While I'm playing catcup with the almost forty page day 1 thread (seriously, I mean seriously) someone(s) want to give me some summation?
SWN II: The Curse of the Nekomata (Game over!)
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Ohh hay hows about someone catch me up because after starting a reread and then realizing we've got different languages and a billion PR's WELLL.
And, fyi, I have a post restriction. It isn't active...yet.
So, because no one wants to be a helper I am officially 2kool4skool and bandwagoning to end this mess.
Vote: Syke-
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Anon is probably town.
MME is probably town.
Doc doesn't warrant the wagon.
If I had a bullet I'd be shooting one of these other languages in the face. Or, perhaps sending the mod a lot of money to shoot all of them in the face.
I will say right now that I will hammer without question any of them on pure spite.
Go look at SaintKerrigan and CSL in ISO. Then look at what page we are on. Then, lynch them.-
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You had a slight town read on Saint?
Really?
After looking at the reasons for the votes and the timing no way in hell.
This is only exacerbated by CSL's "play".
I'm only on 13 fyi - after looking at SK a little I ISO'd then saw the replacement and looked at that and went "What are these chuckleheads doing?"-
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Well, I'm all caught up.
Seriously. This is such a giant ball of :headdesk: I don't even know where to begin.
But, I'll try.
1.) There all but HAS to be two scumteams (or anti town factions / whatever) because otherwise I flat out DONT UNDERSTAND THIS GAME AHRHRHRHARHEHRHGH. Reading this in one fell swoop has been an exercise in mind-breakingly weird behavior. Such as:
2.) Why in the name of blue blazes when a cop claims a specific in a large game on day 1 do half of you start salivating like wolves at the idea oflynching them this day? Especially when:
3.) We've got players who in 40 pages have less than 10 posts. Again. In 40 pages less than 10 posts. And this is a-ok because instead of dealing with that:
4.) Meta cases are not good. Calling out a meta-defense of a meta case (when what in the hell else are you going to do?) is also not good. CLOGGING DOZENS OF PAGES WITH THIS DISCUSSION IS ENOUGH TO MAKE HULK SMASH especially when:
5.) I'd eat a hat if all those multi-language PR's are real. It would be too easy to sneak one in.
You should be ashamed. This may be one of the best debacles I've walked into. Of course, at least there is some joy - I've got me enough town reads that its time for.....
THE UNBREAKABLE ALLIANCE
@Anon, FishytheFish, Kairyuu, LlamaFluff, My Milked Eek, sykedoc:
It is time for us to fix this. It is time for the world to be ran under our fist.
We move as one. We think as one. We are one. We are brothers in arms against threats that no single person can stand against. Together we shall purge this land with noose and fire. Separate we are weak, together we are invincible. Until only we remain, we shall be vigilant for our brothers.
That said, personally I think CSL is a better lynch than RBT by a small margin (nothing like every post being a response to prod / reread after replacing a power-wagonneer). However, I am willing to compromise:
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And oddly enough CSL was skating by like a champ whereas at least RBT was starting to get SOME pressure.
I'd totally prefer a CSL the more I think about it. I am content with a RBT.
Posts by people not voting for these two (unless, of course, it is with a vote) is tantamount to claiming scum as far as I'm concerned at this point. 40 pages, my lord. 40 bad, bad pages.-
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@Syke:
I knew one of, if not both of you, would take umbrage to that.
Now, look back objectively and pretend you are a third party. Anon's statements (while based in meta BLAH) make sense as does his continued surprise and irritation when it doesn't take ground in a way that is hard to fake. It, really, is a pretty town case.
Now, of course, I think its wrong as can be seen from your total irritation with what happened. While I don't agree with some of the things you've done the overall feel is a town banging his head against a case.
So, yea, give each other high fives, join THE UNBREAKABLE ALLIANCE and lets just go ahead and let the blood flow.-
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Remember, my brothers in arms:
If we join in and move as one we all but control the destiny. A CSL lynch isn't just possible, but almost guaranteed. We are many. We are one. We are legion.-
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Holy hell guys, I leave for half a day and come back to THIS.
I'm... soo happy.
If ani isn't toying around (which I would be shocked and or awed about) then he is UNBREAKABLE.
Fishy raises the point and although the alliance is my idea at this juncture I am outvoted and, if, if ani doesn't kill RBT right there I'll be throwing the hammer.
Move FFFF up to the list of those who will face our wrath.
As well as an itch on anyone complaining about directing PR's.
Although, I will go so far as to say: I wouldn't waste a cop investigation on CSL - because, if IF IF he's innocent (which from the basis of our cop claim thus far is only half-innocent) and its not Panama-arama that does the investigation.... you'd be claiming to save CSL.
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Because, depending on how a few things go, you may be getting a rope good sir.
Of course, you know I can't tell you what these things are or how they would have to go at this point.
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You really think that if the moons align and you have to be lynched I'd try to do it on a wink and a nudge son?
There's a lot of little pieces that aren't anything at this point. Overall I've got good vibes but a few itches that would need to be scratched before you were UNBREAKABLE.
Like, ya know, 5-6 lynches.-
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Syke is a gut call. I'm not gonna argue that.Unless these guys are all town, which I doubt. No offense, Spyrex.
I'm not even going to dance the dance of the sugar plum fairy with Doc too much but:
If you believe Pana, chances are high there are two scumgroups. Even if I was mad-out ballsy scum, the other scum group as the game progresses HAS to get rid of me.
So, lynching me to prove my towniness isn't a productive use of the lynch by any stretch.
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Thus the ALLIANCE is weakened.
Two members dead? Coincidence? Doubtful.
Alas, it is not enough. We will not be stopped. We will not be dissuaded.
Vote: Deathnote.
Syke is untouchable.
Parama, are you UNBREAKABLE?-
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Alrighty, I can dig taking "cop claims" seriously. Much like how yesterday's rabid pile of wolves attacking Parama after the claim was suspect, they need to be treated with a grain of salt.Ivy wrote:I fear the lynch is misguided. I take cop claims in any shape or form. Very seriously. I vill not participate in this lynch until i see a well structured case.
If DN wanted to stay alive he could have easily claimed "greek back up cop" or "american back up cop". Instead he takes a shot in the dark? LOL. Someone explain this to me? Logic it does not make.
Parama lies.
Ivy.
Yet, this is a backup claim.
You know what's awesome to do with backup claims from shady players under strange circumstances? Lynch the hell out of them. On top of my not believing this for a bit, even if its true it gives some insight into what we're dealing with.
Even more interesting is the "I take cop claims very seriously." - "Protect the backup cop" - "Votes for the other claimed cop"
And by interesting I mean seriously whaa
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I want DN gone today.
However, I DO NOT want ani to shoot DN at this point. I thought we talked about this yesterday - a mafia goon is fo' sho going to claim a PR because if ani takes that shot bye-bye vig. And, of course, under normal circumstances there is a huge hesitation to lynch claimed PR's (and doubly so for cops) as is.
On the other hand, there are a few people I'd sure like to see get the rope too and having ani take a blind shot at them could end up just as bad.
Those that need los ropos:
- DN
- FFFF
- Poision Ivy
- wolf
Those people that are on the verge of becoming UNBREAKABLE:
- Rifka
- Mae-
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Yes, you need to expand.
P.S. be glad ani has that bullet and not me because I probably would have shot you for that OR for asking if it needed explanation versus just explaining.
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The saddest part is I knew deep in the back of my head this would be the rationale. I should listen to those little demons that go "SpyreX, a cop is about to claim for the backup if you say this. Be warned"
How does that = Panaramalammadingdong is lying?
Remember, you could also be naive. Or its some bizarro-miller or ????.
As it sits, le sigh. I don't know if untangling the gordian-cop-knot is worth it at this point.
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I think its fairly safe to say those kills were all anti-town. Or it damn well better be.
Claiming backup as russian goon is a tech move. It eitehr gets you shot by the vig dampening him or gets the cop to be your vehement defender.
However, it also works just like that if its the truth.
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WHY
Who is this giant list of people. WHO.
I swear, if he flips cop and you just shot him in the face on day 2 in a large game-
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Yo mod please fix my breaking skillz yo.
Needless to say (I might be away for a bit):
IF Paramamra flips town go back, look at who wolved on him after the claim. Pick one. They're getting lynched today.-
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Pom may be moving up the lynchin' train depending.
Like I said though, not totally around today - if that flip is town I expect the ALLIANCE to have delivered to me a wolf from D1 after the claim.-
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See, since my ALLIANCE is being lazy its been left to me to go a lookin at post Parama's claim:
Starbuck wrote:Because "I'm a goddamn cop, k?" comes off to me as you not really being the cop.Dramonic wrote: For a cop you sure try to get lynched.
You know, I think you might have forgotten the "scum role-" part of your claim RazzAmished wrote:I'm not buying it. I'm getting better at differentiating between scum and cops especially (since it's such a popular fake claim) and I see way more scum behavior than cop behavior.Rifka wrote: Offhand i would say leave him cause if he is telling the truth the scum have no choice but to kill him and even if he is scum cop his own scum have to act on his info at some point. Therefore he is dead no matter what now.Pom wrote: When someone plays mediocre but gets run up to a claim for some stupid reason, he might escape the lynch with a claim. But when someone says "Haha, wagon me all you want, because I'm not getting lynched" the claim doesn't change as many people's minds. Just so you know.
So, taking a look at the quick responses to that claim:Llama wrote:unvote
I think that claiming a faction specific cop isnt something that scum would do in this game. Im betting on a higher chance of there being no Greek mafia (see bastard mod game) then Parama being scum. Too many major pitfalls for scum to make that claim.
Need to do a little reading to see where I need to move my vote first.
Rifka gets super A+++.
LLama gets a smiley face.
The rest of those get barfey-faces of some level.
Pom gets the least as of now.
Dramonic gets a bit worse.
I would totally, TOTALLY, put a bullet through Starbuck or Amished though.
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And ani you're makin it real hard to not want to neuter you since yesterday AFTER THE CLAIM YOU SAID:
(Hint: Parama was the fat lynch at this point. The guy you shot today.)I don't understand any of these lynches.
And as for Kai?
----Kai wrote:PFFFFT. DN's claim reeks. Shoot him ani.
Needless to say, half-cocked again and I'll make it my only goal to make sure you get lynched. Town consensus for your shots is fine (as is taking a shot yourself if it makes sense). Half-cocked and not looking at what's happening AND then just kinda shrugging it off smells of SK.
I don't particularly like that smell.
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K, its time to push this a direction and then parse out a good DK as well.
I am torn on DN - if he's lying about backup he's gonna be vanilla.
Ivy, whom I'll be removing my vote from, is probably town (or balls of steel scum with DN).
So, lets get serious.
Unvote, Vote: FeFiFoFum-
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I'm not voting for you...yet.
But, no, in a large game with that kind of claim pushing that wagon goes beyond just :headdesk: to scummy.
Parama (10): LlamaFluff,Riceballtail,Fishythefish, FeFiFoFum, RichardGHP, DocPotter, Amished, dramonic, Pomegranate, sykedoc
That wagon at its apex had 10 people on it. With multiple scumgroups I'd bank fat and hard on there being at least 3 scum on it.
FFFF and I'd all but guarantee at LEAST one of:
(Amished, dramonic, Pomegranate)
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It must be springtime, because you sure have some bees in your bonnet.
Its not a pattern:
1.) Its a function of that garbage that was day 1.
2.) Its a function of multiple scum groups lending to more scum being on fat wagons like that.
I'm glad I am pro too.
I'm also glad how much that has to do with anything.
Much like these little snipes.
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FFFF is a function of the absolute lack of play.
If DN is lying, there's a high chance he is vanilla because that claim is designed to draw a shot. Him being vanilla mafia neuters the vig.
OHHHH you thought I meant vanilla town. Hahaha no.
At 10? Normally I'd only expect 2. In this, at least 3.
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At this point I'm still lynching individually scummy players. When the knots untie and there is less madness AND I have the gumption to re-read AGAIN that terrible day 1 I'd look.
Its early enough a scum is a scum is a scum. Notice I've never made ANY statement about anyone in relation to a specific scumgroup.-
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My understanding, and the way I'm rolling with it, is that Ani loses his power if he hits someone without a power role or with a post restriction.
This is tangential at best, though to important matters.-
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Ohh you've gotta be kidding me.
The argument is "two shots have been on town?" and somehow that equals I'm scum?
Well, case closed. Nothing more to do here.
Except, ya know, that one of those shots absolutely shouldn't have been taken.
Of course if this is the route power-vig wants to go shoot me and be done with it. This, as it sits, is going to STILL be an uphill struggle.
With the new knowledge about how vigging works - shoot DN. Let that clear a few pieces up.
FFFF coming out like this only strengthens my resolve to see the dangling. The fact that ani takes a bad shot, blames it on people wanting it that didn't and now is holding hands with FFFF is, in entirety, a bad situation.
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I still want DN to take a bullet.
In a perfect world I'd machine gun down dramonic and pom and probably Amished as well depending on how it went.
FFFF's jumping out at me is tech and all, but a rope suffices.-
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@Anon, FishytheFish, Kairyuu, LlamaFluff, My Milked Eek, sykedoc:
Additionally:
If ani isn't toying around (which I would be shocked and or awed about) then he is UNBREAKABLE.
Parama, are you UNBREAKABLE?
Those people that are on the verge of becoming UNBREAKABLE:
- Rifka
- Mae
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See the above, do NOT SHOOT ANYMORE OF THEM THANKS IN ADVANCE-
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@Spy - I petition RV to join unbreakable, he is in my top 5-non CSL partner, argueably top 3 (not to mention one of your unbreakables surprises me but im not getting into that right now). Mae only gets there if FFFF flips scum. Untill then just gets the "weak town read" stamp.
Just weak? I've got good vibes from Mae, which is amazing considering anyone else speaking moonwords makes me want them shot in the face.-
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I like how the drunk makes more sense than most.
As an aside - anyone know if Starbuck is around and just avoiding this game?
If not, thats another decent lynch/shot.
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God I'm exhausted and I will be posting more in here tomorrow.
DN flipping backup is not a bad in the truest of senses. Ivy gets those warm vibes.
I'm really not sure what to do with the UK situation.
UNBREAKABLES or not, this weird act with Kai showing up and ani shooting is really starting to freak me out. A lot.
And, I didn't catch up on the hulabaloo, but FFFF claimed BP?-
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Sorry, to be clear its more paranoia on ani's side.Apparently the fact that ani shot DN after I pointed out that several members of the alliance still supported the shot is rubbing SpyreX the wrong way. Unsure of why though.
Multiple people go: SHOOT X
Nothing happens.
Kai posts: SHOOT X
X gets shot.
Between that and blaming the Paramama shot on Kai specifically AND both times going "well gee golly look at these towns makin me shoot the wrong people" well...-
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So its the FIRST and LAST?
Hmm. (Notice I haven't unvoted yet, but I probably will be).
That means before any more votes on there for sure I'd like Kai and Rifka to unvote / revote.-
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No, really, look at this:
You're highly suspicious of me for anevent that has not happened yet.
Chances are he's absolutely full of it. On the chance he isn't, there is absolutely no reason to leave people I want alive there.
I haven't moved my vote because, until I can figure out who the hell I want to potentially take a bullet aside from Pom-hammer, I'd rather it be me for *mysterious reasons*
So, in return:OMGUS FoS for post 1853-
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Yes, I'm willing to gamble on the first spot.
IF I AM WRONG AND THUSLY DEAD:
Alliance, please wipe the board on Dram / Pom / Amished in the near future. Dram especially (I'll guarantee that FFFF and dram are not the same scumteam but).
Give ani like 2-3 more shots and then vanilla him.
Do not, and I swear to god, end up with another fat stack of pages. Move with a purpose and move fast.
That said, I'd prefer Pom hammer. Starbuck chiming in wanting to risk it is really hairy though.-
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Does this mean UK is a jester now FFS?
And unless someone takes credit for those kills (which I'm not saying is going to happen) I HAVE to assume ani is legit and we're looking at 3 anti town factions. Or something.
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I'd rather have ani scum then 3 anti factions.
Of course, the ONLY way I can think of that working well would be sets of 3 which means we've hurt one, all but neutered the other...and the third is still flyin' high.-
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