ZOMBIES! - Zombies take over for the win!!!

[Starbuck]

Vote: ABR

Because it's been too long since we played

[Starbuck]

Vote: Starbuck

This isn't a scolding or lashing. It's a love tap.

<3


LAWL @ CryMeARiver

Zazier has one post, what is Kort's tell that has to do with one post in RVS?

Have you ever played with ZazieR?

ZazieR normally has at least 80% of all game posts that he's in.

[Starbuck]

(And Starbuck, as stated before, I'm not that bad anymore >.< It was one of my teener phases...)

Time will tell

[Starbuck]

@WRP - Have you played one a Newbie game yet? If not, I suggest you sign up for one. You can learn a lot about the playstyle of MS.

Hmm, game not going as fast as I thought it would....

I disagree with those voting CD for the moment. His scum tell as you would call it, is what he tends to do in every game.

How fast should it be going?

Also, do you have a links to every (or close to every) game that he's done this in? Since you claim he does do this in every game. I've never played with CooLDoG, and since you are the one coming to his defense here, I expect you to give examples.

Also to note refering to the role SAMPLE (note in caps) in a closed game is a scum tell.

How so?

@tate, uhhh check your inbox and see if you got a role pm, I am pretty sure it says somthing along the same lines as that. And the point of the RVS is to vote for a player, not for a role, or for a funny sounding name which is not in the game. I think that it is best not to vote at all if you want to do somthing like voteing for zombie lords. Also why do you seem slightly edgey in your last post?

Tate's Zombie Lord vote was very obviously a joke. What's with your overreaction to it here?

You add onto this in Post 81 with, imho, a very opportunistic vote. You seem to wait until someone else (i.e. bv310) agrees with you before making your vote.

Unvote

Vote: CooLDoG

@KMD - Why vote Reck? Any reasoning? Also, why would you be willing to vote evilsnail?



@manho - Any reasoning to your vote on Tate?



@MrSuave - Are you just going to post fluff all game? Or will you actually actively contribute?

[Starbuck]

If you are going to refer to a game that the role PM changed, then you must provide a link. You saying it and NOT providing a link makes the whole thing null in my eyes and thus a distraction.

However basing a joke off of a role pm and making that joke imply some other things is not as much a joke any more is it?

I don't know if it's just me, but I have no idea what you are saying here.

[Starbuck]

I believe you have the potential to be very good at what you do. I hate to see you waste it with fluff.

[Starbuck]

OMG! Look at ZazieR condensing!

I'm very proud.

[Starbuck]

Sorry about my lack of posting the last day or so, internet went down around this time last night and didn't come back up til late this afternoon.


Welcome Animo, it seems like you caught the disease that ZazieR had. Psst, condensing is FTW!

I haven't played any newbie games here, only elsewhere, but here the playstile seems so... fast... 3 pages per day...

See I feel the opposite. I started playing on a site that 1 real day = 1 game day. This is pretty slow for me.



@McGriddle - Why do you feel that you would get in trouble for not voting? Also, you seem to be rather argumentative. Why not just read the game and give some opinions rather than let everyone else do the work for you? If you are town, you could possibly bring something to the table that none of us had thought of yet.

On iLord

CooLDoG is dumb, not scum. I'm sure we're all well acquainted with the type.

Your insult does not go by unnoted. Please refer to the site rules before you blatantly insult any player.

for referring to the sample pm.

Congrats on Zazier for catching our second scum! :hifive:

That wasn't ZazieR, that was me.

On KMD

Starbuck, I voted Reck because he is scummy. Evilsnail is scummy too.

Why are they scummy? Saying someone or someones are scummy without providing reasoning is scummy.

How does any of Post 163 make sense?

[Starbuck]

Wow.

That's helpful

Touche.

[Starbuck]

Your insult does not go by unnoted. Please refer to the site rules before you blatantly insult any player.

I was actually going for assonance there, but I don't see how "dumb" is any more insulting than "village idiot."

Why not explain how this insult affects your read of me?

That wasn't ZazieR, that was me.

No, I'm pretty positive that this is Zazie's handiwork you're trying to take credit for.

1. I don't like ad hom and I don't like insults (especially when they are against the rules of MS). You called CoolDog dumb, that's an insult.

2. Manho voted and didn't give a reason. I asked manho what his reason was and he gave that answer. That had nothing to do with ZazieR.

[Starbuck]

Are you seriously playing 20 questions with me because I asked you not to insult people?

[Starbuck]

1. No
2. Because I took your tone as being rude and mean
3. Yes


Can we move on from this distraction yet?

[Starbuck]

Calling someone dumb = personal attack, thus ad hom

[Starbuck]

Calling someone dumb = personal attack, thus ad hom

Starbuck, it's not ad hom to say "I don't think person X is scum, I think he's dumb town".

It's also not at all against site rules used in this way. It was jeep who coined the phrase "Is he dumb, or is he scum". It's a perfectly valid part of the game, since it's so important to figure out the motivations for a person's acts.

But he didn't say he was "dumb town", he said....

CooLDoG is dumb, not scum. I'm sure we're all well acquainted with the type.

[Starbuck]

Btw, it's not circumstantial ad hom, it's abusive ad hom imho.

Right from the page that iLord linked...

Abusive: An attack on the character or other personal qualities of the opponent. An example: "I'm not going to listen to anything you say because you're stupid."

Anyways, done with this distracting topic.

A. WTH is a cult game B. I figured there were only 2 scum because every game I have been in has had 2 scum, and C. You think EVERYTHING is a slip.

About B, how many games have you played on this site?

You do realize that the number of scum scales with the number of players because there's a little thing called balance.

[Starbuck]

CD, what's with you talking down to me in Post 311?

Get with the program Starbuck, you're on THE INTERNET. Where every troll is posting vulgarity from the safety of their mother's basements. This isn't the first time I see you tripping because of a little verbosity; if you're not happy ask for replacement, don't waste our time.

The first time was a Roccisi Winter and that person did get banned btw.

Get over yourself. Plain and simple.

I won't sit to the side if I feel if someone is being insulted, which is how I felt about that. No matter what CD's explanation was.

Really? I don't want a modkill - I"m just saying it's blatantly a modkillable offense. OH NO I'M FOLLOWING RULES AHHHH I'M SCUM

You usually are.








McGriddle's overreaction and taunting of Reck is a little over the top for me.

Unvote, Vote: McGriddle

[Starbuck]

I've been hanging back due to the amount of hostility I've felt in the thread lately.

On CooLDoG

Starbuck, the only reason I talked down to you was because I didn't want you making up my mind if he offended me or not. And also Some people like to "insight" other to maybe get a scum slip thats all. You seem pro-town to me btw...

So you are assuming that the reason that I even mentioned that is because you felt I was making up your mind?

No, I was reminding him of site rules.

Please note, that you are the one reading far more into this than what needs to be.


Overreaction much?


Post 498 is nothing but you taunting and berating Reck. Please throttle back.

D) Play nice.....(not major, just a,b, and c should do it.)

You could really use taking some of your own advice.

FOS: CooLDoG

For the continued distracting push of this situation




Not many of you have played with Reck before have you? He's not playing his scum meta here. Everyone jumped on him for his "modkillable offense" comment, but weren't there others that said worse about that situation?

[Starbuck]

Welcome Cougar (aka EK)! <3

On CooLDoG

@starbuck, if you are looking at whom is playing nicest and so forth, and finding that a person who plays the meanest is scum why is your vote not one reck? BTW that whole issue is over I don't really care about people calling me a VI is that a scum tell?

Again, here you go not reading again.

From Starbuck's Post 539:

Not many of you have played with Reck before have you?

He's not playing his scum meta here.

[/size] Everyone jumped on him for his "modkillable offense" comment, but weren't there others that said worse about that situation?

Mod - Posts like this from CooLDoG is the reason why I'm staying away from the thread. If he doesn't throttle back soon, I'm also going to be asking for replacement.

There is absolutely no reason for how rude and abusive he is being

On KMD

Not many of you have played with Reck before have you? He's not playing his scum meta here. Everyone jumped on him for his "modkillable offense" comment, but weren't there others that said worse about that situation?

I jumped on him before that.

This I know. I shouldn't have used the word "everyone".

On tatetothetot

I think you are just being immature and unhelpful by refusing.

On CryMeaRiver

Mcgriddle: Respond to my ISO read of you and claim

Umm, wtf? I don't even think the guy is anywhere near L-1.

What's with the blatant pressure and rolefishing?

On ODDin

McG is scummy, but I'm more willing to let it pass as general newbiness/VIness

I'm not comfortable with you giving McG, more or less, a free pass.

FOS: ODDin

[Starbuck]

On CryMeaRiver

Mcgriddle: Respond to my ISO read of you and claim

Umm, wtf? I don't even think the guy is anywhere near L-1.

What's with the blatant pressure and rolefishing?

Im pretty sure I already stated that I mixed it up with a game (Behind the Scenes Mafia) where it took 7 to lynch...

Attention to detail is ftw

[Starbuck]

It's how you are phrasing things. Cussing people out and being abusive and nasty is NOT a rule on MS.

Reck knows better too. If I was anywhere near him, I'd slap him, but he'd probably enjoy it.

[Starbuck]

Diamond, that's a really good catch.

[Starbuck]

You saying and underlining, thus emphasizing, that last sentence doesn't really bode well, imho.

[Starbuck]

You saying and underlining, thus emphasizing, that last sentence doesn't really bode well, imho.

Indeed, underlining is totally scummy.

Way to misrepresent what I meant.

[Starbuck]

Actually he was a Deputy, he didn't even know he was a cop. I doubt that my prowess extends to guessing someone's role if they themselves are not informed of it.

You don't know if he knew or not. That's WIFOM right there.

Just because the Wiki page says it, doesn't mean that the mod made it that way.

[Starbuck]

Well, explain to me then why emphasising something is scummy. Convince me that it wasn't you creating a reason to jump on that wagon.

Wow . Way to misrepresent me AGAIN.

Where did I say that emphasizing was scummy? It would be awesome if you could point that out, rather than putting words in my mouth.


This is the original sentence in question...

The fact that he was a cop has no bearing on my question of if he was a daycop.

It was the tense and tone of this sentence and his emphasising of it that doesn't bode well. It's like he's trying to put into everyone's minds that the above is FACT. When we really don't know if it's fact or not.

[Starbuck]

I would definitely feel that ABR is more likely to do it as scum. He's trying to shift focus off himself.

My whole point in this is that what he said may or may not be fact. We don't know. Therefore, it is WIFOM and ABR stating it like it is fact is scummy.

[Starbuck]

Also snail, I'm getting the aura of you subtly defending ABR.

Why so quick to jump to his aid?

[Starbuck]

Throughout all of Day 1, the only time you ever mention is ABR is here with the following...

@ABR: Cool, you can be my nemesis.

Now in a flash, you are coming to his aid. I've played with ABR quite a bit and I am very well sure of the fact that he doesn't need his own defender.


You HAVE stated that his wagon is crap, but why is it crap exactly? Instead of giving a reason why, you just sit here and keep repeating that "his wagon is bad" or "his wagon is crap".


I also feel that you are overreacting. ABR has TWO VOTES.

Two votes DOES NOT EQUAL a wagon.

[Starbuck]

I completely get the votes on Tate due to his not answering and what not, but that wagon built up over the course of a few hours and it's chock full of opportunism.

[Starbuck]

Why do you so easily brush off the fact that KMD flipped Deputy?

[Starbuck]

I said that KMD turning up deputy is insignificant.

[Starbuck]

Unvote, vote Reckoner

Scummier than Diamondilium, yet not smart enough to know which string to pull to close the red curtains. But scummier nonetheless.

Do you have an actual case? Or only the above?

[Starbuck]

@yos, no one else seems to be looking at the night and what happened. Most of the time (at least in mininormlas, what I play most...) I like to understand what happened at night...

No one looks at it because it's WIFOM. You sitting here openly speculating on it is quite bothersome, and I'm not sure why you would pull the spotlight on yourself in this manner.

[Starbuck]

Hello Everyone. Spring break and all so been busy past few days. I have a few basic questions but it seems rude for me to ask things before answering so... I am going to open myself up real quick. Whats new?

P.S> Don't expect me to use quotes for everything you write.

Why don't you contribute something useful?

That'd be a start.

[Starbuck]

Also..

FOS: ABR

and

Vote: evilsnail

for his white knighting of ABR.

[Starbuck]

@starbuck... Would you rather not know if someone flips scum or town at the end of the night? or would you rather not know if anyone was killed?

This really doesn't make sense.

[Starbuck]

Little to no reads on Day 2? That's why you need to re-read.

Unvote
Vote: Tate

[Starbuck]

I think via that last post that we just need to lynch tate and get rid of the distraction.

[Starbuck]

Why would you join a game and purposely play like tate did?

/sigh

[Starbuck]

Now that we have someone who is going to contribute and not be uncooperative,

Unvote

And I'm putting my vote back on

Vote: evilsnail

[Starbuck]

Replacing out for someone with tate's personality is not indicative of alignment.

QFT

[Starbuck]

I was voting tate simply because he wasn't answering questions. Especially since he replaced out, this is very strongly indicating its a personality thing, and that tate would rather screw over the mod and players than suck it up and answer whatever the town asked. Regardless, if you adopt the same stance (Which I'm almost positive you won't), you'll find our votes returning most quickly.

So you didn't actually think Tate was scum, you were just voting for him because you didn't like him?

This is a complete misrepresentation of the entire Tate situation.

Pie, I really think you need to read Tate in iso or just catch up on the game period. We were asking tate to answer questions and contribute to the game and he flat out said no. That's when I moved my vote to him.

He was becoming a huge distraction and you are now adding to that distraction by jumping into the middle of the game and not really knowing what's going on.

[Starbuck]

That's not much of a case imho because he posted on the last page.

[Starbuck]

Not last page, page 37, but he posted yesterday.

[Starbuck]

No, you are just going to continue to tunnel on Reck as you have done from the very beginning of this game.

[Starbuck]

Here is our player list...

Player list

1.

Wolframnhart

2.

CryMeARiver

5.

ODDin

6.

animorpherv1

McZombie

7.

MrSuave

8.

CooLDoG

9.

Starbuck

10.

bv310

11.

elvis_knits

ZazieR

12.

xRECKONERx

13.

Nobody Special

Dr.Cyanide

WRP_Beater

14.

Pie_is_good

tatetothetot

15.

Albert B. Rampage

16.

evilsnail

17.

iLord

18.

manho

19.

Yosarian2

20.

Diamondilium

Since the start of day we have heard from the following for...

(Listed in most posts to least posts with additional notes from myself)

Starbuck - (25 posts) I know my Day 1 activity was horrid, now that things have died down a bit in real life. I'm back and scumhunting.
ABR - (25 posts) Not sure how I feel about him yet. I wasn't comfortable with how evil immediately came to his defense, and how ABR hasn't really responded to anything I said concerning himself.
ODDin - (17 posts) Scumhunting hence no qualms from me
iLord - (13 posts) Scumhunting no qualms from me
evilsnail (12 posts) I'm not comfortable with his almost immediate white knighting of ABR.
CooLDoG - (8 posts) Doesn't really make a lot of sense most of the time. I'm not sure if he's floundering scum already or if he's still playing the newbie card.
bv310 - (7 posts) his only posts of today were immediately bandwagoning tate at the start of day and unvoting tate after he was replaced, as well as more continued talk about tate. He's not scumhunting, and is a hindrance.
Wolf - (7 posts) Posting little, but posting substance.
Pie - (6 posts) Not caught up yet, jumped in the middle of the game without really knowing what's going on
Reck - (6 posts) ABR does have one point that I agree with about Reck. He's not scumhunting. Get into the game, Will.
Animo - (5 posts) Barely contributing, doing his normal active lurker meta, but it doesn't mean that I like it.
Elvis - (5 posts) Not talkative like she normally is as town. I know she can bring valuable insight to the game, and I'm wondering when that's going to start or if it will.
Yosarian2 - (5 posts) Doesn't post a lot, but at least posts substance when he does post.
CryMeARiver - (4 posts) His only posts of today were immediately bandwagoning tate at the start of day, LoLing at something, Unvoting tate after he was replaced, and something else. He's not scumhunting, but being a hindrance.
Nobody Special - (4 posts) Not caught up yet
Diamond - (3 posts) Has less posts than the replacee's! Starts up a good case on ABR, but then suddenly abandons it (more down below about this).
manho - (3 posts) Has less posts than the replacee's! Just overall unhelpful.



We have not heard from MrSuave AT ALL since the start of Day.

Mod: Please prod MrSuave

So after all of this, I would like more contribution from MrSuave and anyone 10 posts or below.

Of all of these posts since the start of day, this is what has happened that I have found suspicious

In a quick succession after the NK writeup, we have ODDin, animo, iLord, CryMeARiver, and bv310 all voting for tate. In the sense of opportunism, I feel that animo, CryMeARiver and BV were all being opportunists with this quickwagon.

Diamondilium votes ABR, but then doesn't really add anything back to the conversation, and lets me do all the dirty work concerning that.

ODDin unvotes tate and votes bv310 for continuing his active lurking, but he doesn't bother to mention the other active lurkers that voted for tate such as CryMeaRiver or animo, or even the other active lurkers in general.

Reckoner jumps in with a vote on ABR, but adds nothing of his own to the case.

Evilsnail jumps in with a fake vote on ABR before switching to iLord. He accuses iLord of

...somehow figuring out McGriddle was lying town when this was totally not obvious

,
but doesn't provide any evidence other than his word.

ABR votes Diamond here because

Why is evilsnail getting into so much trouble because he doesn't want to lynch me? That's not normal and I can't help but think that someone is pulling the strings here.

, but then 3 posts later he switches to Reck because

Scummier than Diamondilium, yet not smart enough to know which string to pull to close the red curtains. But scummier nonetheless.

In the stream of unvotes after Tate is replaced, Diamond sneaks in an Unvote of ABR because all of a sudden he now finds ABR's explanations satisfactory. I'm not sure if anyone else got this feeling, but I felt that it was like a scum buddy starting to try and distance and then stopping.

[Starbuck]

Less fluff, more catching up, kthnx.

[Starbuck]

You need to contribute once you are completely caught up.

Do that, and I'll leave that fact alone.

[Starbuck]

Yes, I did go and look at every post. I had a tally sheet that I kept. I can scan it and post it for you, if you need that too.

I would rather replace lurkers than lynch them.

I think you are just voting Reck due to all the personal crap that happened yesterday. You are falling into tunnel vision. Who else do you find suspicious?

[Starbuck]

@Nobody Special - You said you've read the thread. Do you have cases to make on anyone?

@starbuck, I didn't attack you and don't need post info. Also my vote is not on personal attacks or anything of that nature. My vote is on responding bad under press, and lurking. I don't count lurking by it self as a scum tell, however lurking right after a wagon starts is a bit scummy to me.

1. Where did I say that you attacked me? What's with the overreaction?

2. What response of Reck's did you consider "responding bad under press"?

3. So you are also voting Reck for lurking, but are giving a free pass to MrSuave AND Animo AND CryMeaRiver AND Diamond AND manho? You are being a hypocrite, sir.

Unvote: evilsnail
Vote: CooLDoG

[Starbuck]

You linked me to a page, not specific anything.

Again...


1. Where did I say that you attacked me? What's with the overreaction?

2. What response of Reck's did you consider "responding bad under press"?

Specifics help.

[Starbuck]

I actually had a lot going on during Day 1 due to work (I'm military) and other things, unfortunately this impacted all of my current games at the time. Normally though, I'm very active in all of my games.

This can be backed up by a number of people in this game.

[Starbuck]

It's not really a "people being mean on the internet" thing, but more of a "don't be a fucking douchebag" thing.

[Starbuck]

I don't feel I was angry.

I was trying to make a point about activity. Our game could be a lot better if those 6 or 7 people could get off their asses and contribute.

[Starbuck]

Not really.

[Starbuck]

Lawlz, quit trying to be argumentative.

[Starbuck]

So why the sudden push on manho?

I'm also curious as to animo and bv's sudden votes. All today it seems that they can't not vote together.

[Starbuck]

So why the sudden push on manho?

I'm a little confused; Pie has been pushing for manho to be lynched since he replaced in. What's so "sudden" about it?

I wasn't meaning just Pie. I was meaning his bandwagon.

A couple people hopped quite quickly onto it.

[Starbuck]

"His bandwagon" = Manho's bandwagon


How quickly you both are to misrepresent what I meant, instead of asking me for clarification.

[Starbuck]

Animo and BV. Have you noticed today that they have been voting for the same people consecutively?

[Starbuck]

okay, after reading up a few long pages... I have come to a new rea;ization. From everyones posts, I have found someone else I wish to vote for...

unvote

. He keeps digging himself into a ditch and once he reaches bed-rock, he keeps digging. His posts are scummy, he only talks about one thing. He lurked away more the half the day, and I don't think has posted any content. I also have trouble understanding his meaning and what he is posting aout

[drum-roll plz]

vote: manho

[/end-drum-role]

I don't like him very much, all he talks about is day-1. His defence is very week, he defends by talking about games on another site. He agrivates me, and is far more scummy then reck.

My biggest problem with the above post are the following words.

From everyones posts

Also, for someone who's been pushing continuously on Reck since yesterday, this feels like an opportunistic jump.

[Starbuck]

The reason why I'm skeptic of a manho lynch is because he's playing as he normally does.

I've played in other games with MrSuave where he did post fluff, but he did participate A LOT more than what he's doing here. If it's down to those two for a lynch, I'd rather MrSuave than manho.

[Starbuck]

You know, Will, I'm about to start ranking you with the likes of MrSuave.

[Starbuck]

Will = Reck



And Reck is playing his "I don't really give a fuck" game.

[Starbuck]

Lawl, he wants to lynch me in every game. Its a null tell. I promise.

[Starbuck]

Well that's ironic, a lurker being ok with a lurker lynch.

[Starbuck]

I really don't know why ABR hates me so.

Because I really don't hate him.

[Starbuck]

I don't feel I have a negative vibe though. As I said, I just don't like people who go out of their way to be douchebags.


/saddface

[Starbuck]

So manho, what's your case on Cool?

[Starbuck]

Cool, I'd appreciate if you let my questions that are based at others be answered by them and not your opinion.

[Starbuck]

So Reck, how am I playing carefully? Care to provide examples?

[Starbuck]

FOS: Nobody Special

for his completely un-contributing posts

[Starbuck]

Mod: CryMeARiver was in another game that I am in and it was informed there that he is not allowed to be in any games due to him being banned by mith here

[Starbuck]

farside's a ma'am.

As is Starbuck, but it's not like anyone looks at those little gender symbols.

[Starbuck]

manho, you need to roleclaim in your next post.

This.

I'd like to add that you need to post your case on CooL as well.

[Starbuck]

You've claimed, now case on CD?

[Starbuck]

Unvote
Vote: manho

Normally, you are more contributory than this when you are town and are at least scumhunting.

[Starbuck]

Scum in my opinion would not claim VT when at L2 as this does not save them.

Then tell us, what would scum claim if not VT?

I'm never played with/read manho before, so I can't talk about the actual reason, by why are you voting so late? manho hasn't been scumhunting for a while.

I'm voting so late because I have experience with manho in multiple games. Sometimes he does pull that kind of thing at the beginning, but will come in late in the day with some sort of scumhunting. I've asked him repeatedly for a case on CooL and he refuses. I'm all for giving people chances, but manho, imho, isn't playing his town meta. At this point, he's a hindrance to the town and we should get rid of him.

[Starbuck]

Reck, what's with the sudden want to build cases and scumhunt? When you basically just posted nothing but fluff yesterday?

[Starbuck]

I find it odd that Elvis (who was the sudden force behind the bv wagon) just backed off it.

[Starbuck]

That's my fault. I need to stop playing games at the same time with the same people.

[Starbuck]

Wow, wtf?

Why did you just claim, Reck?


I'm confused.

[Starbuck]

Evil was the one who was white knighting ABR yesterday. I am definitely feeling a link between evil and ABR now. This feels like an elaborate gambit.

[Starbuck]

Animo, go back and read the beginning of Day 2. It's quite a lot to link.

[Starbuck]

LAWL @ CryMeARiver linking the Wiki for animo

[Starbuck]

Nvm, wasn't the Wiki, but my point is that animo knows what "white knighting" is. He wanted to know where it occurred, not what it was.

[Starbuck]

As I said, start reading from the beginning of Day 2 and you will see where ABR came under fire and how evilsnail felt it was his right to defend ABR (thus whiteknighting). If you two were around instead of lurking yesterday, you would have seen this and we wouldn't be going through this now.

[Starbuck]

@ABR: I never claimed to be a Tracker. I have a different type of ability.
@ODDin: This is the only useful info I have.

Also, I really think we need to be lynching xReck today. The reason I didn't keep this information to myself was that we're in a cult game and it pays to lynch scum as early as possible.

That was not the question. The question was why did you wait until now to tell us the information if you had the results yesterday?

And to add onto to that question, if it pays to lynch scum early as possible why did you not announce this yesterday, thus saving us from mislynching manho?

[Starbuck]

I never said I had the results yesterday either. I'll elaborate, if necessary, but I'd prefer to say as little as possible about the details of my ability.

Unless you have knowledge that outting the specifics of your role would hurt either town or your role, I suggest you tell us.

For once, I agree with CMAR.


Reck claimed with no issue. I suggest that you do the same.

[Starbuck]

Okay, fine. My ability allows me to determine who a player targetted the night before. That's why I don't have a useful N1 result and why I only found today that xReck targetted Kmd N2.

So you still have no idea whether or not he is scum, only who he targeted.

That's not good enough to lynch him for me.



Reck, who'd you target N2?

[Starbuck]

I was asking who Reck targetted again to see if his answer would change.

Way to blow things out of proportion guys.

[Starbuck]

Okay, fine. My ability allows me to determine who a player targetted the night before. That's why I don't have a useful N1 result and why

I only found today that xReck targetted Kmd N2.

This is what evil originally said.



NIGHT 2, NOT NIGHT 1.

[Starbuck]

Evil seriously is playing a gambit. I went back through the past few pages because they went by so fast. Here is what I found...

Evil says in Post 1302 that...

I have info that says xReck is scum. I won't reveal what this is yet, but xReck needs to claim in his next post.

Reck claims in Post 1305. He says...

I'm the cop. When I investigate someone, I get the result of either "infected" or "not infected". N1 I investigated bv and got "not infected". N2 I investigated ODDin and got the same result.

Evil then says in Post 1315 that...

xReck is lying.

He targetted Kmd Night 1.

That is the info I have. I was hoping to catch him in a lie by getting him to claim.

Please remember the emphasized.

Then in Post 1346, he says that...

Okay, fine. My ability allows me to determine who a player targetted the night before. That's why I don't have a useful N1 result and why

I only found today that xReck targetted Kmd N2.

[Starbuck]

I may be reading this wrong, but it feels to me that evil isn't really the Sheriff.

[Starbuck]

Reck, I'm still waiting on this...

I plan on throwing down my case on Starbuck sometime this weekend because she's caused me to raise my eyebrows a few times... but CMAR's hammer was pretty bad.

Starbuck questions/case to come over the weekend in between drunken stupors.

[Starbuck]

How are you so sure that he typo'd? That's mighty convenient.

[Starbuck]

I also believe that no lynch is a bad idea, but I do like ABR's plan of not killing either one of them.

[Starbuck]

Right now, all we have is what evil said and what Reck said.

Neither one is confirmed.

This is something that needs to be remembered.

[Starbuck]

I really don't feel that Reck was bringing it up as his own idea. I feel you are reaching with this point.

[Starbuck]

Hold the phone, am I even voting for evil?


OH LOOK.......








I'M NOT.


Obviously, you missed my Post 1414.

[Starbuck]

I also never said that Reck wasn't scummy.

[Starbuck]

Hey guys, wtf happened to CooLDoG?

[Starbuck]

Uhhh, vote count, mod?

Post 1426. Top of this page.


Attention to detail ftw.

[Starbuck]

I'm just really surprised that CooLDoG (Reck's other nemesis besides ABR) isn't here and all over this.

[Starbuck]

ODDin, I love your continual misrepresentation of me. I find evil scummy for reasons other than his claim. I do still find him to be scummy, but you are trying to say that I was advocating his lynch because of this claim.

Him, coming out as a PR, does change things. My suspicion is still there, I won't deny that, and will still be there until we have some type of confirmation.


But my vote is not on him, which should show, that I don't want him lynched.

[Starbuck]

Notice, Reck is now at L-1.



Reck, if you are town, I would like you to state who is scum and why.

[Starbuck]

I really don't know. Evil set off my scumdar yesterday, but Reck is playing a meta that I know pretty well as him being town. But he could also be fucking with me knowing that I'd pick up on that.

Between evil coming about with his "result" and the quite fast backing of it all by ABR, it leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

[Starbuck]

So, is the fence comfortable?

I honestly don't mind being here right now, and the reason is because NEITHER OF THESE TWO ARE CONFIRMED. I'm wary of those who are so sure Reck is scum, because I'm not even sure. Same with evil, which is why I'd rather not lynch either of them today.

[Starbuck]

GD = God Damn

Not being offensive, Sly. Just explaining.

[Starbuck]

It's not the end of story until you are confirmed.

[Starbuck]

Sly, you kinda jumped right in the middle of the game, but you haven't really brought anything of your own to the table yet.

I will echo ODDin's "You have cases on them?"

[Starbuck]

Thank you, Sly. That was what I was trying to say earlier, but ODDin started saying I was reaching and rather than push it for the moment, I let it drop.

[Starbuck]

Because I felt it was going to turn into a distraction. So rather than let it become so, I let it drop.

[Starbuck]

ODDin has been pretty good at defending ABR and evil.

[Starbuck]

Vote: CooLDoG

Get the hell in here dude.

[Starbuck]

And your "no town PRs should claim" theory is just wrong.

We WANT our PRs getting nightkilled - it's better than our townies getting recruited.

In this game, more so than others, we can afford to out PRs, especially in exchange for game-critical information, which a vig would offer.

Seriously, WTF on the bolded.

[Starbuck]

Unvote

Vote: Pie

Not liking your liking of PRs dying.

[Starbuck]

The whole thing that bothers me about Reck's and evil's claims is that it took evil so many times of posting to get it correct. Reck claimed on the spot, no problem.

It's basically right now just evil saying "OMG! Reck lied!" and that's it. There's no other evidence other than that.

[Starbuck]

For the record, we have not heard a peep from CooLDoG's replacement.

[Starbuck]

I'm here, ABR, I had lots going on with work the last day or so. Also, Sly is getting annoying as hell to read with his constant spam posts. It's taken me a little longer than usual to get caught back up.

People who aren't on the Reck wagon (especially Starbuck, who is on the Pie wagon): What do you think of Reck's cop ability being recruits-only? Likely or unlikely in a cult game? Make you more or less likely to want Reck dead?

I didn't see this question earlier, Pie, I apologize.



This is my first cult game ever. Anything is possible. I am still feeling that we shouldn't lynch Reck or evil.


Please note that I never said that I couldn't be wrong about Reck, but for me, he's not playing his scum meta.

[Starbuck]

Thoughts on elvis_knits?

Null so far. She really hasn't swayed me one way or the other.

[Starbuck]

Sly, I just don't want to have to go through 500 of your spam posts to get to game related material.

[Starbuck]

When we have something concrete, rather than "he said, she said".

[Starbuck]

But how could that post sell you when you were the one that originally suggested not lynching either of them?

[Starbuck]

Wait...WAIT....

WAIT

Since when is Will a good player?





<3 you, Reck.

[Starbuck]

What's your opinion about the talk of a potential vig?

[Starbuck]

Mod: You know that rule that you have about invoking post restrictions. I think it may be time to use it.

I would suggest: MrSuave and bv/

[Starbuck]

I've already chosen a side. I'm not going to be voting for a claimed cop based on such a shady reasoning.

[Starbuck]

If I have to choose between a claimed cop and someone else, I'll take someone else.

Unvote
Vote: CMAR

[Starbuck]

Reading back through a few things, I found this post from KMD and thought it was ironic, especially with the situation at hand.

Starbuck, I voted Reck because he is scummy. Evilsnail is scummy too.

On SlySly

Why CMAR?

Because I am against lynching a claimed cop with little to no evidence. As I said earlier, the "he said, she said" bullshit doesn't fly with me. The only time that I have lynched a claimed cop was in Newbie 813 and that's because I nailed him as scum. Not lynching won't garner us any information.

Take a look at him in iso. Most of his posts are fluff and spam. He rarely (if ever) contributes anything to scumhunting. To me, it feels like he's just posting so it looks like he's contributing and nothing else.

His obsession with the lurkers also does bother me, especially after I read him in iso. He is the biggest active lurker here.

On SpyreX

If Reck is scum, I'd totally put starbuck down in the ropin' category.

Let me refer you to this post. I never said that Reck=town is an absolute. I never said that I couldn't be wrong.

On CryMeARiver

Reck should not be killed because of his anger issues or what he suggested about the whole modkill thing, rather he should be killed if found SCUMMY.

QFT on this.

I highly disagree with any wagon on me and I fail to see any logic behind it. I have been a lot more active than MrSuave and a few other lurkers and I have definitely provided a lot more food for thought and analysis. Other than that I don't see why I would be voted. MrSuave is a lot better wagon at this point in the game.

Of course you would say the above about yourself. If you don't disagree with a wagon on you, then you are playing against your win con.


You don't feel Reck is scum, but you are voting for him? WTF. If you were pro-town, your vote would be on the person that you suspect the most.

Maybe you should instead attack some of the actual lurkers like bv and mr suave...

On spring break or not, maybe YOU should stop deflecting and answer the questions posed to you.



I would also not be against a MrSuave lynch, just to be rid of the distraction for later on. Especially since he's so vehemently against contributing.

[Starbuck]

You think Reck is possibly town, but your vote is STILL on him.

[Starbuck]

You have had plenty of time to defend yourself. So wtf are you talking about with us giving you a chance?

[Starbuck]

1. You obviously haven't read yourself in iso to see the amount of fluff that you have posted.

2. How is that a huge contradiction when I've already said that I'd support a MrSuave lynch? You are "bad" (your word not mine) because you have no other suspects other than MrSuave.

3. You've been deflecting and taking forever to answer questions. If you are pro-town, there's no need for this.

4. I do have no problem voting MrSuave, but I have other suspects besides the person who hasn't been here all game.

[Starbuck]

I have to go to PT, but I will catch up later.

But...

CMAR - I AM A SHE, NOT A HE.

If you continue to refer to me as the opposite sex when the female symbol is under my name, and has been there since I have joined, I will not answer you any further and think that you are talking to someone else since it's so hard for you to look to the left.



Also, I'm not comfortable with the idea of someone looking up my ip. The fact that CMAR is even contemplating that bothers me.

[Starbuck]

I have posted a few jokes and some things that would be considered fluff, but unlike some I have actually been useful and have started and been part of discussion. The fact that you want to lynch me for this reason, yet are mad that I want to lynch a lurker myself is stupid and contradictory.

Where have you been useful? Sorry, but I haven't seen it.

It is contradictory for the reason above. I have other suspects as well, MrSuave and Pie are just the top 2.

Those are the 2 of the easiest people, besides yourself, to be suspicious of in this game. How about some real cases?

1. No I haven't been deflecting or taking forever to answer questions. I have answered everything asked of me that I know of.
2. In the few hours between the question asked to me and the time I answer it, I have a life that I maintain. I suggest you get the same. Yet I still answer questions.

Taking forever, as in, not answering until you feel you want to. Instead of answering right off. Things like that.

Also, I have a life. You obviously don't know me too well if you don't think I advocate about people's real life. If you are SO BUSY, post a V/LA.

Such as? Also, provide reasoning for these suspects, not fluff that is not true like the above crap.

I have made my suspects known. I'm not re-listing them because you haven't paid attention or are too lazy to go back and read.

Also, berating people (such as stating that what people have said is crap, rather than rebutting it with fact) isn't going to get you far. Trust me.

[Starbuck]

I have made cases against people

Where?

I have defended everything against me.

Not really.

I have done nothing relatively scummy

Lawl, you can't ascertain your own scumminess.

Heck, I've even breadcrumbed the biggest reason I shouldn't be lynched, yet no one caught it.

None of this is remotely relevant, except for maybe the breacrumbing part, which I urge to you to spit out.

Agreed.

I first made arguments to why I thought xReckx is town because his investigations made sense. Then I made an argument about why I thought the cult had not recruited, but then I realized I hadn't thought of the possibility of an SK, so I included that. At the moment, I am slowly realizing that xReckx may have been scum who realized that he needed a big claim to save his ass and realized that bv310 and ODDin made sense as fake investigations.

Wow, wtf WIFOM.

I am sensing flailing.

[Starbuck]

Look... he's a zombielord for crying out loud.

Do you have some kind of proof that the rest of us don't? Because this has not been proven.

[Starbuck]

But Reck claimed who he targeted BEFORE ES came out with his target. You don't think ES could have been waiting so that he could purposely contradict Reck?

[Starbuck]

As I said, I never said I couldn't be wrong about Reck, but I'm not willing to lynch a claimed cop. I'm sure as all hell if Reck is lynched and he flips scum that I'll be fucked, but we don't have any thing else other than "he said, she said" as evidence.

[Starbuck]

In Post 1302, ES says...

I have info that says xReck is scum. I won't reveal what this is yet, but xReck needs to claim in his next post.

and in Post 1305, Reck says...

I don't think it would be very pro-town for me to claim, but fine.

I'm the cop. When I investigate someone, I get the result of either "infected" or "not infected". N1 I investigated bv and got "not infected". N2 I investigated ODDin and got the same result.

then in Post 1315, ES says...

xReck is lying. He targetted Kmd Night 1. That is the info I have. I was hoping to catch him in a lie by getting him to claim.

And let's not mention how many times that he screwed up trying to tell us how he "found out" the information.

[Starbuck]

Pie - part of my reasoning for my vote on CMAR is because of his ACTIVE lurking. Not so much actual lurking.

[Starbuck]

I find it funny that he's all wrapped up about my vote on him, but no one else's.

[Starbuck]

@iLord - Read him in iso. Read the fluff and spam and try to tell me that's not active lurking.

And for the record, it's part of my reasoning, but it's not 100% of my reasoning.

[Starbuck]

Also, he didn't really start actively contributing and posting until coming under pressure of a bandwagon.

[Starbuck]

Instead of you repeating that MrSuave is a better alternative, why don't you show why?

The more you go on about "PLEASE OMG DON'T KILLLLLLLL MEEEEEEE". The more it shows that you may be scum.



And how about showing us where you dropped that breadcrumb? That is one question that I am referring to you that you DEFINITELY deflected.

[Starbuck]

If you weren't prepared to show us your breadcrumb, why did you bring it up?

Yes, I said I wouldn't mind a MrSuave lynch. Just to be rid of the distraction. But we have deadline in what? 3 days?

[Starbuck]

When did I say that you were rushing, Pie?

[Starbuck]

Mod - Can we have prods on the following? Or if possible replacements since they don't seem to care about the game?

bv310 and MrSuave

For everyone else,

bv's last three posts are one on the 3rd of April, one on the 2nd of April (promising us content), and before that is the 22nd of March.

MrSuave's last three posts are one on the 3rd of April (replying to prod and promising content), the 29th of March and the 27th of March.

[Starbuck]

If you were reading the game, you would know.

I'm sorry, but I'm not recapping anything because you decided to be lazy and therefore (if you are town) screw over the rest of your teammates.

It's rather annoying actually.

Can you just stop joining games if you aren't going to participate? That would be awesome.

[Starbuck]

Sorry, Wolf. <3

[Starbuck]

I'm not going to be jumping on anyone if they are snarky with MrSuave. He's bringing it on himself by purposely not doing anything.

[Starbuck]

Moar CMAR votes plz!

[Starbuck]

I know I won't be hammering Reck. I still encourage a CMAR lynch.

[Starbuck]

CMAR, who have you targeted?

[Starbuck]

Unvote

Bah, all these fucking PRs out.

[Starbuck]

Actually, I'm voting for the person who started all this bullshit.

Vote: evilsnail

[Starbuck]

Actually,

Unvote
Vote: Pie

Never say never.

[Starbuck]

I aint budging. I like the Reck lynch more than the pie lynch.

Ill most likely be pushing for the pie lynch tomorrow though.

This screams of "I'm covering all my bases, so you guys can't get on me for not voting Pie today".

And why is he voting reckoner if his claim "confirms" reckoner? This is not adding up for me.

Elvis, I'd also like to add that he had said multiple times that he believes Reck.

And he finally switches, thank goodness.


Post 2125 is the epitome of appeals to emotion. It's also hypocritical as all hell because he asked for the claims of others, but isn't willing to give his own.

My guess there is because he can't come up with a good fakeclaim.




My question is, how come NO ONE is looking at evil now? The guy who set all of this crap in motion, the guy who's barely said anything since he did so.

[Starbuck]

It really sucks doing this on a small phone on vacation.

Excuse.

I will stand up for CMAR here. He did say he was going on vacation and would have limited access. It is spring break time for a lot of different places.

Please stop with the douchebaggery on this point.


Other than that, I have no problem with the rest of your post.

[Starbuck]

Dude, I'm a United States Sailor. I've been in for 6 years. Trust me, if I was insulting you PERSONALLY, you would fucking know it.

[Starbuck]

The only person so far who gave his night claim without having to correct it or explain 5 billion times has been Reck.

[Starbuck]

Who is your scum?

[Starbuck]

Lawl...


Starbuck is a vig who targeted SlySly and SlySly didn't die.

[Starbuck]

I also have targeted Yosarian. That was me.

[Starbuck]

I didn't target anyone Night 1.

I shot Yosarian on Night 2.

I took a shot at SlySly last night and it didn't go through.

[Starbuck]

Wait, Wait, how can you investigate if you are tracking?

[Starbuck]

@ABR - I have a limited number of shots.

@evil - Yos's posts were feeling very forced to me. It just didn't sit well at all.

[Starbuck]

I really didn't. It was something that was in my mind though.

I know that doesn't help my case or anything, but it's normally the people that I'm null on that usually flip scum.

[Starbuck]

I haven't been able to figure out that player slot all game. He felt to me that he was purposely overdoing it, especially with his almost near constant spam.

[Starbuck]

What is everyone's view on that last minute scrambling by CMAR?

[Starbuck]

Never mind, he died.

[Starbuck]

Notice that only after Starbuck said what happened es said "yeah, that's exactly what I found out".

He did THE EXACT SAME THING WITH RECK YESTERDAY.

[Starbuck]

Vote: evilsnail

Everything is much too convenient.

[Starbuck]

What did I say from the get go?

Unvote
Vote ABR

[Starbuck]

Wow Sly, not even gonna let the guy claim?

[Starbuck]

I shot evilsnail. If you guys want to lynch me for it fine, I'm out of vig shots now.

Or better yet, since evil flipped town, we can

Vote: Reck

[Starbuck]

I killed him because he was buddying with ABR for most of the game, and I found him much more suspicious than Reck.

[Starbuck]

I am not a recruit. I am a vig and I have now used my last shot.

If the town feels that it is paramount to be rid of me, I'm fine with that, but it would be a waste.

[Starbuck]

Sly, way to reach. A part of my role was that I had to be on the lynch for each night that I wanted to use my power.

[Starbuck]

I can understand the wanting to be rid of me. I fully felt that evil was scummy and thought so for awhile. The flip of ABR just made it feel more likely.

I apologize for screwing up there.

I have no more shots, so you guys don't have to worry about that. Take me out if you want, it doesn't bother me either way.

[Starbuck]

You said here that you felt I was a ZL.

Right now, ZL or Recruit both = scum.

I am neither.

[Starbuck]

I meant to include ZL/recruit. It's my fault and probably will be held against me for the remainder, since you seem so fucking adamant about it.

[Starbuck]

We need to focus. With evil flipping town, that means that Reck was lying.

If you aren't voting for Reck right now, you are wrong.

[Starbuck]

With MrSuave's absence, I wouldn't be surprised if it was him.

[Starbuck]

Compared to other games that I've played with Elvis, she's been very quiet and staying under the radar.

But msutils.net does show that she has barely been on the site as of late.

[Starbuck]

You have 100 pages to catch up on and I suggest you do that before you start throwing around baseless accusations.

[Starbuck]

I also would be in definite support of a MrSuave lynch because his position is a perfect hiding place for a ZL.

[Starbuck]

Hold on there.

I didn't target anyone Night 1.

I shot Yosarian on Night 2.

I took a shot at SlySly last night and it didn't go through.

I factored in the (only) Starbuck kill in each of my scenarios.

The deaths on N1, N3 and N4 were PR kills and not Starbuck's kills. Thus they would have recruited on N2 and N5.

How can the ZLs have three recruits?

Why did you leave out N4? I shot at evilsnail.

[Starbuck]

So why would recruitment happen on Night 5?

[Starbuck]

Vote: MrSuave

[Starbuck]

@ODDin - Because I didn't feel it was pertinent and didn't want to give myself up so that the mafia could kill me.


I felt that evil was scummier than Reck, but I ALSO SAID that I could be wrong about Reck. He duped me.

[Starbuck]

Sly, I am a limited shot vig, but a town one. I have no more shots left. If the town deems it so that I should be lynched, then do so. But I'd rather lynch someone who we believe to be a ZL.

I did my best to help the town and settle the 1v1 between evil and Reck. As soon as there was confirmation who was scum (via evil's flip), I had no qualms in voting Reck. My only regret is that I should have shot at one or the other earlier, but then we wouldn't have caught ABR.

[Starbuck]

Still waiting on substance from MrSuave.....



And wtf happened to his "supposed" posting restriction?

[Starbuck]

Sly, I believed Reck. Why would I shoot him when I felt that evil was the scummier of the two?

[Starbuck]

I never denied that fact either, but I wasn't the only one.

[Starbuck]

And

I already said that if the town deems it fit to lynch me due to that. I have no issue. Although, I'd rather go after someone who we think is a ZL.

If I am so scummy, why aren't you voting me?

[Starbuck]

You did now, Sly, but you hesitated quite a bit before doing so.

[Starbuck]

Wow, was that fucking necessary?

Honestly, quit with your fucking douchebaggery. It would be greatly appreciated.

[Starbuck]

Is it just me or does it seem like Sly may be the last ZL and he's taunting the village?

[Starbuck]

That was a pretty sudden push. Sorry, but I'm not hammering.