Left 4 Dead Mafia - Day 6?
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/confirmShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
ChannelDelibird: Well, for the record, FUCK YOU
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vote: AnonShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
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Last to confirm.Amished wrote:Any particular reason, Dizzy?ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
ChannelDelibird: Well, for the record, FUCK YOU
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If your plan were possible, it would make it too easy to confirm townies. Thus, either the set-up is broken (which would be an annoyance) or there will be safeguards to ensure that scum have a fighting chance, thus making your plan flawed in some way.Socrates wrote:
Actually, anyone think we should do something more sophisticated than just scrambling to see who gets the item?Socrates wrote:Anyone who gets an item should immediately claim and then use it at the next available opportunity. I shall take a failure to claim as proof that scum got it. Assuming that the effect of the item is at all provable, using the item will get us a confirmed townie.
If we all agree on one player to get the item (say, someone who is a big question mark to the town) then we get a useful tool for determining that persons alignment.
Say we give someone a gun and then tell them to shoot someone else. We can confirm a townie and get a bonus lynch from that, and if they can't, we have a likely scum on our hands. (yea yea, watch out for a role blocker, I know.)
Incidentally, I expect a powerful scum team. Just putting that out there.ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
ChannelDelibird: Well, for the record, FUCK YOU
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I forgot about this for a second...DeathNote wrote:@Mod- Can you list a sample town PM?
unvote, vote DeathNoteShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
ChannelDelibird: Well, for the record, FUCK YOU
ChannelDelibird: ;_;
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unvote
I have a busy couple of days coming up. Hopefully, I'll be able to contribute to the game during that period but if not, I'll definitely be back up to speed at the weekend.ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
ChannelDelibird: Well, for the record, FUCK YOU
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DizzyIzzyB13: Cogitate is shorter. :(
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Sigh. This game is irritating so far.ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
ChannelDelibird: Well, for the record, FUCK YOU
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DizzyIzzyB13: Cogitate is shorter. :(
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That was the point at which I finally managed to suffer through the thread so far. That was my initial thought.almightybob wrote:
If people just post things like that, it will be. You said in your last post that you'd definitely be back up to speed by the weekend. Share your thoughts.DizzyIzzyB13 wrote:Sigh. This game is irritating so far.
No, it's a stupid slip not a scum slip. It's something that would only be said by someone in a moment of stupidity, and could just as easily be said by someone town aligned (since it reflects sound town strategy to attempt to not seem scummy) or by someone scum aligned (since it reflects good scum strategy to attempt to not seem scummy). It's irrelevent to his alignment.Do you think that what Charlie said is a scumslip?
It's about as worthy of response as the statement "Glork posted that he hoped to be up to date with the game by the end of today right after the mod posted a voe count. Perhaps his post was a well-timed deflection so people wouldn't know the status of votes?".What is your response to DocPotter's suggestion in post 205 that your noting of DN's request for a sample PM was a well-timed deflection?ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
ChannelDelibird: Well, for the record, FUCK YOU
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DizzyIzzyB13: Cogitate is shorter. :(
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Glork wrote:Okay, so the first six pages have been a clusterfuck of stupidity.
Pot. Kettle. Black.Glork wrote:Major FoS: Izzy
You don't lurk for 9 pages then say the game is "irritating." Contribute, die, or get yourself replaced.
I wasn't lurking. I had other priorities that meant I couldn't contribute for several days (which I made a post about). I read through the game to catch up. My comment that the game is irritating was no different to yours calling it a "clusterfuck of stupidity" after reading through it. Will you "Major FoS" yourself for doing the exact same thing?ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
ChannelDelibird: Well, for the record, FUCK YOU
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DizzyIzzyB13: Cogitate is shorter. :(
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Uh, because if you were scum you wouldn't claim scum, would you?Charlie wrote:Brilliant deduction there, Glork. Now how about explaining the anti-town part?
Well, maybeyouwould. But typically, scum do not claim scum.ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
ChannelDelibird: Well, for the record, FUCK YOU
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DizzyIzzyB13: Cogitate is shorter. :(
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And Scorates has been consistently opposed to Ifrinn, in his own jerkish, anti-town kinda way.ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
ChannelDelibird: Well, for the record, FUCK YOU
ChannelDelibird: ;_;
DizzyIzzyB13: Cogitate is shorter. :(
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Grab: flashlightShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
ChannelDelibird: Well, for the record, FUCK YOU
ChannelDelibird: ;_;
DizzyIzzyB13: Cogitate is shorter. :(
DizzyIzzyB13: Sorry, CD
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Uh, you proposed a plan that offered no benefit to the town whilst giving scum the identities of everyone who picked up an item (and thus, probably the only pro-town powers we get) and potentially allowing the scum to know what each item does in order that they better plan their future killing strategy. Oh yes, what a wonderfully not-anti-town-at-all plan THAT was.Socrates wrote:
You see, this is the pot calling the white china black. In what way are the shenanigans I pulled earlier anti-town, Mrs. Active lurker?DizzyIzzyB13 wrote:And Scorates has been consistently opposed to Ifrinn, in his own jerkish, anti-town kinda way.
Are you still happy with your deathnote vote, Dizzy? How do you feel about his response? What do YOU think if Ifrinn? Who is your biggest scum read outside of those two? Why?
Keep up. I unvoted DeathNote. I'm not voting for anyone right now. I unvoted when I was V/LA because hanging votes like that can be troublesome when you're not around to remove them, and his response to the pressure applied to him produced a reasonable answer that did not merit a revote.
Ifrinn is producing useful content, opposes anti-town play, is involved and is at the very least appearing to hunt scum. Town read.
My biggest scum read is the most anti-town player so far. Meaning you. Hi.ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
ChannelDelibird: Well, for the record, FUCK YOU
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DizzyIzzyB13: Cogitate is shorter. :(
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Because there are no pro-town benefits, and you're delusional if you think there are.Socrates wrote: I have already explained what the pro-town benefit of my plan is and people have largely ignored it. I would keep arguing about it, but that horse is out of the stall and nothing productive will come from it.*
sar·casm /ˈsɑrkæzəm/ –nounFrickin A, your response to my plan when I first suggested it was essentially "That plan is too powerful, so there must be a flaw, and thus we shouldn't do it." What happened to THAT reasoning, Dizzy?
1.harsh or bitter derision or irony.
2.a sharply ironical taunt; sneering or cutting remark: a review full of sarcasms.
I was v/la.I find it absolutely fascinating that I am your biggest scum read when this is word one that I have heard about it. I mean, I made that suggestion on what, page 3? Why did you wait until after Amished started pressuring Thatguy about it to suddenly pipe up about me being scummy, instead using your time to get all pissy with Glork? This is especially ridiculous because you aren't even voting me. You have yet to to push anything pro-actively and this post from you is purely reactive to my questioning.
He's doing a much better job of it than you. The fact that you proposed the stupid anti-town plan and are vehemently opposed to someone who's one of the more pro-town players so far is suspicious.I also call bullshit on your line that Ifrinn is hunting scum.ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
ChannelDelibird: Well, for the record, FUCK YOU
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DizzyIzzyB13: Cogitate is shorter. :(
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Yeah, I don't get why you'd vote for him at this stage based on that post. I was the first to vote for him because of it, because it happened in the confirmation stage and struck me as curious, but, thanks to the pressure from votes, he provided a reasonable explanation. I would like to hear further reasoning behind a DeathNote vote.Pomegranate wrote:
Is your would-be 'vote' on Deathnote at all becfause he requested a sample town Role PM, or is it simply because of the quality of his posts? I disagree with those who say that it was scummy to request the sample Role PM. What's your opinion on that matter?CryMeARiver wrote:My first scumspect is deathnote. So far his posts have been generally unhelpful, though I have not finished reading, andi do not like how he asked for a sample role pm.
I eould vote him but can't bold on this thing.ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
ChannelDelibird: Well, for the record, FUCK YOU
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DizzyIzzyB13: Cogitate is shorter. :(
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Uh... why is CryMeARiver in this game when he's currently banned from Mafia sign-ups?ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
ChannelDelibird: Well, for the record, FUCK YOU
ChannelDelibird: ;_;
DizzyIzzyB13: Cogitate is shorter. :(
DizzyIzzyB13: Sorry, CD
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That's my point. I know why he was banned. I want to know why he's apprarently allowed to play in this game while he's banned, considering he joined while said ban is in place.Starbuck wrote:
It can be found here. Started on March 1st.DizzyIzzyB13 wrote:Uh... why is CryMeARiver in this game when he's currently banned from Mafia sign-ups?ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
ChannelDelibird: Well, for the record, FUCK YOU
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DizzyIzzyB13: Cogitate is shorter. :(
DizzyIzzyB13: Sorry, CD
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You're not on probation. You're banned from sign-ups for majorly breaching the integrity of a game.ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
ChannelDelibird: Well, for the record, FUCK YOU
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DizzyIzzyB13: Cogitate is shorter. :(
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And yet you have joined a game.ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
ChannelDelibird: Well, for the record, FUCK YOU
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DizzyIzzyB13: Cogitate is shorter. :(
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It's relevent to the game. CryMeARiver should not be in it on account of his ban.ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
ChannelDelibird: Well, for the record, FUCK YOU
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DizzyIzzyB13: Cogitate is shorter. :(
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And the mod should start looking for a replacement, because if he doesn't go, I'm requesting replacement because of it.Starbuck wrote:At this point, Cry, you need to stop posting and get clarification from mith. I'm not a fan of playing with cheaters.ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
ChannelDelibird: Well, for the record, FUCK YOU
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DizzyIzzyB13: Cogitate is shorter. :(
DizzyIzzyB13: Sorry, CD
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Oh God, we're all doomed...ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
ChannelDelibird: Well, for the record, FUCK YOU
ChannelDelibird: ;_;
DizzyIzzyB13: Cogitate is shorter. :(
DizzyIzzyB13: Sorry, CD
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I'd argue that he started even before that - his first three posts are questions regarding the game-specific rules. Given the nature of the mechanics he was questioning, I'd categorise that as some form of set-up speculation from him right off the bat.Starbuck wrote:
Nice find.almightybob wrote:Do you know what'shilarious? When I was looking back just there to see who first started speculating about the setup, do you know what I found?
So, irony of ironies, the first to speculate on the setup in any way was in fact Socrates.Socrates, post 51 (18 posts before Ifrinn first mentioned the setup), wrote:
Incidentally, I expect a powerful scum team. Just putting that out there.
God I love hypocrisy. It's such good entertainment when it blows up in your face.ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
ChannelDelibird: Well, for the record, FUCK YOU
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DizzyIzzyB13: Cogitate is shorter. :(
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Do you not see the benefit for the town of town players ensuring that what they are saying is unlikely to be interpreted in a scummy way, thus providing a distraction from the hunting of scum? I mean, I try to remember to check through my posts before I hit submit in order to make sure I've expressed myself clearly and haven't done or said anything that could give an inaccurate impression of my alignment. That's not to say scum don't do it (they kinda have to) or do it more often, but to act like it's an inherently anti-town thing baffles me.Starbuck wrote:I still don't understand why you would be reading yourself to see if you are scummy if you are town, unless you are trying to make sure that you aren't being scummy when you are scum.ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
ChannelDelibird: Well, for the record, FUCK YOU
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DizzyIzzyB13: Cogitate is shorter. :(
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Votes get reactions and lead to answers.DeathNote wrote:
Dizzy never voted me with intentions to lynch me. I don't even understand why she voted me to begin with.How do you feel about every person that has voted you? Is Bob is the only one who you feel is being disingenuous about riding your wagon? How about those that are riding the wagon but not pushing it?
Have you read my post 177? How about Bob's 280? Pom's 217? How do you feel about those cases and the people that they are on?
How do you feel about Dizzy, Amished, Jmj, Doc, Starbuck and Charlie?ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
ChannelDelibird: Well, for the record, FUCK YOU
ChannelDelibird: ;_;
DizzyIzzyB13: Cogitate is shorter. :(
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I have some family issues, and I've fallen a bit behind. I need to catch up before I can post anything useful at the moment. Sorry. Hopefully, this will be tonight, but I make no promises.ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
ChannelDelibird: Well, for the record, FUCK YOU
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Catching up. I'm just posting responses to posts that catch my eye, stream of consciousness style.
This is the mantra of scum who can't get a wagon they've decided to push going.Glork wrote:Plus, nobody seems to care that Izzy is scum, and I'm currently too dis-interested to make a focused case.
Reading comprehension is an under-rated skill in mafia. Either that, or you're deliberately taking stuff out of context in order to make your point, which is mildly disturbing.Starbuck wrote:
If you look at my Post 343 under the "On jmj" part at the bottom, you will find why I found jmj enough to vote for. In his Post 340, he writes a whole paragraph on how he doesn't feel confident enough to place a vote because he isn't sure they are actually scum, and this is after 14 PAGES of a game. On top of that, he lists people and reasons as to why he finds them suspicious, but doesn't vote. This is textbook fencesitting.Glork wrote:I don't understand the gist of why people suspect jmj.
This is possibly the most ridicious defence of a ridiculous statement ever concocted in a mafia game. Kudos where it's deserved.jmj3000 wrote:
Newbie 878: I was 100% confident in my votes at the time. Every single one of my votes was placed witch 100% confidence based on the evidence that was there at the time. If they provided a sufficient rebuttal of the evidence, then I retracted my vote and went back to who I was 100% sure was scum until endgame. The problem with people reading my meta in that game is that they know everyone's roles at the time and can see more in what was said while I had to go off what I had at the time and my own thought processes.You vote without 100% certainty often and repeatedly in Newbie 878. Most obviously in the RVS, but then several times throughout the thread you vote while obviously not being completely sure of it.
You again vote for Zachrulez without 100% certainty in Open 196. You were clearly not 100% certain about this vote because you reread and retracted that vote a very short time later.
Both times you were a Vanilla Townie, and both times you cast votes without complete certainty.
Open 196: When I placed the vote, I was 100% confident zach was scum based on what I had read up to that point. When I went back the next day after I had slept, I noticed my confidence was based on me misreading what zach had wrote, and I went and removed my vote while admitting my mistake.
Now, while confident and certain are similar, they do not mean the same thing. I was confident in my votes in those games, but I was not certain. There are only three ways to be certain of someone's alignment: be part of the scum team, upon their death, and upon the endgame. I vote with confidence, not certainty, and I am not confident in any of my suspicions at the moment.
lol.jmj3000 wrote:No, but that was an RVS vote and I don't count those.All my other votes were with 100% confidence. ARe you ever 100% confident that your RVS vote is on scum?
This borders on coaching. Noted for future reference.Starbuck wrote:JMJ, right now, you are blatantly going out of your way to be a distraction. Please go back and re-read the thread and come up with some type of case on someone. You shouldn't be fencesitting this far along on Day 1.
I both lol'ed and agreed.DocPotter wrote:
"I'll show you mine if you show me yours" works for tits and dicks, not mafia. I hate it when people say the'll give their case later.jmj3000 wrote:You will get cases from me as soon as the replacements comment on what they think their predecessors were thinking when they were posting.
Vote JMJ
Good catch on the contradiction.Amished wrote:Also, after
followed byjmj wrote:@bv130: I am still rereading and making notes. My rereads go me reading the wholr topic at a glance, then reading it in detail, then isoing everyone, so it takes me a while.jmj wrote:@everyone: I have never been very good at going and pulling information from many pages of info, unless I have something specific to look for. So, ask me questions and I will answer them.
My only problems with this are a) dramonic is listed as replacing xofelf, who is a she and b) she only posted once in RVS, so I question whether dramonic was actually aware of what his replacement posted and whether the cheap joke was deflection rather than honesty.dramonic wrote:So...
Scummy people right now would be Socrates, jmj, Tar, with a possibility of DeathNote.
The Iffrin wagon is completely overgrown and bad.
Setup/item speculation needs to end.
What my predecessor was thinking... He wasn't?
Useless noise masquerading as an apparent attempt to appear helpful. Also lol worthy considering it was a response to the previously quoted dramonic post.jmj3000 wrote:Thank you dramonic. Any other replacements want to give their opinions on what they think their predecessors were thinking?
Ah. So he was aware, and I'd forgotten about CMAR who wasn't listed. Dammit.dramonic wrote:well, in his defense xo posted two fluffs and CMAR is mindless
jmj3000 wrote:I am asking the replacements, based on their observations of their predecessors posts plus their role pms, what they think their predecessors were thinking. I never said they knew, I merely want their opinions.almightybob wrote:And why can't you post your cases while we wait for that information?jmj3000 wrote:Because I have some cases that involve the replacements.
This particular string of posts illustrates the pointlessness of jmj. Unlike most of the other people who aren't contributing, who're (or at least claiming to be) v/la or something (myself included), he's here, involved in the game, posting useless promises of future analysis that have yet to appear (at least, by this point of the thread) without anycompelling explanation as to why we should wait and despite frequent requests for him to make himself useful.Starbuck wrote:And.....
Again.... S-T-A-L-L-I-N-G
In my case, I'd like a reason to vote for someone that over-rides my desire to annoy Glork for his inane, narrow-minded and incorrect opinion that people who aren't voting aren't useful. There's strategic value in a non-vote.Furry wrote:Pressing question though
@DeathNote, jmj3000, DizzyIzzyB13, Charlie, thatguy00
Why are none of you voting?
Noted for future reference. I don't think it's scummy to not explain yourself straight away if doing so would potentially harm the town, but if you're going to play that card, you should make sure you answer it later.Tarhalindur wrote:
I will not elaborate at this time.almightybob wrote:
And that explanation is?Tar wrote:- Socrates is bugging me, but there's one obvious possible explanation for most of his behavior that I can't discount at this time.
Tarhalindur wrote:There's also one other issue with that activity post, come to think of it... why does bv310 appear so worried about his own activity level? The obvious possibility is that bv310 is active lurking, and I generally don't see that come from a townie.
Final note: HOW long has it been since bv310 has posted? AFAICT, he's not been replaced, yet not posted for at least a week.
Mod: Please prod bv310bv310 wrote:I was worried about my activity level because I tend to get called out for lurking a lot.
Amished took the words right out of my mouth. Considering the reply came 16 minutes after Tar's post, it's indicative of active lurking, the more scummy version of lurking since it rules out most of the mitigating circumstances behind lurking that make lurking itself a null-tell.Amished wrote:Talk about convenient timing... Jesus
First reaction that this is awfullyt random considering a lack of DN posts so far and the lack of explanation for why he's voting almightybob.DeathNote wrote:Vote: almightybob
Deadline is in three days. Lets get something done.
More jmj hypocricy. You can't demand a case from someone without being willing to share your own.jmj3000 wrote:Alright DN, why vote almightybob then and not give any reasoning? As you said, deadline is in 3 days. In order to lynch correctly, we need discussion, not votes thrown on with no reasoning behind them. If you have posted a case against almightybob, link to it for us please.
Things to note from this post:jmj3000 wrote:I have stated multiple times, the reasons I am not giving any cases is because they have mostly been laid out by other people. Socrates has been pointed out as being scummy multiple times due to the set-up speculation and trying to get an item grabbing order set-up BEFORE Ifrinn had even said anything. I just asked one of my suspects for a case, that person being DN, after they vote without giving a reason, on top of them asking in the thread for a sample pm, in addition to refusing to answer a question from YOU Starbuck and one from Charlie. As for bv, he is quickly climbing my scum ladder due to his continued absence, even though people have posed questions to him and said they were suspicious of him. As for Charlie, he went and goes "I read my post to make sure it didn't sound scummy". Why does a townie need to worry about that. If you look too town, you are suspicious, should your posts should sound just a little scummy. As to Dizzy, when I said I was suspicious of her, that was when I hadn't fully reread the topic. After going back and rereading, I see she has scumhunted, and posted a lot more content, so I am going to remove my suspicion. There, happy Starbuck?
a) The defence that "other people have made my case for me" does not jive with his prior comments, and is a bad defence anyway. Town should try and contribute their own thoughts on cases and make clear what they agree with, something jmj is failing to do quite epically.
b) Hey, he's posting thoughts on people. Finally. Good job.
c) Some of his opinions are ridiculous, particularly his absurd statement that I have apparently scum hunted and posted more content, when most of my posting in this game has been attempting to get rid of CMAR because he's banned and a cheating bastard to boot. I don't think he could honestly go from suspecting me to thinking I'm town based on the content of the posts he's referring to (even though I disagree with any basis on which he's suspected me in the first place).
This is a poor response from DN, considering the tone of his post that he wants to push for a lynch tbefore deadline against almightybob. Entirely unconvincing and a very weak case.DeathNote wrote:Your reaching... hard. Perhaps you hope to accomplish some last ditch effort to thrust your suspicions off on me.
almightybob was my first FoS.
I would say AlmightyBob kinda worries me, partially an OMGUS but mostly because he reasoning just doesn't make sense to me. Like he thinks he can get away with pushing for an easy lynch.
This is a very good point from Pomegranate.Pomegranate wrote:
This post is slightly better than your earlier ones, but if you have time to type up something like this, why can't you take a bit more time and make/explain a good case on your top suspect?jmj3000 wrote:I have stated multiple times, the reasons I am not giving any cases is because they have mostly been laid out by other people. Socrates has been pointed out as being scummy multiple times due to the set-up speculation and trying to get an item grabbing order set-up BEFORE Ifrinn had even said anything. I just asked one of my suspects for a case, that person being DN, after they vote without giving a reason, on top of them asking in the thread for a sample pm, in addition to refusing to answer a question from YOU Starbuck and one from Charlie. As for bv, he is quickly climbing my scum ladder due to his continued absence, even though people have posed questions to him and said they were suspicious of him. As for Charlie, he went and goes "I read my post to make sure it didn't sound scummy". Why does a townie need to worry about that. If you look too town, you are suspicious, should your posts should sound just a little scummy. As to Dizzy, when I said I was suspicious of her, that was when I hadn't fully reread the topic. After going back and rereading, I see she has scumhunted, and posted a lot more content, so I am going to remove my suspicion. There, happy Starbuck?
Definite improvement in jmj's play. He's finally questioning someone and challenging potentially scummy play. Much later than would have been helpful, though.jmj3000 wrote:Ok DN, you answered my question, now how about answering Starbuck's and Charlie's? Or, if you have already answered them, why don't you link us to the answers? I don't think finding someone acummy for not answering three questions, and basing their vote off of OMGUS reasons when they could go back and add more content to their case is reaching.
How does not voting conflict with ensuring your vote is where your top suspicions lie when you don't have any strong suspicions or aren't involved enough in the game to have relevent suspicions? When you consider how much stock players liek you and Glork are putting in the location of votes, it's actually a pro-town thing to do since it doesn't provide potentially misleading information that could lead to bad things happening to the town. My vote was taken off because it was a) serving no purpose and b) I was going to be disconnected from the game for a while. It's stayed there because it's the best reflection of my opinions on the game. That is not anti-town behaviour.Furry wrote:
*luv*Glork wrote:
So why remove it after 10+ pages? Leave it or put it elsewhere, but make sure we know where your top suspicions lie at all times. No protown player should ever object to that.DocPotter wrote:Glork: I've had a vote on someone for about 250 of the 290 posts in the game so far.
SOME ELSE GETS IT!!! I swear I yell at people every game and there are still people who refuse to vote untill "they are completely sure" or some bull like that (like jmj).
unvote
Got a short read done
Vote bv
FoS Izzy
FoS Pom
@mod - Request deadline extension
Tomorrow I will get up a case, now im going to go study.
Hmm. I quite like this post by Socrates. It's probably his best in teh game from my point of view.Socrates wrote:Furry, in your experience, how much does unwillingness to vote correlate to a players alignment (if at all)?
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I think being purely passive and not doing anything to hunt scum like jmj is very anti-town and bad strategy, but if he actually believes what he is saying then I have a hard time calling him scum for it, regardless about how I feel about that playstyle.
Part of the reason that I thought it was scummy though is 1) that he wasn't doing anything in absence of the vote. He just wasn't posting at all, really. I can accept not voting so long as you still find a way to be an active participant, but he didn't. And 2) When I asked him for his three suspects, his answers for those suspects were the definition of "safe". His suspicion of me (I felt) was completely cribbed from izzy's post directly before his, Deathnote (god, that wagon needed to die a long time ago), and Izzy (for literally no reason, but she had received some flack from other posters).
I could potentially interpret this as scum not willing to commit anywhere and doesn't have a clear strategy on how he was going to get through the day and just BS'ed some weak reads to keep his options open.
But I could also interpret it as a townie this just hasn't put much thought in the game and is easily influence by other posters.
Hrm...
I need moar data.
Another useful post from Socrates. While his information may or may not be accurate, at least there appears to be a good intentionb behind the post in order to better inform the town. He's redeeming himself a bit in my eyes from his earlier anti-town behaviour.Socrates wrote:Where can I look to get a thorough look at the BV case? It seemed a lot of it has to do with the fact that he is lurking and acknowledged that?
I've seen him in multiple games while looking around the site and the impression I got of him as a player is that of a self conscious lurker who is aware of his low posting rate and doesn't like that. His play this game has sorta fit in with that so I never really had a problem with him so far, though I don't like that he still isn't doing anything is still sitting on the DN wagon (I think?).
Of course, I am shooting purely from the hip and its possible that that interpretation of BV wouldn't actually pan out on a thorough meta.
Well, the rules do not mention scum day talk, which most mods would include in the ruleset if it was going to happen as it's not a standard mechanic. Thus, if you were scum, the only way to spread the word once the game had begun was to ask in public so all the scum would have access to the information during day one.Socrates wrote:Regarding my "setup speculation". What was my pro-scum intentions by asking the mod those questions? Why would I do it in the thread as scum, rather than through PM? I asked those questions because they affected the viability of my plan.
And you would expect people with power roles to not act like vanillas? If we do have power roles involved, I would certainly expect them to behave otherwise in order to conceal themselves from scum unless and untill it is time for them to reveal themselves.Socrates wrote:The reason I said that people should stop setup speculation is because multiple people were being very transparent about what their roles are. Seriously, some people might have well have posted "I AM VANILLA" in big letters in their posts.
How very helpful.dramonic wrote:unvote: Whoever
Vote: Jmj
This is a good wagon.
Questions:Glork wrote:This game has been very disjointed and there have been enough annoying distractions that I'm having a hard time pinning down a list of likely scums. I have, however, picked out a few players who are on my "Likely Protown" list:
Tar
Almightybob
DeathNote
Charlie
You may note that Pom's not on this list, even though I called her "very likely protown" in an earlier post. Long story short, I changed my mind and wish to reserve judgment pending further content from her.
Which of Tar or Nelly is more responsible for this town read?
Why DeathNote?
Does the fact that Charlie's essentially dropped off the map for about a week affect this read or not, and why?
I completely disagree, the content of a player's posts is far more important in regards to discerning their opinions, since crafting a convincing set of arguments is far harder for scum than a simple vote. Besides which, people vote for reasons other than just suspicion. In my opinion, votes are more useful for discerning patterns of behaviour which can be used to find scum than determining a player's opinions on the game.Furry wrote:
Little if any as its an anti-town playstyle tell more then an alignment tell, usually its repeted by the same handful of players regardless of what role they have. Not voting is simply a way of withholding your thoughts and opinions from the town. Information is good.Socrates wrote:Furry, in your experience, how much does unwillingness to vote correlate to a players alignment (if at all)?
In my case, no, which is why my vote was removed when I went v/la as there were enough votes on the wagon to maintain the pressure I wanted to put on him without running the risk of my vote contributing to an unwanted quicklynch because I would be unable to remove it.Furry wrote:@early DN wagon (Izzy, AMB, Infrinn, bv, thatguy, charlie) - Would you have wanted a DN quicklynch if you could of had one?
Pomegranate sums up the problem with this post more than adequately. Seems almost like a desperate attempt to avoid being lynched, which leads to an unfavorable interpretation in the context of jmj's prior behaviour.Pomegranate wrote:
I agree that bv isn't doing much, but that's no excuse. Trying to move the negative attention to a different player isn't good. So I'll say that I agree with your vote, but that doens't change my stance on you. Look at it this way: Of you're doing the same thing as bv, and you think that bv is scummy, why aren't you scummy too (if you admit to doing the same thing)?jmj3000 wrote:Wait, I'm being targeted for something that bv has also done and he gets a free pass? He sits there, gives a case amounting to saying his vote was a pressure vote, then comments that whenever he sees something scummy that DN has done, it's already under discussion, but he doesn't add to said discussion? At least Dizzy has given an excuse for not contributing to discussion, bv hasn't given one. He;s one of my suspects, though admittedly not one of my strongest, but since it seems everyone is giving DN and Socrates a free pass, and seems intent on lynching me, y'all will find some way to make this vote paint me scummier, butvote: bv.
But bv has reacted to pressure by simply resuming lurking, while jmj has reacted in a manner more likely to be useful to the town whether he's town or scum (if he's town, then he's legitimately attempted to scum hunt, while if he's scum, he's provided more data from which we can interpolate who his buddies are). Meanwhile, bv is denying us information in response to pressure. I'd rather keep jmj if he's going to provide information in response to pressure over a useless bv.Socrates wrote:
Jmj only started being more verbose about his thoughts as a reflex to the pressure that he was receiving. If a wagon hadn't been building on him, I am confident that he would have kept on behaving as he was before. And changing one's behavior in response to pressure isn't overtly indicative of being town in any way because any scum with half a brain would know to do it.Furry wrote:
Actually if you read them both in iso, jmj has done more to explain his thoughts and suspicions then bv has, even if he refused to vote untill just now. While jmj isnt the epitome of town, he is way behind bv (and at least a handful others) on the list of who I want lynched.Socrates wrote:I don't quite understand Furry. What, in your eyes, is the distinction between Jmj and Bv that makes one significantly better than the other? Both have lurked and deigned not to scumhunt at all, with the only significant difference in their play so far that I have seen is that Bv shamelessly bandwagoned at the beginning of the game under the pre-text of pressure, which is something that townies do all the time.
This is the second time that I have seen jmj post something that contains thoughts that are taken from the post directly before his.
He does seem to post things that are similar to people posting just before him, though I don't think it's necessarily scummy to agree with people, esppecially considering town works towards a common goal and therefore are more likely to have conplimentary opinions.
What a horrifically weak case that is. I'm not sure what else to say to it.Furry wrote:
Izzy was a part of the DN wagon, although she backed off for apartently no reason at all while "catching up". The unvote was explained finally eight days later.DizzyIzzyB13 wrote:
I forgot about this for a second...DeathNote wrote:@Mod- Can you list a sample town PM?
unvote, vote DeathNote
Soon after glork gets on her for lurking around a bit and complaining about the game which is met by a "so did you". The difference though is that glork actually has done something that has been useful in some way shape or form, while Izzy I may as well be using a RNG to guess who she thinks is suspicious.
At least I dont have to guess who she thinks is scum though anymore since its socrates for
yeah... im not sure if thats a case or not but ok! Thats really about it though. Not voting right now, as far as I can tell only thinks socra is suspicious for being "anti-town" and suspecting a town read of hers.DizzyIzzyB13 wrote:And Scorates has been consistently opposed to Ifrinn, in his own jerkish, anti-town kinda way.
unvote
Vote Izzy
This is a better wagon then the bv one, and with the extension there might be time to get it done.
Well, that was a helpful, insightful retort to the suspicion being cast your way. Outstanding work there, bv.bv310 wrote:Grab: Dual Pistols
Another jmj post that demonstrates why he's a much worse lynch than bv at this point. Picking up on previous posts and the way he's challenging bv is definitely edging his way towards a town read at the moment.jmj3000 wrote:Ok, bv, you need to quit worrying about your activity level and grabbing items and start answering and responding to the accusations against you. Out of the 3 items that have come up so far, you have grabbed for two of them.
Also, what happened to you doing this? You said you were going to do that 2 weeks ago, and it never surfaced. You just seem to be trying to act like you are town. I've got a feeling you are scum grabbing the items so you can destroy them. I, as town, can't let that happen, so I'm going to be that last person to grab for it.bv310 said in ISO 19 wrote:I'll try and do a Player-by-player and an iso of someone tomorrow. It's a bit late to start reading now.
Grab: Dual Pistols
As for bv, I'd like to add to jmj's point by saying he made that statement about posting something tomorrow and then disappeared for 11 days without so much as a comment on being v/la. This is not symptomatic of lurking town.
I concur with the surprise as to how many items have been made available, and I would like to hear Socrates respond to this and how it atffects how he is interpreting the game, since he appears to diverge from my own opinions as to what it means, especially if this rate is kept up for future days and the fact that players can use abilities gathered from items for as long as they stay alive.DeathNote wrote:I am surprised that so many items have been up for grab no day 1. Do you think it will be this way for all days?
Also, I am for claiming who received items the next day phase, or who didn't for that matter.
I am opposed to claiming on items for the obvious reasons that the longer we can keep players with abilities alive, the more benefit town can get from them and in order for that to happen, we need to ensure that the item holders are treated just like power-roles from regular mafia games, not claiming unless it is absolutely necessary.
Welcome to the game! Why Glork, and why those limitations?Steam-Powered Shovel wrote:Glrok, could you summarize the thread for me in 30 words or less (but at least 20 words)?
P.S. DeathNote asking for a sample Townie PM publicly is not suspicious.
Hey! I'm up to date! Sweet!
vote: bv310. jmj has proven to be useful. He has not, and his response to pressure has been to shut down and deny the town data, without providing any mitigating circumstances. I half expect him to request replacement on the verge of being lynched.ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
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ACK! Double post!
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Oh God, I *loathe* that posting style. It makes it even less likely that people are going to read it, or not what you're talking about because it adds so muhc time and effort that quoting avoids. It's just unfortunate that I got behind enough to need to post something lthat long.almightybob wrote:Although for future reference Dizzy, if you preview your post and see it's a wall, please cut down on the quotes to reduce the overall length. EG where you quote Furry's entire post just to say the case is weak - just say "Furry's <post number> case is weak".
Useful might be the optimistic way of putting it, but he has added something to the discussion, even if it isn't much. For that reason, I don't see how you can justify lynching jmj over bv. I mean... he wouldn't be the worst lynch, but there's an obvious, better lynch available.Also, I disagree with part of your final conclusion. jmj hasn't been useful. He's just been marginally less useless than bv. I would still be happy with a jmj lynch today.ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
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That's a very good question, almightbob. Why are you convinced bv is town, and why do you want to kill him because of it?ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
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That is an interesting interpretation, that nobody else has expressed. Not entirely sure I buy it but it would explain your actions if you're pro-town.almightybob wrote:I don't think he's Town. I think he's scum.
My understanding is that scum will be able to destroy the item at Night. Therefore if we lynched the winning scum during the day, they would not have opportunity to destroy it and the item would revert to Town.
Honestly, it wasn't really a serious suggestion. Killing anyone to get items back at this stage wouldn't work, because it could be anyone of the 4 that has it.
Although one part of it was true - I would not entrust Town-bv with guns.
I have no problems with walls of text. Plus, I really think the extra effort and irritation is something that puts off a lot of players. I know sometimes I'll just entirely ignore posts that do that when I'm not in the mood for them.
I would much rather read something with post numbers than have to read a 30-line post I've already read, just to see the context for a 1-line response.Izzy wrote:Oh God, I *loathe* that posting style. It makes it even less likely that people are going to read it, or not what you're talking about because it adds so muhc time and effort that quoting avoids. It's just unfortunate that I got behind enough to need to post something lthat long.
Maybe that's just me though, I have a fairly good memory so if someone just says "your case on me in post XXX is crap" I'll usually either remember the case or be happy to take the 30 seconds to look it up.ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
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That doesn't change the fact that it's something scum frequently say. It's not a smoking gun, nor the basis for a case but it's something that could certainly be put into the context of a scum case, if the rest of teh evidence is there. It's not for you... yet.Glork wrote:
Not really. You obviously don't understand how extremely fucking lazy I am.DizzyIzzyB13 wrote:
This is the mantra of scum who can't get a wagon they've decided to push going.Glork wrote:Plus, nobody seems to care that Izzy is scum, and I'm currently too dis-interested to make a focused case.ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
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He's also totally make that play as scum. It doesn't mean anything devoid of context either way.Steam-Powered Shovel wrote:
Glrok would totally make that play as town.DizzyIzzyB13 wrote:
That doesn't change the fact that it's something scum frequently say. It's not a smoking gun, nor the basis for a case but it's something that could certainly be put into the context of a scum case, if the rest of teh evidence is there. It's not for you... yet.Glork wrote:
Not really. You obviously don't understand how extremely fucking lazy I am.DizzyIzzyB13 wrote:
This is the mantra of scum who can't get a wagon they've decided to push going.Glork wrote:Plus, nobody seems to care that Izzy is scum, and I'm currently too dis-interested to make a focused case.ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
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If you're wrong (and obviously, if you're town), then you're denying town an ability.bv310 wrote:If the night goes like I plan, then I don't need to worry about an NK. Unless I'm way off base with how this Bile works. Even if I fail, then at least I'm not hurting the town.ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
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Not if you USE it, it doesn't. You would have to use it to be wrong about it.bv310 wrote:
If I'm wrong, then the item goes back up for grabs.DizzyIzzyB13 wrote:
If you're wrong (and obviously, if you're town), then you're denying town an ability.bv310 wrote:If the night goes like I plan, then I don't need to worry about an NK. Unless I'm way off base with how this Bile works. Even if I fail, then at least I'm not hurting the town.ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
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Explain your opinions on lynching claimed power roles.Pomegranate wrote:And why can't scum claim that? They got it, then destroyed it.
The way that he attempted to grab an item once he already had one seems much more likely to come from a mafioso, because a scumbag can destroy multiple things at night, whilst a townie can only use one at a time. a scumbag has the motive to go for a second item; a townie does not.ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
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Items confer abilities for the remainder of the game. bv has claimed posession of an item. This means bv has claimed to have an ability for the length of the game (while he's alive). What else do you think he is?almightybob wrote:
Whoa whoa whoa. Where did I miss bv claiming a power role?DizzyIzzyB13 wrote:Explain your opinions on lynching claimed power roles.ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
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Eeep, I forgot I was voting for bnv...unvoteShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
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Explain why you believe it is a good idea to lynch a claimed power role.jmj3000 wrote:I'm voting bv and not dramonic using my logic because bv has been in this game since the beginning, dramonic just recently replaced in. I don't see any contribution by bv except him just going along with the flow of town and not voicing his own opinions. Also, I'm at L-2, your vote glork is the 8th on me going by the latest vote count.ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
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I believe you're referring to this post following the Bile being awarded.Starbuck wrote:I'm not sure, but I think DN said he didn't get it.
That doesn't seem definitively denying he has it, and it's perfectly possible that the person who did grab it would be asking this question, either because they're unsure as to whether they should claim in light of the earlier discussion, or because they're breadcrumbing a later claim.DeathNote wrote:So the item has already be taken then? Why are we not stating who has it?ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
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What do you mean?DeathNote wrote:I have not claimed to receive an item,nor do I cc BVs claim to get the bile.ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
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Ah, thank you.ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
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That was predictable.ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
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Mmm, this might be a good idea, but I don't think we'd get unanimity on a decision, and I don't think massclaim is a good idea if there are people who object to it.Glork wrote:Part of me is really itching for a mass nameclaim.ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
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There are legitimate reasons to object, not all of which are scummy. Those reasons aren't necessarily appropriate.Socrates wrote:I am curious who would object to it and why.ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
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EBWOP.DizzyIzzyB13 wrote:
There are legitimate reasons to object, not all of which are scummy. Those reasons aren't necessarily appropriate to this game, though.Socrates wrote:I am curious who would object to it and why.ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
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I unvoted.The AI Director wrote:Francis: I hate hospitals.
With 18 alive, it takes 10 votes to lynch.
Deadline: April 1st at 7:00PM.ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
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I would love for people who think an Izzy lynch is actually good play to make a case that goes beyond "Izzy had issues for a while and thus wasn't posting as much as we'd like". Make a case that isn't total fail so I can defend myself against a mislynch and we can move on to catching scum, please.ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
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Furry, you're missing a rather interesting point - almighty bob isn't voting for jmj and had jumped off him to vote for bv but had yet to jump back. Curious.ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
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Also... Furry, I don't think your theory is necessarily applicable to this game, since it assumes that scum could realistically claim to be a power role without getting lynched for it.ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
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No. bv is a claimed power role.almightybob wrote:
Because I felt that bv was a better lynch, so I moved my vote to him.Furry wrote:AMB - Why arent you voting jmj?
Hey wait - if your theory only applies to the first person to be wagoned for a particular reason, then we can have a bv lynch! Right?ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
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If there are no power roles, then scum can hardly claim to be one, can they?Furry wrote:
Im not enitrely sure what you are trying to say hereDizzyIzzyB13 wrote:Also... Furry, I don't think your theory is necessarily applicable to this game, since it assumes that scum could realistically claim to be a power role without getting lynched for it.ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
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If that's the case, can we get a deadline extension if/when we get a replacement.The AI Director wrote:Ifrinn has not picked up prod, and will be replaced if 2nd prod is not answered to. Votecount to come later.ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
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My experience of playing with Glork before has been filled with Snark. I'm pretty sure I've played with him as town and scum, too.Glork wrote:The AI Director wrote:Deadline: April 1st at 7:00PM.
Don't you mean 27 hours?The AI Director wrote:PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:51 pm Post subject: 32Deadline: April 1st at 7:00PM.
Also, me being snarky is a nulltell, though I expect you'll want to hear that from somebody else.ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
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Mmm, if it comes down to a straight choice, I'll take an almightybob wagon over a jmj wagon, but I'm holding off moving my vote 'till I've done a re-read on Bob.ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
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As far as I can tell, this is Furry's "jmj is town" case in full. Please point out if I've missed any posts of him making arguments relevent to this issue.
Furry wrote:Actually if you read them both in iso, jmj has done more to explain his thoughts and suspicions then bv has, even if he refused to vote untill just now. While jmj isnt the epitome of town, he is way behind bv (and at least a handful others) on the list of who I want lynched.Furry wrote:True, but my point of he is actually taking stances stands. Bv has called one player scum on a weak tell from the early game, said the vote was for pressure, and since that point has made no attempts to either flesh out a case, or take a stance on any other player.Furry wrote:Quite a bit of gut really, but if you want me to go through and try and back it up I will. Just something about the way he is playing make me pretty confident he is just town in this situation.Furry wrote:-Slapdash explaination for whoever was asking is that he got wagoned for not doing anything, witholding suspects, etc etc. Him getting wagoned for that (over bv, pom, dram and thatguy, who all read similar) is what makes him town. The one of the large group that gets picked on for a tell they all commited usually is town.Furry wrote:
Its an awesome theory I use that actually works very well.
What's that?Furry wrote:I can even argue the "doomed VT" claim if I feel like it
In scenarios like this one, a vanilla claim isnt going to get a wagon moving off you given the presence of an impending deadline. Most people are from the (stupid) school of "lynch all VT claims", most people at deadline will vote in a way that a lynch is positively ensured, even if it means they are moving against their best judgement. These two factor combined result in the "doomed vanilla town" claim.
Its a claim that will, almost beyond doubt, result in the players lynch given that they claim VT (so half the votes arent moving) and its at deadline (so the other half arent moving). It is actually playing against the scum WC to do this when they could make a move to out a role, or at least out quite a bit of benificial flavor for scum in these types of games.
I have seen this before, I have seen wagons get drug off VTs when people actually realize what is going on, most of the time though we get people like you saying "oh well lets just lynch him" while refusing to really think about what a VT claim means in this situation.
If you want to expand this to another tier we have a quoted PM. If he is scum and it was a fakeclaim, scum just burned one. In some games scum will get fewer then members of the team, so they would have just burned one.
jmj is town, I am completely serious here. Unvote him now. He isnt the epitome of town but that doesnt change his alignment.ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
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He did stuff before that one post you've linked to. It's also curiously nitpicky to dismiss his points just because he hasn't linked to examples of posts that were happening around that point in the game anyway.almightybob wrote:
First quote - never provides any examples, so we have no idea where these explained thoughts and suspicions were. However, from context I suspect she means this post. It's the first time jmj really says anything about who he suspects, and if you'll look closely you'll notice that it's just the regurgitated thoughts and suspicions of what everyone else had said up till that point. I believe Socrates described jmj's suspect list as "the definition of safe".DizzyIzzyB13 wrote:As far as I can tell, this is Furry's "jmj is town" case in full. Please point out if I've missed any posts of him making arguments relevent to this issue.
The first line is about jmj, in the context of a comparison as to why he is less scummy than bv.Second quote - not a post about why jmj is Town, rather a post about why bv is scum.
I can't argue with that. I'm not a fan of the "gut" assertion either, even if it's sometimes the only way to explain something.Third quote - exactly what I've described: saying jmj is Town with no justification apart from a vague reference to his play.
This requires more detail than just dismissing the point.Fourth quote - I disagree with this assertion.
That is a horrifically poor counter argyument. It's not a meta discussion it's a theory discussion, brought up to illustrate why he believes jmj's behaviour fits a predictable pattern that would indicate he is town. How you can dismiss that as being relevent to the jmj discussion is mindboggling.Fifth quote - just a meta discussion, nothing specific to jmj being Town in it.
That's not to say he's right, mind. I don't think he is, particularly in the context of this game. But the manner of your response is just... wrong.ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
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I wish there was a stronger candidate for lynch at this point. There are at least three people who're reading about the same level of scumminess without there being a clear leader and none of them really have much momentum behind them.
Ick.vote: almightybob, I guess. He's the closest to a lynch at the moment, and he's as good a candidate as any at this point. Glork overstates his Amished case and there's always thatguy who's doing a brilliant job of adding nothing to the game. I'd be happy to switch to either of those two in order to get a lynch right now, since a no lynch is a poor result for town at this point.ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
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Any chance of this actually appearing before deadline?thatguy00 wrote:Hey guys, I've been kind of reading over, and I'll get something up tomorrow, just letting you all know, been busy last couple of days. I'm still around, and I'll be active tomorrow.ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
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Why those people in particular? What about dramonic, who's barely added anything after replacing in over a week ago and whose prior incarnations were xofelf who did nothing and CryMeARiver who's a cheat and banned?Socrates wrote:I want to hear some kind of vote related stance from: Ifrinn, Doc, Thatguy, Amished, Pom, and Bv.now
What about DeathNote, who an ISO examination reveals has pretty much just defended himself over the whole PM request thing and expressed very few opinions so far?
You neglected both of those, despite the fact they've been posting with little to no content. Surely you'd want opinions from them, too?ShowDizzyIzzyB13: For the record, I /ghooked Cogitate :p
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