Of Gods And Men (GAME OVER!)

[Albert B. Rampage]

Setup speculation time...how many scum do you think there are?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I want everyone to answer this:

Setup speculation time...how many scum do you think there are?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Setup speculation time...how many scum do you think there are?

Have I mentioned how long it's been? It's always been too long. It depends on whether or not there are multiple scumteams. If one team, eh, I'd put it at six. Maybe maybe seven, but probably not. If two scumteams, perhaps four apeice (but with heavy immunities?) if they're symmetrical and who knows what if they're not, but probably no more than nine total Mafia in either case.

This is not the type of answer I'm looking for. If you had to say how many scum there were, what would you guess it as? Assume there is only one group, plus SK(s).

[Albert B. Rampage]

Or assume there is more than one scumgroup. Just assume and give one answer. Not multiple answers. What is your guess, right now.

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR is town, btw.

FOS: Fate

I didn't do anything town-worthy yet. Either you are sucking up to me -God help you- or you know something I don't. Which is it?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I want everyone to answer this:

Setup speculation time...how many scum do you think there are?

Probably 7-9 scum, with 2-3 third party.

Give ONE precise answer please.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I want everyone to answer this:

Setup speculation time...how many scum do you think there are?

Probably 7-9 scum, with 2-3 third party.

7-9 is multiple answers. I asked for one precise answer. Follow instructions.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You see me gradually becoming more pissed off as I don't see my posts appearing. Hello SK. I have something for you up there comrade.

[Albert B. Rampage]

That's a very good answer SK. I want everyone else to take a shot at the setup as well. Fate, I have an inquiry for you up there as well.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I know something you don't.

Is it an observation you made that I am not aware of? Or is it something else?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I am deliberating whether I want to stay in the

shadows

this game, or go full out and hog the spotlight like Hilary Clinton on

Girls Gone Wild

. What do you want, majority?

I have a very complicated role PM. The good news is that I have a

fool-proof way

of bending this game in the majority's favor, but I need some town coordination with the worships.

Do you guys trust me?

Will you appoint me your chief, citizens?

I won't be mad if you don't, you will be saving me lot of effort. OTOH I just finished my semester so I can seriously devote my time to this game.

See this?



That's me. I'm like Mufasa on Pride Rock. Except in my version, Scar is stuck in a hole somewhere because I catch scum like that. Trust in me like you trust the stars to shine on a cloudless night.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Oh shit, that's not Scar, I think it's Nala's boyfriend. Damn it. See? Let that be a lesson to you. Don't look to me to determine who is scum. But if you trust in my word for the worships, I'll provide you some nice advantages. Rampage for president.

[Albert B. Rampage]

No, actually that's Mufasa's granddaugther's boyfriend. Look, I haven't watched any of the sequels to know these shenanigans. Give me a break, alright?

[Albert B. Rampage]

As the first member of my godly (literally speaking) organization Spyrex, I appoint you to be my

Prise

, or the person in charge of keeping me from going mad with power. You will follow me everywhere I go and whisper "You are just a man" in my ear every time I am praised. My ego is your responsibility now.

I'm not sure about appointing ABR town chief, not without some good assurance that we're making the right decision.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDhThhrd_UY

[Albert B. Rampage]

When we're ready to lynch or a week from deadline, whichever comes first, I will announce which players are eligible for worship from among a pool of at least 15 players, so you will maintain a good margin of choice and the scum won't be able to predict exactly which group gets worshiped.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Ack, confusing role PM. I'll announce which 2 or 3 groups are eligible for worship, my bad.

[Albert B. Rampage]

simulpost btw

I have a passive ability which is a map for the player distribution for the worships and I will have some really good information coming into Day 2. I need to not be targeted by any pro-town forces tonight. Scum can target me it won't matter so rest assured.

[Albert B. Rampage]

That works for me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR, what happened to that question about the number of scum? You claimed you had a plan on what to do with that information, but you seem to have abandoned it in favour of your worship-claiming. (My read on ABR is town, but that one detail niggles at me.

It's relevant but as far as I can see everyone agrees on a 4/4 scum spread +SKs.

Vote: Iecerint

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm voting you Iecerint because you just claimed Norse God out of the blue. I think it's pretty anti-town and deserves a vote.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hmm. So I guess you're saying you're also delirium-immune? Like you're just way above all these fancy vote mechanics?

Actually, my vote didn't appear at all in the VC. Kinetic is looking into it right now.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unless I'm missing something, why would state who you're worshiping unless you're intending some kind of domino effect? Which begs the question, why would you do that for a faction other than your own? Seems very gratuitous and not in a good way.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Re: ABR. I read War in Heaven so I'm leery of him running anything. Just be Very Useful and we're cool.

Hello, Papa Zito. In War in Heaven I wasn't running the show. The majority of the town was against me and Fonz and rofl were -attempting to- lead the town, and it's only because they didn't think I was scummy -yet- that I survived that long. War in Heaven is a good example of when I'm NOT taking charge. Another good example is in Friends and Enemies where I played what I call the "shadow game", that I unfortunately haven't quite mastered yet.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I mean, if you wanted to vote me, you would vote raj. But you didn't. And you don't appear to be braindead. So that you wanted to vote me implies that you think that you're delirium-immune, unless I'm missing something or your vote for me was purely rhetoric or whatever.

The site is slow and I don't know who I'm voting yet.

Did you miss all the players who claimed their worship targets earlier? Refer to my recent post for a condensed summary of the issue.

Hence the domino effect that you are continuing.

[Albert B. Rampage]

??

People claiming who they are going to worship is bad because they are probably going to worship their own faction, which gives insight to who is in what group.

[Albert B. Rampage]

@Mina @Snowbunny

Hehe doesn't matter if you suspect me. There's no way I'm getting lynched in case you didn't notice. As it is, I will have invaluable information for you tomorrow and it's too risky to kill me before that.

@Iecerint @Spyrex

Seems like I'm immune to delirium.

My case against Iecerint isn't "invalidated". He's probably Norse and was trying to either get support for Norse or trying to make people follow his lead and reveal what faction they are from. I don't like that at all.

I'll go ahead and say that I believe Tar's claim. Let's see what else he has to say.

[Albert B. Rampage]

The answer is no. I don't understand the second question.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Oh, right.

Unvote, vote raj

[Albert B. Rampage]

The answer is no. I don't understand the second question.

OK, so.

1. ABR thinks Iec is trying to get people to worship the Norse Gods (using his clever strategy of not wanting anyone to claim worship targets, but w/e).
2. ABR thinks Iec is bad for doing so.
3. ABR thinks it's bad in part because it could reveal players' factions,
4. Which implies that ABR thinks revealing players' factions is a bad thing.
5. But when ABR thought he saw a NG breadcrumb from Iec, he announced it to the class! Huh! I wonder why he did that!

The second question is to indicate why this isn't an example of SX's definition of cognitive dissonance.

I think everyone revealing their faction would be bad, yes.

If one person is so clumsy as to inadvertently point to his faction by proclaiming who he wants to worship, then that is less bad than everyone revealing their faction.

[Albert B. Rampage]

If one person is so clumsy as to inadvertently point to his faction by proclaiming who he wants to worship, then that is less bad than everyone revealing their faction.

OK, then, why are you so excited about me? Why not attack any of the other players who have claimed worship targets? Why not target Els way way back when he brought up the idea? Why not target Els now for being the cause of everything.

Your fixation on me makes no sense.

Well I decided to pick you because the others didn't strike me as being as scummy.

[Albert B. Rampage]

But it also applies to you. So you are scummy.

[Albert B. Rampage]

@Mina

Right now...Iecerint...Fate...hmm...those are the obvious choices for now, will have to think more about the others.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Iecerint is most likely scum at this point.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I like DTM and ortolan so far, I think they're town. I disagree ortolan that their addition to the game shouldn't be discussed. I think it should.

Mina seems fine to me so far. She doesn't look like she has any ulterior motives, at least not yet.

[Albert B. Rampage]

The thing is, Plum, that I find Iecerint pushing a false case on Mina. It doesn't seem like legitimate scumhunting to me. IDK maybe it's because I unconsciously see similarities in the style of play from Iecerint in this game and when he was scum with me before.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Mina, do you feel like Iecerint is pushing a case on you?

[Albert B. Rampage]

People claiming who they are going to worship is bad because they are probably going to worship their own faction, which gives insight to who is in what group.

As I said earlier, locking scum into claims now is good. We don't know if all gods are bad, or what kind of benefit people get if they're worshipped. We don't know the relationship between gods of the same pantheon. Leaving the scum alone with this information and not investigating it seems completely bizarre. There is important information to be gleaned, so let's get to gleaning, I say.

The Gods of a pantheon supposedly know each other, as evidenced by Iecerint saying "I don't share a QT with you" in regards to Fate. They know who they are, which keeps them accountable to one another, but the scum might not. Therefore, gleaning information on this issue is tantamount to role-fishing in the dark with no town benefiting end in sight.

However, I would be curious to know how ortolan and DTM got added to this game because that would be a clear hint to their alignment for me. Locking them into claiming who recruited them or what happened with them would, in this case, be a good thing in my opinion.

[Albert B. Rampage]

@ABR: Why did you say that you didn't need to be targetted by any pro-town forces instead of just saying you didn't need any doc protection? The way you said it seems like you are trying to deter cop investigations and the like as well.

You don't want to know...

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR, please give your plan and lets move forward. PLEASE.

Find someone the majority agrees to lynch and we'll move to the next phase of my plan...

[Albert B. Rampage]

@Albert
1. I'd only claim when the time is right or if my recruiter wants me to. But by now my recruiter is painfully obvious. We share similar traits, quite literally. I have an awesome claim to back it up.

I'll give you a hint: good things happen when the god father gets lynched.

O.K. good.

My preference is to hear ABR's two faction targets before the next infodump, but I'll infodump without it if necessary.

If anyone else wants me to claim my worship targets now instead of before we lynch or a week from deadline like I want to, you may say so now.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Well we can't change our worship choice, once it's sent it's sent. I'm going to unveil the targets now...

And I wish DTM never send in his worship vote.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Worship targets

:

Egyptian Gods
The Old Ones
Judea-Christian Angels

And tomorrow I will give you some fascinating results or I will be held responsible. So please start voting now for one of those three factions before you forget.

[Albert B. Rampage]

@Iecerint

hohoho...that's quite something you're unloading on us there. Nice.

I am deliberating whether I want to stay in the

shadows

this game...

Bold not added, so another crumb from ABR, but this one makes him look like someone different from Sky ("shadow" flavor).

Nope, no "shadow" flavor...the chosen word is a reflection of one of my playstyles:

Re: ABR. I read War in Heaven so I'm leery of him running anything. Just be Very Useful and we're cool.

Hello, Papa Zito. In War in Heaven I wasn't running the show. The majority of the town was against me and Fonz and rofl were -attempting to- lead the town, and it's only because they didn't think I was scummy -yet- that I survived that long. War in Heaven is a good example of when I'm NOT taking charge. Another good example is in Friends and Enemies where I played

what I call the "shadow game"

, that I unfortunately haven't quite mastered yet.

I see you've been working on some theories.

ABR and Sky are 3rd party players who are each associated with specific factions. One of ABR's is GOO, one of Sky's is the Norse gods. Their win condition involves their associated faction(s) "beating" the opposing faction(s) in some way (whether by eliminating them, or by getting more worship than them, or some combination).

"Scum love to hunt for 3rd parties". I believe this quote is quite relevant to your case, isn't it?

Also, Sky's stipulation that we shouldn't worship ABR would work if they knew one another's roles and were opposed in some way.

I know who your faction QT's "Mystery Man" is. An annoying player. He's also one of the Norse Gods and the reason that the Norse should not be worshiped tonight. I hope you understand.

[Albert B. Rampage]

@ Iec: Remind me again exactly what the difference between Ort and CMAR is? And don't give me "because I misvigged him in another game." That's a bad excuse.

None. Oh, ortolan got recruited and CMAR didn't. Woooh.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote

[Albert B. Rampage]

Could be ortolan just forgot about this game.

[Albert B. Rampage]

So did Sky come out and say who Sky was yet?

mod: prod ortolan

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm town-aligned.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I do...

And I don't rat out people that could be on my side..

[Albert B. Rampage]

Your focus needs more focus.

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR is probably still scum, though.

Haha

Good luck trying to lynch me, you witless cockroach.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I feel important by accusing ABR blablabla

/ignore

[Albert B. Rampage]

Vote Ortolan

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote Ortolan, vote CMAR

[Albert B. Rampage]

O.K. no one pro-town should target me tonight or my plan might fail

[Albert B. Rampage]

I collected the promised information last night. Now I have some good news and some bad news.

What do you want to hear first?

[Albert B. Rampage]

The bad news is that we are dealing with a cult. A "modified cult", to be specific; whatever that means. I suspect this cult is what Spyrex called the Endless.

And it appears that they have recruited last night because there are now 4 neutrals in the game.

There are 15 town, 4 neutrals and 6 scum in this game. Among these players currently in the game, there are 5 alignments in total. That means that besides the town and the mafia, we are dealing with a modified lyncher (likely Tar and DTM), the aforementioned modified cult, and a "modified survivor".

The good news is that if there are only 4 neutrals at the moment, the cult didn't succeed in recruiting anyone yesterday if you do the math.

[Albert B. Rampage]

The bad news is that we are dealing with a cult. A "modified cult", to be specific; whatever that means. I suspect this cult is what Spyrex called the Endless.

And it appears that they have recruited last night because there are now 4 neutrals in the game.

There are 15 town, 4 neutrals and 6 scum in this game. Among these players currently in the game, there are 5 alignments in total. That means that besides the town and the mafia, we are dealing with a modified lyncher (likely Tar and DTM), the aforementioned modified cult, and a "modified survivor".

The good news is that if there are only 4 neutrals at the moment, the cult didn't succeed in recruiting anyone yesterday if you do the math.

There was a pause between writing the two parts of this post when I was on the phone. Which led me to a momentary lapse. Ignore the striked phrase.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Are you in a position to tell us why pro-town targeting you might have messed you up?

I will have more detailed information on Day 3 but the members of this town has to keep trusting me.

I'm assuming that you're saying DTM+Tar leaves 2 neutrals, one of which is in the Cult and one of which is the modified survivor?

That's the logic I came to.

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR, are you in a position to tell why you excluded the Norse Gods from worship?

I don't want to do this now.

Also, why did you ask us to estimate number of scum?

I though it might be a good way to find scumtells for when I did confirm the number of scum. It would also have been interesting if anyone was spot on. Now I dunno.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Maybe it was Nikanor who was supposed to die but the action got shifted.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Because it was brought up now?

[Albert B. Rampage]

@ ABR, your census taking is a daybreak ability? I thought it would make more sense as a twilight ability. Find it strange that it adds up to 25 instead of 28.

It's Daybreak. I assume that it only takes into account the 25 that are alive.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Judeo-C Angels tonight for worship

[Albert B. Rampage]

Tomorrow (Day 3) we worship Norse

[Albert B. Rampage]

Whatever just don't worship Old Gods or Norse

[Albert B. Rampage]

I love it when a plan comes together

[Albert B. Rampage]

Tar will probably become the next Godfather if he succeeds in killing the original one lol

[Albert B. Rampage]

@ ABR, your census taking is a daybreak ability? I thought it would make more sense as a twilight ability. Find it strange that it adds up to 25 instead of 28.

It's Daybreak. I assume that it only takes into account the 25 that are alive.

did you get a census when the game began?

No. I must meet a set of pre-determined conditions in order to use my abilities.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hang on...

The bad news is that we are dealing with a cult. A "modified cult", to be specific; whatever that means. I suspect this cult is what Spyrex called the Endless.

And it appears that they have recruited last night because there are now 4 neutrals in the game.

There are 15 town, 4 neutrals and 6 scum in this game. Among these players currently in the game, there are 5 alignments in total. That means that besides the town and the mafia, we are dealing with a modified lyncher (likely Tar and DTM), the aforementioned modified cult, and a "modified survivor".

The good news is that if there are only 4 neutrals at the moment, the cult didn't succeed in recruiting anyone yesterday if you do the math.

I know you crossed that bit out after but when you say "there are now..." does that mean you knew what the setup was N1?

No I didn't.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Al, d'ya think Sky's the cult leader (y/n/m)?

Definitely not.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't really answer to "Al"...that must be way I didn't see your query.

[Albert B. Rampage]

vla couple days

[Albert B. Rampage]

How do you know a cult is in the game? I just read you census as 4 neutrals. If the pool didn't go up, how do you know that cult didn't recruit. With S_B's play and your slip of survivor: doesn't it make more sense to have a survivor/SK :S.

I know there are 4 players among these 3 factions: Modified Lyncher, Modified Cult, Modified Survivor. If you and DTM indeed share the same win condition of modified lyncher, then there's still a survivor to account for which leads the cult with only 1 member. However, it is possible that cult recruiting is a Daybreak action also, and resolved after my census.

[Albert B. Rampage]

so YO ABR, Albert, Rampage, would your census diferentiate between SK and survivor?

Yes it does.

[Albert B. Rampage]

But we have no idea what "modified" means. They could have a kill. They could have a win condition that all gods die and they survive.

[Albert B. Rampage]

The fact that no one has come out and claimed survivor yet makes me think that they are definitely hiding something bad.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Survivors want town to win so they don't get killed by mafia...also smart way to dodge NKs.

[Albert B. Rampage]

There you have it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

UNVOTE: Chronopie
VOTE: Fate

Hope you're a jester fate

[Albert B. Rampage]

I can't say I hate the Blaze wagon

[Albert B. Rampage]

Haha he actually did it. He quoted from his QT.

Now he is dead.

Good riddance.

I will have even more important information to reveal tomorrow, but once again, I need to not be targeted by any pro-town powers. Worship Egyptian or JC Angels only.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I hadn't seen the lynch yet when I posted, even though I correctly predicted Blaze's modkill so it may seem that way. Sorry. Won't post anymore..can't do anything for simulposts though

[Albert B. Rampage]

I wouldn't be too surprised if ABR flipped cult leader, tbh.

Nobody knew there was a cult in the first place until I outed it. Unfortunately, I don't have any revelations today. I might have been roleblocked or something.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You have done nothing all game Nikanor.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Lottery: Cloak

[Albert B. Rampage]

I also believe Percy was scum. We have to wait until tomorrow to confirm.

Nikanor, not everyone was blocked last night...the two corpses are evidence of that. Thanks for following the game though.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think no one was blocked last night, instead the block works for today and tonight.

[Albert B. Rampage]

@Albert B. Rampage, do you know if the conditions for you to use your abilities have been achieved in general (either by them being public enough for you to know or by being informed that they've been achieved or not)? Could lack of something there be what caused you not to get your information?

Well...yeah. If someone pro-town targetted me last night, it could potentially have made my ability fail to function...but why would someone do that?

[Albert B. Rampage]

@Parama, I'm aware that Percy was replaced by inHimshallibe and that he's been lynched and is almost certainly the godfather, yes. [sarcasm]Thank you for stepping in before Albert B. Rampage or Fate had a chance to show their awareness of all that. It was particularly helpful of you.[/sarcasm]

I also believe Percy was scum. We have to wait until tomorrow to confirm.

...

[Albert B. Rampage]

Percy is an easier to remember name. Day 1 Egyptian, Day 2 JCA. Massclaim is bad for town. Scum could be totallynotmafia.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm in love with my life. Mafiascum dropped down my list of priorities. This is my explanation for not having too many original ideas.

[Albert B. Rampage]

[ABR] said he got nothing last night and he also says he thinks no one was blocked last night. Yay that doesn't add up ABR

Yes I meant that there was no global blocked but I may still have been blocked or JK'd.

[Albert B. Rampage]

What are the reasons for a massclaim again?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Rolename: Loki
God\Mortal: God
Worship vote N1: Egyptian
Worship vote N2: JCA
Faction: Norse
Abilities:

Daybreak:

Hack the system

: census ability

Summon Fenrir

: can summon a player with my alignment from the replacement list (was planning on summoning pom) if Norse isn't worshiped for 2 consecutive days not counting the first day

Rapid:

Deceptive

: I have a hidden vote I can use by PM'ing Kinetic. I don't use this one because I'm not scum, but I can demonstrate if necessary

Passive:

Scum of the universe

: I'm a miller. Mod reveals me as "Loki, the Trickster" and "Guilty" upon any sane investigations conducted upon me

N1 target: Hack the System
N2 target: Hack the System (failed)
Ability (if your faction gets worship votes): Hated by All (I can't use any abilities if Norse is worshiped highest)

Explanation of my play:

First of all I asked pro-town players not to waste targeting me because I'm a miller. Second of all, my abilities become useless if Norse are worshiped highest, which is why I tried to manipulate the worship against Norse for at least 2 days. I have access to the Norse QT. I am Sky. Iecerint is scum, as I've said from the very beginning but no one has been willing to listen to me until now. I am the only one in the Norse to know that there is at least one scum for sure in our group and I suspected it was Iecerint from the very beginning which is why I never posted in it.

Unvote, vote Iecerint

[Albert B. Rampage]

I am 95% sure that Iecerint is the scum godfather.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I am 95% sure that Iecerint is the scum godfather.

^not reading the thread^

It makes sense. Why would he have a bulletproof ability if not to defend against the lyncher? A lot of small things adding up to this theory as well.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Well Iecerint is the cult leader.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Holy crap - I just got a second PM from Beholder.

Inhimshallibe was the MAFIA GODFATHER. (Yes, that means I am now Town.) Snow_Bunny, if that was you... good shot.

Let's get to winning this.

Oh O.K. I just saw this. Shoulda made this post more dramatic *grumblegrumble*

I have indeed suspected that Odin was the scum godfather, which is why I asked as sky who was Odin. Oh well, sorry Iecerint.

Unvote, vote Fate

[Albert B. Rampage]

Why didn't you just post as ABR in-QT up-front?

Give us more information about what you know about scum in our QT. Also, why didn't you come out with said information in-thread?

Because I knew that there was scum in our group...since I was Loki, I assumed the scum was Odin.

[Albert B. Rampage]

No, but it was an intelligent guess.

[Albert B. Rampage]

No, I know that there isn't a jester in this game so you're a goner fate.

[Albert B. Rampage]

O.K. so I thought that Percy (Inhim) was town since I saw Kinetic reveal him as "Role Cop", so that left only you Iecerint. I was pretty sure the godfather was hanging in our QT.

Anyway, you may well still be the cult leader but since there's a global block there's no need to grill you now since the cult ain't getting any new members. They should be at about 1 or 2 by now, which is not yet a threat.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yes, what you said. I am Too Human.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Listen, I used to obsess over mafia games, and think about them at work or in the bus. That doesn't happen to me anymore.

I'm trying to skim most of the thread but sometimes information will slip me by, like how I thought we were worshiping players and not factions.

[Albert B. Rampage]

No one is exempt from the census. There is no targeting. It never lies when it comes through and anyone trying to talkshit should be executed.

Zorblag is scum. Xite is scum. Vote them to lynch.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, Vote Mighty Orbots

[Albert B. Rampage]

Die Zorblag, DIE DIE DIE.

[Albert B. Rampage]

@Albert B. Rampage, so if I'm scum with Xite91 who are our partners?

Also, does your Census ability work on people who are in Limbo?

-Zorblag R`Lyeh

Probably not if you're removed from the game.

Partners are probably the very person you are defending who is claiming a different win condition. He's scum with you too. And for the rest we'll have to see.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I was blocked on N2, I will be global blocked on N3. Why did you global block us again??

[Albert B. Rampage]

You'll note he was also calling for a Norse worship on day three despite the fact that it appears that he wouldn't want that just by his role.

I was bluffing so Iecerint wouldn't suspect me to be sky. In my mind Iecerint was the scum and not Inhim.

[Albert B. Rampage]

1) I don't understand the wall mina posted at all

2) I don't care for MO's questions. He of all people should know I'm not scum.

3) If I was the cult leader I would never have even said there was a cult.

[Albert B. Rampage]

That's not WIFOM, Parama.

If I don't say anything, you don't even know there's a cult.

If I say something, now you know there's a cult and it can be anyone. Doesn't make it more likely to be me at all. And besides, when I die, I show up guilty, not "cult".

WIFOM is when you do something expecting someone else to react in a certain way. Now that person tries to outguess what they thought you thought they would think. Two completely different scenarios.

Furthermore, why would I purposely try to get NK'd by claiming powerful abilities on Day 1 and asking town not to protect me or anything? It's because I'm expandable. Now do you really want to waste a lynch on me?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I can't summon anyone if Norse are worshiped.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm disengaged because I'm not going to play mafia anymore after my games end. I don't spend much time on the computer anymore except when I'm writing articles or browsing for a new laptop.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Oh I already PM'd Mith about that a few days ago.

[Albert B. Rampage]

This site is about *this* close to becoming a bigger headache than it is worth.

[Albert B. Rampage]

@Iec

because he played with me alot

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm also still suspicious of ABR, namely because the earlier answer of "you don't want to know" as to why no pro-town roles should target him doesn't really fit with him being a miller, I mean, I don't see the downside to knowing he was a miller earlier and in fact it probably would have been beneficial to know he was a miller in advance. However, there is a way we can confirm ABR, which is as long as we don't worship Norse again, tomorrow he can use his ability to bring someone into the game and seeing as they will have the same allignment as him, we can either NK the newcomer straight away via S_B and thus determine ABR's allignment or alternitavely just wait to see if that happens naturally down the track. ABR, if you weren't already planning to do it, do you agree that using that ability tomorrow would be ideal?

It's interesting that ABR benefits when Norse don't have the vote and Iecrint benefits when they do, though i'm not sure if this means they are likely to be of opposing factions or if they may actually be on the same side and it's just a balance thing. ABR and Iec, what do you guys think?

Yes I agree.

I think Iec could be town or cult or scum. I don't think our conditions should determine what our alignment is because I don't try to outguess the mod.

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR are you "Too Human"? aka worship votes count as 2 i.e mortals vote ..?

Yes I am Too Human

[Albert B. Rampage]

Vote: Raj

[Albert B. Rampage]

People: Why is Raj scum? It's not that I think him town, I just really don't know what's going on, and why he's scum.

Well he says he has a different win condition than town and my census on Night 1 says otherwise. He probably missed what I said so he said that and he's scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

messaged the mod to get clarification why Too Human is left off what i got, and essentially its the source (the video game) but not the power.

Might Orbots is doing well so i will add so some of these/comment on them

@ooba, the too human bit we got from the mod about BlazezRb on his flip would have been his universe rather than the actual ability I think. That'd match the Stargate for SaintKerrigan and Sandman for SpyreX for example. Given what I can tell from the flavor of the game I could see Thor not having that passive ability (he was mostly cybernetic.) Your character in particular is the one that is too human in the game based on the description.

@Iecerint, rajrhpcfreak probably did use the ability he's described on BlazezRb's corpse once it hit the graveyard (given that we know it was there for a time and it got removed.) I'm inclined to think that he's giving essentially true information about it as there's no good reason for him to be lying and he's giving the sort of information that I expect to get from my autopsy ability which should be the same thing except that apparently it happens at a different stage of the death cycle (mine works before they get to the graveyard.)

@Albert B. Rampage, it wasn't rajrhpcfreak that said he had a different win condition than the rest of us that was Xite91 (who says they don't have access to it yet if memory serves.) rajrhpcfreak is a good vote now because they're not doing anything that helps the town that I can see. Previously there was also some fishiness about the claim but that seems to add up now except that there's no reason I can think of for it to take town so long to get around to sharing the coroner stuff with the rest of us when there was clearly confusion about what BlazezRb's abilities and hammer were doing.

@rajrhcpfreak, why didn't you share that information about BlazezRb right away? Why make it look like you were going to be getting it later?

@DarkStalker, I said it before but I'll say it again here. Leaving rajrhcpfreak alive on the grounds that after a recruit Albert B. Rampage can use his census ability to tell what the alignment of the replacement has to be is a poor idea...

+ooba, yes too human is the universe, is there a reason for people to post the universe when if you are a god then you are from the same universe as the other gods in your area.

+iec, nothing more to add than the fact that i have no reason to lie about my ability. anyone that thinks im lying about it is a moron and anyone who is picking out the symantic of the too human is nitpicking which is usually a scum tell or bad town play usually a sign of tunneling. would you rather i copy the role i got straight from the mod so i can get modkilled?

+ABR, yeah im pretty sure i didnt say i had a different win condition so please stop adding that in your arguements. on the arguements im not helping, i am being completely open about my investigation and willing to help the town.

@mighty, why not? i was lazy for one. i wasnt for a claim so i was just claiming what i needed. actually just waiting for someone to ask. i had it the whole morning but it wasnt going into the graveyard until i released it. i guess after i ran my examinations on the body i stole. since this was my first role i was able to get i didnt know when it was going to show up for the town to see. since i had until the end of the day to release it i assumed that it would show up then. apparently i was wrong.

+DS, i love the idea of proving myself but thats just because i get a few more nights. it might be a poor idea of only keeping me around for that reason, but if there is someone scummier then wouldnt it make sense to pick that person and allow me to prove myself.


other thoughts there are alot of late joiners that are scum busing. but you all can deal with that after i die.

Oh. Well I stand corrected.

Unvote, vote Xite

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote Xite

[Albert B. Rampage]

I doubt he is unlynchable forever. Probably 1-shot.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Mina I already answered that. I said no. No one in the game is exempt, but if you're out of the game then you don't count.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hack the system is 1-shot. I thought it might increase by 1% the chance of mafia/cult killing me if they knew otherwise. So ya. 1-shot. I can't use it anymore.

We can assume the cult is at 2 members.

Papa Zito is obviously a dumbass until he says why I'm scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yes well I can trick people with my secret vote.

[Albert B. Rampage]

If Norse aren't worshiped for two days in a row excluding the first, I can activate my summon fenrir ability.

If Norse are worshiped, I can't use any ability at all.

So I used HTS at the beginning when I knew Norse definitely wouldn't be worshiped and I figured we could just guess the numbers of each alignment by deduction.

[Albert B. Rampage]

@Albert B. Rampage, do you expect that you will be able to recruit a new player tonight given how worship has gone?

Yes I do.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Two words: Real Life

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote Chronopie

[Albert B. Rampage]

What has DS claimed again?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, Vote: DarkStalker

[Albert B. Rampage]

Thanks man. Nothing but mutual respect here.