Karma Mafia (Game Over!)

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Hello old chaps. Confirmations and such.

Vote: Dybeck

Hello Mr. Beaver.

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Unvote, Vote: Seraphim

There's only room for one Bioshock 2 avatar in this game.

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Now that's just a stupid way to play this game. If you don't agree with a player in the game, then replace out.

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Seraphim, I've seen people playing like that before. They don't usually try to group policy lynch, they usually just tunnel hardcore and find scumtells where there aren't any. It's actually rather annoying when it happens.

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Lynch All Aardvarks? I think we're past the joke stage buddy.

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Lynch All Aardvarks? I think we're past the joke stage buddy.

Touché

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Why are people in this game seemingly obsessed with staying in the RVS, every time we start getting vagueling non-random conversation we apparently need more ant-eaters.

I can think of a few reasons. Namely, scum trying to prolong the random stage so that they can get a handle on who the weak link in town is.

Incidentally,

Unvote, Vote: Porochaz

You're the worst offender in this regard.

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Seraphim, I've found that it's always scum who try to draw out the RVS in order to get it a bit closer to deadline before the actual play begins. It's usually not close enough to make a difference, but it gives a bit extra time to look for either breadcrumbs (in a theme game) or slight PR-tells.

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It's not ongoing. I checked it out. He just has it listed as ongoing for some reason.

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Probably. Not a very thrilling read, but good for meta purposes.

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That is quite a fun fact. Perhaps they've elected to adopt the active lurker stratagem?

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Also, yes I realize the irony of me calling someone a lurker.

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I think Richard is town, but very whiny town. And not by a big slot either. He seems to grasp the game quite well, but his little tantrum and subsequent backpedaling to say he was reaction-fishing just seems really forced. He seems to be playing the newbie-scum stereotype quite fully.

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Are you known for lurking, or being called a lurker?

A little of both. I'm getting considerably better.

So, is he newbie-scum or very whiny town?

I'm not sure yet. I'm leaning towards newbie-scum, but that's not enough to warrant a real wagon.

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And yes, I realize that I'm contradicting what I said in that quoted post, but he seems slightly scummier after a quick iso-read.

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I don't know what to call him now. He's acting a lot like I did in my first Newbie game. (870, if anyone's interested)

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Reading over Richard in iso, it's not his posting, rather his timing that seems suspicious. He seems to be almost panicking in his iso-5 post, aimed at farside questioning her vote, but within an hour switches to "Just lynch me". The only thing that changed was Farside disagreeing and Seraphim voting. That dramatic a turnaround and AtE seems very much like scum trying to cry their way out.

Then within three posts and two-ish hours, he seemingly rallies and backpedals to "I was reaction-fishing". He then throws in another AtE on Porochaz asking for sympathy. I think Porochaz sums it up nicely in post 149:

Also what reactions were you planning on getting here? All I can see you getting is annoyed WTF is he doing posts.

Gambits are only gambits if you can actually get useful info from them. He then starts to lurk a bit as soon as the attention turns to Anon and Doc, who hadn't posted. As soon as Anon posts, he switches his story again to being frustrated and says that overreaction is just how he plays.

And then we get to now, and then I don't know what happens.

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If I had another vote, I would be voting bv310. He's straddling the fence like a horny anteater. He's still voting Porochaz for 'extending the RVS'. Bullshit. Not to mention, as stated earlier, his posts just scream scum to me.

Parroting PZ too? Nice.

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Papa Zito is vig

Holy rolefishing, Batman!

Seriously, what possible benefit is there to announcing it? If he is, then now he's been outed. If he isn't, then odds are he'll be NK'd and we lose a valuable townie.

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I only saw that one thing, which was how I breadcrumbed vig in a different game (offsite). That's why I was worried when someone flat called him it.

Jahudo, I'm pretty sure he just made up the reaction fishing thing afterwards.

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Faraday, I wasn't discounting him as scum, I just don't see any scumminess in his posts. It's funny though, that argument of "He didn't say scum, so he must be scum!" is almost never used by pro-town players.

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Those are your results? For someone who was clearly calculated to attempt a tantrum-gambit, you really didn't do anything with it. What about CKD in 135? Porochaz's 138? What about in 143 where you say you're "just being a jerk"? Was that part of the gambit? If it was, then why did you add in the AtE at the end of 146?

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I'm trying a new strategy, Farside. After the mess of Seemingly Normal, I feel like I need to make up for it.

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I think you have some valid points. I've been flipflopping on my read of Richard because I couldn't really get a handle on him. He's played a bit like I did in my first Newbie game, but he's also acting scummy. His "results" really affirmed my thoughts though.

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EBWOP: Might be "Confirmed" instead of "Affirmed".

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As of right now, yes.

Unvote, Vote: RichardGHP

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Meta is not an excuse for poor play. I'm aware of my meta as a bit of a lurker, but I at least try to change that, not accept it and use it as an excuse when I play poorly.

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ABR, in 17 posts you haven't said anything. Now you're just switching to a townie wagon with no reasoning whatsoever?

HoS: ABR

And no, this is not meta. Most of your games you at least contribute on a cursory level

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I find them both scummy, but for different reasons. Richard is scummy to me in is reactions to pressure, while ABR is scummy for his lack of contribution and jumping on popular bandwagons. (Although he does seem to play like that in any game I'm in with him)

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That post was meant to be "If he's vig". That's what "if he is" means. How many scum vig's do you know of?

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He prodded me anyway. Prod received. Catchup post coming in a bit. Sociology class is extra boring today.

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@BV: Who says that argument is never used by pro-town players?

I don't think you've really explained why you found Papa Zito town enough not to consider it a possibility. You specifically asked someone else for "possible benefits", so did you also assume that they (or the town in general) would not need to consider a Papa Zito scum as a possibility?

Or was your question merely rhetorical? In which case, why ask it? Were you using it to start a suspicion on Esperonage?

I didn't say Never, but I don't see it used by town all that often. I still don't feel like PZ is scum though. None of his posting so far comes even close to scummy.

My question wasn't rhetorical, I thought maybe Esp wanted to point out an odd post. On seeing the other points against her, something does seem off though.

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Does anybody have any specific questions for me while I'm here? I'm bored as all hell in this class.

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Wait, just saw Sera's 499.

I feel like three of: Richard, Espeonage, ABR, and CKD are scum. Maybe Farside too. After Whedon, I'm suspicious of her. Getting the same vibe now as I did then.

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Mostly for reasons that have already been stated re: Richard and Esp. ABR just smells scummy to me based on the sheer lack of contribution and jumping on wagons. I feel like CKD could be scum pushing a mislynch under the guise of a policy lynch, and Farside is for the reason stated.

As for three of four, I don't feel that both CKD and Richard are scum. If they are, then they win the record for quickest bussing in a game.

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I feel Sera is townie, just slightly tunneled, and I feel like you are playing really similar to Narnia (protown)

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Farside, he switched to a different wagon right when the one he started was gaining steam. It just seems like he's engineering the lynch, then backing off so he's not on it if it ends up being a mislynch.

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Prod received. Still feel the same as I did before, except now I'm starting to think ABR might actively be trying to hurt us. Opinions are nice, but without reasoning tey're not even worth the energy you took to type them.

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Unvote, vote bv

Completely useless and I rather he get lynched than Richard.

Yes, because you've contributed so much more.

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I don't have one to show you, Faraday. I seem to be a magnet for VT roles.

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It wasn't a claim, it was an observation that in the last several games I've played (and been out in), I've had either VT or mild PR roles.

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"Mild PR roles" are usually anything Mason-y or lower on the power scale. I like being a Mason, but it's not exactly a huge PR before Lylo (and Mylo)

[bv310]

Hey guys, sorry for the lack of contributions. Life's been hectic lately, with no likelihood of getting better. I'm going to have to cut down my Mafia playing, so I'll be replacing out. Hopefully you guys will get someone who can be useful.

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Didn't realize how close to deadline it was. I'll stick around for now, then try to replace over night.

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That game's not starting for another week or so at least, which is when exams are over.

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What do you want me to claim? I'm a villager (vanilla townie). I have no special abilities other than my vote and my voice. I win when all anti-town players are eliminated.

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Wooo!