Mind Screw Mafia 4 (Day 4, Two More Dead!)

[Fraction Jackson]

Vote: Chairman Mao

Based of Mind screw 2, this is the best lynch. If he is not Tar, we can simply lynch Tar next but it is best to not leave Tar alive when lynching him has never hurt town before.

[Fraction Jackson]

Mechanic speculation makes me want to bury my head in the sand.
Whatevs.
Mae = Town, probably MMM too.

[Fraction Jackson]

Not Voting (29): Kinetic, Kairyuu, Plum, xRECKONERx, xRECKONERx,

Reck appears on the list twice.

[Fraction Jackson]

Voting before the next votecount needs to stop now.

[Fraction Jackson]

Apparently there are no vote counts right now. We have to get some sort of established guide lines right now or else we won't know what our objective is. I mean, if votes really don't count... then whats the point?

Lynching the Mod or his Alt is a good start for this game so it helps us get a grasp on what we need to be focusing on.

[Fraction Jackson]

Unvote

Raider and Snow Bunny are scum. Will vote after votecount.

[Fraction Jackson]

Vote: Raider

FoS: Snow Bunny

FoS: DTMaster

The first 2 are scum. I think I'm going to be sick of the amount of noise the last one is planning to produce, and it's going to make readthroughs much more painful.

[Fraction Jackson]

Tarhalindur must be lynched. MMM has anti-town wincon.

I say with a response like this, we give the Mao/Tar wagons the finger and go for UK, the co-mod.

And let's lynch forbiddanlight while we're at it. FL's switching to UK was obviously an elaborate ploy designed just for this game.

I did mention that Bunny and Raider are still scum, right?

[Fraction Jackson]

MMM looks like overeagerbeaver town to me.

[Fraction Jackson]

Is there a history of FoS's doing anything?

Unvote, Vote Snow

FoS: Raider

[Fraction Jackson]

Man, SP, do you ALWAYS want to lynch me for some reason?

/me sighs

I wouldn't advise lynching me.

Yes, the red works like you think it does

And let's lynch forbiddanlight while we're at it. FL's switching to UK was obviously an elaborate ploy designed just for this game.

DO I WIN A PRIZE???

[Fraction Jackson]

Chairman Mao is evil personified. His wackjob ideas resulted in the deaths of millions of people, by way of starvation, incarceration, torture, execution, etc.

God only knows what madness and devastation he could bring to this game.

History doesn't lie.

unvote, un-FOS
vote, FOS: Chaiman Mao

[Fraction Jackson]

Dram is acting a little shifty and self-preservative. More than likely a lying scumbag.

Not to mention that he investigated somebody that wasn't me and got my role!

This is Mindscrew, possibly his investigation has been bus-driven or some such.

However, this post by InHimshallIbe, who has been lurking/in-catch-up-mode/generally-clueless for the whole game, suddenly waking up to take advantage of the situation, is very damning:

Dram is acting a little shifty and self-preservative. More than likely a lying scumbag.

How convenient.

Normally I'd vote right away, but I need to consult with whole numbers first.

[Fraction Jackson]

No really.

InScumshallibe is scum.

Since you guys are too chicken to get down to the business of lynching the uber-evil Chairman Mao. We might as well lynch scum.

[Fraction Jackson]

Mae and MMM would be next to one another in alphebetization and 2 away from one another in the order posted by Tar in the beginning.

Oh yeah, I recall a MindScrew game where if we wanted to vote Player X, we'd have to vote Player X - 1 on the list. That's probably it. Good catch.

Can we lynch InScumshallibe now?

[Fraction Jackson]

In fact, didn't we have to lynch the mod in that game to end the confusion of voting for Player X - 1 all the time?

[Fraction Jackson]

It's possible all our targets are shifted by 1.

[Fraction Jackson]

Fraction, Mae, stop. Read my post. Don't ignore it. Something else must be at work. Since both things effected MMM most likely it was either his ability or an abilty someone used on him, NOT a game wide effect.

Give me the TL;DR version. One sentence.

[Fraction Jackson]

God damn it took me forever to catch up, 19 pages sheesh. One of dramonic/inhim is scum imo and deserve to feel the wrath of the death kitten.

vote dramonic

FoS Inhim

This post looks like a

FoS Scumbuddy
Vote Random Townie

Yeah.

unvote, un-FOS

vote: InHim
FOS: Chairman Mao
FOS: Chairman Mao
FOS: Chairman Mao
FOS: Chairman Mao

Tongue in cheek ^^^^

[Fraction Jackson]

I WANT TO SEE MORE INHIM VOTES DAMMIT

[Fraction Jackson]

As much as I enjoy the spam, it's decidedly lacking in InHim votes. But hey. Everyone's a critic.

[Fraction Jackson]

I've had DTMaster penciled in as town since early in the game, so the below is a no-brainer:

unvote, un-FOS
vote: Dramonic
FOS: Dramonic
vote: Dramonic
FOS: Dramonic
vote: Dramonic
FOS: Dramonic
vote: Dramonic
FOS: Dramonic

[Fraction Jackson]

I received a Hot Potato. I could detonate it and it would kill someone at random, or send it to another player.

I sent it to Chairman Mao.

[Fraction Jackson]

@Reck: No, because something got fucked up in regards to my protection of Kinetic and he managed to die.

Activate: Arthur's Mantle

Target: Tarhalindur
New Location: Lost in space

If this works and Tar is forced to change his location then we're lynching him because it means he's targettable.

We know he's targettable, why waste this action?

[Fraction Jackson]

Kairyuu is scum and wants to waste his action because he's afraid we'll catch him if he uses it on a townie?

[Fraction Jackson]

WOW, a hotlinking disallowed image!

[Fraction Jackson]

I just want to take a minute to express my enjoyment of Shotty's picture spam.

I can only imagine him being town.

[Fraction Jackson]

That last drawing appears to be inspired by Lucienne Day. She died this year.

[Fraction Jackson]

Since you guys

LOVE

piling posts on me:

Is that really true?

[Fraction Jackson]

NEWS FLASH

Chairman Mao was NOT a valid target for the Hot Potato I received in the mail.

Gonna try Tarhalindur.

[Fraction Jackson]

vote: Maemuki

- for being coy about her "helpful ability." It probably isn't.

[Fraction Jackson]

She seriously claimed Cult Leader?

Vote Maemuki

Are you taking other players' word for it, scumbag?

[Fraction Jackson]

Your appeals for us to wear kamina glasses are half-arsed, unenthusiastic, and unconvincing. Vague promises of something 'good' without specifics are very suspicious.

[Fraction Jackson]

So in other words, the wearing the glasses may allow to jailkeep someone?

If true we can force people to wear them if we think they are scum.

[Fraction Jackson]

Can Mae being a cult recruiter be confirmed by a recruit coming forward?

K thx bai

[Fraction Jackson]

Yeah we need to lynch Tar ASAP.

[Fraction Jackson]

I have yet to really get into this game and am completely lost >< Ani is neutral; Mae is likely jailkeeper; the cult has to wear Kamina glasses; should I know anything else?

Also, poor king of bastard modding, biting off more than he can chew...

If I were scum I'd be moaning about 'being lost' every second post, too.

[Fraction Jackson]

DIE SCUM DIE

I hate parties where I'm not invited

unvote, un-FOS
vote x10: Tarhalindur
FOS: Tarhalindur

[Fraction Jackson]

ZazieR is town.

[Fraction Jackson]

StrangeCougar is Dramonic's buddy.

[Fraction Jackson]

StrangeCougar is Dramonic's buddy.

If DTMaster is scum, then I'm willing to continue to support the fact that dramonic is, but you still need to please explain your thinking here. I cannot defend against stuff without evidence to support it.

DTMaster is obv town.

I changed my mind re the dramonic thing. Never mind. Brain fart.

[Fraction Jackson]

You still called me scum. I don't care if you refute your own statements about my scumminess in the same post; I want to know why you thought I was scum with dramonic.

You made a post in the general format of FOS scumbuddy, vote townie, however, this does not hold if the FOS scumbuddy turns out to be on a townie.

However, I'm not liking your reaction to it, I sense that you are trying to blow something out of proportion, and that would make you scum regardless of Mae and Dram's alignments. I have to think about this. I might iso you next time I have a half hour.

[Fraction Jackson]

unvote; vote: Maemuki

[Fraction Jackson]

On second thought...

Any chance we can hold this lynch off for a few minutes?

unvote

[Fraction Jackson]

TY. I hope I didn't lynch him on mistake. Either way, waiting for a response from Tar. Most likely the lynching will commence either way, just wanted to double check something.

[Fraction Jackson]

Meh, lynch time.

unvote;vote: Mae

[Fraction Jackson]

I want to know. Do you know?

[Fraction Jackson]

Question: DGB why did you post in a game that you aren't in. And thanks (?)

OOPS

[Fraction Jackson]

vote:ani

I've liked the Ani vote for a while, and I'm ok with quick-lynching him as fast, and with as few posts, as possible.

[Fraction Jackson]

Location Change: Somewhere boring

[Fraction Jackson]

hey guys
Tarhilandur (from Real Life) exists.
Do we have confirmation that the Chairman Mao role exists?

Location Change: the darkest depths of insanity

I think I did that right.

I was informed I needed to do that, although all I know is that it lets me keep posting. If I didn't I'd have been Redacted to hell, as it seems like Reck is being.

Wait this bugs me... Kinetic was informed that he needed to change his location but Kai targeted him successfully on day 1. Wut?

From what I understand this is also why Kinetic died. He was not supposed to have been forced to move and that mod error canceled out the the mod error that killed him despite having that protection.

[Fraction Jackson]

FJ when the pm comes in please confirm if Kai forced you to change.

Will do.

[Fraction Jackson]

Kairyuu does your item prevent me, should I actually be targeted, from leaving this room and then coming back?

[Fraction Jackson]

Who has the Death Scythe again, and would the send it to me?

[Fraction Jackson]

Have you used the scythe yet today?

[Fraction Jackson]

I think the CD is somehow linked to DTM. Also, no candy.

[Fraction Jackson]

Did phate take into account the possible ability shift?

[Fraction Jackson]

Did phate take into account the possible ability shift?

Here's the thing. From my perspective, either Haylen is lying or Phate is. According to the consensus, abilities shift 2 downward. If he accounted for this, and investigated Sociopath, then Haylen is likely scum. However, if he investigated Haylen then it would get redirected to ME, and I'm definitely not an Outsider.

Actually, I think there is one of three possibilities that don't include you.

1) There is an outsider who is not on the player list (ala in 28 or so)

2) Tar was the target (being around 28, maybe at that time) and on top of being Neutral Surviver he was also outsider (Kosh could do that).

or 3) It uses actual numbers, and it may have targeted Kinetic (the former #1), and since he is dead he is now an "outsider".

[Fraction Jackson]

note, I will be v/la until Monday

[Fraction Jackson]

Reck, care to share how it works?

[Fraction Jackson]

SocioPath is SoOoooooOo town
StrangeCoug is soOOOOOO scum

[Fraction Jackson]

DTMaster is town.

[Fraction Jackson]

unvote, vote StrangeCougar

[Fraction Jackson]

I think we need to have a party.

[Fraction Jackson]

And all of you are invited.

[Fraction Jackson]

Because this party.

[Fraction Jackson]

May win the game.

[Fraction Jackson]

Not right now. Waiting on Tar to respond now. Cookies later.

[Fraction Jackson]

Ani, 2 questions for you:
If I guaranteed you a spot in winning the game and protected you from lynch would you listen to me and use your power to help me win the game for the town?

How many and what items do you have right now?

If you answer honestly in both of these questions and do not try and deceive then I will hold up my end of the bargain and help you win as well.

[Fraction Jackson]

Yeah, just as confused here.

Do you still have the Death Scythe Plum? If so, HAVE YOU USED IT or not today. Yes or No will suffice.

Please answer this question.

Either way, change location to the one I'm currently at, send it to me using the Grant Item ability on it by sending it to the player two above me on the players list, and then change locations to another one.

(You use Grant Item by PMing the mod you are sending that item to the target person)

Thank you.

[Fraction Jackson]

Eff Jaaaaaaaaaay, they are taunting me! D:

So can I just state the obvious?

No. I don't know if you know what I know and I don't want speculation. I want to win this game and that requires Tar to respond to me. When he does then I can finally put my plan into motion. And most likely the first thing we're doing is killing Plum unless he responds to me asap.

[Fraction Jackson]

Change Location

Change Avatar

I love DGB's art but need a change.

Ok submit your action to grant me the item, then leave this location to ensure that only the people currently at it can target me.

Lastly, who did you Mark?

[Fraction Jackson]

Done. Now we wait for Tar.

...

Follow my last instructions. Target, not necessarily who it might have ended up targeting.

[Fraction Jackson]

ok good to know. We need to know if anyone was marked Day 2. Who had the Scythe then?

[Fraction Jackson]

I had the scythe for a while. The mark had already been used but Tar didn't tell me who was marked, and then it vanished from me and appeared on the ground.

You picked it up after Kinetic died, right? You lost it before Day 2? Do we know who picked it up from there, was it Plum?

[Fraction Jackson]

Plum, did you use it Day 2? Who did you target then? Was that Heylen? If so, who did you target Day 3?

[Fraction Jackson]

Hey guys remember what happened last time we sat around waiting for some grand plan to come to fruition? A townie died.

As I remember it you were constantly role fishing the entire time and kept threatening that bad things would happen. Are you making more threats to kill townies scum?

[Fraction Jackson]

Your role may be "confirmed", but it says nothing about your alignment or why you are acting anti-town.

[Fraction Jackson]

No, you are just painting with a very wide brush, just as you did with Kinetic.

As for your "confirmation", and saying Tar wouldn't give identical roles for two scum, these are all
speculation. I love it when people say something can't be done because that almost always means it has or will be done. Not only that, but your claim was that go copied your role, who better to copy then your most powerful scum buddy? You know what you are going to get afterall. You are so far from confirmed in any sense it's laughable.

You don't have any information and yet you know for a certainty so many things. Yes, you are acting anti town, and yes I think you could be scum.

[Fraction Jackson]

You still gloss over my claimed and confirmed day-kill that doesn't make any sense from a scum perspective. And you fail to vote. Come back when you're serious kthx. In the meantime I would be weary of giving any items to DGB/ani teamup.

"painting with a wide brush" What is that and why is it scummy? You keep spamming that I'm acting anti-town without any backing. Repeating it over and over doesn't make it true. Scum try to keep people from being confirmed textbook example here.

lol. I'm not voting because I'm waiting for something and I've already voted for someone else. I did not "gloss over" your list of stuff, I read it, and without a reveal from Dram its hard to tell if what you were doing was "for the town benefit" or "for the scum benefit". As it stands right now, I don't think you are the right person to lynch right now and I need more information before I definitely make that decision.

With that being said:

Frankly proof of a role or ability does NOT equal proof of an alignment. The fact that you are pushing it so hard is completely and utterly scummy. That sort of mentality will lose a NORMAL game, it is absolutely suicidal in a MIND SCREW game.

This is in addition to the blatent rolefishing against Kinetic when despite saying he would explain with time (and thinking he was under the protection of Kairyuu so he had that time). Those were mod errors that prevented him from completing whatever his plan was, not player errors.

I'm not asking you to think I'm town or scum right now, have whatever opinions you like, but base them on what I do not on your blatent fear mongering and attempts to poison the well. I see you already trying to paint whatever I say as scummy before I say it, and that in an of itself is is a scum ploy. You're making assumptions before you have all the facts. You have to make your conclusion fit the facts, not try to fit your facts into the conclusion you've already decided.

Your argument is scum try to keep people from being confirmed, but I'm not arguing that you don't have the role you claim. Fine, say you're confirmed of that until you are blue in the face, but that does not confirm your alignment in any way shape or form. It does not confirm that hp could not have been your scum buddy. It does not confirm that you couldn't be solo or a different scum group. It is good TOWN play to notice the differences and not let a potential scum slip under the radar because of a weak claim.

Even if completely believed your claim does nothing to confirm you, and pushing that it does is what scum would do. If anything this is a textbook example of overstating your claim and trying to prove assumptions that your evidence doesn't support.

[Fraction Jackson]

Why does #1384 seem off?

Because you want to try and get unwagoned and you see a few people who might consider voting me?

Seeing as one of your posts was trying to convince me to unwagon SG and vote you, I find this post perplexing and slightly funny.

[Fraction Jackson]

God. I need to sleep. No more posting until I return, ok?

Reck, you are in the phased area. You cannot effect anyone in the unphased area. What does banhammer do?

I need the following information:

Ani, are you with us? Read my idea.

He who shall not be named - Jack, I need a full claim from you. I plan on full claiming after you are done, but I need to confirm something first and to do that you have to claim before me.

Please please please do NOT post until these questions are answered. Additionally anyone who enters Kairyuu's phased area who is not myself, Sera, kair, or Reck will be QUICK Lynched. You have been warned.

He is a little teaser, I am confirmed town, I will prove it with my claim, and I will clear Kair, Sera, AND Reck with my claim. But I need Jack to full claim first, it is important.

[Fraction Jackson]

Yeah but Shotty is town and I love the pictures.

[Fraction Jackson]

You would love the pictures... -.-. I, on the other hand, am not such a huge fan.

Either way, I'm going to start explaining my plan without giving my full claim for now. Once CJ and Ani respond I'll then full claim and explain the rest.

First:

Kairyuu, Reck, myself, and Seraphim are completely and confirmed town (pending a mafia godfather). We will use Kairyuu's ability to stay alive for the rest of the game and between us we control 6 votes, enough to swing most any major wagon.

Obviously my confirmation of the other three's townieness is requires me to prove myself town, which I will when I full claim.

Once I receive the Death Scythe from Plum we will start using it to eliminate people. As the two other people who are alive and have had the Death Scythe before know, the Death Scythe HAS NOT KILLED ANYONE IN THE GAME yet. Plum, I haven't received it yet though, has anyone else received it? If not, with the ability shifting in place it might be better just to have you drop it and one of the four of us pick it up. Once that takes place the Death Scythe is a strong part of my plan, and is part of how I will clear myself.

Second, here is how I view the people in the game right now in terms of scumminess:

Town, Confirmed

2) Kairyuu
4) xRECKONERx
8) Fraction Jackson
19) Seraphim

Town, Unconfirmed
3) Plum (rep. malthusis)
14) Cobalt
16) Phate

Neutral, Leaning Town
17) Candle Jack
20) SocioPath
26) Shotty to the Body
21) DTMaster

Neutral, Leaning Scum
13) Flava Flave
12) ortolan

Strong Scum Vibes
10) raider8169 (rep. Boxman)
5) ZazieR (rep. Bogre)
18) StrangerCoug

Other
11) animorpherv1

Azazel and Dramonic are both out of the game right now, I'm guessing by Banhammer, and I assume they will be returning.

Currently, if what I read is correct, either Azazel or Kairyuu was marked by Plum on mistake. It is possible that no one was marked though. We will fix that hopefully.

Third, once we have the Scythe, the four of us will use its ability to pass it between the four of us so that it is never in once place at a time. We will either pull someone into our room to be judged by the Scythe or one of us with the Scythe will jump out, use the ability, and then jump back in.

Finally, we are going to start quick-lynching. We don't want to many abilities that are based on post counts to continually refresh, so now that we have a confirmed group of townies, and a semi-strong group of suspected townies, at this point in the game it is IMPERATIVE that we use this advantage and start quick lynching suspected scum.

@DTM

I want you to use your ability to find Chairman Mao. We need to remove him to learn what ability shenanigans is going on. If Mao is town he should at this point sacrifice himself and out himself. If he is scum, WE ARE COMING FOR YOU!

Start with checking Cobalt, Flava Flave, or Raider (preferably Raider). I already know what I need to know about CJ, I just need his claim before mine to confirm something else.

Lynch today will be SC, as soon as these things are done I'll full claim and confirm myself.

[Fraction Jackson]

@Kairyuu or anyone else

: If you have a way to confirm someone, please confirm Cobalt and then Phate, in that order. If we can trust Cobalt completely this game is pretty much over with the amount of votes he would bring to the town group.

[Fraction Jackson]

sig change

unrelated. Does anyone besides me wonder why S_B's role wasn't revealed? I just noticed that.

9) Snow_Bunny, Agatha Heterodyne (from Girl Genius), Banhammered Day 1 (post 715), Died Day 2

???

[Fraction Jackson]

Oh and what's with the bipolarness between posts 1417 and 1419 FJ? Makes it sound like multiple people playing the same account.

Multiple? MULTIPLE??? Are you out of your mind?

It's more like, FRACTIONS.

[Fraction Jackson]

Oh and what's with the bipolarness between posts 1417 and 1419 FJ? Makes it sound like multiple people playing the same account.

Multiple? MULTIPLE??? Are you out of your mind?

It's more like, FRACTIONS.

I think he's catching on. lol

But interesting, yea, I didn't notice the lack of a role name either...

[Fraction Jackson]

Seraphim, what did you gain from the subgame?

[Fraction Jackson]

NM Seraphim, I figured it out.

[Fraction Jackson]

CJ, Ani, you both need to post.

[Fraction Jackson]

FJ, why am I confirmed town?

Because I confirmed you town. It will be apparent in my full claim. Cobalt and Phate understand it partially now I think.

[Fraction Jackson]

For what it's worth, I like Cobalt for town as well.

I'm leaning that way too. But I don't have mod-confirmed proof on him.

[Fraction Jackson]

Trying to decide if the amount of votes we have just wins the game or not, lol.

unvote;vote:StrangerCoug

[Fraction Jackson]

Plum, when you get on just drop the Scythe if you still have it. If anyone picks it up but myself, Sera, Reck or Kair, we lynch them.

[Fraction Jackson]

Also Plum, if you don't drop it, we lynch you.

[Fraction Jackson]

Just go ahead and drop it now and I'll grab it.

[Fraction Jackson]

Grab Death's Scythe

[Fraction Jackson]

Grab: Death's Scythe

[Fraction Jackson]

Any action from he who shall not be named?

What about Ani? Well Ani can wait, its not imperative. But I need CJ to claim before I do or else I might not be able to believe him and have to insist on his lynch.

[Fraction Jackson]

Hmm... was plum allowed to drop the death scythe? Tar said invalid action.

[Fraction Jackson]

@FJ: I can confirm Cobalt. Rather, I can get Cobalt to confirm himself. It may take a little while though, because Tar has to resolve two different abilities.

Perfect. Do it.

Plum, send it to Colbalt, target the person 2 above him.

In the meantime Cobalt you can join the phased area once you get the Scythe.

[Fraction Jackson]

Frak... Seraphim died because Kairyuu wasn't around.

Frak Frak Frak. Well... that is annoying as frak.

In the big scheme of things he's only one vote and not the most powerful of us, but who knows what his ability was... >>

And great, now we need Ort to come back and talk...

In the mean time can we lynch StrangerCoug.

I'm not going to full claim until CJ does, however here should be enough to confirm me town:

I'm Kinetic. Cobalt and Plum can confirm this as I know how the Death Scythe works and only 4 people in the whole game know that, MMM, Kinetic, Cobalt, and Plum. I bread-crumbed it earlier and proved it via PM to Cobalt.

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[Fraction Jackson]

@FJ: Untrue. Seraphim never left scumchat. I doubt he would have been targetted for death otherwise, since I didn't flip until the same post he did, so scum wouldn't know that he became targettable.

Ah, well crap that crap. Stupid Seraphim being afk.

[Fraction Jackson]

@Cobalt
I think me. I'll confirm via the next inspection.

@FJ
Aside: Been meaning to ask: Is that avatar related to SSK/CSL in some way?

I (Kinetic) made them all.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13669

Kinetic uses Hope. This one basically means Life. Ani is using Greed (lol), while SSK has Will and CSL has compassion.

[Fraction Jackson]

Pretty sure it is live too, if only because of how things were effecting things.

[Fraction Jackson]

I'm thinking Q has an ability where things aren't redirected from him or something. Either way I'm thinking we needs to lynch Q.

[Fraction Jackson]

Plum, do you still have the scythe? Did you ask Tar?

[Fraction Jackson]

lol, did you just kill him?

[Fraction Jackson]

Ok, multiple things.

Scythe is lost. I had it for a moment and then lost it (gained it 1425, lost it 1450). No idea where it is now.

It was NOT used yet on Day 3 (grumble). So, whoever has it most likely is scum or scummy. Or maybe is Ani. (grumble)

Also, CJ:

Tar lynch is still probably a good idea, Cobalt feels scummy (at least one of my main accounts - no, I can't tell you who - has played with him before, and he's not playing like I remember), MMM is a village idiot - I'd say newbscum, but Cobalt pushing for that lynch makes me wary - Fraction Jackson is probably like me, and I'll look into Azazel.

Unvote, Vote: Cobalt

for now.

Nothing in your claim mentions how you might be like me, which is what I think as well.... It sounds like you are a hydra account from this post yet you made no mention to that, which seems scummy.

At the same time you implicate Raider who is HIGH on my scum list, so now I'm not so sure.

I'm a hydra account, right now Kinetic is the most dominant personality.

As for my fullclaim, since I promised it:

I am "The Collective", basically Haruhi's Data god thingy. I'm several players who have access to this account. They have some abilities of their own, but one of them is they can add dead players to the collective. They added myself (Kinetic) and gained my abilities.

I was FINALLY fucking able to use my ability, and it allows me to Analyze one wagon in the game that has at least 25% of all the votes in the game on it, here is what it was:

Use Kinetic's Analyze Wagon on the Snow Bunny's Wagon as of post 645.

This ability will be used by "Fraction Jackson" mind Kinetic on post 1350.

9) Snow_Bunny (7) - Kinetic, Maemuki, xRECKONERx, Seraphim, animorpherv1, Kairyuu, xRECKONERx

For your convieience I have copied the wagon I intend to analyze. As there are 7 votes out of 28 or less at the time, this wagon counts toward the conditions of the ability.

Thank you.

The result was 4 town and 2 neutrals. The 2 neutrals being Maemuki and Ani, that clears 4 townies, save if there is a godfathers. Then Seraphim goes and dies.

bleh.

[Fraction Jackson]

My Wheel of Fate is Turning has spit out the following numbers: 2 (Day 1), 4 (Day 2), 0 (Day 3). No idea what that's all about.

If this is what I think it is, this is amazing.

o.O?

Can you explain that?

[Fraction Jackson]

Were you right about what Kinetic was talking about?

That the game is pretty much based solely around post counts?
And that virtually every active role in this game is activated based on post counts?
Including scum kills so spamming or stalling are both a double edged sword?
And that the account had a powerful ability they had been waiting to use?
Hence the posting splurge to get to 1350?
And then the wait and see?
And that when someone tells you not to post anything until they figure something out they mean LITERALLY DO NOT POST ANYTHING?

Or were you referring to something else?

Yea, if you notice in my claim it activates on post 1350, lol.

Kairyuu, Cobalt explained it, the banhammer item removes someone from the game for two game days.

Since I got the Scythe I'm going to assume that Socio's point is correct.

As for the formula in CJ's post, I created that formula (with my original Kinetic role), and it is actually a limit where X->positive infinity. The correct answer is 4, although I'm not sure why that is important either, I'm expecting something to happen on Day 4 maybe.

[Fraction Jackson]

Can we finish lynching Coug now please?

[Fraction Jackson]

MAJOR SCUM

Ort, Dram, Flava.

I already told you what happened to the Scythe. It came to me and then someone took it 25 posts later.

Ort: No.

Dram: LOL, don't do that Kairyuu.

Flava Flave: Nice of you to join the game.

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Three scummy people, sitting in a row. Kill Stranger Coug and then we'll all get some more.

Dear Town,

Lynch Stranger Coug,

Love, FJ

[Fraction Jackson]

Cobalt, I don't know if you Granade worked.

[Fraction Jackson]

Why have we stalled and not lynched like 3 people already?

[Fraction Jackson]

rubble rabble, VC pls

[Fraction Jackson]

Oh, why am I scum now, oh wise FJ <<

What DTM said, plus the fact that you were lynched and didn't do the courteous townie thing and die.

[Fraction Jackson]

Oh, why am I scum now, oh wise FJ <<

What DTM said, plus the fact that you were lynched and didn't do the courteous townie thing and die.

dramonic wasn't lynched. He merely vanished and came back.

I also want to know why dying is "the courteous townie thing" for dramonic to do. This seems to imply that you know something about dramonic's alignment, but I'm willing to accept that as untrue.

He was lynched, that was why the day ended in no lynch.

If he was confirmed town I would treat him as such. Not dying and not being revealed is scummy and annoying, especially for the first lynch. I'd have to check back, but if dram knew that was going to happen and did nothing to prevent it (which it seems like he did know), then that was SCUMMY as hell to make the town waste a lynch.

As for Dram's idea. I like it, however I'd prefer if EVERYONE was in different locations. That way some scum couldn't use that time to kill Kairyuu.

Cobalt

You should go to a different location at this time.

[Fraction Jackson]

Any random one. We could use Dram's ability to confirm you that way if someone tried to kill you.

It would be sort of a semi-protection while still protecting us should I be wrong and you are scum.

[Fraction Jackson]

Fraction Jackson - After double-checking with Tar, I'm allowed to confirm that I am NOT a hydra account. I hadn't actually realized you are a hydra before you mentioned it, though it's kinda obvious now that I think about it.

I traded using this account for a guaranteed position in the game (my main account doesn't appear on the candidate list). Don't ask for more, because I can't provide it.

I suppose so, I was kind of hoping finding flavor info of the people before such from your results so see if it matched up.

But everyone has been saying that everything has been shifted 2.
Then people were confused, saying they didn't know where things were going.
Then people seem to, while trying for the shift of 2, actually target the person they were aimed at.

2
4
0

Those numbers could very well mean the shifting player targets.

This... makes a lot of sense. Especially since it would explain why DTMaster got the Comptina Daemonia back; if Plum tried to send the Comptina Daemonia to the player two slots above me and it shifted down four slots, the Comptina Daemonia would have wound up with... DTMaster.

It would also explain the result Tar just sent me - I think I know what caused that Scumchat effect (though what character would have XylBot flavor text is a different question entirely).

I know who you just scanned, don't worry about it I think he's town.

[Fraction Jackson]

Does anyone else think ani has the scythe? And that he needs to die now?

I'm afraid I'm thinking that or another item hunter is around...

Is Ani in somewhere boring?

[Fraction Jackson]

DTM: Cobalt is pretty trustworthy. Outside the field him or Phate are good choices imo.

[Fraction Jackson]

Also, anyone who thinks they're town should CHANGE LOCATION to something unique. We're going to keep Dram alive for a little while to see if his ability is true.

Snowbunny is dead already Cobalt.

Plum/Ani dying isn't a bad thing, but I think SC is best lynch for now.

[Fraction Jackson]

Ort: No.

I fail to see any pro-town reason for not providing information about an ability which you've already used. I'm not particularly willing to take everything you've said at face value until you offer some proof that you are what you claim to be.

also I still quite like a StrangerCoug lynch, not sure what the votecount is right now though.

Then you have NO imagination. I can think of several ways scum could use that information. Principally I don't think you are town so I have no motivation to try and honor your request. You tell me why it is relevant and I'll consider it.

As for proof, what more proof do you need? I've proven I'm Kinetic three different ways until Sunday (First, the breadcrumb/confirmation that I knew the Death Scythe's abilities before I required it, only something Plum, Cobalt, Kinetic and MMM could have known) which has been confirmed by Cobalt.

Second look at the rapid change in demeanor after the Kinetic player was "removed from game" from the Fraction Jackson account. The player in charge is not the same one who was running this account from the start. Since I joined the group maybe 10 posts have not been made by me.

Third, if you need further proof, SHOTTY AND I had nearly the EXACT same argument when I was using my power as FJ as he did when I was trying to use it as Kinetic.

Do you doubt my townieness? Well how much more proof can you have. Kinetic was mod-confirmed town by his death, I cleared 3 townies plus half cleared a few more with my claims, none of which have been even slightly disputed yet.

The ONLY thing you could think is that I am Kinetic, and that some how my alignment changed when I joined this group, but point in fact it hasn't. I have been acting the same way when I was here Day 1 as I have since I gained control of this account. Every move I've made has been with the towns interest at heart and so damn far most of them have done a pretty damn good job.

But there is more work to be done, principally we need to LYNCH and LYNCH fast, with as few posts as possible, and kill 3-6 people as fast as possible.

not scum, just not into taking unnecessary risks. as far as I'm aware fraction jackson's done nothing to actually prove the account is what it's supposed to be, or how the game would be balanced with the abilities it has access to. I want the text of the analyse wagon ability. Why is fraction jackson trying to keep us in the dark as much as possible?

How much more CAN I do to prove it. "As far as I'm aware" is a great catch for yourself, because if you'd been paying attention it would be pretty obvious this account is not normal.

Plus, Kinetic's ability was a ONE SHOT ability. Its balanced because its INCREDIBLY hard to pull off, should have been used (and may have been imagined to be used) differently, but I instead tried to use it to clear a slew of people instead of try and narrow down a scum in a group of people. And frankly that's all I have to say on that matter. If you want to know more, read my role PM when Tar posts is after the town wins the game.

I'm not DGB, who everyone believed this was an alt of, but DGB can post through here as well. You can see her style in some of the FJ posts. Mine is completely different and it should be obvious at the VERY least more than one player has access to this account.

You can want whatever the hell you like, but until YOU provide reasons WHY I should trust you, think you're town, or maybe even why it is relevant I don't feel any reason to honor such a request.

[Fraction Jackson]

Then you have NO imagination. I can think of several ways scum could use that information.

I can't. You've already used the ability, if we're going to take it as gospel we can at least see how it functions.

Its balanced because its INCREDIBLY hard to pull off

How?

should have been used (and may have been imagined to be used) differently, but I instead tried to use it to clear a slew of people instead of try and narrow down a scum in a group of people.

Well considering a requirement is supposedly that you have at least 25% of the people in the game on the wagon, this means you're always going to get heaps of information out of the ability (if it actually exists), not just that one person in particular is scum. I fail to see how this wouldn't be accounted for.

but until YOU provide reasons WHY I should trust you

No, if you're not going to comply, you can at very least give (good) reasons why you think I'm scum. My concerns are valid and are yet to be addressed.

I'm not DGB, who everyone believed this was an alt of, but DGB can post through here as well. You can see her style in some of the FJ posts. Mine is completely different and it should be obvious at the VERY least more than one player has access to this account.

Or this is all an elaborate gambit by the original owner of the account. If what you are claiming is true you are being unnecessarily cryptic about your role, and you haven't even given one good reason why you can't detail how your analyse wagon ability works.

Basically if you're telling the truth the game is already won anyway, but I want to rule out the possibility that you're lying first.

Also

Unvote
Vote: StrangerCoug

Your role was an information role in vortex that I designed, and you chose Mary's Funeral.

[Fraction Jackson]

what?

That was your role in the last game I modded, was it not? You are still not convinced I'm Kinetic. I am. If you aren't even convinced of that little amount of obvious information how can you possibly think about anything else?

With all the proof I've given so far, all of the points I've made, all of them you've ignored. How can I expect that if I continue to provide information, information at this point I think could help the scum to divulge unless given proper reason to, you will believe me then?

Give me reason other than "because you want me to", because frankly you have 0 credibility in my book. I don't need to make a case for you, I'm not intending to vote you now, but that doesn't force upon me the obligation to assume you are town unless I'm willing to lynch you right now.

No, frankly you'll still be a skeptic no matter how much I give you.

I've told you what I will, you need to make the decision to trust it at this point as I'm not giving you more.

[Fraction Jackson]

O, you weren't in Vortex, that was chamber... Well I can't think of a game we were in together than.

[Fraction Jackson]

Theory: Fraction Jackson is some sort of neutral/anti-town role that is using the kill flavor 'vanished without a trace.' After it kills the dead player becomes part of it and that entire bloc wins when it/they has/have absorbed X amount of people. SK?

Discuss.

lol? Read the claim, I wasn't absorbed until I was removed from the game, not when I died.

O, you weren't in Vortex, that was chamber... Well I can't think of a game we were in together than.

actually we were in Lynch all lurkers and that game spyrex modded ages ago.

I don't particularly disbelieve you but I'm curious as to the timing of the transition of the account from DGB to your own hands, assuming she can't post in it anymore.

I was added to the collective when I was removed from the game. Anyone else with access to this account can still access it. I am reluctant to out any of them though as that is their choice. Technically they are not players in the game though, the account is the "player".

I've just been the most active/dominant personality you could say since I rejoined.

[Fraction Jackson]

Kayriuu needs to get over here and either accept or refuse my proposition. I'm wasting post charges here.

Is your ability already active? The way I understand it is you submit it, after a kill, Kairyuu changes location, and his ability "activates" 125 posts before it actually did, effectively blocking a potential kill on someone.

Wouldn't it not matter if Kairyuu accepts until right after a kill? He can change locations to that location and then you activate your ability to retroactively change when he changed locations.

[Fraction Jackson]

Hello!

[Fraction Jackson]

Eh I was a little errr.... out of it last night when I posted that I missed your claim sorry.

The toes are HORRIFYING.

[Fraction Jackson]

SC: I'm working from a quick lynch, kill as many unconfirmed as possible because the vote count mechanics are going to KILL the town if we stall for long periods of time.

The only reason you are not lynched is because the wagon has stalled waiting for a vote count because one of the town said there is a possibility of vote shenanigans.

You are not the last who will be trained like this.

If you have a way of proving yourself, or can help the town with your death, then point it at another unconfirmed.

Right now, I've told you who I'm "protecting". Kairyuu, Reck, myself. Sera was on that list until he died. I'd prefer if you didn't kill Cobalt or Phate either, but we can bring them back if you do with Dram/Kairyuu's ability.

I feel the same you do about dram, but right now I want to keep him alive to confirm another townie before he is narrowed. Don't think it'll fool me if his ability works, he'll likely still die, but at least it will have been useful to the town first.

If you have to kill someone with Vengeful, this is my list of approved targets, kill preferably a lurker.

3) Plum (rep. malthusis)
5) ZazieR (rep. Bogre)
10) raider8169 (rep. Boxman)
12) ortolan
13) Flava Flave
17) Candle Jack
26) Shotty to the Body

Of that list: Zazier, Flava, and raider are hardcore lurking and I wouldn't mind any of the three dead. Zazier is the worst, Flava and raider pop in from time to time, and that might be more scummy.

CJ I haven't confirmed, however I'm leaning toward town, plus he does have the nifty tell us how abilities move.... ability.

If you want my "case" on you, I don't have one. I need to start killing and narrowing unconfirmed as fast as possible and you're the first on the chopping block. You just drew the short straw in my mind.

If it makes you feel better, I'm pretty sure this strategy is a town win one if townies keep acting like townies and don't try and sabotage it.

[Fraction Jackson]

CJ is Tar I'm starting to think, lol.

[Fraction Jackson]

Tar the player, which I'm pretty sure is consensus exists, or an actual Tar alt?

CJ is kind of acting like Tar did when in MSM3 we we going to lynch his mod account. He pretended he was a "player" controlling Tar. What I'm starting to wonder is if Tar is controlling an alt account, as a player, with certain limitations.

I think he knew we'd lynch of otherwise kill the Tar account, so he made another one, an alt account in the game, to try and see if he could survive that way.

It would be interesting, and I'm not sure how much I'm tied to the idea, but it was just a stray thought.

[Fraction Jackson]

I've been considering that for awhile, FJ - earlier I suggested DTM's avatar could mean he is another aspect of Tar, but everyone shot me down for it.

Perhaps a Tar role, or maybe he just chose that when she needed an avatar with the glasses. Which is what I thought when I saw it.

[Fraction Jackson]

1. I'm still here.
2. Reck is town.
3. I'm town.
4. FJ is town.
5. Cobalt is probably town.
6. FJ confirmed several people due to the fact that Kinetic is part of the FJ account and can still use his ability (and did).

Cobalt, I don't see it as resolved. It still looks like a contradiction to me.

Kairyuu,
1.Did I miss you on the list? I'm skeptical that you are "confirmed" town. I could very easily see a game like this having a role that allows a scum to fake their death with a town result. At first, I bought it. But I'm skeptical now and thought you were scummy to begin with.
2.Why?
3.No.
4.Meh, maybe, maybe not.
5.No.
6.Is there a list somewhere of who has been confirmed?

On 1: Kairyuu is pretty damn super confirmed. Unless he both has a godfather ability AND a fake kill ability AND a death anti-miller ability, which would be crazy broken all on one character, hell, all of that would be crazy broken on a single scum team, he is confirmed.

Add to that his play has been pretty much impeccable AND his ability has been pretty much mod-confirmed AND would have blocked a kill, save for mod error, I think I feel confident that Kairyuu is the most confirmed townie ever in a game. Ever. Even in Mind Screw I'd stake the game (and kind of have) on him being town.

More than anyone on the list I've confirmed, Kairyuu is #1.

2, 3, 4, and 6: Reck, Kairyuu, and Seraphim (although Sera died, rat bastard), were confirmed town by my ability. Effectively, the ONLY possiblity I see right now is Reck COULD be a Godfather. I say COULD because its highly unlikely. If he is, Cobalt is confirmed in my opinion, however from what I know about Cobalt and his interaction with Reck, if Reck was scum Cobalt would be dead.

As for 5, and Cobalt, I feel reasonably sure enough that Cobalt is town to give him some protection, but not sure enough to admit him into the locked safety zone of Kairyuu's bubble. That being said the Kairyuu/Dram ability is in play to protect Cobalt, should be be killed, and if Dram and Cobalt are town, then the mafia is shitting in their pants by the combined vote pressure the town can swing very quickly. (Between Kairyuu, Reck, myself and Cobalt alone we control 9 votes)

If Cobalt is town and Dram is scum, while I hate risking it, I'd prefer to trade 1 for 1 any townie for scum. If scum enter the Kairyuu prison to try and quick kill him they're in for a surprise, on top of having to out one of their own to trade for just for the attempt.

[Fraction Jackson]

Fraking mother fraking hell. I've been trying not to do that. >>

[Fraction Jackson]

Kairyuu did Dram activate his ability on you, and if so should we do a shift to "Quebec, Canada?" If so we can save him and have another confirmed town to the group.

If we do this everyone inside (myself and Reck) need to change locations first, and then you change after us, and that way, retroactively, you were in there first and we were all under your protection.

Please no one spam until Kairyuu gets back to confirm this or not.

[Fraction Jackson]

Also, [DONT SAY HIS NAME], what does your wheel tell us?

No one else should post unless its important.

[Fraction Jackson]

Lastly, after thinking about it for a while, Cobalt I want you to change to Quebec, Canada as well and join the safety zone we have set up.

If you're scum I'd want to know now rather than later and I'd be willing to sacrifice if need be. If you're town without the safety net I'd like to protect you. Additionally I'm thinking that Dram was kill specifically to stop us from protecting you circumspectly.

[Fraction Jackson]

Mod: I count 19 votes and 13 FOSes, just checking for mod errors.

[Fraction Jackson]

If I had to guess, the aspects of Tar might include one of the personalities in this group that I'm part of with FJ, [Don't say his name], and perhaps DTM.

Socio, are you or DTM part of memetic?

[Fraction Jackson]

Also, I agree with the Ani kill in place of not knowing something else since he has refused to accept my request for him to join the light side.

I hate to do this, but

Vote:Ani

Any items he drops should ONLY be picked up by myself, Reck, or Kairyuu. Or maybe Cobalt.

[Fraction Jackson]

Shotty, send your item to Cobalt.

[Fraction Jackson]

Shotty, I sent SC a lie that said I had confirmed Ort town and was playing up his scummyness in the thread to protect him for now.

In fact that was a complete lie, and in reality I had targeted Ort (on mistake) with the Death Scythe's mark effect on Day 1 as Kinetic.

Basically if he was scum I tricked him into killing someone I wanted to narrow anyway (and would have once I got the Scythe back) and if he was town he'd have avoided someone I intended to narrow anyway. A win-win as far as I was concerned.

Also, try to post either all above or below the image. I miss sometimes things you write if you do both.