Lay of Leithian Mafia: Game Over!

[MehPlusRawr]

I missed this thread, fail on my part. I'll do a quick read soon.

[MehPlusRawr]

*hops*

Unvote, vote: Sensfan

And you join a random wagon. It's not really a scumtell, as it's RVS stage...

Elscouta called Cobalt his scum-buddy, SpyreX.

Why don't you hop on the SensFan-wagon, by the bye? I heard a rumour they were going to give away free marshmallow peeps to everyone on the wagon.

This is where you're pushing for your pointless wagon, I guess.

The elscoutawagon is dumb.

People should get on the SensFanwagon. I mean, he's a fan of the Ottawa Senators and those are Canadian. Canadian!

More pushing for SensFan's lynch. This crusading for a lynch with effectively no case is slightly suspicious. Also, Canada is cool. :X

No evidence to suggest scum are more likely to do it though, it's just one of those things I find scummy.

What? Scummy actions are exactly those scum are more likely to do. Do you mean you think scum are more likely to do it, but you don't have any data to back it up?

SpyreX, pushing a random wagon is fun. Wagons based on crappy reasoning, however, are not.

The second part of this isn't okay. Are you saying that wagons with no reasoning are better than wagons with bad reasoning? I'd say that any reasoning is better than none. Plus, more pushing a pointless wagon.

Dislike SPS still sticking to Sens wagon without further comment on events.

As far as I can tell, all that's happened so far is that xvart and Drippereth (naturally) have things which are wrong and misguided, which is pretty meaningless when it comes to determining alignments. The most relevant thing I've seen so far is Starbuck asking Iecerint to drop it three times in a row.

I feel like wagonning, but all the wagons are dumb.

For the last bit- What happened to your Sens wagon? Not too long ago you were pushing it gleefully, now you don't like it any more?

Now this is a wagon I can get behind.

unvote, vote: Jack

, he seems to be acting deliberately unhelpful.

You finally realize your RVS wagon is stupid and not moving, so you join a different one. You blatantly say that you're wagoning.

Okay, Steam isn't helping town. Most of his posts were pushing a useless RVS wagon. The rest were unhelpful, or the one that changed bandwagons. I call him either anti-town or scummy, and either way is a good lynch. Plus, he hasn't scumhunted.

Vote: Steam-Powered Shovel

[MehPlusRawr]

Wagoning may not be a scumtell, but pushing a pointless wagon is anti-town, and wagoning instead of scumhunting is anti-town. :X

[MehPlusRawr]

t;]Wagoning may not be a scumtell, but pushing a pointless wagon is anti-town, and wagoning instead of scumhunting is anti-town. :X

To which wagon(s) are you referring?

The SensFan one that SPS was on.

[MehPlusRawr]

Lack of asking for a claim is a dead giveaway, nice try though, Jack.

Wagoning may not be a scumtell, but pushing a pointless wagon is anti-town, and wagoning instead of scumhunting is anti-town. :X

Early-game bandwagonning is pro-town, certainly in big games. But you are right that I haven't done enough scumhunting; I just don't have a feel for this game. There's too much discussion about inconsequential tidbits.

You were bandwagoning more than in the early stage.

[MehPlusRawr]

I thought I had

vote: Steam-powered Shovel

-ed.

[MehPlusRawr]

MehPlus, how come you confirmed but didn't post?

Tbh I completely forgot about the game- this is my first Theme Park game, so I wasn't coming to this forum. Then one day I was like "Oh, wait, that game probably started ages ago" and I facepalmed and came over here.

Eh, I guess I should do an ISO of xofelf....

[MehPlusRawr]

Sigh. SPS is a better wagon than Xofelf- I don't really understand the case on her. I do agree that she should've posted yesterday, and she had better post today, before deadline. I don't know- she could be refraining from posting because of real life, or she could just not be bothered to make a fakeclaim.

[MehPlusRawr]

We're waiting for an Xofelf claim. 4 hours for her to go. Frown.

[MehPlusRawr]

Well, of course we should resurrect Farside. I guess we should destroy Xofelf too, we lynched her and want her dead I guess.

Revive: Farside22
Destroy: Xofelf

[MehPlusRawr]

Then why is Farside in the Halls of Mandos?

[MehPlusRawr]

EBWOP: I'm asking how Farside got killed without being targetted.

[MehPlusRawr]

That was a crosspost with curious

[MehPlusRawr]

Maybe Farside is a Suicidal Townie Elf. O_o. I don't know about any of this at all, I'm confused.

Vote Count 2 - 03: Lynch

Nachomamma8 - 1 - Jack
J-Scope -

7

- FeFiFoFum, Budja, Iecerint, SpyreX, Cobalt, Steam-Powered Shovel, Starbuck
FeFiFoFum - 1 - J-Scope
Elscouta - 1 - Cyberbob

Not Voting (12): Drippereth, MehPlusRawr, Papa Zito, xvart, Anon, Nachomamma8, SensFan, SocioPath, Elscouta, Kmd4390, ooba, curiouskarmadog

With 22 players alive it'll take 12 to lynch and 11 to no-Lynch.

[MehPlusRawr]

Okay, FFFF is acting unbelievable atm and I think he's the one lying.

Vote: FFFF

[MehPlusRawr]

4 kills isn't looking good.

2 mafia/ SK/ Vig sounds reasonable, but why would there be only 2 kills yesterday?

Destroy: FFFF

[MehPlusRawr]

Revive: J-Scope

[MehPlusRawr]

THIS GAME IS SO CONFUSING. What happened to the SPS wagon? I liked that wagon...

Uhm, what's the case on Iece again?

[MehPlusRawr]

I thought I voted for SPS last page, fail on my part.

Vote: SPS

[MehPlusRawr]

I tend to disagree. Thematically, I'd expect a Morgoth-Sauron-Werewolves side and a Feanor's sons side (Curufin and Celegorm play a significant role in the story.) It wouldn't be the same without either. And having elfscum would help balance the revive-mechanic.

Looks like IIOA...

[MehPlusRawr]

I thought I voted for SPS last page, fail on my part.

Vote: SPS

Not afaik, Iec.

[MehPlusRawr]

I'm going to be V/LA from sometime Friday to sometime Sunday, sorry.

[MehPlusRawr]

Anon, do you have any reason to vote SPS or are you just rolefishing?

[MehPlusRawr]

Revive: Drip
Destroy: SPS

SPS claimed a race other than elf, don't remember what it was. Only elves go to the hall of Mandos.

[MehPlusRawr]

I really have no clue about the whole FFFF situation. It would be nice if someone could attempt to unravel it.

[MehPlusRawr]

J-Scope, FFFF was a watcher. He said that he saw you kill Farside. That's what we're asking your thoughts on.

[MehPlusRawr]

I have no idea what the case on Anon is. Summary pl0x.

[MehPlusRawr]

I have no idea what the case on Anon is. Summary pl0x.

Can you summarize why you don't know what the case on Anon is for me?

As I understand it, SpyreX said he had a SUPER SECRET SCUMTELL on Anon and then everyone else was all "YAY WAGONTIME"

I haven't liked Anon, but I have no idea why there's a wagon on him and no cases.

[MehPlusRawr]

Claiming VT helps the mafia find PRs and kill them. Thus, it is anti-town.

*Insert a Captain Obvious picture here*

Day 4 makes no sense whatsoever.

[MehPlusRawr]

Now I FINALLY understand the case on CKD, and it's a good one. Thanks, Iec.

Vote: CKD

[MehPlusRawr]

That's -1, Papa.

[MehPlusRawr]

CKD, character art and flavor text, please? Also, what race are you?

[MehPlusRawr]

Iece, just hammer. If your internet goes out or something, we'll probably have a no lynch.

[MehPlusRawr]

Ckd- If you hadn't been able to offer flavor and a pic, then I'd know you were scum. Scum may have safeclaims with flavor/pics, so you having one doesn't make you town.

I was more confused than Star for this entire day, and I admit that I didn't scumhunt. Limited reveal stuff is annoying, and hopefully SPS will flip scum, so I have a scumflip to go off.

[MehPlusRawr]

No, he could be more obvscum if it was an open game where you knew there weren't jesters. Yup, more jester speculation!

[MehPlusRawr]

Oh, hey, I was gone for a day and lots happened!

You know, I really wanna destroy Elscouta today. He needs to die eventually.

Vote: Iecerint
Revive: Ooba
Destroy: Elscouta

[MehPlusRawr]

Uhm, wasn't Ooba the Voyeur?

[MehPlusRawr]

I prefer a Cobalt destroy anyway, I think. I didn't find Ooba particularly scummy even thought he was townie.

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MEGA SCUMSLIP

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This is the real thing folks

FOR THE TEXTBOOKS

That's definitely enough to lynch on.

Unrevive, undestroy, destroy: Ooba revive: Nacho

3 scum found? I think we have the game in the bag.

[MehPlusRawr]

He's saying "I didn't think Ooba was scum, I thought he was town," which clearly implicates that he knows Ooba is scum.

[MehPlusRawr]

Did Farside hammer?

[MehPlusRawr]

Vote: Sociopath
Revive: Nacho
Destroy: Cobalt

Spyre, what does jailing do?

[MehPlusRawr]

Should I claim?

[MehPlusRawr]

Iec isn't an elf.

[MehPlusRawr]

Okay, I feel safe to claim now.

I am Huan, Town Vigilante. I am a hound. Every night, I may choose to kill another player. However, there may or may not be role Carcharoth in this game. If I kill him, I will also die.

I didn't counterclaim the other day because I could guess that Carcharoth was linked to me. Iec was trying to get me to out myself, and I didn't want to do that, because I had a guess that Carch's win condition involved me, such as killing me to win, and Iec was just trying to help him reach his win condition. Now Carcharoth is dead (And on the same mafia as Iec, so my suspicions are probably right), and my assumptions say that it's safer for me to claim than before.

Jack- I'm quiet in this game because I found the game when it was like 20 pages in, and only read through it once. The limited reveal completely messed up my mind because I still haven't reread anything.

Budja seems eager to bandwagon.

Oh, also, night actions.

N1 I killed SPS. This was blocked, I guess, because it didn't go through.
N2 I killed Elscouta.
N3 I killed Sensfan
N4 I killed Anon
N5 I killed Xvart. Spyre apparently blocked it.
N6 I killed Xvart. Blocked again.

"Huan followed Celegorm into exile, and was faithful; and thus he too came under the doom of woe set upon the Noldor, and it was decreed that he should meet death, but not until he encountered the mightiest wolf that would ever walk the world." (Silmarillion, 172-173)

[MehPlusRawr]

Okay, I feel safe to claim now.

I am Huan, Town Vigilante. I am a hound. Every night, I may choose to kill another player. However, there may or may not be role Carcharoth in this game. If I kill him, I will also die.

I didn't counterclaim the other day because I could guess that Carcharoth was linked to me. Iec was trying to get me to out myself, and I didn't want to do that, because I had a guess that Carch's win condition involved me, such as killing me to win, and Iec was just trying to help him reach his win condition. Now Carcharoth is dead (And on the same mafia as Iec, so my suspicions are probably right), and my assumptions say that it's safer for me to claim than before.

Jack- I'm quiet in this game because I found the game when it was like 20 pages in, and only read through it once. The limited reveal completely messed up my mind because I still haven't reread anything.

Budja seems eager to bandwagon.

Oh, also, night actions.

N1 I killed SPS. This was blocked, I guess, because it didn't go through.
N2 I killed Elscouta.
N3 I killed Sensfan
N4 I killed Anon
N5 I killed Xvart. Spyre apparently blocked it.
N6 I killed Xvart. Blocked again.

"Huan followed Celegorm into exile, and was faithful; and thus he too came under the doom of woe set upon the Noldor, and it was decreed that he should meet death, but not until he encountered the mightiest wolf that would ever walk the world." (Silmarillion, 172-173)

[MehPlusRawr]

Sorry for double post, was having site issues.

[MehPlusRawr]

okay I have a question to MPR
MPR: There has only been one death for the past few nights. You have been jailed 2 nights you have to admit this is damning evidence against you.
Do you believe that one mafia team is already gone from the game? If so which player do you believe is part of that mafia team?

I really don't know. The night I killed SF, I was the only kill, but I don't really know what to make of that. I think that we may have taken out Morgoth's mafia. This is the first game I've played with more than one mafia, so I don't know how many people are likely to be in a mafia. Would 3 people work?

[MehPlusRawr]

EBWOP:

Destroy: Elscouta

I don't know about Kmd, weren't we planning on lynching him at some point?

[MehPlusRawr]

How do we know Farside is confirmed town, by the way?

Actually.

I just realized, I think Elsc was the last scum on the Morgoth team. The night after a Morg-scum died, we continually had one kill less. Either the Morgoth team is 3 dead people or if it is 4 the 4th is in Mandos, probably Elsc.

About KMD- Oh, I guess I was confusing him with someone else. I thought he was on Drip's lynchlist?

[MehPlusRawr]

Also EBWOP:

Revive: KMD

[MehPlusRawr]

@MPR: Why did you target SensFan and Anon when you never state any suspicion towards them?

The first game I played, Normal 112, there was a mason-vig and a mason partner. The mason partner, Ellibereth, directed the vig, Pomegranate. Elli eventually got killed by the scum. In the QT at endgame, you could see that the scum had been hunting for the vig and found who was directing the kills by comparing them with suspicions.

I therefore decided not to say "I THINK THIS PERSON IS SCUM" and kill them every day/night, because the mafia could easily figure out that I was the vig.

[MehPlusRawr]

Oh, I forgot (again) that Farside killed Cobalt.


I would like flavor/image claims in the massclaim.

[MehPlusRawr]

This is subjective, but I feel kinda dirty sending a prod to a player who posted this morning; I know this game is prods on request, but I'm going to invoke Mod privileges to defer that prod until tomorrow evening, assuming Starbuck hasn't posted by then.

That's definitely fair, you've been a great mod so far, don't worry about it .

[MehPlusRawr]

y halo thar



"There King Finrod Felagund, hastening from the south, was cut off from his people and surrounded with a small company in the Fen of Serech; and he would have been slain or taken, but Barahir came up with the bravest of his men and rescued him, and made a wall of spears about him; and they cut their way out of the battle with great loss. Thus Felagund escaped, and returned to his deep fortress of Nargothrond; but he swore an oath of abiding friendship and aid in every need to Barahir and all his kin, and in token of his vow he gave to Barahir his ring." (Silmarillion, 172)

So I'm Barahir, a townie bodyguard director. At night I protect someone, and if I'm right, one of my little bodyguardmen sacrifices themselves for the greater good.

My silmaril action is a 1-shot vig. Oh ho.

Night 1: Budja *
Night 2: ooba
Night 3: farside
Night 4: SpyreX
Night 5: SpyreX
Night 6: missed due to net issues, spozed to be Kmd :/

* Re: Budja's 70% town thing. Night 1 I protected him and elmocrates winds up dead. They were Gorlim, who according to Wikipedia is one of my boys as well. So either elmocrates was targeted directly

or

I used them to protect Budja from someone.

What was with the "I was just about to ask the same question. MPR, what did you do last night?" if your role hasn't related you to me at all?

[MehPlusRawr]

Oh, should I claim my Silmaril ability too?

[MehPlusRawr]

SpyreX got to my WTF moment before I could.

@MPR - What did you do last night?

[MehPlusRawr]

Err, we could just jailkeep you.

Then I'll probably die. Oh well, it's for the best >_>

[MehPlusRawr]

Cyber, claim.

[MehPlusRawr]

I realized from my other hypothesis and the idea of 4 scum per team that there's probably one werewolf scum left. All my Carcharoth stuff is speculation, but I'm pretty sure Carch or the entire werewolf mafia needed to kill me for some reason or other. I just realized that if there is another werewolf, he's alive, because werewolf mafia members won't be elves in the Hall of Mandos. I think that there's a chance of Cyber being the last werewolf scum, if only for the reason that his role makes it look okay for me to die. Of course, there's a chance that he's telling the truth, but someone who could be an unlimited vig and cop at the same time seems a little overpowered. He may be trying just to get the Silmaril by showing a good ability from him having it. (Terrible grammar, sorry)


I think I was supposed to claim next? I've claimed everything but my Silmaril ability- if I have the Silmaril, I'm unblockable.

[MehPlusRawr]

I realized from my other hypothesis and the idea of 4 scum per team that there's probably one werewolf scum left. All my Carcharoth stuff is speculation, but I'm pretty sure Carch or the entire werewolf mafia needed to kill me for some reason or other. I just realized that if there is another werewolf, he's alive, because werewolf mafia members won't be elves in the Hall of Mandos. I think that there's a chance of Cyber being the last werewolf scum, if only for the reason that his role makes it look okay for me to die. Of course, there's a chance that he's telling the truth, but someone who could be an unlimited vig and cop at the same time seems a little overpowered. He may be trying just to get the Silmaril by showing a good ability from him having it. (Terrible grammar, sorry)


I think I was supposed to claim next? I've claimed everything but my Silmaril ability- if I have the Silmaril, I'm unblockable.

[MehPlusRawr]

That cookie looks amazing.

This.

Yeah, Starbuck is worth lynching.

[MehPlusRawr]

Sorry, insanely busy.

Claim:



"High above the realm of Morgoth Thorondor and his vassals soared, and seeing now the madness of the Wolf and Beren's fall they came swiftly down, even as the powers of Angband were released from the toils of sleep." (Silmarillion, 182)

Town vanilla
eagle
silmarill: redirector

What's a redirector? Isn't that like a busdriver, which is a scum role?

[MehPlusRawr]

Wait, why should I shoot Jack?

Vote Count 7 - 06: Lynch

Starbuck -

2

- farside22, Budja

Not Voting (9): Starbuck, MehPlusRawr, Papa Zito, Cyberbob, xvart, Nachomamma8, Jack, J-Scope, SpyreX

With 11 players alive it'll take 6 to lynch and 6 to no-lynch.

[MehPlusRawr]

I think he means that when he has the silmaril, he can consistently jailkeep 2 people per night, not just once.

[MehPlusRawr]

Octuple posts ftl, Zito.

[MehPlusRawr]

I'm... alive?

And someone wants me to roleclaim?

Drip and I were lovers (mod-confirmed town). That's all you need to know...

I thought when a lover died, the other one died?
(Also, silmaril ability/nameclaim/image claim)

[MehPlusRawr]

Just thought of something. What if the Silmaril dies? Is that possible?

[MehPlusRawr]

Well, SpyreX was considering jailkeeping Papa Zito to keep the Silmaril safe, so I'm wondering if that would be completely useless.

[MehPlusRawr]

Okay, let's win! Hope I don't die >_>

Vote: Starbuck

[MehPlusRawr]

Why are you so absolutely adamant on staying alive if you are vanilla?

Why am I bothering if I'm scum?

So you don't lose? Just a guess.

[MehPlusRawr]

1.) MPR scum vig gambit?

What's that even supposed to mean? >_>

[MehPlusRawr]

Should we destroy Jack or someone else?

[MehPlusRawr]

I'm wondering if Xvart actually has the same silmaril ability as SB. Maybe SB had a bulletproof silmaril ability or something that she didn't think would be helpful to claim?

Who did you jail last night?

[MehPlusRawr]

Hmm. I've been having a weird feeling about Budja. Shall we lynch him and destroy Jack?

[MehPlusRawr]

I'm happy to do either on this evidence.

[MehPlusRawr]

Wait, you can roleblock? Since when?

I'll vig whoever we don't lynch.

[MehPlusRawr]

Destroy: Jack
Vote: Budja

Let's go!

[MehPlusRawr]

Unvote

On second thought I want the destroy locked in before we vote- I don't want to be at D-1 and L-1 and have someone forget to destroy. I'll vote again as soon as the destroy is in. Might not be on then though.

[MehPlusRawr]

Vote: Budja

[MehPlusRawr]

Come on, we need 2 more Budja votes.

Zito- What do you mean? The only time one of them votes another is on the CKD wagon. Unless you meant voting with each other?

[MehPlusRawr]

Mod can you

give Mr.J a gentle nudge?

whack "Mr. J" with the nearest mithril object?

Fixed!

[MehPlusRawr]

X, Spyre said that hammering is acceptable.

[MehPlusRawr]

Red Team Appearances

Budja - 2
curiouskarmadog - 2
Cyberbob - 1
farside22 - 2
J-Scope - 2
Jack - 3
Kmd4390 - 2

MehPlusRawr - 4

Papa Zito - 2
ooba - 1
SpyreX - 3
xvart - 1

Eh, whatever. You counted me twice on the SPS wagon, by the way.

[MehPlusRawr]

Yeah, Spyre was on them all too.

[MehPlusRawr]

As was Jack. Hmm. I hope we see two more scumflips!

[MehPlusRawr]

If the game's not over by tomorrow, I think J-scope has a decent chance of being scum, unless I forgot something important (e.g., the way I forgot kmd found and lynched scum)

[MehPlusRawr]

Yay, we win!

Can't wait for all the details!

[MehPlusRawr]

I'm not a "neutral-make-sure-this-person-survives"-er, sorry.

[MehPlusRawr]

That was a really fun game! (Except for delayed flips. Those were annoying.) Thanks for hosting it!

I didn't expect that bit about the Silmaril at all.

Anyone wanna give the QTs out?

[MehPlusRawr]

So, what was with the Huan claim, Iece?

[MehPlusRawr]

Good Vig play

Hooray, I'm useful!

[MehPlusRawr]

Hey, Plum, if you had modkilled whoever had the Silmaril, would you have won, via your win condition on page one?

[MehPlusRawr]

But if you kill whoever possesses the Silmaril, you get it yourself, right?