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I probably can't read this until tomorrow, but I will be getting up to speed shortly. Feel free to give me a tl;dr to help me along the way if you can think of anything important I need ot know.Talk nerdy to me.
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GAH... my other games are all crackin right now and I haven't had time to look at this today. I will atleast start looking at stuff tonight or by tomorrow morning. I notice McGriddle is high in votes. I just had an experience with McGriddle as scum. I will look at him ASAP.Talk nerdy to me.
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I started reading, got through only about 6-7 pages. The good thing is there doesn't seem to be too many wall posts, so it's not a bad read. I'm still letting it sink in and not sure what I think as an overall picture (also since I haven't read too much yet). I also looked up the cases on McGriddle and Tate, and they both seem to be lynch-worthy. Reckoner, less so.
So... I know this post isn't super-helpful but I just wanted to let you know I am on my way.Talk nerdy to me.
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It is ongoing. If you can find it for yourself, that would be cool I suppose...iLord wrote:
If this game's not ongoing, I'd totally like a link.E_K wrote:I have totally seen McGriddle play the dumb newb card before. And it was LIES!
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I've never seen him as town. But if he's like this as town also he's dead weight. So he's scum or dead weight.ODDin wrote:e_k: do you have town meta on him as well? The fact that he acted like he does in this game in some other game and turned out to be scum doesn't mean he doesn't act that way always.Talk nerdy to me.
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I just really don't believe that claim. McGriddle said twice he doesn't mind being the lynch today and was pretty fatalistic about the whole thing, not like a cop panicking and begging us not to kill him. Now all the sudden "I'm the cop...lol, oops."
Check it out:McGriddle wrote:Fair enough, I wouldn't mind being the lynch today, I know I have bad play in this game, and if it came to a lylo situation and I was still alive I know I would be the killed person. So if you guys decide to lynch me I am with it.
I suppose we should be careful and not lynch a possible cop, but I really, really don't believe McGriddle.McGriddle wrote:it looks like there is no exit plan for me so I am accepting my fate.Talk nerdy to me.
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I don't think dumb is even a possible explanation. It is simply unnatural for anyone, ESPECIALLY if they are newbish, to not care if they are being lynch if they are a cop. Newb power roles freak out more than anyone.bv310 wrote:^Exactly why I voted for him. For a cop to go "Okay, lynch me" is either ridiculously anti-town, or just plain dumb, and I don't think McG's that dumb.Talk nerdy to me.
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WEll, there's probably a doc. But scum won't know if there is a doc either. They have to take a chance of not having a kill go through if they target you. Chances are they won't do it. Especially if they think they can lynch you.McGriddle wrote:
I dont know that there IS a doctor. And if there is, and he protects me, do you think that will be enough to keep me from being lynched the next day?elvis_knits wrote:Hey McGriddle, have you ever heard of a doctor? A cop usually gets a doc protect and thus doesn't die until the doc has been killed.
You might not get lynched if you started to be helpful and hunt scum. Otherwise, yeah you'd probably get lynched.Talk nerdy to me.
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I mean, I will feel like a dumbass if McGriddle really is a cop... but I really think his behavior does not fit.
Also, it sounds like we think there is Cult, but also a SK or a mafia? In that case, mafia might have a cop or rolecop to help them find the cult. In which case, McGriddle could really be a cop and also be scum.Talk nerdy to me.
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I don't see how McGriddle was obviously town fakeclaiming cop. Maybe it's just my other experience with him, but I didn't think he was obvtown for making a move that I find blatantly scummy. I don't see how iLord and kmd recognized a "town fakeclaiming cop" either, but it's probably because I have a different experience of the player. And I really don't think it's a good idea in general to let fake claimers live because there much more likely to be scum.
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PIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I have been a horrible procrastinator in this game and haven't read much yet although I replaced in at the end of the last day. So I really don't know what to tell you in terms of recap (except that mcGriddle fakeclaimed cop and we lynched him and he flipped town ). But the excitement of your entrance is giving me a boost and I think I might atcually get my ass in gear now.Talk nerdy to me.
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This does not sound like you actually think tate is/was scum. It seems like you are hiding behind a gameplay philosophy as a reason to vote someone, not actual saying you think he is scum.wolframnhart wrote:^^ this. tate i believe the rule you should play to win applies to you, and you sir are not playing to win.
unvote, vote tate
I also ISOed you and found that the only people you've voted this game are mcG, cooldog and tate. Who are all VI's. Well, you voted evilsnail too, but that is a bandwagon that makes no sense to me.
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I have been feeling guilty about ignoring this game. And I love Pie. I haven't seen him play a game in a long time. So it makes me excited.
While I agree that all three of McG, cooldog, and tate, have been scummy in some way or another, it does not seem like you are looking very critically at people, but are taking the easy road (by voting VI's), and going with the flow of things. It does not seem like you are really scum hunting becuase you're picking ALL easy targets.Talk nerdy to me.
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iLord, it seems like you are saying that tate was scummy for refusing to participate. That is a valid reason. It's basically why active lurking is scummy.
But wolfy said that he was voting tate for "not playing to win" WHICH HAS NO BEARING ON HIS ALLIGNMENT.Talk nerdy to me.
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I would probably wagon any of those people. The current people like abr and evilsnail don't interest me, but those do.Pie_is_good wrote:In fact, I'm feeling all cavalier. I'll go for the quad post andVote: Cooldog. Subject to change if something interesting happens in the reread. Again: at this point I would also be down to wagon manho or Yos, so if anyone would rather do that let me know and I'll join in the fun.Talk nerdy to me.
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When I read the little of this game I read, I thought Yos's early "jokes" came off a little forced. He tried to get support for some wagon (cooldog?) by quoting himself and being like "I agree with Yosarian2" and "Yos makes a really good point there." Which seemed weird to be becuase hardly anyone else was joking around, they were all talking about the sample PM thing which Yos studiously ignored. Jokes>content=scummy
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Not what I said. Jokes aren't scummy. Jokes without content elsewhere are scummy. Jokey, randomish votes when people seem to be making serious votes = scumym.Yosarian2 wrote:
...jokes are scummy?elvis_knits wrote:When I read the little of this game I read, I thought Yos's early "jokes" came off a little forced. He tried to get support for some wagon (cooldog?) by quoting himself and being like "I agree with Yosarian2" and "Yos makes a really good point there." Which seemed weird to be becuase hardly anyone else was joking around, they were all talking about the sample PM thing which Yos studiously ignored. Jokes>content=scummy
I call BS. Check page 2. You moved your vote after people thought your jokes were weird, and unvoted CoolDog before he even posted. THat's not going to get any reaction from him is it?Yos wrote: Yes, I was joking. I was also trying to start off the game doing something weird in order to try and get some kind of reaction out of Cooldog, because having played with him in the past, I've found him hard to read; last time I played with him .Talk nerdy to me.
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I've played with her probably 3-4 times. First few times we had knock-down-drag-out fights (both of us town). She always seems scummy to me. However, pressuring her doesn't seem to help me read her. We just piss each other off and fight to the death. So I've been trying to find a gentler approach since the other one wasn't working. I'm not sure I really know how to read her yet... but I will say that her meta is that she gets lynched a lot.Pie_is_good wrote:I'm also having a hard time getting a handle on Starbuck. She lurked through most of yesterday on the pretense of "people are being mean to each other on the internet," and then today posted fairly uninformatively and then went all gung-ho on the lurkers. Under normal circumstances I would find this scummy, but I realize it could just be a Starbuck meta. Anyone played with her before?
Also she definitely has a thing about "people being mean to each other on the internet" and says that in all games. This isn't something new that she's using as an excuse.Talk nerdy to me.
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Hmm, I don't know if I've ever seen her go off on lurkers before. Not that I can recall? I'll look at her posts more in depth in a moment to see if I have any other comments to make about her.Talk nerdy to me.
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Not really a fan of wolf saying he thinks manho is scummy but he thinks some of the votes on manho are scummier.wolframnhart wrote:Ok so I had time to go over what I missed and again am sorry about the lack of posting, I might have to modify my Sig and put it as "Iffy playtime late friday to late monday" but hopefully not.
Anyways. Looking at manho I can see people's problem with him. He does dig himself into holes for one, and posts like these:
Are just Lawls and *facepalm*smanho wrote:i think i've missed pie's case on me?
Pie has posted her case/reason to vote him already:
Not sure how he missed that. Problem is that with the votes going on manho I can't help but wonder about some of the votes on him, especially when I see this:Manho wrote:Why isn't manho dead yet? Literally half the content he's posted has been some variation on "Tate quoted the role PM!!!!!!," which a) happened early on page 1, and b) was originally brought up by someone else (Zazie). That's both forced AND a form of active lurking.
No real reasoning why he thinks manho is scummiest, and over Yos and Pie? Pie was the one telling people to vote manho, so if bv310 has some doubt over Pie why vote her way? Now true Ani voted before Bv310 and didn't give a reason other then "sure"bv310 wrote:Read over what I missed. Thinking manho is the scummiest, but not by much over Yos and Pie.
Vote: Manho
but Bv310 has stated he read over it, but is not posting any type of "why I think manho is scum" thoughts and is following someone that apparently he thinks is just slightly scummy under the person he is voting, which does not seem to make much sense to me.
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Honestly, I did the same thing as manho is describing. But there's no reason to expect everyone to do the same. And it's a really bad reason to vote a person. It's way too subjective.manho wrote:
a townie will read his own role pm, but they don't need to read every wordin the pm, and they probably won't. for example, i open the pm, see the word townie bolded in the first line, and then close it. the last line of the pm is always the same in almost every game, regarding your own alignment. so it didn't make much sence for a townie to read his own role pm word-by-word, and remember the word "zombie lord" so hard and then use it in his first post.iLord wrote:
I don't even know what to say to this. Are you asking me why a townie would read his own role PM?manho wrote:but why would a townie refer to his own role pm? i doesn't make sence.
Manho, I still want you to make a scum list and tell us who you think is scum. I get better reads on a person when they are scum hunting rather than just responding to attacks. I see you are voting iLord. That doesn't make much sense to me.Talk nerdy to me.
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Reckoner's CMAR vote makes me dislike mine...
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I've played with him before and he's usually much more on-point than this game. And his reason for voting manho seemed like the wrong reason to vote manho.
Manho wasn't really lynched just for being a luker. It was his faulty logic with the sample PM stuff, and his failure to do anything else all game. The fact that diamond doesn't get this but votes manho anyway makes me think dianmond was just being opportunistic and getting onto whatever wagon was going.diamond wrote:Hey, sorry for not posting for a while. I'm ok with a lurker lynch. Unvote, Vote: Manho .Talk nerdy to me.
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I never voted BV... you must be thinking of someone else.Starbuck wrote:I find it odd that Elvis (who was the sudden force behind the bv wagon) just backed off it.Talk nerdy to me.
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He's dead but ongoing. However, I think someone said he always plays like this.
This is not to say he won't be scum sometimes, or that I think he should get a free pass. I'd just rather spend my time going after a person who might actually have some readable scumtells, and if flips scum will yield info.Talk nerdy to me.
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I believe Evilsnail. If this is a gambit then he's dying next. Scum don't usually do the 1-for-1, so I doubt evilsnail is gambitting.
Also, kmd flipped deputy, iirc. Evilsnail claiming sheriff fits with that flavor. Cop doesn't. And Reck claimed cop. Also, worst case scenario if reck is actually the cop is we get two confirmed town in bv and oddin.
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Dude, evilsnail is claiming that you targetted kmd (who died) N1, and you're saying you targetted bv.
There's a problem there.
Not only does the info not match, but he's saying you targetted the guy who died.Talk nerdy to me.
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Okay, maybe I am just slow here, but where does it say that when cult tries to recruit a PR, the PR dies?
Do we know we only have a cult? Do we have a mafia also? Maybe the mafia is doing the killing and the cult has been recruiting each night? Or maybe it's an SK or VIG doing the killing. How did we get into this assumption that the kills have resulted from recruitment attempts?
The other times I have played cult games, I have never seen a mechanic where the cult tries to recruit and if it's a PR, the PR dies. So, if there's some precedent for this, I haven't ever seen it.Talk nerdy to me.
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I went back and read reckoner's reaction to McGriddle claiming cop. Reck asked how McGriddle's investigation results would be given to him.
Reck... if you're the cop, why would you ask that of McGriddle? Did you think there might be another cop in the game?Talk nerdy to me.
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I work at home and frequently procrastinate with mafia. It varies when I'm online. I've been scaling back my games lately.SlySly wrote:EK, what is your weekday schedule say between site time Noon to 6pm? Not asking for extremely specific details, look more for something like, "I'm a stay at home mom" or "I have a full time job" or "I'm free all day usually."Talk nerdy to me.
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I thought McGriddle was scum because he fake claimed cop and I have seen him be entirely ridiculous as scum before. The game I played with him got abandoned, so I can link you to it now:SlySly wrote:
Ok, tyvm btw, let's take a look back at Mar. 9th, a Tuesday, and review what you said...elvis_knits wrote:
I work at home and frequently procrastinate with mafia. It varies when I'm online. I've been scaling back my games lately.SlySly wrote:EK, what is your weekday schedule say between site time Noon to 6pm? Not asking for extremely specific details, look more for something like, "I'm a stay at home mom" or "I have a full time job" or "I'm free all day usually."
Five hours later, had you foregone your work for the day and finished reading the remaining 22 pages of the thread when you put now confirmed townie McG at L-1 or did you feel some scummy drive to push a mislynch to the edge of its completion before becoming completely informed by an entire read of the thread? It seems a little unlike you to want to rush a day and to put someone on the fryer for no more than newb card meta and I find it a little scummy.elvis_knits, Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 12:29 pm, wrote:I started reading, got through only about 6-7 pages. The good thing is there doesn't seem to be too many wall posts, so it's not a bad read. I'm still letting it sink in and not sure what I think as an overall picture (also since I haven't read too much yet). I also looked up the cases on McGriddle and Tate, and they both seem to be lynch-worthy. Reckoner, less so.
So... I know this post isn't super-helpful but I just wanted to let you know I am on my way.
elvis_knits, Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:23 pm, wrote:I have totally seen McGriddle play the dumb newb card before. And it was LIES!
unvote; vote McGriddle
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 95&start=0
In that game he made a number of similar moves, fake claiming and telling us changing stories. In the game I'm linking you to, he tried to claim a role, then claim another role, then say he's not sure what role he has, and can't find out since he deletes role pm's immediately upon reading them so that nobody can hack into his account and read them.
So, his play here seemed eerily similar to me, and his claim looked fake. So I voted him without reading the entire game. Also, I seem to remember a deadline looming. But I didn't seem much reason to draw that kind of thing out anyway. Fake claims usually mean scum. I'm not going to let that slide when the odds are high that a fake claimer is scum.Talk nerdy to me.
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I don't know how anyone got a townie feel from McG either, but I wasn't sure if I am biased because of what I've seen of him.SlySly wrote:
I get the feeling that is exactly the case with your end of D1 nostradamus-like prophecy of McG's alignment. I think it is scummy that you took the time to make a self-proclaimed first time of "building a case to show the dead townie was giving off town reads." I think as town, you, in particular, would do a simple "*shrug*, I was wrong" and get back to the business of scumhunting. Even at your prophetic announcement, you still expressed you were still okay with lynching the dumb townie.iLord wrote:
You'd have to be scum to know that said dumb player is dumb townie.SlySly wrote:I agree. Do you agree that it is scummy to push the lynch of a dumb townie as opposed to looking for scum?
Can you remind me of what your case that manho was scum was all about on D1?Talk nerdy to me.
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I want to go back and look because I think more than one person said similar things as iLord, that they thought it was obv McG was town.SlySly wrote:Gotcha, I think I focused on the 2nd half of your statement and the fact that you were on that wagon. Your agreement is noted.
I didn't like that at the time but haven't gone after it because I don't know how biased I am about McG.Talk nerdy to me.
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Because I really didn't think he was a cop.SlySly wrote:
Can you please explain why you didn't remove your McG vote while calling for caution against lynching him as a claimed cop?elvis_knits wrote: I suppose we should be careful and not lynch a possible cop, but I really, really don't believe McGriddle.Talk nerdy to me.
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I thought he just had the one typo when explaining for a second or third time. I didn't think there was such a problem with the claim. I think he was trying not claim his role, only the info, which resulted in the claim coming out slower. School me if I am wrong.Starbuck wrote:The whole thing that bothers me about Reck's and evil's claims is that it took evil so many times of posting to get it correct. Reck claimed on the spot, no problem.
It's basically right now just evil saying "OMG! Reck lied!" and that's it. There's no other evidence other than that.
Evil's claimed role is a little out of the ordinary -- he says he targets somebody and finds out who they targetted on the previous night (I think). This is sort of like a delayed tracker, which is a little weird. But his reasoning that the sheriff questions people seems to work flavor-wise for me. Seem possible.
One of the reasons I believe Evilsnail is because he didn't have to claim info on reck. If he's scum, it would be much safer to just keep his head down and play the game... but he stuck his neck out to get reck lynched. And if Reck is town we lynch evilsnail next. What kind of a scum does that? Evilsnail wasn't even suspected as far as I remember. Why sacrifice yourself?Talk nerdy to me.
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I don't careSlySly wrote:I found this twilight approval of the McG lynch highly uncharacteristic of you. Just doesn't seem to be your usual style.
elvis_knits wrote:Good
So you think that I pushed for Yos's lynch all day and then tried to recruit him? Like pre-bussed Yos and then tried ot make him my buddy?Sly wrote: Pushing McG on D1 for newb card meta, Yos(another dead now confirmed townie) for jokes on D2. Seems suspicious to me.
elvis_knits wrote:When I read the little of this game I read, I thought Yos's early "jokes" came off a little forced. He tried to get support for some wagon (cooldog?) by quoting himself and being like "I agree with Yosarian2" and "Yos makes a really good point there." Which seemed weird to be becuase hardly anyone else was joking around, they were all talking about the sample PM thing which Yos studiously ignored. Jokes>content=scummy
Let's wagon him!
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evilsnail wrote:I have info that says xReck is scum. I won't reveal what this is yet, but xReck needs to claim in his next post.evilsnail wrote:xReck is lying. He targetted Kmd Night 1. That is the info I have. I was hoping to catch him in a lie by getting him to claim.
Vote: xReckonerxevilsnail wrote:I never said I had the results yesterday either. I'll elaborate, if necessary, but I'd prefer to say as little as possible about the details of my ability.
(This is the typo post... but when read in relation to everything else and what he is claiming his ability is, it's obvious that he is claiming he found out N2 that reck targetted kmd N1. )evilsnail wrote:Okay, fine. My ability allows me to determine who a player targetted the night before. That's why I don't have a useful N1 result and why I only found today that xReck targetted Kmd N2.Talk nerdy to me.
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Sly, you just replaced in, so saying you haven't been pushing dead townies... it would be impossible for you to have done so since you weren't here. It doesn't mean you've done something awesome while the rest of us have been sucking.SlySly wrote:I sense someone getting a little defensive. I'm not one of the one's who has been pushing for the death of now confirmed townies since D1 of this game, you are. I am trying to figure out the whys of such behavior from more than one person in this game.
Plus, you're throwing garbage at me. Your arguments against me seem to be:
1)My approval of the McG lynch was "out of character" (BS WIFOM)
2)I attacked people who flipped town (like nobody else has done that? If the cult hasn't even recruited anyone yet, the cult is probably really tiny, so our odds of hitting town are high).
No. And stop fishing.Sly wrote: I do have one more thing to ask of you on this topic though...
Do you have some inside information on the night actions of the zombies that lead to your asking of this?
elvis_knits wrote:Maybe Yos died protecting somebody?Talk nerdy to me.
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O RLY?SlySly wrote:Not only defensive, also a little nasty.
F U with your "voting for a now confirmed townie"
That's so misleading.
It makes it sound like Yos was confirmed townie yesterday, which he was not.
People vote for people who flip town all the time and it doesn't make them scum.
I have some news for you Mr. Sly.
Defensiveness is not a scum tell. When you attack a person, they have to defend themselves. When your attacks are consistently WIFOM crap, it might get a little annoying.
Also, I am sick to death of your stupid noting.
You know what I'm noting about you? Your refusal to tell me why a scum evilsnail would sacrifice himself to get reckoner lynched.
YOUR DEFENSE OF RECKONER IS NOTED.Talk nerdy to me.
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