I'm probably going to shoot whichever one doesn't get lynched.

Gamma has tilted my opinion completely against charter.

##Unvote
##Vote Charter

Oh, wait, DGB could potentially be government? Will we have Troll shoot her or?

@RC: To be fair, Fishy was the first point claimer. He IS more believable.

@Zor:
Name: News Correspondent
Motive: We report, we decide.
Role: Vig neighborizer

Basically, my action works like this. I target a player, I kill them, and then neighborize them. Clearly, having a dead neighbor doesn't help, so I only actually neighborize if they are bulletproof/doc protected, etc.

Targetted xvart D1, and Zorblag D2, though I MEANT to target Plum, and somehow in all of this, I hit Jack. Which really irritates me because I thought Jack was pretty obv town, or at worst other.

There's a little MORE at this point, but that's not my role to claim, or my action. I'm apparently not the only neighborizer though.

And caught up. tl;dr, I need to know if Troll will shoot DGB, cause if he doesn't, I will. I'm all for a charter lynch.

[UncertainKitten]

...two trackers?

While it's not impossible for doubling to have occurred...

Though charter has implicated himself at this point...

I have no idea.

[UncertainKitten]

Why are you a Motive cop who doesn't get people's motive?

Oh right, cause you're LYING.

[UncertainKitten]

@Troll: Constant vigilance wins games. I don't hold your paranoia against you, as long as it doesn't consume you.

@Plum: How convenient.

Can you elaborate, since we kinda are fullclaiming here.

And yeah, I'll make DGB my first and someone else my second.

[UncertainKitten]

@DGB: Why is a census taker not part of the government?

[UncertainKitten]

They are in the employ of the government as far as I know.

and you are one to be calling people scum, Miss I Can Totally Find Unknowns That Don't Actually Exist Since Those Are DEAD Flips.

I'm fine with shooting you dead. Got any bulletproof I should know about ^-^?

Honestly, I really don't know what to make of Plum trying to save obvscum charter.

[UncertainKitten]

They are in the employ of the government as far as I know.

So is the Army. But they're not "governing." Nor am I.

WHY DON'T YOU ANSWER THE POINTS I MADE ABOUT TROLL???

You are completely unreasonable. Why you would have to be, if you were scum.

what points? I've mostly disregarded anything you have to say since the unknown gaffe kinda makes you obv hostile.

@Troll: Ok, I understand. No need to shoot DGB, I'll handle it.

...wait.

Charter claims town/not town cop. Supposedly Parama was that. Supposedly Chronopie IS that. I do think we have some interesting situations here.

I can confirm SC's claim.

Wait, is it town/scum? The type of cop you are claiming?

But, alright, I understand your claim. So, we have

Two Trackers
Two Backups (cops)
Two Cops cops (one dead, confirmed town)

I get the feeling chrono needs to die.

I also get the feeling that the doubled roles aren't all town.

What chrono notices does make Plum more dubious...

OH, ok, I get it now, other/not other.

I'm confused as hell. I'm not sure who to shoot, but I'm PRETTY sure it's going to be one of our doubled roles.

[UncertainKitten]

...wait.

Charter claims

town/not town

other/non-other cop. Supposedly Parama was that. Supposedly Chronopie IS

that

town/not town cop. I do think we have some interesting situations here.

Two Trackers
Two Backups (Other/non-other cops)
Two Cops cops (one other/non-other dead, confirmed town. One Town/non-town, claimed miller)

I get the feeling chrono needs to die.

Matter of (Flawed) opinion

I also get the feeling that the doubled roles aren't all town.

What chrono notices does make Plum more dubious...

OH, ok, I get it now, other/not other.

I'm confused as hell. I'm not sure who to shoot, but I'm PRETTY sure it's going to be one of our doubled roles.

Just fixing the flaws.

That's nice. If you can explain WHY it's flawed your opinion would gain value.

[UncertainKitten]

....wow.

Well, aren't you amazing, Zorb?

Leave it to a Vi influenced game to have an limited unlimited Dayvig.

Soooooooooooooooooooooo, now what, Mr. Troll?

[UncertainKitten]

Still not sure what to make of Charter's claim, but if there's a town/scum backup situation, I would figure he's the scum back up given the track, so I'll keep my vote on him.

[UncertainKitten]

Just a vig at night, but I can shoot anyone I damn well please ^-^.

[UncertainKitten]

I think you have quite a point there. I would favor DGB lying, though RC lying is also possible.

[UncertainKitten]

See, I love how DGBScum is painting me as an SK while

VERY CONVENIENTLY

ignoring the fact that

TROLL CAN ONLY SHOOT GOVERNMENT SUCCESSFULLY

MEANING, that there is still room for a general vig to shoot others and mafia.

Thanks for proving yourself scum, DGB. The bullet will be coming in the mail.

Also, charter, quite right, sorry about the useless post. I of course believe DGB to be lying and she's just further digging the whole deeper as she keeps "missing" obvious things.

I'm going to shoot her. I'm voting you at the moment because I still don't think the track result/doubled role situation should be ignored.

[UncertainKitten]

It's actually perfectly logical.

First, I thought you were scum cause the motive cop thing seemed far fetched. Well, turns out that isn't the case. However, having the EXACT SAME ROLE you have claimed by someone else? How interesting. And I believe I'm on record for considering most of the doubled pairs to have scum in them. I really fail to see how my vote for you is "funny" at all, actually. I also find it REALLY funny that you call it funny without considering all the facts. How disturbing.

And you targetted Llama. Far as I know Plum didn't. So, I'm forced to consider you more likely to be the scum in that pair.

[UncertainKitten]

I use night loosely, of course, if that's your issue.

Again, I really don't understand your fucking retarded logic DGB. could you try to explain again how this is at all unbalanced, ESPECIALLY when the "unlimited dayvig" is...you know, NEUTRAL? In a game with at least SIX Neutrals?

Do you think Town really has that much chance WITHOUT a vig?

Again, keep at it DGB, keep showing how utterly stupid your logic is.

[UncertainKitten]

Also, DGB, if you are a "neutral", why did you lie about your role? It's REALLY transparently obvious you are lying. So, what gives?

[UncertainKitten]

If we lynch her, I need to figure out who I'm shooting. I lean Charter, of course, but one of Farside/RC seems good also. Honestly, I'm still not sure whether to shoot charter or Plum, but the charter track is pretty damning and pushes him over for me.

So sure

##unvote
##Vote DrippingGoofBall

[UncertainKitten]

Let me counter Idiot Goofball's points quite easily and point out, for the THIRD FUCKING TIME, why she's either dumb or scum, and likely both.


- WE ALREADY HAVE A PROVEN VIG.
Counter: THAT CAN ONLY SHOOT 6 SPECIFIC TARGETS :O! AND IS NEUTRAL :B :B!
- and that proven vig shoots "infinite" targets.
Counter: See the first counter :O
- this is a NIGHTLESS game.
Counter: However, some actions take place at day end, and others take place as a rapid action. HOW AMAZING.
- UK is claiming NIGHT vig, why? because she needs to explain away how she'd be a second vig.
Counter: Yes, second vig, and first TOWN vig. Golly Gee I don't see anything wrong here gaiz!
- Occam's razoe dictactes that she's a SK.
Counter: Occam's Razor dictates you're a dumbass, a scumass, or my personal theory, a scumbass. Die please.

[UncertainKitten]

Sorry if I seem to be a bit hostile, it's just I really hate seeing people derp shit up for no reason, and I DOUBLY get angry when I see otherwise intelligent and good players fuck up something like this SO BADLY.

I suppose if she's scum she's doing her job...kinda?

[UncertainKitten]

Unfortunately, I can't cite ongoings, but it's actually pretty normal for me to get pissed at shitty logic, like yours.

I love how you are splitting hairs on "twilight" and "night" for, as it happens, no fucking reason ^-^.

Because, you know, as well as I do, as well as everyone else does, and as well as the mod does, that you're wrong, and trying DESPERATELY to get rid of the vig before you scum dies.

[UncertainKitten]

You forgot to bold that. Or did you mean not to?

[UncertainKitten]

Yes, actually .

[UncertainKitten]

You have a point. There are several targets I can choose from, so I will choose between them ^-^

[UncertainKitten]

No flavor claim that I can tell. However, given he chose me and Llama, two likely towns, and one of those being a scumhunter I hold in high regard (llama), I don't think scum would RISK dealing with that.

And SC feels more town to me, mostly gut I guess.

[UncertainKitten]

##Unvote

Sorry, was doing stuff and reading Imagine's claim. Lemme catch up with after that.

[UncertainKitten]

Well, llama certainly got the numbers. He posted them in the QT

@Gamma: I find that's often SC town. He's very passive and doesn't make waves. However, I don't know SC scum very well.

@Troll: That would solve a few issues, now wouldn't it ^-^. And hell, being night killed shows I'm scary, so if scum decide to go that route, I don't overly mind.

[UncertainKitten]

/me rechecks

There's no real claim. Only real mention of a redirector is that it was probably not a pro town redirector redirecting Fishy. Well, more specifically, that RC was bus driven with a town looking player for some reason.

[UncertainKitten]

@RC: Maybe it's the fact DGB claimed scum :O.

Who was the confirmed scum again? Cause the fate went back in haze wrt charter.

[UncertainKitten]

And, apparently I was roleblocked.

How disturbing.

anyway, obv

##Vote: Chronopie

given points bullshit, IIRC?

[UncertainKitten]

How unexpected :O!

Can we lynch Chrono now?

[UncertainKitten]

@farside: I talk to death. I targetted Red Coyote last night, deciding that his little flip flop DGB attack felt really terrible, and I was going to deal with one of the trackers last night, since I think at least one of you is scum, as is my belief for most of the doubled roles.

I also figured that if I targetted charter, my shot would be redirected. Course, scum seems to have skipped all that and roleblocked me.

But, either way, I'm still not sure what to make of RC. I don't think he looks good, but given how close DGB was to lynch, why the hell would he be lukewarm as her scumbuddy at that point?

At any rate, SC does appear to have not added anyone to our happy neighborhood, and I'm very curious why.

[UncertainKitten]

Well, since it's

neighborizing

, you don't know their alignment, so you wouldn't fail to bring them into your neighborhood.

I would assume it works on scum or else my action'd be somewhat stupid, what with the vig+Neighborize thing, and the fact I'd be TRYING to shoot scum.

[UncertainKitten]

May I please ask what reason you have for not believe the government?

Rather, in this game? Considering I can think of tons of reasons not to believe the real government.

Mostly it's the non hostile otherness and the fact that three different factions confirmed each other's data that causes me to believe that Chronopie is the same alignment as DGB.

I do hope SC has a good explanation though. I do agree that I don't understand why you tracked him when I could easily have told you if someone was neighborized, and had them confirm it.

[UncertainKitten]

@DDD: I think at least two out of three of them confirmed it, and the third one went along. Even if one was scum motivated, it was impossible for them to get away with lying.

@charter: Points bullshit.

I'll also point out we were all ready to lynch Chrono before his claim on Fishy.

I have a theory, actually. Suppose Chrono were lying about his role. Suppose he was actually an other/not other cop. Suppose he was a SCUM other/not other cop. Since Parama flipped as a TOWN other/not other cop (if charter/Plum are to be believed)

Anyone like that theory?

@farside: You probably should have tracked Chrono, at any rate. Since I doubt charter scum would be sent to do another kill.

[UncertainKitten]

Well, all I know is I plan to talk over the WIFOM and shoot one of you in the future.

@Gamma: But wasn't it a case where all three scoreboards ONLY worked with Chrono-DGB links?

[UncertainKitten]

Can't we just have charter target you, gamma? In fact, why haven't we been demanding secondary suspects target Gamma?

At any rate, if we don't want to do that, I'm happy either lynching or shooting charter.

[UncertainKitten]

I love how, the minute I state Chronopie is scum, he comes turns on me.

There you have it guys. Chrono is at the very least lying, and possibly even our RB.

But yeah, I forgot about the RB :V.

You all are idiots you know to be voting me on Chronoscum's word.

This is basically an attempt to get rid of the vig. I'm guessing because I'm actually onto scum. Alternatively we were on the route to lynching the RB.

[UncertainKitten]

In fact, I'm pretty sure he's derailing us from finding the roleblocker.

[UncertainKitten]

See, I love this. I know Chrono is lying, so I've had scum handed to me. The greatest part is, even if you lynch me, you'll STILL catch scum tomorrow. However, we could just as easily skip that step and, you know, lynch scum today. I'm PRETTY sure Chrono is protecting an RB as well. I expect the beginning of this day to get a lot of scrutiny when Chrono flips scum.

[UncertainKitten]

Except for, you know, the part where you are scum. I love how you are trying to act like you are confirmed.

You aren't.

[UncertainKitten]

Why don't YOU take the lynch like the RB/Scum Cop, not sure which, YOU are.

You tangled with the wrong "biatch"...bitch.

Try to pick your framing targets better, scumass.

Did you and DGB plan this, by the way? As a cute continuation of yesterday?

[UncertainKitten]

Thinking on it, he probably IS a scum cop. So we should probably work on figuring out who the RB is after we lynch Chronoscum, whether that is today or tomorrow.

[UncertainKitten]

An investigate that comes from a NON CONFIRMED PERSON.

Die bitch die!

Seriously? a MILLER FUCKING COP?

And you expect us to BELIEVE YOU?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA~!

Shit only flies in the insane asylum!

The thing you forget is that I'm pretty obv town. My role is completely confirmed. My alignment is still dubious, I suppose, but my actions look a HELL of a lot more town then the shit you've tried to pull over on us. I invite EVERYONE to ISO the both of us and see who shines out as scum.

[UncertainKitten]

I'm going to ignore further Chrono baiting unless he has some new laughable evidence to present.

I'd also like to note that the supposed

town/not town

cop hasn't died yet. And several SUBOPTIMAL targets have been picked. I WONDER WHY :O!

[UncertainKitten]

No, I'm not trying to paint it.

THE FACT IS YOU ARE LYING SCUM!!!

[UncertainKitten]

You noticed that too, eh charter? What bugs me most is it's suicidal to lie. Even if he could get my lynch, my flip would kill him. I mean, buying a day for the RB might help, but...meh, I don't know.

All I know it is was throughout D3, charter. I'm sure you'll find it in one of the government posts.

[UncertainKitten]

farside's post make 100% sense.

I honestly got pissed at the "biatch" remark hence my...heated argument with Chrono.

[UncertainKitten]

@Gamma: Why are you assuming that scum can't act and perform a kill in the same night?

He wasn't tracked, so he could easily have blocked me and claimed his Elli kill.

Your plan seems sound but I don't see why we have to no lynch.

[UncertainKitten]

Eh, I'm using UK's secret meta technique that'd probably get her in trouble for my town read on you.

[UncertainKitten]

@Gamma: Oh, every game I, Tar, Malt, Kai, and other mods run.

And Plum just showed Zora is such a mod.

[UncertainKitten]

@Gamma: Zora isn't Vi. We can check Almost No Rules Mafia to see what he allowed though.

[UncertainKitten]

Which means nothing, but given the factional/passive/active breakdown, I assume means "yes"

[UncertainKitten]

Gamma, you didn't vote right.

[UncertainKitten]

How nice. Scum shows their true colors. I love how you cover one of your scum buddies in your post.

If I need to be strung up we'll see. I know you're lying ^-^.

[UncertainKitten]

Yes. Please. Plum/Charter, investigate me and PUT AN END to this silliness!

[UncertainKitten]

Continue lying, scum.

[UncertainKitten]

Oh em Gee~! I was ~*~roleblocked~*~

How UNEXPECTED!

Yeah, seriously, why the hell don't you just kill me, considering you've lost TWO members of your team playing up this "SK" bullshit

Also,

##Vote Red Coyote

Who I happened to target for kill last night anyway.

Town tracker flip implies obv scum tracker to me :O.

[UncertainKitten]

...this is stupid.

No, seriously. You're wasting a THIRD mafiate on me?

##Unvote
##Vote charter

Gee, let's target Llama and Ellibereth and pretend I didn't kill them :O!

[UncertainKitten]

SC brings up another good point.

Why did you quickhammer your scumbuddy? So you could bring out your fake result?

[UncertainKitten]

Meh, sure. If she was smart and investigated me, she'll out charter scum.

In fact, I'm betting that's why he quickhammered. He expects she wasn't around to change target to me, and wanted to keep it that way so he could have an uncontested shot at me. Considering his scumbuddy DID flip role cop, of course doubt is going to raise about me.

[UncertainKitten]

The timestamps are close, but it doesn't necessarily disprove my theory.

Also, I note farside was killed, who would probably have once again come on my side. Haven't you all ever heard of cutting your losses?

[UncertainKitten]

Are you trying to bus all your buddies before you inevitably die, charter?

[UncertainKitten]

Haha, sure. I'd believe you were town, but...you kinda targetted two dead people in a row, that appear to have the scum kill method used on them.

How interesting.

Oh, right, and the fact you're lying about my alignment.

I'll admit, one thing is niggling at me. Why are scum trying so hard to get me lynched? It should have been clear I wasn't a viable mislynch after Chrono's failure.

Seriously, you all are better off killing me.

But, let's wait for Plum to confirm you scum, charter.

[UncertainKitten]

At least I'm not trying to get lynched .

[UncertainKitten]

Wellp, you'd be wrong. It's rather easy to come up with "very specific". The seeds for falsifying my role were there.

I'm waiting for Plum to confirm me as town so we can lynch Charterscum.

[UncertainKitten]

That...was about the most amazing logic post I have ever seen that uses the structure of role names to their advantage. Like, seriously, that was amazing.

[UncertainKitten]

Um...charter, isn't that exactly what we are...um...NOT doing?

You know, since, lemme see...

DGB said I was an SK...and flipped mafier
Chronopie claimed I was an SK...and flipped mafier.

Now YOU are claiming an SK. I THINK I SEE A PATTERN GUYS! LET'S FIND OUT IF CHARTER FLIPS MAFIER!

[UncertainKitten]

EBWOP: Now YOU (charter) are claiming that I am an SK

I think pops explains it pretty well. We have a bigger mafia than we thought and are possibly in lylo. They've already sunk two mafiosi on trying to lynch me, so rather than waste those deaths, they are pushing for endgame.

Yes, this would mean we probably have 5:7:12

I do not envy Zoraster, Vi, or SpyreX for having to balance that.

[UncertainKitten]

IF I WAS MAFIA WHY WOULDNT I JUST KILL YOU AT NIGHT IF I THOUGHT YOU WERE A SK? or even if you were a vig.

Because you've spent TWO MAFIOSOS TRYING TO PUSH A LAST MISLYNCH. Clearly there are 5 mafia. We've been in Mylo since Troll's shooting spree. Thankfully you all took it into your heads to try to go against ME, and failed twice. And now you will fail a third time. Care to tell us who your scumbuddies are now? Or will we just have to wait for the fourth person to step forward calling me an SK? It's practically a solid scumtell at this point

To answer your question, why would you kill a mislynch possibility when you supposedly can increase the doubt against me?

Either way, I would like Plum to get here ASAP.

[UncertainKitten]

That does make a lot of sense. In fact, I'm pretty sure anyone who went right ahead and claimed me SK without any Plum verification is more likely to be scum, since they would "know" the scum plan.

[UncertainKitten]

@charter: May I inquire as to why you think I have NK immunity? Especially since I see no scum kills having been missed?

[UncertainKitten]

They wouldn't be trying to lynch you if they could kill you. That'd be dumb of them to chance trying to lynch you during the day and give you the chance to kill them at night.

Oh, I see. So you are completely missing the point, once agian?

Just wanted to be sure :V

@charter: If you read you'd see RC didn't track Day 4 since you decided to quicklynch.

[UncertainKitten]

Did you seriously hammer, Gamma?

[UncertainKitten]

Meh, I would have preferred you waited for Plum, but hey, maybe we'll get the fourth mafioso trying to claim I'm an SK now :V.

[UncertainKitten]

...you're seriously claiming town, after being lynched?

I refuse to believe it. zoraster canNOT be that much of an asshole. He can't be.

[UncertainKitten]

I'm not "being a dick". If you DO somehow flip town, I will be seriously confused and pissed. Since that would mean several things happened that I really don't think are good modding.

[UncertainKitten]

/me reads her role PM

Nope, I'm a town vig. That can neighborize if her shot fails.

For you to be town, I would have to be a miller. My role PM says nothing about millerness. Hence why I'd be REALLY pissed if that were the case.

That said, if you flip town, I might request I be lynched anyway, since at this point it'd be best for town. Doesn't stop me from being REALLY irritated at hidden miller hijinks.

[UncertainKitten]

You'd like that, wouldn't you, scum?

I expect you think your little "I'm town guys lolololol" gambit would get me to claim SK since "I'd know I was screwed", don't you?

If you are actually town, I'm a miller, and scum is on the charter wagon. I guarantee it.

[UncertainKitten]

drop WHAT?

I'M A FUCKING VIG AND YOU ARE EITHER LYING SCUM OR I'M A MILLER

There is NO OTHER POSSIBILITY

Excuse me for ACTUALLY TRYING TO DEFEND MYSELF :V

You act like you've got it "all figured out" but you are just as fucking in the dark as everyone else. Maybe you have a little more information because you ARE scum, but there is no way you would have gotten an "other" result on me unless zora screwed me.

Die. Let's see your

bolded, red

flip and move on to catch your scumbuddies.

[UncertainKitten]

Maybe I should be telling you to drop it. It's becoming more obvious you're forcing yourself.

[UncertainKitten]

Ah, right, that is a good point. Until Zora confirms charter as scum, he has to play at being town.

[UncertainKitten]

If we have a third, and you are town, aren't we screwed ANYWAY?

[UncertainKitten]

Seriously? Seriously?

I'm a fucking miller. Only possibility.

Well, let me rephrase that. I COULD potentially have been a framer target, charter could have been made insane, etc.

There are other possibilties, but they still involve the results being fucked.

We have 6 alive guys. At this point, I'm not sure we can afford to lynch me. If we had any more people, I'd say just take me out. You can't trust an vig who suddenly appears to be an unknown other miller.

However, as it stands, do you think we have one mafioso left or two? And if it's two, can we afford to lynch me?

I'm pretty sure at least one scum was on charter's wagon. Possibly both. I think we should start with Gamma, especially given the kill.

##Vote GammaGooey

Also

ZORASTER: CAN YOU CLEAN UP YOUR VCs?

[UncertainKitten]

Thinking on it, it's actually more likely I was a framer target. Think about it. DGB scum pushes SK theory. Chrono furthers it. It doesn't work, but they KNOW that charter or Plum will check me, if not both. So they have a framer stick an other tag on me.

You know why this makes sense?

Zoraster likes to use framers

. In a game with so many others and "other/not other" cops, it makes sense to put in an "other" framer.

I actually am a lot less pissed at Zoraster now, and whether I get lynched or not, I really appreciate the ingenuity, actually.

[UncertainKitten]

I had a feeling. I was scared there were three.

I may or may not have lost.

[UncertainKitten]

But yes, I'm an SK.

I'm honestly quite proud of my performance even this far. I got past not one but TWO damning investigations. I made it to Day 6 with enough of the town mostly believing me to make it this far.

However...the game's not over Gamma. I'm convinced there is a way for another faction to win.

I considered shooting you actually. I wish I had.

[UncertainKitten]

I was. I specifically requested an Inquisitor like role. I'm pretty sure Vi smiled on me. But there were too many others to make me a full inquisitor. I can't recruit into my faction, just neighborize.

Still, second time I've screwed a scum role cop as Inquisitor like role.

[UncertainKitten]

Yes, I realize that I might be being tricked here. But the only way that town has a shot at winning while lynching me is if there is only one scum. Quite a bet for town gooey to be making. So, I mostly believe you.