For that thing in that one game on that other time.
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Why do you consider not random voting antitown, Sens? Surely it's in the town's best interests to get out of the random stage ASAP? I mean sure if themannerin which someone attempts to first take things seriously is a bit suss then that's something to look at but I don't consider the action itself in any way a bad thing.
As far as other recent stuff goes... not seeing much in either Elscouta (the "scumclaim" was pretty clearly a joke and therefore a nulltell) or xvart.
Unvote, Vote: Drippereth- the vote on Elmocrates coming a whole 3 minutes after being called out on not voting for any of their suspects in the previous post doesn't look great.tread softly because you tread on my dreams
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That makes sense. I don't see as much in randomness as you apparently do (that's not to say that I don't look at all) so it's a matter of playstyle I suppose.SensFan wrote:Bob: I get a shitload of tells from the way people random vote. Therefore, I find it anti-town if people opt not to random vote, since only Scum would have something to hide.-
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Sorry about the posting gap, Easter weekend is a busy one for me.
I'll post something more substantial tomorrow (too tired to focus on very many things atm) but I do want to just look at this:
And say lol? I don't even know how to react to this becausekmd wrote:I'm scum and don't want people to realize you've figured out my entire scum team's plot to make you look as bad as possible by piling every single one of our votes on you.nobodyis dumb enough to say this unsarcastically; but on the other hand you aren't showing any objective signs of actually being sarcastic.tread softly because you tread on my dreams
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To be honest I haven't really been reading much, the last day or two have pretty much been one thing after another IRL (mostly due to Easter family gatherings) and I haven't been able to be very active on the internet at all. There's nothing on today (ironically enough given that it's Easter Sunday) so I will be able to read everything and actually get back into the game proper.Budja wrote:^ that is suss as Cyberbob has no such reaction over's Elscouta claim.
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Alrighty, so this post is basically gettingbackuptospeed.txt:
Starting reading from my post on the 2nd, which is Post 64:- Elmocrates' Post 66 makes some strong points against xvart, more specifically the ones about his lack of pressure on Elscouta after putting his vote down.
- Starbuck's Post 73 makes another good point though I would have liked it if she'd gone a bit further into who specifically she thinks was being opportunistic.
- xvart's Post 79 is logically coherent enough (as long as you accept the rather iffy premise about Elscouta's intentions) but his response to Elmocrates' aforementioned point about his lack of pressure feels really disingenuous. It also took an explicit statement from Elscouta about the meaning of his post for xvart to finally get what almost everyone else had ages ago.
- Kmd's Post 84 is a good one.
- I disagree with Iec's Post 86, or at least his argument about Kmd's treatment of Sens' point. If I saw someone consistently doing something I found very scummy/antitown I would try and stamp that behaviour out with policy lynches.
- Agree with Drippereth's Post 90 in the sense that Starbuck was certainly defending Elscouta but I don't know if I'd say that they're definitelyscumbuddies if one of them is scum. Townies attack what they perceive to be bad cases all the time.
- Don't like xofelf's Post 94. Gut feeling.
- I wish J-Scope would have gone into a bit more detail about why he has a town read on xvart in Post 99. He does put into words rather nicely my feeling about xofelf's post however.
- I don't like the way xvart keeps portraying other people's arguments in stupidly outlandish rhetorical questions. Kinda smells of strawmanning IMO.
- Starbuck's Post 103 is nice in that she finally goes into who she was talking about and why she isn't voting them, but I would've liked a little more than two one-liners.
- Don't like all the talk about previous games and whatnot in the middle of Page 5, I don't really see that it has much relevance to this one.
- Wow, ooba's reasoning for voting xvart in Post 128 is terrible.
- Both FeFiFoFum's and Anon's votes for xvart in Posts 144 and 145 respectively are pretty lazy.
- I wish SensFan wouldn't be so caught up in discussing meta tells, but like the RVS chat earlier that's a matter of playstyle I guess. Would still be nice if he could find some time to talk about something else.
- xvart does a good job of explaining himself in Post 152 I feel, it would have been handy of him to do so earlier though considering how much attention he has continued to tie up (that is now apparently invalid).
- The Page 7 discussion about breadcrumbing is almost totally incoherent; the non sequiturs are flying thick and fast from all sides. I would love to know where the hell Jack came up with the cop-word though.
- Don't like SocioPath's vote in Post 171. This game is building a very long list of lazy votes.
- Budja's Post 172 is playing both sides of the fence bigtime.
- I still don't get Kmd's comment in Post 175 that I highlighted earlier. I must be thick.
- Cobalt has been absolutely useless. 4 posts all game, two of them being nothing more than unvote/votes and the other two being nonsensical oneliners.
- Re Budja's 202: Elscouta's "claim" was really stupidly obviously referring to a previous game from the very beginning. Kmd's is clearly just as obviously something similarly innocuous; can someone explain to me what that is?
- More metachat (and nothing else) from xofelf in Post 203. Talk about something else please.
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Damn Iec. If I'd known that one dotpoint of disagreement on a fairly minor issue was going to draw that kind of a frenzy out of you I wouldn't have stopped there.
Have you even looked at Cobalt in isolation? I don't think you have.Iecerint wrote:His only allusion to Cobalt is to claim that he is "useless," whereas one of said posts points out a totally reasonable inconsistency in CB's behavior. (Well, at least a respond-to-able one.)
I think you're getting a bit full of yourself there broheim. You made like three posts (not including those dumb EBWOPs - I would advise taking the time to think your posts through fully before hitting Submit) about him, all of which either took way too many words to say what you were saying or were simply intellectual masturbation.Iecerint wrote:He also ignores the Iec-Jack issue 100%, which possibly implies an unfavorable Jack connection.
So you're writing paragraph after frenzied paragraph about my play but you can't even be bothered to read it. Nice one. In this one (1) case I will aid your illiteracy by quoting the part where I addressed Budja's point, but from now on I don't think it's too much to expect people to read my posts in a game of mafia.Iecerint wrote:Unvote; Vote: Cyberbob. I think Budja's point about the discrepancy between Cyberbob's behavior relative to Els and Kmd was shaky-ish, but CB's failure to address it looks bad. Also, what he DID address looks bad. I can't speak for the aspects of his bulleted listthat I can't be bothered to read through right now; correct me if there's isolated brilliance in there somewhere, please.Re Budja's 202: Elscouta's "claim" was really stupidly obviously referring to a previous game from the very beginning. Kmd's is clearly just as obviously something similarly innocuous; can someone explain to me what that is?
Hahaha, yeah okay. I guess that explains all the retarded LOL @'s, IMO's and XD's.Iecerint wrote:/drunkpost
yur rite thats totaly how it hapend!!1Iecerint wrote:Cobalt: VOTE CB
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CB: HI GUYS. IT IS EASTER. THEREFORE, I WILL CATCH UP LATER!
CB: CATCH-UP POST! HOWEVER, I WILL REFRAIN FROM ADDRESSING COBALT/BUDJA'S ISSUE! BUDJA AND COBALT ARE SCUM THO! I WILL VOTE COBALT BECAUSE HE IS USELESS! (HERE ARE SOME OTHER FACTS ABOUT THE GAME SO THAT THIS IS NOT PURELY AN OMGUS POST.)
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Ah, okay. I wish he would quote the posts he's responding to, but that makes sense.Steam-Powered Shovel wrote:CyberBob, I believe kmd was mocking this comment of xvart:xvart wrote:Knowing my alignment and the target I put on myself I felt/feel that there are probably some scum on my wagon right now, so I started pushing back.-
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Sorry for the triple post, I missed this:
I look at it and all I see is someone setting himself up for a possible switch to another, more up-and-coming, wagon without running the risk of being called opportunistic. I feel more or less the same way about all those "well IBudja wrote:@Cyber, This is "sleazy waffling" . Elaborate please?mightvote X but then again I might not - and if I do/don't it's someone else's fault" posts. Say that you like both wagons, sure - that's hardly an uncommon phenomenon regardless of alignment. But as soon as you start waffling about which one you might end up hopping on that just comes off as deliberately setting yourself up to avoid suspicion no matter what happens.-
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It was a bit of rhetoric.Jack wrote:What?
Yeah, someone pointed that out for me. S'cool.Kmd4390 wrote:I see Cyberbob keeps mentioning my scumclaim. Basically, I was getting sick of Xvart's assumptions that anyone who says they are scum in the RVS must be and then he goes on to say that Farside and I are clearing him and stuff so yeah.
No, you're dumb. I haven't posted too many posts but the ones I have have all had a lot more content than Cobalt's. I don't think you've put any effort into this at all.Iecerint wrote:The only @ Cobalt I saw weakly discredited Cobalt on grounds CB himself was probably guilty of (given that it was a catch-up post)
You're reading a lot more into that than is actually there. OMGUS only works if the return fire is on shaky ground; I would have said exactly the same things about him regardless of whether he was suspicious of me or not. His suspicion was easily dealt with in any case as it was based on a quick little misunderstanding that was simple to clarify.Iecerint wrote:he also suspected another player who was suspicious of him (Budja)
Dude, I barely said anything about your point on SF and it was a straight-up disagreement, not an attack. Why are you being so reactive to literally everything I say about you?Iecerint wrote:he misrepresented my point on SF IMO
No I didn't.Iecerint wrote:and he ignored Jack
I have no idea what the hell you are trying to say here. The last sentence is the only thing that makes any sense whatsoever and I can tell you that I in no way want or wanted him to show me the breadcrumb.Iecerint wrote:CB, you didn't have to weigh in on the little theory debate. You just had to say whether Jack was naughty. You've said that Els's was irrelevant because it referred to a previous game and that Kmd's was fine, too (even though you posted about it? and then you said that it was fine by benefit-of the-doubt?). What about Jack's? And why do you want him to show you the Cop breadcrumb? O.o
You have misrepresented, twisted, overreacted to and outright invented some of my words. This is getting tiring; I suggest you keep a glass of water by your side when posting so you can take a drink whenever your fingers start to stumble over one another in your haste to type. Stream-of-consciousness is not an appropriate style for mafia, sorry.-
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Connections between Iec and Cobalt as well as Iec and Drippereth. Possible between Iec and Budja.
Xofelf needs more scrutiny from people I feel, her posting has been almost entirely metachat with SF and nobody has commented on it apart from the odd mention in passing.tread softly because you tread on my dreams
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Neither were there signs of Kmd's comment being sarcastic to someone who didn't spot the connection with xvart, but it was.
I was expressing suspicion at how you might have gotten the idea that it was specifically acopbreadcrumb. I was not asking for you to actually show it to me.tread softly because you tread on my dreams
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If you look at the actual words I said it very much looks like a request for the crumb itself. That was rhetorical.Jack wrote:a) how does expressing suspicion = just a bit of rhetoric
Breadcrumbs are so incredibly varied that even if I did spot one I would be extremely hesitant in 9 out of 10 cases to actually with any confidence assign a role to it. I'll grant you that this one could be more explicit in what it is doing though.Jack wrote:b) why were you suspicious about it being a cop breadcrumb specifically? Aren't breadcrumbs usually specific? Do people breadcrumb "as yet unnamed power role"?-
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Which I have also addressed. I did say I was only going to enable your illiteracy once; I'm standing by that position.Iecerint wrote:The main point was the perceived OMGUS on Cobalt and Budja.
See above.Iecerint wrote:Are you saying your "I'd like to see the crumb!" statement was rhetorical?
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Go back to school.Iecerint wrote:My point wasn't that you hadn't addressed the "main point," but that you attempted to discredit me by "lmao"-ing my statement that your misrep of me was relatively minor. It was minor because the major part was the OMGUS.
Really? The only thing I found having my attention called to was your inability to write English.Iecerint wrote:LOL/XD are rhetorical. Their purpose was to call attention to what I perceived to be silly inconsistencies in your post.
I don't even know where to start with this. For one thing: why do you ask a question and then proceed under the assumption that the answer is yes (it isn't)?Iecerint wrote:I suppose you're saying that your "rhetorical" statement was intended to call attention to the absence of the hypothetical Cop crumb? Did you wonder whether this might lead Jack to, I don't know, call your bluff?-
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I honestly don't mean to "step up my attempts to discredit you", but it's so hard when you give me so much material...Iecerint wrote:Well, first I asked an open-ended question. You didn't answer it, meaning you either don't understand why it's important (townCB), or you simply can't answer it (probably scumCB). So I decided to make clear what it LOOKS LIKE went down so that you'd be clued in if the former were the reason for your being so uncooperative. The fact that you subsequently continued your evasiveness and stepped up your attempts to discredit me implies the latter.
In any case, there was no particular reason why I phrased my response to his specifically bringing up cops the way I did. I like the bit of snarky emphasis using a rhetorical question adds to a post, I guess.-
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You have missed something, though I said it a few pages back and it was in the middle of a fair few quotes so it would have been easy to miss.Elmocrates wrote:I do think that Iecerint's point about OMGUS & not answering the point seems true, though, I'd like a better response than "lol no" unless I've missed something.
That was talking about Budja, I don't believe I've given Cobalt a similarly comprehensive treatment (I did cover the point about "u havent posted much either!!1") but the same "OMGUS only works if the return fire is on shaky ground" point applies. I fail to see how anyone can look at Cobalt's posts and in all honesty say that he isn't objectively deserving of suspicion - or a little pressure to post content at the very least.Post 179 wrote:You're reading a lot more into that than is actually there. OMGUS only works if the return fire is on shaky ground; I would have said exactly the same things about him regardless of whether he was suspicious of me or not. His suspicion was easily dealt with in any case as it was based on a quick little misunderstanding that was simple to clarify.-
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Ah yes, that thing that allows people to read your thoughts and feelings, as well as being a tool for persuading others to agree with a certain point of view. What a cliche.
I don't care whether he does it as town or not, that style of posting is incredibly antitown. Even if he isn't lynched today I want to see some pressure on him to shape up his act.tread softly because you tread on my dreams
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Fine.
"Ah yes, that thing that allows people to read your thoughts and feelings, as well as being a tool for persuading others to agree with a certain point of view. What a buzzword."
Now can we stop playing games of semantics?tread softly because you tread on my dreams
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Almost everything.Iecerint wrote:Ah, hell, I'll bite. What's pathetic about it?
"Nullifying my favorite events in the game so far" - What?
"being responsible for the policy lynch on SF that rubbed me the wrong way earlier" - Are you talking about another game here?
"Also, 0% impressed with his reported reads." - Absolutely nothing on why this is scummy (hint: disagreeing with someone does not automatically make them scummy), just a lame duck NOT IMPRESSED.
"Alsoalso," - This scrabbling shows to me that even you know how stupid your reasons up to this point are.
"low activity" - True, but there are plenty of people who have done the same.
"and an unusual fixation on MPR." - This is just about the only vaguely relevant thing you brought up, but it's hardly worth a vote.-
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lol, since when have I been "mixed up in" the Jack wagon? I'm voting Cobalt and have been since my PBPA post.Iecerint wrote:I liked the Jack wagon better before CB got mixed up in it.
Yet it never occurs to you that perhaps you are wrong; no, you couldn't be!! It's everyoneIecerint wrote:It blows my mind that people don't find him scummy.elsethat is blind to my true evil!!!!-
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o_OIecerint wrote:Is that [insert lame OMGUS counter-argument here] OMGUS, or are you claiming that someone has OMGUS'd somewhere? Cuz I dun think you ever attacked me, and I don't think Jack attacked Elmo.
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I would lay a vote on xofelf but it'd just be a pressure vote (I don't think her uselessness has progressed to the point where it's actually scummy); I'll stick with Cobalt for now but I will be keenly watching xofelf's reaction to the votes she's picked up so far.tread softly because you tread on my dreams
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Our "duel" wouldn't have been anywhere near as enduring if he a) could write and b) could readCobalt wrote:he's been having a pointless duel with iec since forever while keeping his vote on me
Not an attack, a "What?". Which never even came close to turning into an attack; so sorry that I'm not the ~sArCaSm DeTeCtOr MaStEr~ that you are but there was literally nothing in it and you are terrible at mafia no matter how much you pretend to be a zen master of the short sharp incisive postsCobalt wrote:empty sarcasm attack
Like I said OMGUS only works when the "return fire" isn't valid in its own right; once again, you are awful at this gameCobalt wrote:accused me of not posting content when I called him on above empty attack-
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Nope, try again.Iecerint wrote:Ad hom is you saying that I can't read and I can't write. It is also you saying that Cobalt is bad at this game/terrible at mafia.
I do think he's scummy, and I will be voting for him until he shows otherwise or something better comes along. Am I going to need to post why my vote for him is not OMGUS again?Iecerint wrote:But on the other hand, if you didn't mean that he was scummy, why are you voting him, etc.-
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There is no case, Cobalt thinks he's pounced on a SCUM OVERREACTION in my supposed attack on Kmd over what was, to him, an obviously-sarcastic comment. In reality I simply did not spot the sarcasm and my "attack" consisted of "WTF this must be sarcastic but I don't see any signs of it, can kmd/someone else point it out to me plz".Papa Zito wrote:What's the cyberbob case then?-
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Re xofelf: Still waiting on her reaction to the pressure on her before I decide whether or not to lay my vote on. Note that she has not posted (in this thread, I don't know about anywhere else with searching down) since Wednesday.tread softly because you tread on my dreams
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xofelf, I really wish you hadn't bought into the garbage posting that has been the last few pages but whatever. I see a reaction to a wagon that formed as a result of irrelevant and offtopic posting... that is itself 90% offtopic/10% scumhunting. And the scumhunting consists entirely of a gut read.
Come up with something better or die.Unvote, Vote: xofelftread softly because you tread on my dreams
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Hm, this game moves fast.
Looking at Pages 19-21, that would be you, SensFan, xofelf and farside (though she managed to be somewhat useful while doing so) for the most part. The discussion actually wasn't quite as mindless as it first appeared to be but it's still a pretty big distraction from the game we're playing right now.Elmocrates wrote:Which people? Which posts (numbers) do you think are really bad?
There weren't any particularly bad individual posts; it's more the fact that the discussion went for so long and never really got anywhere that made it so annoying.
At the time I was trying to put pressure on Cobalt to post content; I tend to stick with pressure votes (it kind of defeats the purpose if you show that you're easily persuaded to unvote) unless either a) it becomes obvious that nobody else is on board or b) something particularly voteworthy happens elsewhere. Iecerint was being more of an annoying pest than actually being outright scummy. I think someone said that our argument was basically two townies coming to blows; that's pretty much how it felt to me as well.ooba wrote:239: @CyberbobDoes not follow up with a vote on a player who in his own words "misrepresented, twisted, overreacted to and outright invented some of my words."
So your solution to my "rudeness" was to make a post that you knew wasn't going to actually cause anything to happen? Good plan.Jack wrote:He was being kind of rude.tread softly because you tread on my dreams
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L-4 in one IRL day (with 6 of those 7 votes coming in the last 5 hours) is quite sufficient for the information we've been given I think; particularly given all the superb posts that went along with them!
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I think we should wait for him to give us a bit more than "durf I have role info on him that I think indicates scum" before asking for a J-Scope claim (let alone a lynch), yes. This kind of situation is exactly the sort of one scum want the town to blindly rush their way through.Elscouta wrote:So you believe that FFFF claim is nothing, and that we shouldn't lynch J-Scope today?-
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Wow, this game exploded overnight.
I really want to lynch FFFF just because asadfsadfsadfsadfsadf but I think Elscouta is being far scummier. He pushed the J-Scope lynch as hard as he could before FFFF had gone any further than his initial (rather information-poor) post, and now that people's opinions have changed he's turned around and is pushingveryhard on FFFF. That's classic scum trying to take advantage of the situation to get a perceived easy lynch off.
I really hate FFFF's play and objectively speaking I think he deserves to die ASAP (whether he's scum or town) for it but let's not get focused too narrowly here.-
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"pointing fingers everywhere to confuse the town."Elscouta wrote:Oh yes. It's so more scummy to try to lynch someone that admitted to lie THREE times instead of just pointing fingers everywhere to confuse the town.
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Yes because as we all know all mafia players tell the truth all the time!!Elscouta wrote:Maybe it's time to stop second guessing everything and taking things to face value.
I sure am glad we didn't take FFFF's result claim at face value, how about you?
Please don't insult my intelligence by trying to whitewash actions made only a few pages ago. That early "guilty" claim was an incredibly vague role info claim that came with absolutely nothing that could have helped the town to decide its validity. Yet you were quite happy to, based on this and this alone, not only push for J-Scope to make a full claim but also to get him lynched.Elscouta wrote:early "guilty" claim = lynch the target
obvious pile lie = lynch.
The second one is considerably more reasonablein isolation; if you hadn't pulled the first trick I wouldn't be gunning for you. When your play today is looked at as a whole it just becomes incredibly obvious that you are trying to get someone - anyone - lynched as quickly as possible.
You know Drippereth is scum for a fact, and you aren't voting for them?Elscouta wrote:The fact that Drippereth is scum trying to capitalize on the situation makes me think there is a possibility that FFFF is town though. I won't take any chance though.-
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If he had straight up claimed alignment (like a regular investigation) I would agree with this standard procedure, but since he claimed role/tracking info then that just goes out the door; there are infinitely more possible scenarios in which J-Scope could have been town. This also calls into question why you would automatically lynch FFFF the next day as misinterpreting those kinds of results is hardly a rare occurrence amongst town players.Elscouta wrote:1) It was very clear from FFFF that he claimed either a tracker / role cop ability. There was no reason to ask him more. Standard procedure is : lynch target, lynch FFFF if target town afterwards.
Or they simply don't want to shoehorn themselves into one, possibly two lynches based on such a small amount of (very possibly unreliable/misinterpreted) information. It also sets up a meta in which future scum can very easily trigger mislynches whenever they want.Elscouta wrote:2) People that doubted FFFF before ooba counterclaim are most likely to be scum knowing that J-Scope is town (town would have had no reason to doubt FFFF)
How hard have you pushed your Drippereth case? Have you voted for them at all today? You were voting them for all of 4 hours yesterday before you were "convinced" into voting for xofelf in your last post for the day.Elscouta wrote:3) Let's do each thing at a time. First, let's lynch the liar, then i hope to get enough support to lynch Drippscum. It seems like unlikely though.
I think there's a typo in there somewhere, so I'll respond to this as if you said "aren't town" because that actually makes sense:Elscouta wrote:Well, it's usually a fact that people having being caught in a lie, backtracked two times, and just messing around now are town. But nice misrepresentation of my point.
If I hadn't spotted you hunting around for an easy wagon to look good pushing then I would be voting for FFFF. I consider sneaky plays like the one you were/are attempting to be a lot scummier than the sort of thing FFFF tried simply because stupid town players are a lot more prevalent than town players who try to lynch anyone they possibly can regardless of whether it's a good idea or not.
"What is this concept of scum being willing to aid in a buddy's lynch if it means playing along with prevailing town opinion and coming out looking protown??? I am not familiar with this chain of events" --Elscouta, 2010Elscouta wrote:So if i'm trying to lynch anyone, you believe i'm a SK, right? Unless you also believe that FFFF is town?-
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Really Iec? Really?
This is bottom of the barrel stuff, even for you. Second-guessing other people's IRL situations based on your own idiosyncrasies is a ludicrous way to go about "scumhunting".Vote: Iecerint
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Let me put it this way, since you clearly don't seem to be getting it:Iecerint wrote:There's also the matter of the content of his posts, but I can't allude to those beyond acknowledging their existence without breaking site rules AFAIK. <_<
Using people's activity levels in other threads and subforums of this site as a platform for an attack is retarded except in the specific case of them being completely inactive and the point is being made that they aren't simply lurking. It's invasive and it's an absolute minefield of presumptuous speculation.tread softly because you tread on my dreams
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Oh, was he? I was just voting for Drippereth because I thought they were more protown in their posting than him; I must have missed that claim.
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Yeah, it's everyoneelse'sfault for your inability to derive quality reads from a game.
Honestly not much else to comment on since my last post, most of this page and a good chunk of the previous one have been empty discussion about FFFF. I don't like Budja's vote all that much though, surely there are better votes at this stage in the game to make than a pure meta one?tread softly because you tread on my dreams
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