Teleportation Mafia Universe ONE (MAFIA A WINS!)
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Sometimes if you want change, you have to be the one to start it. If you will change your avatar, I will change mine, and we will bring about a new era where people are willing to change their avatars.popsofctown wrote:if people ever removed avatars when i complained, it would happen.
not happening.
I've already got one picked out for you:
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Either way it is left up to the teleporter. If we want a person teleported, we just let the teleporter know and they'll do whatever they want. There is no reason to rig up some system to select the teleportee, because in the end it is up to the teleporter no matter what anyone else does.evilsnail wrote: The only real question, I think, is whether we direct the teleport or leave it up to teleporter.
The strategies have been presented. The dissents have been presented. Can we move on now?-
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I think that continuing discussing strategy is pointless. Seems to me that the teleporters will decide for themselves on what to do. You are right in that it is better than discussing nothing, but it feels like the game still hasn't begun because we haven't decided on a strategy. You say that it can be quite the springboard, but I think it will just lead to someone being accused as scum for liking one strategy over another. I'm sure someone with say that is fine, but I'd rather not go down that route.pops wrote:Do you think the strategy discussion is delaying scumhunting? It can be quite the springboard.
Strategy discussion is better than no discussion. What exactly are you advocating here gayle? Because you sure haven't presented an alternate direction for the town.
As for an alternative direction, I'd prefer if the strategy discussion hadn't interrupted the rvs.
I've never been scum, so I wouldn't know.myko wrote:what are your scumtells when you are scum?-
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Notice the word 'continuing'. My point was that the strategies have already been presented, people have already pointed out the problems with each strategy, now it is up to the teleporters to decide which one they want to use.pops wrote: Without reading the thread? They can see every point that is brought up and make a better decision
Notice the word 'interrupted'. No, it does not restrict people from participating in the RVS, but people aren't going to bother with the RVS when there is a strategy discussion going on.pops wrote: ......this is a joke right? This has to be a joke. As if the strategy discussion created a post restriction that cut off random vote posts anyway.
Slippery slope, fallacy, whatever. I just gave my opinion. I realize that there is no way I'm putting an end to the strategy discussion, and you are right that it will lead somewhere eventually, so I'll just be here hitting F5 until then.-
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Random voting would have at least lead somewhere.Raskol wrote:You would prefer maybe random voting? Jokes about avatars?
But the strategies haveRas wrote: Strategy discussion is necessary because what strategy we follow later, if any, will determine how likely it is that we'll reach our win conditions. For that reason, it's kinda important, you know?already been laid out. What good is it to keep discussing them? It doesn't matter whattowndecides. All that matters is what theteleporterdecides.
This is true. I used to whine about RVS too, until people started telling me to come up with an alternative. I honestly have no idea what else to do, which is why I said I was going to shut up and wait for the strategy discussion to go somewhere.Ras wrote:In any case, you don't seem to be trying very hard to bring up something different to talk about.-
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Kairyu wrote:@all (Both towns, so someone please quote): If we decide to go with fishy's plan, 5th Day will probably be the most important Day to have the confirmed townie, so I propose a P:T:T sequence for both towns. It means we essentially waste our first pull on the first Night so as to not narrow it down by much, but in all likelyhood D5 will be endgame or close to it, so a pull at that point may mean the difference between winning and losing (also, waiting any longer to use the first pull and we might not even get to USE our second).-
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NOpops wrote:Hay, Gayle, want to discuss the teleporting stuff?
My win condition is ending strategy discussion.pops wrote: I hear it has to do with your supposed win condition.
I've not been following the strategy discussion, so I don't know in relation to that. But in general, if you they claim early in the day, no one is going to bother attacking them and one avenue of finding scum is made useless.pops wrote:Should teleporter claim now, Gayle?-
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I missed these first two
I happen to find RVS very useful. It gets the game started, it gives you questions to ask, votes and bandwagons to question, etc. With the strategy discussion youpops wrote: @Gayle: Why the sam hill do you think people would ignore RVS for a strategy discussion? I'll give you a hint, it's not because RVS is useful.mightfind a basis on which to begin scum hunting (as is the case in universe 2), or you might finish the discussion and gain absolutely no insight as to who is scum (as is the case in this universe).
The point of RVS is to start discussion, and bring out some things to actually start pursuing. A random vote leads to discussion leads to a serious vote. Whereas with this strategy discussion, when it ends you end up with a situation where you have nothing to go on.farside22 wrote: Why is RVS important? Isn't it better to have some communication between players and judge players on what they said and vote for them based on that then RVS?
I wasn't saying that we should have never discussed strategy, I was arguing thatmyko wrote: While it is indeed not very usefull to find scum, since they can talk with it just as easily, it is important to think about the setup you are playing in. I hope we agree that it is important to find the best strategy for the town first, and then lynch?
1, we had already laid out the strategies
2, we had already laid out the flaws with each strategy
3, town's decision has no bearing on what the teleporter will do.
Now, I do realize that the strategy we have settled on wasn't proposed until sometime after I called for an end to the discussion.
Why is Flareonage looking scummy? I've had some games with him and this is nothing out of character for him or his fellow Onage Clan members.myko wrote: By post 147, Flareonage is seriously looking scummy
Ugh, I like how I've been accused of actively lurking twice when I haven't even had a chance to do so. I'm sorry I went to sleep last night and didn't participate in your strategy back and forth that lead to absolutely zero scum hunting.Fishy wrote:@Gayle: the strategy discussion has wound down, and people have reads and stuff like that. Any comments on the game, now your easy excuse for active lurking has gone?
What am I supposed comment on? The strategy discussion? 'Cause aside from a question from Myko and attacks on myself, that is all that has happened. I don't find farside22's or DGB's replies to Myko's question scummy at all. I would probably have given the same type of answer. I think pop's attack on Flareonage was silly, but that is probably because I've played games with Flareonage before.
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Where has it lead in relation to scum hunting? I don't mean to say that it lead nowhere in deciding on a strategy that the teleporter may or may not even follow.farside22 wrote:What? How the planet of fark to you come to the conclusion that it lead no where?
'kay, if you say so. It doesn't seem like you are pursuing anything that came out of the strategy discussion to me.farside22 wrote:Really? I happen to be using the info greatly to scum hunt I see others posting points on what others say (points to myko) and yet we havent' gone anywhere.
To clarify, I'm not saying that the game as gone absolutely nowhere. I'm saying that the strategy discussion lead nowhere in relation to scumhunting.-
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Yes, as I have already stated, I realize this.popsofctown wrote:And the eventual strategy we got came after both you and flareon called for discussion to cease.
Do you expect me to say "Yes, I realize the error of my ways!"? I am much to stubborn for that. I maintain that town has not benefited in any way in regards to scum hunting by the strategy discussion. I maintain that the teleporter will do what they please regardless of what strategy town decides to follow. I don't think I was wrong for wanting an end to the strategy discussion one bit.pops wrote:Do you see how you might look bad right now?-
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No I didn't.popsofctown wrote:You're not even making sense anymore. You conceded we needed that time to make a better strategy.
Maybe. Maybe not. I'm not saying the teleporter's behavior is " erratic, unalterable wild". I'm saying that the decision is up to the teleporter in the end.pops wrote:[The teleporter will follow our strategy]-
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Yesterday I meant to post a message saying I would be busy, but apparently it didn't post. You all are to blame because you haven't been using your hard earned money to buy mith some ramsticks. I'll be back later tonight to make a proper post.
Some quick comments though:
-The whole argument about EK claiming town is ridiculous. That is, it is not scummy in the least.
-Myko's vote seems opportunistic.
-Disagree about pops being 'so towny in hurts'
Also, zoraster has been accused of being a disappointing mod and his posts are apparently intrusions. Loving it. Keep up the abuse guys!-
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I think I've mentioned this before, but my mother is a psychic (or so she claims) and she says that if you flip a coin and a side comes up, pops is scum.
VOTE:popsofctown
Some other thoughts:
-I don't understand what the problem is with EK. The thing about her claiming town is utterly ridiculous. I'm much too lazy to read meta, but is her playstyle so different as to warrant a lynch? I'll take a look at those on her bandwagon later.
-I need to re-read Raskol, but I think some good points have been brought up against him.
-Myko's "I agree!"+vote. This is always suspicious. Myko did a little questioning of Raskol earlier, but didn't vote him until the bandwagon picked up some steam.
@Albert: What was your reason for voting EK?
@Pops: It seems alot of people don't even understand the strategy. BRB, faxing you a picture of myself with an irritatingly smug look on my face.-
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Excuse me, why the fuck does myko's "scumslip" make Plum town? Also, I disagree that Myko's slip was "SCUMTELL OF THE CENTURY", though some of the comments in his follow up posts are a bit more suspect. CSL, might I ask if his slip is your sole reason for voting him?
@Albert: In another game I have been accused of trying to imitate you and failing at it horribly. This accusation has raised such ire in me that I have no choice but to hate you bitterly and shout vulgarities at my screen every time I see your name. Do not be alarmed if you receive threatening messages in your inbox. Thanks for understanding.
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It is difficult keeping up with you guys. Joining a large theme game with most players entirely more experienced than me and withtwouniverses probably wasn't the brightest idea. But let me see if I understand the cases:
Raskol is scum because he questioned me but did not vote for me.
DGB is scum because her play and votes are erratic, and she constantly refers to other players as town.
CSL is scum because he hasn't been around, appeared suddenly to vote, and then quickly unvoted.
EK is scum because ... I don't know, why is EK scum?
Myko is scum because he said "town" instead of "scum" and made a suggestion of using teleports to keep the peace.
ABR is scum because he hasn't really done anything at all.
I don't know what to think about DGB. Myko is constantly kicking himself in the mouth and I can't decide whether that is scummy or not. I would probably be willing to vote ABR, but really I think he can be given a bit more time to start playing seriously. Until then...
pops wrote:I think CSL might require a policy lynch. He posts very briefly for the entirety of any games he plays.
...I think I'll stick with the tried and true scumtells.pops wrote:Though I'm up for a CSL policy lynch when anyone else is.
@DGB: You said scum is "less likely to take a stance and more likely to spread the suspicion thinly". Is Farside's last post guilty of this?
Also, Rhinox, I am deeply offended that of all those quotes in your post, mine was the only one you declined to attach a name to. As is common knowledge, this is a very terrible and dire insult, and I assure you that I will have my vengeance some day soon. I would sleep with the lights on if I were you.-
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@Farside:Gayle wrote:I happen to find RVS very useful. It gets the game started, it gives you questions to ask, votes and bandwagons to question, etc.
This is not really a contradiction. In my earlier games I did not like RVS, because I felt it led to mislynches. I would complain, and then the other players would tell me to come with an alternative. I didn't have an alternative (sometimes I suggested RQS, but could never come up with questions), so I stopped whining about it. After a few more games, I now think that RVS is the best way to start the game.Gayle wrote:This is true. I used to whine about RVS too, until people started telling me to come up with an alternative. I honestly have no idea what else to do, which is why I said I was going to shut up and wait for the strategy discussion to go somewhere.
Also, I wasn't saying I have no idea how to carry on after a RVS. I was saying that I didn't know how to carry onin placeof a RVS.-
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Taking a look at the DGB Wagon.
-Myko votes DGB for "fabricating evidence", after DGB attacks him.
-ABR votes DGB for meta reasons and then comes up with more reasons later.
-pops votes DGB for meta, after saying he prefers an Elvis lynch.
I can understand farside and fishy's votes, but not these three.
As annoying as DGB's play might be, I think she is town, as evidenced by her outright refusal to change the way she plays no matter how scummy anyone might find it.
I think we should lynch pops or abr. Pops because of this and this, and ABR because he is not doing anything but tunneling DGB. I have consulted my magic eight ball, and it confirms that I am right on both counts.-
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You have a lot of posts, yes. But not a lot of useful content. You will comment on a case, you will elaborate on a point (whether or not the point is yours), you will respond to questions, you will argue over what is or is not a scumtell, but you've not actually added anything. Of all the people you voted, you have onlypops wrote:"not offering much in convo" is just wrong. I've posted plenty of content in this game.reallyattacked DGB and EK. I would argue that this is because everyone else was attacking them as well. You vote goes from DGB to EK to DGB as town's focus changes. Same with your vote on me. Whenever there is a bandwagon, you are on it.
Hopping Wagons + Advocating A Policy Lynch + Adding Little = Scum-
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@DGB: You are still suspecting evilsnail and fishy just because they answered a question? That is enough to put them down there with Myko and ABR? Why are they worse than pops? And speaking of pops, he is up there with Flareonage, Plum, and CSL who are there essentially for lurking. He is no worse than a lurker? How doeswhenhe suggested CSL's lynch change the fact that he called for the policy lynch of a replacement because ofmeta?-
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That is a bit disingenuous. No one said that CSL's lynch would be only a policy lynch. The policy lynch came from the fact that pops specifically said he wanted to policy lynch CSL.Rhinox wrote:Why is everyone talking about CSL like his lynch would be a pure policy lynch? I've never played a mafia game with CSL before, but in this games his few actions have seemed scummy. There's nothing policy about his hypo lynch except the policy of lynching scum.-
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@DGB:Every time you post that list it becomes more ridiculous. Now Plum is scum because of meta you don't even bother to verify?
I still think you are town and it frustrates me because it seems like you are annoying people into voting you.
@ABR: I think you can spare the time to answer questions in between your tunneling sessions. I'm sure you've given reasons before, but can you sum up for me why DGB is absolutely 100% union certified scum?-
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@pops:ABR is scum if none ofyourtargets flip scum?
Also, changing my vote to
Vote: Albert B. Rampage
He is accusing DGB of a lack of scumhunting, when he is just as guilty. Worse, attacking her has been the only thing he has done the entire game. Adding to that, he now refuses to answer questions because "priority goes to lynching scum". Myko was right. One of them has got to go. I'd wager ABR is the scum.-
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Let's fix that sentence then:Albert B. Rampage wrote:
This is wrong. She accused me first, and then I pointed out that she was doing the same thing. You got your chronology misplaced, mister.Gayle wrote:He is accusing DGB of a lack of scumhunting, when he is just as guilty.
ABR isn't scumhunting.
Except by refusing to scum hunt you could be missingABR wrote:I don't want to scumhunt when I've already found the head scum.actualscum. You've been tunneling DGB so much that I doubt you've actually given much consideration to anyone else.-
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So essentially, DGB is scum and anyone who disagrees is scum.ABR wrote:That's exactly what I'm saying. There is an organized force working against this town to stop us from lynching their headmaster DGB.
This is the summary you were refering to, correct?
Alot of those reasons seem rather speculative. They are not so solid that DGBABR wrote:-her touchiness in this game that is inexistant when she is town
-her attacking whoever is convenient for her
-her false representations
-lack of any real content or scumhunting, but then attacks other players for things she isn't doing
-attacking players who she thinks have something personal against her to "preemptive" them so to speak
-making the same bullshit accusations that she does as scummustbe scum and anyone who doesn't see that her scumbuddies.
@EK:Your last post about guaranteeing town based on CSL's flip is completely and utterly ridiculous.-
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Albert B. Rampage wrote:This in NO WAY represents my views. This seems to be more like something DGB would cook up as a stratagem to defend herself.
-DGB is scum
-You can't get DGB lynched, because "There is an organized force working against this town to stop us from lynching their headmaster DGB".
-Therefore, those working against you are scum
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A vote count since the mod is so terribly overworked.
If you have a problem with my level of activity, including vote counts, don't hesitate to PM me, but avoid in-thread sarcasm. For what it's worth, my previous vote count had come less than six hours before Rhinox made his post.
My instructor informs me that math is not my strongest subject, so this may not be accurate.My Count wrote:CSL (2) - OJ EK
DGB (6) - Myko ABR pops fishy Plum Rhinox
evilsnail (2) - CSL Raskol
ABR (2) - Gayle DGB
Pops (2) - Farside Hoopla
Raskol (1) - evilsnail-
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Wasn't a quote.Pops wrote:Why are you italicizing a word that word that wasn't in my post? this is a blatant misrep, what the milk truck
You are saying that if ABR's targets, which are mostly the same as yours, flip town then he is suspect. What about you?Pops wrote:ABR is willing to hit a lot of the same targets as me, which is convenient for now. But if none of these targets flip scum, his level of contribution is a problem like people have said
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Fix'd that for you.elvis_knits wrote:Now the thread title says Daythanks to your valorous efforts. You are free to scumhunt.
My suspects remain the same: CSL & Pops.
CSL's reason for voting ABR:
Pops' reason for voting ABR:CSL wrote:Well, it seems that ABR is going to get lynched.
AlsoPops wrote:ABR is closer to L-0, and we need to make a lynch here.DGB L-2 wrote:DrippingGoofball ( 6 ) mykonian Albert B. Rampagepopsofctownfishythefish plum RhinoxVote: popsofctown
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The most suspect votes on the wagon were Pops, CSL, Myko, Fishy. These four pretty much voted ABR for no reason other than he was already going down. All of them except CSL were also on the DGB wagon. All of them also made other questionable votes day 1 (Fishy to a lesser extent).
My thoughts on who is scum, from most likely to least: Pops > CSL > Myko > Fishy.
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