Teleportation Mafia Universe ONE (MAFIA A WINS!)
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Hmm, actually, the idea of using the teleporter as an extra lynch is kinda cool. We could potentially cast two different types of votes, one for the lynch and one for the teleport. In that way, it almost becomes a scumhunting competition between the universes, in that we want to teleport our scum out before they send us theirs.
In that system, if and when one town wins, which players have been teleported can potentially be highly informative.-
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This is also a good point.Elmo wrote:I think Jack's point is quite interesting. While there's 3 of a mafia group alive, they'd probably kill in the universe where they had 2 members if they were split (unless they thought they'd be teleported out soon). If there were only two mafia alive, though, they might switch if they had better chances over there. So if we either teleported one and lynched one, or teleported two, we might not get a nightkill here, which would be a big win. That's if the other town don't send us any wee beasties, of course.
Well, I'm not sure if it counts as using their strategy against them (that implies a little more devilishness on our part), but playing the game competitively, where we try to pull their pro-town looking players and teleport our scummy ones, seems like a good idea to me.-
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Not sure I agree with this. A town-directed teleport is much more informative in terms of the interactions between players. Plus, the teleporter always retains the ability to use their own judgement.Jack wrote:
I agree. Letting the teleporter decide for themselves actually gives the mafia some motivation to eliminate the people who suspect them, unless they want to be transported...DeathRowKitty wrote: Basically, I think it's better we just let the teleporters do what they want.
In addition, there isn't necessarily that strong a drive for scum to eliminate those who suspect them (in any case not more so than in any other game). After all, there is only one teleporter and scum do have a 1-shot in case of emergencies.-
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mykonian, your reasoning doesn't take into account the fact that exchanging scum with Universe 2 creates the possibility of a mafia cross-kill. This means that there is a real advantage to teleporting, assuming that the exchanges roughly even out otherwise.
The only real question, I think, is whether we direct the teleport or leave it up to teleporter.
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Unvote: fishythefish,
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If they shoot an extra townie in one universe, they shoot no townie in the other universe. So, on average, this balances out. A cross-kill, however, is unambiguously good for town.mykonian wrote:Yay, cross kills! How often do those happen during the start of the game, and is the chance that mafia shoots each other worth the confusion? Is it worth the risk they may shoot an extra towny in this universe, etc?
Well yeah, but the same is true of a lynch. I mean, probably leaving up to the teleporter is the way to go, since having to vote for it would be a hassle. But, in principle, it would buy us a lot of info.mykonian wrote:And what PR is being directed from the start of the game? May I remember you that scum could influence it too then, for their own use? The teleporter is 100% town, lets keep the teleportation 100% town too.-
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Kairyuu wrote:@both universes(please quote): Teleporters should NOT claim now if we're going with this plan, and synchronized Night's actually ruin the plan. If the teleporters both claim now, then when one game goes to Night, that game's teleporter will be killed while grabbing the other one. It will be more beneficial to the town that lynches first, but will completely screw the second town to lynch out of their confirmed townie. Instead, the town that lynches second should wait until the first town goes to Night before claiming. Then they will be pulled over. Then, the second town should wait until the first town leaves Night . . . fuck. This plan doesn't actually work unless the two towns are on a different teleportation schedule. In that case, the first town to lynch should function on a P:T:T sequence, and the second should function on a T:P:T sequence, or a No action:P:T:T sequence (first is preferred). It should work out in the end. The only risk is that the second game ends before the second pull is used, but it's the only way to make this actually feasible.-
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Nicodemus wrote:@Anon: I'll just give you the hypotheical situation below.
Universe 1 goes into night ahead of us. This means that if U2's teleporter claims, the teleporter in U1 can teleport him into U1 at night, and scum won't be able to NK him (because preference is given to the universe which exits the day first). This way, U1 will enter D2 with a completely confirmed townie on their side, and will also dictate the scum kill N2 (unless they want to leave a confirmed alive).
Then, on D2 the actions are reversed - U2 will enter Night ahead of U1, so that U1's teleporter can claim and be teleported into U2. Now U2 has a completely confirmed townie as well, and thus the scum's NK is dictated for N3.
Since the mod has informed us that the pattern of teleports/pulls must be maintained throughout the game, neither side will get a confirm on D3, but the cycle will start again on D4 and D5.
This seems like the way to go and it's pretty straightforward.Kairyuu wrote:@Nicodemus(love the name btw .. it's what I named my pet rat when I was a kid): Unfortunately, the cycle doesn't repeat until D5 and D6 (N4 and N5), but you're right with everything else.
As for the teleportations, I say we leave that up to whoever is the teleporter at the time. Personally, I think we should leave that up to the teleporter, so that we don't have to argue about it, but it seems the consensus is to send scummy people (which, of course, means we'll be getting Universe 1's scummy people, creating a loop of pointlessness, but I digress).
Now, let's hunt scum.
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Well, I felt like, in 109 (quoted below), you were sorta drumming up support for the Gayle wagon without committing to it. That can be a scum move. I mean, there were only like three votes on Gayle at the time, so there's no reason to withhold it.Raskol wrote:The fact that you chose me out of the four people that have posted since game start without voting is interesting---those being myself, mykonian, DGB, Ojanen.
Any particular reason for that?
@mykonian: I don't see how I'm hiding about kairyuu. I just think it's about time to pick a strategy and his latest one seemed to make sense.Raskol wrote:
You would prefer maybe random voting? Jokes about avatars?Gayle wrote:There is really nothing I can say to defend myself from "Finding the strategy discussion irritating is scummy". I maintain that it is pointless to continue the strategy discussion.
Strategy discussion is necessary because what strategy we follow later, if any, will determine how likely it is that we'll reach our win conditions. For that reason, it's kinda important, you know?
In any case, you don't seem to be trying very hard to bring up something different to talk about.
Re my scum tells: It's been a long time since I played as scum, so I don't fully remember, but I definitely like busing my scumbuddies. That's fun. Other than that, I tend to be more cautious with my vote. When I'm town, I have very strong gut feelings about people and that's difficult to fake. So, if I'm using more intuition than sense, that's usually a sign that I'm town.-
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This post feels... off. As farside22 points out, sharing scum tells is not anti-town. Even if it did help scum in some way, it also helps the town find scum.DrippingGoofball wrote:Wut?
Someone is asking what my scumtells are (along with everyone else's?)
No way. Why should I tell scum what they should avoid doing?
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That's not what you said in the first post, though. You implied that everyone sharing their scum tells would be bad for the town. Of course everyone is free to not list theirs, that's a different issue. But anyway.DrippingGoofball wrote:You'll find out my scumtells as I point them out. I point them out as they are being committed. I'm not laying down lists of scumtells. Ever.
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Well, you were putting the focus on her and you have to realise, regardless of whether you say you were suspicious of Gayle, you were fuelling the wagon with it.Raskol wrote:I'm not sure how you managed to interpret that post as meaning I think Gayle is scum. Just because I disagree with someone about something doesn't mean I suspect them of being mafia. In the future, know that when I think someone is scummy, I'll say so clearly.
Your professed opinion of Gayle doesn't matter so much. What was scummy is that you were fuelling the wagon without expressing it. That means that, at some later point, you can do exactly this: "oh, but I don't think Gayle is scum, I justdisagree with her logic." Or, if the wagon picks up, you've established a possible precedent for joining it.
I essentially agree with this, though it's a weak town-tell at best. It's more of a null tell in this case, IMO.Raskol wrote:To clear things up, at this point I have no particular suspicion of gayle. In fact, being willing to take what could be seen as a lazy, anti-town stance is something I regard as a town-tell on the whole (it depends on how it's done ofc, but in this case I think gayle seems more town than not). Most newish scum aren't likely to do something that goes against the grain from what I've seen, especially early on in the game.-
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Still like my Raskol vote, though I don't think his Fish vote wasthatbad.
DGB is making no sense to me.
As farside points out, even using her own logic, her conclusions don't follow.
That said, I've always found her very hard to read. From what I remember from way back when, she's always kinda all over the place and she's definitely a gut-based player. So I'm not convinced yet that there is a very strong case there.-
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Well, DGB as I remember her is a gut player, especially on day 1, which I find hard to read. But there are a few things I do look for. Gut is erratic, so you look for rapid changes of heart. Going after one player really hard for some time and then suddenly backing off on the basis of one townie-looking comment. That sort of thing. Paradoxically, relying heavily on logic can also be a scum tell (because it indicates an absence of gut feelings). Finally, if my gut reads are the same, that's usually a sense of pro-townness.Ojanen wrote:@evilsnail: how do you go about attempting to read DGB?
In this game, I feel her logic about the scum tell question could be a tell of the second type, but that's about all I have on her so far.-
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I'm not seeing the elvis_knits case. The only thing that resembles a tell is the "claiming town" thing, but, as Plum pointed out, this is far from reliable. In addition, given what elvis was discussing at the time, it's perfectly natural to mention.
To start off, more info and more interaction always helps town. Unless the question is about your favourite type of fruit (pears), you're going to get something out of it. More importantly, a town player has every reason to answer the question (helps avoid mislynches), while scum has every reason not to. Evasiveness or deliberate vagueness can therefore be a tell.Rhinox wrote:
How so? I don't think it does.evilsnail wrote: This post feels... off. As farside22 points out, sharing scum tells is not anti-town. Even if it did help scum in some way, it also helps the town find scum.
FOS: DGB
Look, even if we suppose that scum are going to be able to come up with a coherent list of scum tells and then consistently behave in the exact opposite way throughout the game, you have 1) a point of reference and 2) you've put scum at a disadvantage, because you've forced them into a particular playing style, making them more likely to slip up in other areas.
The more I think about this, the more ridiculous it seems to me that anyone can think that answering this question hurts the town and the more I'm starting to become suspicious of the motives of those who have treated it as a serious tell.-
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Maybe if xyz are morons.
I'm sorry, but the scenario you're describing is spectacularly unlikely. ABCD are all picking up on some reliable town read that xyz for some reason have no awareness of? This tell, so elusive for scum, is somehow still so reliable that ABCD will not ever doubt it and change their minds. In addition, xyz somehow decide to all go after the same player together, without any plausible suspect action by F and build their case so poorly that ABCD are entirely unconvinced and stick to their town read. In addition, ABCD all recognise that not having this mysterious, magical town read on F means that xyz are scum.
More likely is x goes after F, y waffles on the issue and z disagrees. A changes his mind and goes after F too, B doesn't see what the big deal is and FOSes y for waffling, C is lurking, D is too caught up in his case on A to care and F OMGUSes x after a long drawn-out discussion with x over the minutiae of the discussion after which everyone else, including y and z, is too confused to be able to tell either way. At the end of the day, the only impression anyone is left with is that F did something scummy and this, coupled with F's unimpressive claim, ensures a sloppy mislynch of F when the deadline rolls around.-
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ABR and DGB seem to be engaged in some sort of personal battle here, which doesn't make it easier to judge their alignment.
That said, I'm starting to see the case on DGB much more than the case on ABR. I haven't really seen anything in ABR's play to worry me unduly. He wasn't contributing much early on, but there are plenty of people who play like that even as town. For DGB, I think the way she has pushed the scum tell issue is at least a tell. She's been inconsistent about it and the logic of it doesn't add up.
I still agree with my original assessment of elvis_knits. Her frustration seems quite genuine and I don't think the case on her was ever really solid. I think someone asked at some point why I think I her town. Well, she spotted the same Raskol tell I did and I've pretty much found myself agreeing with her reasoning throughout the thread (which is usually a good sign).
Here is my little scumlist atm:
DGB - I haven't really found myself agreeing with her much. Either she's scum or our gut feelings are totally different. In addition, the way she continues to read way too much into the scum tell question. This (and her inconsistency in it) is definitely a point against her.
Raskol - Still think he's scummy, but I thought the way he backed off elvis_knits was more likely to be a townie move.
Fishythefish - I don't know, getting a bad gut feeling from his posts. He was very wishy-washy about a supposed slip by myko at some point and his initial Gayle vote was a bit off. Mostly this is gut, though.-
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Logically then the conclusion should that it was a null tell. Instead, you appeared to entertain both options, as if giving yourself the option of drawing both conclusions (e.g. by at a later date going "on closer inspection, it seems more likely to be a scum slip").Fishythefish wrote:There are clearly two explanations for myk's slip - it was a scumslip or an alignment neutral slip. To entertain them both as possibilities isn't "wishy-washy". I stated my conclusion - that I view it as a decent point against myk - and I don't really see how I could have been more concrete.
You seemed to vote her for wanting to cut off strategy discussion. Sure, this is hardly a pro-town strategy, but not one that is significantly more likely to be pushed by scum, IMO. So, this vote could have been scum trying to create suspicion where there needn't be any. As I said, though, most of this is a gut feeling.Fishythefish wrote:What do you find off about my Gayle vote? I've got something to say on this when you've answered.-
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Obviously it is linked to likelihood. I realise that. That's just a matter of logic. But there was no assessment of likelihood in his post. That leaves his conclusions open to manipulation. It doesn't matter how informative his post was. That very focus on information and listing arguments for both points of view without a clear assessment of the consequences is what makes it scummy.mykonian wrote:No, that makes no sense. Nothing tells you both explanations are just as likely. If you analyse the situation, using both explanations, and you look at the likelyhood of these explanations, then you can truly say how effective an argument based on this situation is.-
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ABR wanting to lynch DGB with the claim is pretty scummy. If the claim is false, it will come out anyway. There's no pro-town reason that doesn't involve being the mason to push for a DGB lynch.
FOS: ABR
This is awful.CSL wrote:Well, it seems that ABR is going to get lynched.
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Wrong. I don't really think the case against ABR is that strong otherwise. In addition, his desire to lynch you regardless of the claim could have some basis in the personal vendetta he seems to have against you. I'm not going to vote ABR without a stronger case. Make of that what you will.DrippingGoofball wrote:The votecount is L-3 because I unvoted to make sure that ABR doesn't self-vote, with some help from his buddy.
Evilsnail FOS'ing ABR, the vote leader, while acknowledging all the reasons we find him scummy, then voting CSL, who is way less awful than ABR and a wong that's not happening today, and may be our teleporter (unfortunately), is beyond the pale and cannot possibly come from a townie.-
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Also, your supposed "teleporter tell" makes no sense. Why would a teleport not mind being NKed but beseech the town not to be lynched? This is the one thing guaranteed not to happen, since the teleporter is basically confirmed innocent once claimed.
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What's your point? That I'm consistent?DrippingGoofball wrote:
^^^^ Time to draw your own conclusions, everyone!evilsnail AS recently as february 3 wrote:[...] I'm starting to see the case on DGB much more than the case on ABR.I haven't really seen anything in ABR's play to worry me unduly. He wasn't contributing much early on, but there are plenty of people who play like that even as town.
I hadn't made up my mind about CSL at that point. He hadn't posted a lot yet. I'm not voting for anyone on that list (although Raskol and fishythefish are still my main suspects), because I don't think it's constructive considering the upcoming deadline. That's why I changed my vote.DrippingGoofball wrote:
QUIZ:evilsnail AS recently as february 3 wrote:Here is my little scumlist atm:
DGB- I haven't really found myself agreeing with her much. Either she's scum or our gut feelings are totally different. In addition, the way she continues to read way too much into the scum tell question. This (and her inconsistency in it) is definitely a point against her.
Raskol- Still think he's scummy, but I thought the way he backed off elvis_knits was more likely to be a townie move.
Fishythefish- I don't know, getting a bad gut feeling from his posts. He was very wishy-washy about a supposed slip by myko at some point and his initial Gayle vote was a bit off. Mostly this is gut, though.
Which player is missing from evilsnail's scumlist, given that he's just voted him (basically for voting ABR) and should be there? There's a cookie!
But whatever. I doubt this is going to affect your opinion of my play. I can't seem to post anything without you thinking it's scummy.-
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On the CSL issue, I agree with this and I think I said something similar Day 1. Him not being NKed is a null tell, IMO, especially when there are other reasons to be suspicious of CSL.Raskol wrote:Just went through CSL in iso, and it requires quite a stretch to get to the idea that he softclaimed teleporter. He mentioned getting NK'ed, but only in the context of saying that he would be happy just living through Day 1 (ie, not getting lynched for once).
So...the "why is he still alive?" line of thought isn't terribly convincing to me.
Eh, some games require little thought, while others have 43 pages to sift through.mykonian wrote:a point against Evilsnail is that he is quite active in a mini (at least, I see his name there quite often as last post), while there is little action here.FoS Evilsnail.
Fishythefish is pretty much right here.Fishythefish wrote:@myko: what else would scum-elli do except scumhunt? Pretty much his only chances of winning are either getting back to U2 or reducing U1 scum. I'd say the latter is well worth his while. I do agree that supposing he's going to be a serious protown force here is optimistic.
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Not voting on the beginning of Day 1 is only a scum tell because it's the RVS.
The only reason I'm not as involved as I should be is because the thread is huge and I'm having trouble getting my head around it. This coupled with the fact that I've been quite busy of late.
I have a fairly clear sense of who's town. I have good feelings about elvis, farside, Ojanen and pops. Scum: you, CSL, fishythefish. But, to be honest, my cases are fairly weak.
You I mainly have a bad feeling about still because your vote feels a bit OMGUSy and your pattern of involvement isn't much better than mine. Sure, I posted some theory-related fluff, but most of that was early on. And your vote on me keeps your hands as clean as mine.-
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I've had some trouble keeping up with the game, fine. As you yourself have just said, posting theory is easy, scumhunting is hard. Why can't the same be true for me? That's totally hypocritical. You can at least give me the chance to be more active today.Fishythefish wrote:evilsnail I really don’t like. Reading him in iso, there’s a huge amount of stuff which falls into the categories of null reads, discrediting other points, calling people town, strategy discussion of the kind that reads protown but doesn’t really say anthing, weakening his own points with equivocal reads, and other assorted things which don’t commit him in any way to any serious reads. He’s leaving himself in a position to vote CSL, myko and myself – perhaps the three easiest lynches in the game right now. His play feels like trying to stay under the radar and be in a position to get a town lynch. I really think he is scum.
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How do I leave myself in a position to vote you and myko? Myko I haven't attacked at all. You I have a gut feeling about, which goes back to Day 1, before there was any real pressure on you. So that statement is basically a lie.
In addition, if there's anyone who's leaving himself in a position to jump on the available wagons, it's you. You just fingered me, pops and CSL in the same post. Everything you accuse me of you do yourself in the same post.
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Well, I think I actually have more posts than you and you're also exaggerating a little. I have taken a stance on elvis, DGB, ABR, CSL and various wagons. Sure, I should have posted more, but me having trouble keeping up with the game Day 1 is hardly a good reason to vote me. You're conveniently ignoring the fact that I've said a number of times that I was pretty busy in RL.Raskol wrote:You've made exactly one vote all game, and only a pretty low percentage of your posts actually contain anything that serves to encourage or discourage a lynch of anyone. You've taken few stances and made few connections, either pro or con, with almost anyone. This is a kind of play that makes it very hard to pin anything on you, if you're scum, and if you're town, hurts your effectiveness. Assuming you're relatively competent means I'm inclined to think you're more likely to be scum overall.-
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Well, you can "feel" that all you want, it's not true. I should know. I haven't actively avoided taking a stance. As I've noted, I've not withheld my opinion on the major wagons, like DGB, ABR and CSL.Fishythefish wrote:1. You don't really address the main reasons I find you scummy there. I feel your play actively avoids taking stances on who is scum. I don't feel you don't have the time/energy/ability to scumhunt - I feel like you aren't trying.
Well, neither did I really. I came out thinking my Raskol vote was still a good one, so I asked him a question to see if that read holds up. Then you posted this terrible vote, so I voted you.Fishythefish wrote:2. This is the point - you haven't given a good reason for any of your three suspicions, and are in a position to jump on any of their wagons, saying that you think them scummiest. Until you just voted me, I had no idea who you found scummiest.
It is. It means your case is insincere.Fishythefish wrote:4. Hypocrisy isn't a scumtell.-
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Geez, you're really taking this and running with it, aren't you? Granted, I joined the CSL wagon, but it's not true of other wagons. For DGB, I FOSed her the moment she said sharing scum tells was a scum tell, before there was any real suspicion on her. I then said that I considered this a mild scum tell, but that I have trouble reading her. This opinion went unchanged throughout the day. This is merely consistency. For ABR, it is also clearly not true. I also resisted the elvis vote, though this never really picked up. In fact, I've only jumped on a wagon once.Fishythefish wrote:The part about those being the easiest lynches was factually wrong, though. CSL is an easy target, but snail's suspicions on me mostly predate everyone else's, and I was wrong in thinking he was voicing suspicions of myko. This doesn't do much to weaken my overall point - reading snail's iso, he's always left himself in a position to change BWs easily, including around all major BWs. Part of this is that he's voiced no suspicions with reasons, while producing lots of posts that read like content.
Btw, I haven't even made "lots of posts." And please show me some that read like content, but aren't. Because, at the moment, you're basically waffling.-
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I don't get your point. I only pointed out that my opinion of DGB predated the wagon. I didn't say consistency was a town tell or anything. Both town and scum players can be consistent.
I was addressing the interpretation fishythefish seems to be pushing (that I expressed suspicion of DGB in order to be able to jump onto her wagon), which is invalidated by this.-
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I don't mind pops's justification for his CSL vote so much, even though I'm not a huge fan of policy lynches. The observation that there was no "obvscum" struck me as strange, though. There's plenty of people making cases. Heck, there's a bandwagon on me that people seem to like. By making these wagons out to be non-existent or weak, he's basically making the reasoning behind his vote out to be weaker than it is.-
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Well, to be honest, that post was more accurate for my old playing style. Some time has passed since I last played and I'm finding out that my new style is different. I haven't been going off gut reads as much in any of my games. I used to be more aggressive in following up on them, but now that seems kind of unhelpful. As for the caution, that has more to do with losing track of the game than anything else.-
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No.. that post was like three days after I re-joined. I only had my old playing style to go on.farside22 wrote:
So you lied about what you do as scum when you first answered or you answered it thinking of past games and nothing that is current?evilsnail wrote:Well, to be honest, that post was more accurate for my old playing style. Some time has passed since I last played and I'm finding out that my new style is different. I haven't been going off gut reads as much in any of my games. I used to be more aggressive in following up on them, but now that seems kind of unhelpful. As for the caution, that has more to do with losing track of the game than anything else.-
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I guess I can understand that. I tend to overreact when voted myself (as I'm sure you can tell).Fishythefish wrote:When I said "easy targets", I was talking about suspicions voiced by people. Rightly or wrongly, lots of people have been suspicious of you. Yeah, the more I read about what I said the more fail it is. I was under the impression that multiple people had recently given slight suspicions against me - actually, it was only 2 (Oj and farside). I am indeed way sensitive to little pressure.
I guess, though I did immediately clarify my stance on ABR. There was only really a small window in which jumping on the wagon would have been believable.Fishythefish wrote:The stance that you have a mild scum tell but have trouble reading someone is the perfect stance for scum wondering whether to hop on a wagon. The fact that you were consistent in this stance doesn't change that. For ABR, you fossed him over DGB's claim, and then in your next post said the case wasn't otherwise that strong. Yes, you commented on the case, and I'm not saying those comments are unbelievable. But after them, you were in a good position to go either way on ABR. I wasn't making points about you jumping on wagons. I was making points about you loitering around wagons, looking like you could jump on or sidle away at any moment.
Sure, you can accuse me of wagon-loitering, or whatever you want to call it, but the ultimate purpose of that is to jump on wagons. The fact that I've barely done that at all should tell you that there is no such strategy behind my posts. It's the actual wagonning that is supposed to make the behaviour scummy, not the behaviour in itself.
Well, I see how you can get the impression from my overall play. As I've said, I'm not particularly proud of my activity level so far and this is something I'm trying to remedy. But my point is that if you look at the posts themselves, I don't think you see someone trying to fake content. The impression my play might give overall is definitely not what I intended anyway.Fishythefish wrote:For your last sentence - my case on you is very much based on your overall play. I think that on first glance, you don't give the impression of a lurker, but if you look harder at your posts there isn't generally much there. There's no point me quoting examples of places you didn't scumhunt - I don't find your individual posts particularly scummy - I suggest people read your iso to see if they agree with me (and I suggest you read it to see whether you think my suspicions are plausible).-
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You know, I really dislike these kinds of posts. It's an easy way of stifling any opposition to your case. If pops responds, you can just treat it as more proof of your theory!Ellibereth wrote:
Scum with Evil ^^^popsofctown wrote:I said there wasn't obvscum because most of the many various cases that have been presented are crap.
The beauty of it is that it is total speculation, based on an assumption for which you have no real proof. And you can't be called on this, because no one else does either. And when the person you're wagonning turns up town, you can just act as if you never said it. Who's going to remember it tomorrow anyway?-
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I like this post, and not just because of the point about me. Scum-Gayle has no real reason to tie herself to three wagons that clearly. It could really come back to haunt her.Gayle wrote:Too bad Fishy and Evilsnail didn't use all that time they spent arguing to hunt far more obvious scum: "Lurk and Lie" CSL,"Wagon Hop" Pops, and "Respond to everything with a flurry of misleading arguments" Myko.
The people voting evilsnail for Elli's point are being ridiculous. Why do you guys keep going for this "scumslip" nonsense? Elli made a similar point about Jack, and look what happened. Please don't lynch over such a stupid reason.
Pops's response to Ojanen seems off. Considering that pops is pursuing a policy lynch on CSL and not making a case on anyone himself, dismissing all available cases out of hand is really unproductive. Also, I think Ojanen made some fair points about Rhinox's play. I read over pops's ISO and she hasn't contributed real cases in a long time (which I realise now some players have been pointing out for a while). I don't know how this measures up to pops's meta, but it is certainly not helping us.-
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Your response has nothing to do with what I said. I never said you should vote Rhinox. Just that it seems weird that you've been dismissing all of these cases without giving us anything better. I would understand if you felt you had a stronger case, but you don't.popsofctown wrote:omg ur right. lynching my strongest town read makes WAY more sense than a policy lynch.vote: Rhinox. except no,unvote.
Stringing up people as fast as humanly possible is the scum's idea of productive. Which is the root of why several people are suspicious of you.
That has nothing to do with stringing up people as fast as possible either. And I don't see how this is at the "root of why several people are suspicious of me." I'm being wagonned for a lack of activity/content, which is precisely the opposite.
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