SWN II: The Curse of the Nekomata (Game over!)

[SpyreX]

Because instead of dealing with OMG jester blah blah (which isn't scum soo) I figured having an outside source to bounce ideas off of was worth it. So, I cut a deal and I tend to keep my word. If somehow this lynch ends in a loss you can flame me for it but, well.

And, of course, god forbid there was any kind of chicanery with the shot or anything else. Nice and clean.

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And, for full disclosure I was hoping to use UK as bait - by tying her to the town in essence it was a confirmed and lessening the pool is NEVER a good thing for scums.

I didn't expect the raw power of awesome to make my end of the bargain happen the same day I did it. Them's the breaks though.

[SpyreX]

Ohh its definitely not a scummy performance (unless this is some clever ruse well).

Its nonetheless awesome but.

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Lyncher would have been fairly easy though (and thats why I don't like it persay):

FL: I am American-cop, MME is scum
Town: Well, hot damn 1-1

FL giggles all the way to the bank.

[SpyreX]

WEll IN THIS SETUP that might not have worked so hot but.

[SpyreX]

The problem in this setup would have been MME getting SHOT IN THE FACE which doesn't get your job done.

As for scum?

Barring night actions changing anything drastic I'm assuming one left. My gut / analysis says its in the list of vanilla / no PR's.

If we see another SK kill I'd bet on it being one of our power roles.

If we have a full compliment of kills then I just don't know.

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Psh. No one wants that. The blood would have flown today MUCH HARDER than it did.

I mean hell, Amished is still alive.

[SpyreX]

I think you're right but for a different reason - there's really no gain from fighting it at this juncture.

Of course, I'm HOPING there's 1 scum left. If there's an entirely different (and apparently doing tech work) Russian mafia then the boat will be rocked a little bit.

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P.S. I beg of you all PLEASE don't make this be a long night. Seriously.

[SpyreX]

Why haters gotta hate?

That'd still put us at (potentially weighing greek heavy for the cop): 3:2:2:1:1:1 - 10/25 bad dudes that hate the president.

Of course I haven't settled on a spread from what we've seen that I LIKE sooo

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Yes I will actually give myself a pat on the back for this as a VT. I will fully admit it would be an even LARGER AND AWESOMER pat on the back if I was scum.

Alas, no one is that awesome.

Although paranoid brothers help me find a balance that makes sense with a third mafiate?

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Jah is guilty?

Thats.... confusing.

See my sig, I'll be a backseat emperor for a bit

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@Ani:

What would happen if you were to shoot a post-restricted mafia?

The simple FEAR that Ivy is right on this is enough to make me want to rectify this in one way or another.

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We've killed two PR mafias (one from each flipped group thus far).

I dont want this game to stall until I get back.

I -really- have good vibes from Ivy, still. Further, the only scenario barring Ivy being balls-out scum claiming cop knowing there wasn't actually one would be Ivy being American. So, yea.

One way or another we're going to have to eliminate Jah: a scum flip we need to know. A town flip means we get to parse out what the ass is going on with Ivy.

The only freaking problem is that figuring out there is another scum group by losing the vig shot ins't my favorite way to do it.

Ani, your call.

If Jah is russian most bets are off - I'd put money on him being a goon. Assuming symmetry I think that makes one of our PR's real itchy on being high chance for scum.

Also, and I'd like some input - what the hell is up with a llama kill? Of all the things going on I don't get that. I can't be 2 kool 4 skool until this weekend and thats too long.

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Whooops - when we were talking PR's I was thinking Power Roles and not Post Restrictions.

I -could- see leaving this for another night and just doing a lynch today (Starbuck or Amished)

As for Llama, I'm starting to think that it was the American kill hoping for a cross-kill - which, oddly enough, makes me think we're looking at one American left and this was not balanced against ani mowing down scums like it ain't no thing.

Then, of course, there is the weirdness with Richard's BAH post after getting replaced and the fact that Jah's predecessors (at least the first if I remember correctly) didn't seem to be posting drunk - just posting like spazzes.

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Couple quick things (Yea I think about this game too much on my vacation DONT JUDGE ME)

1.) Someone please in the next day or two get a full votecount analysis up complete with all the pretty colors (hint: Notepad++ makes this really easy to do with its replace).

2.) The flipside of the Llama-death issue that is bothering me a lot: why, if there IS a Russian mafia, have they not taken a shot at Ivy? I don't get it. That plus the balance issues of what would be a 5th killing faction (Greek, American, SK, Vig) makes me really weary of there being a Russian.

Which means I think today for sure we're saving the shot and not lynching Jah.

THAT SAID:

@Jah:
I'd like thoughts, in depth, on everyone still alive. For an added bonus, gimme your top American picks and your top Russian picks with some reasons why.

@Ivy:
What do you think your role DOES? Like, gimme your best thoughts on what the hell is going on because god I have a gut town read on you like nothing else but...

@All:
Lets play get some reads up. Additionally, I'd love to see what scenarios we can come up with that explain Ivy's results.

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So, for now, and it might change based on the VC's etc I am totally down for a Starbuck lynch after that stunt. If ani wants to play take the shots until vanilla today (which isn't a TERRIBLE idea) I'd start there.

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Non power roles don't have to give results AND risk getting shot to satisfy my ire.

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Why would you both be here to serve as a red herring for Jah, specifically?

Thats not even bastardly. It just doens't make sense to me.

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Ohh Jah you magnificent bastard.

Any conclusions you want to draw from that? (I've got a few, but lets perform an experiment of sorts).

Ivy, I think we need a full rundown on what the hell is going on with your role. I don't remember anything about drunk shenanigans before soo color me confused.

I dont like being confused.

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Welp as much as I'd like to be all patient and stuff WELL just not my style.

@Ani: Shoot Ivy. Shoot Amished.

A drunk can work as an Imperial Jester in a pinch.

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(Yea, I'm thinking there's a high to middlin' chance Ivy is going to flip exactly what we expect. No, that doesn't change that this needs to happen now.)

If the game isn't over with those two shots I'll do some more lookin when I get home from vacation.

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From this point forward the seat of my Empire will be known as the Ivy Palace because you did good work with a goofy role.

Now I wait patiently for some flips. We'll move from there.

(as an aside Ivy - with skye reading in I had a gut read of doc so the JK claim makes sense)

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Phone typing is hard.

Welllll huh. At least hated isn't nilla.

Its either time to push through a lynch or scorched earth this piggy.

I think I lean towards the former. rifka you are on killstopping duty. Ray you know what to do.

vote starbuck

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Small change of plans - but if you trust ani and I this is game set match.

Ray protect ani. Rifka jail me. Lynch starbuck or jah I guess but.

Tomorrow will be the end of the game and a town win barring pure madness.

So it is written.

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Don't lynch today until the greenlight though

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Have I lost my mind without my notes? Lord I can't keep skye and rifka separate.

K no more posts from me for a bit

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Sheesh, ye of little faith.

I will say this though:

Dear American Mafia,

Things may look bleak, but there is still hope. If there IS a Russian mafia, you've gotta shoot at them.

However, to have any chance (not spoiling my plans), you need to hit one of the post-restricted (whom, if there is a mafiers by nature one of IS mafia) or the vanilla. If you get all uppity and there is a Russian mafia you lose tomorrow.

So, yea, take your only gamble that has a chance to pay off.

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That said:

@Ani: If ANYONE votes tomorrow before my plans are fully laid out, shoot them in the face. I dont care if the mod says they are confirmed super town++ they get a bullet. If I'm dead, shoot Skye.

[SpyreX]

I'm back in the livingish.

Starbuck gets the rope. Make it happen.

Tomorrow (gameday), if there is a game, shoot anyone that votes before I lay out the plan.

We've got this. Of course this Starbuck maneuver makes me think we may be done but we'll see.

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What, specifically, is the "how do we know that Spyre" is telling the truth in relation to?

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Huh.

Well, at least that makes thinking Rifka and I being scum together isn't absolutely crazy.

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No one, in any way shape or form, is cleared.

If ani is scum, scum will win.

If I am scum, scum will win.

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Yes, baby steps.

If Starbuck is town (or even Russian) - remember what I said dear ol' American mafia. If you want a -chance- at the win you need to hit a post-restricted player.

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Ohh lord almighty.

Before this goes through I have a question for the masses:

Would it be truly bastardly if "Anti-Greek" or "Anti-Russian" Mafia Cop meant that they found Not-Greek Mafia and Not-Russian Mafia respectively.

As in the inverse of what would be expected?

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In fact while I ponder this.

Unvote

[SpyreX]

Ehh its moot.

Vote: Starbuck

[SpyreX]

It was just a thought that crossed my mind (especially since I'm having issues STILL divining Ivy's role and how it functions in the grand scheme of things).

Unless it was 3:3:2 (Greek, Russian, American) which still gives me a balancing headache.

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Game, set, match.

Ani, you around?

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Actually, doesn't matter.

Shoot Ray, Shoot Rifka, Vote Mae.

Win.

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All in the same post, btw.

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vote Mae

Well played.

Comrade.

[SpyreX]

Yea, I was really hoping one of the two PR's would get killed. Without Ray and/or Skye a win via scorched earth wasn't 100% go.

Well played all.

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I'd love to see dead chat.

Day three may be the best I've ever done, ever. So

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???

I'll admit being a little lost there Llama - I've only pulled this stunt a couple times and its happened when I've found a handful of towns and for whatever reason lost for scum.

Yea, I haven't done it as scum YET, but.