Lay of Leithian Mafia: Game Over!

[Budja]

vote Sens

[Budja]

... and you aren't voting for any of them.

unvote, vote Drippereth

[Budja]

@Elmocrates, do the other Elscouta wagoner's share your suspicion?

unvote

The razz has won me over .

Whether a player random votes or not means little to me.
Dislike xvart's 46, nice little fallacy.

vote xvart

Vote Count 02: Lynch

Cobalt - 1 - Elscouta
FeFiFoFum - 1 - Iecerint
Starbuck - 1 - PaltryExcuse
Drippereth - 1 - J-Scope
Steam Powered Shovel - 1 - Starbuck
xofelf - 1 - farside22
SensFan -

4

- Cyberbob, Papa Zito, Steam-Powered Shovel, curiouskarmadog
Cyberbob - 1 - xofelf
Kmd4390 - 1 - FeFiFoFum
FeFiFoFum - 1 - Jack
Starbuck - 1 - Cobalt
SpyreX - 1 - SocioPath
Elscouta -

4

- xvart, SpyreX, Anon, Drippereth
Elmocrates - 1 - SensFan
xvart - 2 - Elmocrates, Budja

Not Voting (3): Kmd4390, MehPlusRawr, ooba,

With 25 players alive it'll take 13 to lynch and 13 to no-Lynch.

There are no players in the

Halls of Mandos

, so right now there are no

Revive

or

Destroy

counts.

[Budja]

You ought to sign your name if you want us to tell you apart.

[Budja]

@Elmocrates, answer the question!

[Budja]

@Elmocrates: To clarify: "other players voting Elscouta for the same reasons".

[Budja]

@Els, The votes do pretty strongly imply you should explain yourself. So stop complaining and do so. (basically, I want to see an answer to SpyreX's question too)

@Elmocrates, the socrates half gets what I am on about. That xvart post wasn't crash hot. 46 was much worse.

(More clarification. Your post 47 seemed to imply you were voting xvart for his els. vote which made me wonder why you were ignoring the other wagoners. (Sorry if I didn't make that properly clear before))

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Anyway, Els wagon is ok, xvart wagon is better.

Vote Count 03: Lynch

FeFiFoFum - 1 - Iecerint
Starbuck - 1 - PaltryExcuse
Drippereth - 2 - J-Scope, Cyberbob,
Steam Powered Shovel - 1 - Starbuck
xofelf - 1 - farside22
SensFan -

3

- Papa Zito, Steam-Powered Shovel, curiouskarmadog
Cyberbob - 1 - xofelf
Kmd4390 - 1 - FeFiFoFum
FeFiFoFum - 1 - Jack
Starbuck - 1 - Cobalt
SpyreX - 1 - SocioPath
Elscouta -

3

- xvart, SpyreX, Anon,
Elmocrates - 1 - SensFan
xvart -

3

- Elmocrates, Budja, Drippereth
Anon - 1 - Elscouta

Not Voting (3): Kmd4390, MehPlusRawr, ooba,

With 25 players alive it'll take 13 to lynch and 13 to no-Lynch.

There are no players in the

Halls of Mandos

, so right now there are no

Revive

or

Destroy

counts.

[Budja]

Simul .

You could have just said so before Els.

[Budja]

Oh wait, you did. Bad reading on my part . Sorry about that.

[Budja]

@KMD,

You are voting on the largest wagon with no other text in you post. Elaborate, otherwise this is scummy.

Wagons are good.
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Dislike SPS still sticking to Sens wagon without further comment on events.
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Pressure on Starbuck was good.
Her response was ok.
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RVS debate re. Sens is irrelevant IMO.
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Still don't like xvart. exaggerates and misreps (dumbs down is perhaps a better word here, IIRC farside said generalises a few pages back and thats a good word too) arguments.
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[Budja]

I guess I ought to be more specific. That was more a run down of my thoughts that a very coherent post.

post 103 last paragraph inc. quote is what I meant. The whole meta debate wasn't very important in my eyes.

[Budja]

FoS Jack

Thats all you have to say. Some cryptic comment with little to do with current discussion.

[Budja]

Why do more votes make this wagon look tempting .
Proof to me you are more useful than xvart or I might just switch.

[Budja]

^ that is suss as Cyberbob has no such reaction over's Elscouta claim.

FoS Cyberbob

@Elmo, Jack joined years ago and has over 2k posts. I would assume he wasn't just a VI.

Zito's lurker hunt amuses me. Your being a

little

hypocritical there. So what you think of xvart? Jack? etc. (That kind-of grammatically sucks )

[Budja]

It is a game ... that we generally fight tooth and nail to win (or at least try to (most-times)).

I see your point on xofelf (meta back and forth with sens is only content)

MehPlusRawr has confirmed but not posted on the site since Thursday. Not worth a vote now.

However, the fact you see an inactive lurker to be more worth your vote is just plain odd.

If you are looking for interesting things to comment on:
xvart seems to compulsively misrep/generalise. Agree/disagree? Scummy or not?
Jack made a random cop breadcrumb comment and and produces little content. I found that scummy. Do you agree?

(^ Anyone who hasn't commented on them can consider those directed at them BTW)

[Budja]

Budja's Post 172 is playing both sides of the fence bigtime.

I like both wagons. Is that bad?

Kmd's is clearly just as obviously something similarly innocuous; can someone explain to me what that is?

It seemed like an appropriate response to xvarts generalizations (I'm beginning to like that word.). (of course KMD ought to answer).
...but I get what you meant now.

[Budja]

Why do more votes make this wagon look tempting .
Proof to me you are more useful than xvart or I might just switch.

@Cyber, This is "sleazy waffling" . Elaborate please?

^generic agreement with SpyreX. I meant to mention Jacks latest useless post before but it got lost somehow.

@Iec, the point I raised against Cyber was answered (albeit not entirely clearly).

[Budja]

Cyber, I did post my FoS a few posts earlier.

[Budja]

Don't like this post right here ^.

Still happy where I stand.
fav. wagons to clarify: xvart, Jack FYI.

(only did a quick skim, better post tomorrow (hopefully, I should be able to get a read in anyway and post something))

[Budja]

@Elmocrates, little context upon being pressed for info is the really bad part. (re. jack)

Sociopath is all noise, not much else.

Like Anon, and dislike Els. response. I also see OMGUS.

I would be interested in running up another wagon and see if Budja jumps on it, too.

You can't help but misrep, can you. My vote hasn't moved for ages.

Steam-powered-shovel isn't good but Meh's case sucks. Sens is right, wagoning != bad.

Iec's Zito votes sucks.
Like Elmocrates 314, agree with all of it.

So: still like my xvart vote, Jack is less likely to be scum IMO, but still a good lynch.
SPS, Meh, Els are ok lynches.

[Budja]

Too many pages .

I almost hate to say it, but I do agree that Jack is giving of a weird town-vibe.

I don't get the xofelf hate (besides the lurking of course), still that post is useless. Less fuss over the 'lying' thing, more content.

[Budja]

Drip is so town it hurts. (Jack is surprisingly town too)

unvote, vote SPS

fav. wagon going anywhere.

[Budja]

I really dislike this implication that one of Sens/xofelf is scum because of the lying thing. A lot of this could be down to subjective views/misremembering and the taboo personal issues.
(I'm with those who dislike the lurking but don't care less about the meta debate)

That said, I am at least happy in the fact that wagons are actually forming.

[Budja]

On the whole I prefer the players on the SPS wagon, but if xofelf can't get over the meta and do something and soon, I'll switch.

Also, I endorse Spyrex's 614, pick your fav. wagon here and lets get a lynch.

[Budja]

unvote, vote xofelf

FYI L-1. No hammering until claim.

[Budja]

Vote: FFFF

Revive: farside22
Destroy: xofelf

[Budja]

unvote, vote J-Scope

Its a bit early for scum gambits, I believe FFFF.

[Budja]

Yeah, I feel town-FFFF too but I wish I didn't.
But I also don't think the FFFF-wagon is as scum-laden as Drip. I was fully intending to vote him before I reached this page. Only now am I uncertain.

unvote

[Budja]

unvote, vote FFFF

, screw that, SpyreX is right.

[Budja]

@Drip, how do you read 878 then?

[Budja]

Back from V/LA and will read/catch up soon.

(I'm tired ATM so I may not get a post out until tomorrow).

[Budja]

Agree with SpyreX's 907. Drip/J-Scope were not town kills (or at least not smart town kills).

@ xvart(914), I thought Drip was town. She/He was fairly chaotic but was quite intimidating too.

Revive: J-Scope

Iec-hate a bit strong. It was a point and xvart countered it fine. Not scummy.
(No idea why, but I am getting a town buzz from xvart all of a sudden. I kinda liked the suggestion to destroy Els.)

vote Zito

, said very little, hasn't given the pro-town buzz I would expect. Not so keen on the Iec hop.

[Budja]

That was surprisingly easy to read. I'll have to look over it tomorrow because I suspect the logical(ish) side of my brain is giving out .

[Budja]

^ that. I didn't think Drip was scummy, I disagree with her thinking the players on the FFFF wagon were scummy.

Don't see the fence-sitting. Filler post was mainly for my own catch-up IIRC.
Buddying was unintended. I try to agree with people if I agree rather than restate them as my own. I think its my playstyle you are reacting to.
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I thought Zito was following the Socio case on Iec.

[Budja]

@xvart, 1. you

were

misrepping me, 2. Drip was calling out pretty much everyone on the wagon, 3. town-feeling on you is from you recent posts and really does surprised me. Note that it doesn't really even out to a town-read, just stops me from revoting you ATM.

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Also, why the meta hate? I don't know if I've asked this before but I don't get it. (@SpyreX, Zito, simular-minded people)
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I was going to question the SPS case. I don't mind his recent posts but in ISO, IIoA just about covers all of his posting. So..wagon.

unvote, vote: SPS

(CKD gives me a bad feeling although I suspect that is skewed by the fact he is recently posting (as in a lurker who is semi-active at this time).)

[Budja]

Actually

unvote, vote CKD

.
I don't like the weird paranoia, lurky thing you've got going on. (Horrible gut-feeling too, so weak and passive, unassuming feels off? Anyone else get this?)
Better wagon.

[Budja]

@CKD, I'm not spending my posts worrying over suspicions. overly-paranoid => scum. I'd like to think I've made more of an effort scumhunting too.

I'm still getting wanna-be SpyreX from Socio. (Although I do need to reread Iec)

farside is like 99.999999999999999999999999999999% town

^yep.
Surprised you find me town Zito.
I don't hate meta .

Iec grasps Budja-town more strongly than I like.

Its a function of the power-votes Jack got when I was arguing with him in rapid succession: Budja, Ice, Sociopath were waay too fast for me to think that the combination of those three + the target (Jack) are all going to be town.

Could I get a translation?

@xvart, I had expressed suspicion in one form or another on the top wagons (pretty minor in CB's case IIRC)

but

"I would be interested in running up another wagon and see if Budja jumps on it, too" is a misrep. I hadn't been wagon-hopping at all.

Caught up. More later (or tomorrow depending on time (Semi-LA on Mon-Thurs FYI)).

[Budja]

Sorry. I know I promised I'd post, but low on time.
Will have plenty of time tomorrow.

[Budja]

SPS is a fair lynch but... not uniquely. I can name many players (e.g. Sens, Anon, KMD) who also suck on the content front.

His play is reminding me more of his scum play then town play at this moment and yes damn it Spyreyx I will say it's meta.

It's a lot more passive than his usual play IIRC, that's part of what makes me uneasy.

(/filler post. Analytical skills are dead ATM.)

[Budja]

SPS is a fair lynch but... not uniquely. I can name many players (e.g. Sens, Anon, KMD) who also suck on the content front.

Was his lynch more unique when you were voting for him on D1?

Well, there were less lurkers, so it was more unique in that sense. But largely, it was the best wagon and I didn't much like the players pushing the xofelf wagon IIRC.
The biggest case on him is his lack of attack.

[Budja]

Revive: Drip
Destroy: SPS

SPS's buddy was one of Elscouta, Nacho, and Drip.

"buddy"? Nice scum-slip.

vote Iec

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Still don't like CKD, didn't like his end of day vote either but Iec's slip is way worse.

[Budja]

That is actually reasonable .

unvote, vote CKD

Mandos going to the hall of Mandos isn't really implausible. We should destroy SPS anyway. so it doesn't really matter.

[Budja]

CKD was scummy, but the recent votes seem scummy too.

Any reason why?

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Lurker wagons (Anon, Cobalt) < Scummy player wagons (CKD)

[Budja]

I'm disappointed. What happened to the CKD wagon.

Scummy > Lurky.

--
...reading...

[Budja]

Well, Zito is town. CKD is still scum.

[Budja]

Says the lurker...

My inactivity is irrelevent to my position on this.

--

I'd go for Starbuck if CKD must live.

--

(Note: If farside is lying there done might be a new lynch)

hmm? What would be your issue with a fake day-kill anyway?

Meh. If we're just going to throw darts I'd rather lynch someone useless. Any of the C-Crew would be fine. Especially CKD since his stance really doesn't make any sense.

What are you waiting for Zito?

[Budja]

Supersaint assumption was silly, not scummy.

Iec's unvote sucked. Better wagon than Anon at least, but I'd rather see CKD, SB go.

[Budja]

I would prefer a claim today also. (well, obv really)

Should CKD be a supersaint, I have no problem with Zito's idea.

@J-Scope, Cyberbob also questioned the SPS wagon and plently of people were sheeping (myself included day 1). So that point looks weak to me.

@SpyreX, I asked you a question. Help me keep my town read.

[Budja]

Spy makes sense.

I've already responded to CKD's question. I'd like to use the supersaint to get two kills, like Zito said.

re. my wagon. Can't respond to the gut reads. Ooba's case isn't. The first point isn't scummy, the second

I almost hate to say it, but I do agree that Jack is giving of a weird town-vibe.

was when I began to really lose interest in Jack.

he replaced caughtscum Percy

incorrect, I replaced SK Konowa (but I did claim SK pretty quickly (and won ))

Vote Count 4 - 16: Lynch

curiouskarmadog -

5

- Budja, Kmd4390, Anon, Iecerint, Papa Zito
Anon - 2 - Starbuck, Jack
Iecerint - 4 - curiouskarmadog, Cyberbob, SpyreX, SocioPath
Starbuck - 1 - J-Scope
Budja - 3 - ooba, farside22, xvart,

Not Voting (2): MehPlusRawr, Cobalt

With 17 players alive it'll take 9 to lynch and 9 to no-Lynch.

Deadline will be Wednesday May 10th at 8:26 Eastern Time.

[Budja]

@CKD,

Zito's got it in one.

I think you are scum. If not we can use you to remove a scummy player and hopefully scum. Win-win.
--
If you are town, I think scum will not hammer you but I'm not really sure that their position on (or off) your wagon means that much.

@Farside, Budja case?
CKD's scummy softclaim, scummy attitude, scummy Iec vote spring to mind re. him.
--

I echo SpyreX.
Non-wagon voters, wagon.

[Budja]

Destroy: CKD

@Drip, why Nacho of all people?

@Iec, kills can be blocked. People can be protected. What makes Drip-scum any more likely that that?

Also, before I am called out for it, I would have hammered yesterday but was not online.

[Budja]

Oh, you literally have the info. Fair enough.

Vote: Iec
Revive: Nacho

No idea how Drip is getting her scores but Spy and Jack were first on the Anon wagon yesterday. What puts them up so high?

[Budja]

You didn't need to do that Spyrex. Iec oozes desperation.

[Budja]

vote Socio
Revive Nacho

Destroy vote requires reading so I'll get on that later .

[Budja]

Destroy Cobalt

I prefer Els FYI if anyone wants to turn this around. Farside makes a good case.

[Budja]

Revive: KMD
Vote: MPR

Although I think there is a good chance the elves are all dead or in the halls.
(or SpyreX is really really good )

[Budja]

Sorry, insanely busy.

Claim:



"High above the realm of Morgoth Thorondor and his vassals soared, and seeing now the madness of the Wolf and Beren's fall they came swiftly down, even as the powers of Angband were released from the toils of sleep." (Silmarillion, 182)

Town vanilla
eagle
silmarill: redirector

[Budja]

^That. It's more powerful as a scum role but def. not exclusive to scum.

unvote

vote Starbuck

, repeated ability is solid enough for me.

Also, xvart seems linked (ability-wise) to Zito. Not interested in lynching.

[Budja]

Well, Jack reaction screams scum to me.
Spy's plan was a good plan.

Someone hammer now pls and lets finish this.

[Budja]

Desperation. We have quite a lot of obv-town, why so worried ?

[Budja]

BOO!
(The town rallied annoyingly well at the end.)

[Budja]

@KMD, I guessed that and thats why we killed you .

[Budja]

True, that was the final nail in our coffin really.

[Budja]

Mogoth's Mafia Chat: http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/PyTuk9Auy8m

[Budja]

Uh, oops.

[Budja]

I think we were a little paranoid over how much we could share PM's. (We should have asked ).