@Ice/Mina
"shurgs at the recruit setup". I'd leave it up to scum hunting and posts. The argument about whether the recruit is scum or not is circling around nowhere. Simply put, there isn't enough fucking information to judge me (being recruited) and Ort (who appears to be recruited but hasn't claimed that) based on the fact we joined the game later then everyone else.
In my case you use it to establish links, and then determine scumminess. You don't determine scumminess based on the fact that I'm linked to someone here.
@Ice
You do realize that if you're arguing for anti-towness, you're not arguing for someone's scumminess. Everything that is scummy is also anti town. But everything that is anti-town isn't necessarily scummy. Take VIs, it's detrimental to the town. But that's dependent on skill level, not in terms of the player's scuminess.
"sigh". Don't want to repeat that argument, but there are things that still bother me. The whole "anti-town" statement looks like a backdoor argument out of that mess.
Which brings me to question: Where you even scum hunting with your analysis on Fate? Or where you just pointing out "anti-town things" just because.
Your posts on Fate go from this:
Iecerint wrote:@ Zor, I don't see Fate's initial-initial play as gutsy at all. It's defensive and paranoid. His RVS vote is perfunctory (or scummy, but we'll take his universe). His next post, "Parama is scum because he thinks I'm 3rd party," is worse. His FOLLOWING post, "Chrono is scum for voting me," manages to be yet-worse.
His claim to want to worship the Old Gods is an attempt to recontextualize his play as "silly" rather than "scummy"
His lame "your reluctance to share with the town is noted" to someone who didn't want to answer ABR's question is just bullying. I'm not sure about ABR or SK one way or the other, though.
The only gutsy bit IMO is the very recent "I know something you don't" thing about ABR. It does give me pause a little but idk.
And Justifying it as Anti-town once the heat turns up.
Ice wrote:
Re: Fate, from his post, it looks like he's intending to vote ani (=DS). So it looks like he's voting his suspect rather than the fellow 2 above the fellow. Hence, not understanding the rules in some way. I did notice his second point, but interpreted it as like cosmic dramatic irony or some unknown mechanic due to his vote for DS appearing serious.
The only point of the vote mechanic ability (as far as we know) is to create confusion about vote targets. Up to a point, it is reasonable to be confused, but after that point, your behavior is anti-town at best, either because:
1. You are not reading.
2. You have poor reading comprehension.
3. You are scum overestimating how long it reasonably takes town to figure shit out and are consequently overshooting.
4. You are scum trying to bring confusion.
Still keeping my eye on you.
@Dram
You whine when you see my swears. Then question me about the reduced swearing? V.V. I'd call you a cocksucker but in your case that's a compliment. So I'll throw you some Vagoos to scare the Dram away. "throws Vagooooos"
@Els
Is UK an influence? / Are you a UK alt? !!!
@MO
1.Sorry, I misread your point on SK:
MO wrote:
@ortolan, your entrance to the game is pretty interesting. At some point discussing it will be a good idea; if you're convinced that's not now I can wait.
Fate's initial play is probably too ballsy for scum though I don't know his play well.
I expect SaintKerrigan to find this post suspicious just because I'm the one making it and it's how he reacts to me.
I'd like it if no one was allowed to slip through the cracks participation-wise. I will be taking lurking as scummy; the rest of you can object to that if you like.
Iecerint is perhaps a bit long on talk about the game and filler rather than suspicion but it is clearly a complicated game. He does get some content in with some of his latter posts and although I'm not sure I agree with his directions I can live with it. I don't think he's a good lynch at this time.
rajrhcpfreak on the other hand does look like a nice place to build a bandwagon based on the little I see.
SK should be attacking you, according to this post. You on the other hand find raj a good starting point to begin scum hunting (Seen in bold). Replace SK in my arguments to Raj
Then the transpiration:
MO Attacks Raj, says it's a good start. -> RV Tar because -> Troll tries to cover up that Tar was a simple RV -> Argue argue argu.
Point still valid on detail, Dram's attack sums it better then me. "Ignore the votes due to the other Hydra player" is a poor excuse with people of both your caliber of skill.
2. If you weren't following the people who approved of me then I'd be dissipointed in your scum hunting. If you were genuinely scum hunting then I'd expect you to establish links or establish other persons as scum.]
@Manho
1. So deity factions. Well, judging by the last deity vote split.
Beholder wrote:Worship Results:
Norse Gods: 25%
The Great Old Ones: 25%
Egyptian Gods: 25%
Judeo-Christian Angels: 25%
Gods and god aligned factions are equaled out.
Theory: This means that we have equal amounts of god-aligned people in each faction as it stands and/or gods. This also means that people who claimed to: "I would worship X deity" over "I (have to) worship X deity" don't have specific requirements to worship a deity.
I have a feeling that ungod aligned people didn't worship last night (As I claimed), which brought the even split.
@Mina.
1.Your ortolan case is ok. Except it's based on one post over 1 day. ><;. So here's my arguments to debunk some of yours.
Mina wrote:Sorry to spam the thread, but @Faraday on the ortolan case: Basically, ortolan doesn't do much in that one post beyond make safe comments on the set-up and follow the crowd on Fate.
Not completely true. Ortolan analyzed other players as well.
Ortolan wrote:rajrhcpfreak (78) wrote:
there is a couple of people i already see rising on my scumdar but someone not helping at all and selfvoting is someone that needs to be removed asap.
Scummy. She implied in her post she had a pro-town reason for self-voting and yet you're voting her "for being unhelpful" i.e. actually being scummy which is illogical and opportunistic. Not that I disapprove of her lynch if she wants to be lynched but your stated reason for voting her is not well reasoned.
The response to Raj expands his other scum read on him and his town read on Plum. I don't see much tunneling on Fate with analysis like this.
Saint Kerrigan and Chronopie are more guilty in these posts:
SaintKerrigan wrote:Unvote: rajrhcpfreak.
Vote: Dramonic.
(Fate)
What's with all the OMGUS?
@ Plum: Serious vote for me or no?
SK posted this after Ice attacked Fate for this already. This is more of a scummy piggy back then Ortolan.
Chronopie wrote:4 pages overnight, nice guys.
(Fate)
Considering that there had been several VCs before Fate's posting, not-reading-thread-is-a-scumtell vote. Also, why the scum claim?
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Raj is next on the not-reading-etc list.
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I think we should hold off until later in the day before casting worship votes, but if I had to vote now, it would either be Egyptian or Norse, they have the coolest mythologies.
This is piggy backing of Ice's point about Fate's vote. However its levels above SK's attack considering Chrono also includes the "scum claim" argument. Its much more on the plate, however he drops it quickly to change his vote for MO. I dislike this.
Ortolan has made reads on people, and provided logic behind it. It's more then the "gut players" or general: I'm here posts being made atm.
2. Lurking arguments don't take place over 2 days in a hyper active/inflated game. It might read as ages occuring, this game only lasted for less then 48 hours.
Take into account work/school/social life and time zone diffrences, you should wait. If you're worried about active lurkers
Use this:
http://www.msutils.net/search.php
I just searched Ortolan and the last time he's been on the site was in this game. So he's not active lurking, and it hasn't been long enough to consider him lurking.
EDIT: He made a post (this wall was an ongoing project)
His posts discredit me and bring credit to the Ortolan case. Yay!. What's interesting is:
Ortolan claims he cannot worship :p
The rest is meh, and more meh, and less insight into Orto's thinking.
@Totallynotmafia.
What are your scum reads?
Because, despite answering mechanic and theory questions, you're not actually scum hunting in that recent post. Not at all. I'm giving you a reprieve since its a 12 page catchup, but your next post is a analysis or die post.
Cunts.
@Ice/Nik/Spy
Reread 355. That's not a scum post. Analysis and attempting to draw reads = uber town tell of high heavens. Lynching for information is terribad demonstrated in Brr mafia, where the town lynched town reads for information.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13337
Nik was scum in that game, so him pushing for the lynch is ok. When you go by: I think he;s town but if you kill him its lots of bandwagon info, you generate lynching fodder for the VIs that agreed with it for scum.
Now lynching scummy peoples, that's awesome :3.
@Kai
Ouch. That supervisor is a scummy fucker, who probably can't get some to save his life.
@Spy
OIC. That explain lots now.
@Tar
Disclose when ever you are comfortable bitch.
@J-Scope
You should be shot shot shot shot shot shot with posts like 335 when you list a bunch of reads earlier, but you don't expand on your Ice read via scum hunting. He's your big scum read, do something.
Otherwise, I'd totally shoot this guy to high heavens as fucking scum coasting along.
@Nik
1. If Parama is scum, can we lynch him now?
2. If Parama is scum, can the vig shoot him now?
If there's no more reason to delay a lynch on scum who someone got a result or something of that nature.
Vote: ooba (Par par should totally die)
PS. I commented later I was wrong.
I think I covered everything. If I missed something point it out plz k thanks.
My short list of people that should die:
Parama (Nikanor's claim), SK, MO (dropped down to, person who should be investigated but I'd totally block that too), Jscope
EDIT:
Nikanor wrote:Fate wrote:Tarhalindur is 110% town with that claim and I have a chainsaw waiting for the first moron who has the balls to step up and say "SOUNDS LIKE LYNCHER/3RD PARTY ROLE!"
SOUNDS LIKE USURPER!
manho wrote:why wait until day 4?
I guess we could do it on like, day two. Just in case Parama is the godfather. It was more an arbitrary number than anything else.
Wait what? If Parama is the GF why would you want to wait? It confirms my role information. It'd confirm Tar's role. It'll kill scum. How the hell did Parama is scum become Parmama is GF in the first place >>;, I thought you claimed he was just scum.. That's such an odd statement right there.
If you have something that is a scum result on Parama and you're worried about sanities/role mechanics/shifts we should like nip this in the bud earlier. Spy already confirmed shifting due to his ability.
Anyways, Usurper would be found out the moment the GF dies and Tar lynches him. And the Usurper is scum himself. I'd rather role confirm via normal scum hunting just cause it's fucking confirmable.
@Alter
Dear gods: I want unlimited day vig powers. Please grant them to me or I'll trap you in a Pen with DeathNote. It'll be like fucking a needle