Lay of Leithian Mafia: Game Over!

[curiouskarmadog]

checking in.....

vote Sensfan,

I am sure that we are about to argue anyway.

[curiouskarmadog]

updating post coming tomorrow morning. (maybe tonight if you bitches are lucky)

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Updating from page 2 my random vote. Typing as reading.

All hydras please sign…no hydra excuses excepted.

FoS: Farside and Kmd

for giving someone an unrestricted free pass to towndom on page five.

xvart.

uuuhhh, is that what they did?

Caught up and there wasn’t much to update…I understand the wagon on xvart, I don’t understand those who don’t understand the wagon. Going to get rid of this policy/random vote on Sens (but dont pull your usual lurking/not reading the game BS).

Unvote.

Vote Elscouta.

Why are you attacking someone for joining a bandwagon. Why is it scummy Day 1? Why was it worth commenting on when so many have already joined the wagon (which I approve of fyi). Do you still like you Anon vote? Why? If you had to put a % on Xvart being town versus scum..what would it be?

[curiouskarmadog]

yyyeeeeeaaaahhh

I was back and forth on voting Jack...that last vote though...really?

unvote, vote Jack

[curiouskarmadog]

You guys don't find cyberbob scummy at all?

nope.

[curiouskarmadog]

post coming on friday..it looks like for the time being...my posts will be on the weekends.

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Catching up from about page 11, got some time…

stop being bad at this game

this coming from cobalt is a fucking joke

Content is such a buzzword.

Cobalt isn't particularly playing different from the game I saw him as town in.

giving him a cookie from bad play?..have you ever seen him as scum?..if not, why bring this up? Also, content isnt a buzzword.

I would be interested in running up another wagon and see if Budja jumps on it, too.

interesting statement...this REALLY is sticking out to me. At this point post (289) Jack has 4 votes. Cobalt just has 2. You express suspicion on Jack in the post with an FOS, but you vote cobalt instead? So why not vote Jack to "run up a wagon" and see if Bud jumps on it?

CKD abandoned her third post of the day and only serious case with a weaksauce "I've been back and forth on Jack...that last vote though...". I think in Jack's opinion the vote is fairly obvious given the context of the discussion the previous day. CKD, what made you go back and forth previously?

your play in general...I have seen you being unhelpful before, but your last vote (before I voted you) was pathetic. to me, it seems like you are going out of your way to scum hunt. also, I would like to see pressure on you..see what happens. I likes your vagon zee best.

I can easily see CKD as being opportunistic.

how so? You don’t like wagons? Why? You feel like your vote on Meh is(was) doing something?

ckd post 188 why are you voting for elscouta here?

the quote you posted explains it dear. I didnt like his attack of a bandwagon on day 1....it seems like an attempt to look town. wagons on day 1 are great...I would love to argue theory with anyone who disagrees. that being said, i dont like wagons based on jack (thinks there is a pun here). Even on day 1..there should be reasons people want to apply pressure to someone.

still see no reason to unvote cyberbob
jack is appealing though

why?

Ooh, I really don't like xvart now. That post is terrible. Maybe I should do something more useful with my vote.

unvote, vote:xvart

first thing jack has said that I actually agree with (in reference to 363). jack what about that post did you find "terrible" I am curious.

[curiouskarmadog]

unvote

, going to try to catch up today.

[curiouskarmadog]

Catching up from page 20.

I would be interested in running up another wagon and see if Budja jumps on it, too.

interesting statement...this REALLY is sticking out to me. At this point post (289) Jack has 4 votes. Cobalt just has 2. You express suspicion on Jack in the post with an FOS, but you vote cobalt instead? So why not vote Jack to "run up a wagon" and see if Bud jumps on it?

It was more of an observational post, rather than a real "experiment;" regardless, at the time of my post, Budja had already set himself up to jump on the two next largest wagons (Jack and Cyberbob) either by direct statement or FoS's so running up Jack's wagon wouldn't really do anything for my suggested "experiment."

this post alone give you permission to do the exact same thing you are suggesting Bud is doing. By jumping on a wagon, you can always say you were doing an "experiment". But that isnt my problem with the post...my problem is that I felt you were overlooking Jack (lack of a jack vote) when he was being quite scummy.

Content is such a buzzword.

Cobalt isn't particularly playing different from the game I saw him as town in.

giving him a cookie from bad play?..have you ever seen him as scum?..if not, why bring this up?

you post right after I posted this, but you didn’t answer the question. Why? Still want an answer.

How did I misrepresent you? I didn't even make a direct comment about you or say Budja does this or Budja does that. A little defensive?

You were basically full of it? i.e. you were clearly accusing him of being wagon happy, but we he called you on that claim you tried to dodge it and accuse him of being defensive.

this is a good point.

++
Page 23, not liking the Xof wagon. Especially the votes from cobalt, Els, and ooba……..and SPS.

At this point, Jack is moving down my scum list.

Unvote, Vote: Drippereth

interesting vote..why?

++

SPS, is a better wagon.

KMD and Elscouta are scum. Just sayin'

I would be fine with a Els wagon, too.

We are 26 pages in and I don't see a solid case built on anyone. I am ashamed of the lack there of scum hunting. Lets go peoples.

WTF?

Also a FFFF wagon.

Haha, I knew someone would say that to me

Okay I liked the Xvart train better than the xtalt

WTF?

SPS, is such a better wagon...bad votes, lack of anything, scumdar is tingling kids.....and according to my wiki, I am right 56% of the time.

Vote SPS.

[curiouskarmadog]

SPS wagon should rally.

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I have evidence on J-scope that is all I have to say about that one..

uhhhh...what?...if you have something to go on...this needs to be addressed.

revive: farside.

[curiouskarmadog]

roll information or flavor info?

[curiouskarmadog]

vote j-scope.

jscope thoughts?

Vote Count 2 - 01: Lynch

Jack - 1 - Steam-Powered Shovel
Nachomamma8 - 1 - Jack
J-Scope -

4

- FeFiFoFum, Budja, Iecerint, curiouskarmadog

Not Voting (16): Drippereth, Kmd4390, Starbuck, MehPlusRawr, SpyreX, Papa Zito, Cyberbob, xvart, Anon, Nachomamma8, SensFan, Cobalt, ooba, SocioPath, Elscouta, J-Scope

With 22 players alive it'll take 11 to lynch and 11 to no-Lynch.

Vote Count 2 - 01: Revive

farside22 -

7

- Steam-Powered Shovel, Budja, FeFiFoFum, SpyreX, MehPlusRawr, curiouskarmadog, Iecerint

Not Voting (15): Drippereth, Kmd4390, Starbuck, Papa Zito, Cyberbob, xvart, Anon, Nachomamma8, Jack, SensFan, Cobalt, ooba, SocioPath, Elscouta, J-Scope

With 22 players alive it'll take 11 to revive. If a player has over 11 to Revive, the choice is locked in and that player will be revived and return to the game proper when the lynch resolves.

Vote Count 2 - 01: Destroy

xofelf -

7

- Steam-Powered Shovel, Budja, Jack, FeFiFoFum, SpyreX, MehPlusRawr, Iecerint

Not Voting (15): Drippereth, Kmd4390, Starbuck, Papa Zito, Cyberbob, xvart, Anon, Nachomamma8, curiouskarmadog, SensFan, Cobalt, ooba, SocioPath, Elscouta, J-Scope


With 22 players alive it'll take 11 to revive. If a player has over 11 to Destroy, the choice is locked in and that player will move

Beyond the Circles of the World

when the lynch resolves.

Please note that the Revive and Destroy explanation text has been edited to reflect the rules as they're stated in the opening posts. This was a minor screw-up on my part.

[curiouskarmadog]

I think Jscope is a good vote.

I also dont think we need a full claim from FFFF, at this point. If we kill Jscope and discover he is town, there is no amount of bullshit, back tracking, or "I didnt understand X" that will save FFFF.

[curiouskarmadog]

FFFF, are you going to claim anything else today? If you are correct, the scum are going to be after you anyway, so why not claim?

[curiouskarmadog]

before we lynch jscope...can we check to make sure everyone has voted to revive farside...if you have not or dont plan to revive farside, I would like to know why.

also, a jscope claim is NOW in order.

[curiouskarmadog]

Not unless i am reading something wrong

eeeehhhhh....

maybe you should read again to make sure?

[curiouskarmadog]

unvote

, for now.

WTF?

lets make sure I understand this.

farside (who apparently is super popular) was killed.
ffff says jscope targetted farside by "watching"
ffff claims no one else targetted farside.
ooba claims that he also targetted farside with some unknown ability.

ooba, did you get some result with your ability? meaning are you certian it went through?

jscope, did you target farside last night?

[curiouskarmadog]

crosspost...

uhhh, ooba, if farside was not targetted with anything, why is she dead?

[curiouskarmadog]

also i am confused...ooba, you can only see actions when the "targeter chooses to do something to the target"...so there are actions you cant see? can you see who did the targetting? also, I think death is "something to the target" dont you?

[curiouskarmadog]

Role info on ability.

Um what this is obviously bullshit

There's literally no ROLE INFO on abillity that could lead you to believe we're scum. At all. Simplest explanation = you're lying.

Vote Fefifofum

DID YOU TARGET FARSIDE?

also..when you are "we're"..who are you talking about?

[curiouskarmadog]

Role info on ability.

Um what this is obviously bullshit

There's literally no ROLE INFO on abillity that could lead you to believe we're scum. At all. Simplest explanation = you're lying.

Vote Fefifofum

DID YOU TARGET FARSIDE?

also..when you are "we're"..who are you talking about?

edited: when you SAY "we're"

[curiouskarmadog]

J-Scope is a hydra. They have been referring to themselves as "we're" and such for awhile now.

well that makes since....thought I caught a slip.

[curiouskarmadog]

well, given ooba's explanation..it sounds like he should have been able to see a.) ffff target farside (if he did), and b.) jscope target farside (if he did)

given ffff's explanation, it sounds like he should have been able to see ooba target farside (if he did).

I think someone is lying.

[curiouskarmadog]

it is a little premature to be talking about combining anything tonight.

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didn't target farside, reading back.

well, there is it..

it is between FFFF and jscope. unless of course there is some bullshit role that changes choices....jscope...did you target ANYONE last night? I dont want to know your role(at this point)..just if you did.

[curiouskarmadog]

Jack what are your thoughts on all this?

Why are you specifically asking him?

also this.

[curiouskarmadog]

Jack what are your thoughts on all this?

Why are you specifically asking him?

also this.

xpost...so I guess you are implying you targetted jack last night....

[curiouskarmadog]

ok, so jack is covering for jscope's actions..noted.

vote ffff

[curiouskarmadog]

Also, no one targetted J-Scope last night .

how do you know that?

[curiouskarmadog]

Because I did lie.

I watched J-Scope last night.
He was targetted by no one.
But Since I have the Silmaril I am able to track as well.
I saw him Target Farside.

yep....dont believe this at all.

[curiouskarmadog]

@ els I'm not rolefishing Im stating concrete information about my role that pertains to oobas as well.

lying is concrete information?

[curiouskarmadog]

just I am having problems with FFFFscum's play.

on the surface if he is scum, it is incredibly horrible play. Unless his purpose was to draw out counter claims and rolefish...that has been done. If that however, is the case, then the scum dont have a problem sacking one of their own to get this accomplished, which probably means that xof is town...or they feel like the FFFF loss will reep better benefits.

this being said.

the fact that Jack mostly confirms Jscope's action.

and ooba doesnt confirm FFFF's claim of jscope's action..

the choice seems to be obvious, right?

is there something I am missing...as starbuck, points out, I could be missing something else.

[curiouskarmadog]

not sure why anyone is seeing FFFF town at this point.

not only has he lied multiple times...but he also claim to have the Sim...which could have cause whoever might actually have the Sim to counter claim. he has already outed a lot of people.

DGB dear, explain to me why you feel ffff is town...name his protown actions.

also, am i scum? why or why not.

[curiouskarmadog]

Revive J-Scope
Destory FFFF

KMD and Bob (and whoever voted to revive anyone else but J-scope) J-scope was forced to claim yesterday and we know he is some sort of power role. Then he is killed. Why are you voting anyone else to revive?

[curiouskarmadog]

Uhhhh I'm not enthused.

We need to decide on a single one to revive I think. I'm not sure if that means the other three become the dead dead or not though.

what is the point of "destory" then?

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posting with crapass phone. ffff should be modkilled...and we should be able to destory someone else...his alignment info is important in regards to who to revive and destory.

dont think i understand why kmd is still reviving drip

more later

[curiouskarmadog]

vote kmd

[curiouskarmadog]

is there an easier way to review passed vote counts that dont involve scanning page by page?

[curiouskarmadog]

Mod, here on out, can I request a vote count in a post?

[curiouskarmadog]

spry?

I am scum?

why is that? first i have heard that from you....give me a couple reasons so we can banter.

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also spry, please assign the kills last night..you can guess, I am just curious.

[curiouskarmadog]

sry for triple post..when I say assign, I mean what was SK, Vig, Mafia, other?

[curiouskarmadog]

quick semi-drunk post.

will respond to farside's post (if she wants me to) though I dont feel like those "really scummy" posts werent scummy at all. will explain later..\

I was curious what spy would say...to me..the jscope kill was an obvious scum kill, Els...a vig hit, was curious if he would say different and why.

also, disappointed that SPy didnt back up his "you are scum" post with anything, but find it interesting that Far comes out of no where (much like spy) with a CKD is scummish post right after I ask SPy to explain....rub anyone else strange?

[curiouskarmadog]

spy, far, and bud all in the same page out of no where..

this is the strangest nonwagon ever...

is this because I brought up the fact that people should be reviving jscope, and I wanted those who werent voting for him to explain why? Am I making people angry?

Spy and Bud, both are saying that they are getting scum vibes off me for lurker reasons.....too easy kids, you cant just say that to leave yourself open to jump on a possible future wagon....

Spy and Bud, farside has posted some posts of mine she feels are scummy....do you agree with her...do you feel they are scummy too?..why or why not? if you do agree with her, why not mention them as well when saying I am scummy for no reason?

[curiouskarmadog]

CKD I had one link I found scummy and reading your other views I want you to explain the scummy post. I had a few questions too. Drunk post noted.

will read it more thoroughly tomorrow..and reply

Vote Count 3 - 07: Lynch

Steam-Powered Shovel -

4

- Jack, SpyreX, MehPlusRawr, Budja
xvart - 2 - Iecerint, Kmd4390
Iecerint -

4

- SocioPath, Cyberbob, Starbuck, Papa Zito
Jack - 1 - Steam-Powered Shovel
Kmd4390 - 2 - farside22, curiouskarmadog
Budja - 1 - xvart

Not Voting (4): Anon, SensFan, Cobalt, ooba

With 18 players alive it'll take 10 to lynch and 9 to no-Lynch.

[curiouskarmadog]

off to bed, will post tomorrow.

Actually

unvote, vote CKD

.
I don't like the weird paranoia, lurky thing you've got going on. (Horrible gut-feeling too, so weak and passive, unassuming feels off? Anyone else get this?)
Better wagon.

interesting....well not really, lurking am I? Budja care to compare our content, post count, or actual protown actions in this game? Or are you just hoping people will join a hypocrite without a case?

first SPS vote.....now mine...throwing shit against a wall until you find something that sticks?

[curiouskarmadog]

Got some time (later than Sunday sorry) to post.

Still doing reads in iso. I'm sorry I'm not further ahead work has been just terrible.

CKD: post 661 why the vote on SPS?
POST 715 this is super scummy. Considering that there may not be a flip you want to lynch Jscope without further info.
post 719 sudden change from no where.
post 726 you really need to explain post 715 at this point
post 766 why is it between FFF and jscop when Ooba already claimed he saw no one target me with any abilities?
Why did you vote Kmd?

I have a feeling looking at Ckd in iso I may want to read what dripp had to say. I don't like Ckd's play day 2 on the FFF views. I felt like some of his post were coaching FFF example
Plus he obviously saw FFF was caught in a lie but still withheld his vote on FFF till much later.
I'm not liking CKD's play thus far.

In reference to SPS, mostly a gut (explained somewhat in post you linked)at the time. Also, I didn’t like the Xof wagon and some of those pushing it. I felt the reasons were poor and it just smelt of Scum pushing “Day 1 we have little to go on bullshit”. Turns out I was right, at least about Xof.

In reference to 715, what was scummy about it? At that time, he claimed he had information about JScope. There WAS no reason for him to claim fully. I already had everything I needed from FFFF to make my decision…it wasn’t flavor but role info(which I asked in 696)…anything else was unneeded. At the time, my thought process was “Why provide scum additional information?”

In reference to 719, Started to think about it, something ooba said in 716 made me think. It made since to me, that if FFFF was truthful, scum would be going after him anyway. I was curious what FFFF’s thoughts were on the matter..at that point, if he said he didn’t want “give scum extra info” that would have been enough for me….it wasnt a complete reversal. Meaning, I was still going to vote Jscope full claim or not.

In reference 726, uuuhhhhh….what don’t you understand about this post dear? I wanted everyone to revive you before anyone “accidently” lynched Jscope and you weren’t revived. I wanted Jscope’s FULL CLAIM, because he was the one someone had a “guilty” on. Not sure what you don’t understand. A cop claims to have a guilty…that person is strung up and a claim is asked for he dies…at this point, there was nothing going on that was any different.

In reference to 766, not sure what you are asking. The lynch (in my view) was between FFFF and jscope. One of the two was lying. I didn’t feel that Ooba’s counter was enough to go on, a lot of factors. I needed additional information to make an informed vote.


I voted KMD, because of his refusal to revive Jscope. That revival should be obvious. But his first vote of the day was to revive drip. AND (mostly importantly) I didn’t like his jump on the wagon yesterday at the end..…the “soft claim” of information was unneeded and looked bullshitish…

which brings me to...


KMD can you explain why you didn’t vote FFFF earlier in the day? Where was this info earlier in the day when you were agreeing with FFFF?. FInally "if FFFF was telling the truth" why is it a good idea to lynch him?

I am the town watcher and Watched farside get targetted by j-scope

Vote JScope

Revive Farside

Hmm. I was about to pop in and say that we should lynch FFFF even if he is telling the truth because of info I have.

*Shrug*

Vote FFFF

just in case I miscounted.

This was a bad attempt to look town.

[curiouskarmadog]

off to bed, will post tomorrow.

Actually

unvote, vote CKD

.
I don't like the weird paranoia, lurky thing you've got going on. (Horrible gut-feeling too, so weak and passive, unassuming feels off? Anyone else get this?)
Better wagon.

interesting....well not really, lurking am I? Budja care to compare our content, post count, or actual protown actions in this game? Or are you just hoping people will join a hypocrite without a case?

first SPS vote.....now mine...throwing shit against a wall until you find something that sticks?

@CKD, I'm not spending my posts worrying over suspicions. overly-paranoid => scum. I'd like to think I've made more of an effort scumhunting too.

this is going to cut it bud...you cant just shove off my questions...where have you scum hunted?


@Far, you are off about me (shrug)...I guess I can see how someone might take my posts that way....but you are just wrong....what really worries me is the vote after my mention of KMD...now, I am not misrepping, your vote could be because of my answers to your questions. You might (as presumed town) deem them scummy. But I dont understand why (as presumed town) you didnt even hiccup at my KMD points.

not deflecting here, keep your vote on me all you want...but would like a stance on my point about KMD.

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Far, you are off about me (shrug)...I guess I can see how someone might take my posts that way....but you are just wrong....what really worries me is the vote after my mention of KMD...now, I am not misrepping, your vote could be because of my answers to your questions. You might (as presumed town) deem them scummy. But I dont understand why (as presumed town) you didnt even hiccup at my KMD points.

I'm in read of everyone in iso. Right now my initial gut was kmd. My read not having read kmd in iso is you are on the top of my list.
I so love how you just breeze through what I stated about how you pushed jscope lynch and not thinking about a lack of flip when you made that comment.
I also love that instead of standing on your own two feet your trying the ole bait and switch to someone else. Is there only 1 scum let CKD?
Do I have more then one vote I should be aware of?

I didnt breeze over again..I did push the jscope lynch.....and there isnt a "lack of flip"..if anything, it is a delayed flip....so that really isnt an arguement....what is bothering me the most about your current attack dear, is that it is based on absolutely NO ALIGNMENT flips. IF FFFF flips town, how does that change your arguement? FFFF claimed to have info that suggested Jscope was scum...that demands a Jscope lynch and claim, but doesnt demand one from FFFF...if jscope flipped town (even delayed)...FFFF would have to answer for that and would probably be lynched....in this case, there was numerous counter claims...which flips the tables demanding nothing for Jscope, and puts the burden of proof on FFFF....I treated that situation the exact same...what I find funny, is you dont have a problem with that....do you know something we dont far?

you know how the game works farside....this is beginning to increase your scum factor that you seem to be "forgetting" how to play.

about KMD, I dont care about your inital gut read...I want to know your thoughts on my points.....and can I assume you think he is scum too?

@all, I just caught KMD is sheigans...and no one wants to put him to the fire?

Late in the game yesterday he said he had information that suggests we lynch FFFF, but earlier in the day had no problem joining and pushing the Jscope lynch based on FFFF's claim...Now I bring this to the light..he doesnt want to answer ANY QUESTIONS? BULLSHIT....he needs more pressure, why is it good play to let that lie until later???!?!?!

[curiouskarmadog]

MORE PRESSURE ON KMD

[curiouskarmadog]

also, Sensfan...again you have proven me right about your "playstyle"...I have yet been in a game with you where you did anything but lurk or get replaced.

Was hoping your "time away" maybe changed that.

[curiouskarmadog]

thinking about farside in the shower...(not like that)

you know how the game works farside....

this is beginning to

increase your scum factor that you seem to be "forgetting" how to play.

doubting she is mafia (unless there is good scum gambit going on)....so, she is either a misguided townie or a third party....pretty sure she is town. Farside, you really need to reconsider your vote, you are going down the wrong path.

[curiouskarmadog]

first of all, KMD has told us jack....but lets say everything he has told us is true, it doesnt say shit about his alignment. I for one do not believe it and still feel he is the lynch today.

[curiouskarmadog]

OK so the message I'm getting is that people are basically voting SPS because he's actively lurking plus some secret scumtell. Is that about right? Because with all the other stuff that's been going on that is just about the easiest wagon possible (I point to Cobalt joining it as additional evidence of this).

this

[curiouskarmadog]

I'm not voting for kmd based on one freeking comment and a sparting of information that can before freeking confirmed by someone tonight. I don't like CKD's push at all.

farside, what was your vote on KMD at the beginning of the day based on then?

Vote Count 3 - 15: Lynch

Steam-Powered Shovel -

4

- Jack, SpyreX, MehPlusRawr, Cobalt,
xvart - 3 - Iecerint, Kmd4390, Anon
Iecerint -

4

- SocioPath, Cyberbob, Starbuck, Papa Zito
Jack - 1 - Steam-Powered Shovel
Kmd4390 - 1 - curiouskarmadog
Budja - 1 - xvart
curiousjarmadog - 2 - Budja, farside22

Not Voting (2): SensFan, ooba

With 18 players alive it'll take 10 to lynch and 9 to no-Lynch.

[curiouskarmadog]

Claim:

I am Mandos of the race of Valar. I'm a Governor whose power is limited to the Revive/Destroy votes.

so essentially you are vanilla right?

[curiouskarmadog]

why dont I feel like you answered the question, does your role say vanilla at all?

[curiouskarmadog]

how do you do it?

when do you do it?

how is that a protown ability?

also, I have only played with a governer once...the role worked differently...with lynches, not reveals (set up was different though)

[curiouskarmadog]

I have seen a governer that could do it every day (cancel lynches).

Hey, KMD, you want people to believe that powers can be exchanged or given to another (like you claim FFFF's can)....can this one or was it just for FFFF.

Please no one hammer till KMD answers this.

[curiouskarmadog]

KMD fucking "suggested" that a role could be given to another person...what I am fucking trying to figure out is was that just for FFFF or does he know that anyone could get their role stolen....I want to know more (and again KMD is useless)...what if the role can only be stolen if the person is dead (like FFFF). then the role COULD be used by scum to manipulate, but it isnt as strong as giving it directly to them.

I dont think this is a good lynch...

unvote

a cobalt lynch and flip would tell us little( but I have been fucked by lurkers too much).....

I would join it...but time is so short, we would get a chance to get a claim from him.

[curiouskarmadog]

cross post...

if SPS is scum, then I think the claim is fake....I cant see scum coming out with this claim..it doesnt make since.

[curiouskarmadog]

Vote: Iecerint

better wagon

[curiouskarmadog]

wagon on me so early, while ignoring so much information.

FFFF, said he tracked Jscope to kill farside...we now know FFFF was town, how come only one person is mentioning that. I would like to hear from JScope and Ooba about there thoughts.....

@farside, am I still scum, or do you need to adjust your case?

@ Iec, you think that if SPS was scum, he had been at -1 for so long, AND as far as we know we have not gotten 1 scum yet, that I (as scum) would not have jumped on that wagon earlier...or hammer? WIFOM aside, that is bullshit...this is an OMGUS vote.

Destroy: SPS
Revive: Drip
Vote: Iecerint

[curiouskarmadog]

jscope, why are you being a dick?

Because I did lie.

I watched J-Scope last night.
He was targetted by no one.
But Since I have the Silmaril I am able to track as well.
I saw him Target Farside.

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fuck me, reading IS awesome.

what post number was that?

Also, there is no reason why jscope or jack need to claim.

also FFFF (what is his main) added to my "refuse to play with" list.

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what post number was that?

nm, I found it...and who is alt is too....

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Good news. FFFF's power successfully transfered, which someone already knows. Use it well.

CKD had asked me if other powers can be transfered. All I can say is I doubt it.

you received a message saying that the power were transfered or is that a guess?

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CKD: Did you think based on what FFF was going to say that he would flip town?

no I thought he would flip scum...backtracking and lies?...yeah.

Vote: CKD

Lack of reading comprehension is serious amusing.

Day 4 and that is what you are basing your vote on? So you are asserting that as scum, I wouldnt be bothered with reading the game and coordinating my attacks? Or are you saying that as town, one couldnt possibly have missed something? please explain why this is a protown reason to vote? At least Iec is attempting to look like he is trying to put a case together....you just trying to jump on the wagon real quick and unnoticed?

no sir...Wagon me if you will, thats fine...but you better put a case out there so it can be evaluated later.

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why?

lol,

there seems to be enough support for my lynch (or communication that is where scum should push), so lets go down the rabbit hole.

but I am telling you, you wont what you will find down there (oh was that a soft claim, lets push and find out).

if you are going to lynch me, do it today...so scum wont string it along till endgame (whenever that is).

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EDIT what = like.

lack of proofreading = another obvious scum tell.

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there is nothing to defend..what is your case based on Iec?

and yes, scum will want to jump on this wagon for no reason....

look SP and KMD have quickly jumped on the wagon without reason...PLEASE sweet god, hold them to the fire for this when the time comes.

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LOL.....why not just ask for the claim PZ?

[curiouskarmadog]

ooba's telling the truth.

ooba
kmd
farside

all town woo

I get farside...but why KMD and ooba? Lets say they are telling the truth about their roles (why does that say they are town?).

What about Jscope, did he have someone confirm is role too?

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Farside, CKD is scum for the need to softclaim after just three votes. I almost wanna say he's a better player than that and is doing it to intentionally seem scummy, but on Day 4? I dunno.

wooo, wont you be excited to see the surprise..lol...sooo, I am better player (as town) than that?...or am I a bad player as scum...I am confused..why are you voting me?

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cross post...

if SPS is scum, then I think the claim is fake....I cant see scum coming out with this claim..it doesnt make since.

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Why did you switch to iec while still having suspicion for SPS?

It was a better wagon, yielded more information.

and I wasnt so sure SPS was scum....various reasons, but you and I both know they dont matter today....I am what scum is cooking for dinner, dear if you are town, you dont want to be last to get a bite.

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Hmmm, I think PZ is right, my wagon will be informative....it is not going to end like some might expect...woo hoo...lets get to business then.

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at this point it looks like he'd almost be happy with dying because that would mean proving certain people wrong (which is anti-town as shit for a PR to do but scummy? IMO no).

for the record, that is not what I am doing...if you town and really are trying to figure it out, we can discuss it (if it isnt obvious by) end game. I am never happy dying, if you check out my wiki, I care about my game wins and losses, I never just throw away games.

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random question..

PZ, have you ever been in a game with more than one vig?

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I don't think CKD is scum for the softclaim; there's no question that it was stupid as hell but at this point it looks like he'd almost be happy with dying because that would mean proving certain people wrong (which is anti-town as shit for a PR to do but scummy? IMO no).

CKD claims this isn't the case.

Give a pro-town reason for CKD doing this.

If that's not the case then yeah his behaviour is scummy.

@CB
2 questions (more to come depending on the answers to the 2nd.).

1.) If it was scummy, why not a vote?

2.) Why is the action scummy?

@PZ,

you ask CB to list a reason why my action was protown...given that you have no clue what you are talking about in regards to my role OR lack there of...you really cant think of ANY reason why it could be protown move?

I want you to provide a reason why it isnt protown (I understand it is all a guess, but you obvious think my action is scummy, so i want to see your line of thinking in the matter).

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PZ, have you ever been in a game with more than one vig?

Yup.

you know I am going to ask for a link right?...played 60+ games and I dont recall one with 2 protown vigs. Sure it is possible though, that I have played in one...but curious if you have...or at least seen one.

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PZ, why are you telling us this now...did it have anything to do with my question?

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also, if you just had one shot, why waste is sooooooo early?

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also, if you just had one shot, why waste is sooooooo early?

This is a dumb question.

that hurts...how so? I also didnt see any indication that he felt Nac was scummy (unless I am missing it)...farside, you are accepting the claim without a grain of salt?

@PZ, I dont understand the timing of why you said it. No one was basing votes or cases on the speculation of votes (as far as I can tell)..you coming out with the information, narrows possibilities.

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why is it poor taste for a vig to hit night 0 then?

to get to the root of my "issue"...something about PZ using the term "vigs" borrowed me. I have no clue what, but I wanted explore the topic. Now that he has claimed to be a vig, his comment about other "vigs" still is rubbing me wrong.

would scum claim the hit?....leaning no....do I think it was a good hit for mafia?...leaning no, for an SK???..maybe. do I find this "out of no where" claim from PZ AFTER my question about vigs worrisome?..slightly. Have I ever seen scum claim a kill as a vig after being caught?...yes. I am trying to figure out if my "random" question spooked PZ into claiming or not.

it is called scum hunting dear.

@PZ, narrows the possibilites of who might have what roles (for scum)...I dont understand the timing as to WHY YOU JUST NOW claimed it...right after my question about "vigs".

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also, I have not attacked or smeared anyone with this line of questioning...why would you say that? Did I call anyone "dumb"? No..interesting way of looking at my questions.

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There was a night 0?
I think your asking why hold off on N1 and shot N2 but then you asked why it was early? What is the issue that he shot early or didn't shot on N1?
As for why PZ felt the need to claim after the talks back and forth. I'm not sure CKD, but he claimed one of 4 kills that took place on N2. So the assumption by many was 2 mafia groups, vig and an SK.
For the record I have seen a game with more then one vig.

no I mean in general about night 0. Vigs are not suppose to use their kill on night 0...when they do, they get balsted for it. But given the excuse of not wanting to lose the ability if he died is ..meh....why not wait to use it on someone he thought was scummy....this felt random.

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Here is what I find strange (notice I didn’t say scummy yet, that is what I am trying to figure out.
1352

Overdefensiveness FTW.

Vigs, you know what to do.

Found that statement strange. Don’t know why exactly. That is why I asked. But to assume that there was more than one Vig over the amount of other possibilities to include an SK seems…eh.

Which makes me ask 1387

random question..

PZ, have you ever been in a game with more than one vig?

1388

Yup.

Ok fair enough. Just wanted to see if he had been in a game or seen one (my post 1390) to see if he actually had that frame of reference to be saying that.

He did (1392)..side note..he was a one shot vig that used his ability Night 1 (which demonstrates a pattern) which was in his favor.

I was fine with that and was going to look elsewhere….then the claim (1422) again I found strange and out of no where.

Was curious as to why that came out of no where…..if I felt you were doing something scummy, you would have my vote by now…I just find it strange. I didn’t say you were scummy…I didn’t say I want to lynch you. I found farside taking your claim for face value without thinking about it strange? I wanted to no why. I am paranoid about everything. I dont vouch for anyone unless I am sure (or its day 1 bullshit)..difference in playing styles I guess.

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oh look Anon stretched to find a reason to vote me without trying to look like he is saving self ...lame (not the act of saving self, but the bullshit reason you are doing it)....have you done any scum hunting here Anon?...have you done anything here?

it is called scum hunting, PZ...I didnt understand your action. If I found an action strange or that didnt make sense to me, I wanted to see if it was scummy. if you had not been in a game with 2 vigs...I would have thought it scummy that it came out here...(side note: I still dont get why you are referring to "vigs" if you yourself are one)...you provided a link to a game that you were actually not only part of 2 vigs, but used your power early....and I have a current meta reason to believe you might have done the same here...

so, I dont find you scummy.

the only issue I am trying to figure out, is why you claimed....that I still am not understanding...

[curiouskarmadog]

Steam-Powered Shovel - 10 - Jack, SpyreX, MehPlusRawr, Cobalt, Papa Zito, SocioPath, Anon, Iecerint, farside22, xvart

I dont care if SPS is insert race scum or town. A 10 person wagon has to have a scumbag.

17 people left in game...pretty good odds you are right...you think this is contributing?

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fuck I shouldnt check mafiascum before I go to bed..

2 thinks I dont understand/issues with.

side note: I still dont get why you are referring to "vigs" if you yourself are one

the only issue I am trying to figure out, is why you claimed....that I still am not understanding...

I know you said because people were discussing possible 2 mafia groups...or this..or that....I ask you, so what? People discuss set up all the time (is there a SK is there not)...no reason to claim....you really dont see why i find this curious?

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how is it scumhunting if you don't htink it's scummy/

I am not sure how to say it anymore. I thought the action strange...I asked a question (to scum hunt), depending on the answer, the action will either be explained...or it will become scummy. Scum hunting 101 here guys...

also you didnt answer my other question.

if you yourself are a vig, why did you refer to other "vigs"? You think we might have more than 2 here?

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Even if Im wrong, which I sincerely doubt, I DEFINITELY have SCUMhunted more than you in the last two pages. See below, kind sir.

first of all, you have done jack shit the past two pages in finding scum if you are voting me..

second, dont try to bully me around...I will ask whatever "time wasting" questions I want...I think it is important.

lastly, I ask you what you have done this game to scum hunt, and you only mention the last 2 pages out of 50?....

now, what have you done to scum hunt in this game?

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excuse me..60 pages.

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ummm, PZ..

if your really thought I was an SS (I am neither confirming or denying this)..why are you communicating it? Isnt that part of the surprise (if that was indeed what I am)? How is it a good protown play?

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what is there to answer?

I was scum hunting....at the time I thought PZ was probably town, but just because I do, doesnt mean I ignore strange behavior. Are you telling me that you have never thought someone was town then change your mind when they did something strange or scummy? I was trying to figure out why he did what he did. I was trying to figure out if his motivations were scummy or not. I was trying to figure out if his play jived with my town read of him....

you obviously have no clue what scum hunting is, if you considered some of those posts as scum hunting....that being said, some of them I can see as possibly someone who might be looking for scum (or attempting to look like he is)...I didnt however find anything interesting there, though.

Anon, what do you think of his(PZ) claim?...was it a good idea? That being said, what about SB's? Was it a good idea? Some people think I have soft claimed, was that a good idea? Why or why not? If your answers differ...why yes for some no for others?

[curiouskarmadog]

I am neither confirming or denying that I am a supersaint..

but if I was...(and I would like an answer from Bud, Iece, Anon, PZ, and whoever else)

would you have an objection to me chosing you hammers me?...if no why? ( I think these answers will be telling).

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it was a typo..."you" was "who"

basically I am saying, if I was the supersaint, would you have issue if I pick WHO hammers me? if so why?

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basically I am saying, if I was the supersaint,
would you have issue if I pick WHO hammers me? if so why?

Okay so in this hypothetical we're pretending you're town.

I'd have to know what your reads were. Because if I disagree with your reads then yeah I'd take issue.

"hypthetical were pretending"? why does it matter? so you only want me to pick when you agree with the choice? the answer is yes or no, not "yes if..."...if no, why would you take issue? What if I said someone you dont agree with?...what if I said you? The whole basis of me getting lynched today is based on that you want us to believe you think I am scum. I have never seen a scum SS...so you should have no problem hammering me right? You should have no problem me picking who hammers me?

also PZ (and again, this is all "hypothetical") you have brought up that you think I am SS...based on something you might or might not have picked up on. And for whatever reason, you thought it was protown to bring that to everyone's attention (before I actually claimed ANYTHING)...

now, lets "pretend" that all that is true (I am indeed a town SS)..do you think scum would have jumped on my wagon by now, or just avoid it completely? Curious.

CKD: Who is scum in your view and why?

Well, you can look at my vote(for a partial answer)….will answer the rest in a bit, like to see how some things pan out….and how certain questions are answered…I think if I answer this question now, it would affect certain answers and actions….dont you?

@CKD: How is your Iec vote not OMGUS? (I'm asking because I think I might be reading it wrong)

you talking about my vote today or yesterday ?

what you should be asking is how is his vote not an OMGUS?

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Spy makes sense.

I've already responded to CKD's question. I'd like to use the supersaint to get two kills, like Zito said.

that wasnt my question, my question wasnt, should we use me for two kills...my question if you are going to use me for my possible SS ability, shouldnt I get to say who hammers me..yes or no? if no why not? part two: If I am indeed a town SS or if the scum think I am the town SS, do you think they would (now) already be on my wagon, are waiting to closer to the end to jump on, or will claim that I am obviously town so they could avoid it completely?

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Spy makes sense.

I've already responded to CKD's question. I'd like to use the supersaint to get two kills, like Zito said.

that wasnt my question, my question wasnt, should we use me for two kills...my question if you are going to use me for my possible SS ability, shouldnt I get to say who hammers me..yes or no? if no why not? part two: If I am indeed a town SS or if the scum think I am the town SS, do you think they would (now) already be on my wagon, are waiting to closer to the end to jump on, or will claim that I am obviously town so they could avoid it completely?

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Spy makes sense.

I've already responded to CKD's question. I'd like to use the supersaint to get two kills, like Zito said.

that wasnt my question, my question wasnt, should we use me for two kills...my question if you are going to use me for my possible SS ability, shouldnt I get to say who hammers me..yes or no? if no why not? part two: If I am indeed a town SS or if the scum think I am the town SS, do you think they would (now) already be on my wagon, are waiting to closer to the end to jump on, or will claim that I am obviously town so they could avoid it completely?

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I would like Bud to hammer.....when I get to -1 I will fully claim...

prediction..Bud is going to disappear before the end of my lynch.

unvote, vote Bud.

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I really am a poor lynch today....role aside, I am an asset to this game...

here is a little preview of the claim though.

unless there is some role who can confirm the dead (doubt it because think it would have happened by now if that be the case) please destory me tomorrow(I am an elf)...I think it is important to know my alignment...who was on it...who pushed it for NO FUCKING REASON...who joined it for shits and giggles.....

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mod can we get a correction on the deadline!!..it says 05/10, my calendar says its 05/12 today...I assume you mean today though. that is 8pm today I think peeps.

if it is all the same, Iece, I would prefer if Bud hammers....Have a theory he wont post today now he is secure and snug on my wagon without danger...the fact that you are willing to hammer says more...

actually, I would prefer a bud lynch today,

[curiouskarmadog]

That’s -1…so here comes the claim…

I am Town Vanilla.

However, when I hold the Silmaril I gain a bonus ability...I become a SuperSaint.

Now the question is..am I holding it? If I was, would I claim, hint that I was a SS (which PZ picked up on), or just claim something like a one shot hider and let someone hammer?

Well, ….I am not holding it, so hammer away.

Unless of course I am lying, to try to bring a scum bag down with me. I still would like bud to unvote and hammer, but something tells me he will continue to post all over sight and conveniently not post here until tomorrow.

Fara, unfornately it doesnt work that way. When I die, I lose the Silmari, thus losing the ability.

only question now is...who is going to hammer and am I lying about not holding it.

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That's -1, Papa.

Good deal.

CKD, what was the point of all that crap if you don't have the silly thing?

I thought you "thought" I was scum? Is it "crap" or was it a scum manuver? When you say "crap" that indicates you think (know?)something else buddy. "sling that mud"...lol

it is genius, I have given the town a ton of information AND hopefully protected those who need protecting in the process.....and the day has not set yet...there is still that hammer...anyone want to take a wager that Bud does not post (here) until "tomorrow".

and hey, there is still that off chance I am holding the thing, you can bet your ass scum doesnt want to hammer right now....

genius.

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genius.

lol?

remains to be seen.

at any rate...forgot the name.

even though (I dont know the series this game comes from) I dont think I have one.

i am "A Servant of Thingol"

@ iece, fucking "redaction"?!?!?!

ok lets review my fucking "softclaim" that I am readacting.

but I am telling you, you wont what you will find down there (oh was that a soft claim, lets push and find out).

PZ was the first one to say anything about an SS (probably from a breadcrumb I left)...but still I didnt claim anything until just now..only asked hypthetical questions to get people to think.

and now you got my claim...you dont want what you find there....bullshit.

THAT "softclaim" was the main reason for the wagon..and now, all you have at the end of it is a VT (or do you?)...

a ton of information...

genius.

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(shrug)...I know nothing about the series..are there more than one servant?...I dont have clue..figured so since I started as vanilla.

can I post the pic?

here is the flavor.

doubt I will be mod killed for it...but here ya go.

"Far aloft between the shafts of Hírilorn a wooden house was built, and there Lúthien was made to dwell; and the ladders were taken away and guarded, save only when the servants of Thingol brought her such things as she needed." (Silmarillion, 172)

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My pic is a figure (I assume an elf) holding a spear wearing light armor and a helmet (cant see ears). got some sort of cloak too. there is someone standing behind me, but their feature cant be seen. it is really quite borning.


but really...is this pic or my flavor going to stop this lynch today?

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also, I didnt vote to destory her, because I didnt think she was scum and thought scum pushed the lynch...hmmm, much like mine....

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ok..

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lol, how do you post pictures again..lol...[/img]

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KMD lol, dont be a dick. scared to explain the process to me? think i have posted exactly one pic on this site..and that was from a url.

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so I got to up load it first somewhere..ok..

also nothing newbie about my play.

so since you want Iece to hammer, I assume you are asserting that I am acting like newbie scum?....

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If this lynch goes through I wish you were not elf so we could see an instant flip...

Right click the image, click copy image location, then paste that between img tags.

xvart.

not giving me the option to "copy image location"..just "copy"..and when I do that I do not get the "paste" option when posting in a message.

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ha...quoted the PM..then pulled the image location out of that.

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CKD, character art and flavor text, please? Also, what race are you?

ok there you go..felt like you scum hunted today? am I lying?..also I already said I was an elf.

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Protip: When you go "OMG I GAVE TOWN SO MUCH INFO", do us all a favor and analyze said "info" yourself. Otherwise, it tends to go ignored for the most part.

I cant analyze about myself, you dont know my alignment so it is useless...the information I have given you is my wagon. who jumped on when? How fast were the flip flops when PZ mentioned SS and i didnt deny it. I want Bud to unvote then hammer, why is he not posting in here? Who wanted to jump on the wagon early and why? Who said I was obviously town and why?

there is a lot of information there...I assume you kids will destory me tomorrow, so you can go through it.

I think Bud is probably scum...not so certian about Iece now...

something is rubbing me wrong about PZ...if he really thought I was the SS, he had no business saying it...was not a protown action. I think he picked up on a crumb (which I left in my post to farside, who i think is town) and he wanted his buddies to know it so they didnt hammer...

lots of information.

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Iece, just hammer. If your internet goes out or something, we'll probably have a no lynch.

CKD, character art and flavor text, please? Also, what race are you?

ok there you go..felt like you scum hunted today? am I lying?..also I already said I was an elf.

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Can't find the SS crumb, though, unless it's the bit where farside is "super popular" for being targeted by everyone N1.

and I wasnt so sure SPS was scum....various reasons, but you and I both know they dont matter today....I am what scum is cooking for dinner, dear if you are town, you dont want to be last to get a bite.

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I'm not hammering I think CKD is town.

Would you prefer a No Lynch to a CKD lynch?

if you can only destory only one person a day, what does a no lynch matter?..beside, Iece wont let it go me thinks..

sure wish bud would do it though.

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Ah well, I'm tired of sitting here. I have Physiology to study for.

Vote: CKD

well, I was telling the truth...i didnt have it....

best to destory me tomorrow so you can look at my wagon...once you know i was telling the truth, it should be telling.

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also, Iece, why mention looking for the crumb, if it didnt matter.

that is right there with MPR asking for flavor and a pic, but not really caring.

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woo hoo a win...

I actually faked claimed a bit....I was a one shot hider...but hider claims are always lynched...I saw that the tide was changing to my lynch, so I was hoping by fake claiming (or heavily hinting at) a supersaint, that my lynch could be evaluated to see who was quickly jumped on and who was afraid to hammer...however, I realized that if I claimed to have the Sim, that someone might have to counter claim...thought that was a poor idea....sooo blah...good game town as I thought my lynch was chalk full of scum.

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would be down for another one, consider this a pre-in.