ZOMBIES! - Zombies take over for the win!!!

wolframnhart · Post Post #26 (isolation #0) » Mon Feb 22, 2010 9:44 am

vote Mcgriddle

those damn things will kill you just as fast as zombies will.

wolframnhart · Post Post #34 (isolation #1) » Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:18 am

Yosarian2 wrote:
Yosarian2 wrote:
vote:cooldog
I agree with Yosarian2.

O_o

You agree...with yourself?

wolframnhart · Post Post #40 (isolation #2) » Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:52 am

If Yos has a some weird post restriction I hate TM

If Yos doesn't, i hate yos

wolframnhart · Post Post #41 (isolation #3) » Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:53 am

*EBWOP* I meant farside not TM, wrong mod

Did you just compare me to Tony!
A pox on you!!!!

wolframnhart · Post Post #43 (isolation #4) » Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:13 pm

I'm so sorry farside!!!!! *Beg's for forgiveness on his knees*

wolframnhart · Post Post #45 (isolation #5) » Mon Feb 22, 2010 1:53 pm

Zazier has one post, what is Kort's tell that has to do with one post in RVS?

wolframnhart · Post Post #56 (isolation #6) » Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:14 am

Uhh cooldog I didn't vote for zazier because he has one post, in fact i haven't voted zazier at all, that was KMD.

@Starbuck
I think i played with zazier once a long time ago, not even sure if i finished that game to be honest.

wolframnhart · Post Post #59 (isolation #7) » Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:23 am

Actually

unvote, Vote Cooldog

Misrep is one thing, but hell that was a bad misrep. You can easily tell who voted for Zazier based on one post.

wolframnhart · Post Post #73 (isolation #8) » Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:11 am

Yea I got that Yos, though why you feel like you need to explain it is beyond me.

I didn't get this Kort tell thing against Zazier, though it was explained already that Zazier posts a lot and this shtick thing that I still don't really get.

wolframnhart · Post Post #84 (isolation #9) » Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:09 am

Cooldog wrote:did I ever imply that you voted for him? no, I only said that you counted only having one post as a scum tell
<snip>

I didn't say it was a scum tell, KMD did.

KMD wrote:Haven't read properly yet, but Vote ZazieR under Korts' tell.

To which I asked

WRH wrote:Zazier has one post, what is Kort's tell that has to do with one post in RVS?

There did I say it was a scum tell?

wolframnhart · Post Post #88 (isolation #10) » Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:38 am

It's not so much that I don't think there could be a scum tell in the RVS stage, I was just curious as to what it is/was. As stated before I don't believe I have played with Zazier before (or if i had it wasnt a game i finished) so from his one post to say it is a tell by Kort's got me curious.

wolframnhart · Post Post #95 (isolation #11) » Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:23 pm

more then likely the second option.

mod please let mcgriddle (any anyone else that hasnt posted) know the game started

wolframnhart · Post Post #99 (isolation #12) » Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:59 pm

Thanks Farside, wasn't trying to imply that you hadn't told everyone, sometimes a player just needs an extra kick in the ass

wolframnhart · Post Post #103 (isolation #13) » Tue Feb 23, 2010 3:37 pm

No i believe Farside's example means the person who had a vote placed on them first gets lynched. If there is an unvote then the next biggest wagoned person gets lynched based on which person had a vote placed on them first.

wolframnhart · Post Post #146 (isolation #14) » Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:56 am

@Ilord

Yea I do think he did it on purpose only because after his initial post in voting for me, i even pointed it out that it was not me. CD still said it was me, then when I again pointed out it was not me that had said anything about Zaziers post being a scum tell CD ignores it completely, and moves on to tate:

CD wrote: I have noted the exact same thing. He seemed to not like the pressure, even if it was very lite, I mean this is still very early in the game. I think it is worthy of a vote, and that is why I did forgot, to vote him in my first post. so here it is vote tate

CD had not said anything about tate's reaction to pressure to put it in his first post, because it didn't happen until afterwards.

wolframnhart · Post Post #148 (isolation #15) » Wed Feb 24, 2010 12:06 pm

To get an easy vote up. Why would townCD ignore the facts of him voting the wrong person and not mention it?

wolframnhart · Post Post #161 (isolation #16) » Thu Feb 25, 2010 6:18 am

unvote

I could have been wrong about CD it seems, his last few posts don't look scummy to me, more so on his last one.

McGriddle how is somone saying who they find town scummy?

@Yos
I have never played in a Cult game, how is it possibly more dangerous?

wolframnhart · Post Post #167 (isolation #17) » Thu Feb 25, 2010 6:26 am

McGriddle wrote:
wolframnhart wrote:
unvote

I could have been wrong about CD it seems, his last few posts don't look scummy to me, more so on his last one.

McGriddle how is somone saying who they find town scummy?

@Yos
I have never played in a Cult game, how is it possibly more dangerous?
because that leaves a biased opinion on there townie list. It also gives the scum in there town list an incentive to kill him during the night/. It also gives that person a town pass. etc.

Not necessarily, just because you find a person town now, doesn't mean that you will later on. You also don't have to go off someone else's town list. And it definitely doesn't give someone a town pass.

wolframnhart · Post Post #168 (isolation #18) » Thu Feb 25, 2010 6:27 am

Yosarian2 wrote:
wolframnhart wrote: @Yos
I have never played in a Cult game, how is it possibly more dangerous?
Well, if the cult knows that everyone thinks person X is town, then they can recruit person X over to their side.

Ah i see thanks.

wolframnhart · Post Post #175 (isolation #19) » Thu Feb 25, 2010 7:27 am

KMD is saying that ALL reck has done is the defense of CD, is that what you are getting at reck?

wolframnhart · Post Post #177 (isolation #20) » Thu Feb 25, 2010 7:54 am

wolframnhart wrote:KMD is saying that ALL reck has done is the defense of CD, is that what you are getting at reck?

I meant KMD at the end, not reck

wolframnhart · Post Post #180 (isolation #21) » Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:12 am

Actually since he posted at the end of page 5 he really only has 5 pages to read through.

wolframnhart · Post Post #182 (isolation #22) » Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:30 am

You have had plenty of time to do so, question is why haven't you?

wolframnhart · Post Post #184 (isolation #23) » Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:35 am

Odd that you didn't just say "Cuz I'm Lazy" you had to through the town part in there. Also I don't buy the lazy part, you aren't lazy enough to respond to questions or put your vote out against people.

wolframnhart · Post Post #194 (isolation #24) » Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:33 am

iLord wrote:
evil wrote:I like kmd's point about xReck. I think I noted this myself too. He has shown very little interest in actually finding scum.

McGriddle's FOS on Yosarian is a bit of an overreaction.
What do you mean by "I think I noted this myself?"

Yos2, you're on the wrong track. McGriddle belongs in the same category as CD.

You're probably completely correct that he doesn't really care about scumhunting. Unfortunately, this attribute isn't exclusive to scum.

Doesn't necessarily mean he is town either, or whatever category you have CD under as well (VI?)

wolframnhart · Post Post #195 (isolation #25) » Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:35 am

xRECKONERx wrote:Sorry guys, I've been swamped with homework the past few days.

KMD's voting me? Aww, KMD, that hurts.

tbqh the fact that this is a cult-ish game kinda makes me >.>; because I've never played one before and I'm not sure if there's any difference in cult-hunting than scum-hunting. i'm not gonna replace out though i just need to get my head into this game.

for now,
unvote; vote: McSuave

Scum is scum, and this post rubs me the wrong way, just can't grasp it.

Why the Suave vote though?

wolframnhart · Post Post #198 (isolation #26) » Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:51 am

Well I can't argue there, same could go for WRP.

wolframnhart · Post Post #199 (isolation #27) » Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:52 am

ODDin wrote:Argh, too much content too quickly. Will catch up tomorrow.

It only been one and a 1/2 pages since you last posted, how is that too much content to make you wait until tomorrow?

wolframnhart · Post Post #201 (isolation #28) » Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:02 am

Ah, didn't realize that, now your post makes more sense.

wolframnhart · Post Post #203 (isolation #29) » Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:05 am

VI means village idiot, not the nicest term to give someone, just the only one i have heard of.

wolframnhart · Post Post #206 (isolation #30) » Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:54 am

Ya know, let's get a little pressure going here, get some more people to post.

vote tate

Tate you had 3 votes (now 4) on you and haven't posted much. Thoughts so far?

wolframnhart · Post Post #208 (isolation #31) » Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:27 pm

Manho is in this game?

WElcome ani

wolframnhart · Post Post #212 (isolation #32) » Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:34 pm

tatetothetot wrote:I am not worried. Four votes and it takes eleven to lynch, not to mention those that voted for me either have no reason or a poor RVS one. You might need more pressure then that to get me to start sweating.

McGriddle- What is with the "I don't care" attitude? Your blatant admittance that your lazy doesn't seem town to me. Is this some tactic you use in your games?

your question to mcgriddle can be directed to you as well, even with 11 needed for a lynch, four votes can turn into 11 quickly depending on the player.

wolframnhart · Post Post #214 (isolation #33) » Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:37 pm

@DD
Because out of the two ODDin has explained why he was/is not posting (at least until tomorrow) so i am fine with waiting.

wolframnhart · Post Post #217 (isolation #34) » Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:40 pm

Ani voted tate as a joke vote, then explained how he has been in now three farside modded games, and now he is going to do a read through before making a serious post, easy to follow.

wolframnhart · Post Post #218 (isolation #35) » Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:41 pm

I never said I have a case against you, i said it was a pressure vote. Your response of "i am not worried" to me translates to "i don't care" but that will be a headbutt back and forth on wording between you and I.

wolframnhart · Post Post #219 (isolation #36) » Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:42 pm

Also McGriddle what is your answer to tate's question?

wolframnhart · Post Post #221 (isolation #37) » Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:42 pm

Nevermind McGriddle, i see it now, missed it somehow

wolframnhart · Post Post #236 (isolation #38) » Thu Feb 25, 2010 5:24 pm

So tate's refering to the sample role pm is a much bigger scum tell to you then McGriddles trying to look pro-town one? What about anything else McGriddle or tate has posted since?

wolframnhart · Post Post #271 (isolation #39) » Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:13 am

@ABR
I have no problem stating that i voted for pressure (obv since i did) and maybe it is just a difference of style. Tate's response from it and the subsequent three posts from him after my vote has made me keep it on him. Even if it is 11 votes to lynch, four votes is nothing to not worry about, and without any real posting by tate along with his not caring about votes on him makes me believe my vote is in the right place, regardless of how it started out.

wolframnhart · Post Post #285 (isolation #40) » Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:42 pm

I really don't think calling someone dumb is that bad of an insult, at least not enough to go against any rules, but that is a matter of opinion and up to the Mod i suppose so I would rather not see the next how ever many posts discussing it because it detracts from scumhunting.

@ODDin
Wow? Wow what?

wolframnhart · Post Post #293 (isolation #41) » Fri Feb 26, 2010 4:14 pm

It's not much of a list at this point, but so far I do find:
Tate scummy, I have stated why previously, but not voting at this point is another scum point to him.
MrSuave and WRP for not voting or posting anything of content, at this point and time in the game opinions should have been given on someone or at least of the topic(s) that are being discussed.

Now I do realize that at this time those three are all non-voters/lurkers, but I am more convinced that at the very least one of them is true scum due to, as stated, no voting at this point in the game does not benefit town at all, nor does not posting or scumhunting, which I haven't seen much of if any from all three.

wolframnhart · Post Post #306 (isolation #42) » Sat Feb 27, 2010 2:29 am

MrSuave wrote:Hello. It may be true that my posts in this game are few, but that is just how I roll at the start of days most of the time. I will say though that that whole insult dumb thing is just that, dumb. It's just distracting and I find it slightly suspicious. I mean sure it could be just a silly argument, or it could be some kind of smoke screen. But those are my thoughts atm.

Who do you think would be using it as a distraction/smoke screen?

wolframnhart · Post Post #318 (isolation #43) » Sat Feb 27, 2010 4:36 am

More then likely, option two is the scenario here, I took his "I have a good idea already who my 2 scum are" as he has two suspects right now.

McGriddle, care to enlighten us?

wolframnhart · Post Post #324 (isolation #44) » Sat Feb 27, 2010 7:27 am

Pfftt my tate wagon is infinitely better then your Suave wagon

wolframnhart · Post Post #326 (isolation #45) » Sat Feb 27, 2010 7:37 am

Have you ever heard of a town member not worried about four votes on them?

wolframnhart · Post Post #328 (isolation #46) » Sat Feb 27, 2010 7:46 am

Actually now that I think about it, why do you believe MrSuave is the best wagon? As far as I can find the only thing(s) you have against him are his posts and inactivity. As it stands you have already apologized for being inactive yourself.

wolframnhart · Post Post #329 (isolation #47) » Sat Feb 27, 2010 7:47 am

I'd prefer if he participated and tried to prove why he doesn't deserve four votes on himself, which he really hasn't.

wolframnhart · Post Post #331 (isolation #48) » Sat Feb 27, 2010 8:04 am

I see your point, though i believe iso 3 isn't a scum post, and iso 4 talks more about the discussion that was going on rather then a reword of iso 3. If i was going off of your analysis of Suave I would be more inclined to vote WRP_Beater, his posts (all three) have been much more horrendous.

wolframnhart · Post Post #340 (isolation #49) » Sat Feb 27, 2010 10:15 am

McGriddle wrote:
wolframnhart wrote:More then likely, option two is the scenario here, I took his "I have a good idea already who my 2 scum are" as he has two suspects right now.

McGriddle, care to enlighten us?
I meant literally that I knew who my two scum were, meaning I didn't understand the game setup, and was confused about it all.

Uhh I still don't get it then. Perhaps it is the way I am taking your words, but to say you knew who your two scum were means to me:
a)you have two people that you believe to be scum
b)you are a GF or leader type role who has two scum members underneath him because you are using the word "my" as in ownership. In no way to i take your words here as you not understanding the game setup.

wolframnhart · Post Post #343 (isolation #50) » Sat Feb 27, 2010 10:40 am

Yep, sure has. Content please and thank you.

wolframnhart · Post Post #345 (isolation #51) » Sat Feb 27, 2010 10:44 am

I kinda thought I asked for this when i said enlighten us, but perhaps i didn't.

Who are the two people you believe to be scum then? I haven't really seen a case by you on anyone.

wolframnhart · Post Post #348 (isolation #52) » Sat Feb 27, 2010 11:21 am

KMD i get since you have your vote on him, but morph? Where did that come from?

Also WRP cool, you got your prod, give us a real post please as in what you think about players so far, a case against someone, or why you aren't voting etc.

wolframnhart · Post Post #350 (isolation #53) » Sat Feb 27, 2010 11:34 am

No, No I'm not. We are 14 pages in and you don't find anyone scummy? Bull.

wolframnhart · Post Post #355 (isolation #54) » Sat Feb 27, 2010 12:45 pm

...I don't think you can link an ongoing game like that, especially since you are trying to show us there are two scum in that game and only one is shown as dead.....

wolframnhart · Post Post #356 (isolation #55) » Sat Feb 27, 2010 12:46 pm

In fact unless i am wrong, you better pray that is not a mod kill offense.

wolframnhart · Post Post #358 (isolation #56) » Sat Feb 27, 2010 12:57 pm

I didn't ask you, iLord did. and in all games this rule is usually present:

Farside wrote:You may not talk about this game outside the thread unless your role allows, whether you’re dead or not.

I do not know is linking an on going game counts as that or not, i really hope it doesn't because I don't like seeing players mod killed, but if it is against that rule maybe you can just get a warning.

Also it isn't that iLord wanted just a game that is not a cult game, he wanted a 12 player game that had only 2 scum in it since that is what everyone is talking about with you. I really don't want to say anything else on the matter though because it is going to be up to Farside if it is a violation or not.

wolframnhart · Post Post #361 (isolation #57) » Sat Feb 27, 2010 1:05 pm

My misunderstanding then, i thought because he was saying in the his quote that he has only been in games with 2 scum, and you asked him for the link, which ended up being an ongoing game with 1 scum dead, to me that would make him the other scum in that game if there really only was 2. But if that is not the case as you have pointed out then I was wrong, i just don't like seeing people mod killed and when it comes to ongoing games and the rule about not talking about them outside of thread it makes me nervous.

Sorry if i got you worried there McGriddle ^_^

wolframnhart · Post Post #364 (isolation #58) » Sat Feb 27, 2010 1:08 pm

McGriddle wrote:
wolframnhart wrote:I didn't ask you, iLord did. and in all games this rule is usually present:

Farside wrote:You may not talk about this game outside the thread unless your role allows, whether you’re dead or not.
I do not know is linking an on going game counts as that or not, i really hope it doesn't because I don't like seeing players mod killed, but if it is against that rule maybe you can just get a warning.

Also it isn't that iLord wanted just a game that is not a cult game, he wanted a 12 player game that had only 2 scum in it since that is what everyone is talking about with you. I really don't want to say anything else on the matter though because it is going to be up to Farside if it is a violation or not.
Im not talking about an ongoing game, I linked to a game setup. Stop trying to get me mod killed.

Like i said, my mistake. I wasn't trying to get you mod killed i thought you might, I am never extremely clear on what does and doesn't get you a mod kill when it comes to on going games.

Either way, moving on.

wolframnhart · Post Post #367 (isolation #59) » Sat Feb 27, 2010 1:20 pm

Damn you ODDin, just when I said we were moving on...

wolframnhart · Post Post #381 (isolation #60) » Sun Feb 28, 2010 4:13 am

WRP, content. NOW.

Ok as it is this will probably be my last post until I get back from my V/LA that the mod is aware of. If I have time to post again tonight after i get back from work and before we leave I will, and if i somehow get a moment ot myself to post during my V/La i will.

I still find tate scummy, as i have said before, though my initial vote was for pressure, i still don't think any town member should be fine with having four votes on them, now five i believe. WRP is definitely pinging my scumdar, only because he is not posting anything at all really, so either he is scum or he needs to be replaced.

Let's once again drop the mod kill discussion only because if it was killable, farside would have done so already. Lets move on.

Am not looking forward to reading all the pages I will miss at this point.

wolframnhart · Post Post #470 (isolation #61) » Wed Mar 03, 2010 7:50 am

OK I have a bit to post during my V/LA so i thought I would try to catch up while I could. I do not really see Reck asking for a mod kill, his reaction was much like mine, however since farside already explained the situation and then he still went on about it, along with his major over reaction and big caps lock frenzy it makes me wonder about Reck. This game has so many "will post later's" I really don't know how many could/are lurking town or lurkign scum, so I will give tate a chance to actually post something before deciding on him. for now

IGMEOY Reck

wolframnhart · Post Post #532 (isolation #62) » Thu Mar 04, 2010 12:33 pm

unvote

Finally back and after a curse filled thread read through (seriously Reck language!

) I don't see tate as scummy necessarily, but I am not seeing town in posts either, more so since he admits his vote on manho is for active lurking and for voting him (tate).

Reck's anger to me is genuine. Really i don't find him pushing for a mod kill anymore then I did, more of he was stating his opinion on the matter. Do i think it was unnecessary? Yes, Farside had already commented on it and so it was not needed to say anything further on it, however just because he did doesn't scream scum to me.

As angry and curse filled as his posts have been, he has been defending himself, compared to McGriddle, who is not defending anything, in fact he has really only posted a few one liners aside from his 409 which to me shows more scum laying low while another person brings attention to themselves.

vote McGriddle

wolframnhart · Post Post #536 (isolation #63) » Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:09 pm

McGriddle wrote:
wolframnhart wrote:
unvote

Finally back and after a curse filled thread read through (seriously Reck language! ) I don't see tate as scummy necessarily, but I am not seeing town in posts either, more so since he admits his vote on manho is for active lurking and for voting him (tate).

Reck's anger to me is genuine. Really i don't find him pushing for a mod kill anymore then I did, more of he was stating his opinion on the matter. Do i think it was unnecessary? Yes, Farside had already commented on it and so it was not needed to say anything further on it, however just because he did doesn't scream scum to me.

As angry and curse filled as his posts have been, he has been defending himself, compared to McGriddle, who is not defending anything, in fact he has really only posted a few one liners aside from his 409 which to me shows more scum laying low while another person brings attention to themselves.

vote McGriddle
So defending myself is town. Great. I never knew that.

Admission of guilt?

wolframnhart · Post Post #547 (isolation #64) » Fri Mar 05, 2010 3:56 am

^^ seriously, huge waste of time is all he gave us.

wolframnhart · Post Post #551 (isolation #65) » Fri Mar 05, 2010 9:40 am

lovely how we have three days until deadline, with three people (though I know one of them is being replaced) not even taking a stand and voting anyone. One of whom (Suave) said he would post tomorrow (said on Tuesday) and has yet to do so, business project or not. Of course CryMeARiver isn't much better with his 4 posts, most of which consist of promising to post something and his prod received. He says he will post today, we shall see...

wolframnhart · Post Post #558 (isolation #66) » Fri Mar 05, 2010 2:12 pm

I'm down for an extension, as long as actually posting comes from it, not crap the K-7 rule applies to.

wolframnhart · Post Post #565 (isolation #67) » Sat Mar 06, 2010 2:07 am

The hell... Tate what is your reasoning to not answering ilord's simple question?

wolframnhart · Post Post #582 (isolation #68) » Sat Mar 06, 2010 9:48 am

Suave just read over the dang thread and base the cases on your own opinions, then give us your opinions on them, in other words do something.

Tate I really don't see what the big deal is to you answering ilord's questions. To not do it if you are town brings unwanted attention to you, which might end up in a lynch, and scum get a free kill in because a player refused to answer questions which in itself is very anti-town. I can only see scum not answering questions about players and what they feel about them because they don't want to give up information on their possible partners if the person in question gets lynched/vigged.

wolframnhart · Post Post #596 (isolation #69) » Sat Mar 06, 2010 1:55 pm

Wait.. what?

Why does that post make no sense to me.
If you forgot you were already voting Reck that makes no sense since farside has the vote count on the top of the page....

wolframnhart · Post Post #597 (isolation #70) » Sat Mar 06, 2010 1:57 pm

EBWOP

Meant to add @McGriddle to the beginning of my post.

wolframnhart · Post Post #599 (isolation #71) » Sat Mar 06, 2010 1:58 pm

Ohhhh i get it, in other words it was a completely pointless post. Gotcha.

wolframnhart · Post Post #602 (isolation #72) » Sat Mar 06, 2010 2:57 pm

almost forgot pwnman had replaced in for WRP. Hopefully he posts at some point.

wolframnhart · Post Post #710 (isolation #73) » Tue Mar 09, 2010 7:53 am

Yeesh, didn't mean to let this game get away from me. I will post up a bit later today unless i get a little more free time before then, sorry all!

wolframnhart · Post Post #720 (isolation #74) » Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:06 am

KK so after reading I still see McGriddle as the best lynch today. First if he had so much going on in RL (and if so sorry to hear that Mc) an easy thing to do would be to request replacement to deal with whatever is going on. Instead he goofed around refusing to answer questions (much like tate did). Could be that he thought if tate got away with it he could too, either way I do not see how he could have no time to answer questions but he could answer people calling him out on it. I see it more as a scum trying to buy time.

The fact we still have two people not voting when the deadline has been extended is crap. Dr. Cyanide i understand, he needs to read and catch up before making a decision, but Suave at this point is being plan lurker and unhelpful.

wolframnhart · Post Post #723 (isolation #75) » Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:19 am

There is a difference McGriddle. Here are your posts concerning the topic at hand:

McGriddle wrote:there's nothing on here that merits a response as it is all horse shit ;D

McGriddle wrote:I'm sorry

McGriddle wrote:I have nothing to say aboot it there's no question, only opinionated crap

McGriddle wrote:Thanks you Now I will respond to these questions later in the day when I have some free time

McGriddle wrote:wouldn't that mean that I am lazy rather than scum?

McGriddle wrote:I am working on it got a lot of RL problems so please lay off a little.

You had

plenty

of time to answer the questions against you, between the first quote and the last quote all you had to do was on the very first post say "Hey guys some RL stuff came up gimme a day to sort it out and i will answer your questions." But no, you instead played around calling cases against you horse shit and crap, which does not show me you wanted to play. You even tried to paint yourself town with your lazy town statement.

wolframnhart · Post Post #810 (isolation #76) » Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:58 pm

McGriddle wrote:
elvis_knits wrote:I mean, I will feel like a dumbass if McGriddle really is a cop... but I really think his behavior does not fit.

Also, it sounds like we think there is Cult, but also a SK or a mafia? In that case, mafia might have a cop or rolecop to help them find the cult. In which case, McGriddle could really be a cop and also be scum.
Personal attacks are modkillable.

Elvis didn't personally attack anyone, if anything he was attacking himself. For someone who's case on another person is that he was pushing for modkills you sure are quick to try and get someone else modkilled.

wolframnhart · Post Post #823 (isolation #77) » Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:34 am

@CD

I don't even think it's the context of the game that matters, lurkers hurt no matter what.

McGriddle wrote:I think CD should be the target tomorrow guys. He is pushing awfully hard for my lynch when he knows I am telling the truth<snip>

Makes no sense. You lied, you admit to lying, you could have outted the real cop assuming there is one with your lie, and you told people to lynch you because you are a liability to the town. CD says he is fine with your lynch and now you are saying he is pushing hard for your lynch?

wolframnhart · Post Post #870 (isolation #78) » Mon Mar 15, 2010 12:51 am

evilsnail wrote:
Kmd4390 wrote:Wow. It was painfully obvious that Mcgriddle made an honest mistake.

In other news, I'm now confident iLord is scum who knew Mcgriddle was town and that the claim looked bad.
Cult tried to recruit Kmd, who said the same thing. That totally makes sense if iLord is scum.

Two things I find wrong with this sentence. One, it's an easy way for scum to start the day by trying to use a deadman's words against another player. Two, evilsnail says

if

iLord is scum, aside from iLord's comment on McGriddle at the end of Day 1 there is no other basis to this vote. Evilsnail doesn't seem totally sure that iLord

is

scum, only that KMD's words make sense

if

he is scum.

vote evilsnail

wolframnhart · Post Post #898 (isolation #79) » Mon Mar 15, 2010 12:31 pm

Remind me not to post right when i get up and am starving, i looked over my post and even i didn't quite get it.

What I was trying to get at is Evilsnail didn't say anything about iLord being possible scum day 1, then as soon as the day started he came out trying to use KMD's post as a case against iLord, but saying it only made sense if iLord is scum, and aside from that, evilsnail has no case based off of any of yesterday's posts, he is just going off of one post that isn't even iLords.

wolframnhart · Post Post #924 (isolation #80) » Tue Mar 16, 2010 9:25 am

^^ this. tate i believe the rule you should play to win applies to you, and you sir are not playing to win.

unvote, vote tate

wolframnhart · Post Post #945 (isolation #81) » Tue Mar 16, 2010 12:32 pm

Hello Pie. Almost thought I had played with you before in a newbie game, but i checked it and saw it was actually someone named Pieisgoo.

wolframnhart · Post Post #947 (isolation #82) » Tue Mar 16, 2010 12:46 pm

1)wolramnhart, not wolframnheart, but I can understand the mistake.

2)I found all three to be scummy, I try not to pass people off as VI's though it does happen. I found them to be scummy when I voted them. I have not yet removed my vote from Tate (now Pie) because his actions don't scream townie to me, as I believe I made clear on Day 1. The follow up on Day 2 was more then i needed to believe he needed to be voted for and be done with. Had he flipped town, distraction gone. Had he flipped scum, distraction and scum gone, seemed like a win/win.

What did you think about tate? The only real response from you today is when Pie replaced in, where you said you were going to get your ass in gear. Why does Pie coming in make that happen?

wolframnhart · Post Post #952 (isolation #83) » Tue Mar 16, 2010 12:57 pm

Actually I was voting for tate for the quote Starbuck had put before mine, along with suspicion i had about him on Day 1. The playing to win part was just a comment directed to tate about his play.

wolframnhart · Post Post #955 (isolation #84) » Tue Mar 16, 2010 1:00 pm

iLord wrote:
E_K wrote:iLord, it seems like you are saying that tate was scummy for refusing to participate. That is a valid reason. It's basically why active lurking is scummy.

But wolfy said that he was voting tate for "not playing to win" WHICH HAS NO BEARING ON HIS ALLIGNMENT.
Refusing to participate in tate's case had no absolute bearing no his alignment. His personality strongly indicates that.

Arguable there, however, is that wolf shouldn't have gone for the lynch, but rather should've PM'd the mod/posted for the modkill. Wolf?

I tend to let the Mod decide those matters on their own. After the mishap with McGriddle and the posting of an ongoing game and seeing how it took people awhile to get over that one, i thought it best to let Mod's do a Mod's job. Farside seemed to decide to let tate be replaced instead, and that is fine with me.

wolframnhart · Post Post #966 (isolation #85) » Tue Mar 16, 2010 1:20 pm

Pie_is_good wrote:We wagoned Tate for referencing the sample PM?
Really?

LoL

wolframnhart · Post Post #1107 (isolation #86) » Sat Mar 20, 2010 1:20 am

Hey guys sorry for not posting my work schedule is gonna make it a bit hard for me to post until about late monday unless I get some time on Sunday. Really sorry but Farside please don't replace me unless it becomes absolutely necessary.

wolframnhart · Post Post #1131 (isolation #87) » Sun Mar 21, 2010 3:06 am

Ok so I had time to go over what I missed and again am sorry about the lack of posting, I might have to modify my Sig and put it as "Iffy playtime late friday to late monday" but hopefully not.

Anyways. Looking at manho I can see people's problem with him. He does dig himself into holes for one, and posts like these:

manho wrote:i think i've missed pie's case on me?

Are just Lawls and *facepalm*s

Pie has posted her case/reason to vote him already:

Manho wrote:Why isn't manho dead yet? Literally half the content he's posted has been some variation on "Tate quoted the role PM!!!!!!," which a) happened early on page 1, and b) was originally brought up by someone else (Zazie). That's both forced AND a form of active lurking.

Not sure how he missed that. Problem is that with the votes going on manho I can't help but wonder about some of the votes on him, especially when I see this:

bv310 wrote:Read over what I missed. Thinking manho is the scummiest, but not by much over Yos and Pie.

Vote: Manho

No real reasoning why he thinks manho is scummiest, and over Yos and Pie? Pie was the one telling people to vote manho, so if bv310 has some doubt over Pie why vote her way? Now true Ani voted before Bv310 and didn't give a reason other then "sure"
but Bv310 has stated he read over it, but is not posting any type of "why I think manho is scum" thoughts and is following someone that apparently he thinks is just slightly scummy under the person he is voting, which does not seem to make much sense to me.

unvote, vote Bv310

wolframnhart · Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:31 am

elvis_knits wrote:
wolframnhart wrote:Ok so I had time to go over what I missed and again am sorry about the lack of posting, I might have to modify my Sig and put it as "Iffy playtime late friday to late monday" but hopefully not.

Anyways. Looking at manho I can see people's problem with him. He does dig himself into holes for one, and posts like these:
manho wrote:i think i've missed pie's case on me?
Are just Lawls and *facepalm*s

Pie has posted her case/reason to vote him already:
Manho wrote:Why isn't manho dead yet? Literally half the content he's posted has been some variation on "Tate quoted the role PM!!!!!!," which a) happened early on page 1, and b) was originally brought up by someone else (Zazie). That's both forced AND a form of active lurking.
Not sure how he missed that. Problem is that with the votes going on manho I can't help but wonder about some of the votes on him, especially when I see this:
bv310 wrote:Read over what I missed. Thinking manho is the scummiest, but not by much over Yos and Pie.

Vote: Manho
No real reasoning why he thinks manho is scummiest, and over Yos and Pie? Pie was the one telling people to vote manho, so if bv310 has some doubt over Pie why vote her way? Now true Ani voted before Bv310 and didn't give a reason other then "sure"
but Bv310 has stated he read over it, but is not posting any type of "why I think manho is scum" thoughts and is following someone that apparently he thinks is just slightly scummy under the person he is voting, which does not seem to make much sense to me.

unvote, vote Bv310
Not really a fan of wolf saying he thinks manho is scummy but he thinks some of the votes on manho are scummier.

I wasn't saying I thought manho was scummy, i said I can see people's problem with him and that when I saw Bv310's vote on him, it didn't make sense to me.

wolframnhart · Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:32 am

I am really not feeling the manho wagon, I would much rather see bv310 lynched, however it is hard to keep a case up on someone when they are not posting much. Manho being stuck on the whole zombie lords vote from tate doesn't make me think scummanho, rather VImanho, though in this game even a VI can be deadly in the end.

@Manho
Hammer has been called for, it has been asked already but can you please post a list of suspects, even if they are gut reads or suspicions as long as you explain what it is about them that makes your gutdar go off.

wolframnhart · Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:46 am

ODDin wrote:We should at least wait for the NS replacement to join in and hopefully give at least a rudimentary opinion before hammering.

That's assuming that:
A)Farside finds someone before Sat deadline
B)Said person reads up in time and can post opinion

At this point I hate to say it but a replacement would have a better chance of catching up at night phase, but since we have saturday (and maybe a extension because of replacement) we shall see what happens.

wolframnhart · Sat Mar 27, 2010 12:39 am

vote Bv310

Still didn't like his play yesterday, would take a big change to make me unvote him today.

wolframnhart · Post Post #1296 (isolation #92) » Sun Mar 28, 2010 2:52 am

animorpherv1 wrote:ITT CMAR is scumslips
vote:CMAR

Huh?

wolframnhart · Post Post #1409 (isolation #93) » Sun Mar 28, 2010 3:59 pm

unvote bv310

So much back and forth I missed while at work.
Way I see it:
1)Evil is lying because he all of a sudden got a result on Reck and has started in on him. I can easily see this as Evil had gotten recruited last night, and is trying to get Reck killed. In this instance if/when Reck flips town, zombies recruit another person next night, and Evil is lynched next day, saving one of or the Zombie Lord since he/they are the ones that need to be killed to end the game. KMD being a bodyguard could have protected a cult member and died from it ( i believe that is how bodyguard works yes?) so to say Reck "targetted" KMD is convenient for Evil to use against him.

2)Reck is scum and is trying to throw people off track and get Evil lynched, saving himself for another day, cult does not have to try and kill Evil who would be protected if possible because Recks flip of scum would prove him and Evil is free to watch others. Again KMD could have protected a cult member and died from that instead of being killed by cult, though it would take a confirmation of lynching either Reck or Evil to prove that I think.

Question is where to go from here. I am taking the family to Disneyland tomorrow so won't be posting till later, but will think on this and post up again when we get home, if not then very early next day.

wolframnhart · Mon Mar 29, 2010 11:25 am

Well Disneyland was a horrible idea. Anyways looking at this situation over again all i see is Reck still loosing his cool, and evil really not, just standing by his facts. Reck's list of people to lynch from is just laughable, only because I have no idea where I come in as number 1 and then very next post just a minute later Suave is suddenly the scummiest and needs to go. Not buying it.

vote Reck

wolframnhart · Mon Mar 29, 2010 12:03 pm

xRECKONERx wrote:Uh, wolf, don't be retarded. I just copied the mod's list of active players and removed myself, ODDin, bv, and evilsnail.

So you took evilsnail out, the person saying he knows you are scum because you targetted KMD? Yea that makes no sense to me at all, clear buddying attempt.

wolframnhart · Mon Mar 29, 2010 12:17 pm

I am paying attention, I just don't see why others aren't, I'm going with partners not wanting to see their mate go down.

Reck claims cop, evil claims Sheriff, to me, same role. One has to be scum. Evil says Reck is, and looking at it, i don't see evil trying to get Reck killed off right now just to die the next day if it is shown he is lying. Reck SHOULD be pushing for Evil's lynch being as it is a claim and counter claim situation in my mind, and he isn't. To me, that is buddying. It makes no sense to me at all, even if he is going with ABR's "leave them both alone" plan, which hey lookie there, even ABR is not going with that plan.

wolframnhart · Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:52 am

Being as CD is being replaced would rather wait to see what his replacement says. Not getting a CMAR scum vibe for a lynch.

wolframnhart · Wed Mar 31, 2010 11:06 am

SlySly wrote:
animorpherv1 wrote:CD got replaced in another game, and Sly, are your argumnets ALL this bad?
Hey, at least I am not ruining games over an icon bet.

Huh?

wolframnhart · Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:11 pm

elvis_knits wrote:
SlySly wrote:I would be down with lynching bv, EK or Oddin also.
This is so stupid.

Your BBF Reck says he investigated bv and oddin innocent. IF YOU BELIEVE RECKONER IS TOWN YOU SHOULDN'T WANT TO LYNCH BV OR ODDIN!

That's a pretty valid point.

wolframnhart · Thu Apr 01, 2010 5:18 am

SlySly wrote:
xRECKONERx wrote:At least
someone
is trying to defend the fucking cop. Sheesh. I still have a staggering number of people on me, though, who I suggest should UN-FUCKING-VOTE at this juncture.
Seems like a no-brainer to not kill the cop and to kill the ZL that wants our PRs out in the open to be targeted for NK.

Why don't you fuckers just lynch me, it will save me the trouble of having to put up with this ridiculousness?!?!

Not appreciative of that last comment. If you feel that way why don't you replace out instead of calling people fuckers?

wolframnhart · Fri Apr 02, 2010 4:11 am

@Spyrex

The first quote was because I saw we were going totally off hunting and onto talking about mod kills, which should be left up to the mod and so I dropped it. The second quote wasn't a backhand comment to try and get tate killed, I was simply stating a fact, he wasn't playing to win with the way he was going, but that was the only thing i even said on it, had i keept pushing it i could see a point. Third quote is because I thought it was funny that someone who had a case against another on talking about modkills was quick to talk about mod kills against others.

wolframnhart · Sat Apr 03, 2010 4:45 pm

I don't really see why the reck wagon has lost steam right now, even if i do somewhat understand peoples concern over lynching a claimed cop. Since no one wants to move over and hammer I will

unvote

but still place

SFoS

On Reck cuz I just don't completely trust him right now.

Not 100% getting the CMAR wagon right now, of all players to lynch today I would rather go the Suave route since an active lurker that promises content without giving it is a great place for a ZL or a recruit to hide.

wolframnhart · Mon Apr 05, 2010 6:40 am

Since many have said they would not want to lynch Reck or Evil, CMAR's wagon seemed to grow a bit too quick, yet the case against him i don't agree with. I don't find him scummy and I don't think we should lynch him just for lynching someone other then Reck, evil, oddin, or bv seems too easy for scum to slip onto. I would much rather lynch Suave who's repeated promise for content is by far more scummy to me.

vote Suave

wolframnhart · Mon Apr 05, 2010 11:13 am

CryMeARiver wrote:
farside22 wrote:
MrSuave has been targeted for breaking rule 10. I found bv310 not as bad but on warning that he could be next.
What happens to him?

I believe rule 10 states:

10) If I catch people lurking or posting just to post so they don’t get caught by me will end up with a post restriction that will result in much chaos and not be helpful. I do this because posting crap is not helpful.

So it seems he will have a post restriction that will not help whichever side he may be on since it doesn't specify in the rule.

wolframnhart · Tue Apr 06, 2010 3:00 am

elvis_knits wrote:
Starbuck wrote:
elvis_knits wrote:Look... he's a zombielord for crying out loud.
Do you have some kind of proof that the rest of us don't? Because this has not been proven.
No, I have no proof, but ES does. ES claims that Reck targetted KMD (the NK) N1. Since we know that PR's die when a recruit attempt is made, it seems most likely that KMD died while trying to be recruited. Now, that doesn't mean other roles might not also target kmd for whatever reason. BUT Reck does not admit targetting KMD. Which means either KMD or ES is lying.

I can see that, since I had the same stance when I voted Reck, but really now the only way to prove that right now is lynch one of them, which many are against today.

wolframnhart · Tue Apr 06, 2010 3:05 am

Starbuck wrote:But Reck claimed who he targeted BEFORE ES came out with his target. You don't think ES could have been waiting so that he could purposely contradict Reck?

Well that's pathetic i didn't even remember that.

wolframnhart · Tue Apr 06, 2010 3:19 am

I would have done it differently.

ES wrote:I have info that says xReck is scum. I won't reveal what this is yet, but xReck needs to claim in his next post.

I have only been a cop once and I did a mistake like this as well, and from it i have learned if you have info on someone as ES says he does then you push for a lynch on said player and don't reveal anymore info then you have to if you are a power role. i have never seen a delayed tracker or whatever role you want to call ES (not saying it's not possible) but we have a claim against a claimed cop, another wagon that I'm unsure of right now, and Suave who is not posting/hunting/doing anything but hiding and now has a post restriction that if he ever posts will be a chaotic one, and out of all those I would rather get rid of Suave.

wolframnhart · Tue Apr 06, 2010 5:21 pm

If you can read enough to know that people are upset at you for not posting promised content, then you should know why people have been debating Reck and also who some people are considering a better target atm.

And where is your post restriction?

wolframnhart · Tue Apr 06, 2010 5:21 pm

Annnnddd ninja'd

wolframnhart · Thu Apr 08, 2010 5:38 am

unvote

Since no one seems to want to join me in getting rid of a player who has proven he doesn't read the thread, posts no promised content etc, i will unvote.

@CMAR
I need glasses or lasik surgery or something because I do not see whatever breadcrumb you say you have dropped, and with deadline approaching I would think you would claim to get people off of you and onto Reck who you find scummy, but you aren't. Why?

wolframnhart · Thu Apr 08, 2010 5:59 am

Great..claimed cop, doc, and delayed tracker/watcher whatever evil is.

wolframnhart · Thu Apr 08, 2010 6:25 am

SlySly wrote:
CryMeARiver wrote:I protect a person from becoming infected that night.
This sure leans towards Reck telling the truth. You should reconsider your vote.

Nice point.

wolframnhart · Thu Apr 08, 2010 6:27 am

if so it's a bad one.

wolframnhart · Thu Apr 08, 2010 7:59 am

SlySly wrote:
xRECKONERx wrote:ABR, wolf, Sly: blowjobs all around if you get on the CMAR wagon right now.
Not getting on the Doc wagon, sorry.

This. His claim goes along with yours, which does make me wonder about why he is voting you, but I am not about to vote for the claimed doc.

wolframnhart · Thu Apr 08, 2010 8:14 am

It's not that I 100% believe CMAR, it is just that at this time, he has not been countered and his claim flavor goes along with Recks, so I really do not want to lynch him.

wolframnhart · Thu Apr 08, 2010 9:49 am

vote Pie

Not going for the doc or the cop, and not about to let the cop be killed due to the lynching rule.

wolframnhart · Thu Apr 08, 2010 11:03 am

SlySly wrote:
Pie_is_good wrote:
Unvote: CMAR, Vote: Reck

Pure unadulterated self-preservation. This is quite literally the worst reason I've ever been wagoned in my mafia career ("I'm not voting for a claimed
insert generic power role here
!").
You are getting lynched today.

Only way for that to happen is for Oddin to vote pie and someone else from recks wagon to vote pie, and i don't see that scenario playing out.

wolframnhart · Fri Apr 09, 2010 3:08 am

farside22 wrote:
Mod: Can you confirm that you did not allow a N2 action of CMAR's to go through?

Your smoking crack if you think I'm confirming or denying this.

LoL i love farside.

wolframnhart · Mon Apr 12, 2010 9:47 am

@ES

Why when Reck claimed sheriff yesterday did you not counter it and say

you

where the sheriff? Why wait until today?

wolframnhart · Mon Apr 12, 2010 9:53 am

Oi, disregard my question. Went and looked back, I thought Reck had claimed sheriff and evil had claimed cop, had it all reversed.

wolframnhart · Mon Apr 12, 2010 9:54 am

Question for Reck then:
Why did you investigate Grimmy? Why not Evil to make sure he was what he said he was?

wolframnhart · Tue Apr 13, 2010 3:35 am

vote ABR

Don't see a reason for Percy to be lying.

wolframnhart · Fri Apr 16, 2010 6:52 am

WHy exactly did you kill evilsnail starbuck?

wolframnhart · Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:13 am

Ok starbuck, i understand now.

I'm good to hammer, i don't see how Reck is a sheriff type role or whatever you want to call it when evilsnail has flipped it. However I do think some more discussion would probably be best at this point.

wolframnhart · Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:38 am

SLySLy just think of how many investigation roles/info roles that would mean for the town.
deputy - kmd
sheriff - evilsnail
cop - reck
tracker/watcher - percy

Just having a sheriff that's part jailkeeper, then a deputy for back up, and a tracker/watcher combo is a major info gathering force. Add a cop to that who can find infected/not infected and it just seems a little much. And since Percy was the one that outted ABR as scum i don't find him scum at all, which leaves reck.

wolframnhart · Sat Apr 17, 2010 12:25 pm

I looked at your game, OpenSource mafia unless i am wrong, and i see it's because there was a sane and insane cop, so you think reck is insane? or sane?

wolframnhart · Sat Apr 17, 2010 12:55 pm

Ok so sane cop. I'm just trying to follow your train of thought here.

So you think that Reck was Scum Bussed? Making it so Evilsnail targetted an actual scum, but thought it was Reck due to the Bus effect?

wolframnhart · Sat Apr 17, 2010 1:26 pm

Reck:
N1: bv310, not infected
N2: ODDin, not infected
N3: Grimmy, not infected
N4: evilsnail, not infected

Evil:

Night 1: Yosarian2
Night 2: xReck, found out he targetted kmd Night 1.
Night 3: Starbuck, found out she targetted Yosarian Night 2 and no one Night 1.

Ok so let's look at this. For evil to get a result on Reck that means Reck had to be in a bus with someone on night 2 right? But didn't elvis say that his ability jailkeeps his target? So if Elvis did target Reck but got someone else wouldn't Reck not be able to be Bussed because of the JK ability?

wolframnhart · Sat Apr 17, 2010 1:38 pm

Ok see maybe i am not understanding the Bus Driver role properly then. I thought the Bus Driver ability only switched actions taken on the people swapped.

EX:
Reck and MrSuave are Bussed. Evils targets Reck, but gets results on Suave.

Not:
Evil and Reck are Bussed by Suave. Evil targets Reck but gets the result as if he targetted Suave.

wolframnhart · Sat Apr 17, 2010 1:54 pm

But that is just it, if he is jailed then he can't get results on bv/kmd.
Also since in your scenario reck wasn't in the Bus, evils results wouldn't have been screwy. Had Evil targetted Reck while Reck was in the Bus, then yes i can see the results being switched.

Does anyone else have anything to say in this matter? Do i have this completely bassackwards?

wolframnhart · Sat Apr 17, 2010 2:05 pm

Well that and Elvis saying that his role jailkept someone, and it doesn't look like he was lying.

wolframnhart · Sat Apr 17, 2010 2:07 pm

Like I said before, i'm good to hammer, but i thought some more discussion would be good. If that's not what people want then i will hammer.

wolframnhart · Sat Apr 17, 2010 2:09 pm

Well ok then

vote Reck

wolframnhart · Sat Apr 17, 2010 2:15 pm

SpyreX wrote:With one dead they can't afford to be as chummy. They'd have to find SOMETHING to distance from each other at least a bit.

True, i wouldn't think ZL, possible recruit though.

wolframnhart · Mon Apr 19, 2010 11:38 am

I love Farside

Ani wrote:I'd say I'm not a ZL, because I've never sent in an action, but that doesn't really count, does it?

Nope, especially since you could be lying.

SlySly wrote:Not.

So a Zl then?

Suave wouldn't really surprise me either at this point, though if the last Zl is a lurker that's about to be modkilled would be a sad ending for the Zl's.

wolframnhart · Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:17 am

vote Spyrex

What makes you so sure of ani? I see others on Sly's voting list that are on both, you say there is something there, but you aren't trying to prove it.

wolframnhart · Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:38 am

SpyreX wrote:I'm rollin the hard six on Starbuck NOT being a ZL. Its going to take a lot to get me moving in that direction.

Especially with wolfs little "I am a recruit and I don't like the push on ani" vote.

Oh yea, exactly what it is

let's reach a little further there Stretch Armstrong

wolframnhart · Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:43 am

Yes I do, to vote someone I think is a recruit would not be a good thing right now. What makes you so damn sure in Ani's iso that he is a ZL and not a recruit?

wolframnhart · Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:44 am

So he likes playing with ABR and Reck, that makes him a ZL?

wolframnhart · Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:54 am

First - LoL, just LoL to the top post

Second - Specific examples please. I know i know you say go iso him, but I want to see what examples

you

think make him a ZL.

wolframnhart · Tue Apr 20, 2010 12:05 pm

mod i was voting spyrex, not ani

Fixed

wolframnhart · Tue Apr 20, 2010 12:47 pm

hmmm

I gotta look over this. Good argument I admit...

wolframnhart · Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:06 pm

That has to be the biggest load of BS i have seen in awhile. And that better not be your one and only half assed post today. You suspect Starbuck because Starbuck can appear as town but be scum. You have no proof, but you are going to throw that out anyways? Suave you owe this game a decent post. Your next post needs to be posts showing why you think starbuck is scum, or who you think is and why.

wolframnhart · Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:08 am

Good point by Starbuck, though if it is true, i doubt that last crap post by Suave will save him from a modkill.

wolframnhart · Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:43 am

animorpherv1 wrote:I recall this being used somewhere else, and figure I shgould bring it up again, as a Case for me.

If I am that tight with ABR/Reck, it put the scum gruop in more danger than the ABR/Reck busing each other thing, and that IS NOT a good move for scum to do that.

i'm sorry, what?

wolframnhart · Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:10 pm

Who do you believe is the ZL ani?

wolframnhart · Thu Apr 22, 2010 2:43 pm

I thought ani was saying 0it was bad to have the scum focus on reck?

wolframnhart · Sat Apr 24, 2010 4:01 pm

SlySly wrote:Since there was no kill last night, I'm wondering now if she is some kind of shot limited scum vig or she is ZL, like I have long suspected, and just decided to not recruit Percy last night to give more credibility to her claim.

Not sure what this does for your train of though, but she wouldn't have been able to recruit Percy, PR's die if a recruit is attempted on them.

wolframnhart · Sat Apr 24, 2010 4:17 pm

Yea i read that wrong, my bad.

wolframnhart · Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:29 am

vote ani

You go after SPyrex for his "leap" of possible vig to vig speculation, and then you yourself go from 3 ZL to 3 ZL makes no sense? Doesn't compute.

wolframnhart · Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:19 pm

unvote, vote ani

I still like my vote.

wolframnhart · Thu Apr 29, 2010 6:50 am

Well if he is, he will more then likely be mod killed today anyways. We will have to see.

wolframnhart · Sat May 01, 2010 12:22 pm

I realize that as much as Starbuck has taken out two of the towns PRs, i just can't see anything in her explanations of why as scumStar. Suave seems pretty scummy to me still, saying he was going to be a "hero" and hammer ani, I still don't know why he did that i dont think i remember him saying he thought ani was scummy, and his post today against starbuck just seems off to me. To avoid a possible quick lynch though which might be the end of the game, i will

FoS Suave

for now.

wolframnhart · Mon May 03, 2010 11:37 am

Oddin wrote:I don't want to lynch Starbuck today, even though I think she is the most likely candidate for being a ZL. That's because if Starbuck is scum, we should have another mislynch available (even if suave is town and gets modkilled), and if she's town and we lynch her today then we almost certainly lose.

Wait can i ask for some clarification on this? If i am reading this right if Starbuck is a ZL (probably the last) then we win. If Starbuck is scum (which i assume you mean a recruit?) then we have a mislynch available tomorrow if she was lynched and if suave gets modkilled. But if she is town then we loose? Just wanna make sure I got that right.

wolframnhart · Tue May 04, 2010 3:23 am

ok see it still doesn't make sense to me, which makes me feel stupid.

ODDin if you think Starbuck is a ZL then you should be voting for her and possibly end the game. If she is town you think that a mislynch would give us another day then even her mislynch would give us a day to still find the other ZL. But to not vote her and say she can be lynched tomorrow makes no sense. I don't see how you don't have a second suspect by now. If starbuck was to be lynched and flip town vig I would definitely suspect suave because he was saved by the mod from a mod kill which just makes me wonder if the recruits appealed to farside to give him another day so they don't loose. If he was modkilled today then i would most likely suspect E_K because he has gotten quieter the past couple game days.

wolframnhart · Tue May 04, 2010 4:44 am

what people said they wanted suave modkilled? I only see people saying Suave will probably be mod killed.

wolframnhart · Tue May 04, 2010 5:05 am

ODDin wrote:wolf: what you're missing is that Starbuck's role determines the number of recruits.
If Starbuck is town, then the nights she killed yos and evils, the ZLs have recruited people. If she's a ZL, it is assumed that those kills
were
the ZLs' action, and thus there aren't recruits from these nights. So, in the Starbuck-ZL scenario there is only one recruit at the moment, while in the Starbuck-town scenario there are 3 recruits.

Ok thanks for pointing that out, i knew i was missing something.

wolframnhart · Tue May 04, 2010 11:31 am

I think I found something proving that Starbuck is not lying about being a vig. Take a look at the night death scenes:
Night 1

Night 2

Night 3

Night 4

Night 5

Night 6

Ok So Starbuck claims that she killed Yos and Evil. On both those nights there was a loud bang and/or gunshot. Those are the only two nights where that noise was written in. The other nights the person was either found dead with no Bang or gunshot reported (therefore a recruit attempt) or like on night 5 there was no body found (recruit attempt successful i would assume). To me that says Starbuck is telling the truth about being a vig.

wolframnhart · Tue May 04, 2010 11:31 am

I fail at tags ><

wolframnhart · Tue May 04, 2010 12:01 pm

mod can you fix my night 1/night 2 tag mess up?

Fixed!

wolframnhart · Tue May 04, 2010 4:37 pm

Suave wrote:Okay, reading over the last few pages of what has happened as iof yet, I will say that my ideas of Starbuck have greatly changed. Because of this I will go ahead and Unvote... for now.

That kinda funny considering your post where you voted for Starbuck was based off of gut, so what are these ideas you are talking about? And your unvote for now comment says to me that you would put it back there no problem.

Suave what you you really think of Starbuck? DO you think she is town? If so why? Do you think she is scum? If so why?

DO you really have any case against Spyrex? Or just because his play reminds you of someone else? And what the hell is up with the "I like to travel light" comment?

wolframnhart · Wed May 05, 2010 12:17 pm

Grimmy wrote:Question: is it just me or has Spyrex been acting/posting...differently these past fee game days?

I am guessing you meant past three game days, but how exactly do you mean?

Starbuck wrote:It's funny that it took wolf to point this out after all that has been said about SB. I wonder why she wasn't capable of pointing this out herself. It's almost as if her recruit is digging hard to find a reason to think she isn't the ZL.

I just happened to remember about the sounds and went back and saw those two nights where she claimed to kill said person there was a gun involved. if you still believe she is a ZL and not a vig as she claims then by all means vote her, but those night scenes prove it to me that she is a vig.

wolframnhart · Wed May 05, 2010 12:54 pm

I am well aware of where your vote has moved too, I'm just saying it doesn't appear that you fully believe Starbuck is a vig, you even go so far as to say I am a recruit trying to save Starbuck.

wolframnhart · Wed May 05, 2010 1:14 pm

iLord wrote:Who's up for a SpyreX lynch?

I'd have to see more of a case on him then "he's posted differently these past three game days." I don't think that is or was your case against him iLord but if that was all there was I would say he is likely a recruit now instead of a full ZL.

wolframnhart · Thu May 06, 2010 6:02 am

I can see my way to voting E_K at this point. Having Suave ignore this game is one thing, but when another does it I begin to wonder if the thought process is "well if he gets away with not posting maybe i can too."

E_K, i would like to see a real post from you. Who do you think is the last ZL and why? Specifics and posts please

wolframnhart · Thu May 06, 2010 10:25 am

elvis_knits wrote:I haven't had much time for mafia these days. I'm barely posting in my other game either.

I think we should lynch either Spyrex, or Sly. Maybe Starbuck, for her "oh I'm a vig who killed a couple power roles, and I have no bullets left to prove it" shenanigans. It just seems like that is an awfully convenient way to 1)claim vig on people who were probably failed recruits; and 2)make the cult seem larger (if they didn't fail recruit those days, they have more members) to create more panic/hysteria.

I think Suave is a red herring because people were hoping/counting on a modkill.

E_K what do you think about my.. case i guess i will call it, on why Starbuck is a vig?

You said before that people were hoping for Suave to get modkilled, and we asked you to point out where that was said. You never did. Now you still say "hope" and now also "counting on." I can't speak for everyone but i think that Suave will still get modkilled because he has not yet posted enough under Farsides "post or else" rule she gave him, hell Farside even said that his past few posts don't even count.

wolframnhart · Thu May 06, 2010 11:29 am

What's POE?

wolframnhart · Sat May 08, 2010 2:28 am

mod i think we needs some prods on a couple players

wolframnhart · Sat May 08, 2010 6:00 am

ODDin wrote:Actually, this makes me think wolf might also be scum, defending her for whatever reasons (buddying and getting credit points, possibly). By that point, it was pretty obvious Starbuck wasn't going to get lynched - sly and I were pretty much the only ones expressing any willingness to lynch her.

The reason i cleared SB is because there was a lot of discussion through out the game about her being a vig or being a ZL claiming to be vig. I was looking for concrete evidence on either possibility, and came across the night scene noises. Those cleared SB to me, so I posted my finds.

wolframnhart · Mon May 10, 2010 12:28 pm

elvis_knits wrote:I'm not a recruit, that's why this ODDin lynch is not going through quickly.

What now? ODDin's lynch is not going through because you are not a recruit?

wolframnhart · Mon May 10, 2010 12:53 pm

AH i see.

ODDin got to L-1 and grimmy wouldn't hammer him, neither would Suave, and sly switched his vote. Suave doesn't post almost at all and is going off gut with his vote on Spyrex, Grimmy hasn't posted much and votes me off gut, and Sly switched his vote cuz he was down with lynching EK. Why am i getting a protecting vibe from all this?

vote ODDin

wolframnhart · Mon May 10, 2010 1:49 pm

iLord all i see right here is that grimmy and suave came out of the woodworks and went off "gut" readings in what is probably LyLo. With them going after different targets, and probably dissapearing again, i just really feel like Grimmy and Suave are recruits protecting ZL ODDin.

wolframnhart · Mon May 10, 2010 4:14 pm

I'm sure you will have a couple, but i say if you think it's right then hammer away. What do you think about my thoughts on Grimmy and Suave SlySly?

wolframnhart · Mon May 10, 2010 4:30 pm

I think even if she said "I am ready for this game to end" there would be a question about the wordage. If ODDin isn't the ZL and we had another day, maybe the question would bring a double take, but i still believe starbuck to be the vig, so i see nothing suspicious from her words.

wolframnhart · Tue May 11, 2010 1:56 am

SlySly wrote:For the lazies who don't like digging...

farside22, in the first supposed 'vig' scene, wrote:
Another night has come. This time you put in your ear plugs to block out the noices as much as possible.

BAM!

You startle at the noise and wonder was it a car backfiring? You prey more for a death to the creatures.

What I take from this little scene on the death of Yosarian is there was a loud BAM noise, people wonder if it was a car backfiring, but what they preyed for was a death to the creatures. And the noise heard on Day Five's lynch was because in the scene:

Farside wrote:Guards stand by with shoot guns.

Suddenly the dirt starts to move and a hand comes out of the grave.

So there were guards with shotguns, if someones has a gun, there will be a noise if they use it, so when Reck was climbing out of the grave the guards decided to kill him with the shot guns:

Farside wrote:BANG

BANG

xRECKONERx - ZombieLord - lynched Day 5

wolframnhart · Tue May 11, 2010 11:02 am

YESSSSSSS!!!!!!! OMG that was the most stressful few days I have ever had in a game!

wolframnhart · Tue May 11, 2010 11:09 am

I gotta say I was really worried there when Percy caught ABR, then when evilsnail was killed and Reck was lynched right after that I thought it was all lost. But really Spyrex becoming a recruit was the best choice I could have made. He really helped turn the tables back to may favor. It was pretty hairy there with Percy alive because there was such a big chance he could get me like he did ABR, so once I felt it was safe to kill him I did. SlySly was my choice for the last recruit for the win because I really felt like he was an honorary member of the ZL's with all the help he inadvertingly gave us.

Seriously though, Spyrex thanks so much for the help there.

wolframnhart · Tue May 11, 2010 11:10 am

iLord were you a PGO? You wanting to become a recruit so bad scared me.

wolframnhart · Tue May 11, 2010 11:10 am

Yea I really needed some town cred, so i tried hard to find a way to clear SB, the night scenes really helped me with that and I felt much safer after I "cleared" her.

wolframnhart · Tue May 11, 2010 11:16 am

LoL yea had you not been so adamant about wanting to be recruited, especially when you told a recruit to claim and vote ODDin and you would hammer, I really thought that was a ploy to get targeted to take you the last ZL.

wolframnhart · Tue May 11, 2010 11:17 am

*EBWOP take out the last ZL.

wolframnhart · Tue May 11, 2010 11:20 am

Farside thank you so much for this great fun game. My first time in a cult game and it was a ton of fun, with a lot of different strategies that I had to learn on the fly. It was great being on the same team as Reck and ABR and seeing how they thought and played.

wolframnhart · Tue May 11, 2010 11:40 am

lol i had forgotten we tried for ODDin at one point.

wolframnhart · Tue May 11, 2010 11:43 am

I really started worrying when EK and i couldn't get on at the same time to get the hammer down on ODDin, and when Sly unvoted him i about went crazy LoL

wolframnhart · Tue May 11, 2010 11:46 am

I possibly see some nominations to people in this game.

wolframnhart · Tue May 11, 2010 12:35 pm

I just remembered, i love how i was right in the QT about bv being a cop type role, so great.

wolframnhart · Tue May 11, 2010 2:13 pm

xRECKONERx wrote:HELL YES WOLF <3<3<3

I can't believe we won.

Hehe, glad i made you proud Reck!

wolframnhart · Tue May 11, 2010 2:15 pm

Grimmy wrote:My best showing so far, and I lost.

I regret nothing.

Grimmy

wonders who would have been the last recruit.

Yea grimmy had you been around a bit more and posted against me more often, i would have been in a world of hurt.

wolframnhart · Wed May 12, 2010 12:53 am

It's funny, my record for scum is much better then my record for town, yet i hate playing as scum *shrug*

@Pie
Yea i agree with Spyrex, your lynch was definitely the worst thing that could happen to town, yet that was what made that extra day of life for reck that much sweeter

wolframnhart · Wed May 12, 2010 9:14 am

I kinda think it also hurt the town that the doc didn't/wasn't able to protect anyone the first two game nights.

wolframnhart · Wed May 12, 2010 9:16 am

Hey i get that things happen, no worries mate.

wolframnhart · Wed May 12, 2010 9:43 am

Hush you, or i will eat more of your face!
BRRAAAIIINNNSSS

wolframnhart · Wed May 12, 2010 11:31 am

Thanks Spy. I was worried for a bit that it would bite me in the ass, but really I think it saved and helped me and the team in the end.

wolframnhart · Wed May 12, 2010 11:32 am

Of course I don't know if i will ever use night scenes to clear someone again. It worked for this game since zombies couldn't use guns, but I don't know if it will work again.

wolframnhart · Wed May 12, 2010 11:36 am

I also have to say:

Suave will never be allowed in any of my games. I have played with him twice and he is a waste of a player slot.