Of Gods And Men (GAME OVER!)

[manho]

This is definitely too fast. it was still locked yesterday when i check the site, and 11 pages now.

spyrex and abr are town. iecerint is more likely scum. fate is just what fate is for now. DTM should stfu. that's all my first impression.

other thought will be posted later, when i have time.

[manho]

as for the worship thing, i don't have any preference. but i would like someone to tell me who he is voting for.

as for the number of scum, 1 team of 6, 2 teams of 4, plus a few 3rd-party, are the favourtie choices here. but why none of you think of 4 teams of 2/3, each with its corresponding god?

my suspect on iecerint is only a brief feeling when i was reading the thread, maybe i've got influenced by the others. i'll iso him later to see if he is really scum.

are there anyone else who worth an iso reading? i don't have time to read the whole thread again.

[manho]

Point 2.

as for the worship thing, i don't have any preference. but i would like someone to tell me who he is voting for.

Who is he? Referring to coordinating the town for specific gods? Or referring to specific players.

"he" can be anyone. it can be you telling me who you will worship, or abr telling me who abr will worship, etc.

[manho]

#3:
Tarhalindur is 110% town with that claim and I have a chainsaw waiting for the first moron who has the balls to step up and say "SOUNDS LIKE LYNCHER/3RD PARTY ROLE!"

but tar is actually a lyncher by his role claim, although he is a pro-town one.

[manho]

Attention players. It has come to my attention that Parama is scum. Please lynch this player in a few days. Maybe day four.
Yeah, day four should work. If I'm dead by day four, please lynch Parama without me. Otherwise, I'm going straight for Parama's throat come daybreak on that day.

i know someone has already asked it, but i'm asking it again so that you won't miss it:

why wait until day 4?

[manho]

@Manho
1. So deity factions. Well, judging by the last deity vote split.

Worship Results:
Norse Gods: 25%
The Great Old Ones: 25%
Egyptian Gods: 25%
Judeo-Christian Angels: 25%

Gods and god aligned factions are equaled out.

Theory: This means that we have equal amounts of god-aligned people in each faction as it stands and/or gods. This also means that people who claimed to: "I would worship X deity" over "I (have to) worship X deity" don't have specific requirements to worship a deity.

I have a feeling that ungod aligned people didn't worship last night (As I claimed), which brought the even split.

i think the worship vote thing start day 1, not night 0.

[manho]

i've read starbuck's case on mina, and then iso'ed mina. she is really too caution while blatantly rolefishing. if you really think ort and dtm revealing that replacement mechanism is good to the town, you should ask it, and not fear of being accused.

vote: snow_bunny

(mina)

[manho]

Again, I will explain my thought process in those posts.

1) Before the game, I was curious about the replacements. Were they recruited by the town or Mafia, or just randomly selected? I figured it was worth questioning them to see how they reacted:

Question to DTMaster and ortolan: do you know why were you both added to the game? Were you recruited by a specific faction?

(And to those who said I should have given my theories on the replacements at the time: um...that kind of takes away THE ENTIRE TRAP!) Was it a brilliant question? Did I expect it to catch scum? Probably not, but it was

page one

. I decided the question couldn't hurt, because at worst, ortolan and DTM could've said, "No comment." No one has explained why Scum!Mina would draw needless attention to herself by asking the replacements something that doesn't tell her much.

2) When ABR asked about the number of scum, I started a post along the lines of "That's irrelevant, but what I'm really curious about is_____." (If people need to be swayed, I will share the theories I had; it gives away something minor about my role, but I don't think you'd need to be a genius to have worked it out anyway.) Then I caught my slip, and realized it might start a chain reaction of people accidentally giving the same information if they responded to my theory:

I have a few theories about the set-up, but I'm worried they'll lead to rolefishing.

3) Meanwhile, I thought asking about worship votes was

safe

and protown, just to make sure we didn't all accidentally worship the Mafia:

The only thing I'll say is that if someone has a great reason for why we should worship a certain faction (and it won't give away his role), he or she should come forward. (Right now, I'd guess that it wouldn't be such a great idea to worship the Old Ones.)

Note the "and it won't give away his role" part. I figured those who knew the information could decide how much to reveal at their own discretion. The Old Ones thing was pretty much just speculation.

If someone has any questions for me (or questions they'd like to see me answer that I've missed), ask them and I'll get back to them after my V/LA. I'll save my response to Starbuck for another post.

although the thought process is a bit weird, giving out one's own thought process is pro-town, and hard for scum, at least imo. but note the bolded word "safe", what did you mean by "safe"? i would read it wrong as safe from being suspected and lynched.

but my vote will still on mina for now, at least before she post that promised response to starbuck's case.

[manho]

is DTM recruited by tar?

[manho]

mina's recent posts are really townie. so

unvote

i'll read ortolan later.

and i'll be worshipping Judea-Christian Angels.

[manho]

ALL THESE EGYPT+CHRISTIAN WORSHIPS MADE BY LESS THAN STELLAR NAMES MAKE ME ITCH. TELL ME WHY YOU DID NOT WORSHIP OLD GODS TO FLIP SPY INTO SOMETHING AWESOME.

spy didn't say the other part of his power, so who knows what would happen if we worship spy. i choose the christian thing as it seems to be the less voted god.

[manho]

lots to read...

so ort is prodded. i'll wait for another day for him to show up then.

[manho]

i also agree that CMAR is scummier than ort. CMAR is actively lurking, while ort seems forgotten it. and i don't believe that claim.

vote: Albatross

(CMAR)

dramonic seems like playing with his scum meta. i'll check it to see if i recall right.

[manho]

the following vote is for testing purpose only

vote: manho

[manho]

Tomorrow (Day 3) we worship Norse

@tar, LOOK! here is your godfather trying to survive at least to day 4!

and for the 44 worship vots, 12 immortals with 1 vote each and 16 mortals with 2 votes should be the case. but i have 1 more vote than usual, so you need someone to have 1 less vote.

and for Snow_Bunny, i have a gut feeling that he is actually scum claiming vig, but i don't know, my gut seems insane recently.

[manho]

JCA got 3 votes - which could mean three people voting once or one double and one single. So which one of you went back on your word?

i remember i've stated it, but the site ate my post (should be between post 1038 and 1039), in which i claim to have changed to the old ones.

[manho]

thanks for the vote count =]
will read DarkStalker later.

[manho]

@Mod: Is this correct?

4 manho ( 2 ) [ 11 ] - manho

it is correct.

[manho]

@manho, is the double voting related to your having more than one worship vote yesterday? Also, yesterday did your vote count at all? The vote counts make it a bit hard to tell but Beholder talked about fixing some mechanic and after that when you show up on the vote counts it's on a wagon of 5 people on Albatross which only gives CryMeARiver 4 votes.

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

no, that's two different things. and my vote counts as 1 last day.

and for the 44 worship vots, 12 immortals with 1 vote each and 16 mortals with 2 votes should be the case. but i have 1 more vote than usual, so you need someone to have 1 less vote.

Fair enough about switching to Old ones.
Btw two questions for you
i) 1 more vote than usual or double the usual - there's a difference.
ii) While re-reading the game in the night, you focus on anyone in particular?

i) 1 more vote than usual
ii) you mean ... that thing? i focus on spyrex.

[manho]

done reread on DS. but why is there a wagon on them?

[manho]

VV's claim is similar to mine, in some sense, so i think he is confirmed.

[manho]

Interesting Point that Parama brings up. We can conclude that either a) Manho is one of the GOO, or b) Gains additional Voting power each day (so would have 3 tomorrow etc.), or c) Someone else has buffed him.

lol, they are all wrong.

don't have much time to read...

[manho]

@MO, how many gods do you think is town-aligned? and how many gods are scum-aligned?

if we claim god faction, it will be beneficial to town if the ratio of town-aligned gods to gods in total is high, but beneficial to scum if otherwise.

i would suggest a god who thinks his buffed power is game-changing to claim though.

[manho]

V/LA until 14/6

i need to add something here so that this post is not exactly the same as my last two posts

[manho]

need sometime to catch up. will post later.

[manho]

we can just ask the vig to nk plum, and if she is actually un-nk'able, we can lynch her before lylo.

[manho]

do anyone know whether we will get our iso tab back?

[manho]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: fate

let's lynch the scum

[manho]

so iec claimed QT scum slip on blazer, and MO claimed town result on blazer...

[manho]

blazer should come and explain it clearly

[manho]

my vote is still on fate as he is scum.

[manho]

we got the iso back!!! will iso TNM and DS soon. iec and chrono is town. fate is scum. nikanor may be fate's scum buddy.

[manho]

May

be? If I'm scum Nika's DEFINITELY my buddy are you reading the thread?

name the other 4 buddies and i'll believe it.
i see scum-fate trying to make nikanor obvscum when fate flip scum.

[manho]

iso'ed TNM and DS. the only thing that's worth noting is DS's vote on mina, but i don't see it as scummy. and why is TNM being wagoned?

[manho]

manho if somehow your town you're pretty much suck ass at reading people. You think ISOs alone gives you a complete picture?

me iso'ing someone is not just the ISO, it includes many more things, like another tab in the browser with the full thread. it can give me an almost complete picture. and if all players are quoting the post they are responding to, it will be much better for us who rely on the iso function.

[manho]

so albatross is fate's buddy also?

[manho]

so albatross is fate's buddy also?

Are you really that simplistic in analyzing people's interactions or are you scum? I remember thinking that you were the latter.

so why fate?

i'm keeping it simple as i can't get a read on everyone, so i'll keep noting all that interactions.

[manho]

so albatross is fate's buddy also?

Are you really that simplistic in analyzing people's interactions or are you scum? I remember thinking that you were the latter.

so why fate?

Its kinda abstract in my head and I want a little bit of time to pass before I answer this question.

Why did you not think to ask this question before you jumped the gun and immediately called me scum?

this is not a "immediately called me(alba) scum". fate claimed a 6 men QT, and claimed that nikanor is his buddy (buddy only, QT?, but not

scum

-buddy as fate said). and i was asking fate, or you, whether you are in that QT also.
your reaction to that question is really scummy, as you assumed i marked you as scum in that quote.

[manho]

i doubt the cover action can find godfather. and @iec, did starbuck tell you your action is not redirected?

[manho]

Manho has not been doing much this game. Kinda sitting on the side lines and flying under the radar.

i didn't catch up with the game earlier, when it was much faster. it is hard to do much if no one is talking to you, and i usually response to questions rather than asking questions. so you can't blame me for not doing much.

Is he a VI cause his posts don't seem to make sense or assume too much? Anyone here played with Manho before to know about this?

i think i was accused as not making sense for many games. i really don't know why. maybe my thought process is too fast while my writing is not good at expressing my thought.

And that test vote he had on himself near start of day 2 was there for the longest time even after vote counts. Did he forget he was voting himself? Was he even testing something or was it BS?

i've unvoted, and someone has correctly stated my test purpose. read the thread and you will know why. (hint: it is about the vote count mistake in your original post.)

I think i asked him another question once earlier and he never answered. I'm going to need to make a post about the unanswered questions i have for some players like him, cmar, nikanor relating to his vi-ness and or anyone else that missed them before.

i missed your question? i've iso'ed you twice, and i didn't notice it. i'll search for it then.

In general let's try to get some start here

thanks for giving me assignments.

@manho

Why is Fate Scum?

i know fate is always posting with that anti-town style, but it is not an excuse. he threaten all who doesn't agree with his read. he voted for the survivor. he claimed a six men QT, and claimed niknor his buddy, (read the context and you will know he is actually implying nikanor is his

scum

buddy, joke or not).

What do you think of TNM and orto/flipscythe and chrono?

TNM is neutral, orto is scum but i remember someone has a town result on him so idk, chrono is town.

How long have you been playing the game of mafia?

3 years if you count other site experience, 1 if you count mafiascum only.

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@manho: What do you mean by 'VV's claim is similar to mine'.

For those who have forgotten:

I do have a night action. And actually, I'm glad you asked. It explains Elscouta's worship mass claim thing.

My night action makes me and my target death immune(except by lynch) provided that me and my target worshiped the same pantheon. If either of us are lynched, we both die.

I think the ability speaks for itself that I am town.

I do not know if I have successfully deflected an NK. Nor do I know if me and my target worshiped the same pantheon.

Night 1, Els targeted Nikanor(don't know why he targetted him though) and I worshiped the Old Gods. Since Nikanor worshipped the Old Gods too, then there might be a third kill floating around there somewhere. Actually, this might explain why the only two kills were claimed(?).

Used properly, my ability can carry me and one other person to endgame.

Almost everything in this post clearly cannot be 'similar' to his because of the borderline OPness of my ability(Feel free to disagree though.). Aside from the '

target worships the same pantheon

' thing, I don't see how he can confirm me.

you've got it. see the bolded part. and about the confirmed part, my first thought is that i can confirm your power as a possible mechanic, at least something that kinetic is using in this game, and that your power is confimable, so i think you are confirmed. but after a second thought, your power can be a scum power, to dodge the vig/sk kill, so you are not confirmed yet.

[manho]

SB should vig fate.

[manho]

It's pointless to have a 'target woships the same pantheon' subclause when you're scum.

oh yes, scum will know who the other scums are worshipping, so why add the 'target woships the same pantheon' as a condition.

and VV, which god will you worship? i'll follow you.

[manho]

Since we know no scum are dead, and town from the other 3 factions all are, the correct answer is JC angels.

But VV can dispute this w/e.

so you are worshipping JC angels? i'll follow you then.

[manho]

WE'RE COMIN FOR YOU (plum) DAY FOUR BABY

i think i've heard it before? from nikanor?

[manho]

Attention players. It has come to my attention that Parama is scum. Please lynch this player in a few days. Maybe day four.
Yeah, day four should work. If I'm dead by day four, please lynch Parama without me. Otherwise, I'm going straight for Parama's throat come daybreak on that day.

SaintKerrigan, what do we say about people who give out cookies for lynches?

i got it wrong. it was parama that will be lynched day 4.

[manho]

@manho, will you still get one extra worship vote tonight or was that a one time thing?

it stays at normal+1.